RE: podcast downloading from BlindCoolTech.

[David Griffith]

I think BCT may have come back to life as I saw a podcast on Windows 8 and
WE had been posted.

David Griffith

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Sent: 14 August 2012 18:34
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Subject: Re: podcast downloading from BlindCoolTech.

annnd now that I think BCT has officially pod faded I don't think they will
correct that. I'm actually surprised that they did not do any testing on
this as they have been around for ever and a year.

On Aug 13, 2012, at 14:21, Esther  wrote:

> Hi Arthur and Jim,
> 
> I want to amend a statement I made in my previous post about being able to
route your mouse cursor to your VoiceOver cursor and using Contol-click to
bring up the context menu if my previous instructions with the key advice of
first interacting on the link don't work for you.  If those instructions
don't work, then routing your mouse cursor won't take you to the correct
location to Control-click.  I just did some testing with VO-F5-F5 to check
where the mouse cursor is located in pixels on the screen before and after
interacting with the podcast link.  If you don't interact with the link
before you route your mouse cursor to your VO cursor, you're centered on the
position the link would have if it occupied the full width of the web page
-- not the actual x center of the link. That's why nothing works if you
don't first interact; the HTML coding on the BCT web page is sending your
screen reader to the wrong location. I can go through every podcast link on
the BCT web page, r
 ou
> te my mouse cursor to my VO cursor, and check the mouse cursor position
with VO-F5-F5, and they'll all have the same x positions in the middle of
the browser screen.  I'll add that this is nowhere near the x pixel values
for the actual link, that you get if you first interact with the link before
trying to bring up a context menu, force download with Option-Return, or
check the position of the mouse cursor after routing mouse cursor to
VoiceOver cursor.
> 
> Just wanted to provide information that this really is bad coding on BCT
home page as the source of your problems. Just keep doing extra interacting
before you try the regular commands.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> 
> On Aug 13, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Esther  wrote:
>> If neither of the methods I've outlined works for you, you can always
route your mouse cursor to your VoiceOver cursor (VO-Commanf-F5), and use
Control-Click, where you press the Control key at the same time as you click
with your mouse or trackpad.  This is the Mac equivalent of a "right mouse
click" to bring up the contextual menu.
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Re: podcast downloading from BlindCoolTech.

[Sarah Alawami]

annnd now that I think BCT has officially pod faded I don't think they will 
correct that. I'm actually surprised that they did not do any testing on this 
as they have been around for ever and a year.

On Aug 13, 2012, at 14:21, Esther  wrote:

> Hi Arthur and Jim,
> 
> I want to amend a statement I made in my previous post about being able to 
> route your mouse cursor to your VoiceOver cursor and using Contol-click to 
> bring up the context menu if my previous instructions with the key advice of 
> first interacting on the link don't work for you.  If those instructions 
> don't work, then routing your mouse cursor won't take you to the correct 
> location to Control-click.  I just did some testing with VO-F5-F5 to check 
> where the mouse cursor is located in pixels on the screen before and after 
> interacting with the podcast link.  If you don't interact with the link 
> before you route your mouse cursor to your VO cursor, you're centered on the 
> position the link would have if it occupied the full width of the web page -- 
> not the actual x center of the link. That's why nothing works if you don't 
> first interact; the HTML coding on the BCT web page is sending your screen 
> reader to the wrong location. I can go through every podcast link on the BCT 
> web page, r
 ou
> te my mouse cursor to my VO cursor, and check the mouse cursor position with 
> VO-F5-F5, and they'll all have the same x positions in the middle of the 
> browser screen.  I'll add that this is nowhere near the x pixel values for 
> the actual link, that you get if you first interact with the link before 
> trying to bring up a context menu, force download with Option-Return, or 
> check the position of the mouse cursor after routing mouse cursor to 
> VoiceOver cursor.
> 
> Just wanted to provide information that this really is bad coding on BCT home 
> page as the source of your problems. Just keep doing extra interacting before 
> you try the regular commands.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> 
> On Aug 13, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Esther  wrote:
>> If neither of the methods I've outlined works for you, you can always route 
>> your mouse cursor to your VoiceOver cursor (VO-Commanf-F5), and use 
>> Control-Click, where you press the Control key at the same time as you click 
>> with your mouse or trackpad.  This is the Mac equivalent of a "right mouse 
>> click" to bring up the contextual menu.
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Re: podcast downloading from BlindCoolTech.

