Updating mail and iPod Touch
Guys, My wife just bought an iPod touch and I got a chance to play with it a little. Amazing. I just have a question. She has her .Mac account pushing to the iPod. She received about 700 messages downloaded to her iPod and deleted many of them because she had already read them on her computer. Muy only concern is, if she syncs her iPod to her computer, will the messages she deleted from her iPod be deleted from her mail acount? I don't think she wants that to happen and I am concerned that when she connects the iPod Touch to charge the battery, it might delete mail she doesn't want deleted if she isn't careful. Any ideas? Kevin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: using Mac with Blackboard
Hi donna, What are you using for your browser and is leopard your os? I use / deal with blackboard at work, I'm not a big user of the mac platform. But I can have a look tomorrow and can get back to you then. Can you email me at work on simon.foga...@otago.ac.nz And I'll see what I can figure out for you. Chers Simon. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin Sent: Tuesday, 29 September 2009 1:43 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: using Mac with Blackboard Hello all, I realize this is probably a long-shot, but I'm wondering if there is anyone on this list using Blackboard on their Mac, preferably from the faculty side. The problems I am having are in the gradebook. I can see all the columns for each item needing grading, but can't tell which column corresponds to which item. So, for example, I cannot find a way to figure out whether the column I am on is for the test they just took--worth one point total--or for an assignment they turned in last week, worth a very different point total. It does not seem to matter at all, whether I'm in DOM or groups mode, actually, the page looks very similar whichever mode I set it to. Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Best, Donna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
voice over instruction manuals
hi guys and girls, ladies and gents. can anyone put me on to a good easy to read user guide for voice over, both for leopard or Snow leopard. if not both. cheers simon f. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: using Mac with Blackboard
Hi Donna, sorry I missed that part earlier, yes I can give you the staff view of blackboards gradebook or waht ever bb 8 call it, can't remember if it's gradebook or grade center. but as I said, give me a yell at work and I'll let you know what I find. and let me point out, I'm a pc user more than a mac user, but I'm sure we can sort something out. Simon F -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Campbell Sent: Tuesday, 29 September 2009 7:53 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: using Mac with Blackboard Hi. I'm using blackboard from a students point of view and it seems to work fine for me. Sorry I cant give any help from the staff side of it. On 2009-09-28, at 8:42 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hello all, I realize this is probably a long-shot, but I'm wondering if there is anyone on this list using Blackboard on their Mac, preferably from the faculty side. The problems I am having are in the gradebook. I can see all the columns for each item needing grading, but can't tell which column corresponds to which item. So, for example, I cannot find a way to figure out whether the column I am on is for the test they just took--worth one point total--or for an assignment they turned in last week, worth a very different point total. It does not seem to matter at all, whether I'm in DOM or groups mode, actually, the page looks very similar whichever mode I set it to. Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Best, Donna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
developement tool for the iphone
Hi everyone, As i have spoken about our new iphone developement cell, i would like to make an addendum: I have purchased the shiva 3D engine tool for iphone which includes features such as voice over integration. Here is the link: http://www.stonetrip.com/new-features.html My original proposal was made with voice over in mind, and though the games will be ported for 3D gaming, i will make sure that voice over users won't be omitted, as i am myself a voice over user. These are exciting times :) Best Yuma --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: torrents
Did you check out any of the programs that people suggested? If so, what problem are you having setting them up? On 29/09/2009, kaare dehard kaare.deh...@gmail.com wrote: I use utorrent for mac. I did a google search, and found it through the greatness of the search engine. It is accessible with the mac, the only peculiarity that I found was that you download the torrent files to downloads and when you open them up it launches the torrent client. Most stuff is accessible to set up through the pull down menus. Hope this helps. I am not aware of any podcasts that specificly deal with toorents and mac. On 2009-09-28, at 7:56 PM, May McDonald wrote: Hey everyone. I know I asked about torrent programs a few days ago and was wondering if someone can tell me if there's a podcast that talks about the best one to use that works with mac and how to set it up? I really need to get that torrent program, smile. -- Kind regards, BEN. email: bmustillr...@gmail.com msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: torrents
I downloaded utorrent since that's the one I was familiar with through windows, but I of course don't know how it works with the mac. It doesn't seem to be doing anything and I have no clue where it puts the files when it's done since I didn't see options for that. On 29-Sep-09, at 4:06 AM, ben mustill-rose wrote: Did you check out any of the programs that people suggested? If so, what problem are you having setting them up? On 29/09/2009, kaare dehard kaare.deh...@gmail.com wrote: I use utorrent for mac. I did a google search, and found it through the greatness of the search engine. It is accessible with the mac, the only peculiarity that I found was that you download the torrent files to downloads and when you open them up it launches the torrent client. Most stuff is accessible to set up through the pull down menus. Hope this helps. I am not aware of any podcasts that specificly deal with toorents and mac. On 2009-09-28, at 7:56 PM, May McDonald wrote: Hey everyone. I know I asked about torrent programs a few days ago and was wondering if someone can tell me if there's a podcast that talks about the best one to use that works with mac and how to set it up? I really need to get that torrent program, smile. -- Kind regards, BEN. email: bmustillr...@gmail.com msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
How to open an url in VLC-player.
