Re: New Perl-Installation on new OS X
On 09.06.2011 05:38, Sherm Pendley wrote: I'm probably over-cautious, but I never migrate - I always format and make a clean install, then do a clean install of all my apps. I back up my home directory, and copy it over, which preserves all my personal preferences and such. sherm-- Sherm, I would like to keep now my installation, as it is. If possible. Or I would compile perl-5.14.0 under /usr/local But perhaps this list could help me, to get @INC and $PERL5LIB clean of /sw ... How is it possible, that I have $PERL5LIB set to %ENV: PERL5LIB=/sw/lib/perl5:/sw/lib/perl5/darwin I only see two files: ~/.profile and ~/.tcshrc in the first file I only have one line: test -r /sw/bin/init.sh . /sw/bin/init.sh in .tcshrc is longer: *** setenv LC_ALL C setenv LANG en_GB.UTF-8 # export LC_MESSAGES=CHow to set this var? # export ARCHFLAGS=-arch i386 -arch x86_64 set complete=enhance set addsuffix set autoexpand set histdup=erase set autolist set autocorrect set backslash_quote set correct=cmd set dspmbyte=utf8 unset histlit set symlinks=ignore unset recexact bindkey -k up history-search-backward bindkey -k down history-search-forward alias ls ls -sGF alias rm rm -i alias srm srm -i alias mv mv -i alias twics cd ~/Documents/tschessfeils_new/twics_new alias mysql /usr/local/mysql/bin/mysql alias mysqladmin /usr/local/mysql/bin/mysqladmin set path = (/usr/local/mysql/bin $path) set path = (/usr/local/bin $path) set path = (/sw/include $path) set path = (/usr/local/sbin $path) alias files ls -lF \*/..namedfork/data \*/..namedfork/rsrc test -r /sw/bin/init.csh source /sw/bin/init.csh *** To export the right PERL5LIB, can I add the following line to ~/.tcshrc set PERL5LIB = (/System/Library/Perl/5.10.0:/Library/Perl/5.10.0) ? Syntax seems alright, but I have still the /sw path at the beginning: %ENV: PERL5LIB=/sw/lib/perl5:/sw/lib/perl5/darwin:/System/Library/Perl/5.10.0:/Library/Perl/5.10.0 And in @INC too: @INC: /sw/lib/perl5/5.10.0/darwin-thread-multi-2level /sw/lib/perl5/5.10.0 /sw/lib/perl5/darwin-thread-multi-2level /sw/lib/perl5 /sw/lib/perl5/darwin /System/Library/Perl/5.10.0/darwin-thread-multi-2level /System/Library/Perl/5.10.0 /Library/Perl/5.10.0/darwin-thread-multi-2level /Library/Perl/5.10.0 /Library/Perl/Updates/5.10.0/darwin-thread-multi-2level /Library/Perl/Updates/5.10.0 /System/Library/Perl/5.10.0/darwin-thread-multi-2level /System/Library/Perl/5.10.0 /Library/Perl/5.10.0/darwin-thread-multi-2level /Library/Perl/5.10.0 /Network/Library/Perl/5.10.0/darwin-thread-multi-2level /Network/Library/Perl/5.10.0 /Network/Library/Perl /System/Library/Perl/Extras/5.10.0/darwin-thread-multi-2level /System/Library/Perl/Extras/5.10.0 Sorry for this long email. marek
Re: New Perl-Installation on new OS X
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 6:43 AM, Marek Stepanek marekstepa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: But perhaps this list could help me, to get @INC and $PERL5LIB clean of /sw ... How is it possible, that I have $PERL5LIB set to %ENV: PERL5LIB=/sw/lib/perl5:/sw/lib/perl5/darwin I only see two files: ~/.profile and ~/.tcshrc PERL5LIB can be set in either one; which one is executed depends on what shell you're using. The current default shell is Bash, which reads .profile - at one point in ancient history, the default was Tcsh, which reads .tcshrc. in the first file I only have one line: test -r /sw/bin/init.sh . /sw/bin/init.sh If you haven't changed your default shell, that's the culprit. It executes Fink's init.sh script, which exports the PERL5LIB environment variable. Again, this behavior goes back a while - they used to think it was a good idea for the system Perl to be able to see modules that Fink had installed under /sw/lib. I haven't used Fink in a while - I switched to MacPorts - but I *thought* they stopped doing that after a few Mac OS X releases, each with a new version of Perl that disagreed with those modules, showed them how problematic that was. If you've been migrating for a while, that line in .profile could be a remnant from an old install. At any rate, delete (# or comment) that line, exit from the shell session and start a new one, and that should clear up your PERL5LIB variable. To export the right PERL5LIB, can I add the following line to ~/.tcshrc set PERL5LIB = (/System/Library/Perl/5.10.0:/Library/Perl/5.10.0) That wouldn't accomplish anything - PERL5LIB just adds to the default paths, and the above are already in the default. Syntax seems alright, but I have still the /sw path at the beginning: Did you log out of the current shell session, and back in? These startup files are only processed when you start a new shell session, not every time they're changed. sherm-- -- Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net
