Re: OS Poll
Xbox. Justin Simoni -- + Freelance Web Design + Internet Application Development + Way Out There Artist [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://justinsimoni.com | 720.436.7701 On Tuesday, September 24, 2002, at 09:53 am, Ric Phillips wrote: MS, though not makers of hardware - to any great extent - Can you name 1 computer actually made by Microsoft, ever? Or are you talking about joysticks? Hardware may or may not be an essential part of a platform. Oracles, Sun, and SAP are also 'platform' vendors - in different market sectors. and you're saying people who buy a Sun computer are consider the OS before the hardware? Do you consider the merits of the stereo system and/or paint job of a car before you buy it? This is a new platform - not simply an extension of the old Apple platform. You're right it's an extension of the Next platform, mixed with FreeBSD. There's virtually nothing left of the old Mac OS except the name. My 'guess' is that most PERL hackers would most likely be living in the 'colonies' of Apple's current platform. Which colony, in which Empire, on which planet are you living in?You do know that this is a 'PERL' list don't you? If you are one of these frontiersmen, you are most definitely NOT the person the current Apple 'platform' was conceived and developed for. I think you should go and have a look at the apple website - like any company, Apple doesn't care who buys its products or for what, just as long as they sell, and to aid this they have put lots of small enducements into OSX - like why it can have more Windows like behaviour for users or network easily with a windows network, or comes with a unix disk formatting option and optional unix networking styles, or display more Mac like features - hidden internals, no technical knowledge required to use programs and no command line with cryptic commands. But at the end of the day people buy OSX because they need a new computer.
Re: OS Poll
It is a privilege for you to be able to use our OS. Hmm, I wouldn't use this argument, since the reverse is just as flippant: We at Apple have an obligation to give you free product upgrades, forever I remember paying for OSX March, 2001 for $129. In September of 2002, I again paid $129 for OSX 10.2. 10.1 was a free upgrade if you got yourself down to Compusa where a jolly guy in a red polo shirt was burnin' them like hotcakes. I also like to think that there are some hard working people behind Apple. I think people on the whole abstract things too much. Apple is just a company, it's not a collective mind, but is made up of blokes like us all. A year's work on something so complex, I can't fathom the depth and breadth of, gets my $129. Economy's like the one in America only work when people buy things. Apple's stance is that they're going to invent through this rough spot in the economy. But: privilege for you to be able to use our OS. It is a privilige, for those with enough money. This seems fair, since there are free alternatives. Justin Simoni -- + Freelance Web Design + Internet Application Development + Way Out There Artist [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://justinsimoni.com | 720.436.7701 Ken Williams wrote: Then don't! You must really work for Apple marketing, right? That's exactly the attitude they are displaying, and in some ways always have. It is a privilege for you to be able to use our OS. That's why we are in the very exclusive 3% market share. That'll be an additional $129 please.