Hi all. Is it possible to open an URL adress or another link in vlc-player. Best regards Annie. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over instruction manuals
Hi Simon. The Getting STarted guide for VoiceOver in Snow Leopard is at the bottom of the vO help menu. Press VO-H, then Up Arrow, and you've got it. That particular version is in HTML and opens in safari. HTH, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Strange bug with Voice Over
Hi list, I've noticed a strange issue with VO under Snow Leopard. If I leave my PC alone for any length of time, when I come back to typing, VO has aded a new line automatically. Is there a setting that would cause this or is it a bug? Can anyone confirm please before i send a message to Apple. Thank you Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Strange bug with Voice Over
What application are you in and what is the line hat's added? -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Nash Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:45 AM To: Mac visionaries Subject: Strange bug with Voice Over Hi list, I've noticed a strange issue with VO under Snow Leopard. If I leave my PC alone for any length of time, when I come back to typing, VO has aded a new line automatically. Is there a setting that would cause this or is it a bug? Can anyone confirm please before i send a message to Apple. Thank you Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: quick nav problem
What is quick nav? -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 9:25 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: quick nav problem Hi Pete, toggle it off by pressing the left and right arrows as when you activated. You will hear a message stating quicknav off and you should be all set. Cheers. On 2009-09-28, at 10:11 PM, peter apgar wrote: Good evening all, i have some how turned on quick nav on in mail and for the life of me can't figure out how to turn it off. is there a hot key for this? Thanks in advance, Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: How to open an url in VLC-player.
Just press command n, browse through all the network options and you'll find it somewhere... Best regards Søren. - Original Message - From: Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com To: MacVisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:31 PM Subject: How to open an url in VLC-player. Hi all. Is it possible to open an URL adress or another link in vlc-player. Best regards Annie. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: torrents
It puts the downloaded files in your download folder. - Original Message - From: May McDonald mcdonald@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:47 PM Subject: Re: torrents I downloaded utorrent since that's the one I was familiar with through windows, but I of course don't know how it works with the mac. It doesn't seem to be doing anything and I have no clue where it puts the files when it's done since I didn't see options for that. On 29-Sep-09, at 4:06 AM, ben mustill-rose wrote: Did you check out any of the programs that people suggested? If so, what problem are you having setting them up? On 29/09/2009, kaare dehard kaare.deh...@gmail.com wrote: I use utorrent for mac. I did a google search, and found it through the greatness of the search engine. It is accessible with the mac, the only peculiarity that I found was that you download the torrent files to downloads and when you open them up it launches the torrent client. Most stuff is accessible to set up through the pull down menus. Hope this helps. I am not aware of any podcasts that specificly deal with toorents and mac. On 2009-09-28, at 7:56 PM, May McDonald wrote: Hey everyone. I know I asked about torrent programs a few days ago and was wondering if someone can tell me if there's a podcast that talks about the best one to use that works with mac and how to set it up? I really need to get that torrent program, smile. -- Kind regards, BEN. email: bmustillr...@gmail.com msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: quick nav problem
Quick nav is a new feature in snow lepard that allows you to navigate the screen more efficiently. On Sep 29, 2009, at 10:54 AM, Kevin Gibbs wrote: What is quick nav? -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 9:25 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: quick nav problem Hi Pete, toggle it off by pressing the left and right arrows as when you activated. You will hear a message stating quicknav off and you should be all set. Cheers. On 2009-09-28, at 10:11 PM, peter apgar wrote: Good evening all, i have some how turned on quick nav on in mail and for the life of me can't figure out how to turn it off. is there a hot key for this? Thanks in advance, Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: quick nav problem
Hello Kevin, Quick Nav is a very handy way of navigating in VoiceOver. To toggle Quick Nav on and off, press the left and right arrow keys together. You can then just use the arrow keys as though you were using VO plus arrow keys. With Quick Nav on, pressing the right and down arrow keys together interacts with an item, and pressing the left and down arrows stops interacting. Pressing the left and up arrow keys cycles through navigation modes: words, characters and navigation. Pressing the right and up arrow keys cycles through these modes in the opposite direction. Pressing the up and down arrow keys together performs the default action for the item in the VoiceOver cursor. Cheers, Anne On Sep 29, 2009, at 4:54 PM, Kevin Gibbs wrote: What is quick nav? -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 9:25 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: quick nav problem Hi Pete, toggle it off by pressing the left and right arrows as when you activated. You will hear a message stating quicknav off and you should be all set. Cheers. On 2009-09-28, at 10:11 PM, peter apgar wrote: Good evening all, i have some how turned on quick nav on in mail and for the life of me can't figure out how to turn it off. is there a hot key for this? Thanks in advance, Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: quick nav problem
