Re: syncing iTunes library

2015-01-04 Thread Andrew Lamanche
Yes, you can observe the process within the lcd section of the itunes window.  
The lcd section is to the left of the search field. If you interact with it, 
you can find all sorts of info there, including the stage your sincing is at.

Andrew
 On 3 Jan 2015, at 20:46, Faisal ali faisal.a...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 It seems that syncing iTunes library is no longer as straight forward as it 
 use to be. I am having a difficult time determining whether my iPhone synced 
 with my library, or whether if it is even in the process of syncing. Is there 
 a way to check the progress to see how far along the syncing has come along? 
 Hell, is there a way to see if it is even syncing in the first place?
 Thanks
 
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Google Chrome doesn't perform well under Yosemite

2015-01-04 Thread Andrew Lamanche
Hi,

Since upgrading to Yosemite, I don't seem to be able to use Google Chrome.  It 
gets stuck on a heading and nothing works apart from moving by headings. I 
can't read any content on pages only by heading or links but I can no longer 
use vo+arrow keys to move about in a page.  Has anybody else experienced this?  
Last night, I tried another browser for mac called Aviator and it behaves in 
the same fashion as Google Chrome does now.  Any comments?

Andrew

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Aspects of VoiceOver not working - Read All, Read down, VOJ and Scroll

2015-01-04 Thread April
I am making progress with VoiceOver.

I can read, write, send, reply to, and save email now.  I just have to read 
it by paragraph, and can't jump from the list of four emails to the emails 
themselves.

I can work in Safari, use Skype, Messages, and even have some luck with 
calendar.

However, several commands do not work at all.  It doesn't matter whether I 
use the keyboard commands, the NumPad commands, or the trackpad commands.  

When I try any of the commands to read (two finger swipe up, VOA, VOB), or 
even VOJ, VoiceOver does not make a sound or error code.  I can use most 
any other command.  Even the ones to read by sentence, word, line, 
paragraph.  I've tested with Quick Nav on and with Quick Nav off.  I tested 
with NumPad on and with it off.  Same for trackpad.

Another oddity.  Scroll commands do not work in scroll mode.

Still Another (Are they related?)  Using find with VoiceOver on doesn't 
really work.  I can click to go to the found item, and it goes back to the 
top of the document rather than the found item.  (For instance a search for 
message 7 in the body of the email should go to the words message 7 not 
back to the top of the email.

And I did check the Keyboard help and command sections for NumPad, 
trackpad, QuickNav, and Keyboard. All key combinations are still designated 
correctly.

No luck.

What setting is preventing VOJ, VOA, and VOB from working?


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Hi-jacking?

2015-01-04 Thread Stan ZA
Hi Every1,
Is this a hi-jacking or what?, or am I really missing out, BIG TIME?
Is there some way of blocking this ?

John Thompson info.globalmedslimite...@gmail.com
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Where To Buy Pentobarbital?
 Thanks

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Re: Google Chrome doesn't perform well under Yosemite

2015-01-04 Thread Krister Ekstrom
Hi,
I know this doesn’t help you much and i’m sorry about that since i know how 
frustrating that is, but i don’t seem to have any problems with using Voiceover 
in Google Chrome. It seems to behave like one could expect from the browser, 
but that’s on my mid 2011 IMac.
/Krister

 4 jan 2015 kl. 12:10 skrev Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com:
 
 Hi,
 
 Since upgrading to Yosemite, I don't seem to be able to use Google Chrome.  
 It gets stuck on a heading and nothing works apart from moving by headings. I 
 can't read any content on pages only by heading or links but I can no longer 
 use vo+arrow keys to move about in a page.  Has anybody else experienced 
 this?  Last night, I tried another browser for mac called Aviator and it 
 behaves in the same fashion as Google Chrome does now.  Any comments?
 
 Andrew
 
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Re: safari or chromeVox?

2015-01-04 Thread Krister Ekstrom
Another thing i’ve noticed with Chromevox at least on my machine is that if i 
for some reason have to go outside the html contents of the page, Chromevox 
locks up and can’t move anywhere on the page again and nothing seems to be able 
to bring the focus back again to the html area. If i’m missing some shortcut 
here, please fill me in on it.
/Krister

 4 jan 2015 kl. 11:20 skrev Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com:
 
 Hi. Yes, Chromevox indeed has its pros and cons. One annoying thing you'll 
 find with Chromevox is if you have a website where it refreshes itself in the 
 background, speech interrupts itself.
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
 
 On Jan 4, 2015, at 2:08 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 To me with my style of web browsing, Chrome and Safari are just about equal. 
 There are things i really like with Chrome, such as the fact that it seems 
 to handle complex web pages better than Safari, not giving you so many 
 ”busy, busy” messages. Chrome however, seems to lack the reader that Safari 
 has and which i like to use from time to time, so i guess it’s a matter of 
 preference. You trade off one feature for another unless of course i’m 
 mistaken in which case i’d love to be corrected.
 Chrome vox is sorta half a screen reader, since it doesn’t work in menus and 
 it looks like it can’t read the preferences of Chrome very well, but i can 
 be wrong here. The part that works however, works quite well. You’d probably 
 make it without using Chrome vox however but it’s there for the testing if 
 you want to. I don’t really know what to think yet, but i kinda feel that 
 sometimes it’s a bit verbose, but that could probably be changed.
 /Krister
 
 3 jan 2015 kl. 21:51 skrev Chris Moore chris.w...@gmail.com:
 
 Hello,
 I’m considering installing chromeVox, but am looking for feedback on how it 
 works relative to safari.
 
 TIa
 Chris
 
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Re: itunes radio

2015-01-04 Thread deedra waters
This helped a great deal thank you.

I guess after a month of using voiceover i’m still not used to having to 
interact with everything  in order to manipulate it. 

deedra waters
dee...@the-brannons.com



 On Jan 3, 2015, at 1:01 PM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Interact with the station in question and find the play more like this table. 
  Then, interact with the table and vo-space on Add Artist, Song, or Genre.  
 In the popover, inter something in the edit field.
 If you can't interact with the station, you need to vo-space on it to select 
 it.
 Hope that helps.
 
 
 On Friday, January 2, 2015 2:39:45 PM UTC-6, waters...@gmail.com wrote:
 I could use a bit of help and suggestions on the best way to use itunes 
 radio. I’ve gotten it mostly figured out but what i want to know is how i can 
 add an artist to a station if this is doable. I can create them but  i dont 
 know how to add things to stations. 
 
 General tips might also be helpful. Thanks! 
 
 
 deedra waters 
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Re: Google Chrome doesn't perform well under Yosemite

2015-01-04 Thread Ricardo Walker
Yup.

Same here.  You have to navigate by elements. Heading, link, edit field, etc to 
get around. It’s quite annoying actually. lol.

Ricardo Walker
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 On Jan 4, 2015, at 6:10 AM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Since upgrading to Yosemite, I don't seem to be able to use Google Chrome.  
 It gets stuck on a heading and nothing works apart from moving by headings. I 
 can't read any content on pages only by heading or links but I can no longer 
 use vo+arrow keys to move about in a page.  Has anybody else experienced 
 this?  Last night, I tried another browser for mac called Aviator and it 
 behaves in the same fashion as Google Chrome does now.  Any comments?
 
 Andrew
 
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Re: Putting email lists in contacts

2015-01-04 Thread Alex Hall
In Contacts, there's a list of all groups on the left. Selecting one (you don't 
need to interact with the table, just up/down arrow on it) will cause the list 
of contacts being displayed to be limited to just that group, and the search 
box to only search that group. To add a contact, just find it, copy it with 
cmd-c, find the group you want it in, and paste with cmd-v. To remove a 
contact, find it and hit delete. A popup will appear, asking if you want to 
remove the contact form its current group, or erase it entirely.
 On Jan 4, 2015, at 12:59 AM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I find groups to be rather confusing - not the concept but the practical 
 setup - but I admit I haven't yet concentrated on this a lot. As for 
 duplications, I've had this problem almost from the beginning of having an 
 iOS device along with my Mac. At one point I was able to straighten it out 
 but I have more than one device now and the problem came back. So I finally 
 decided just to make sure I had a backup of all contacts that I could access 
 without the contacts app and then I just plain deleted all my contacts from 
 all devices and computers and stopped that service with iCloud. Now I'm 
 re-entering everything on my computer and it's a pain but it's going to be 
 worth it because of all the duplicates and old info and partial info I'm 
 getting rid of. When this is done i will need to learn to monitor what is 
 happening and catch it before it gets to this point again.
 
