Re: voices on i devices was Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools; A Passionate Rant [Was "so wish apple had done this"]

[krystal watson]

i like alex he is so cool smiley 
krystal watson
krystalwat...@bluebottle.com



On 01/10/2012, at 1:50 AM, Travis Siegel  wrote:

> Alex eats a lot of memory and cpu power.  Because of this, it would not be 
> appropriate on Idevices, because they are low memory/low cpu products.  I'm 
> not talking about the 16/32GB they talk about when selling the devices, this 
> is storge, not usable program memory.  Alex is large,  because it's the most 
> human sounding voice, and as a result, it eats a lot of resources to get this 
> quality.  Lower quality means smaller memory footprint, thus no alex on 
> idevices.  Perhaps in future, it will be ported, when speech algorithms get 
> better, but for now, I wouldn't expect to see alex on iphone/ipad anytime 
> soon.
> Besides, the voices it already has are (imo) quite good, and they've been 
> optimized for device usage, and do a decent job.  I don't even use alex on my 
> pmac, because it eats too many resources I prefer to leave open for other 
> processes, but that's why apple provides different voices, everyone can 
> choose whichever voice works best for them.
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Re: voices on i devices was Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools; A Passionate Rant [Was "so wish apple had done this"]

[Travis Siegel]

Alex eats a lot of memory and cpu power.  Because of this, it would  
not be appropriate on Idevices, because they are low memory/low cpu  
products.  I'm not talking about the 16/32GB they talk about when  
selling the devices, this is storge, not usable program memory.  Alex  
is large,  because it's the most human sounding voice, and as a  
result, it eats a lot of resources to get this quality.  Lower  
quality means smaller memory footprint, thus no alex on idevices.   
Perhaps in future, it will be ported, when speech algorithms get  
better, but for now, I wouldn't expect to see alex on iphone/ipad  
anytime soon.
Besides, the voices it already has are (imo) quite good, and they've  
been optimized for device usage, and do a decent job.  I don't even  
use alex on my pmac, because it eats too many resources I prefer to  
leave open for other processes, but that's why apple provides  
different voices, everyone can choose whichever voice works best for  
them.


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RE: voices on i devices was Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools; A Passionate Rant [Was "so wish apple had done this"]

[Missy Hoppe]

I'd love an answer to this too!

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Subject: voices on i devices was Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools;A 
Passionate Rant [Was "so wish apple had done
this"]

hi every one why can't apple put alex on a i device krystal watson 
krystalwat...@bluebottle.com



On 30/09/2012, at 11:27 PM, Lyn & her faithful furry friends 
 wrote:

>> Well I personally don't agree about Carin, I really hate this voice, it 
>> really gets on my nerves. I much prefer Samantha
which I use on my IDevices as well as on the mac but of course, different 
people, different tastes which is fine of course.
As a non native English speaker, I tend to prefer American voices in general. 
My favorite of course is Alex I must admit and
I use Alex along with Samantha.
>>
>> Lyn, Canelle & Epi
>> On Sep 30, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Missy Hoppe  wrote:
>>
>>> I agree! Karen is the only listenable vocalizer voice, but she just sounds 
>>> so bored and sad. I've heard interviews with
Karen
>>> Jacobsen, though, and she's nothing like that. They should have tried to 
>>> capture a bit of her personality and livelyness
with
>>> the voice. If I ever get an Itoy, I will use Karen as much as it will let 
>>> me; don't know why, but I've always had a very
>>> strong dislike of the samantha voice, so I hope it will let me use Karen 
>>> for siri and stuff if I ever do get an I device.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
>>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Shaun Oliver
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:52 AM
>>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>>> Subject: Re: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools;A Passionate Rant 
>>> [Was "so wish apple had done this"]
>>>
>>> I've nothing against vocaliser voices, especially Karen's voice, as it's 
>>> the one I find most listenable. I would prefer,
>>> however, some more control over inflection and things like that. I find 
>>> Karen's voice to be somewhat flat in terms of
>>> intonation, and while it's a good voice, it doesn't do the lady herself any 
>>> justice.
>>>
>>> On 30/09/2012, at 10:09 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I Agree. Alex is probably the best TTS voice out there right now. I
>>>> have other voices installed on my macbook, but always go back to Alex.
>>>> I wish Apple would develop a female equivelent and do away with the
>>>> vocalizer stuff altogether, but until that happens, I'll always prefer 
>>>> Alex. It's a shame he can't be used on I-devices;
>>> with the processors they have now, I can't believe that isn't possible yet.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>>>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Shaun Oliver
>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:36 AM
>>>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>>>> Subject: Re: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools;A Passionate
>>>> Rant [Was "so wish apple had done this"]
>>>>
>>>> from my own personal experience, I've found that the Alex voice, seems
>>>> to have better inflection and is better able to read documents, whether 
>>>> online or otherwise.
>>>> I have it relatively slow as I do alot of reading and want to take in each 
>>>> bit as I read it.
>>>> you can even change the intonation which is rather nice, but, the 
>>>> vocaliser voices don't seem to have that
functionality.
>>>> As for Eloquents, I suspect Nuance would like it to simply go away.
>>>> While on platforms that shall not be named I find it responsive and
>>>> good for fast reading and the like, it's outdated technology and there's 
>>>> far better out there.
>>>> Just my thoughts on the matter.
>>>>
>>>> On 30/09/2012, at 9:58 PM, "Debbie April Yuille" 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Try using alex. That voice works great for me. When it changes pitch
>>>>> you can still understand it quite well.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think Voice over will ever start using Eloquence as it&#