DearAnne, How sweet of you to let me know. I don't own a Mac yet. I'm practicing on my wife's original Powerbook running Leopard and playing with Macs in my local stores when I have time. Pam just bought a Touch and I'm learning the VO gestures for touch screens prior to getting an iPhone later. Being on this group has been very helpful. Thanks, Kevin -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:41 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: quick nav problem Hello Kevin, Quick Nav is a very handy way of navigating in VoiceOver. To toggle Quick Nav on and off, press the left and right arrow keys together. You can then just use the arrow keys as though you were using VO plus arrow keys. With Quick Nav on, pressing the right and down arrow keys together interacts with an item, and pressing the left and down arrows stops interacting. Pressing the left and up arrow keys cycles through navigation modes: words, characters and navigation. Pressing the right and up arrow keys cycles through these modes in the opposite direction. Pressing the up and down arrow keys together performs the default action for the item in the VoiceOver cursor. Cheers, Anne On Sep 29, 2009, at 4:54 PM, Kevin Gibbs wrote: What is quick nav? -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 9:25 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: quick nav problem Hi Pete, toggle it off by pressing the left and right arrows as when you activated. You will hear a message stating quicknav off and you should be all set. Cheers. On 2009-09-28, at 10:11 PM, peter apgar wrote: Good evening all, i have some how turned on quick nav on in mail and for the life of me can't figure out how to turn it off. is there a hot key for this? Thanks in advance, Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Software to flatten a photographed book
Anyone play with PostProcessor? Apparently there is a whole community around building your own book scanner rigs and they have a Java app to remove keystoning, find the page edges and remove curves. Supposedly it runs on OSX. http://www.diybookscanner.org/news/ General discussion thread on book flattening on Slashdot.org here: http://ask.slashdot.org/story/09/09/27/199251/Software-To-Flatten-a-Photographed-Book CB --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Skype opening extra ports, Ichat connection erratic, etc.
Lately I've noticed that AIM and Google Chat are bouncing off and on line. Skype seems to be fine, but when I looked at my network at the router level, I noticed that Skype UDP and TCP were being hosted directly on the router. Googling this taught me about Universal Plug and Play UPP) in Windows, but I couldn't find a way to disable this feature under OS10. I'm still running Leopard, not SL yet. So what I wonder is, with extra ports being opened by Skype, is this a security issue I should be worried about and, if so, how do I disable this in Leopard? Can't find it in Prefs or any of the menus. Thanks. Mark BurningHawk Baxter Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question on Burning an Audio CD
As far as I know you'll need to use iTunes or some other 3rd party app to make an Audio CD from a set of mp3s. That said, many newer CD players will now play mp3 files directly from CDs so you might want to still go that route. You can fit quite a bit more material on a standard CD in MP3 than you can with plain old audio. CB David McLean wrote: Hello, I've noticed in the Finder context menu there is a burn to disk option. However when I use it to burn a folder that contains mp3 files it doesn't convert them to a standard audio cd, instead it just burns the mp3s. Is there any way to use this option in Finder to create an audio cd instead or is the only way to do this through Itunes? Appreciate any help. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: VO and screenwriting software
Hi Israel, This is a bit late, but here are two pieces of information related to your query about screenwriting software. Final Draft 8.0 was released in April, according to the Apple Software pages: http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/productivity_tools/finaldraft.html Mariner Software is running a 3-day sale that ends today with 35% off everything. Use the coupon code Lean when you check out if you want to get Montage. HTH Cheers, Esther Israel wrote: Thank you Justin and James. I've done some early research on your suggestion. Thank you for the reply Israel Antonio Sexy Isra On Sep 25, 2009, at 2:29 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi, Just to add to Justin's post, while you'll have a bit of a learning curve as Justin has pointed out, you can use Latex to format pretty much how you like. Latex' power lies in itn its ability to format, deal with and separate content and structure. Once you've got your Screen play content writen you will be able to format it to your heart's content if the package's defaults do not fit the bill. Take care J On 25 Sep 2009, at 20:24, Justin Harford wrote: Probably better go out and google. If you end up finding that all the graphical apps don't work well however, you might consider the screenplay package class for LaTeX. You might experience a bit of a learning curve at the beginning, but it might be worth it. I looked at the manual screenplay.pdf file and it looks as though the package was written with the Academy of of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences in mind. Justin Harford On Sep 25, 2009, at 10:32 AM, Israel wrote: Hi Everyone! I am wondering does anyone use a screenwriting software with VO? Which software is accessible? All the playwrights and screenwriters I know insist on Final Draft or Movie Magic- the top two Hollywood standards. After much research, I bought Final Draft 7.13 and it worked fine when I was using my PC but upon buying my Mac, I learned that most aspects of FD and MM for that fact are accessible with VO except the actual part where I would write/ edit my screenplays. Montage by Mariner Sotware makes it a point to state that it is 100% accessible to the blind and visually impaired, but various Hollywood screenwriters including John August give them credit for at least trying to compete with the Big 2 but that the software does not always format your scripts properly as Final Draft or Movie Magic do. I know Final Draft released a version 8 a few months back, but I've not been able to find out if it is accessible with VO. So, if anyone knows or has suggestions on screenwriting software which does properly format and is very much accessible with VO, I'd appreciate it. Israel Antonio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: VO and screenwriting software