 What I decided to do with email lists that I am subscribed to is put a name 
 for the list as the first name and email list without the quotes as the 
 last name. Then all my email lists should end up together under e.
 
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Jan 3, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Mary Jo Partyka choir...@gmail.com 
 mailto:choir...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi, Cheryl,
 
 It’s interesting that you posted aobut having problems with Contacts since I 
 am also having problems.  I was able to put a few groups together on the Mac 
 but because I haven’t done much with it in the past few months, I feel like 
 I’m back to square one now.  I was able to send a required message to one of 
 my groups but had some difficulty putting new people in that group and now I 
 can’t even find the group.  Is there an easy way to go between group lists 
 and contact information etc?  I have been pressing vo command t and going 
 into each of the tables and that seems to work some of the time.  But it 
 feels like the most unorganized ap on the computer.  I also have duplications.
 
 Any suggestions would be helpful.
 
 Mary Jo Partyka
 choir...@gmail.com mailto:choir...@gmail.com
 
 
 On Jan 3, 2015, at 4:52 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com 
 mailto:cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I finally got fed up with all the chaos with contacts on phone, iPad and 
 computer, with lots of duplicates and outdated information still being mixed 
 with the new. I felt this was way beyond the help of just merging contacts 
 or deleting and adding indivicual ones as I've been trying to ignore this 
 problem for quite a while. After careful backing up of all my contact 
 information, I deleted contacts for all accounts on all devices and deleted 
 all contacts in the application on my computer. So now I'm choosing the 
 contacts I really want to keep and am adding all the information back on my 
 computer first. Then I'll turn contacts back on in all accounts on devices.
 
 The one thing I am not sure of is what to do about email lists when putting 
 the information in Contacts on my computer. There are fields for first and 
 last name and company and a checkbox for company but an email list doesn't 
 quite fit either of these choices. I hesitate to put macvisionaries, for 
 example, in as a first or last name or a company but don't know if I should 
 just put the email address in without a name iname; I'm pretty sure this 
 will disorganize things. Is there an accepted protocol I should follow for 
 this?
 
 Thanks for any help with this.
  
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Google Chrome doesn't perform well under Yosemite

2015-01-04 Thread David Griffith
It is some what worse for me.
I went to www.bbc.co.uk and then followed the News link.
I was unable to read any of the news content on the page using Voiceover keys 
though I could navigate to the first news heading. 

By turning Voiceover off and using Chrome Vox I was able to read the news 
content on the page but in my case Voiceover seemed incapable of detecting and 
reading the actual text apart from header or link or list elements  on the page.

David Griffith
 On 4 Jan 2015, at 13:11, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yup.
 
 Same here.  You have to navigate by elements. Heading, link, edit field, etc 
 to get around. It’s quite annoying actually. lol.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Jan 4, 2015, at 6:10 AM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Since upgrading to Yosemite, I don't seem to be able to use Google Chrome.  
 It gets stuck on a heading and nothing works apart from moving by headings. 
 I can't read any content on pages only by heading or links but I can no 
 longer use vo+arrow keys to move about in a page.  Has anybody else 
 experienced this?  Last night, I tried another browser for mac called 
 Aviator and it behaves in the same fashion as Google Chrome does now.  Any 
 comments?
 
 Andrew
 
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How to access extended lists of choices?

2015-01-04 Thread Joseph
Hello List,
Here's the situation. I'm setting up a new Airport Time Capsule on a new 
network. I'm wanting to access the extended list of choices for selecting the 
type of wireless network. Normally you have only 3 choices, Create a wireless 
network, Extend a wireless network or Off.
A sighted person holds down Option and clicks with the mouse on the popup. How 
does a person using only VoiceOver accomplish the same thing.
So, step by step, How do I as a VO user activate this extended list?
Thanks in advance for any assistance.

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Re: Google Chrome doesn't perform well under Yosemite

2015-01-04 Thread Andrew Lamanche
Thanks Ricardo for confirming this but doesn't it mean that using Google chrome 
is useless now since you can't read the content in between headings, links,, 
edit fields etc? Should I be writing to somebody to let them know?

Andrew
 On 4 Jan 2015, at 13:11, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yup.
 
 Same here.  You have to navigate by elements. Heading, link, edit field, etc 
 to get around. It’s quite annoying actually. lol.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Jan 4, 2015, at 6:10 AM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Since upgrading to Yosemite, I don't seem to be able to use Google Chrome.  
 It gets stuck on a heading and nothing works apart from moving by headings. 
 I can't read any content on pages only by heading or links but I can no 
 longer use vo+arrow keys to move about in a page.  Has anybody else 
 experienced this?  Last night, I tried another browser for mac called 
 Aviator and it behaves in the same fashion as Google Chrome does now.  Any 
 comments?
 
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Re: Google Chrome doesn't perform well under Yosemite

2015-01-04 Thread Andrew Lamanche
Hi Krister,

That's very interesting because I have Yosemite installed on both my Macbook 
air late 2010 and this year's macbook pro and on both, I can't use Google 
Chrome at all.  It drives me mad since Google Chrome was very good in some 
instances, i.e. faster when you were just performing searches for certain info.

Andrew
 On 4 Jan 2015, at 12:45, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 I know this doesn’t help you much and i’m sorry about that since i know how 
 frustrating that is, but i don’t seem to have any problems with using 
 Voiceover in Google Chrome. It seems to behave like one could expect from the 
 browser, but that’s on my mid 2011 IMac.
 /Krister
 
 4 jan 2015 kl. 12:10 skrev Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com:
 
 Hi,
 
 Since upgrading to Yosemite, I don't seem to be able to use Google Chrome.  
 It gets stuck on a heading and nothing works apart from moving by headings. 
 I can't read any content on pages only by heading or links but I can no 
 longer use vo+arrow keys to move about in a page.  Has anybody else 
 experienced this?  Last night, I tried another browser for mac called 
 Aviator and it behaves in the same fashion as Google Chrome does now.  Any 
 comments?
 
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Re: Google Chrome doesn't perform well under Yosemite

2015-01-04 Thread Andrew Lamanche
Hi David,

That's exactly my experience: I am not able to read any content apart from the 
elements on the page.  Would you know who's responsible for Google Chrome's 
accessibility?

Andrew
 On 4 Jan 2015, at 14:14, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It is some what worse for me.
 I went to www.bbc.co.uk and then followed the News link.
 I was unable to read any of the news content on the page using Voiceover keys 
 though I could navigate to the first news heading. 
 
 By turning Voiceover off and using Chrome Vox I was able to read the news 
 content on the page but in my case Voiceover seemed incapable of detecting 
 and reading the actual text apart from header or link or list elements  on 
 the page.
 
 David Griffith
 On 4 Jan 2015, at 13:11, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yup.
 
 Same here.  You have to navigate by elements. Heading, link, edit field, etc 
 to get around. It’s quite annoying actually. lol.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Jan 4, 2015, at 6:10 AM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Since upgrading to Yosemite, I don't seem to be able to use Google Chrome.  
 It gets stuck on a heading and nothing works apart from moving by headings. 
 I can't read any content on pages only by heading or links but I can no 
 longer use vo+arrow keys to move about in a page.  Has anybody else 
 experienced this?  Last night, I tried another browser for mac called 
 Aviator and it behaves in the same fashion as Google Chrome does now.  Any 
 comments?
 
 Andrew
 
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Re: How to access extended lists of choices?

2015-01-04 Thread Andrew Lamanche
Hi Joseph,

This may be totally wrong, and I admit I've not tried myself but what if you 
focused your mouse pointer on the button with vo+command+f5 and switched of 
your trackpad commander, and then literally hold down the option button and 
click the physical mouse pad? It might work, it's certainly worth trying.

