Outlook for Mac

[Edward Green]

Hi,

I saw a thread earlier in the week suggesting that the latest version of 
Outlook was accessible using Voiceover under OSX.

However, I can’t find any references online to anything more recent than 
Outlook 2011, and when I search for Outlook in the App Store, I can’t find it.

Is Outlook 2011 the accessible version or is there something more recent? 
Please could someone let me know where I can get hold of whichever version I 
need?

Many thanks,

Ed

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Re: Tracking changes in Pages

[Grant Hardy]

Hi Anne,

Thanks so much for the prompt reply.

I’m unfortunately still having a lot of trouble with using these track changes 
features, particularly with comments.

1. The only way I’ve found to move to the next or previous comment is by 
interacting with the “Change tracking and annotations” toolbar group. I can see 
how many comments are in a document and there are previous and next buttons.

2. When I hit the Next or previous button to jump to the next or previous 
comment, I hear VO play the sound that normally indicates that there is a popup 
somewhere. However, VO doesn’t read the popup and VOShiftJ has no effect. I am 
returned to the document and the word at which there is a comment seems to 
usually be selected.

3. Pressing VOJ jumps me between the formatter and the document, as it normally 
does. VOShiftJ just produces the beep sound indicating that I’ve pressed an 
invalid command. There appears to be no way to read the comment.

4. I seem to be able to make comments on my own. If I select a word, I can then 
stop interacting with the body and with the document layout area, interact with 
the change tracking and annotations toolbar group, and select the comment 
button. I can type in the comment into a popover and save it by using VORight 
to navigate and select an unlabeled button next to the comment edit field.

5. As soon as I close the popover, I can’t bet it back. If I put the cursor a 
little above the spot where I made my own comment then select the next comment 
button, the word at which I made the comment is selected, however VO never 
shows me the popover again.

I hope this makes sense. Am I missing something here?

Grant

On Nov 14, 2014, at 12:56 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

Hello Grant,

Here’s a quick explanation of tracking changes with VoiceOver.

Turn on Track Changes in the Edit menu.
A Change tracking and annotations toolbar will appear.
This contains the Previous and Next buttons and tells you how many changes have 
been made.
In this toolbar, you can accept or reject changes and see who made each change.
Cmd-Option-k takes you to the next change and highlights it. Normally, the VO 
cursor will land in the Change tracking and annotations popover, but if not, 
VO-Shift-j will take you there. The popover behaves like the toolbar.
Cmd-Option-a accepts a change and Cmd-Option-r rejects it.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 14 Nov 2014, at 00:53, Grant Hardy  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I can’t find any documentation on how, or indeed if, a VoiceOver user can 
> accept or reject changes made to a document, or review a document’s comments. 
> Does anybody have experience with this?
> 
> Best,
> 
> Grant
> 
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Re: question about log-in options

[Cheryl Homiak]

Oh good! After I posted I realized I should tell you that you could log out 
without restarting but hadn't gotten back to post it! Glad everything is intact!

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> On Nov 14, 2014, at 10:42 PM, Juliette Swiler  wrote:
> 
> Problem solved. I was able to log out, and then use VoiceOver at the log-in 
> screen to select my name as the user and then enter my password.
>> On Nov 14, 2014, at 6:40 PM, Juliette Swiler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I know when I set up my Mac for the first time that it asked for an 
>> administrator name and password for logging in, as well as if the screen 
>> goes to sleep. This was working fine until I upgraded to Yosemite. Since 
>> then, it appears that I am now logged in as a guest user. How would I go 
>> about fixing this? Thanks.
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Re: question about log-in options

[Juliette Swiler]

Problem solved. I was able to log out, and then use VoiceOver at the log-in 
screen to select my name as the user and then enter my password.
> On Nov 14, 2014, at 6:40 PM, Juliette Swiler  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I know when I set up my Mac for the first time that it asked for an 
> administrator name and password for logging in, as well as if the screen goes 
> to sleep. This was working fine until I upgraded to Yosemite. Since then, it 
> appears that I am now logged in as a guest user. How would I go about fixing 
> this? Thanks. 
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Mail Time format different than computer

[Matt Dierckens]

Hi all.
I have my computer set for 24 hour time, however, my mail keeps announcing 
times in 12 hour time. Is there a way that this can be fixed?
Thanks.