Thank you Esther! I remember reading Final Draft 8.0 had been released. I always found that FD 7.13, which I own for the PC was very accessible, but when I switched to Mac, this summer, I learned from an Apple Store employee and someone from Apple Accessibility, that FD was not completely accessible with VO. It was Apple Accessibility who first introduced me to Montage and I was hopeful until hearing from Hollywood screenwriters about how it lacks from FD but a huge benefit has always been how Mariner Software is very public on how they make their software with accessibility to the blind/ visually impaired very much in mind! Again, thank you Esther. This is a great help. As a playwright/screenwriter, I continue to hope for even more accessibility advancements and hope if others on this list come across accessibility advancements, he/she will pass it along. Israel Antonio Sexy Isra On Sep 29, 2009, at 2:44 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Israel, This is a bit late, but here are two pieces of information related to your query about screenwriting software. Final Draft 8.0 was released in April, according to the Apple Software pages: http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/productivity_tools/finaldraft.html Mariner Software is running a 3-day sale that ends today with 35% off everything. Use the coupon code Lean when you check out if you want to get Montage. HTH Cheers, Esther Israel wrote: Thank you Justin and James. I've done some early research on your suggestion. Thank you for the reply Israel Antonio Sexy Isra On Sep 25, 2009, at 2:29 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi, Just to add to Justin's post, while you'll have a bit of a learning curve as Justin has pointed out, you can use Latex to format pretty much how you like. Latex' power lies in itn its ability to format, deal with and separate content and structure. Once you've got your Screen play content writen you will be able to format it to your heart's content if the package's defaults do not fit the bill. Take care J On 25 Sep 2009, at 20:24, Justin Harford wrote: Probably better go out and google. If you end up finding that all the graphical apps don't work well however, you might consider the screenplay package class for LaTeX. You might experience a bit of a learning curve at the beginning, but it might be worth it. I looked at the manual screenplay.pdf file and it looks as though the package was written with the Academy of of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences in mind. Justin Harford On Sep 25, 2009, at 10:32 AM, Israel wrote: Hi Everyone! I am wondering does anyone use a screenwriting software with VO? Which software is accessible? All the playwrights and screenwriters I know insist on Final Draft or Movie Magic- the top two Hollywood standards. After much research, I bought Final Draft 7.13 and it worked fine when I was using my PC but upon buying my Mac, I learned that most aspects of FD and MM for that fact are accessible with VO except the actual part where I would write/ edit my screenplays. Montage by Mariner Sotware makes it a point to state that it is 100% accessible to the blind and visually impaired, but various Hollywood screenwriters including John August give them credit for at least trying to compete with the Big 2 but that the software does not always format your scripts properly as Final Draft or Movie Magic do. I know Final Draft released a version 8 a few months back, but I've not been able to find out if it is accessible with VO. So, if anyone knows or has suggestions on screenwriting software which does properly format and is very much accessible with VO, I'd appreciate it. Israel Antonio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Fwd: [VICUG-L] FW: [WebAIM] WebAIM Screen Reader User Survey
THis is a great chance to weigh in as VO users for web developers. Please take a few moments to fill out this questionnaire. -Original Message- From: webaim-forum-boun...@list.webaim.org [mailto:webaim-forum-boun...@list.webaim.org] On Behalf Of Jared Smith Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:39 PM To: WebAIM Discussion List Subject: [WebAIM] WebAIM Screen Reader User Survey WebAIM has a new screen reader user survey available at http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey2/ By completing this survey you will help inform development choices for those creating accessible web content. All screen reader users, even those that use screen readers only for evaluation and testing, are invited to participate. Our previous survey (http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey/) had over 1100 respondents and the data collected provided new, valuable insight into screen reader usage and preferences. Please help us by distributing the URL to screen reader users and disability groups - we're particularly interested in reaching screen reader users who may not be as technically savvy or connected as the typical WebAIM audience. Developers, evaluators, and other sighted users who use screen readers for evaluation and testing are also invited to provide their insights. Jared Smith WebAIM ___ To manage your subscription, visit http://list.webaim.org/ Address list messages to webaim-fo...@list.webaim.org VICUG-L is the Visually Impaired Computer User Group List. Archived on the World Wide Web at http://listserv.icors.org/archives/vicug-l.html Signoff: vicug-l-unsubscribe-requ...@listserv.icors.org Subscribe: vicug-l-subscribe-requ...@listserv.icors.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Updating mail and iPod Touch