Andrew
 On 4 Jan 2015, at 14:16, Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hello List,
 Here's the situation. I'm setting up a new Airport Time Capsule on a new 
 network. I'm wanting to access the extended list of choices for selecting the 
 type of wireless network. Normally you have only 3 choices, Create a wireless 
 network, Extend a wireless network or Off.
 A sighted person holds down Option and clicks with the mouse on the popup. 
 How does a person using only VoiceOver accomplish the same thing.
 So, step by step, How do I as a VO user activate this extended list?
 Thanks in advance for any assistance.
 
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Re: How to access extended lists of choices?

2015-01-04 Thread Joseph
Hello Andrew,
Thanks for your suggestion. It really sounds like it should work. I guess I'll 
go make another cup of coffee and give it another try.
Either I'm doing something wrong, or it just doesn't work. However, I sure do 
appreciate the suggestion.
Thanks.

 On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:24 AM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Joseph,
 
 This may be totally wrong, and I admit I've not tried myself but what if you 
 focused your mouse pointer on the button with vo+command+f5 and switched of 
 your trackpad commander, and then literally hold down the option button and 
 click the physical mouse pad? It might work, it's certainly worth trying.
 
 Andrew
 On 4 Jan 2015, at 14:16, Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hello List,
 Here's the situation. I'm setting up a new Airport Time Capsule on a new 
 network. I'm wanting to access the extended list of choices for selecting 
 the type of wireless network. Normally you have only 3 choices, Create a 
 wireless network, Extend a wireless network or Off.
 A sighted person holds down Option and clicks with the mouse on the popup. 
 How does a person using only VoiceOver accomplish the same thing.
 So, step by step, How do I as a VO user activate this extended list?
 Thanks in advance for any assistance.
 
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Re: Aspects of VoiceOver not working - Read All, Read down, VOJ and Scroll

2015-01-04 Thread Shawn Krasniuk
April, I've given you countless offers to add me on Skype or FaceTime to help 
you fix these issues. It could be several things but without hearing what's 
going on on your end, these are just wild guesses. The offer is still there. 
Skype ID is bbstheblindrapper and FaceTime is the same as this email address.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook

 On Jan 4, 2015, at 6:33 AM, April aprilbrownsh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I am making progress with VoiceOver.
 
 I can read, write, send, reply to, and save email now.  I just have to read 
 it by paragraph, and can't jump from the list of four emails to the emails 
 themselves.
 
 I can work in Safari, use Skype, Messages, and even have some luck with 
 calendar.
 
 However, several commands do not work at all.  It doesn't matter whether I 
 use the keyboard commands, the NumPad commands, or the trackpad commands.  
 
 When I try any of the commands to read (two finger swipe up, VOA, VOB), or 
 even VOJ, VoiceOver does not make a sound or error code.  I can use most any 
 other command.  Even the ones to read by sentence, word, line, paragraph.  
 I've tested with Quick Nav on and with Quick Nav off.  I tested with NumPad 
 on and with it off.  Same for trackpad.
 
 Another oddity.  Scroll commands do not work in scroll mode.
 
 Still Another (Are they related?)  Using find with VoiceOver on doesn't 
 really work.  I can click to go to the found item, and it goes back to the 
 top of the document rather than the found item.  (For instance a search for 
 message 7 in the body of the email should go to the words message 7 not 
 back to the top of the email.
 
 And I did check the Keyboard help and command sections for NumPad, trackpad, 
 QuickNav, and Keyboard. All key combinations are still designated correctly.
 
 No luck.
 
 What setting is preventing VOJ, VOA, and VOB from working?
 
 
 
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Re: Google Chrome doesn't perform well under Yosemite

2015-01-04 Thread Shawn Krasniuk
Hi Andrew. There is a googlegroup called Access Chrome Discuss. You can 
subscribe to that list by sending an email to 
axs-chrome-discuss+subscr...@googlegroups.com 
mailto:axs-chrome-discuss+subscr...@googlegroups.com
HTH.

Shawn
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 On Jan 4, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote:
 
 Thanks Ricardo for confirming this but doesn't it mean that using Google 
 chrome is useless now since you can't read the content in between headings, 
 links,, edit fields etc? Should I be writing to somebody to let them know?
 
 Andrew
 On 4 Jan 2015, at 13:11, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yup.
 
 Same here.  You have to navigate by elements. Heading, link, edit field, etc 
 to get around. It’s quite annoying actually. lol.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Jan 4, 2015, at 6:10 AM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Since upgrading to Yosemite, I don't seem to be able to use Google Chrome.  
 It gets stuck on a heading and nothing works apart from moving by headings. 
 I can't read any content on pages only by heading or links but I can no 
 longer use vo+arrow keys to move about in a page.  Has anybody else 
 experienced this?  Last night, I tried another browser for mac called 
 Aviator and it behaves in the same fashion as Google Chrome does now.  Any 
 comments?
 
 Andrew
 
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Using an external hard drive on both Mac and Windows

2015-01-04 Thread Edward Green
Hi,

I have an external hard drive that I’d like to read and write to on both Mac 
and Windows.

I found an oldish article (from 2012) suggesting that I could use either NTFS 
software on Mac or HFS+ software on Windows to accomplish this, rather than 
dealing with the drawbacks of using FAT32.

Does anyone have any experience of this and have a view as to which solution is 
most accessible?

Thanks,

Ed

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Re: shutting down a Mac Mini

2015-01-04 Thread BobH.
Why is torrent running?

If it's meant to be, then don't shut it down;  if it isn't meant to be, we 
need to stop that first.

Rh.
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Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 10:43 PM
Subject: shutting down a Mac Mini


I’m having trouble getting my Mac mini to shut down. I press the button and 
vo-right arrow to shut down and vo-space on it but it doesn’t shut down. I 
think the reason is because torrent is running in the background. sometimes 
I can tell it hasn’t shut down, but more often it doesn’t talk so I don’t 
know until I go to turn it on next day. what can I do to make sure it 
actually shuts down?

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Re: safari or chromeVox?

2015-01-04 Thread Krister Ekstrom
Hi,
To me with my style of web browsing, Chrome and Safari are just about equal. 
There are things i really like with Chrome, such as the fact that it seems to 
handle complex web pages better than Safari, not giving you so many ”busy, 
busy” messages. Chrome however, seems to lack the reader that Safari has and 
which i like to use from time to time, so i guess it’s a matter of preference. 
You trade off one feature for another unless of course i’m mistaken in which 
case i’d love to be corrected.
Chrome vox is sorta half a screen reader, since it doesn’t work in menus and it 
looks like it can’t read the preferences of Chrome very well, but i can be 
wrong here. The part that works however, works quite well. You’d probably make 
it without using Chrome vox however but it’s there for the testing if you want 
to. I don’t really know what to think yet, but i kinda feel that sometimes it’s 
a bit verbose, but that could probably be changed.
/Krister

 3 jan 2015 kl. 21:51 skrev Chris Moore chris.w...@gmail.com:
 
 Hello,
 I’m considering installing chromeVox, but am looking for feedback on how it 
 works relative to safari.
 
 TIa 
 Chris
 
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Re: Adding Content To Playlists

2015-01-04 Thread Colin Matthews
Hi!
OK within a playlist you can use cut and paste to sort out the order you want 
to have the playlist in!
Command+x to cut and of course command+v to paste!
There is a move command but I cannot remember the key strokes, that might also 
work within a playlist!
HTH Colin

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 Hi everyone.
 
 I know there is a way to add items to a playlist by copying them from 
 whatever location they are direct into the playlist after I hit the add to 
 playlist button, but they don't always end up in the right place--usually at 
 the end. Is there a better way to do this, short of going to Recently Added 
 (which in my case has several thousand items since I am rebuilding my 
 library) finding each file, and doing it via the context menu?
 