Matt Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670 ext. 3
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Re: music streaming services

[Matt Dierckens]

Hello.
YoruFukurou is a great twitter client for the mac. Also, for pandora, Hermes is 
great too.
The site for Jango radio "www.jango.com" is alright in terms of accessibility.
HTH.

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> On Nov 14, 2014, at 19:44, Juliette Swiler  wrote:
> 
> I was wondering if anyone knew if any of the streaming services had 
> accessible apps for the Mac? I am referring to Pandora, Spotify, Rdio, Beats 
> Music, etc. I did download Radium, and that does seem to be pretty 
> accessible. Also, I am looking for something accessible for Twitter and 
> Facebook for the Mac. If anyone has any suggestions, please feel free. I am a 
> brand new Mac user but am not familiar with what is out there for the blind. 
> So far, I am loving my Mac minus the frustrations of learning VoiceOver. I 
> did sign up for the Mac Masters series on Fedora Outlier, and that is 
> helping.  I hope the questions I right to the list don’t seem too basic. Just 
> trying to learn the ropes. So far, this list has been extremely helpful. 
> Thanks.
> Juliette
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Re: question about log-in options

[Cheryl Homiak]

Yes, anything you have done as a guest will be deleted. If your real username 
is still there, those files will not be deleted.

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and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
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> On Nov 14, 2014, at 7:55 PM, Juliette Swiler  wrote:
> 
> I just tried to shut down, and it prompts me that if I shut down, my files 
> will be deleted and can not be recovered.
>> On Nov 14, 2014, at 7:42 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
>> 
>> I really don't know under what circumstances you would have been logged in 
>> as guest unless you accidentally chose that user when logging in. What 
>> happens if you shut down your computer and restart it. I don't think you 
>> would be allowed to login automatically as a guest. You should come to a 
>> login screen. There you can pick the correct user and log in accordingly 
>> assuming you still know your password. Or if you have the login screen set 
>> up so that it just presents blanks for the username and password, enter your 
>> username and password there and log in.
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
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>> 
>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
>> thrown in the trash!
>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>> His joy for my despairing tears!
>> And now, every day:
>> "This I call to mind,
>> and therefore I have hope:
>> The steadfast love of the Lord
>> never ceases;
>> his mercies never come to an end;
>> they are new every morning;
>> great is your faithfulness."
>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2014, at 6:40 PM, Juliette Swiler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I know when I set up my Mac for the first time that it asked for an 
>>> administrator name and password for logging in, as well as if the screen 
>>> goes to sleep. This was working fine until I upgraded to Yosemite. Since 
>>> then, it appears that I am now logged in as a guest user. How would I go 
>>> about fixing this? Thanks.   
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Re: question about log-in options

[Juliette Swiler]

I just tried to shut down, and it prompts me that if I shut down, my files will 
be deleted and can not be recovered.
> On Nov 14, 2014, at 7:42 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
> 
> I really don't know under what circumstances you would have been logged in as 
> guest unless you accidentally chose that user when logging in. What happens 
> if you shut down your computer and restart it. I don't think you would be 
> allowed to login automatically as a guest. You should come to a login screen. 
> There you can pick the correct user and log in accordingly assuming you still 
> know your password. Or if you have the login screen set up so that it just 
> presents blanks for the username and password, enter your username and 
> password there and log in.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cheryl
> 
> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
> thrown in the trash!
> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
> His joy for my despairing tears!
> And now, every day:
> "This I call to mind,
> and therefore I have hope:
> The steadfast love of the Lord
> never ceases;
> his mercies never come to an end;
> they are new every morning;
> great is your faithfulness."
> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2014, at 6:40 PM, Juliette Swiler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I know when I set up my Mac for the first time that it asked for an 
>> administrator name and password for logging in, as well as if the screen 
>> goes to sleep. This was working fine until I upgraded to Yosemite. Since 
>> then, it appears that I am now logged in as a guest user. How would I go 
>> about fixing this? Thanks.
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Re: question about log-in options

[Cheryl Homiak]

I really don't know under what circumstances you would have been logged in as 
guest unless you accidentally chose that user when logging in. What happens if 
you shut down your computer and restart it. I don't think you would be allowed 
to login automatically as a guest. You should come to a login screen. There you 
can pick the correct user and log in accordingly assuming you still know your 
password. Or if you have the login screen set up so that it just presents 
blanks for the username and password, enter your username and password there 
and log in.