If it doesn't sync messages, why did Pam get what I would guess was every message that was online downloaded to her Touch? am I to understand that if she deletes a message from her Touch and then opens her Mac Mail program, the same message she has already read on her Touch will appear in her Mac's Inbox as new? ? It seems that would be the test of whether deleting from the Touch altered the online contents. Thanks, Kevin -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Holly Anderson Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:27 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Updating mail and iPod Touch Hi. NO the ipod touch doesn't sink messages just mail settings. so the messages will not be deleted from the account. Holly On Sep 29, 2009, at 1:19 AM, Kevin Gibbs wrote: Guys, My wife just bought an iPod touch and I got a chance to play with it a little. Amazing. I just have a question. She has her .Mac account pushing to the iPod. She received about 700 messages downloaded to her iPod and deleted many of them because she had already read them on her computer. Muy only concern is, if she syncs her iPod to her computer, will the messages she deleted from her iPod be deleted from her mail acount? I don't think she wants that to happen and I am concerned that when she connects the iPod Touch to charge the battery, it might delete mail she doesn't want deleted if she isn't careful. Any ideas? Kevin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
VPN revisited
Hi all, Ok I've been playing around with two VPN clients since I raised this topic about a month ago. The two clients I've looked at are Tunnelblick and Viscosity. In case anyone needs to use a VPN, my thoughts on both are given below. 1. Viscosity. I chose this one first because, as Esther said at the time this topic was discussed, it supports applescript. The installation for this application follows standard OSX conventions, and creates no problems with VO whatsoever. The application is not very accessible in the typical sense of the word. It uses a status menu (NSStatusItem which it locates in the vicinity of time machine, and the other Extra menu items Apple use. Problems with such status menus are well documented here and on other lists so I won't delve into that again. However, suffice it to say that because the status menu is inaccessible, it precludes getting to the menu items, preferences dialog and other aspects of the software. I did ask a sighted colleague to open the preferences dialog for me, and it was navigable, but not easily so. I mentioned earlier that Viscosity does support applescript. One can easily create scripts to connect to, and disconnect from the VPN. This feature makes the application usable. Finally, I'd like to acknowledge the developer of this application. During an email exchange, he acknowledged that the app could do with some work, and also succinctly explained the issues with the NSStatusItem. He has told me that he and other developers have been on to Apple regarding this issue, and await their response. 2. Tunnelblick. This application is very similar to Viscosity described above. However, it is an opensource project, and as such the source code is available. Once again, the installation process is no problem. However, the same issues regarding NSStatusItems emerge; that is, it creates one which cannot be reached using VO. A little digging on the TunnelBlick wiki produced documentation on the preferences, which can be found in a .plist file located in ~/ library/preferences. Editing this file in the normal way, (using some educated guesswork) I could actually configure the application to both start wen I logged on, and also to automatically connect to the VPN thereby negating the need to go near the inaccessible status menu. Finally on this application, while it does not, to the best of my knowledge support applescript, it does come with a command-line interface called openvpnstart. One has to drill down into the application package (using terminal) to run this app. Also, root privileges seem to be required to run it. However, this can be scripted using the usual shell-scripts and this approach also works quite well. So in summary, the two clients I've looked at are inaccessible in one sense, but are in fact usable with a little tweaking and experimentation. I hope this helps people, and might just save some time for others in the future. Cheers, Donal --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Updating mail and iPod Touch
Hello Kevin, It all depends on whether your wife is using POP or IMAP. With POP, you get all the messages on both devices, but with IMAP, if you delete a message on one device, it disappears from the other. If a message is read on one device, it is marked as read on the other. Cheers, Anne On Sep 29, 2009, at 10:55 PM, Kevin Gibbs wrote: If it doesn't sync messages, why did Pam get what I would guess was every message that was online downloaded to her Touch? am I to understand that if she deletes a message from her Touch and then opens her Mac Mail program, the same message she has already read on her Touch will appear in her Mac's Inbox as new? ? It seems that would be the test of whether deleting from the Touch altered the online contents. Thanks, Kevin -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Holly Anderson Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:27 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Updating mail and iPod Touch Hi. NO the ipod touch doesn't sink messages just mail settings. so the messages will not be deleted from the account. Holly On Sep 29, 2009, at 1:19 AM, Kevin Gibbs wrote: Guys, My wife just bought an iPod touch and I got a chance to play with it a little. Amazing. I just have a question. She has her .Mac account pushing to the iPod. She received about 700 messages downloaded to her iPod and deleted many of them because she had already read them on her computer. Muy only concern is, if she syncs her iPod to her computer, will the messages she deleted from her iPod be deleted from her mail acount? I don't think she wants that to happen and I am concerned that when she connects the iPod Touch to charge the battery, it might delete mail she doesn't want deleted if she isn't careful. Any ideas? Kevin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: VPN revisited