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Re: Adding Content To Playlists

2015-01-04 Thread Gerry Cook
Hi i believe its command option  v 
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 On 4 Jan 2015, at 7:53 pm, Colin Matthews velocity.focu...@googlemail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi!
 OK within a playlist you can use cut and paste to sort out the order you want 
 to have the playlist in!
 Command+x to cut and of course command+v to paste!
 There is a move command but I cannot remember the key strokes, that might 
 also work within a playlist!
 HTH Colin
 
 On 4 Jan 2015, at 03:48, Jane juanitatig...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi everyone.
 
 I know there is a way to add items to a playlist by copying them from 
 whatever location they are direct into the playlist after I hit the add to 
 playlist button, but they don't always end up in the right place--usually 
 at the end. Is there a better way to do this, short of going to Recently 
 Added (which in my case has several thousand items since I am rebuilding my 
 library) finding each file, and doing it via the context menu?
 
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Re: Putting email lists in contacts

2015-01-04 Thread David Griffith
I went into contacts to see if anything has changed. For me I do not think it 
has.
On opening Contacts I was able to  navigate  left to  the Group list table. I  
could interact with this table to see all my Groups as well as the one which 
are there by default like All my contacts and On my Mac. . For a new group I 
type command shift N. For a new contact it is command N. By navigating 
rightwards away from the contacts group table I can get to the contacts table 
which corresponds to the group I have highlighted in the left table. I find 
that normal copy and paste and edit commands work here.

The only real difference I have noticed with Yosemite contacts isn that when I 
am editing or creating   a contact  now there are now update create or cancel 
groups rather than buttons. This means that you have to interact with these 
groups before you can see the create update or cancel buttons. This is clunky 
and I  wonder why it is necessary but not a show stopper.


David  Griffith


On 4 Jan 2015, at 05:59, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I find groups to be rather confusing - not the concept but the practical 
 setup - but I admit I haven't yet concentrated on this a lot. As for 
 duplications, I've had this problem almost from the beginning of having an 
 iOS device along with my Mac. At one point I was able to straighten it out 
 but I have more than one device now and the problem came back. So I finally 
 decided just to make sure I had a backup of all contacts that I could access 
 without the contacts app and then I just plain deleted all my contacts from 
 all devices and computers and stopped that service with iCloud. Now I'm 
 re-entering everything on my computer and it's a pain but it's going to be 
 worth it because of all the duplicates and old info and partial info I'm 
 getting rid of. When this is done i will need to learn to monitor what is 
 happening and catch it before it gets to this point again.
 
 What I decided to do with email lists that I am subscribed to is put a name 
 for the list as the first name and email list without the quotes as the 
 last name. Then all my email lists should end up together under e.
 
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Jan 3, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Mary Jo Partyka choir...@gmail.com 
 mailto:choir...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi, Cheryl,
 
 It’s interesting that you posted aobut having problems with Contacts since I 
 am also having problems.  I was able to put a few groups together on the Mac 
 but because I haven’t done much with it in the past few months, I feel like 
 I’m back to square one now.  I was able to send a required message to one of 
 my groups but had some difficulty putting new people in that group and now I 
 can’t even find the group.  Is there an easy way to go between group lists 
 and contact information etc?  I have been pressing vo command t and going 
 into each of the tables and that seems to work some of the time.  But it 
 feels like the most unorganized ap on the computer.  I also have duplications.
 
 Any suggestions would be helpful.
 
 Mary Jo Partyka
 choir...@gmail.com mailto:choir...@gmail.com
 
 
 On Jan 3, 2015, at 4:52 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com 
 mailto:cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I finally got fed up with all the chaos with contacts on phone, iPad and 
 computer, with lots of duplicates and outdated information still being mixed 
 with the new. I felt this was way beyond the help of just merging contacts 
 or deleting and adding indivicual ones as I've been trying to ignore this 
 problem for quite a while. After careful backing up of all my contact 
 information, I deleted contacts for all accounts on all devices and deleted 
 all contacts in the application on my computer. So now I'm choosing the 
 contacts I really want to keep and am adding all the information back on my 
 computer first. Then I'll turn contacts back on in all accounts on devices.
 
 The one thing I am not sure of is what to do about email lists when putting 
 the information in Contacts on my computer. There are fields for first and 
 last name and company and a checkbox for company but an email list doesn't 
 quite fit either of these choices. I hesitate to put macvisionaries, for 
 example, in as a first or last name or a company but don't know if I should 
 just put the email address in without a name iname; I'm pretty sure this 
 will disorganize things. Is there an accepted protocol I should follow for 
 this?
 
 Thanks for any help with this.
  
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled 

Re: shutting down a Mac Mini

2015-01-04 Thread Shawn Krasniuk
Hi. Wow Ricardo, that article was very helpful. The pros of leaving my Mac on 
outweigh the cons.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook

 On Jan 3, 2015, at 11:49 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 nope. turning your computer on/off doesn’t damage any hardware.
 
 That being said, I leave my Mac on all the time as well. I’ll restart maybe 
 once every 2 or 3 weeks for any number of reasons. From updates, to general 
 maintenance.
 
 Bottom line though, you don’t really gain or lose anything either way you go.
 
 Here’s an article about this topic.
 
 http://www.dyminsystems.com/2012/10/04/turn-off-computer/
 
 hth
 
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 On Jan 3, 2015, at 11:42 PM, Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I've said it before and I'll say it again. I never shut down my MacBook 
 unless I take it somewhere. I don't see the reason to. I don't know if this 
 is the same thing with newer Mac models, but I heard from a trusted computer 
 technician that turning off and on a computer damages a hard drive after a 
 time. I keep my Mac on all day and night and it doesn't bother anything or 
 suck up power.
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
 
 On Jan 3, 2015, at 4:43 PM, Lorie McCloud lorice...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I’m having trouble getting my Mac mini to shut down. I press the button and 
 vo-right arrow to shut down and vo-space on it but it doesn’t shut down. I 
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Re: safari or chromeVox?

2015-01-04 Thread Shawn Krasniuk
Hi. Yes, Chromevox indeed has its pros and cons. One annoying thing you'll find 
with Chromevox is if you have a website where it refreshes itself in the 
background, speech interrupts itself.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook

 On Jan 4, 2015, at 2:08 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 To me with my style of web browsing, Chrome and Safari are just about equal. 
 There are things i really like with Chrome, such as the fact that it seems to 
 handle complex web pages better than Safari, not giving you so many ”busy, 
 busy” messages. Chrome however, seems to lack the reader that Safari has and 
 which i like to use from time to time, so i guess it’s a matter of 
 preference. You trade off one feature for another unless of course i’m 
 mistaken in which case i’d love to be corrected.
 Chrome vox is sorta half a screen reader, since it doesn’t work in menus and 
 it looks like it can’t read the preferences of Chrome very well, but i can be 
 wrong here. The part that works however, works quite well. You’d probably 
 make it without using Chrome vox however but it’s there for the testing if 
 you want to. I don’t really know what to think yet, but i kinda feel that 
 sometimes it’s a bit verbose, but that could probably be changed.
 /Krister
 
 3 jan 2015 kl. 21:51 skrev Chris Moore chris.w...@gmail.com:
 
 Hello,
 I’m considering installing chromeVox, but am looking for feedback on how it 
 works relative to safari.
 
 TIa 
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Re: Using an external hard drive on both Mac and Windows

2015-01-04 Thread Kliph
Yes, that article is correct.  If you do fat32, then you will have to use extra 
software to use it on the mac.
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 On Jan 4, 2015, at 1:07 PM, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I have an external hard drive that I’d like to read and write to on both Mac 
 and Windows.
 
 I found an oldish article (from 2012) suggesting that I could use either NTFS 
 software on Mac or HFS+ software on Windows to accomplish this, rather than 
 dealing with the drawbacks of using FAT32.
 
 Does anyone have any experience of this and have a view as to which solution 
 is most accessible?
 
