Re: signed software :: installer -- system software and package installer tool (Apple *.pkg)
Hi folks all solutions in this thread are workarounds. I am interested what exactly the digital signature of the installer.app is. Does this means everything what will be installed through the installer is signed by Apple? If you modify the installation contents, will be the signature invalid? cheers Sven ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Finding iOS Developer Talent?
Hello Folks, Any suggestions as to where to ferret out iOS developer talent in the USA? Prefer individuals looking for permanent full-time but may be open to contract croonies. Thanks in advance! ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: lion
Am 25.10.2010 um 05.55 schrieb Michael_google gmail_Gersten: snip...snip...snip...Why you assume that some file types are in a separate part of the file system (for example, "My Pictures") when those files may be associated with something else (most computer people with experience that I know of organize by project or subject, not by file type -- yet not one user interface is based around directories of projects)? ...snip...snip...snip And ... that's it, in a nutshell. A GUI system is all about managing windows -- I want to be able to put up a bunch of windows, and have one thing per window. Not have to manage multiple things in a window because the window manager stinks at working with groups of windows. Hence for example the need for a "spatial Finder" concept (as I tried to point out recently in another thread): As long as there's a need of printed outputs and a hierarchical filing system in real working environments, digital directories should reflect this filing, and if only it's for easy syncing of real and digital work. That is (or: was??) the ultimate Mac idea: DESKTOP ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: signed software :: installer -- system software and package installer tool (Apple *.pkg)
On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Karl Kuehn wrote: >Just the note of total conservatism here: the family packs (at least > before this) have always been for people living in one house. So your (not > quite) brother-in-law's copy would not apply to you (presumably). Just > putting that out there. > You are correct, I just saw that. That settles that, the brother-in-law's copy is certainly pirated, by nature of him shipping it outside of his residence. :) ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: signed software :: installer -- system software and package installer tool (Apple *.pkg)
On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Macs R We wrote: I got gulled. There are several credible-looking websites (e.g., softpedia) > offering the free trial, downloaded directly from Apple. But when you click > on the final download button, you finally get to "woops, there's actually no > free trial available for this." One wonders why they expended the effort to > offer it in the first place. > > ADS ADS ADS. I counted 8, 4 on each page. So even if you Google in directly to the iLife 2011 page, and only click one more page (download), you've given them 8 ad impressions. ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: signed software :: installer -- system software and package installer tool (Apple *.pkg)
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Scott G. Lewis wrote: > ADS ADS ADS. I counted 8, 4 on each page. So even if you Google in directly > to the iLife 2011 page, and only click one more page (download), you've > given them 8 ad impressions. I recommend you the Open Source GlimmerBlocker (http://glimmerblocker.org/) which works as local ad filtering proxy. No ads in all Mac applications ;-) cheers Sven ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: lion
WOW. I might have left it at that, but I'll reply in-line all the same, because I'm a windbag and love my own voice, or something like that... On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Michael_google gmail_Gersten < keybou...@gmail.com> wrote: The real problem is: While humans don't do two tasks at once well, > using two or more tools at once for a single task is something we're > really good at. And a "Single-App" system prevents that. > MANY, MANY beginners use their computers like this. What we really don't do well as humans is try to categorize an entire group of people, mostly, because you can't. Not everyone works like you. For every guy like you or me, there's 10 people who maximize every app. When they need another app, they don't even use their respective OS'es task switcher, they minimize, then maximize the next app. For every 10 of those people, there's 1 or 2 more that QUIT the app each time, because they don't know better. Those people work better on Macs, sometimes, since most apps don't quit when you close a document window, so the next time they "open the app", it opens really quick, having never really closed. Some Windows MDI apps kinda work that way too, which is why a lot of these people always have MS Word open, not knowing it, for example. NOBODY on this list has suggested a single app, no windows system is going to be the only choice for Macs. It is going to remain so for the iPad, and it's going to be an option for Macs. Possibly one day even the default option