This may sound dumb but for my information, could you please let me know what a VPN is. Thanks, Christina On Sep 29, 2009, at 2:34 PM, Donal Fitzpatrick wrote: Hi all, Ok I've been playing around with two VPN clients since I raised this topic about a month ago. The two clients I've looked at are Tunnelblick and Viscosity. In case anyone needs to use a VPN, my thoughts on both are given below. 1. Viscosity. I chose this one first because, as Esther said at the time this topic was discussed, it supports applescript. The installation for this application follows standard OSX conventions, and creates no problems with VO whatsoever. The application is not very accessible in the typical sense of the word. It uses a status menu (NSStatusItem which it locates in the vicinity of time machine, and the other Extra menu items Apple use. Problems with such status menus are well documented here and on other lists so I won't delve into that again. However, suffice it to say that because the status menu is inaccessible, it precludes getting to the menu items, preferences dialog and other aspects of the software. I did ask a sighted colleague to open the preferences dialog for me, and it was navigable, but not easily so. I mentioned earlier that Viscosity does support applescript. One can easily create scripts to connect to, and disconnect from the VPN. This feature makes the application usable. Finally, I'd like to acknowledge the developer of this application. During an email exchange, he acknowledged that the app could do with some work, and also succinctly explained the issues with the NSStatusItem. He has told me that he and other developers have been on to Apple regarding this issue, and await their response. 2. Tunnelblick. This application is very similar to Viscosity described above. However, it is an opensource project, and as such the source code is available. Once again, the installation process is no problem. However, the same issues regarding NSStatusItems emerge; that is, it creates one which cannot be reached using VO. A little digging on the TunnelBlick wiki produced documentation on the preferences, which can be found in a .plist file located in ~/ library/preferences. Editing this file in the normal way, (using some educated guesswork) I could actually configure the application to both start wen I logged on, and also to automatically connect to the VPN thereby negating the need to go near the inaccessible status menu. Finally on this application, while it does not, to the best of my knowledge support applescript, it does come with a command-line interface called openvpnstart. One has to drill down into the application package (using terminal) to run this app. Also, root privileges seem to be required to run it. However, this can be scripted using the usual shell-scripts and this approach also works quite well. So in summary, the two clients I've looked at are inaccessible in one sense, but are in fact usable with a little tweaking and experimentation. I hope this helps people, and might just save some time for others in the future. Cheers, Donal --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: VPN revisited
Hi Christina, VPN stands for virtual Private Network. Basically, it allows me to connect into my work network from home. I can see the network disks, send mail, and access all the resources I need to access as though I'm in the office. hth Donal On 29 Sep 2009, at 23:25, Christina wrote: This may sound dumb but for my information, could you please let me know what a VPN is. Thanks, Christina On Sep 29, 2009, at 2:34 PM, Donal Fitzpatrick wrote: Hi all, Ok I've been playing around with two VPN clients since I raised this topic about a month ago. The two clients I've looked at are Tunnelblick and Viscosity. In case anyone needs to use a VPN, my thoughts on both are given below. 1. Viscosity. I chose this one first because, as Esther said at the time this topic was discussed, it supports applescript. The installation for this application follows standard OSX conventions, and creates no problems with VO whatsoever. The application is not very accessible in the typical sense of the word. It uses a status menu (NSStatusItem which it locates in the vicinity of time machine, and the other Extra menu items Apple use. Problems with such status menus are well documented here and on other lists so I won't delve into that again. However, suffice it to say that because the status menu is inaccessible, it precludes getting to the menu items, preferences dialog and other aspects of the software. I did ask a sighted colleague to open the preferences dialog for me, and it was navigable, but not easily so. I mentioned earlier that Viscosity does support applescript. One can easily create scripts to connect to, and disconnect from the VPN. This feature makes the application usable. Finally, I'd like to acknowledge the developer of this application. During an email exchange, he acknowledged that the app could do with some work, and also succinctly explained the issues with the NSStatusItem. He has told me that he and other developers have been on to Apple regarding this issue, and await their response. 2. Tunnelblick. This application is very similar to Viscosity described above. However, it is an opensource project, and as such the source code is available. Once again, the installation process is no problem. However, the same issues regarding NSStatusItems emerge; that is, it creates one which cannot be reached using VO. A little digging on the TunnelBlick wiki produced documentation on the preferences, which can be found in a .plist file located in ~/ library/preferences. Editing this file in the normal way, (using some educated guesswork) I could actually configure the application to both start wen I logged on, and also to automatically connect to the VPN thereby negating the need to go near the inaccessible status menu. Finally on this application, while it does not, to the best of my knowledge support applescript, it does come with a command-line interface called openvpnstart. One has to drill down into the application package (using terminal) to run this app. Also, root privileges seem to be required to run it. However, this can be scripted using the usual shell-scripts and this approach also works quite well. So in summary, the two clients I've looked at are inaccessible in one sense, but are in fact usable with a little tweaking and experimentation. I hope this helps people, and might just save some time for others in the future. Cheers, Donal --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: VPN revisited