voices on i devices was Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools; A Passionate Rant [Was "so wish apple had done this"]

[krystal watson]

hi every one why can't apple put alex on a i device 
krystal watson
krystalwat...@bluebottle.com



On 30/09/2012, at 11:27 PM, Lyn & her faithful furry friends 
 wrote:

>> Well I personally don't agree about Carin, I really hate this voice, it 
>> really gets on my nerves. I much prefer Samantha which I use on my IDevices 
>> as well as on the mac but of course, different people, different tastes 
>> which is fine of course. As a non native English speaker, I tend to prefer 
>> American voices in general. My favorite of course is Alex I must admit and I 
>> use Alex along with Samantha.
>> 
>> Lyn, Canelle & Epi
>> On Sep 30, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Missy Hoppe  wrote:
>> 
>>> I agree! Karen is the only listenable vocalizer voice, but she just sounds 
>>> so bored and sad. I've heard interviews with Karen
>>> Jacobsen, though, and she's nothing like that. They should have tried to 
>>> capture a bit of her personality and livelyness with
>>> the voice. If I ever get an Itoy, I will use Karen as much as it will let 
>>> me; don't know why, but I've always had a very
>>> strong dislike of the samantha voice, so I hope it will let me use Karen 
>>> for siri and stuff if I ever do get an I device.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
>>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Shaun Oliver
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:52 AM
>>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>>> Subject: Re: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools;A Passionate Rant 
>>> [Was "so wish apple had done this"]
>>> 
>>> I've nothing against vocaliser voices, especially Karen's voice, as it's 
>>> the one I find most listenable. I would prefer,
>>> however, some more control over inflection and things like that. I find 
>>> Karen's voice to be somewhat flat in terms of
>>> intonation, and while it's a good voice, it doesn't do the lady herself any 
>>> justice.
>>> 
>>> On 30/09/2012, at 10:09 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:
>>> 
 I Agree. Alex is probably the best TTS voice out there right now. I
 have other voices installed on my macbook, but always go back to Alex.
 I wish Apple would develop a female equivelent and do away with the
 vocalizer stuff altogether, but until that happens, I'll always prefer 
 Alex. It's a shame he can't be used on I-devices;
>>> with the processors they have now, I can't believe that isn't possible yet.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Shaun Oliver
 Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:36 AM
 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools;A Passionate
 Rant [Was "so wish apple had done this"]
 
 from my own personal experience, I've found that the Alex voice, seems
 to have better inflection and is better able to read documents, whether 
 online or otherwise.
 I have it relatively slow as I do alot of reading and want to take in each 
 bit as I read it.
 you can even change the intonation which is rather nice, but, the 
 vocaliser voices don't seem to have that functionality.
 As for Eloquents, I suspect Nuance would like it to simply go away.
 While on platforms that shall not be named I find it responsive and
 good for fast reading and the like, it's outdated technology and there's 
 far better out there.
 Just my thoughts on the matter.
 
 On 30/09/2012, at 9:58 PM, "Debbie April Yuille" 
  wrote:
 
> Try using alex. That voice works great for me. When it changes pitch
> you can still understand it quite well.
> 
> I don't think Voice over will ever start using Eloquence as it's not
> in development anymore. Maybe the vocalisor pitch problem wil be
> corrected in the future. Then Vocaliser will be really good.
> 
> Debbie
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of william lomas
> Sent: Sunday, 30 September 2012 10:10 PM
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools; A Passionate
> Rant [Was "so wish apple had done this"]
> 
> just wish the HQ voices didn't keep changing pitch. they are unusable
> really. not saying ungrateful, just that the web to me seems clunky
> when hiding elements for us would make it a smoother experience
> 
> On 30 Sep 2012, at 11:15, Chris  wrote:
> 
>> I am greatful for all this as well.
>> 
>> On 30/09/2012 07:03, Lyn & her faithful furry friends wrote:
 I whole-heartedly agree with your post Lynne..couldn't have said
 it
> better.
 all I have to say is thank you Apple for your commitment to making
 your
> products accessible to everyone regardless of whether they are
> disabled or not. I have bee