 Thanks,
 
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Observation with Mail under Yosemite

2015-01-04 Thread christopher hallsworth
Hi all,
Just a minor but annoying observation with Mail under Yosemite.
I use the preview pain to read messages. What I do is first select the message 
in the messages table, then press vo-j to interact with the message text. 
Trouble is, I cannot always read the text using standalone arrow keys; I have 
to close the Window, open the mailbox again, select the message, press vo-j and 
can read the message using standard arrow keys.
Why is this? Is there a better way of reading messages? See I use the preview 
pain because as soon as I delete a message the next one is displayed 
automatically. If I actually open the message and delete it, I am returned to 
my messages table which I do not prefer.
Any comments greatly appreciated. Thanks!

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Re: Using an external hard drive on both Mac and Windows

2015-01-04 Thread Mike Arrigo
I would go the fat32 route. The only restriction there is you can’t have files 
larger than 4 GB, and the only time you would have that is if you have large 
video files. This way you are not installing extra software just to use a drive.
On Jan 4, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I have an external hard drive that I’d like to read and write to on both Mac 
 and Windows.
 
 I found an oldish article (from 2012) suggesting that I could use either NTFS 
 software on Mac or HFS+ software on Windows to accomplish this, rather than 
 dealing with the drawbacks of using FAT32.
 
 Does anyone have any experience of this and have a view as to which solution 
 is most accessible?
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: Putting email lists in contacts

2015-01-04 Thread Mary Jo Partyka
Hi, 

Thanks for your help.  I thought I had this mastered but I guess I haven’t.


Mary Jo Partyka
choir...@gmail.com


 On Jan 4, 2015, at 8:48 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 In Contacts, there's a list of all groups on the left. Selecting one (you 
 don't need to interact with the table, just up/down arrow on it) will cause 
 the list of contacts being displayed to be limited to just that group, and 
 the search box to only search that group. To add a contact, just find it, 
 copy it with cmd-c, find the group you want it in, and paste with cmd-v. To 
 remove a contact, find it and hit delete. A popup will appear, asking if you 
 want to remove the contact form its current group, or erase it entirely.
 On Jan 4, 2015, at 12:59 AM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com 
 mailto:cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I find groups to be rather confusing - not the concept but the practical 
 setup - but I admit I haven't yet concentrated on this a lot. As for 
 duplications, I've had this problem almost from the beginning of having an 
 iOS device along with my Mac. At one point I was able to straighten it out 
 but I have more than one device now and the problem came back. So I finally 
 decided just to make sure I had a backup of all contacts that I could access 
 without the contacts app and then I just plain deleted all my contacts from 
 all devices and computers and stopped that service with iCloud. Now I'm 
 re-entering everything on my computer and it's a pain but it's going to be 
 worth it because of all the duplicates and old info and partial info I'm 
 getting rid of. When this is done i will need to learn to monitor what is 
 happening and catch it before it gets to this point again.
 
 What I decided to do with email lists that I am subscribed to is put a name 
 for the list as the first name and email list without the quotes as the 
 last name. Then all my email lists should end up together under e.
 
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Jan 3, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Mary Jo Partyka choir...@gmail.com 
 mailto:choir...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi, Cheryl,
 
 It’s interesting that you posted aobut having problems with Contacts since I 
 am also having problems.  I was able to put a few groups together on the Mac 
 but because I haven’t done much with it in the past few months, I feel like 
 I’m back to square one now.  I was able to send a required message to one of 
 my groups but had some difficulty putting new people in that group and now I 
 can’t even find the group.  Is there an easy way to go between group lists 
 and contact information etc?  I have been pressing vo command t and going 
 into each of the tables and that seems to work some of the time.  But it 
 feels like the most unorganized ap on the computer.  I also have 
 duplications.
 
 Any suggestions would be helpful.
 
 Mary Jo Partyka
 choir...@gmail.com mailto:choir...@gmail.com
 
 
 On Jan 3, 2015, at 4:52 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com 
 mailto:cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I finally got fed up with all the chaos with contacts on phone, iPad and 
 computer, with lots of duplicates and outdated information still being 
 mixed with the new. I felt this was way beyond the help of just merging 
 contacts or deleting and adding indivicual ones as I've been trying to 
 ignore this problem for quite a while. After careful backing up of all my 
 contact information, I deleted contacts for all accounts on all devices and 
 deleted all contacts in the application on my computer. So now I'm choosing 
 the contacts I really want to keep and am adding all the information back 
 on my computer first. Then I'll turn contacts back on in all accounts on 
 devices.
 
 The one thing I am not sure of is what to do about email lists when putting 
 the information in Contacts on my computer. There are fields for first and 
 last name and company and a checkbox for company but an email list doesn't 
 quite fit either of these choices. I hesitate to put macvisionaries, for 
 example, in as a first or last name or a company but don't know if I should 
 just put the email address in without a name iname; I'm pretty sure this 
 will disorganize things. Is there an accepted protocol I should follow for 
 this?
 
 Thanks for any help with this.
  
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never 

VO pronouncing Spanish Accent marks strangely

2015-01-04 Thread Phil Halton
Since upgrading to Yosemite, VO says “combining acute accent” whenever it 
encounters a accent mark in a spanish word. If I switch to the spanish voice it 
pronounces the word correctly, but when reading the spanish word with the 
english voice, I get that annoying phrase. It actually breaks the word in two 
at the accent mark and says “combining acute accent” between the two halves.
Any idea where I can go to fix this so it won’t give that accent mark message?

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Re: Putting email lists in contacts

2015-01-04 Thread Mary Jo Partyka
Thank you.


Mary Jo Partyka
choir...@gmail.com


 On Jan 4, 2015, at 5:10 AM, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I went into contacts to see if anything has changed. For me I do not think it 
 has.
 On opening Contacts I was able to  navigate  left to  the Group list table. I 
  could interact with this table to see all my Groups as well as the one which 
 are there by default like All my contacts and On my Mac. . For a new group I 
 type command shift N. For a new contact it is command N. By navigating 
 rightwards away from the contacts group table I can get to the contacts table 
 which corresponds to the group I have highlighted in the left table. I find 
 that normal copy and paste and edit commands work here.
 
 The only real difference I have noticed with Yosemite contacts isn that when 
 I am editing or creating   a contact  now there are now update create or 
 cancel groups rather than buttons. This means that you have to interact with 
 these groups before you can see the create update or cancel buttons. This is 
 clunky and I  wonder why it is necessary but not a show stopper.
 
 
 David  Griffith
 
 
 On 4 Jan 2015, at 05:59, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com 
 mailto:cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I find groups to be rather confusing - not the concept but the practical 
 setup - but I admit I haven't yet concentrated on this a lot. As for 
 duplications, I've had this problem almost from the beginning of having an 
 iOS device along with my Mac. At one point I was able to straighten it out 
 but I have more than one device now and the problem came back. So I finally 
 decided just to make sure I had a backup of all contacts that I could access 
 without the contacts app and then I just plain deleted all my contacts from 
 all devices and computers and stopped that service with iCloud. Now I'm 
 re-entering everything on my computer and it's a pain but it's going to be 
 worth it because of all the duplicates and old info and partial info I'm 
 getting rid of. When this is done i will need to learn to monitor what is 
 happening and catch it before it gets to this point again.
 
 What I decided to do with email lists that I am subscribed to is put a name 
 for the list as the first name and email list without the quotes as the 
 last name. Then all my email lists should end up together under e.
 
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Jan 3, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Mary Jo Partyka choir...@gmail.com 
 mailto:choir...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi, Cheryl,
 
 It’s interesting that you posted aobut having problems with Contacts since I 
 am also having problems.  I was able to put a few groups together on the Mac 
 but because I haven’t done much with it in the past few months, I feel like 
 I’m back to square one now.  I was able to send a required message to one of 
 my groups but had some difficulty putting new people in that group and now I 
 can’t even find the group.  Is there an easy way to go between group lists 
 and contact information etc?  I have been pressing vo command t and going 
 into each of the tables and that seems to work some of the time.  But it 
 feels like the most unorganized ap on the computer.  I also have 
 duplications.
 
 Any suggestions would be helpful.
 