Re: New Perl-Installation on new OS X
--As of June 8, 2011 5:39:57 PM -0400, Sherm Pendley is alleged to have said: Blaming other people for your ignorance is a habit with you, isn't it? Yes, I'm responsible for who *I* send emails to. I'm not responsible for who the list sends emails to. A correctly-configured list will look at the To: and CC: headers of any mail it receives, and won't send an additional copy to anyone who's already received one. --As for the rest, it is mine. I'd argue that's a broken list, as it doesn't send me mail with the list headers. There are major arguments over the technically correct solution. Let's not get into them here. Suffice it to say, if someone asks you to not CC them when you send to the list, it's polite not to. (At least for that discussion.) Daniel T. Staal --- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. ---
Re: New Perl-Installation on new OS X
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Daniel Staal dst...@usa.net wrote: Suffice it to say, if someone asks you to not CC them when you send to the list, it's polite not to. (At least for that discussion.) In general, I'd agree - but I also think it's appropriate to consider the tone reason for the request. By the time John got around to that, I had already debunked his theory about Fink, and asked him to stop the off-topic digressions about overpriced Mac hardware. I suspect he was just upset about that, and looking for any excuse to complain about something. sherm-- -- Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net
Re: New Perl-Installation on new OS X
Thank you Sherm! This is a step in the right direction. But my cpanplus Perl is still broken, with messages like: Unable to create a new distribution object for 'Archive::Tar', although I have no /sw in the %ENV or @INC any more. % perl -V even does not show a %ENV at all. This is certainly not right, isn't it? In the @INC is now: @INC: /Library/Perl/Updates/5.10.0/darwin-thread-multi-2level /Library/Perl/Updates/5.10.0 /System/Library/Perl/5.10.0/darwin-thread-multi-2level /System/Library/Perl/5.10.0 /Library/Perl/5.10.0/darwin-thread-multi-2level /Library/Perl/5.10.0 /Network/Library/Perl/5.10.0/darwin-thread-multi-2level /Network/Library/Perl/5.10.0 /Network/Library/Perl /System/Library/Perl/Extras/5.10.0/darwin-thread-multi-2level /System/Library/Perl/Extras/5.10.0 the .profile is not changing anything, whether I remove it or not. And the X11 terminal is not working any more, not finding the path. If I put back the line test -r /sw/bin/init.csh source /sw/bin/init.csh into my ~/.tchrc the X11-terminal (Fink) is working again. But I have back in my % perl -V %ENV: PERL5LIB=/sw/lib/perl5:/sw/lib/perl5/darwin:/System/Library/Perl/5.10.0:/Library/Perl/5.10.0 Probably I will leave the apple Perl it as it is, and make a new install of perl-5.14.0 under /usr/local Thank you again marek
Re: New Perl-Installation on new OS X
I recently installed Fink to see if it had pdffonts. This conversation has scared me; I have uninstalled Fink. I certainly don't want to start looking for Perl modules in /sw. Now I see no PERL5LIB in %ENV. I guess Perl is looking in /System/Library/Perl/5.10.0 /Library/Perl/5.10.0 /System/Library/Perl/Extras/5.10.0 but I really don't know. Regards, Vic On Jun 9, 2011, at 7:08 AM, Sherm Pendley wrote: On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 6:43 AM, Marek Stepanek marekstepa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: But perhaps this list could help me, to get @INC and $PERL5LIB clean of /sw ... How is it possible, that I have $PERL5LIB set to %ENV: PERL5LIB=/sw/lib/perl5:/sw/lib/perl5/darwin I only see two files: ~/.profile and ~/.tcshrc PERL5LIB can be set in either one; which one is executed depends on what shell you're using. The current default shell is Bash, which reads .profile - at one point in ancient history, the default was Tcsh, which reads .tcshrc. in the first file I only have one line: test -r /sw/bin/init.sh . /sw/bin/init.sh If you haven't changed your default shell, that's the culprit. It executes Fink's init.sh script, which exports the PERL5LIB environment variable. Again, this behavior goes back a while - they used to think it was a good idea for the system Perl to be able to see modules that Fink had installed under /sw/lib. I haven't used Fink in a while - I switched to MacPorts - but I *thought* they stopped doing that after a few Mac OS X releases, each with a new version of Perl that disagreed with those modules, showed them how problematic that was. If you've been migrating for a while, that line in .profile could be a remnant from an old install. At any rate, delete (# or comment) that line, exit from the shell session and start a new one, and that should clear up your PERL5LIB variable. To export the right PERL5LIB, can I add the following line to ~/.tcshrc set PERL5LIB = (/System/Library/Perl/5.10.0:/Library/Perl/5.10.0) That wouldn't accomplish anything - PERL5LIB just adds to the default paths, and the above are already in the default. Syntax seems alright, but I have still the /sw path at the beginning: Did you log out of the current shell session, and back in? These startup files are only processed when you start a new shell session, not every time they're changed. sherm-- -- Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net
Re: New Perl-Installation on new OS X
At 16:14 +0100 09/06/2011, Marek Stepanek wrote: Probably I will leave the apple Perl it as it is, and make a new install of perl-5.14.0 under /usr/local That is what I do, so that the two installations are independent. I configure simply like this: cd downloaded_directory ./Configure -de -Dperladmin=em...@addr.com -Dcf_email=em...@addr.com make make test sudo make install Others may have more elaborate configuration suggestions but this works fine for me. If I want to use the latest perl I change the shebang accordingly. One thing to remember, of course, is that to add modules with cpan to 5.14.0 so configured, rather than to Apple's installation, you need to cd /usr/local/bin; sudo ./cpan JD
Re: New Perl-Installation on new OS X
Good morning, On 9/06/11 at 4:40 PM +0100, John Delacour j...@bd8.com wrote: One thing to remember, of course, is that to add modules with cpan to 5.14.0 so configured, rather than to Apple's installation, you need to cd /usr/local/bin; sudo ./cpan I haven't followed all of this thread (it was digressing there for a while). Would perlbrew be a solution for the OP. I've only been using it a short while but it makes installing and using a custom perl very simple. http://search.cpan.org/perldoc?perlbrew Eg: $ perlbrew install perl-5.14.0 $ perlbrew switch perl-5.14.0 $ cpan Works a treat for me. Charlie -- Ꮚ Charlie Garrison ♊ garri...@zeta.org.au O ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org 〠 http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
Re: New Perl-Installation on new OS X
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Marek Stepanek marekstepa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Thank you Sherm! This is a step in the right direction. But my cpanplus Perl is still broken, with messages like: Unable to create a new distribution object for 'Archive::Tar', although I have no /sw in the %ENV or @INC any more. To be honest, I wouldn't have expected removing the /sw directories from @INC to fix anything. That's why I told John that worrying about Fink was pointless - there was nothing in your original report that suggested it might have been the source of the problem. Have you checked permissions on ~/.cpan? The error message sounds like it can't download and/or unpack the Archive::Tar package. If you're not running the CPAN shell as root (and you shouldn't be!), try making sure that the .cpan directory and everything under it is owned and writable by your user: cd ~ sudo chown -R your_username .cpan chmod -R g+w .cpan You need sudo for the chown because, if anything is owned by someone else, you'll need root authority to change its ownership. even does not show a %ENV at all. This is certainly not right, isn't it? That doesn't mean you have no environment variables at all, just none that Perl cares about. (If you recall, it was only showing PERL5LIB before, even though you probably had a lot more than that.) sherm-- -- Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net