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I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
"This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




> On Nov 14, 2014, at 6:40 PM, Juliette Swiler  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I know when I set up my Mac for the first time that it asked for an 
> administrator name and password for logging in, as well as if the screen goes 
> to sleep. This was working fine until I upgraded to Yosemite. Since then, it 
> appears that I am now logged in as a guest user. How would I go about fixing 
> this? Thanks. 
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trouble with quickNav

[Juliette Swiler]

This is strange. All of a sudden my QuickNav is giving me problems. When I turn 
it on with the left and right arrow keys, I can only left and right arrow 
through options. If I bring up a menu, I can’t up and down arrow through the 
choices without turning QuickNav off. Anyone ever seen this?  Thanks.

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music streaming services

[Juliette Swiler]

I was wondering if anyone knew if any of the streaming services had accessible 
apps for the Mac? I am referring to Pandora, Spotify, Rdio, Beats Music, etc. I 
did download Radium, and that does seem to be pretty accessible. Also, I am 
looking for something accessible for Twitter and Facebook for the Mac. If 
anyone has any suggestions, please feel free. I am a brand new Mac user but am 
not familiar with what is out there for the blind. So far, I am loving my Mac 
minus the frustrations of learning VoiceOver. I did sign up for the Mac Masters 
series on Fedora Outlier, and that is helping.  I hope the questions I right to 
the list don’t seem too basic. Just trying to learn the ropes. So far, this 
list has been extremely helpful. Thanks.
Juliette

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question about log-in options

[Juliette Swiler]

Hello,
I know when I set up my Mac for the first time that it asked for an 
administrator name and password for logging in, as well as if the screen goes 
to sleep. This was working fine until I upgraded to Yosemite. Since then, it 
appears that I am now logged in as a guest user. How would I go about fixing 
this? Thanks.   

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Re: Masque Attack: All Your iOS Apps Belong to Us

[Grant Hardy]

As the Reuters article states, there are two places a non-jailbroken user can 
get apps from: Apple’s App Store, "or from their own organizations”. There is 
in fact a way that private companies can distribute their own in-house apps 
without submitting them to Apple’s App Store, by using the enterprise 
provisioning features iOS supports. These are distributed outside the App 
Store, and Apple allows a company to provision a certain number of iOS devices 
to be authorized for use with these apps. I believe it is this that the mask 
attack exploit is taking advantage of, thus no jailbreaking would be required. 
Most users probably have never used these features, so the fear is that they 
might allow the rogue app to install because they don’t know what the warnings 
mean. Now, I’m hardly the authority on this exploit but I am almost positive it 
affects non-jailbroken phones. That is why it is making the news.

Grant

On Nov 14, 2014, at 2:04 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

or from their own organizations

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Re: Masque Attack: All Your iOS Apps Belong to Us

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Hmm. From the Reuters article:

"Such attacks could be avoided if iPad and iPhone users only installed 
apps from Apple's App Store or from their own organizations, it said."


http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/11/13/uk-apple-cybersecurity-dhs-idUKKCN0IX29P20141113

So that seems to imply that installing from places other than Apple's 
app store, and that would need a jailbreak. The Wire Lurker used stolen 
credentials to install without being jailbroken but Apple already 
deactivated those credentials, not that it couldn't happen again. It 
just makes the barrier kind of high for that kind of attack working for 
very long. Macworld had a nice writeup on all this OSX and iOS security:


http://www.macworld.com/article/2847465/let-the-right-one-in-apple-uses-two-doors-to-manage-malware.html#tk.nl_mwdaily

CB

On 11/14/14, 2:32 PM, Grant Hardy wrote:

Hi Chris,

You do not have to be jailbroken to be infected with malware using the 
Mask Attack flaw. The malicious app is actually installed using iOS’ 
enterprise provisioning features which would normally allow you to, 
say, install an app from your company’s secure server, or else beta 
test an app. The issue seems to be that iOS does not cryptographically 
verify an application to make sure it has not been tampered with. So, 
for example, once the user gives the go-ahead for one of these apps to 
be installed (e.g. they respond to a prompt promising a new game), the 
Gmail app might be replaced with a malicious application that gathers 
your personal data and sends it to a server, and iOS will allow the 
app to run unimpeded.


There is certainly no need for us to panic as we can simply not 
install apps from untrusted websites or messages, but the major 
security issue here seems to be the lack of cryptographic verification 
that would prevent legitimate apps already installed on the device 
from being tampered with.