 Mary Jo Partyka
 choir...@gmail.com mailto:choir...@gmail.com
 
 
 On Jan 3, 2015, at 4:52 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com 
 mailto:cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I finally got fed up with all the chaos with contacts on phone, iPad and 
 computer, with lots of duplicates and outdated information still being 
 mixed with the new. I felt this was way beyond the help of just merging 
 contacts or deleting and adding indivicual ones as I've been trying to 
 ignore this problem for quite a while. After careful backing up of all my 
 contact information, I deleted contacts for all accounts on all devices and 
 deleted all contacts in the application on my computer. So now I'm choosing 
 the contacts I really want to keep and am adding all the information back 
 on my computer first. Then I'll turn contacts back on in all accounts on 
 devices.
 
 The one thing I am not sure of is what to do about email lists when putting 
 the information in Contacts on my computer. There are fields for first and 
 last name and company and a checkbox for company but an email list doesn't 
 quite fit either of these choices. I hesitate to put macvisionaries, for 
 example, in as a first or last name or a company but don't know if I should 
 just put the email address in without a name iname; I'm pretty sure this 
 will 

Re: Using an external hard drive on both Mac and Windows

2015-01-04 Thread Alex Hall
I agree. In 2012, I tried to use some Mac software to let me use NTFS. It not 
only didn't work, it caused stability problems and I eventually just 
uninstalled it. Of course, I was relatively new to the Mac, and I might have 
been doing something wrong, but I don't think so. Better to use a common format 
than try to hack one computer or the other into using a format it can't 
natively handle, I think.
 On Jan 4, 2015, at 3:06 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:
 
 I would go the fat32 route. The only restriction there is you can’t have 
 files larger than 4 GB, and the only time you would have that is if you have 
 large video files. This way you are not installing extra software just to use 
 a drive.
 On Jan 4, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I have an external hard drive that I’d like to read and write to on both Mac 
 and Windows.
 
 I found an oldish article (from 2012) suggesting that I could use either 
 NTFS software on Mac or HFS+ software on Windows to accomplish this, rather 
 than dealing with the drawbacks of using FAT32.
 
 Does anyone have any experience of this and have a view as to which solution 
 is most accessible?
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: Putting email lists in contacts

2015-01-04 Thread Mary Jo Partyka
Hi,

This duplication is confusing.  I would have been better off not trying to put 
in my contacts o all three devices at once.

I worked on some of this yesterday and hope to get a handle on it.


Mary Jo Partyka
choir...@gmail.com


 On Jan 4, 2015, at 12:59 AM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I find groups to be rather confusing - not the concept but the practical 
 setup - but I admit I haven't yet concentrated on this a lot. As for 
 duplications, I've had this problem almost from the beginning of having an 
 iOS device along with my Mac. At one point I was able to straighten it out 
 but I have more than one device now and the problem came back. So I finally 
 decided just to make sure I had a backup of all contacts that I could access 
 without the contacts app and then I just plain deleted all my contacts from 
 all devices and computers and stopped that service with iCloud. Now I'm 
 re-entering everything on my computer and it's a pain but it's going to be 
 worth it because of all the duplicates and old info and partial info I'm 
 getting rid of. When this is done i will need to learn to monitor what is 
 happening and catch it before it gets to this point again.
 
 What I decided to do with email lists that I am subscribed to is put a name 
 for the list as the first name and email list without the quotes as the 
 last name. Then all my email lists should end up together under e.
 
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Jan 3, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Mary Jo Partyka choir...@gmail.com 
 mailto:choir...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi, Cheryl,
 
 It’s interesting that you posted aobut having problems with Contacts since I 
 am also having problems.  I was able to put a few groups together on the Mac 
 but because I haven’t done much with it in the past few months, I feel like 
 I’m back to square one now.  I was able to send a required message to one of 
 my groups but had some difficulty putting new people in that group and now I 
 can’t even find the group.  Is there an easy way to go between group lists 
 and contact information etc?  I have been pressing vo command t and going 
 into each of the tables and that seems to work some of the time.  But it 
 feels like the most unorganized ap on the computer.  I also have duplications.
 
 Any suggestions would be helpful.
 
 Mary Jo Partyka
 choir...@gmail.com mailto:choir...@gmail.com
 
 
 On Jan 3, 2015, at 4:52 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com 
 mailto:cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I finally got fed up with all the chaos with contacts on phone, iPad and 
 computer, with lots of duplicates and outdated information still being mixed 
 with the new. I felt this was way beyond the help of just merging contacts 
 or deleting and adding indivicual ones as I've been trying to ignore this 
 problem for quite a while. After careful backing up of all my contact 
 information, I deleted contacts for all accounts on all devices and deleted 
 all contacts in the application on my computer. So now I'm choosing the 
 contacts I really want to keep and am adding all the information back on my 
 computer first. Then I'll turn contacts back on in all accounts on devices.
 
 The one thing I am not sure of is what to do about email lists when putting 
 the information in Contacts on my computer. There are fields for first and 
 last name and company and a checkbox for company but an email list doesn't 
 quite fit either of these choices. I hesitate to put macvisionaries, for 
 example, in as a first or last name or a company but don't know if I should 
 just put the email address in without a name iname; I'm pretty sure this 
 will disorganize things. Is there an accepted protocol I should follow for 
 this?
 
 Thanks for any help with this.
  
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Putting email lists in contacts

2015-01-04 Thread Alex Hall
If you use iCloud to sync your contacts, then you need only enter things on one 
device. Since all contacts sync, creating two different entries for one person, 
one entry on each of two devices, will give you a duplicate since both are 
pushed to all your devices. You can just make entries on whichever device you 
want, and let them sync across. Once you get used to keeping this in mind, 
things get far easier - no need to manage things on every device, just change, 
add, or remove a contact once and the alteration magically appears everywhere.
 On Jan 4, 2015, at 3:35 PM, Mary Jo Partyka choir...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 This duplication is confusing.  I would have been better off not trying to 
 put in my contacts o all three devices at once.
 
 I worked on some of this yesterday and hope to get a handle on it.
 
 
 Mary Jo Partyka
 choir...@gmail.com mailto:choir...@gmail.com
 
 
 On Jan 4, 2015, at 12:59 AM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com 
 mailto:cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I find groups to be rather confusing - not the concept but the practical 
 setup - but I admit I haven't yet concentrated on this a lot. As for 
 duplications, I've had this problem almost from the beginning of having an 
 iOS device along with my Mac. At one point I was able to straighten it out 
 but I have more than one device now and the problem came back. So I finally 
 decided just to make sure I had a backup of all contacts that I could access 
 without the contacts app and then I just plain deleted all my contacts from 
 all devices and computers and stopped that service with iCloud. Now I'm 
 re-entering everything on my computer and it's a pain but it's going to be 
 worth it because of all the duplicates and old info and partial info I'm 
 getting rid of. When this is done i will need to learn to monitor what is 
 happening and catch it before it gets to this point again.
 
 What I decided to do with email lists that I am subscribed to is put a name 
 for the list as the first name and email list without the quotes as the 
 last name. Then all my email lists should end up together under e.
 
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
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 On Jan 3, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Mary Jo Partyka choir...@gmail.com 
 mailto:choir...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi, Cheryl,
 
 It’s interesting that you posted aobut having problems with Contacts since I 
 am also having problems.  I was able to put a few groups together on the Mac 
 but because I haven’t done much with it in the past few months, I feel like 
 I’m back to square one now.  I was able to send a required message to one of 
 my groups but had some difficulty putting new people in that group and now I 
 can’t even find the group.  Is there an easy way to go between group lists 
 and contact information etc?  I have been pressing vo command t and going 
 into each of the tables and that seems to work some of the time.  But it 
 feels like the most unorganized ap on the computer.  I also have 
 duplications.
 
 Any suggestions would be helpful.
 