that you'll have to flip off every time you buy a new system. > save? Why we still use a hierarchical file system today instead of a > RDBM-and-tag based file system? Why there is no support for hard links > in either MW or AA GUI systems -- and the aliasing system in either > I used to train nurses on an email system (Zimbra) that supports "tagging" as an option alongside folder organization. The reason is, quite simply, that tags in LIEU of folders is not for everybody. And tags alongside folders is very hard for people to understand, unless they are quite competent in computers. It took a lot of practice, and revision of my materials to get it to the point where I could get that 1 person out of 25 to say "wow, I love that" without making the other 24 say "huh? Can you repeat that again, slower this time?" I don't even tag photos in Aperture, I just organize them by event, which is akin to saying "I throw all my crap in folders". You expect your Aunt to tag? That's why to the common user bookmarks trump delicious but both are trumped by just typing in the google bar. That's why Chrome merged web search and the URL bar, since they know that most people really don't get the difference. You're on a platform (mac) that caters to you, with lots of advanced functionality. But it also specializes in, and targets in particular people who either don't know much about computers, or are an absolute WIZARD in Photoshop, Quark, Indesign, whatever... but still don't know much about file systems. You can hope and ask they keep catering to you, but not without understanding that you're just one of a relatively small number of advanced users on this platform. You're going to see things like this more and more as Apple realizes higher market share... without increasing user frustration. > does not permit the reverse path lookup? Why the concept of "One file > in multiple locations" doesn't exist anywhere? Why neither one truly > has support for "Show the relevant folder" operation for an icon in > every case? Why we see this silly assumption (again, both systems) > that if you are doing an operation on a graphical file, you are > interested in every graphical file in the same directory (But oddly, > not assumed true for any other type of file)? Why you assume that some > file types are in a separate part of the file system (for example, "My > Pictures") when those files may be associated with something else > (most computer people with experience that I know of organize by > project or subject, not by file type -- yet not one user interface is > based around directories of projects)? > You work too hard for your files. I know where mine are, or use Spotlight. I think doing everything you ask is kinda neat, but would just add to much complexity to the UI. > Gestures, Right clicks, versus old school (Windows 2 and 3) menu bars: > With old school menu bars, you knew where everything was. You might > have to search for them. You might need for things to be organized > well. But you could find them. > Right clicks? Seriously, context-sensitive menus (which don't remove ANYTHING from the menubar) is a bad design? Not only is what you need often RIGHT THERE, you rarely have to move the mouse to get to it. Seriously, the one-button mouse was NEVER a good idea. > Now? Nowadays you need to right click on everything to try to find > what's valid here and not there; you have to hope that you didn't miss > something that the program considered
Re: signed software :: installer -- system software and package installer tool (Apple *.pkg)
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Sven Aluoor wrote: > I recommend you the Open Source GlimmerBlocker > (http://glimmerblocker.org/) which works as local ad filtering proxy. > No ads in all Mac applications ;-) Well, for starters, I was specifically looking for the ads, as I was counting them in response to the question of "why would they list software you can't download on a downloads site". Secondly, I will avoid some web sites because their ads are obnoxious, but I don't block ads as a general rule. If the other choices are things like "the app goes away" or "you have to pay for the app", viewing a few ads seems fair. ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: lion
On 2010-10-24 10:55 PM, Michael_google gmail_Gersten wrote: Give me one consistent look and feel. When I read this list I have the message that I'm reading fill most of the center of my screen (13 inch MacBook, not very big). I go to the next one with just 'F', or delete it and read the next with just 'delete'. That is different from other Mac programs and very convenient. On the other hand I've gotten used to two finger scrolling which is a wonderful invention, but on a Google map that zooms, while scrolling has to be done with one finger. Yuk! One size does NOT fit all. -- Bill Ehrich ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: signed software :: installer -- system software and package installer tool (Apple *.pkg)
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Scott G. Lewis wrote: > Secondly, I will avoid some web > sites because their ads are obnoxious, but I don't block ads as a general > rule. If the other choices are things like "the app goes away" or "you have > to pay for the app", viewing a few ads seems fair. Well, for starters, ads are a security risk and a privacy violation. ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: signed software :: installer -- system software and package installer tool (Apple *.pkg)
