How do I get the preview pane back?

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

I tried setting up my mail with no preview pane.  I don't like it.  lol.  I'm 
trying to get the preview pane back and can't.  Can someone please tell me how 
to get the preview pane back in mail?

tia

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re: formatting envelopes in pages

[Amber Pearcy]

HI Anne, Collin, and other listers,

I have actually already thought of selecting the text, but this still does not 
help the situation.  I type in the selected font size, and voice over reads the 
new number in the edit field; however, when I hide the font dialog and return 
to my template, the fonts are still the same.  Sometimes part of the text while 
change font size, and  part will not.  If no one has any suggestions or work 
arounds, I have considered e-mailing Apple accessibility to see if they have 
any suggestions.

Thanks in advance for any other assistance you can offer.

Amber

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Re: Bookmarks issues

[Eric Oyen]

did you try to just right arrow into it?
thats what always works for me on all menus, including bookmarks.

-Eric

On Oct 5, 2010, at 8:21 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

> Hi:
> I have two tables, the one that has the history, imported October 5, top 
> sites, etc folder. I go to the October 5 imported. The next table has the 50+ 
> folders. I arrow to the news folder. It says it is collapsed, and has 55 
> items. I cannot open it to go to the bookmarks inside. I've vo backslashed, 
> mouse click, vo shift m, vo o, etc. No luck.
> On Oct 5, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> Hello. you need to vo right to the list which is the second table.
>> 
>> good luck. Oh and do this from safari itself.
>> 
>> S
>> On Oct 5, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi:
>>> I have no clue why the Safari bookmarks get me in trouble! Okay, here is 
>>> the issue. At first, I could only see 1 folder of bookmarks, and every time 
>>> I'd attempt to open I'd hear VO say open file. So, I figured my MobleMe 
>>> syncing went aray. So, I reset sync preferences, and sank again. No luck! 
>>> Importing favorites didn't work! I see all folders, but I cannot open them 
>>> to access the favorites! I'm out of options. Here is what I've done.
>>> 1. Disabled MobleMe Sync.
>>> 2. Erased safari files in prefs.
>>> 3. Reset Safari settings.
>>> 4. Went to IE, exported favorites as file.
>>> 5. Went to Safari, imported favorites, I.E. bookmark html file. Now I see 
>>> all folders in bookmarks.
>>> 6. Rebooted Mac. 
>>> 7. I can see all bookmarks, hear there are items in the folders, but cannot 
>>> expand them to access the bookmarks in the folders, i.e. news folder, CNN 
>>> bookmark. Quick nav is off.
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Re: Bookmarks issues

[Ray Foret Jr]

Here's an example which may help you.

IN my book marks, I have a folder called "accounts sites".  This folder, which 
occurs as an entry at the table on the left, is whast I arrow to.  Then, I use 
VO+command+t to go to the table on the right; because, that's the place where 
the account book marks are.  I arrow to the book mark I want, then, just press 
space.

HTH.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!

E-Mail:
rforetjr at comcast dot net
Skype Name:
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On Oct 5, 2010, at 10:21 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

Hi:
I have two tables, the one that has the history, imported October 5, top sites, 
etc folder. I go to the October 5 imported. The next table has the 50+ folders. 
I arrow to the news folder. It says it is collapsed, and has 55 items. I cannot 
open it to go to the bookmarks inside. I've vo backslashed, mouse click, vo 
shift m, vo o, etc. No luck.
On Oct 5, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> Hello. you need to vo right to the list which is the second table.
> 
> good luck. Oh and do this from safari itself.
> 
> S
> On Oct 5, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
> 
>> Hi:
>> I have no clue why the Safari bookmarks get me in trouble! Okay, here is the 
>> issue. At first, I could only see 1 folder of bookmarks, and every time I'd 
>> attempt to open I'd hear VO say open file. So, I figured my MobleMe syncing 
>> went aray. So, I reset sync preferences, and sank again. No luck! Importing 
>> favorites didn't work! I see all folders, but I cannot open them to access 
>> the favorites! I'm out of options. Here is what I've done.
>> 1. Disabled MobleMe Sync.
>> 2. Erased safari files in prefs.
>> 3. Reset Safari settings.
>> 4. Went to IE, exported favorites as file.
>> 5. Went to Safari, imported favorites, I.E. bookmark html file. Now I see 
>> all folders in bookmarks.
>> 6. Rebooted Mac. 
>> 7. I can see all bookmarks, hear there are items in the folders, but cannot 
>> expand them to access the bookmarks in the folders, i.e. news folder, CNN 
>> bookmark. Quick nav is off.
>> 
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Re: Bookmarks issues

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
I have two tables, the one that has the history, imported October 5, top sites, 
etc folder. I go to the October 5 imported. The next table has the 50+ folders. 
I arrow to the news folder. It says it is collapsed, and has 55 items. I cannot 
open it to go to the bookmarks inside. I've vo backslashed, mouse click, vo 
shift m, vo o, etc. No luck.
On Oct 5, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> Hello. you need to vo right to the list which is the second table.
> 
> good luck. Oh and do this from safari itself.
> 
> S
> On Oct 5, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
> 
>> Hi:
>> I have no clue why the Safari bookmarks get me in trouble! Okay, here is the 
>> issue. At first, I could only see 1 folder of bookmarks, and every time I'd 
>> attempt to open I'd hear VO say open file. So, I figured my MobleMe syncing 
>> went aray. So, I reset sync preferences, and sank again. No luck! Importing 
>> favorites didn't work! I see all folders, but I cannot open them to access 
>> the favorites! I'm out of options. Here is what I've done.
>> 1. Disabled MobleMe Sync.
>> 2. Erased safari files in prefs.
>> 3. Reset Safari settings.
>> 4. Went to IE, exported favorites as file.
>> 5. Went to Safari, imported favorites, I.E. bookmark html file. Now I see 
>> all folders in bookmarks.
>> 6. Rebooted Mac. 
>> 7. I can see all bookmarks, hear there are items in the folders, but cannot 
>> expand them to access the bookmarks in the folders, i.e. news folder, CNN 
>> bookmark. Quick nav is off.
>> 
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Re: bookshare, Switching to the Mac: The Missing Manual,

[Sarah Alawami]

Yeah I might grab that too. but too bad it is not in a password protected epub 
if such a thing exists. *grins*

S
On Oct 5, 2010, at 5:43 PM, Linda Adams wrote:

> Hi Heather.  I have Bookshare until November 11, so I will look there for 
> you.  Let me know if you usually prefer braille or Daisy, and I will scout 
> around and see if that book is obtainable anywhere in an accessible format. 
> That sounds like it would be helpful for me, too.
> 
> Linda Adams
> 
> - Original Message - From: "heather kd5cbl" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 5:49 PM
> Subject: bookshare, Switching to the Mac: The Missing Manual,
> 
> 
>> Hello, I am looking for Switching to the Mac: The Missing Manual because my 
>> bookshare just ended.  Please does anyone know if you can obtain it in 
>> electronic format somewhere else?  thank you Heather
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Re: Bookmarks issues

[Sarah Alawami]

Hello. you need to vo right to the list which is the second table.

good luck. Oh and do this from safari itself.

S
On Oct 5, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

> Hi:
> I have no clue why the Safari bookmarks get me in trouble! Okay, here is the 
> issue. At first, I could only see 1 folder of bookmarks, and every time I'd 
> attempt to open I'd hear VO say open file. So, I figured my MobleMe syncing 
> went aray. So, I reset sync preferences, and sank again. No luck! Importing 
> favorites didn't work! I see all folders, but I cannot open them to access 
> the favorites! I'm out of options. Here is what I've done.
> 1. Disabled MobleMe Sync.
> 2. Erased safari files in prefs.
> 3. Reset Safari settings.
> 4. Went to IE, exported favorites as file.
> 5. Went to Safari, imported favorites, I.E. bookmark html file. Now I see all 
> folders in bookmarks.
> 6. Rebooted Mac. 
> 7. I can see all bookmarks, hear there are items in the folders, but cannot 
> expand them to access the bookmarks in the folders, i.e. news folder, CNN 
> bookmark. Quick nav is off.
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Bookmarks issues

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
I have no clue why the Safari bookmarks get me in trouble! Okay, here is the 
issue. At first, I could only see 1 folder of bookmarks, and every time I'd 
attempt to open I'd hear VO say open file. So, I figured my MobleMe syncing 
went aray. So, I reset sync preferences, and sank again. No luck! Importing 
favorites didn't work! I see all folders, but I cannot open them to access the 
favorites! I'm out of options. Here is what I've done.
1. Disabled MobleMe Sync.
2. Erased safari files in prefs.
3. Reset Safari settings.
4. Went to IE, exported favorites as file.
5. Went to Safari, imported favorites, I.E. bookmark html file. Now I see all 
folders in bookmarks.
6. Rebooted Mac. 
7. I can see all bookmarks, hear there are items in the folders, but cannot 
expand them to access the bookmarks in the folders, i.e. news folder, CNN 
bookmark. Quick nav is off.

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Re: Switching To The Mac

[heather kd5cbl]

Oh, thank you so much!  I get my mac on Friday so I am trying to read 
everything on it!  I usually use the BRF format and read it with my notetaker!  
Thank you again! Heather 

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Switching To The Mac

[Linda Adams]

Hi, Heather.  I found three books with this title on Bookshare:  A Snow Leopard 
2009 edition, a Leopard edition, and a Tiger edition.  If you want to let me 
know what format you prefer, I will look for your specific edition elsewhere.  

Linda Adams

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Re: bookshare, Switching to the Mac: The Missing Manual,

[Linda Adams]

Hi Heather.  I have Bookshare until November 11, so I will look there for 
you.  Let me know if you usually prefer braille or Daisy, and I will scout 
around and see if that book is obtainable anywhere in an accessible format. 
That sounds like it would be helpful for me, too.


Linda Adams

- Original Message - 
From: "heather kd5cbl" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 5:49 PM
Subject: bookshare, Switching to the Mac: The Missing Manual,


Hello, I am looking for Switching to the Mac: The Missing Manual because 
my bookshare just ended.  Please does anyone know if you can obtain it in 
electronic format somewhere else?  thank you Heather

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Re: Navigating mail and Safari

[Sarah Alawami]

For some reason I don't feel confertable using eh track pad buI can use it 
comfertable on the iphone. Hmm I wonder why? maybe it's just me.
On Oct 5, 2010, at 5:08 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> For a laptop, by far the best way to navigate in my opinion is to use the 
> track pad.
> On Oct 5, 2010, at 12:42 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> Actually you can use the number commander with a laptop keyboard. Just hold 
>> down one of the arrow keys, actually I think it's the right arrow and use 
>> the number row.
>> 
>> S
>> On Oct 5, 2010, at 5:56 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Linda,
>>> 
>>> I've never been a Windows user but I might be able to help with some 
>>> answers.
>>> On 5 Oct 2010, at 00:25, Linda Adams wrote:
 
 On a more specific note, is there anything that I can set in System 
 Preferences or VoiceOver Utility to get rid of the table view in Mail and 
 switch it
 to a list view so that there aren't as many navigation steps to go through 
 to read messages?
>>> There are basically two ways of reading mail, either with the preview pane 
>>> (the default setting), or without it. I prefer the second where the 
>>> righthand part of the screen contains a list of messages and the lefthand 
>>> part, a list of mailboxes. The messages on the right are in the mailbox 
>>> selected on the left.
>>> 
>>> You can arrow down the messages and either press Return to read one, or 
>>> press Delete to get rid of one. You can also press Command-a to select all 
>>> and delete the whole lot at once if you like.
>>> 
 Are there settings that I can do to allow me to read a website line by 
 line from the top of the page to the bottom in Safari?  I like to go to 
 catalog websites
 such as LL Bean or The Vermont Country Store where there are plain text 
 descriptions of every product below that product link.  I want to see the 
 web pages
 as they really are rather than just being shown links, headers, or other 
 such element groups.
>>> It sounds as though you would prefer to navigate websites in Groups mode.
>>> 
 My hands are quite small.  Is it possible to change settings so that not 
 as many keys need to be pressed at a time to perform functions?  I know 
 about Quick Nav and locking the VoiceOver keys, but the VoiceOver keys 
 often need to be unlocked to perform other commands.  
 