That’s probably a pretty rough explanation of the flaw, but you can 
read more about it here: http://www.thesafemac.com/major-ios-insecurity/


Grant

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On Nov 14, 2014, at 9:18 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


The attack assume jumping one fairly substantial hurdle and that is 
you must jailbreak your phone to install apps that don't come from the 
Apple app store. I don't know what percent of people actually do this 
but I suspect it's small, which makes the attack surface small and the 
injury somewhat self-inflicted. Part of the reason the Android 
ecosystem is so full of spyware and such is you can install apps from 
anywhere you please without vetting by anybody. Sooner or later 
something gets in that way. For me, while there are some interesting 
non-approved iOS apps out there that even seem legit, who is to say 
that somebody else didn't mess with it and add a payload of viruses? 
No thanks. I'll stick to the legit store and avoid all that.


CB

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An attack on iOS app validation means that it's possible to be 
tricked into replacing a legitimate app with an illegitimate one 
which looks legitimate.  Furthermore, the illegitimate app has access 
to data of the app it replaced.  Full details here:

http://www.fireeye.com/blog/technical/cyber-exploits/2014/11/masque-attack-all-your-ios-apps-belong-to-us.html

Don't install iOS apps from anywhere other than the App Store, and 
never respond to a prompt requesting installation from a web page or 
somewhere else.  If you are warned that an app is untrusted when you 
launch it, delete it immediately.




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Re: Masque Attack: All Your iOS Apps Belong to Us

[Grant Hardy]

Hi Chris,

You do not have to be jailbroken to be infected with malware using the Mask 
Attack flaw. The malicious app is actually installed using iOS’ enterprise 
provisioning features which would normally allow you to, say, install an app 
from your company’s secure server, or else beta test an app. The issue seems to 
be that iOS does not cryptographically verify an application to make sure it 
has not been tampered with. So, for example, once the user gives the go-ahead 
for one of these apps to be installed (e.g. they respond to a prompt promising 
a new game), the Gmail app might be replaced with a malicious application that 
gathers your personal data and sends it to a server, and iOS will allow the app 
to run unimpeded.

There is certainly no need for us to panic as we can simply not install apps 
from untrusted websites or messages, but the major security issue here seems to 
be the lack of cryptographic verification that would prevent legitimate apps 
already installed on the device from being tampered with.

That’s probably a pretty rough explanation of the flaw, but you can read more 
about it here: http://www.thesafemac.com/major-ios-insecurity/ 


Grant

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On Nov 14, 2014, at 9:18 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:

The attack assume jumping one fairly substantial hurdle and that is you must 
jailbreak your phone to install apps that don't come from the Apple app store. 
I don't know what percent of people actually do this but I suspect it's small, 
which makes the attack surface small and the injury somewhat self-inflicted. 
Part of the reason the Android ecosystem is so full of spyware and such is you 
can install apps from anywhere you please without vetting by anybody. Sooner or 
later something gets in that way. For me, while there are some interesting 
non-approved iOS apps out there that even seem legit, who is to say that 
somebody else didn't mess with it and add a payload of viruses? No thanks. I'll 
stick to the legit store and avoid all that.

CB

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> An attack on iOS app validation means that it's possible to be tricked into 
> replacing a legitimate app with an illegitimate one which looks legitimate.  
> Furthermore, the illegitimate app has access to data of the app it replaced.  
> Full details here:
> http://www.fireeye.com/blog/technical/cyber-exploits/2014/11/masque-attack-all-your-ios-apps-belong-to-us.html
>  
> 
> 
> Don't install iOS apps from anywhere other than the App Store, and never 
> respond to a prompt requesting installation from a web page or somewhere 
> else.  If you are warned that an app is untrusted when you launch it, delete 
> it immediately.
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Re: Masque Attack: All Your iOS Apps Belong to Us

[Chris G]

Hi,
Actually, under security in Android there is a check box that is 
unchecked by default.  The check box says something like unknown 
sources, allow applications from both known and unknown sources to be 
installed.


If the user leaves this box unchecked they can only install from the 
play store.  If they check the box they can install apps from wherever 
they wish.  Ie jail braking as its called on ios.

PS this check box is unchecked on my Android devices.