Re: OS Poll
At $129 for a dot release? Not a chance. Maybe to go to 10.5. Think of 10.2 as really OS 11, I think Apple really mucked up the versioning for this, since they want to keep it OS _X_. Even in a marketing standpoint, the versioning scheme is dumb. From a CL and Unix goodies standpoint, it really doesn't make much difference, but anything that has a GUI has been enhanced with speed and aesthetics (Including Terminal) and the new iApps are very well designed. Justin Simoni -- + Freelance Web Design + Internet Application Development + Way Out There Artist [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://justinsimoni.com | 720.436.7701 At $129 for a dot release? Not a chance. Maybe to go to 10.5. ..Mac is even more of a disappointment. At the same time that Apple is pushing as hard as they ever have to get folks to switch, they are treating their loyal installed base like crap. -Rich ellem wrote: Because 10.2 and 10.1.x are different beasts I notice that some discussions need disclaimers likebut I haven't tried this on 10.1.4 and such so I am wondering Have you upgraded to 10.2? I have not, I am on 10.1.5. (And on a far less important note: Have you signed up for .Mac?) (Me either.) -- Lou Moran http://ellem.dyn.dhs.org:5281/resume/lmoran2002.html
Re: Online shop in Perl
It's basically a little open source web storefront [yes, including shopping carts] all written in Perl and designed to run with Linux MySQL or PostgreSQL or whatever. There's nothing *little* about Interchange. I wouldn't recommend it unless you want to make an amazon.com. I wrote a shopping cart in Perl, finished today actually. Sometimes it's good just to roll your own: http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node=Who%20needs%20shopping%20carts%3F Justin Simoni -- + Freelance Web Design + Internet Application Development + Way Out There Artist [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://justinsimoni.com | 720.436.7701 On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Emmanuel. M. Decarie wrote: I'm looking for a recommendation for a good open source shopping cart in Perl. My boss told me about phpShop http://phpshop.org/, which look good, but I rather use Perl, preferably something implemented in HTML::Mason. Have you looked at RedHat Interchange? It's basically a little open source web storefront [yes, including shopping carts] all written in Perl and designed to run with Linux MySQL or PostgreSQL or whatever. I forget if it uses Mason for templating, but there's definitely a templating mechanism available, as well as modes for web based management [by web designers, sales staff, managers, etc] and back end management [via Perl or the command line or whatever]. Pretty complete system, and all Free. Only catch is that, when I tried to get it going on OSX back in the spring, I couldn't figure out how to get it started, and when I tried to find help on the mailing lists the only responses I got were along the lines of OSX has hopeless bugs, try putting YellowDog on your Mac. No thanks. Still, I saw it running on Linux and it seemed pretty happy there. Check it out: http://interchange.redhat.com/(if I remember correctly)
Re: Sendmail Aliasing to a Perl Program
Charles, This worked perfectly. Thanks so much for your help. I really do appreciate it. See you on the Flatiron trails... Justin Simoni -- + Freelance Web Design + Internet Application Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://justinsimoni | 720.436.7701 At 8:38 PM -0700 2/10/2002, Justin Simoni wrote: I receive this message in the bounced email: smrsh: perl not available for sendmail programs So I went poking around to see if I could figure out how I can make smrsh to make perl available for sendmail, and got this from its man page: Briefly, smrsh limits programs to be in the directory /usr/adm/sm.bin, allowing the system administrator to choose the set of acceptable commands Which is super, but I cannot find /usr/adm/sm.bin in OSX. I can't find anything sm.bin. Has anyone figured out what should be done in this situation? If memory serves, I created the directory... % sudo mkdir -p /usr/adm/sm.bin -m 755 and then placed the link in it... % sudo ln -s /path/to/script.pl /usr/adm/sm.bin/script.pl where the permissions on /path/to/script.pl are 755. And then change /etc/mail/aliases to show: scripttest: |script.pl I believe that should work as long as /path/to/script.pl has a full shebang line. Then, you wouldn't need to explicitly add perl to sm.bin. -Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendmail Aliasing to a Perl Program
Hello All, I'm having trouble with Sendmail and aliasing email addresses to scripts. I have sendmail up and running on 10.1, but everytime I try to send an email to the aliased address, My /etc/mail/aliases file looks like this: scripttest: |/usr/bin/perl /path/to/script.pl I receive this message in the bounced email: smrsh: perl not available for sendmail programs So I went poking around to see if I could figure out how I can make smrsh to make perl available for sendmail, and got this from its man page: Briefly, smrsh limits programs to be in the directory /usr/adm/sm.bin, allowing the system administrator to choose the set of acceptable commands Which is super, but I cannot find /usr/adm/sm.bin in OSX. I can't find anything sm.bin. Has anyone figured out what should be done in this situation? I would greatly appreciate a response, Cheers, Justin Simoni -- + Freelance Web Design + Internet Application Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://justinsimoni | 720.436.7701