>>> You could always configure Keyboard Commander to take care of those 
>>> commands that require too many key presses. Also, the Trackpad Commander 
>>> allows you to do most things one-handed. Also, if you have an extended 
>>> keyboard or a USB or BlueTooth number pad, you could use the Numpad 
>>> Commander.
>>> 
>>> VoiceOver is highly configurable to suit your needs.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
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Re: Navigating mail and Safari

[Mike Arrigo]

For a laptop, by far the best way to navigate in my opinion is to use the track 
pad.
On Oct 5, 2010, at 12:42 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> Actually you can use the number commander with a laptop keyboard. Just hold 
> down one of the arrow keys, actually I think it's the right arrow and use the 
> number row.
> 
> S
> On Oct 5, 2010, at 5:56 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
> 
>> Hello Linda,
>> 
>> I've never been a Windows user but I might be able to help with some answers.
>> On 5 Oct 2010, at 00:25, Linda Adams wrote:
>>> 
>>> On a more specific note, is there anything that I can set in System 
>>> Preferences or VoiceOver Utility to get rid of the table view in Mail and 
>>> switch it
>>> to a list view so that there aren't as many navigation steps to go through 
>>> to read messages?
>> There are basically two ways of reading mail, either with the preview pane 
>> (the default setting), or without it. I prefer the second where the 
>> righthand part of the screen contains a list of messages and the lefthand 
>> part, a list of mailboxes. The messages on the right are in the mailbox 
>> selected on the left.
>> 
>> You can arrow down the messages and either press Return to read one, or 
>> press Delete to get rid of one. You can also press Command-a to select all 
>> and delete the whole lot at once if you like.
>> 
>>> Are there settings that I can do to allow me to read a website line by line 
>>> from the top of the page to the bottom in Safari?  I like to go to catalog 
>>> websites
>>> such as LL Bean or The Vermont Country Store where there are plain text 
>>> descriptions of every product below that product link.  I want to see the 
>>> web pages
>>> as they really are rather than just being shown links, headers, or other 
>>> such element groups.
>> It sounds as though you would prefer to navigate websites in Groups mode.
>> 
>>> My hands are quite small.  Is it possible to change settings so that not as 
>>> many keys need to be pressed at a time to perform functions?  I know about 
>>> Quick Nav and locking the VoiceOver keys, but the VoiceOver keys often need 
>>> to be unlocked to perform other commands.  
>>> 
>> You could always configure Keyboard Commander to take care of those commands 
>> that require too many key presses. Also, the Trackpad Commander allows you 
>> to do most things one-handed. Also, if you have an extended keyboard or a 
>> USB or BlueTooth number pad, you could use the Numpad Commander.
>> 
>> VoiceOver is highly configurable to suit your needs.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
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bookshare, Switching to the Mac: The Missing Manual,

[heather kd5cbl]

Hello, I am looking for Switching to the Mac: The Missing Manual because my 
bookshare just ended.  Please does anyone know if you can obtain it in 
electronic format somewhere else?  thank you Heather 


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Re: Navigating mail and Safari

[Laura Bratton]

Geof,
Could you give details about using the track pad?
Thanks,
Laura

GEOFF WAALER wrote:
> Hi Linda,
>
> What flavor of Mac do you have?  Does it have a trackpad?  If so would you be 
> willing to consider that interface as an alternative to the keyboard?
>
> Personally I became extremely disgusted with the fact that all VO commands 
> required anywhere from three to five keys which often had no rhyme nor reason 
> to them (e.g. control-option-u for the rotor when the letter u is absent from 
> the word rotor), or the way you were often forced to remove hands from the 
> home keys to enter for example control-option-shift-f3 to toggle cursor 
> tracking since the macbook pro lacks a control on the right side.
>
> I realize that personal preferences vary, but I began using the trackpad 
> almost exclusively and now find reviewing email and web navigation very 
> comfortable and fast using MacOs and voiceOver.  I will share some details if 
> the trackpad is even applicable in your situation.  If you are going to stay 
> with the keyboard, I'm afraid Sarah has your best answer on this thread so 
> far -- essentially that you're SOL.
>
> Best regards.
> Geoff
>
> On Oct 4, 2010, at 6:25 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
>
> > Hello, everyone.  I am Linda Adams, a very new and inexperienced user of an 
> > Apple Snow Leopard 10.6.  I have been a Windoes user for ten years, and now
> > I am experimenting to see if the Apple Snow Leopard will be comfortably 
> > accessible.
> >
> > My computer technician friend has been worried for a while about the
> > increasing security problems with Windows computers and is wanting me to 
> > switch to Apple.  I would be very interested to hear from former Windows 
> > users
> > regarding what benefits they experience with Apple versus the Windows PC 
> > computer.
> > On a more specific note, is there anything that I can set in System 
> > Preferences or VoiceOver Utility to get rid of the table view in Mail and 
> > switch it
> > to a list view so that there aren't as many navigation steps to go through 
> > to read messages?
> > Are there settings that I can do to allow me to read a website line by line 
> > from the top of the page to the bottom in Safari?  I like to go to catalog 
> > websites
> > such as LL Bean or The Vermont Country Store where there are plain text 
> > descriptions of every product below that product link.  I want to see the 
> > web pages
> > as they really are rather than just being shown links, headers, or other 
> > such element groups.
> > My hands are quite small.  Is it possible to change settings so that not as 
> > many keys need to be pressed at a time to perform functions?  I know about 
> > Quick Nav and locking the VoiceOver keys, but the VoiceOver keys often need 
> > to be unlocked to perform other commands.
> > Thank you for any advice and help that you can give me.  I have three 
> > friends counting on me to tell them whether Apple would be good to switch 
> > to or not.
> >
> > Linda Adams
> >
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Voiceover dictionary in Apple Script.

[GEOFF WAALER]

Greetings,

When I open the Apple Script editor and select file -> open dictionary -> 
voiceover.app, the resulting dialog makes absolutely no sense.

There seems to be a view group consisting of three unlabeled check boxes that 
behave like radio buttons since checking one causes the other two to be 
unselected.  There are also groups labeled "back forward" and "text size".  I 
tried entering something in the terminology search field but no results 
appeared.

I assumed I might know what to do with items once I found them in the 
dictionary, but perhaps someone could suggest a documentation source?

TIA for any insight and best regards.
Geoff

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RE: using track changes and comments in pages

[Paul Hunt]

So we learn about IWork but do our work in Microsoft Office products until
Apple gets serious and steps up to the plate in IWork.

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Subject: Re: using track changes and comments in pages

Track change requires that the focus can be monitored real time. If you
click on edit, track change, track change bar appears under the regular menu
bar. While you can accept, reject, and or ignore any changes made on the
document, you cannot tell which word or sentence or letter is being edited
because VO does not track the track change area while reading the body text.
That being said, I am producing and editing with track changes all the time
and can only be successful with the use of MS word on Boot camp side. 
I know that this is not the answer that you want to hear but for now, that
is the way it is as far as I know.

On Oct 4, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Greg Aikens wrote:

> Hey people,
> I asked this question before but got no response. I'm still trying to
figure out how to make use of the track changes and comment features in
pages. I have a document which my professor has marked up with corrections
and I need to figure out where each correction goes. Any help is
appreciated... Come on power pages users...
> 
> -Greg
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RE: using track changes and comments in pages

[Paul Hunt]

Hello Scott. I wish I could be confident that Apple is really listening
especially to the IWork feedback. Gaming and music are very nice and could
help some people make a living but IWork is essential for the masses.



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This is something we need to ping APple about and repeatedly. 
On Oct 5, 2010, at 1:09 AM, Braille wrote:

> Track change requires that the focus can be monitored real time. If you
click on edit, track change, track change bar appears under the regular menu
bar. While you can accept, reject, and or ignore any changes made on the
document, you cannot tell which word or sentence or letter is being edited
because VO does not track the track change area while reading the body text.
That being said, I am producing and editing with track changes all the time
and can only be successful with the use of MS word on Boot camp side. 
> I know that this is not the answer that you want to hear but for now, that
is the way it is as far as I know.
> 
> On Oct 4, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Greg Aikens wrote:
> 
>> Hey people,
>> I asked this question before but got no response. I'm still trying to
figure out how to make use of the track changes and comment features in
pages. I have a document which my professor has marked up with corrections
and I need to figure out where each correction goes. Any help is
appreciated... Come on power pages users...
>> 
>> -Greg
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Location of the time of day script.

[GEOFF WAALER]

Greetings,

In keyboard commander, option-t is attached to a script called "time of day", 
though I could not ascertain the path.  I also tried setting up a search in 
finder and  spotlight search, but have not yet located this script.  The fact 
that option-t does indeed output the time when keyboard commander is enabled is 
strong evidence that this script exists and I'm not using the correct procedure 
to locate it.

My objective is to attach it to an option under trackpad commander, but this 
script does not appear in the dialog which by default shows a path to other 
sample scripts.

TIA for any advice and best regards.

Geoff

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Re: voiceover manual for IOS4?

[cathyk]

Thanks Esther - this is a big help, and what I was looking for!  I'm
heartened to learn that someone is compiling a guide, and I was
pleased to see Hadley jumping in with a course.  And somehow I missed
your wonderful post from a couple of months ago, so I appreciate you
sending it again.  Finally, thanks Erik for the Applevis info, and
bravo for those breakthrough moments!  May we all have them early and
often,
cathyk

On Oct 5, 12:31 pm, Esther  wrote:
> Hi Erik, Cathy, Isaac, and Others,
>
> First a correction to the link I gave Erik.  The accessible HTML  
> version of the iPhone 4 manual is at:
>
> http://help.apple.com/iphone/4/voiceover/en
>
> The accessible HTML version of the iPhone 3 manual (for those who did  
> not upgrade to iOS 4) is at:
>
> http://help.apple.com/iphone/3/voiceover/en
>
> I copied this incorrectly from a post to the viphone list.  Apple has  
> been changing the address format for the accessible HTML version for  
> iOS4, so that there are versions for different languages indicated by  
> the two letter code at the end.  The "en" for the English version is  
> what I left off.  There are now accessible HTML versions in languages  
> corresponding to two letter codes for "fr" for French, "es" for  
> Spanish, "de" for German, "it" for Italian, "nl" for Dutch, "el" for  
> Greek, "pt" for Portuguese, "ja" for Japanese, "ko" for Korean, "da"  
> for Danish, "sv" for Swedish, "no" for Norwegian, "fi" for Finnish,  
> "hu" for Hungarian, "id" for Indonesian, "lt" for Lithuanian, "pl" for  
> Polish, "ro" for Romanian, "sk" for Slovak, "bg" for Bulgarian, "tr"  
> for Turkish, and probably others.
>
> I should mention that these appear to be converted from the PDF  
> versions of the user guides found in:http://support.apple.com/manuals/
>
> Some of the characters are still odd, and they look in the state that  
> the English version of the iPhone users guide for iOS 4 looked,  
> shortly before its release.
>
> Anyway, for the English iPhone User Guide (iOS 4), the chapter on  
> accessibility starts 
> at:http://help.apple.com/iphone/4/voiceover/en/iph3e2e2c13.html
>
> and the section specifically about VoiceOver starts 
> at:http://help.apple.com/iphone/4/voiceover/en/iph3e2e4218.html
>
> (You might want to start reading one level higher under Accessibility  
> for information about low vision usage settings, or if you also have  
> hearing disabilities).   What I did when I got my iPod Touch was  
> create a link to this section of the User Guide on my home page for  
> easy reference.  After you open the section of the guide you want to  
> link in Safari (on your iPhone or iPod Touch), double tap the  
> "Utilities" button at the bottom of the screen, just above the "Home"  
> button.  You'll hear VoiceOver announce the first utilities option,  
> "Add Bookmark, button".  Flick right (or run your finger vertically  
> down the bottom half of the screen to hear the options) to the "Add to  
> Home Screen Button", and double tap.  Then whenever you need to access  
> the manual to review the descirption of gestures, keyboard shortcuts,  
> text entry, etc. you can just double tap the icon on your home screen  
> to bring up this section in Safari.
>
> Richard Turner (on the viphone list) also converted a copy of the PDF  
> version of the iPhone User Guide to Word format.  The direct link to  
> the zipped document is:
>
> http://www.turner42.com/iPhone_iOS41_User_Guide.zip
>
> For iPad users there is a free ePub version of the iPad User Guide in  
> the iBook store (but no user guides for the iPhone or iPod Touch there  
> yet).
>
> In addition to the Tech Doctor podcast and Mike Arrigo's podcasts on  
> the iPod Touch on Blind Cool Tech that cathyk mentioned, there are  
> some some other resources like Mark Taylor's Candleshore Blog and  
> Podcast, which had a lot of entries when everyone was getting started  
> a year ago, including some keyboard entry demos.  Apart from the  
> AppleVis site, I'd mention Vision Australia.
>
> I'll paste in a post I made to the mac-access list 2 months ago in  
> response to a new user query for more iPhone resources:
> 
> Hi Paul,
>
> I'll add a few other suggested sites.  To follow up on Chris'  
> suggestion the general Vision Australia link that I posted last month  
> is:http://www.adaptive-tech.org/ess/html/
>
> There's both general information on the iPhone and iPod Touch, and  
> also about the new iOS 4 updates (that added features such as touch  
> typing, the language rotor, application switching, unified mailboxes,  
> new gestures, ability to lock portrait mode, phonetic pronunciation,  
> support for more Bluetooth devices including Braille devices, iBooks,  
> and a number of other things).
>
> The Hadley School for the Blind did a seminar on "Using Apple's iPhone  
> and iTouch" last Spring.  Their web site has the seminar mp3 files and  
> a resource page that lists many of the older podcasts (such as Mike's  
> earlier po

Re: facebook chat

[Ian McNamara]

just get adium and create a facebook logg in on there thats the way to get 
around facebook chat.

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Navigating Mail and Safari

[Linda Adams]

Thank you so much for your help and suggestions for making navigation easier.  
Sometimes just learning from people what to enable and disable for things makes 
all the difference.  