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On 14-Nov-14 12:18 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:

The attack assume jumping one fairly substantial hurdle and that is you
must jailbreak your phone to install apps that don't come from the Apple
app store. I don't know what percent of people actually do this but I
suspect it's small, which makes the attack surface small and the injury
somewhat self-inflicted. Part of the reason the Android ecosystem is so
full of spyware and such is you can install apps from anywhere you
please without vetting by anybody. Sooner or later something gets in
that way. For me, while there are some interesting non-approved iOS apps
out there that even seem legit, who is to say that somebody else didn't
mess with it and add a payload of viruses? No thanks. I'll stick to the
legit store and avoid all that.

CB

On 11/14/14, 12:18 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

An attack on iOS app validation means that it's possible to be tricked
into replacing a legitimate app with an illegitimate one which looks
legitimate.  Furthermore, the illegitimate app has access to data of
the app it replaced.  Full details here:
http://www.fireeye.com/blog/technical/cyber-exploits/2014/11/masque-attack-all-your-ios-apps-belong-to-us.html


Don't install iOS apps from anywhere other than the App Store, and
never respond to a prompt requesting installation from a web page or
somewhere else.  If you are warned that an app is untrusted when you
launch it, delete it immediately.





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Re: Parallels

[Grant Hardy]

Thanks all for confirming that Parallels is not accessible. That will make the 
purchasing decision easier. :)

Grant

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On Nov 14, 2014, at 6:49 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

Unless something has changed, parallels is not accessible with voiceover and 
the company seems to have no interest in fixing this.
Original message:
> Hi all,

> I hear a lot of people talking about VMWare on this list but don’t hear a lot 
> of discussion about Parallels for Mac. Is anybody using Parallels to run 
> Windows apps, as well as a screen reader, within OS X and how do you find its 
> accessibility and ease of use?

> Best,

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Re: Anyone else having trouble downloading Files in Safari running Yosemite?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi, Gigi,

thanks.  I've never downloaded a file that way. but it worked like a charm.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Nov 13, 2014, at 9:00 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
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> No, and I have downloaded a lot of them lately. I have been doing it with VO 
> shift m to get to the menu and going down arrow to download linked file. I 
> used to have trouble under Mavericks until an Apple representative suggested 
> this other way. I have had no trouble since. 
> Gigi 
> 
> 
> Gigi 
> 
>> On Nov 13, 2014, at 6:59 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I've been sitting here for a half hour trying to download a podcast.  when I 
>> click the download link, I get a Safari Busy message that hangs around for 
>> about 5 minutes, and the fan whirs very loudly, and my Macbook Air (2013) 
>> gets very hot.  At the end of all that, the file is still not downloaded.  
>> Anyone else experiencing this?  It's very frustrating.
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
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updated garage band tutorials?

[Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona]

Hello is there any updated garage band tutorials?
the ones that I have a several years old
thanks
Hank

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Re: Getting your Macbook to wake up when the lid is closed

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Last I heard the only way on current MacBooks was to have an external 
monitor hooked up. Maybe some of the tricks from the MacMini external 
monitor bug would work here as well.


CB

On 11/13/14, 6:47 PM, Grant Hardy wrote:

Hi all,

I’d really love for my Macbook Pro to do a bit of work for me while 
the lid is closed (e.g. wake up at a specific time to record a radio 
show). While you can schedule an MBP to wake up at a prearranged time, 
it appears that you must leave the lid open and not work in “clamshell 
mode”, unless you have an external keyboard, monitor and mouse 
connected to the computer.


Is there any way around this? I have heard of one third party utility 
that forces the Mac to stay awake when the lid is closed, but that 
isn’t exactly what I’m looking for. I don’t mind it going to sleep; I 
just want to be able to wake it up at a chosen time.


Thanks,

Grant

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Re: Masque Attack: All Your iOS Apps Belong to Us

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

The attack assume jumping one fairly substantial hurdle and that is you 
must jailbreak your phone to install apps that don't come from the Apple 
app store. I don't know what percent of people actually do this but I 
suspect it's small, which makes the attack surface small and the injury 
somewhat self-inflicted. Part of the reason the Android ecosystem is so 
full of spyware and such is you can install apps from anywhere you 
please without vetting by anybody. Sooner or later something gets in 
that way. For me, while there are some interesting non-approved iOS apps 
out there that even seem legit, who is to say that somebody else didn't 
mess with it and add a payload of viruses? No thanks. I'll stick to the 
legit store and avoid all that.