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Sven Aluoor wrote: > Well, for starters, ads are a security risk and a privacy violation. > To each their own. Security is not just avoiding risk, it's mitigating it. I do the latter. If everyone bypassed ads, do you really think most of what you visit daily would be free? You're welcome! ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: signed software :: installer -- system software and package installer tool (Apple *.pkg)
On 25 Oct 2010, at 11:18:31, Sven Aluoor wrote: > On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Scott G. Lewis > wrote: >> Secondly, I will avoid some web >> sites because their ads are obnoxious, but I don't block ads as a general >> rule. If the other choices are things like "the app goes away" or "you have >> to pay for the app", viewing a few ads seems fair. > > Well, for starters, ads are a security risk and a privacy violation. Errm... No. _Some_, badly-written, ads are security risks. Some, malicious, ads are privacy violations. It is _not_ correct to say that an ad, just by itself, is a security risk, a privacy violation, or both. The vast majority of ads are merely annoyances. For example, I regularly visit The Register. It has several types of ads, most of which are nailed by Ad Blocker, but some of which are written into the body of the page (those would usually be ads for Vulture Central's own features. Right now the upper right corner of the main page has a small tag pushing Mary-Jo Foley & Gavin Clarke's current demo job on Steve Ballmer (it seems that they don't like Monkey-Dance Ballmer for some reason...) in general and current events at Microsoft (they're not impressed by Windows Phone 7) which is totally ignorable if you don't want to listen to loveingly-crafted hatchetjobs. No security violations unless you click on it, and even then it's minimal. No privacy violations other than what you have to put up with just to use a modern web browser. No other ads escape Ad Blocker. ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: signed software :: installer -- system software and package installer tool (Apple *.pkg)
On Oct 24, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Macs R We wrote: On Oct 24, 2010, at 1:30 PM, Scott Lewis wrote: iWork has a free trial available. iLife is purchase and ship only. I got gulled. There are several credible-looking websites (e.g., softpedia) offering the free trial, downloaded directly from Apple. But when you click on the final download button, you finally get to "woops, there's actually no free trial available for this." One wonders why they expended the effort to offer it in the first place. Advertising. Softpedia.com does not shows iLife in its search results... at least not for me. Shows iLife Support 9.03, though. ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Java going away???
Can someone explain this? Java Deprecation As of the release of Java for Mac OS X 10.6 Update 3, the version of Java that is ported by Apple, and that ships with Mac OS X, is deprecated. This means that the Apple-produced runtime will not be maintained at the same level, and may be removed from future versions of Mac OS X. The Java runtime shipping in Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, and Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, will continue to be supported and maintained through the standard support cycles of those products. -- Political and economic blog of a strict constitutionalist http://StrictConstitution.BlogSpot.com ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: Java going away???
It means if Oracle wants the Mac to be 100% guaranteed up-to-date compatible with Java moving forward, they best start making sure they compile, test and distribute it to mac users themselves. Before anyone gets too upset: It's not like Windows ships with JRE either. I have exactly two apps that require Java. One streams video to my iOS devices doing a live conversion to h.264. The other is the Zimbra Desktop. I've no doubt that apps that require Java will continue to work, it just may be that it won't be there out of the box, and you'll have to download it, or have the app vendor bundle it. On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Michael_google gmail_Gersten < keybou...@gmail.com> wrote: > Can someone explain this? > > Java Deprecation > As of the release of Java for Mac OS X 10.6 Update 3, the version of > Java that is ported by Apple, and that ships with Mac OS X, is > deprecated. > > This means that the Apple-produced runtime will not be maintained at > the same level, and may be removed from future versions of Mac OS X. > The Java runtime shipping in Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, and Mac OS X > 10.5 Leopard, will continue to be supported and maintained through the > standard support cycles of those products. > > -- > Political and economic blog of a strict constitutionalist > http://StrictConstitution.BlogSpot.com > ___ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk > ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: Java going away???