Yes, I tried the trackpad, although I don't know if my Snow Leopard has a Magic 
Trackpad.  I think it is called a Mind-Of-Its-Own trackpad because even when my 
hands were near it, this made mysterious things start happening with the 
computer, so my computer technician friend Rick disabled the trackpad and the 
mouse by plugging in a dongle into the mouse port to make the computer think 
that it had a mouse plugged in.  

My Snow Leopard 10.6 wanted an update last week, and after I updated it, it 
became more uncooperative, so I will have to wait for Rick to see what the 
update might have changed.  Until we get the machine stable again, I probably 
won't be writing because I won't be able to practice until then, but once 
again, thank you so much for all your help.  You have given me a good place 
from which to start now.  

Linda Adams

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Re: voiceover manual for IOS4?

[Esther]

Hi Erik, Cathy, Isaac, and Others,

First a correction to the link I gave Erik.  The accessible HTML  
version of the iPhone 4 manual is at:


http://help.apple.com/iphone/4/voiceover/en

The accessible HTML version of the iPhone 3 manual (for those who did  
not upgrade to iOS 4) is at:


http://help.apple.com/iphone/3/voiceover/en

I copied this incorrectly from a post to the viphone list.  Apple has  
been changing the address format for the accessible HTML version for  
iOS4, so that there are versions for different languages indicated by  
the two letter code at the end.  The "en" for the English version is  
what I left off.  There are now accessible HTML versions in languages  
corresponding to two letter codes for "fr" for French, "es" for  
Spanish, "de" for German, "it" for Italian, "nl" for Dutch, "el" for  
Greek, "pt" for Portuguese, "ja" for Japanese, "ko" for Korean, "da"  
for Danish, "sv" for Swedish, "no" for Norwegian, "fi" for Finnish,  
"hu" for Hungarian, "id" for Indonesian, "lt" for Lithuanian, "pl" for  
Polish, "ro" for Romanian, "sk" for Slovak, "bg" for Bulgarian, "tr"  
for Turkish, and probably others.


I should mention that these appear to be converted from the PDF  
versions of the user guides found in:

http://support.apple.com/manuals/

Some of the characters are still odd, and they look in the state that  
the English version of the iPhone users guide for iOS 4 looked,  
shortly before its release.


Anyway, for the English iPhone User Guide (iOS 4), the chapter on  
accessibility starts at:

http://help.apple.com/iphone/4/voiceover/en/iph3e2e2c13.html

and the section specifically about VoiceOver starts at:
http://help.apple.com/iphone/4/voiceover/en/iph3e2e4218.html

(You might want to start reading one level higher under Accessibility  
for information about low vision usage settings, or if you also have  
hearing disabilities).   What I did when I got my iPod Touch was  
create a link to this section of the User Guide on my home page for  
easy reference.  After you open the section of the guide you want to  
link in Safari (on your iPhone or iPod Touch), double tap the  
"Utilities" button at the bottom of the screen, just above the "Home"  
button.  You'll hear VoiceOver announce the first utilities option,  
"Add Bookmark, button".  Flick right (or run your finger vertically  
down the bottom half of the screen to hear the options) to the "Add to  
Home Screen Button", and double tap.  Then whenever you need to access  
the manual to review the descirption of gestures, keyboard shortcuts,  
text entry, etc. you can just double tap the icon on your home screen  
to bring up this section in Safari.


Richard Turner (on the viphone list) also converted a copy of the PDF  
version of the iPhone User Guide to Word format.  The direct link to  
the zipped document is:


http://www.turner42.com/iPhone_iOS41_User_Guide.zip

For iPad users there is a free ePub version of the iPad User Guide in  
the iBook store (but no user guides for the iPhone or iPod Touch there  
yet).


In addition to the Tech Doctor podcast and Mike Arrigo's podcasts on  
the iPod Touch on Blind Cool Tech that cathyk mentioned, there are  
some some other resources like Mark Taylor's Candleshore Blog and  
Podcast, which had a lot of entries when everyone was getting started  
a year ago, including some keyboard entry demos.  Apart from the  
AppleVis site, I'd mention Vision Australia.


I'll paste in a post I made to the mac-access list 2 months ago in  
response to a new user query for more iPhone resources:


Hi Paul,

I'll add a few other suggested sites.  To follow up on Chris'  
suggestion the general Vision Australia link that I posted last month  
is:

http://www.adaptive-tech.org/ess/html/

There's both general information on the iPhone and iPod Touch, and  
also about the new iOS 4 updates (that added features such as touch  
typing, the language rotor, application switching, unified mailboxes,  
new gestures, ability to lock portrait mode, phonetic pronunciation,  
support for more Bluetooth devices including Braille devices, iBooks,  
and a number of other things).


The Hadley School for the Blind did a seminar on "Using Apple's iPhone  
and iTouch" last Spring.  Their web site has the seminar mp3 files and  
a resource page that lists many of the older podcasts (such as Mike's  
earlier podcast on Blind Cool Tech):

http://www.hadley.edu/2_f_past_seminars.asp

The Serotalk podcasts have kept pretty up to date coverage on the  
iPhone and iPod Touch:

http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/serotalk/id349813889
Web pages at:
http://serotalk.com/

The Mac-cessibility Network - News podcasts
http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=279093812
Also check the web site for tips:
http://www.lioncourt.com/category/quick-tips-iphone/
And especially for the list of accessible iPhone/iPod Touch apps:
http://www.lioncourt.com/voiceover-compatible-iphone-applications/

I'd give y

Re: another dlink issue, this time Iphone related

[Donna Goodin]

See other message, all working now.
Thanks,
Donna
On Oct 5, 2010, at 2:09 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

> Right that sounds like a cryptography problem.
> 
> Set the securiy to wpa/wpa2 and encryption to both aes and tkip.
> 
> Try that.  I have Dell hardware that shows the exact same problems and that 
> fixed it.
> 
> 
> On Oct 5, 2010, at 10:07 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Since installing the DLink router, I am unable to connect my iphone to our 
>> network.  To the best of my knowledge I'm using the same settings I was 
>> using before, wireless N, WPA2 personal, AES encryption, 2.4 mhz is enabled. 
>>  The iphone sees the network, but says it cannot connect when I click join 
>> after entering the password.  Just wondered if anyone here would have any 
>> ideas as to what might be going on.
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Donna
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Re: another dlink issue, this time Iphone related

[Scott Granados]

Right that sounds like a cryptography problem.

Set the securiy to wpa/wpa2 and encryption to both aes and tkip.

Try that.  I have Dell hardware that shows the exact same problems and that 
fixed it.


On Oct 5, 2010, at 10:07 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Since installing the DLink router, I am unable to connect my iphone to our 
> network.  To the best of my knowledge I'm using the same settings I was using 
> before, wireless N, WPA2 personal, AES encryption, 2.4 mhz is enabled.  The 
> iphone sees the network, but says it cannot connect when I click join after 
> entering the password.  Just wondered if anyone here would have any ideas as 
> to what might be going on.
> Thanks in advance,
> Donna
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Re: Navigating mail and Safari

[Eric Oyen]

its not that old. about 2 years is all.

On Oct 5, 2010, at 4:22 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hmm,
> 
> I'm not sure if it will work on a mac that old.  I guess you can always 
> return it if it doesn't work though.
> On Oct 5, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:
> 
>> I am using a used iMac core 2 duo. it was a very basic unit when I first 
>> acquired it.
>> I have a plug in bluetooth device to interface with my phone 9and bluetooth 
>> headset).
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> On Oct 5, 2010, at 3:21 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> No,
>>> 
>>> It uses bluetooth.  What mac are you using?
>>> On Oct 5, 2010, at 4:31 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>>> 
 is that a usb device?
 if so, I can plug it right into the keyboard.
 
 -Eric
 
 On Oct 5, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
> You might consider a magic trackpad maybe? Not sure if it will run on 
> your mac.
> 
> S
> On Oct 5, 2010, at 12:46 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:
> 
>> h,
>> I am intrigued. my machine is a desktop equipped to handle a mouse. I am 
>> not sure that this would work in the same way as a trackpad (gestures 
>> would certainly vary). I happen to also find some of the key 
>> combinations to be irritatingly non-relevant to their functions.
>> 
>> about the only thing I use the mouse for is the right mouse button 
>> context menu access.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> On Oct 4, 2010, at 9:39 PM, GEOFF WAALER wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Linda,
>>> 
>>> What flavor of Mac do you have?  Does it have a trackpad?  If so would 
>>> you be willing to consider that interface as an alternative to the 
>>> keyboard?
>>> 
>>> Personally I became extremely disgusted with the fact that all VO 
>>> commands required anywhere from three to five keys which often had no 
>>> rhyme nor reason to them (e.g. control-option-u for the rotor when the 
>>> letter u is absent from the word rotor), or the way you were often 
>>> forced to remove hands from the home keys to enter for example 
>>> control-option-shift-f3 to toggle cursor tracking since the macbook pro 
>>> lacks a control on the right side.
>>> 
>>> I realize that personal preferences vary, but I began using the 
>>> trackpad almost exclusively and now find reviewing email and web 
>>> navigation very comfortable and fast using MacOs and voiceOver.  I will 
>>> share some details if the trackpad is even applicable in your 
>>> situation.  If you are going to stay with the keyboard, I'm afraid 
>>> Sarah has your best answer on this thread so far -- essentially that 
>>> you're SOL.
>>> 
>>> Best regards.
>>> Geoff 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 4, 2010, at 6:25 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
>>> 
 Hello, everyone.  I am Linda Adams, a very new and inexperienced user 
 of an Apple Snow Leopard 10.6.  I have been a Windoes user for ten 
 years, and now
 I am experimenting to see if the Apple Snow Leopard will be 
 comfortably accessible. 
 
 My computer technician friend has been worried for a while about the
 increasing security problems with Windows computers and is wanting me 
 to switch to Apple.  I would be very interested to hear from former 
 Windows users
 regarding what benefits they experience with Apple versus the Windows 
 PC computer.
 On a more specific note, is there anything that I can set in System 
 Preferences or VoiceOver Utility to get rid of the table view in Mail 
 and switch it
 to a list view so that there aren't as many navigation steps to go 
 through to read messages?
 Are there settings that I can do to allow me to read a website line by 
 line from the top of the page to the bottom in Safari?  I like to go 
 to catalog websites
 such as LL Bean or The Vermont Country Store where there are plain 
 text descriptions of every product below that product link.  I want to 
 see the web pages
 as they really are rather than just being shown links, headers, or 
 other such element groups.
 My hands are quite small.  Is it possible to change settings so that 
 not as many keys need to be pressed at a time to perform functions?  I 
 know about Quick Nav and locking the VoiceOver keys, but the VoiceOver 
 keys often need to be unlocked to perform other commands.  
 Thank you for any advice and help that you can give me.  I have three 
 friends counting on me to tell them whether Apple would be good to 
 switch to or not.
 
 Linda Adams
 
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RE: exchange account

[Robert Hooper]

On my PC, my phone contacts also synchronized to Outlook. Since I was using 
Outlook with exchange, everyone in my phone is also in my email contacts on the 
server. I was hoping that all of that would be synchronized. I'll look further 
into it, though.
Thanks,
Robert Hooper

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On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 12:55 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: exchange account

Hi Robert,

When it comes to Exchange and Apple Mail, AddressBook just simply syncs.  That 
is, all the contacts available on the Exchange server are synced behind the 
scenes.  Therefore, even though you don't see these directly in your 
AddressBook, if you enter the first few characters of an eMail address or 
contact name that resides on the Exchange server, Mail will either finish it 
for you or give you choices of the matching recipients.  Groups are a little 
more problematic in that you need to know the actual eMail address of the 
group, not just the display name.  So, if your Group or distribution List is 
named "Law Students" with the eMail address 
"legalst...@university.edu", then either type 
the eMail address or add the address to your own AddressBook giving it the 
appropriate name and then you are able to use the name or eMail address.

Calendars do work in some manner but I'm not totally familiar with it.  I do 
know though that when I received invites, they were placed in my calendar.  I 
suggest that you go to Apple discussions to learn more about iCal and Exchange 
syncing.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2010-10-04, at 5:58 PM, Robert Hooper wrote:


Hello All:)

As I may have passingly mentioned in a previous post, The Ohio State University 
email system is set up and run from an exchange server. My question regards the 
synchronization of information. On my PC, all my contacts and calendar schedule 
is nicely synchronized. When I set up the mail account on the Mac, I seem to 
remember it saying something about synchronizing my contacts and calendar with 
the corresponding Mac applications. However, when opening either iCal or 
Address Book, there aren't any appointments or contacts to be seen. Is there an 
additional step I must take? Is there something I am missing in order for this 
to work properly? Also, on an unrelated note, I hear a lot about a program 
called Webkit. From the information I am receiving via the list, it seems to be 
something derived from the native Safari web browser or its code. Could 
somebody describe exactly what it is, the benefits to using such, and why it 
may be preferable to Safari? Any information would be greatfully received.
Thanks,
Robert Hooper
hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu


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Re: Recommendations for FTP blient for the mac?

[Sarah Alawami]

I've used ftp via the terminal but me beeing more of a gui fan switched to 
transmit.