Re: New Perl-Installation on new OS X
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Vic Norton v...@norton.name wrote: I recently installed Fink to see if it had pdffonts. This conversation has scared me; I have uninstalled Fink. I certainly don't want to start looking for Perl modules in /sw. Fear is the mind-killer. :-) Understanding what Fink does, and does NOT do, is key here. It doesn't damage or modify your system Perl in any way. All it does is add a single environment variable that Perl (any Perl, not just Apple's) looks for when it starts up. If you want the rest of Fink, but don't want its changes to PERL5LIB, just undo them. Leave the call to its init.sh in your .profile, and immediately after that, add a line that overrides its changes to PERL5LIB: export PERL5LIB='' sherm-- -- Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net
Re: New Perl-Installation on new OS X
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Charlie Garrison garri...@zeta.org.au wrote: Good morning, I haven't followed all of this thread (it was digressing there for a while). Would perlbrew be a solution for the OP. I've only been using it a short while but it makes installing and using a custom perl very simple. I've been meaning to check that out. It must do more than what I think it does, because installing a new Perl is already pretty simple: ./Configure -des --prefix=/where/ever make make test sudo make install I'll have to read up on it (thanks for the link) to see what else it does... sherm-- -- Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net
Re: New Perl-Installation on new OS X
I haven't followed all of this thread (it was digressing there for a while). Would perlbrew be a solution for the OP. I've only been using it a short while but it makes installing and using a custom perl very simple. I installed the preconfigured version from active state recently and was pleasantly surprised at how it took care of pretty much everything. That might be another option for the original poster. Wayne
Re: New Perl-Installation on new OS X
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 13:22, Sherm Pendley sherm.pend...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Charlie Garrison garri...@zeta.org.au wrote: Good morning, I haven't followed all of this thread (it was digressing there for a while). Would perlbrew be a solution for the OP. I've only been using it a short while but it makes installing and using a custom perl very simple. I've been meaning to check that out. It must do more than what I think it does, because installing a new Perl is already pretty simple: ./Configure -des --prefix=/where/ever make make test sudo make install I'll have to read up on it (thanks for the link) to see what else it does... snip The main feature is that it downloads and installs whatever version you ask it to install. The second feature is that it manages more than one copy of perl for you. So, say you have a work version of perl that is at 5.8.8 and a home version that is at 5.14.0. You can say perlbrew install perl-5.8.8 perlbrew install perl-5.14.0 perlbrew switch perl-5.14.0 At this point the version of perl found in the PATH will be 5.14.0 perlbrew switch perl-5.8.8 Now, the version of perl found in the PATH will be 5.8.8 Let's go further and say your work has a web code and backend code. Different modules are installed in each environment. You can say perlbrew install perl-5.8.8 --as web perlbrew install perl-5.8.8 --as backend You can then switch between them like this perlbrew switch web perlbrew switch backend Any modules you install with cpan, cpanp, or cpanm (hint: use perlbrew install-cpanm to get cpanm easily and globally for all of the managed perls) will only get installed in the current version. If patchperl is installed (and it gets installed by the install script from the POD), it will allow you to build older versions of perl that break on newer machines. That is about all it does, but that can be incredibly useful. -- Chas. Owens wonkden.net The most important skill a programmer can have is the ability to read.