 Mary Jo Partyka
 choir...@gmail.com mailto:choir...@gmail.com
 
 
 On Jan 3, 2015, at 4:52 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com 
 mailto:cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I finally got fed up with all the chaos with contacts on phone, iPad and 
 computer, with lots of duplicates and outdated information still being 
 mixed with the new. I felt this was way beyond the help of just merging 
 contacts or deleting and adding indivicual ones as I've been trying to 
 ignore this problem for quite a while. After careful backing up of all my 
 contact information, I deleted contacts for all accounts on all devices and 
 deleted all contacts in the application on my computer. So now I'm choosing 
 the contacts I really want to keep and am adding all the information back 
 on my computer first. Then I'll turn contacts back on in all accounts on 
 devices.
 
 The one thing I am not sure of is what to do about email lists when putting 
 the information in Contacts on my computer. There are fields for first and 
 last name and company and a checkbox for company but an email list doesn't 
 quite fit either of these choices. I hesitate to put macvisionaries, for 
 example, in as a first or last name or a company but don't know if I should 
 just put the email address in without a name iname; I'm pretty sure this 
 will disorganize things. Is there an accepted protocol I should follow for 
 this?
 
 Thanks for any help with this.
  
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God 

Re: Observation with Mail under Yosemite

2015-01-04 Thread David Griffith
What I find is that sometimes when I am first opening messages I have to press 
VO J 3 times to go from message list to email and then back to message list and 
then finally back to the preview window when it will read normally
This tends to be only an initial problem when Mail first  opens.

David Griffith.
 On 4 Jan 2015, at 19:35, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 Just a minor but annoying observation with Mail under Yosemite.
 I use the preview pain to read messages. What I do is first select the 
 message in the messages table, then press vo-j to interact with the message 
 text. Trouble is, I cannot always read the text using standalone arrow keys; 
 I have to close the Window, open the mailbox again, select the message, press 
 vo-j and can read the message using standard arrow keys.
 Why is this? Is there a better way of reading messages? See I use the preview 
 pain because as soon as I delete a message the next one is displayed 
 automatically. If I actually open the message and delete it, I am returned to 
 my messages table which I do not prefer.
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Re: Observation with Mail under Yosemite

2015-01-04 Thread Lisette Wesseling
I agree with David. Sometimes vo j doesn't work, but restarting mail or voice 
over, or simply trying again, works. Sometimes, you have to wait for two 
seconds after pressing  vo j before attempting to read the message.
I wonder if it's some kind of focus issue which sometimes happens. If I'm 
really stuck, I just press enter on the message and read it that way.

Lisette

 On 5/01/2015, at 10:13 am, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What I find is that sometimes when I am first opening messages I have to 
 press VO J 3 times to go from message list to email and then back to message 
 list and then finally back to the preview window when it will read normally
 This tends to be only an initial problem when Mail first  opens.
 
 David Griffith.
 On 4 Jan 2015, at 19:35, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 Just a minor but annoying observation with Mail under Yosemite.
 I use the preview pain to read messages. What I do is first select the 
 message in the messages table, then press vo-j to interact with the message 
 text. Trouble is, I cannot always read the text using standalone arrow keys; 
 I have to close the Window, open the mailbox again, select the message, 
 press vo-j and can read the message using standard arrow keys.
 Why is this? Is there a better way of reading messages? See I use the 
 preview pain because as soon as I delete a message the next one is displayed 
 automatically. If I actually open the message and delete it, I am returned 
 to my messages table which I do not prefer.
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Re: RadioLogicDJ Accessibility Question

2015-01-04 Thread Joshua Tubbs
While I have not used Radiologik to do a show as of yet, I can confirm that 
yes, you do need NiceCast to stream to a server and yes, RadioLogik is 
certainly *the* Station Playlist for the Mac. It does some things even better, 
in my opinion.
There is at least one thing that should be made accessible in the app, and that 
is that only one method to add music to the RadioLogik radio queue exists at 
the moment that is accessible. You have to add your music via an iTunes 
applescript, which means you need music in an iTunes library.
Alternatively, although this is what is not accessible, you could drag and drop 
your music/spots/promos from the finder in a folder of your choice into the 
queue. There is another way to do this from the finder that doesn’t involve 
Drag and Drop, but no one has figured out a way to do this. If anyone has, 
please reply to the thread as I’d like to know. The developer himself said that 
the easiest method is iTunes for now.
 On Jan 2, 2015, at 4:05 PM, Bill Gallik wfgal...@charter.net wrote:
 
 There has been some discussion in this list about RadioLogicDJ, I have some 
 questions concerning this program:
 
 1)  Can a totally blind person work effectively with this program?
 2)  Are there provisions within the program for streaming or is it necessary 
 to use NiceCast?
 3)  Is the feature set of this program equivalent to Station Playlist Studio 
 for Windows?
 
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Re: Observation with Mail under Yosemite

2015-01-04 Thread Andrew Lamanche
I have noticed a similar thing in classic view: first time I open mail, the 
first message I open with the return key, won't read at all. I can't use vo 
keys at all. I close it and immediately reopen it and everything is fine for 
the remainder of this session.  It's curious but on the whole no big deal.

Andrew
 On 4 Jan 2015, at 21:13, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What I find is that sometimes when I am first opening messages I have to 
 press VO J 3 times to go from message list to email and then back to message 
 list and then finally back to the preview window when it will read normally
 This tends to be only an initial problem when Mail first  opens.
 
 David Griffith.
 On 4 Jan 2015, at 19:35, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 Just a minor but annoying observation with Mail under Yosemite.
 I use the preview pain to read messages. What I do is first select the 
 message in the messages table, then press vo-j to interact with the message 
 text. Trouble is, I cannot always read the text using standalone arrow keys; 
 I have to close the Window, open the mailbox again, select the message, 
 press vo-j and can read the message using standard arrow keys.
 Why is this? Is there a better way of reading messages? See I use the 
 preview pain because as soon as I delete a message the next one is displayed 
 automatically. If I actually open the message and delete it, I am returned 
 to my messages table which I do not prefer.
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Re: shutting down a Mac Mini

2015-01-04 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi!
Mac Mini is also using very little power so you don’t need to worry about that.
/A 
 4 jan 2015 kl. 05:42 skrev Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com:
 
 I've said it before and I'll say it again. I never shut down my MacBook 
 unless I take it somewhere. I don't see the reason to. I don't know if this 
 is the same thing with newer Mac models, but I heard from a trusted computer 
 technician that turning off and on a computer damages a hard drive after a 
 time. I keep my Mac on all day and night and it doesn't bother anything or 
 suck up power.
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
 
 On Jan 3, 2015, at 4:43 PM, Lorie McCloud lorice...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I’m having trouble getting my Mac mini to shut down. I press the button and 
 vo-right arrow to shut down and vo-space on it but it doesn’t shut down. I 
 think the reason is because torrent is running in the background. sometimes 
 I can tell it hasn’t shut down, but more often it doesn’t talk so I don’t 
 know until I go to turn it on next day. what can I do to make sure it 
 actually shuts down?
 
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Re: safari or chromeVox?

2015-01-04 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hello!
I use both of them.
Chrome handles youtube better.
I’v never seen the pause and play buttons for youtube in safari but in chrome 
it just works.
Also as Krister mentioned it seems to handle complex websites better.
/Ae 
 4 jan 2015 kl. 09:08 skrev Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com:
 
 Hi,
 To me with my style of web browsing, Chrome and Safari are just about equal. 
 There are things i really like with Chrome, such as the fact that it seems to 
 handle complex web pages better than Safari, not giving you so many ”busy, 
 busy” messages. Chrome however, seems to lack the reader that Safari has and 
 which i like to use from time to time, so i guess it’s a matter of 
 preference. You trade off one feature for another unless of course i’m 
 mistaken in which case i’d love to be corrected.
 Chrome vox is sorta half a screen reader, since it doesn’t work in menus and 
 it looks like it can’t read the preferences of Chrome very well, but i can be 
 wrong here. The part that works however, works quite well. You’d probably 
 make it without using Chrome vox however but it’s there for the testing if 
 you want to. I don’t really know what to think yet, but i kinda feel that 
 sometimes it’s a bit verbose, but that could probably be changed.
 /Krister
 
 3 jan 2015 kl. 21:51 skrev Chris Moore chris.w...@gmail.com:
 
 Hello,
 I’m considering installing chromeVox, but am looking for feedback on how it 
 works relative to safari.
 