Re: Problem opening files in BBEdit
He's got some J to E dictionary stuff Yes! that's the odd, incredibly obscure reference I was going for, he also wrote the regex book for Oreilly, which is choke full of perl examples, although I don't think he uses a mac :( Good book though, I really want a motorcycle now. -- justin. s k a z a t - http://skazat.com 'I am a banana' -the banana
Problem opening files in BBEdit
Has anyone experienced this, Perl files saved in BBEdit in Unix and then closed and reopened, will be opened as a Macintosh format? The problem seems to be that BBEdit isn't changing \n to \r in the editing window, or aren't understanding that the file is using Unix newlines and thinks it's a Mac formatted file. I'm using 10.1. The files I'm working on have a PERL File Kind and a BBEdit icon. justin. http://skazat.com
BBEdit Floating Function Palette
hey everyone, has anyone seen a Palette for BBEdit that shows all functions in an open Perl Script? I think that would be killer for some of my monster scripts. I know you can do it with dropdown button on the toolbar, but I like the idea of always haveing the list accessable and move back and forth with a click. This may not be possible, since it looks like most of the floating palettes are application specific, instead of document specific. I don't do much, well, ANY work in any kind of IDE, so I don't know what other goodies can be made to make my life easier, I do like the simplicity of BBEdit. Sorry if this q is a bit BBEdit specific, 99% of the time I have BBEdit open, it's with a Perl Script in one of the windows, cheers, justin. s k a z a t - http://skazat.com
Re: BBEdit Floating Function Palette
BBEdit has it's own SDK for floating palletes and such. You can grab it from the Bare Bones site I'm sure anyone who knows C could bust it out. I was wondering if anyone has created one yet. justin. s k a z a t - http://skazat.com On Thursday, September 20, 2001, at 04:31 PM, Ian Cabell wrote: You know, that would be a great addition! Where do I petition for (someone else!) to develop it? =) --Ian hey everyone, has anyone seen a Palette for BBEdit that shows all functions in an open Perl Script? I think that would be killer for some of my monster scripts. I know you can do it with dropdown button on the toolbar, but I like the idea of always haveing the list accessable and move back and forth with a click. This may not be possible, since it looks like most of the floating palettes are application specific, instead of document specific. I don't do much, well, ANY work in any kind of IDE, so I don't know what other goodies can be made to make my life easier, I do like the simplicity of BBEdit. Sorry if this q is a bit BBEdit specific, 99% of the time I have BBEdit open, it's with a Perl Script in one of the windows, cheers, justin. s k a z a t - http://skazat.com -- --- Ian Cabell - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - There Is More Than One Right Way PGP Key: C5A5 560D 2E28 FF1F BA6D C2C7 870C 8ED5 8AF0 79C5 justin. s k a z a t - http://skazat.com
Re: Cocoa interfaces
Anyway Fred, is there a way for a whole bunch of people to send a message to someone (who?) at Apple asking for them to release their Perl-Cocoa stuff, saying we'll maintain it? Not that I could *personally* maintain it... =) I'll sign that petition :) I could think of a million different custom apps I could make, using perl with a cocoa hook, for work. I'm sure everyone else has some ideas as well. oi, I wonder if Cocoa has any Applescript hooks (I honestly don't know what I'm talking about) :) I would never get to sleep! justin. s k a z a t - http://skazat.com On Tuesday, September 18, 2001, at 11:54 AM, Ken Williams wrote: Ask Bjoern Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 17 Sep 2001, Wilfredo Sánchez wrote: Mostly, I don't think they appreciate how useful it would be to us perl hackers, and what all coolness we could bring to Mac OS if only we had it. yeah; in MacOS X we could (finally) have applications written in Perl that for the user would look just like any other. I concur, that would be pretty sweet. I also think it's already such a big deal that Apple has created a consumer-oriented OS that includes perl 5.6 with every installation, because it means that people can distribute Perl apps to the masses without instructing them on how to install perl, or trying to bundle perl with your little textfile executable. Anyway Fred, is there a way for a whole bunch of people to send a message to someone (who?) at Apple asking for them to release their Perl-Cocoa stuff, saying we'll maintain it? Not that I could *personally* maintain it... =)