Take care.

S
On Oct 5, 2010, at 3:07 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> The mac already comes with sftp which is part of openssh package and if 
> you're at all concerned about on line security, you'll do well to get 
> acquainted.On Sat, 2 Oct 2010, Jenny Wood wrote:
> 
>> Greetings again!  So basically, I am wondering what recommendations, if any, 
>> might be out there for FTP clients for the mac, and accessible with 
>> voiceover of course.
>> Thank you!
>> Jenny Wood
>> kc5...@gmail.com
>> 
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Re: Navigating mail and Safari

[Sarah Alawami]

Actually you can use the number commander with a laptop keyboard. Just hold 
down one of the arrow keys, actually I think it's the right arrow and use the 
number row.

S
On Oct 5, 2010, at 5:56 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Linda,
> 
> I've never been a Windows user but I might be able to help with some answers.
> On 5 Oct 2010, at 00:25, Linda Adams wrote:
>> 
>> On a more specific note, is there anything that I can set in System 
>> Preferences or VoiceOver Utility to get rid of the table view in Mail and 
>> switch it
>> to a list view so that there aren't as many navigation steps to go through 
>> to read messages?
> There are basically two ways of reading mail, either with the preview pane 
> (the default setting), or without it. I prefer the second where the righthand 
> part of the screen contains a list of messages and the lefthand part, a list 
> of mailboxes. The messages on the right are in the mailbox selected on the 
> left.
> 
> You can arrow down the messages and either press Return to read one, or press 
> Delete to get rid of one. You can also press Command-a to select all and 
> delete the whole lot at once if you like.
> 
>> Are there settings that I can do to allow me to read a website line by line 
>> from the top of the page to the bottom in Safari?  I like to go to catalog 
>> websites
>> such as LL Bean or The Vermont Country Store where there are plain text 
>> descriptions of every product below that product link.  I want to see the 
>> web pages
>> as they really are rather than just being shown links, headers, or other 
>> such element groups.
> It sounds as though you would prefer to navigate websites in Groups mode.
> 
>> My hands are quite small.  Is it possible to change settings so that not as 
>> many keys need to be pressed at a time to perform functions?  I know about 
>> Quick Nav and locking the VoiceOver keys, but the VoiceOver keys often need 
>> to be unlocked to perform other commands.  
>> 
> You could always configure Keyboard Commander to take care of those commands 
> that require too many key presses. Also, the Trackpad Commander allows you to 
> do most things one-handed. Also, if you have an extended keyboard or a USB or 
> BlueTooth number pad, you could use the Numpad Commander.
> 
> VoiceOver is highly configurable to suit your needs.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
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Re: another dlink issue, this time Iphone related

[Sarah Alawami]

sometimes it will pretend to enter another char. It takes me at least 3 or 4 
tries before I can do it.

S
On Oct 5, 2010, at 10:07 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Since installing the DLink router, I am unable to connect my iphone to our 
> network.  To the best of my knowledge I'm using the same settings I was using 
> before, wireless N, WPA2 personal, AES encryption, 2.4 mhz is enabled.  The 
> iphone sees the network, but says it cannot connect when I click join after 
> entering the password.  Just wondered if anyone here would have any ideas as 
> to what might be going on.
> Thanks in advance,
> Donna
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another dlink issue, this time Iphone related

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

Since installing the DLink router, I am unable to connect my iphone to our 
network.  To the best of my knowledge I'm using the same settings I was using 
before, wireless N, WPA2 personal, AES encryption, 2.4 mhz is enabled.  The 
iphone sees the network, but says it cannot connect when I click join after 
entering the password.  Just wondered if anyone here would have any ideas as to 
what might be going on.
Thanks in advance,
Donna

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Re: diagnosing an intermittent hardware problem

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

I read a lot of articles at support.apple.com and, according to them, it was 
either RAM or a brain problem.  The repair guy here in town looked at the RAM 
and pronounced it okay, but he admits he doesn't know Apples.  I just paid 
Apple $330 to have it shipped to their store and diagnosed.  I really hope they 
don't charge me on top of that, because I'm almost out of funds from that 
charge alone.  It's still crashing but comes back up after a while as it is 
now.  My theory is a fan problem, but I agree it could also be RAM; if there's 
a problem and that address is called, it would explain the crashing, as would 
its rebooting successfully after a few minutes for the RAM to lose whatever 
settings it retains for a while after main power is turned off.  This is 
frustrating and costly. I am not happy.


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Re: diagnosing an intermittent hardware problem

[Scott Granados]

Google what 3 beeps means.  THe number and pitch of the beeps frequently 
details what's wrong.

Sounds like memory to me.

On Oct 5, 2010, at 8:17 AM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

> Several weeks ago, my Macbook crashed and wouldn't recover.  When I tried to 
> boot, I didn't get the "bong," successful power-up noise, but instead for 
> three beeps repeatedly.
> 
> After replacing the hard drive and installing 10.6.3 from the D D, I am still 
> experiencing the problem intermittently.  The MBP will run for a while, then 
> suddenly lock up, not speak or respond to any keyboard commands.  When I shut 
> it off with the power button and try to turn it back on, I get three beeps 
> and no bong.  If I tape lightly on the underside of the casing, often this 
> seems to help fix the problem.  Waiting a while also seems to be beneficial.
> 
> I'm thinking now that it might be a fan problem, but I am not enough of a 
> hardware person to know, especially about Mac hardware.  The nearest apple 
> store is about 8 hours' drive away, so not at all practical.
> 
> Does anyone have any suggestions for further diagnosing and pinpointing this 
> problem, and what I might do about it?  I'm going to talk to Apple today as 
> well.
> Thanks! :)
> 
> 
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Re: Navigating mail and Safari

[Teresa Cochran]

Use the physical mouse to double-click on the splitter in order to toggle 
preview pane on and off.

Teresa
On Oct 5, 2010, at 7:36 AM, GEOFF WAALER wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> Different strokes for different folks I suppose; I couldn't live without the 
> preview pane.  For grins I tried to figure out how to disable it.  There does 
> not appear to be an applicable option in the view pull down menu, preferences 
> or clicking on the splitter.  I looked in this list's archives but didn't 
> find an answer there either.  I didn't look very hard though because I 
> personally like the preview pane and this thread has not yet convinced me to 
> abandon it.
> 
> First of all, I went into VoiceOver utility  and under "navigation" disabled 
> "automatically interact when using tab key" box.  Thanks to Cara Q for that 
> suggestion.  Now VO will read the entire line like when I traverse mail in 
> Outlook Express using JFW.  Admittedly JFW does do this more reliably -- 
> often VO just says blank and I may need to use the arrow keys or interact, 
> but usually it will read the line without need for interaction.
> 
> To read the highlighted message in the preview pane I touch the trackpad 
> while pressing control.  I can then read with the trackpad either with the 
> two finger flick down, or skim read by moving my finger down quickly.  Double 
> tappi ng opens links (no need to press VO-shift-m and select open url from 
> the context menu).
> 
> If you wish  to have messages read automatically, go into preferences -> 
> viewing tab and change "show header detail" to "none".  With this setting, 
> messages will be read when you press enter and you would press command-w to 
> close the window, but I strongly prefer using the preview pane and trackpad 
> as described above.
> 
> HTH.
> Geoff
> 
> On Oct 5, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
> 
>> Hello Linda,
>> 
>> I've never been a Windows user but I might be able to help with some answers.
>> On 5 Oct 2010, at 00:25, Linda Adams wrote:
>>> 
>>> On a more specific note, is there anything that I can set in System 
>>> Preferences or VoiceOver Utility to get rid of the table view in Mail and 
>>> switch it
>>> to a list view so that there aren't as many navigation steps to go through 
>>> to read messages?
>> There are basically two ways of reading mail, either with the preview pane 
>> (the default setting), or without it. I prefer the second where the 
>> righthand part of the screen contains a list of messages and the lefthand 
>> part, a list of mailboxes. The messages on the right are in the mailbox 
>> selected on the left.
>> 
>> You can arrow down the messages and either press Return to read one, or 
>> press Delete to get rid of one. You can also press Command-a to select all 
>> and delete the whole lot at once if you like.
>> 
>>> Are there settings that I can do to allow me to read a website line by line 
>>> from the top of the page to the bottom in Safari?  I like to go to catalog 
>>> websites
>>> such as LL Bean or The Vermont Country Store where there are plain text 
>>> descriptions of every product below that product link.  I want to see the 
>>> web pages
>>> as they really are rather than just being shown links, headers, or other 
>>> such element groups.
>> It sounds as though you would prefer to navigate websites in Groups mode.
>> 
>>> My hands are quite small.  Is it possible to change settings so that not as 
>>> many keys need to be pressed at a time to perform functions?  I know about 
>>> Quick Nav and locking the VoiceOver keys, but the VoiceOver keys often need 
>>> to be unlocked to perform other commands.  
>>> 
>> You could always configure Keyboard Commander to take care of those commands 
>> that require too many key presses. Also, the Trackpad Commander allows you 
>> to do most things one-handed. Also, if you have an extended keyboard or a 
>> USB or BlueTooth number pad, you could use the Numpad Commander.
>> 
>> VoiceOver is highly configurable to suit your needs.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
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Re: Navigating mail and Safari

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, Linda,

In the VO utility, you can go to the navigation tab, and choose the item that 
says, "interact with items when using tab key". That way, you can tab between 
your messages and mailbox list.

Teresa
On Oct 5, 2010, at 5:56 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Linda,
> 
> I've never been a Windows user but I might be able to help with some answers.
> On 5 Oct 2010, at 00:25, Linda Adams wrote:
>> 
>> On a more specific note, is there anything that I can set in System 
>> Preferences or VoiceOver Utility to get rid of the table view in Mail and 
>> switch it
>> to a list view so that there aren't as many navigation steps to go through 
>> to read messages?
> There are basically two ways of reading mail, either with the preview pane 
> (the default setting), or without it. I prefer the second where the righthand 
> part of the screen contains a list of messages and the lefthand part, a list 
> of mailboxes. The messages on the right are in the mailbox selected on the 
> left.
> 
> You can arrow down the messages and either press Return to read one, or press 
> Delete to get rid of one. You can also press Command-a to select all and 
> delete the whole lot at once if you like.
> 
>> Are there settings that I can do to allow me to read a website line by line 
>> from the top of the page to the bottom in Safari?  I like to go to catalog 
>> websites
>> such as LL Bean or The Vermont Country Store where there are plain text 
>> descriptions of every product below that product link.  I want to see the 
>> web pages
>> as they really are rather than just being shown links, headers, or other 
>> such element groups.
> It sounds as though you would prefer to navigate websites in Groups mode.
> 
>> My hands are quite small.  Is it possible to change settings so that not as 
>> many keys need to be pressed at a time to perform functions?  I know about 
>> Quick Nav and locking the VoiceOver keys, but the VoiceOver keys often need 
>> to be unlocked to perform other commands.  
>> 
> You could always configure Keyboard Commander to take care of those commands 
> that require too many key presses. Also, the Trackpad Commander allows you to 
> do most things one-handed. Also, if you have an extended keyboard or a USB or 
> BlueTooth number pad, you could use the Numpad Commander.
> 
> VoiceOver is highly configurable to suit your needs.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
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Re: voiceover manual for IOS4?

[Isaac Obie]

Hi all,
Bookshare has many of David Pogue's books, but I am not finding any of them 
useful at all. I see no mention of voiceOver in them at all. I find them 
boring and really useless. the best I've found thus far is that voiceOver 
getting started manual or user guide and that's really a feference more than 
a manual.

I wish there was an easy way to convert pdf files to text
Isaac
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Subject: Re: voiceover manual for IOS4?


Dear All,
I agree with Erik: where is David Pogue's blind twin brother who could
write us a "missing manual" for vo?  Is there a way to create a
macvisionaries wiki where people could contribute to a set of how-
to's, maybe by beginning with a list of FAQs?  I realize that
macvisionaries archives probably contains a lot of valuable info, but
wouldn't it be great to have the wisdom collected in one place and
updated?  I'd be happy to help in such an effort, with my main
contribution being an endless string of pathetic newbie questions.
But we all have to start somewhere, right?

For more immediate help, Robert Carter of the Tech Doctor podcasts
directed me to Mike Arrigo's podcasts on the ipod touch and vo at
Blind Cool Tech: http://www.blindcooltech.com/

Best,
cathyk


On Oct 5, 7:58 am, erik burggraaf  wrote:

Thanks Esther,

You wrote:

The more useful accessible HTML version of the iPhone User Guide (that you 
can access from anywhere) is at:http://help.apple.com/iphone/4/voiceover/

This seems to be what I'm after, but it renders a page not found error.

I did some googling and found a snippit of documentation which basicly 
outlined the voiceover gestures and nothing else. I have so many very 
basic newbie questions that any public forum will soon grow weary of 
answering them, so maybe I will try for the PDF manual.