Basically, Sun has taken full control and responsibility for the support and Java developments on the various platforms. On Oct 25, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Michael_google gmail_Gersten wrote: > Can someone explain this? > > Java Deprecation > As of the release of Java for Mac OS X 10.6 Update 3, the version of > Java that is ported by Apple, and that ships with Mac OS X, is > deprecated. > > This means that the Apple-produced runtime will not be maintained at > the same level, and may be removed from future versions of Mac OS X. > The Java runtime shipping in Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, and Mac OS X > 10.5 Leopard, will continue to be supported and maintained through the > standard support cycles of those products. > > -- > Political and economic blog of a strict constitutionalist > http://StrictConstitution.BlogSpot.com > ___ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: signed software :: installer -- system software and package installer tool (Apple *.pkg)
On Oct 25, 2010, at 9:52 AM, Cesar Alsina wrote: > On Oct 24, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Macs R We wrote: > >> On Oct 24, 2010, at 1:30 PM, Scott Lewis wrote: >> >>> iWork has a free trial available. iLife is purchase and ship only. >> >> I got gulled. There are several credible-looking websites (e.g., softpedia) >> offering the free trial, downloaded directly from Apple. But when you click >> on the final download button, you finally get to "woops, there's actually no >> free trial available for this." One wonders why they expended the effort to >> offer it in the first place. > > Advertising. > > Softpedia.com does not shows iLife in its search results... at least not for > me. Shows iLife Support 9.03, though. Curious. Google: ilife 11 free trial. They're the top two hits, plus a "show more" box. -- Macs R We -- Personal Macintosh Service and Support in the Wickenburg and far Northwest Valley Areas. http://macsrwe.com ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: Java going away???
On 26 oct. 10, at 01:52, Michael_google gmail_Gersten wrote: > Can someone explain this? Check the java-dev list at Apple to have an idea of the buzz that generated, today's DaringFireball shows a few interesting article snippets from the web and that should tell you what you need to know. Basically, the current Java will be supported until SL's end of service, which is 2+ years ahead. In the meanwhile, a lot can happen. Oracle can start to handle the Mac side of things, OpenJDK can start to handle Swing, free software project can pop up to do whatever's needed etc. > Java Deprecation > As of the release of Java for Mac OS X 10.6 Update 3, the version of > Java that is ported by Apple, and that ships with Mac OS X, is > deprecated. > > This means that the Apple-produced runtime will not be maintained at > the same level, and may be removed from future versions of Mac OS X. > The Java runtime shipping in Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, and Mac OS X > 10.5 Leopard, will continue to be supported and maintained through the > standard support cycles of those products. Jean-Christophe Helary fun: http://mac4translators.blogspot.com work: http://www.doublet.jp (ja/en > fr) tweets: http://twitter.com/brandelune ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: signed software :: installer -- system software and package installer tool (Apple *.pkg)
On Oct 25, 2010, at 4:27 PM, Macs R We wrote: On Oct 25, 2010, at 9:52 AM, Cesar Alsina wrote: On Oct 24, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Macs R We wrote: On Oct 24, 2010, at 1:30 PM, Scott Lewis wrote: iWork has a free trial available. iLife is purchase and ship only. I got gulled. There are several credible-looking websites (e.g., softpedia) offering the free trial, downloaded directly from Apple. But when you click on the final download button, you finally get to "woops, there's actually no free trial available for this." One wonders why they expended the effort to offer it in the first place. Advertising. Softpedia.com does not shows iLife in its search results... at least not for me. Shows iLife Support 9.03, though. Curious. Google: ilife 11 free trial. They're the top two hits, plus a "show more" box. You're right. I'm right, too. Really curious. It just tells how far they go in order to get the click back to their web site and show ads. Even when you search in their website for iLife 11, nothing shows up. Tricky stuff. Cesar Alsina ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: Java going away???
I think the key question is can any third-party Java for MacOSX integrate with the OS and particularly AQUA (GUI), or will they make the effort to integrate it, as well as Apple did (most/some of the time)? We don't want to have to use X11 for pure Java GUIs on MacOSX (at least I don't)! Cheers, Ashley. -- Ashley Aitken Perth, Western Australia mrhatken at mac dot com Skype Name: MrHatken (GMT + 8 Hours!) ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: Java going away???
On 26 oct. 10, at 11:22, Ashley Aitken wrote: > I think the key question is can any third-party Java for MacOSX integrate > with the OS and particularly AQUA (GUI), or will they make the effort to > integrate it, as well as Apple did (most/some of the time)? > > We don't want to have to use X11 for pure Java GUIs on MacOSX (at least I > don't)! I tried soylatte and openjdk and neither worked with the Swing app that I use for work 8 hours a day. But I'm not worried. Something will happen. Either Oracle makes a move or the free software community does. Jean-Christophe Helary fun: http://mac4translators.blogspot.com work: http://www.doublet.jp (ja/en > fr) tweets: http://twitter.com/brandelune ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