Oh, thanks that makes perfect sense. :) Thanks, Christina On Sep 29, 2009, at 3:28 PM, Donal Fitzpatrick wrote: Hi Christina, VPN stands for virtual Private Network. Basically, it allows me to connect into my work network from home. I can see the network disks, send mail, and access all the resources I need to access as though I'm in the office. hth Donal On 29 Sep 2009, at 23:25, Christina wrote: This may sound dumb but for my information, could you please let me know what a VPN is. Thanks, Christina On Sep 29, 2009, at 2:34 PM, Donal Fitzpatrick wrote: Hi all, Ok I've been playing around with two VPN clients since I raised this topic about a month ago. The two clients I've looked at are Tunnelblick and Viscosity. In case anyone needs to use a VPN, my thoughts on both are given below. 1. Viscosity. I chose this one first because, as Esther said at the time this topic was discussed, it supports applescript. The installation for this application follows standard OSX conventions, and creates no problems with VO whatsoever. The application is not very accessible in the typical sense of the word. It uses a status menu (NSStatusItem which it locates in the vicinity of time machine, and the other Extra menu items Apple use. Problems with such status menus are well documented here and on other lists so I won't delve into that again. However, suffice it to say that because the status menu is inaccessible, it precludes getting to the menu items, preferences dialog and other aspects of the software. I did ask a sighted colleague to open the preferences dialog for me, and it was navigable, but not easily so. I mentioned earlier that Viscosity does support applescript. One can easily create scripts to connect to, and disconnect from the VPN. This feature makes the application usable. Finally, I'd like to acknowledge the developer of this application. During an email exchange, he acknowledged that the app could do with some work, and also succinctly explained the issues with the NSStatusItem. He has told me that he and other developers have been on to Apple regarding this issue, and await their response. 2. Tunnelblick. This application is very similar to Viscosity described above. However, it is an opensource project, and as such the source code is available. Once again, the installation process is no problem. However, the same issues regarding NSStatusItems emerge; that is, it creates one which cannot be reached using VO. A little digging on the TunnelBlick wiki produced documentation on the preferences, which can be found in a .plist file located in ~/ library/preferences. Editing this file in the normal way, (using some educated guesswork) I could actually configure the application to both start wen I logged on, and also to automatically connect to the VPN thereby negating the need to go near the inaccessible status menu. Finally on this application, while it does not, to the best of my knowledge support applescript, it does come with a command-line interface called openvpnstart. One has to drill down into the application package (using terminal) to run this app. Also, root privileges seem to be required to run it. However, this can be scripted using the usual shell-scripts and this approach also works quite well. So in summary, the two clients I've looked at are inaccessible in one sense, but are in fact usable with a little tweaking and experimentation. I hope this helps people, and might just save some time for others in the future. Cheers, Donal --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
numbers guide
Good evening all, as i have been playing around with numbers lately. a few questions come to mind. 1. how does one open a blank worksheet with out all of the options like budget shopping lists and other formatting choices being selected? 2 after opening this new work sheet can one edit formulas similar to excel? 3 is there some sort of getting started guide for numbers? any information is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: numbers guide
Hello, I have just purchased Iworks and you just use the blank template and as far as I can tell the formulas are the same as excel. Steve On Sep 29, 2009, at 6:29 PM, peter apgar wrote: Good evening all, as i have been playing around with numbers lately. a few questions come to mind. 1. how does one open a blank worksheet with out all of the options like budget shopping lists and other formatting choices being selected? 2 after opening this new work sheet can one edit formulas similar to excel? 3 is there some sort of getting started guide for numbers? any information is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
a few intro questions re: applications and voiceover