Thanks,

Erik Burggraaf
User support consultant,
One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in 
person,

1-888-255-5194http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

On 2010-10-03, at 8:07 PM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Erik,

> There are two places to check for a manual on the iPod Touch. First, 
> there should be an iPod Touch User's Guide listed under the Safari 
> bookmarks of your iPod Touch. If you synched your bookmarks and overrode 
> the default definitions you can add the URL:

>http://help.apple.com/ipodtouch/
> to your bookmarked locations (you only need to type in 
> "help.apple.com/ipodtouch/" and this address only works from an iPhone 
> or iPod Touch. Anywhere else (on an iPad, or on your computer), you'll 
> be taken to the Apple Support pages where you can find some link to a 
> PDF version of the user guides.


> The more useful accessible HTML version of the iPhone User Guide (that 
> you can access from anywhere) is at:

>http://help.apple.com/iphone/4/voiceover/
> (There's no special accessible HTML version for just the parts that 
> works for the iPod Touch)


> Also, note the AppleVis web site for more information:
>http://applevis.com/

> A nice summary of the iOS 4 Apple Keyboard shortcuts may be found at:
>http://www.hllf.net/70
> if you use a Bluetooth keyboard with your iPod Touch.

> HTH. Cheers,

> Esther

> On Oct 3, 2010, erik burggraaf wrote:

>> OK guys, I've got my first ipod touch here. I can navigate around the 
>> screen, open apps and folders, sort of type on the slide type keyboard 
>> and so on. Not bad for an hour or two fiddling, but I need a manual or 
>> something, even if it stinks like the voiceover manual for Mac OS 10.6. 
>> Anybody know where I can get this?


>> Thanks,

>> Erik Burggraaf
>> User support consultant,
>> One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in 
>> person,

>> 1-888-255-5194
>>http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

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Re: voiceover manual for IOS4?

[erik burggraaf]

Hi, Applevis.com fits the bill.  It's not as full as I'd like it to be, but I 
got at least one of my newbie questions answered right away and thus have quite 
an accomplishment buzz kicking at the moment.

Hooray for applevis!

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On 2010-10-05, at 11:49 AM, cathyk wrote:

> Dear All,
> I agree with Erik: where is David Pogue's blind twin brother who could
> write us a "missing manual" for vo?  Is there a way to create a
> macvisionaries wiki where people could contribute to a set of how-
> to's, maybe by beginning with a list of FAQs?  I realize that
> macvisionaries archives probably contains a lot of valuable info, but
> wouldn't it be great to have the wisdom collected in one place and
> updated?  I'd be happy to help in such an effort, with my main
> contribution being an endless string of pathetic newbie questions.
> But we all have to start somewhere, right?
> 
> For more immediate help, Robert Carter of the Tech Doctor podcasts
> directed me to Mike Arrigo's podcasts on the ipod touch and vo at
> Blind Cool Tech: http://www.blindcooltech.com/
> 
> Best,
> cathyk
> 
> 
> On Oct 5, 7:58 am, erik burggraaf  wrote:
>> Thanks Esther,
>> 
>> You wrote:
>> 
>> The more useful accessible HTML version of the iPhone User Guide (that you 
>> can access from anywhere) is at:http://help.apple.com/iphone/4/voiceover/
>> This seems to be what I'm after, but it renders a page not found error.
>> 
>> I did some googling and found a snippit of documentation which basicly 
>> outlined the voiceover gestures and nothing else.  I have so many very basic 
>> newbie questions that any public forum will soon grow weary of answering 
>> them, so maybe I will try for the PDF manual.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> User support consultant,
>> One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in 
>> person,
>> 1-888-255-5194http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>> 
>> On 2010-10-03, at 8:07 PM, Esther wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Erik,
>> 
>>> There are two places to check for a manual on the iPod Touch.  First, there 
>>> should be an iPod Touch User's Guide listed under the Safari bookmarks of 
>>> your iPod Touch.  If you synched your bookmarks and overrode the default 
>>> definitions you can add the URL:
>>> http://help.apple.com/ipodtouch/
>>> to your bookmarked locations (you only need to type in 
>>> "help.apple.com/ipodtouch/" and this address only works from an iPhone or 
>>> iPod Touch.  Anywhere else (on an iPad, or on your computer), you'll be 
>>> taken to the Apple Support pages where you can find some link to a PDF 
>>> version of the user guides.
>> 
>>> The more useful accessible HTML version of the iPhone User Guide (that you 
>>> can access from anywhere) is at:
>>> http://help.apple.com/iphone/4/voiceover/
>>> (There's no special accessible HTML version for just the parts that works 
>>> for the iPod Touch)
>> 
>>> Also, note the AppleVis web site for more information:
>>> http://applevis.com/
>> 
>>> A nice summary of the iOS 4 Apple Keyboard shortcuts may be found at:
>>> http://www.hllf.net/70
>>> if you use a Bluetooth keyboard with your iPod Touch.
>> 
>>> HTH.  Cheers,
>> 
>>> Esther
>> 
>>> On Oct 3, 2010, erik burggraaf wrote:
>> 
 OK guys,  I've got my first ipod touch here.  I can navigate around the 
 screen, open apps and folders, sort of type on the slide type keyboard and 
 so on.  Not bad for an hour or two fiddling, but I need a manual or 
 something, even if it stinks like the voiceover manual for Mac OS 10.6.  
 Anybody know where I can get this?
>> 
 Thanks,
>> 
 Erik Burggraaf
 User support consultant,
 One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in 
 person,
 1-888-255-5194
 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>> 
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Re: voiceover manual for IOS4?

[cathyk]

Dear All,
I agree with Erik: where is David Pogue's blind twin brother who could
write us a "missing manual" for vo?  Is there a way to create a
macvisionaries wiki where people could contribute to a set of how-
to's, maybe by beginning with a list of FAQs?  I realize that
macvisionaries archives probably contains a lot of valuable info, but
wouldn't it be great to have the wisdom collected in one place and
updated?  I'd be happy to help in such an effort, with my main
contribution being an endless string of pathetic newbie questions.
But we all have to start somewhere, right?

For more immediate help, Robert Carter of the Tech Doctor podcasts
directed me to Mike Arrigo's podcasts on the ipod touch and vo at
Blind Cool Tech: http://www.blindcooltech.com/

Best,
cathyk


On Oct 5, 7:58 am, erik burggraaf  wrote:
> Thanks Esther,
>
> You wrote:
>
> The more useful accessible HTML version of the iPhone User Guide (that you 
> can access from anywhere) is at:http://help.apple.com/iphone/4/voiceover/
> This seems to be what I'm after, but it renders a page not found error.
>
> I did some googling and found a snippit of documentation which basicly 
> outlined the voiceover gestures and nothing else.  I have so many very basic 
> newbie questions that any public forum will soon grow weary of answering 
> them, so maybe I will try for the PDF manual.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Erik Burggraaf
> User support consultant,
> One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in person,
> 1-888-255-5194http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>
> On 2010-10-03, at 8:07 PM, Esther wrote:
>
> > Hi Erik,
>
> > There are two places to check for a manual on the iPod Touch.  First, there 
> > should be an iPod Touch User's Guide listed under the Safari bookmarks of 
> > your iPod Touch.  If you synched your bookmarks and overrode the default 
> > definitions you can add the URL:
> >http://help.apple.com/ipodtouch/
> > to your bookmarked locations (you only need to type in 
> > "help.apple.com/ipodtouch/" and this address only works from an iPhone or 
> > iPod Touch.  Anywhere else (on an iPad, or on your computer), you'll be 
> > taken to the Apple Support pages where you can find some link to a PDF 
> > version of the user guides.
>
> > The more useful accessible HTML version of the iPhone User Guide (that you 
> > can access from anywhere) is at:
> >http://help.apple.com/iphone/4/voiceover/
> > (There's no special accessible HTML version for just the parts that works 
> > for the iPod Touch)
>
> > Also, note the AppleVis web site for more information:
> >http://applevis.com/
>
> > A nice summary of the iOS 4 Apple Keyboard shortcuts may be found at:
> >http://www.hllf.net/70
> > if you use a Bluetooth keyboard with your iPod Touch.
>
> > HTH.  Cheers,
>
> > Esther
>
> > On Oct 3, 2010, erik burggraaf wrote:
>
> >> OK guys,  I've got my first ipod touch here.  I can navigate around the 
> >> screen, open apps and folders, sort of type on the slide type keyboard and 
> >> so on.  Not bad for an hour or two fiddling, but I need a manual or 
> >> something, even if it stinks like the voiceover manual for Mac OS 10.6.  
> >> Anybody know where I can get this?
>
> >> Thanks,
>
> >> Erik Burggraaf
> >> User support consultant,
> >> One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in 
> >> person,
> >> 1-888-255-5194
> >>http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>
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Re: a formatting question in Pages

[Colin M]

Hi Amber!
If you know this already sorry!
To highlight all text use command+a
or command+shift +down arrow if it is just a few lines!
Which I suppose it is for a envelope!
:] Colin
On 5 Oct 2010, at 15:22, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Amber,
> 
> In Pages, when you want to change a font or the language or whatever, you 
> have to select the text to be changed before doing the change.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 5 Oct 2010, at 16:04, Amber Pearcy wrote:
> 
>> HI list,
>> 
>> I have been trying to format an envelope from the template list of envelopes 
>> in Pages.  However, I can not make the font change once I have entered all 
>> of my information into the template.  When I press "command t" to show the 
>> font dialog, I am able to enter a new size.  HOwever,  when I hide the fonts 
>> again, nothing has actually changed.  I have also tried searching through 
>> the document inspector dialogs to see if I could find an clues there, but no 
>> luck.  This is so frustrating because it seems like this should all be a 
>> simple process.  Help appreciated.
>> 
>> Amber
>> 
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Using Rogue Amoeba's Radio Shift Software

[Robert Carter]

Hi,

I have been playing with the trial version of Rogue Amoeba's Radio Shift. I 
have no problem searching for and playing a station but don't see how to 
schedule recordings and read the program guide for a station. These options are 
discussed in the manual but I am wondering whether or not they are accessible 
to VoiceOver?

Also, I don't see any controls for the player like stop, start and volume.

Any information appreciated.

Robert Carter

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diagnosing an intermittent hardware problem

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

Several weeks ago, my Macbook crashed and wouldn't recover.  When I tried to 
boot, I didn't get the "bong," successful power-up noise, but instead for three 
beeps repeatedly.

After replacing the hard drive and installing 10.6.3 from the D D, I am still 
experiencing the problem intermittently.  The MBP will run for a while, then 
suddenly lock up, not speak or respond to any keyboard commands.  When I shut 
it off with the power button and try to turn it back on, I get three beeps and 
no bong.  If I tape lightly on the underside of the casing, often this seems to 
help fix the problem.  Waiting a while also seems to be beneficial.

I'm thinking now that it might be a fan problem, but I am not enough of a 
hardware person to know, especially about Mac hardware.  The nearest apple 
store is about 8 hours' drive away, so not at all practical.

Does anyone have any suggestions for further diagnosing and pinpointing this 
problem, and what I might do about it?  I'm going to talk to Apple today as 
well.
Thanks! :)


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Re: voiceover manual for IOS4?

[erik burggraaf]

Thanks Esther,

You wrote:

The more useful accessible HTML version of the iPhone User Guide (that you can 
access from anywhere) is at:
http://help.apple.com/iphone/4/voiceover/
This seems to be what I'm after, but it renders a page not found error.

I did some googling and found a snippit of documentation which basicly outlined 
the voiceover gestures and nothing else.  I have so many very basic newbie 
questions that any public forum will soon grow weary of answering them, so 
maybe I will try for the PDF manual.

Thanks,

Erik Burggraaf
User support consultant,
One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in person,
1-888-255-5194
http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

On 2010-10-03, at 8:07 PM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Erik,
> 
> There are two places to check for a manual on the iPod Touch.  First, there 
> should be an iPod Touch User's Guide listed under the Safari bookmarks of 
> your iPod Touch.  If you synched your bookmarks and overrode the default 
> definitions you can add the URL:
> http://help.apple.com/ipodtouch/
> to your bookmarked locations (you only need to type in 
> "help.apple.com/ipodtouch/" and this address only works from an iPhone or 
> iPod Touch.  Anywhere else (on an iPad, or on your computer), you'll be taken 
> to the Apple Support pages where you can find some link to a PDF version of 
> the user guides.
> 
> The more useful accessible HTML version of the iPhone User Guide (that you 
> can access from anywhere) is at:
> http://help.apple.com/iphone/4/voiceover/
> (There's no special accessible HTML version for just the parts that works for 
> the iPod Touch)
> 
> Also, note the AppleVis web site for more information:
> http://applevis.com/
> 
> A nice summary of the iOS 4 Apple Keyboard shortcuts may be found at:
> http://www.hllf.net/70
> if you use a Bluetooth keyboard with your iPod Touch.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Oct 3, 2010, erik burggraaf wrote:
> 
>> OK guys,  I've got my first ipod touch here.  I can navigate around the 
>> screen, open apps and folders, sort of type on the slide type keyboard and 
>> so on.  Not bad for an hour or two fiddling, but I need a manual or 
>> something, even if it stinks like the voiceover manual for Mac OS 10.6.  
>> Anybody know where I can get this?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> User support consultant,
>> One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in 
>> person,
>> 1-888-255-5194
>> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>> 
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Re: Navigating mail and Safari

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Geoff,

Doesn't it annoy you that just navigating to a message causes it to open? I 
like to be able to decide whether to open a message now or leave it until 
later, then go back and find the unread messages.