[Esther]

Hi Arthur and Jim,

I want to amend a statement I made in my previous post about being able to 
route your mouse cursor to your VoiceOver cursor and using Contol-click to 
bring up the context menu if my previous instructions with the key advice of 
first interacting on the link don't work for you.  If those instructions don't 
work, then routing your mouse cursor won't take you to the correct location to 
Control-click.  I just did some testing with VO-F5-F5 to check where the mouse 
cursor is located in pixels on the screen before and after interacting with the 
podcast link.  If you don't interact with the link before you route your mouse 
cursor to your VO cursor, you're centered on the position the link would have 
if it occupied the full width of the web page -- not the actual x center of the 
link. That's why nothing works if you don't first interact; the HTML coding on 
the BCT web page is sending your screen reader to the wrong location. I can go 
through every podcast link on the BCT web page, rou
 te my mouse cursor to my VO cursor, and check the mouse cursor position with 
VO-F5-F5, and they'll all have the same x positions in the middle of the 
browser screen.  I'll add that this is nowhere near the x pixel values for the 
actual link, that you get if you first interact with the link before trying to 
bring up a context menu, force download with Option-Return, or check the 
position of the mouse cursor after routing mouse cursor to VoiceOver cursor.

Just wanted to provide information that this really is bad coding on BCT home 
page as the source of your problems. Just keep doing extra interacting before 
you try the regular commands.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther


On Aug 13, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Esther  wrote:
> If neither of the methods I've outlined works for you, you can always route 
> your mouse cursor to your VoiceOver cursor (VO-Commanf-F5), and use 
> Control-Click, where you press the Control key at the same time as you click 
> with your mouse or trackpad.  This is the Mac equivalent of a "right mouse 
> click" to bring up the contextual menu.
> 
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Re: podcast downloading from BlindCoolTech.

[Jim Noseworthy]

Hey Esther:

Thanks all over the place.

On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:55 
PM, Esther  wrote:

> Hello Arthur and Jim,
> 
> Unless things have changed, the key to being able to download podcasts from 
> the Blind Cool Tech web site is to make sure that after you have found the 
> link to the podcast you want, you first interact (VO-Shift-Down Arrow, or two 
> finger flick right if you're using TrackPad Commander).  Then use either 
> VO-Shift-M to bring up the contextual menu or press Option-Return to force 
> downloading. This quirk of having to do an extra level of interaction with 
> the link before you can get the normal response to the context menu or the 
> shortcut for forcing download of the linked file is peculiar to the HTML 
> coding of the Blind Cool Tech web site.  
> 
> The other way you get the file to download if it starts playing in your 
> Safari browser is to press Command-L to highlight the address in the address 
> bar and then press Option-Return.  That should have the same effect as 
> accessing the link you would normally get after interacting. (I haven't tried 
> this under Safari 6, but this is a Mac OS X feature, and not dependent on 
> VoiceOver).
> 
> If neither of the methods I've outlined works for you, you can always route 
> your mouse cursor to your VoiceOver cursor (VO-Commanf-F5), and use 
> Control-Click, where you press the Control key at the same time as you click 
> with your mouse or trackpad.  This is the Mac equivalent of a "right mouse 
> click" to bring up the contextual menu.
> 
> This quirk of the Blind Cool Tech web page links has been around for years.  
> I personally avoid using the web page, go to their podcast feed instead:
> http://www.blindcooltech.com/bct.xml
> 
> But that has only the last 40 episodes, I think. However, there's no need for 
> the extra interactions at the podcast feed site.
> 
> Just so you know the main Blind Cool Tech web site generates a lot of errors 
> when web validators are run on it.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
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Re: podcast downloading from BlindCoolTech.

[Esther]

Hello Arthur and Jim,

Unless things have changed, the key to being able to download podcasts from the 
Blind Cool Tech web site is to make sure that after you have found the link to 
the podcast you want, you first interact (VO-Shift-Down Arrow, or two finger 
flick right if you're using TrackPad Commander).  Then use either VO-Shift-M to 
bring up the contextual menu or press Option-Return to force downloading. This 
quirk of having to do an extra level of interaction with the link before you 
can get the normal response to the context menu or the shortcut for forcing 
download of the linked file is peculiar to the HTML coding of the Blind Cool 
Tech web site.  