Hello all, I recently got my apple a couple weeks ago, and have been hunting for a few solutions to give me the functionality I had on windows. First, I'm a full-time coder, what time I don't devote to anything I code for a hobby. I'm looking for a good, accessible editor; any ideas? I'd specifically love something that would announce indents when working with python. Beyond that, I just need a good editor. Second, I tend to mud quite frequently and would like to find a mud client that I can easily use with the ease that I could use mush and Jaws. I realize that I will probably have to learn new commands, new ways of doing things, but I'd love to have a client that I could use easily and efficiently. I love pkilling, so I need something that I can function quickly with. I tried a few muds, tintin, udwalker, and atlantas. I love tintin, but voiceover still seems ot have issues reading things in the terminal, especially when using screen. It also announces two blank lines between each new block of text, which gets annoying because the blank lines aren't actually there. Mudwalker looked ok, but it ffroze the whole system when you input half of the URL. Atlantas looked the best, but there's an issue with it reading. It looks as if the input box is separated from the main box, so the idea would get voiceover to read the output box like it reads the shell window in terminal. Branching off of this, is there a workaround to get voiceover to properly work with screen? Last couple questions, I think. I frequently listen to audio books when I'm not coding or mudding, but I haven't managed to find a player that allows me to jump around if it's a long book. Any idea if there is something out there that plays ogg/mp3 mainly that will allow this? I like cog, but it has issues jumping around. Last, sometimes voiceover will randomly announce row number expanded when that row doesn't need to be expanded or wasn't as far as I know. Any way of fixing this? Lastly, I'd love to get into programming for the mac. I already know c+ + and a few other languages, so developing apps shouldn't be to far off. Is there an accessible editor that will allow me to use coco? I found a tutorial on xcode, but after getting to placing controls, it was drag and drop from one window to the next, and I couldn't find another way to insert controls. Sorry for all the questions, answers to any of them would really be appriciated. I'd like to just toss windows and put linux on that laptop, but I need to obtain the proficiency in what I like doing with the mac before I can do that. I've switched to everything else, just haven't managed to find everything that I need. Tia, Tyler --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: VPN revisited
Christina, just for some more food for thought. A VPN does not have to be toa corporate network. You can also use one to jump onto your network at your home while away from home. Frank -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christina Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 4:26 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: VPN revisited Oh, thanks that makes perfect sense. :) Thanks, Christina On Sep 29, 2009, at 3:28 PM, Donal Fitzpatrick wrote: Hi Christina, VPN stands for virtual Private Network. Basically, it allows me to connect into my work network from home. I can see the network disks, send mail, and access all the resources I need to access as though I'm in the office. hth Donal On 29 Sep 2009, at 23:25, Christina wrote: This may sound dumb but for my information, could you please let me know what a VPN is. Thanks, Christina On Sep 29, 2009, at 2:34 PM, Donal Fitzpatrick wrote: Hi all, Ok I've been playing around with two VPN clients since I raised this topic about a month ago. The two clients I've looked at are Tunnelblick and Viscosity. In case anyone needs to use a VPN, my thoughts on both are given below. 1. Viscosity. I chose this one first because, as Esther said at the time this topic was discussed, it supports applescript. The installation for this application follows standard OSX conventions, and creates no problems with VO whatsoever. The application is not very accessible in the typical sense of the word. It uses a status menu (NSStatusItem which it locates in the vicinity of time machine, and the other Extra menu items Apple use. Problems with such status menus are well documented here and on other lists so I won't delve into that again. However, suffice it to say that because the status menu is inaccessible, it precludes getting to the menu items, preferences dialog and other aspects of the software. I did ask a sighted colleague to open the preferences dialog for me, and it was navigable, but not easily so. I mentioned earlier that Viscosity does support applescript. One can easily create scripts to connect to, and disconnect from the VPN. This feature makes the application usable. Finally, I'd like to acknowledge the developer of this application. During an email exchange, he acknowledged that the app could do with some work, and also succinctly explained the issues with the NSStatusItem. He has told me that he and other developers have been on to Apple regarding this issue, and await their response. 2. Tunnelblick. This application is very similar to Viscosity described above. However, it is an opensource project, and as such the source code is available. Once again, the installation process is no problem. However, the same issues regarding NSStatusItems emerge; that is, it creates one which cannot be reached using VO. A little digging on the TunnelBlick wiki produced documentation on the preferences, which can be found in a .plist file located in ~/ library/preferences. Editing this file in the normal way, (using some educated guesswork) I could actually configure the application to both start wen I logged on, and also to automatically connect to the VPN thereby negating the need to go near the inaccessible status menu. Finally on this application, while it does not, to the best of my knowledge support applescript, it does come with a command-line interface called openvpnstart. One has to drill down into the application package (using terminal) to run this app. Also, root privileges seem to be required to run it. However, this can be scripted using the usual shell-scripts and this approach also works quite well. So in summary, the two clients I've looked at are inaccessible in one sense, but are in fact usable with a little tweaking and experimentation. I hope this helps people, and might just save some time for others in the future. Cheers, Donal --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