I just use the down arrow to skim through the messages, sometimes reading the 
whole line, sometimes just reading the subject. Then I can just press Return 
and have the whole message read, go down to the next message, or press Delete 
to get rid of the message.

It can all be done one-handed, leaving the other free for coffee.

I'm starting to play a bit with the Magic Trackpad (my MacBook is too old to 
have the multi-touch trackpad).

Trackpad commander is great for working in Numbers, much quicker than using the 
keyboard for navigation.

Cheers,

Anne

On 5 Oct 2010, at 16:36, GEOFF WAALER wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> Different strokes for different folks I suppose; I couldn't live without the 
> preview pane.  For grins I tried to figure out how to disable it.  There does 
> not appear to be an applicable option in the view pull down menu, preferences 
> or clicking on the splitter.  I looked in this list's archives but didn't 
> find an answer there either.  I didn't look very hard though because I 
> personally like the preview pane and this thread has not yet convinced me to 
> abandon it.
> 
> First of all, I went into VoiceOver utility  and under "navigation" disabled 
> "automatically interact when using tab key" box.  Thanks to Cara Q for that 
> suggestion.  Now VO will read the entire line like when I traverse mail in 
> Outlook Express using JFW.  Admittedly JFW does do this more reliably -- 
> often VO just says blank and I may need to use the arrow keys or interact, 
> but usually it will read the line without need for interaction.
> 
> To read the highlighted message in the preview pane I touch the trackpad 
> while pressing control.  I can then read with the trackpad either with the 
> two finger flick down, or skim read by moving my finger down quickly.  Double 
> tappi ng opens links (no need to press VO-shift-m and select open url from 
> the context menu).
> 
> If you wish  to have messages read automatically, go into preferences -> 
> viewing tab and change "show header detail" to "none".  With this setting, 
> messages will be read when you press enter and you would press command-w to 
> close the window, but I strongly prefer using the preview pane and trackpad 
> as described above.
> 
> HTH.
> Geoff
> 
> On Oct 5, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
> 
>> Hello Linda,
>> 
>> I've never been a Windows user but I might be able to help with some answers.
>> On 5 Oct 2010, at 00:25, Linda Adams wrote:
>>> 
>>> On a more specific note, is there anything that I can set in System 
>>> Preferences or VoiceOver Utility to get rid of the table view in Mail and 
>>> switch it
>>> to a list view so that there aren't as many navigation steps to go through 
>>> to read messages?
>> There are basically two ways of reading mail, either with the preview pane 
>> (the default setting), or without it. I prefer the second where the 
>> righthand part of the screen contains a list of messages and the lefthand 
>> part, a list of mailboxes. The messages on the right are in the mailbox 
>> selected on the left.
>> 
>> You can arrow down the messages and either press Return to read one, or 
>> press Delete to get rid of one. You can also press Command-a to select all 
>> and delete the whole lot at once if you like.
>> 
>>> Are there settings that I can do to allow me to read a website line by line 
>>> from the top of the page to the bottom in Safari?  I like to go to catalog 
>>> websites
>>> such as LL Bean or The Vermont Country Store where there are plain text 
>>> descriptions of every product below that product link.  I want to see the 
>>> web pages
>>> as they really are rather than just being shown links, headers, or other 
>>> such element groups.
>> It sounds as though you would prefer to navigate websites in Groups mode.
>> 
>>> My hands are quite small.  Is it possible to change settings so that not as 
>>> many keys need to be pressed at a time to perform functions?  I know about 
>>> Quick Nav and locking the VoiceOver keys, but the VoiceOver keys often need 
>>> to be unlocked to perform other commands.  
>>> 
>> You could always configure Keyboard Commander to take care of those commands 
>> that require too many key presses. Also, the Trackpad Commander allows you 
>> to do most things one-handed. Also, if you have an extended keyboard or a 
>> USB or BlueTooth number pad, you could use the Numpad Commander.
>> 
>> VoiceOver is highly configurable to suit your needs.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
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Re: Navigating mail and Safari

[GEOFF WAALER]

Greetings,

Different strokes for different folks I suppose; I couldn't live without the 
preview pane.  For grins I tried to figure out how to disable it.  There does 
not appear to be an applicable option in the view pull down menu, preferences 
or clicking on the splitter.  I looked in this list's archives but didn't find 
an answer there either.  I didn't look very hard though because I personally 
like the preview pane and this thread has not yet convinced me to abandon it.

First of all, I went into VoiceOver utility  and under "navigation" disabled 
"automatically interact when using tab key" box.  Thanks to Cara Q for that 
suggestion.  Now VO will read the entire line like when I traverse mail in 
Outlook Express using JFW.  Admittedly JFW does do this more reliably -- often 
VO just says blank and I may need to use the arrow keys or interact, but 
usually it will read the line without need for interaction.

To read the highlighted message in the preview pane I touch the trackpad while 
pressing control.  I can then read with the trackpad either with the two finger 
flick down, or skim read by moving my finger down quickly.  Double tappi ng 
opens links (no need to press VO-shift-m and select open url from the context 
menu).

If you wish  to have messages read automatically, go into preferences -> 
viewing tab and change "show header detail" to "none".  With this setting, 
messages will be read when you press enter and you would press command-w to 
close the window, but I strongly prefer using the preview pane and trackpad as 
described above.

HTH.
Geoff

On Oct 5, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Linda,
> 
> I've never been a Windows user but I might be able to help with some answers.
> On 5 Oct 2010, at 00:25, Linda Adams wrote:
>> 
>> On a more specific note, is there anything that I can set in System 
>> Preferences or VoiceOver Utility to get rid of the table view in Mail and 
>> switch it
>> to a list view so that there aren't as many navigation steps to go through 
>> to read messages?
> There are basically two ways of reading mail, either with the preview pane 
> (the default setting), or without it. I prefer the second where the righthand 
> part of the screen contains a list of messages and the lefthand part, a list 
> of mailboxes. The messages on the right are in the mailbox selected on the 
> left.
> 
> You can arrow down the messages and either press Return to read one, or press 
> Delete to get rid of one. You can also press Command-a to select all and 
> delete the whole lot at once if you like.
> 
>> Are there settings that I can do to allow me to read a website line by line 
>> from the top of the page to the bottom in Safari?  I like to go to catalog 
>> websites
>> such as LL Bean or The Vermont Country Store where there are plain text 
>> descriptions of every product below that product link.  I want to see the 
>> web pages
>> as they really are rather than just being shown links, headers, or other 
>> such element groups.
> It sounds as though you would prefer to navigate websites in Groups mode.
> 
>> My hands are quite small.  Is it possible to change settings so that not as 
>> many keys need to be pressed at a time to perform functions?  I know about 
>> Quick Nav and locking the VoiceOver keys, but the VoiceOver keys often need 
>> to be unlocked to perform other commands.  
>> 
> You could always configure Keyboard Commander to take care of those commands 
> that require too many key presses. Also, the Trackpad Commander allows you to 
> do most things one-handed. Also, if you have an extended keyboard or a USB or 
> BlueTooth number pad, you could use the Numpad Commander.
> 
> VoiceOver is highly configurable to suit your needs.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
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Re: a formatting question in Pages

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Amber,

In Pages, when you want to change a font or the language or whatever, you have 
to select the text to be changed before doing the change.

Cheers,

Anne


On 5 Oct 2010, at 16:04, Amber Pearcy wrote:

> HI list,
> 
> I have been trying to format an envelope from the template list of envelopes 
> in Pages.  However, I can not make the font change once I have entered all of 
> my information into the template.  When I press "command t" to show the font 
> dialog, I am able to enter a new size.  HOwever,  when I hide the fonts 
> again, nothing has actually changed.  I have also tried searching through the 
> document inspector dialogs to see if I could find an clues there, but no 
> luck.  This is so frustrating because it seems like this should all be a 
> simple process.  Help appreciated.
> 
> Amber
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a formatting question in Pages

[Amber Pearcy]

HI list,

I have been trying to format an envelope from the template list of envelopes in 
Pages.  However, I can not make the font change once I have entered all of my 
information into the template.  When I press "command t" to show the font 
dialog, I am able to enter a new size.  HOwever,  when I hide the fonts again, 
nothing has actually changed.  I have also tried searching through the document 
inspector dialogs to see if I could find an clues there, but no luck.  This is 
so frustrating because it seems like this should all be a simple process.  Help 
appreciated.

Amber

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Re: Navigating mail and Safari

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Linda,

I've never been a Windows user but I might be able to help with some answers.
On 5 Oct 2010, at 00:25, Linda Adams wrote:
> 
> On a more specific note, is there anything that I can set in System 
> Preferences or VoiceOver Utility to get rid of the table view in Mail and 
> switch it
> to a list view so that there aren't as many navigation steps to go through to 
> read messages?
There are basically two ways of reading mail, either with the preview pane (the 
default setting), or without it. I prefer the second where the righthand part 
of the screen contains a list of messages and the lefthand part, a list of 
mailboxes. The messages on the right are in the mailbox selected on the left.

You can arrow down the messages and either press Return to read one, or press 
Delete to get rid of one. You can also press Command-a to select all and delete 
the whole lot at once if you like.

> Are there settings that I can do to allow me to read a website line by line 
> from the top of the page to the bottom in Safari?  I like to go to catalog 
> websites
> such as LL Bean or The Vermont Country Store where there are plain text 
> descriptions of every product below that product link.  I want to see the web 
> pages
> as they really are rather than just being shown links, headers, or other such 
> element groups.
It sounds as though you would prefer to navigate websites in Groups mode.

> My hands are quite small.  Is it possible to change settings so that not as 
> many keys need to be pressed at a time to perform functions?  I know about 
> Quick Nav and locking the VoiceOver keys, but the VoiceOver keys often need 
> to be unlocked to perform other commands.  
> 
You could always configure Keyboard Commander to take care of those commands 
that require too many key presses. Also, the Trackpad Commander allows you to 
do most things one-handed. Also, if you have an extended keyboard or a USB or 
BlueTooth number pad, you could use the Numpad Commander.

VoiceOver is highly configurable to suit your needs.

Cheers,

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Re: Navigating mail and Safari

[Anne Robertson]

The Magic Trackpad will work on any machine running Snow Leopard. I use one 
with a three-year-old MacBook.

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Mantis seems to be fixed.

[Peggy Fleischer]

Hi:

For those using the Mantis bible program for iphone and ipad, the scrolling 
screen problem appears to be fixed with the latest update.

Peggy Fleischer
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Jude 1:24  Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present 
you 
faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy,
1:25  To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion 
and power, Both now and forever. Amen.


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Re: Navigating mail and Safari

[Ricardo Walker]

Hmm,

I'm not sure if it will work on a mac that old.  I guess you can always return 
it if it doesn't work though.
On Oct 5, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:

> I am using a used iMac core 2 duo. it was a very basic unit when I first 
> acquired it.
> I have a plug in bluetooth device to interface with my phone 9and bluetooth 
> headset).
> 
> -Eric
> 
> On Oct 5, 2010, at 3:21 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> No,
>> 
>> It uses bluetooth.  What mac are you using?
>> On Oct 5, 2010, at 4:31 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> 
>>> is that a usb device?
>>> if so, I can plug it right into the keyboard.
>>> 
>>> -Eric
>>> 
>>> On Oct 5, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
 You might consider a magic trackpad maybe? Not sure if it will run on your 
 mac.
 