The other way you get the file to download if it starts playing in your Safari 
browser is to press Command-L to highlight the address in the address bar and 
then press Option-Return.  That should have the same effect as accessing the 
link you would normally get after interacting. (I haven't tried this under 
Safari 6, but this is a Mac OS X feature, and not dependent on VoiceOver).

If neither of the methods I've outlined works for you, you can always route 
your mouse cursor to your VoiceOver cursor (VO-Commanf-F5), and use 
Control-Click, where you press the Control key at the same time as you click 
with your mouse or trackpad.  This is the Mac equivalent of a "right mouse 
click" to bring up the contextual menu.

This quirk of the Blind Cool Tech web page links has been around for years.  I 
personally avoid using the web page, go to their podcast feed instead:
http://www.blindcooltech.com/bct.xml

But that has only the last 40 episodes, I think. However, there's no need for 
the extra interactions at the podcast feed site.

Just so you know the main Blind Cool Tech web site generates a lot of errors 
when web validators are run on it.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther
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Re: podcast downloading from BlindCoolTech.

[Dane Trethowan]

Not much else for me to say then, I've tried the suggestion below on 2 Mac 
machines and works fine here.


On 14/08/2012, at 5:43 AM, Arthur Barney  wrote:

> Hi Sir,
> all of the suggestion that I received to-day none of them works.
> On 2012-08-13, at 3:17 PM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
> 
>> Find the heading of the Podcast you want by using command-option-ctrl-H and 
>> add the shift key to the sequence to move back through the headings.
>> 
>> When you find the heading you want, interact with it to see the link.
>> 
>> Press vo-shift-M to bring up the context menu and select the Download Linked 
>> File.
>> 
>> 

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Re: podcast downloading from BlindCoolTech.

[Arthur Barney]

Hi Sir,
all of the suggestion that I received to-day none of them works.
On 2012-08-13, at 3:17 PM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:

> Find the heading of the Podcast you want by using command-option-ctrl-H and 
> add the shift key to the sequence to move back through the headings.
> 
> When you find the heading you want, interact with it to see the link.
> 
> Press vo-shift-M to bring up the context menu and select the Download Linked 
> File.
> 
> 
> On 14/08/2012, at 2:42 AM, Jim Noseworthy 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Gang:
>> 
>> I am unable to download the MP3 files from BlindCoolTech. Any ideas?
>> 
>> Thanks all over the place gang.
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Re: podcast downloading from BlindCoolTech.

[Dane Trethowan]

Find the heading of the Podcast you want by using command-option-ctrl-H and add 
the shift key to the sequence to move back through the headings.

When you find the heading you want, interact with it to see the link.

Press vo-shift-M to bring up the context menu and select the Download Linked 
File.


On 14/08/2012, at 2:42 AM, Jim Noseworthy  
wrote:

> Hi Gang:
> 
> I am unable to download the MP3 files from BlindCoolTech. Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks all over the place gang.
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Re: podcast downloading from BlindCoolTech.

[Arthur Barney]

Hi Tom,
option + inter, doesn't work either
On 2012-08-13, at 1:52 PM, Thomas McMahan  wrote:

> But what about option and enter?  Or has now something changed with this 
> latest Safari where we can't do that?  Used to always be an apple keyboard 
> command combo that would tell safari to download regardless of voice over.  
> On Aug 13, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Arthur Barney  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Tom,
>> when you press inter, it begins to play.
>> On 2012-08-13, at 1:32 PM, Thomas McMahan  wrote:
>> 
>>> Option return/or enter didn't work?  
>>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Jim Noseworthy 
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Re: podcast downloading from BlindCoolTech.

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But what about option and enter?  Or has now something changed with this latest 
Safari where we can't do that?  Used to always be an apple keyboard command 
combo that would tell safari to download regardless of voice over.  
On Aug 13, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Arthur Barney  wrote:

> Hi Tom,
> when you press inter, it begins to play.
> On 2012-08-13, at 1:32 PM, Thomas McMahan  wrote:
> 
>> Option return/or enter didn't work?  
>> 
>> On Aug 13, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Jim Noseworthy 
>>  wrote:
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Re: podcast downloading from BlindCoolTech.

[Arthur Barney]

Hi Tom,
when you press inter, it begins to play.
On 2012-08-13, at 1:32 PM, Thomas McMahan  wrote:

> Option return/or enter didn't work?  
> 
> On Aug 13, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Jim Noseworthy 
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Re: podcast downloading from BlindCoolTech.

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Option return/or enter didn't work?  

On Aug 13, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Jim Noseworthy 
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