CB

On 11/14/14, 12:18 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

An attack on iOS app validation means that it's possible to be tricked into 
replacing a legitimate app with an illegitimate one which looks legitimate.  
Furthermore, the illegitimate app has access to data of the app it replaced.  
Full details here:
http://www.fireeye.com/blog/technical/cyber-exploits/2014/11/masque-attack-all-your-ios-apps-belong-to-us.html

Don't install iOS apps from anywhere other than the App Store, and never 
respond to a prompt requesting installation from a web page or somewhere else.  
If you are warned that an app is untrusted when you launch it, delete it 
immediately.



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Re: Playlist browser in the latest itunes?

[Mark Baxter]

Thanks, Tim! Perfect, and not obvious, at least to me, the first time through.  

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Re: Parallels

[Mike Arrigo]

Unless something has changed, parallels is not accessible with 
voiceover and the company seems to have no interest in fixing this.

Original message:

Hi all,


I hear a lot of people talking about VMWare on this list but don’t hear 
a lot of discussion about Parallels for Mac. Is anybody using Parallels 
to run Windows apps, as well as a screen reader, within OS X and how do 
you find its accessibility and ease of use?



Best,



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Re: Amadeus Pro Tutorial

[Janet Ingber]

Hi Emilio,

Here is the link:

http://www.iblindtech.com/democast/episode-37-podcasting-with-amadeus-pro.html

It’s a great podcast. If for some reason the link doesn’t work, do a google 
search for  i blind tech Amadeus Pro podcast.

Hope this helps.
Janet
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> I have attempted to search online, but my efforts are fruitless.
> I am in search of a particular podcast that is an Amadeus Pro tutorial.
> This podcast is produced by a fellow named Garth from the Blind Cool Tech 
> team.
> If anyone has this podcast in their archives, or if anyone knows how I can go 
> about getting a copy I would be greatly appreciative.
> 
> Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
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Yosemite issue on Macbook air solved.

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
Ok, the issue i had before with the continue button that wasn’t there when i 
tried to install Yosemite is now solved. I had to update to the latest beta 
versions, then i could proceed to updating to a sharp one.
Feeling stupid for asking for help in the first place, but ah well, these 
things happen from time to time. Thanks for bearing with me.
/Krister

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Having a strange issue when installing Yosemite onto my macbook air

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi people.
I’m trying to install the released version of Yosemite onto my Macbook äir 
where there’s a beta version of Yosemite installed. When i try installing 
Yosemite from the purchased items page of the app store, i get a dialog that 
says that i couldn’t complete the purchase, yosemite is already installed on 
this computer use the page for updating if you want to update or click continue 
to fetch the full installer of Yosemite. Then there’s a ”read more” and an ”ok” 
button which is the default, but no ”continue” button whatsoever and if i click 
on ”read more” i’m taken to a page with system requirements for Mavericks and 
if i press ”ok” i’m back where i can get Yosemite again but nothing has been 
done and as i said there’s no ”continue” button nor link nor anything. What 
gives here? What obvious thing am i missing?
/Krister

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Amadeus Pro Tutorial

[Emilio Hernandez]

Hello everyone,
I have attempted to search online, but my efforts are fruitless.
I am in search of a particular podcast that is an Amadeus Pro tutorial.
This podcast is produced by a fellow named Garth from the Blind Cool Tech team.
If anyone has this podcast in their archives, or if anyone knows how I can go 
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Thanks for any help anyone can provide.

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Re: Tracking changes in Pages

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Grant,

Here’s a quick explanation of tracking changes with VoiceOver.

Turn on Track Changes in the Edit menu.
A Change tracking and annotations toolbar will appear.
This contains the Previous and Next buttons and tells you how many changes have 
been made.
In this toolbar, you can accept or reject changes and see who made each change.
Cmd-Option-k takes you to the next change and highlights it. Normally, the VO 
cursor will land in the Change tracking and annotations popover, but if not, 
VO-Shift-j will take you there. The popover behaves like the toolbar.
Cmd-Option-a accepts a change and Cmd-Option-r rejects it.

Cheers,

Anne


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> Hi all,
> 
> I can’t find any documentation on how, or indeed if, a VoiceOver user can 
> accept or reject changes made to a document, or review a document’s comments. 
> Does anybody have experience with this?
> 
> Best,
> 
> Grant
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Re: Parallels

[christopher hallsworth]

That's because Parallels is horrible in terms of accessibility. In other words, 
inaccessible. Vmware is the total opposite though. Go figure.
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> 
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> 
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