 S
 On Oct 5, 2010, at 12:46 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:
 
> h,
> I am intrigued. my machine is a desktop equipped to handle a mouse. I am 
> not sure that this would work in the same way as a trackpad (gestures 
> would certainly vary). I happen to also find some of the key combinations 
> to be irritatingly non-relevant to their functions.
> 
> about the only thing I use the mouse for is the right mouse button 
> context menu access.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> On Oct 4, 2010, at 9:39 PM, GEOFF WAALER wrote:
> 
>> Hi Linda,
>> 
>> What flavor of Mac do you have?  Does it have a trackpad?  If so would 
>> you be willing to consider that interface as an alternative to the 
>> keyboard?
>> 
>> Personally I became extremely disgusted with the fact that all VO 
>> commands required anywhere from three to five keys which often had no 
>> rhyme nor reason to them (e.g. control-option-u for the rotor when the 
>> letter u is absent from the word rotor), or the way you were often 
>> forced to remove hands from the home keys to enter for example 
>> control-option-shift-f3 to toggle cursor tracking since the macbook pro 
>> lacks a control on the right side.
>> 
>> I realize that personal preferences vary, but I began using the trackpad 
>> almost exclusively and now find reviewing email and web navigation very 
>> comfortable and fast using MacOs and voiceOver.  I will share some 
>> details if the trackpad is even applicable in your situation.  If you 
>> are going to stay with the keyboard, I'm afraid Sarah has your best 
>> answer on this thread so far -- essentially that you're SOL.
>> 
>> Best regards.
>> Geoff 
>> 
>> On Oct 4, 2010, at 6:25 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello, everyone.  I am Linda Adams, a very new and inexperienced user 
>>> of an Apple Snow Leopard 10.6.  I have been a Windoes user for ten 
>>> years, and now
>>> I am experimenting to see if the Apple Snow Leopard will be comfortably 
>>> accessible. 
>>> 
>>> My computer technician friend has been worried for a while about the
>>> increasing security problems with Windows computers and is wanting me 
>>> to switch to Apple.  I would be very interested to hear from former 
>>> Windows users
>>> regarding what benefits they experience with Apple versus the Windows 
>>> PC computer.
>>> On a more specific note, is there anything that I can set in System 
>>> Preferences or VoiceOver Utility to get rid of the table view in Mail 
>>> and switch it
>>> to a list view so that there aren't as many navigation steps to go 
>>> through to read messages?
>>> Are there settings that I can do to allow me to read a website line by 
>>> line from the top of the page to the bottom in Safari?  I like to go to 
>>> catalog websites
>>> such as LL Bean or The Vermont Country Store where there are plain text 
>>> descriptions of every product below that product link.  I want to see 
>>> the web pages
>>> as they really are rather than just being shown links, headers, or 
>>> other such element groups.
>>> My hands are quite small.  Is it possible to change settings so that 
>>> not as many keys need to be pressed at a time to perform functions?  I 
>>> know about Quick Nav and locking the VoiceOver keys, but the VoiceOver 
>>> keys often need to be unlocked to perform other commands.  
>>> Thank you for any advice and help that you can give me.  I have three 
>>> friends counting on me to tell them whether Apple would be good to 
>>> switch to or not.
>>> 
>>> Linda Adams
>>> 
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Re: Navigating mail and Safari

[Eric Oyen]

I am using a used iMac core 2 duo. it was a very basic unit when I first 
acquired it.
I have a plug in bluetooth device to interface with my phone 9and bluetooth 
headset).

-Eric

On Oct 5, 2010, at 3:21 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> No,
> 
> It uses bluetooth.  What mac are you using?
> On Oct 5, 2010, at 4:31 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:
> 
>> is that a usb device?
>> if so, I can plug it right into the keyboard.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> On Oct 5, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> You might consider a magic trackpad maybe? Not sure if it will run on your 
>>> mac.
>>> 
>>> S
>>> On Oct 5, 2010, at 12:46 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>>> 
 h,
 I am intrigued. my machine is a desktop equipped to handle a mouse. I am 
 not sure that this would work in the same way as a trackpad (gestures 
 would certainly vary). I happen to also find some of the key combinations 
 to be irritatingly non-relevant to their functions.
 
 about the only thing I use the mouse for is the right mouse button context 
 menu access.
 
 -Eric
 
 On Oct 4, 2010, at 9:39 PM, GEOFF WAALER wrote:
 
> Hi Linda,
> 
> What flavor of Mac do you have?  Does it have a trackpad?  If so would 
> you be willing to consider that interface as an alternative to the 
> keyboard?
> 
> Personally I became extremely disgusted with the fact that all VO 
> commands required anywhere from three to five keys which often had no 
> rhyme nor reason to them (e.g. control-option-u for the rotor when the 
> letter u is absent from the word rotor), or the way you were often forced 
> to remove hands from the home keys to enter for example 
> control-option-shift-f3 to toggle cursor tracking since the macbook pro 
> lacks a control on the right side.
> 
> I realize that personal preferences vary, but I began using the trackpad 
> almost exclusively and now find reviewing email and web navigation very 
> comfortable and fast using MacOs and voiceOver.  I will share some 
> details if the trackpad is even applicable in your situation.  If you are 
> going to stay with the keyboard, I'm afraid Sarah has your best answer on 
> this thread so far -- essentially that you're SOL.
> 
> Best regards.
> Geoff 
> 
> On Oct 4, 2010, at 6:25 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
> 
>> Hello, everyone.  I am Linda Adams, a very new and inexperienced user of 
>> an Apple Snow Leopard 10.6.  I have been a Windoes user for ten years, 
>> and now
>> I am experimenting to see if the Apple Snow Leopard will be comfortably 
>> accessible. 
>> 
>> My computer technician friend has been worried for a while about the
>> increasing security problems with Windows computers and is wanting me to 
>> switch to Apple.  I would be very interested to hear from former Windows 
>> users
>> regarding what benefits they experience with Apple versus the Windows PC 
>> computer.
>> On a more specific note, is there anything that I can set in System 
>> Preferences or VoiceOver Utility to get rid of the table view in Mail 
>> and switch it
>> to a list view so that there aren't as many navigation steps to go 
>> through to read messages?
>> Are there settings that I can do to allow me to read a website line by 
>> line from the top of the page to the bottom in Safari?  I like to go to 
>> catalog websites
>> such as LL Bean or The Vermont Country Store where there are plain text 
>> descriptions of every product below that product link.  I want to see 
>> the web pages
>> as they really are rather than just being shown links, headers, or other 
>> such element groups.
>> My hands are quite small.  Is it possible to change settings so that not 
>> as many keys need to be pressed at a time to perform functions?  I know 
>> about Quick Nav and locking the VoiceOver keys, but the VoiceOver keys 
>> often need to be unlocked to perform other commands.  
>> Thank you for any advice and help that you can give me.  I have three 
>> friends counting on me to tell them whether Apple would be good to 
>> switch to or not.
>> 
>> Linda Adams
>> 
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Re: java in safari on or off for different sites

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Claus,

I can read those pages you posted just fine. I have Java and Javascript enabled 
and pop up windows blocked. I'd be happy to go through my Safari settings with 
you if you like. Just e-mail me off list.

Cheers,

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Re: track pads

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

have you tried practicing gestures?  Most of the gestures, if not all, are the 
same as on the iPhone/iPod touch.  Starting keyboard help and practicing 
gestures might help.  
On Oct 4, 2010, at 9:44 PM, carlene knight wrote:

> How do you click and double tap with a track pad?  I have the Magic Track 
> Pad, and sometimes when links are highlighted, they tend to activate whether 
> I want them to or not.  I can't seem to double tap on anything, nothing 
> happens.  I am so frustrated with the thing that it is just sitting here on 
> my desk getting more dust than use.  It works perfectly well for my sighted 
> husband with the track pad commander turned off.
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Re: Navigating mail and Safari

[Ricardo Walker]

No,

It uses bluetooth.  What mac are you using?
On Oct 5, 2010, at 4:31 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:

> is that a usb device?
> if so, I can plug it right into the keyboard.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> On Oct 5, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> You might consider a magic trackpad maybe? Not sure if it will run on your 
>> mac.
>> 
>> S
>> On Oct 5, 2010, at 12:46 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> 
>>> h,
>>> I am intrigued. my machine is a desktop equipped to handle a mouse. I am 
>>> not sure that this would work in the same way as a trackpad (gestures would 
>>> certainly vary). I happen to also find some of the key combinations to be 
>>> irritatingly non-relevant to their functions.
>>> 
>>> about the only thing I use the mouse for is the right mouse button context 
>>> menu access.
>>> 
>>> -Eric
>>> 
>>> On Oct 4, 2010, at 9:39 PM, GEOFF WAALER wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Linda,
 
 What flavor of Mac do you have?  Does it have a trackpad?  If so would you 
 be willing to consider that interface as an alternative to the keyboard?
 
 Personally I became extremely disgusted with the fact that all VO commands 
 required anywhere from three to five keys which often had no rhyme nor 
 reason to them (e.g. control-option-u for the rotor when the letter u is 
 absent from the word rotor), or the way you were often forced to remove 
 hands from the home keys to enter for example control-option-shift-f3 to 
 toggle cursor tracking since the macbook pro lacks a control on the right 
 side.
 
 I realize that personal preferences vary, but I began using the trackpad 
 almost exclusively and now find reviewing email and web navigation very 
 comfortable and fast using MacOs and voiceOver.  I will share some details 
 if the trackpad is even applicable in your situation.  If you are going to 
 stay with the keyboard, I'm afraid Sarah has your best answer on this 
 thread so far -- essentially that you're SOL.
 
 Best regards.
 Geoff 
 
 On Oct 4, 2010, at 6:25 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
 
> Hello, everyone.  I am Linda Adams, a very new and inexperienced user of 
> an Apple Snow Leopard 10.6.  I have been a Windoes user for ten years, 
> and now
> I am experimenting to see if the Apple Snow Leopard will be comfortably 
> accessible. 
> 
> My computer technician friend has been worried for a while about the
> increasing security problems with Windows computers and is wanting me to 
> switch to Apple.  I would be very interested to hear from former Windows 
> users
> regarding what benefits they experience with Apple versus the Windows PC 
> computer.
> On a more specific note, is there anything that I can set in System 
> Preferences or VoiceOver Utility to get rid of the table view in Mail and 
> switch it
> to a list view so that there aren't as many navigation steps to go 
> through to read messages?
> Are there settings that I can do to allow me to read a website line by 
> line from the top of the page to the bottom in Safari?  I like to go to 
> catalog websites
> such as LL Bean or The Vermont Country Store where there are plain text 
> descriptions of every product below that product link.  I want to see the 
> web pages
> as they really are rather than just being shown links, headers, or other 
> such element groups.
> My hands are quite small.  Is it possible to change settings so that not 
> as many keys need to be pressed at a time to perform functions?  I know 
> about Quick Nav and locking the VoiceOver keys, but the VoiceOver keys 
> often need to be unlocked to perform other commands.  
> Thank you for any advice and help that you can give me.  I have three 
> friends counting on me to tell them whether Apple would be good to switch 
> to or not.
> 
> Linda Adams
> 
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Re: mac mini server with no keyboard but the bluetooth one

[Vaughn Bennison]

When you start the machine for the first time, it should automatically after 
some time, give you the start voiceover thing.  If this doesn't happen, booting 
from the snowleopard dvd should start voiceover, again wait a few minutes for 
it to start talking.  I could be wrong but that should happen.  I was surprised 
to discover that my bluetooth keyboard which I had been using for months on my 
Macbook Pro worked on my mac mini with no configuration or anything, and in 
fact worked while installing windows on bootcamp!

Vaughn>
On 05/10/2010, at 3:33 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote:

> Hi list,
> 
> In preparation for my IT pro certification i've purchased a mac mini server 
> late 2010.
> 
> AFter having sussed the hardware plug locations and taking the lid off to 
> feel how easy it is to upgrade it, i've decided to start it up.
> 
> I have one problem here. I have no wired keyboard, but i do have a bluetooth 
> one which the apple representative at the store told me would be recognized 
> immediately by the OS.
> 
> Well, it's not happening, and i have no idea how i can tell whether it has 
> been paired or not aside from the fact that it apparently hasn't paired with 
> no reaction when i try turning VO on.
> 
> 
> I could start booting with the snow leopard install DVD but even then how am 
> i supposed to start vo without any input device apparently recognized by the 
> software?
> 
> 
> Serious newbie question here, but its something i guess someone could 
> troubleshoot right away with sight.
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated 
> 
> Thanks, and best 
> 
> 
> Yuma DX®
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: Recommendations for FTP blient for the mac?

[Jude DaShiell]

The mac already comes with sftp which is part of openssh package and if 
you're at all concerned about on line security, you'll do well to get 
acquainted.On Sat, 2 Oct 2010, Jenny Wood wrote:


Greetings again!  So basically, I am wondering what recommendations, if any, 
might be out there for FTP clients for the mac, and accessible with voiceover 
of course.

Thank you!
Jenny Wood
kc5...@gmail.com



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Re: mac mini server with no keyboard but the bluetooth one

[Yuma Decaux]

Hi,

Yes that wasn't an option until a few hours ago. I just ordered the us b one as 
i found out the process for the bluetooth kb required a manipulation within the 
os which is impossible for me.

So the bluetooth sticks to my macbook pro for comfort and range while the mac 
mini stays static in location, and IP address :)


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Re: #ot configuring network settings with D-Link Extreme?

[Scott Howell]

Yeah, I forget the name of the one open firmware, but the version was WHite 
RUssian and it was very slick for what it did as compared to the stock Linksys 
firmware.
On Oct 5, 2010, at 1:19 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

> Linksys is a subsiddery  of cisco. 
> Linksys is the name that cisco put on their residential  or retail devices
> where as on their commercial devices they put the cisco name.
> They also don't give Linksys devices the same level of configuration as
> cisco devices are given. 
> 
> However some Linksys devices it is possible to wipe the firmware and
> install surtain versions of other linux based control os to up grade the
> systems.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 October 2010 5:22 a.m.
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: #ot configuring network settings with D-Link Extreme?
> 
> Really, that is interesting. I have an old Linksys I keep here as a backup
> and it served me well until I switched to Apple routers. Cisco must have
> sold off or farmed out development for their routers lately. DLink was not
> the recommended router a few years ago. Funny how manufacturers swap places
> in the rankings from time to time.
> On Oct 4, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> Do * not * buy anything linksys!
>> 
>> They are knock off cisco products and have al the problems inharent in
> that.
>> 
>> They do not forward at line rate, do not have stable radios and have
> serious under processing problems.  They also have squirrely results when
> left on for a long period of time.
>> 
>> D-Link was definitely the right choice.  Oh and the QOS isn't broken on a
> D-Link extreme like it is on the Linksys.  Linksys products don't
> appropriately classify or tag traffic for QOS calculations.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 4, 2010, at 1:04 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> 
>>> Have a look at your router or gateway ip address and use that to log 
>>> on to the device.
>>> But I'd say tak ethe the d-link device back and get a new Linksys device.
>>> I"ve never found d-link to be much good for anything and their 
>>> interface was never overly great.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Monday, 4 October 2010 10:23 a.m.
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: #ot configuring network settings with D-Link Extreme?
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Our linksys router broke this week, so we just replaced it with a 
>>> D-Link extreme.  But we're having a problem in that our network 
>>> settings don't seem to be sticking.  How does one go into the network 
>>> settings for a D-link router, the old httP;//192.168.1.1 doesn't seem to
> work in this case.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
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Re: using track changes and comments in pages

[Scott Howell]

This is something we need to ping APple about and repeatedly. 
On Oct 5, 2010, at 1:09 AM, Braille wrote:

> Track change requires that the focus can be monitored real time. If you click 
> on edit, track change, track change bar appears under the regular menu bar. 
> While you can accept, reject, and or ignore any changes made on the document, 
> you cannot tell which word or sentence or letter is being edited because VO 
> does not track the track change area while reading the body text. That being 
> said, I am producing and editing with track changes all the time and can only 
> be successful with the use of MS word on Boot camp side. 
> I know that this is not the answer that you want to hear but for now, that is 
> the way it is as far as I know.
> 
> On Oct 4, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Greg Aikens wrote:
> 
>> Hey people,
>> I asked this question before but got no response. I'm still trying to figure 
>> out how to make use of the track changes and comment features in pages. I 
>> have a document which my professor has marked up with corrections and I need 
>> to figure out where each correction goes. Any help is appreciated... Come on 
>> power pages users...
>> 
>> -Greg
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Re: mac mini server with no keyboard but the bluetooth one

[Scott Howell]

Perhaps if you have a USB keyboard handy you could just plug that in for the 
minute. Seems to me that you would have to pair the keyboard and after that it 
would be recognized in the future.
On Oct 5, 2010, at 1:33 AM, Yuma Decaux wrote:

> Hi list,
> 
> In preparation for my IT pro certification i've purchased a mac mini server 
> late 2010.
> 
> AFter having sussed the hardware plug locations and taking the lid off to 
> feel how easy it is to upgrade it, i've decided to start it up.
> 
> I have one problem here. I have no wired keyboard, but i do have a bluetooth 
> one which the apple representative at the store told me would be recognized 
> immediately by the OS.
> 
> Well, it's not happening, and i have no idea how i can tell whether it has 
> been paired or not aside from the fact that it apparently hasn't paired with 
> no reaction when i try turning VO on.
> 
> 
> I could start booting with the snow leopard install DVD but even then how am 
> i supposed to start vo without any input device apparently recognized by the 
> software?
> 
> 
> Serious newbie question here, but its something i guess someone could 
> troubleshoot right away with sight.
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated 
> 
> Thanks, and best 
> 
> 
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Re: Navigating mail and Safari

[Eric Oyen]

is that a usb device?
if so, I can plug it right into the keyboard.

-Eric

On Oct 5, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> You might consider a magic trackpad maybe? Not sure if it will run on your 
> mac.
> 
> S
> On Oct 5, 2010, at 12:46 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:
> 
>> h,
>> I am intrigued. my machine is a desktop equipped to handle a mouse. I am not 
>> sure that this would work in the same way as a trackpad (gestures would 
>> certainly vary). I happen to also find some of the key combinations to be 
>> irritatingly non-relevant to their functions.
>> 
>> about the only thing I use the mouse for is the right mouse button context 
>> menu access.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> On Oct 4, 2010, at 9:39 PM, GEOFF WAALER wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Linda,
>>> 
>>> What flavor of Mac do you have?  Does it have a trackpad?  If so would you 
>>> be willing to consider that interface as an alternative to the keyboard?
>>> 
>>> Personally I became extremely disgusted with the fact that all VO commands 
>>> required anywhere from three to five keys which often had no rhyme nor 
>>> reason to them (e.g. control-option-u for the rotor when the letter u is 
>>> absent from the word rotor), or the way you were often forced to remove 
>>> hands from the home keys to enter for example control-option-shift-f3 to 
>>> toggle cursor tracking since the macbook pro lacks a control on the right 
>>> side.
>>> 
>>> I realize that personal preferences vary, but I began using the trackpad 
>>> almost exclusively and now find reviewing email and web navigation very 
>>> comfortable and fast using MacOs and voiceOver.  I will share some details 
>>> if the trackpad is even applicable in your situation.  If you are going to 
>>> stay with the keyboard, I'm afraid Sarah has your best answer on this 
>>> thread so far -- essentially that you're SOL.
>>> 
>>> Best regards.
>>> Geoff 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 4, 2010, at 6:25 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
>>> 
 Hello, everyone.  I am Linda Adams, a very new and inexperienced user of 
 an Apple Snow Leopard 10.6.  I have been a Windoes user for ten years, and 
 now
 I am experimenting to see if the Apple Snow Leopard will be comfortably 
 accessible. 
 
 My computer technician friend has been worried for a while about the
 increasing security problems with Windows computers and is wanting me to 
 switch to Apple.  I would be very interested to hear from former Windows 
 users
 regarding what benefits they experience with Apple versus the Windows PC 
 computer.
 On a more specific note, is there anything that I can set in System 
 Preferences or VoiceOver Utility to get rid of the table view in Mail and 
 switch it
 to a list view so that there aren't as many navigation steps to go through 
 to read messages?
 Are there settings that I can do to allow me to read a website line by 
 line from the top of the page to the bottom in Safari?  I like to go to 
 catalog websites
 such as LL Bean or The Vermont Country Store where there are plain text 
 descriptions of every product below that product link.  I want to see the 
 web pages
 as they really are rather than just being shown links, headers, or other 
 such element groups.
 My hands are quite small.  Is it possible to change settings so that not 
 as many keys need to be pressed at a time to perform functions?  I know 
 about Quick Nav and locking the VoiceOver keys, but the VoiceOver keys 
 often need to be unlocked to perform other commands.  
 Thank you for any advice and help that you can give me.  I have three 
 friends counting on me to tell them whether Apple would be good to switch 
 to or not.
 
 Linda Adams
 
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Re: ntfs 3g

[Sarah Alawami]

> Just follow the directions in the pkg file. I if you  already installed 
> macfuse don't worry about the check box when you customize. if you didn't you 
> can install when you hit the customize button at one of the prompts.

S
On Oct 4, 2010, at 9:35 PM, Robert Hooper wrote:

> Hello once again:)
> 
> How do I install and use NTFS 3g? Sorry for my lack of knowledge regarding 
> these matters.
> Robert Hooper
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Re: Navigating mail and Safari

[Sarah Alawami]

You might consider a magic trackpad maybe? Not sure if it will run on your mac.

S
On Oct 5, 2010, at 12:46 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:

> h,
> I am intrigued. my machine is a desktop equipped to handle a mouse. I am not 
> sure that this would work in the same way as a trackpad (gestures would 
> certainly vary). I happen to also find some of the key combinations to be 
> irritatingly non-relevant to their functions.
> 
> about the only thing I use the mouse for is the right mouse button context 
> menu access.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> On Oct 4, 2010, at 9:39 PM, GEOFF WAALER wrote:
> 
>> Hi Linda,
>> 
>> What flavor of Mac do you have?  Does it have a trackpad?  If so would you 
>> be willing to consider that interface as an alternative to the keyboard?
>> 
>> Personally I became extremely disgusted with the fact that all VO commands 
>> required anywhere from three to five keys which often had no rhyme nor 
>> reason to them (e.g. control-option-u for the rotor when the letter u is 
>> absent from the word rotor), or the way you were often forced to remove 
>> hands from the home keys to enter for example control-option-shift-f3 to 
>> toggle cursor tracking since the macbook pro lacks a control on the right 
>> side.
>> 
>> I realize that personal preferences vary, but I began using the trackpad 
>> almost exclusively and now find reviewing email and web navigation very 
>> comfortable and fast using MacOs and voiceOver.  I will share some details 
>> if the trackpad is even applicable in your situation.  If you are going to 
>> stay with the keyboard, I'm afraid Sarah has your best answer on this thread 
>> so far -- essentially that you're SOL.
>> 
>> Best regards.
>> Geoff 
>> 
>> On Oct 4, 2010, at 6:25 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello, everyone.  I am Linda Adams, a very new and inexperienced user of an 
>>> Apple Snow Leopard 10.6.  I have been a Windoes user for ten years, and now
>>> I am experimenting to see if the Apple Snow Leopard will be comfortably 
>>> accessible. 
>>> 
>>> My computer technician friend has been worried for a while about the
>>> increasing security problems with Windows computers and is wanting me to 
>>> switch to Apple.  I would be very interested to hear from former Windows 
>>> users
>>> regarding what benefits they experience with Apple versus the Windows PC 
>>> computer.
>>> On a more specific note, is there anything that I can set in System 
>>> Preferences or VoiceOver Utility to get rid of the table view in Mail and 
>>> switch it
>>> to a list view so that there aren't as many navigation steps to go through 
>>> to read messages?
>>> Are there settings that I can do to allow me to read a website line by line 
>>> from the top of the page to the bottom in Safari?  I like to go to catalog 
>>> websites
>>> such as LL Bean or The Vermont Country Store where there are plain text 
>>> descriptions of every product below that product link.  I want to see the 
>>> web pages
>>> as they really are rather than just being shown links, headers, or other 
>>> such element groups.
>>> My hands are quite small.  Is it possible to change settings so that not as 
>>> many keys need to be pressed at a time to perform functions?  I know about 
>>> Quick Nav and locking the VoiceOver keys, but the VoiceOver keys often need 
>>> to be unlocked to perform other commands.  
>>> Thank you for any advice and help that you can give me.  I have three 
>>> friends counting on me to tell them whether Apple would be good to switch 
>>> to or not.
>>> 
>>> Linda Adams
>>> 
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Re: Navigating mail and Safari

[Eric Oyen]

h,
I am intrigued. my machine is a desktop equipped to handle a mouse. I am not 
sure that this would work in the same way as a trackpad (gestures would 
certainly vary). I happen to also find some of the key combinations to be 
irritatingly non-relevant to their functions.

about the only thing I use the mouse for is the right mouse button context menu 
access.

-Eric

On Oct 4, 2010, at 9:39 PM, GEOFF WAALER wrote:

> Hi Linda,
> 
> What flavor of Mac do you have?  Does it have a trackpad?  If so would you be 
> willing to consider that interface as an alternative to the keyboard?
> 
> Personally I became extremely disgusted with the fact that all VO commands 
> required anywhere from three to five keys which often had no rhyme nor reason 
> to them (e.g. control-option-u for the rotor when the letter u is absent from 
> the word rotor), or the way you were often forced to remove hands from the 
> home keys to enter for example control-option-shift-f3 to toggle cursor 
> tracking since the macbook pro lacks a control on the right side.
> 
> I realize that personal preferences vary, but I began using the trackpad 
> almost exclusively and now find reviewing email and web navigation very 
> comfortable and fast using MacOs and voiceOver.  I will share some details if 
> the trackpad is even applicable in your situation.  If you are going to stay 
> with the keyboard, I'm afraid Sarah has your best answer on this thread so 
> far -- essentially that you're SOL.
> 
> Best regards.
> Geoff 
> 
> On Oct 4, 2010, at 6:25 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
> 
>> Hello, everyone.  I am Linda Adams, a very new and inexperienced user of an 
>> Apple Snow Leopard 10.6.  I have been a Windoes user for ten years, and now
>> I am experimenting to see if the Apple Snow Leopard will be comfortably 
>> accessible. 
>> 
>> My computer technician friend has been worried for a while about the
>> increasing security problems with Windows computers and is wanting me to 
>> switch to Apple.  I would be very interested to hear from former Windows 
>> users
>> regarding what benefits they experience with Apple versus the Windows PC 
>> computer.
>> On a more specific note, is there anything that I can set in System 
>> Preferences or VoiceOver Utility to get rid of the table view in Mail and 
>> switch it
>> to a list view so that there aren't as many navigation steps to go through 
>> to read messages?
>> Are there settings that I can do to allow me to read a website line by line 
>> from the top of the page to the bottom in Safari?  I like to go to catalog 
>> websites
>> such as LL Bean or The Vermont Country Store where there are plain text 
>> descriptions of every product below that product link.  I want to see the 
>> web pages
>> as they really are rather than just being shown links, headers, or other 
>> such element groups.
>> My hands are quite small.  Is it possible to change settings so that not as 
>> many keys need to be pressed at a time to perform functions?  I know about 
>> Quick Nav and locking the VoiceOver keys, but the VoiceOver keys often need 
>> to be unlocked to perform other commands.  
>> Thank you for any advice and help that you can give me.  I have three 
>> friends counting on me to tell them whether Apple would be good to switch to 
>> or not.
>> 
>> Linda Adams
>> 
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