 TIa 
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Re: Google Chrome doesn't perform well under Yosemite

2015-01-04 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi!
Yes its  somewhat annoying but not as annoying for me so i have to stop using 
it.
BUt i have Vinux on another computer and uses orca with firefox which is the 
absolute best sollution i’v found so far.
Exception is youtube.
/Ae 
 4 jan 2015 kl. 12:10 skrev Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com:
 
 Hi,
 
 Since upgrading to Yosemite, I don't seem to be able to use Google Chrome.  
 It gets stuck on a heading and nothing works apart from moving by headings. I 
 can't read any content on pages only by heading or links but I can no longer 
 use vo+arrow keys to move about in a page.  Has anybody else experienced 
 this?  Last night, I tried another browser for mac called Aviator and it 
 behaves in the same fashion as Google Chrome does now.  Any comments?
 
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Re: Observation with Mail under Yosemite

2015-01-04 Thread Lorie McCloud
sometimes when I open my first message under yosemite, it won’t read the text. 
if I vo-down-arrow once it starts saying “imbedded” a bunch of times and then 
reads the email. after that it will read whatever I hit enter on. 
 On Jan 4, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote:
 
 I have noticed a similar thing in classic view: first time I open mail, the 
 first message I open with the return key, won't read at all. I can't use vo 
 keys at all. I close it and immediately reopen it and everything is fine for 
 the remainder of this session.  It's curious but on the whole no big deal.
 
 Andrew
 On 4 Jan 2015, at 21:13, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What I find is that sometimes when I am first opening messages I have to 
 press VO J 3 times to go from message list to email and then back to message 
 list and then finally back to the preview window when it will read normally
 This tends to be only an initial problem when Mail first  opens.
 
 David Griffith.
 On 4 Jan 2015, at 19:35, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 Just a minor but annoying observation with Mail under Yosemite.
 I use the preview pain to read messages. What I do is first select the 
 message in the messages table, then press vo-j to interact with the message 
 text. Trouble is, I cannot always read the text using standalone arrow 
 keys; I have to close the Window, open the mailbox again, select the 
 message, press vo-j and can read the message using standard arrow keys.
 Why is this? Is there a better way of reading messages? See I use the 
 preview pain because as soon as I delete a message the next one is 
 displayed automatically. If I actually open the message and delete it, I am 
 returned to my messages table which I do not prefer.
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Re: VO pronouncing Spanish Accent marks strangely

2015-01-04 Thread Jonathan C. Cohn
Can you add the word and you dictionary? Please send an example.

Sent from my iPhone

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 Since upgrading to Yosemite, VO says “combining acute accent” whenever it 
 encounters a accent mark in a spanish word. If I switch to the spanish voice 
 it pronounces the word correctly, but when reading the spanish word with the 
 english voice, I get that annoying phrase. It actually breaks the word in two 
 at the accent mark and says “combining acute accent” between the two halves.
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Re: Using an external hard drive on both Mac and Windows

2015-01-04 Thread David Taylor
Hi,

You can use software, or, you can format as X Fat, which works fine on both, 
or, you could share the drive if using a VM.

Cheers
Dave

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 Hi,
 
 I have an external hard drive that I’d like to read and write to on both Mac 
 and Windows.
 
 I found an oldish article (from 2012) suggesting that I could use either NTFS 
 software on Mac or HFS+ software on Windows to accomplish this, rather than 
 dealing with the drawbacks of using FAT32.
 
 Does anyone have any experience of this and have a view as to which solution 
 is most accessible?
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: Observation with Mail under Yosemite

2015-01-04 Thread Kliph
Why use vo J?  I don’t know about the preview pain, but I use the first method 
ever introduced with standard view.  I use control tab, to get to message 
content of a thread, and if it is a single message,I just press inter to read 
it.  When in the message content area of a thread, when finshed, I just push 
shift tab twice to get me back to the messages list.  I am also using my 
favorites 1 through 9 so there is no inter acting or having to jump back and 
forth to different tables to get to the desired mail box.  HTH
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 On Jan 4, 2015, at 4:20 PM, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I agree with David. Sometimes vo j doesn't work, but restarting mail or voice 
 over, or simply trying again, works. Sometimes, you have to wait for two 
 seconds after pressing  vo j before attempting to read the message.
 I wonder if it's some kind of focus issue which sometimes happens. If I'm 
 really stuck, I just press enter on the message and read it that way.
 
 Lisette
 
 On 5/01/2015, at 10:13 am, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What I find is that sometimes when I am first opening messages I have to 
 press VO J 3 times to go from message list to email and then back to message 
 list and then finally back to the preview window when it will read normally
 This tends to be only an initial problem when Mail first  opens.
 
 David Griffith.
 On 4 Jan 2015, at 19:35, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 Just a minor but annoying observation with Mail under Yosemite.
 I use the preview pain to read messages. What I do is first select the 
 message in the messages table, then press vo-j to interact with the message 
 text. Trouble is, I cannot always read the text using standalone arrow 
 keys; I have to close the Window, open the mailbox again, select the 
 message, press vo-j and can read the message using standard arrow keys.
 Why is this? Is there a better way of reading messages? See I use the 
 preview pain because as soon as I delete a message the next one is 
 displayed automatically. If I actually open the message and delete it, I am 
 returned to my messages table which I do not prefer.
 Any comments greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 
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How do i get my contacts from my computer to icloud

2015-01-04 Thread Cheryl Homiak
I hope somebody can help me figure out what it is I've neglected to do.

I turned off contacts services for icloud in all my devices and computer and 
deleted all contacts. Then I totally redid my contacts on my computer which is 
a Mac running Yosemite. But when I turned on contact services again, it looked 
like the old contactws were loading on my iPhone so I turned contact services 
off. Then I actually went to iCloud on the web and deleted all contacts.  Then 
I turned contacts services back on on my computer and one device but no 
contacts are going to the cloud so of course they aren't going to the device 
either. I see the instructions on icloud that say to add contacts by dragging a 
card but if I have to drag one card at a time from the contacts application 
that could be not much fun at all even if it works. Where did I goof up here 
and what do I need to do. I'm not really panicking because the contacts are 
still safe and sound on my computer and contacts; it's just that I can't get 
them anywhere else. I could sync them by iTunes but I imagine I'll have to 
change settings on my devices to do this. If I did sync with iTunes, would they 
eventually be put back in the cloud too?

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I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
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Re: Using an external hard drive on both Mac and Windows

2015-01-04 Thread Gabe Griffith
Hi,

I've got an external drive that I have formatted as x fat and it works well 
with both the mac and windows.

Gabe


On Jan 4, 2015, at 3:20 PM, David Taylor e.david.tay...@icloud.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 You can use software, or, you can format as X Fat, which works fine on both, 
 or, you could share the drive if using a VM.
 
 Cheers
 Dave
 
 On 4 Jan 2015, at 06:07 pm, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I have an external hard drive that I’d like to read and write to on both Mac 
 and Windows.
 
 I found an oldish article (from 2012) suggesting that I could use either 
 NTFS software on Mac or HFS+ software on Windows to accomplish this, rather 
 than dealing with the drawbacks of using FAT32.
 
 Does anyone have any experience of this and have a view as to which solution 
 is most accessible?
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: How do i get my contacts from my computer to icloud

2015-01-04 Thread Jonathan C. Cohn
You might try export and import. Or select all and paste to your iCloud group 
gif you export your current list you will have a base of contacts to work.  

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:32 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I hope somebody can help me figure out what it is I've neglected to do.
 
 I turned off contacts services for icloud in all my devices and computer and 
 deleted all contacts. Then I totally redid my contacts on my computer which 
 is a Mac running Yosemite. But when I turned on contact services again, it 
 looked like the old contactws were loading on my iPhone so I turned contact 
 services off. Then I actually went to iCloud on the web and deleted all 
 contacts.  Then I turned contacts services back on on my computer and one 
 device but no contacts are going to the cloud so of course they aren't going 
 to the device either. I see the instructions on icloud that say to add 
 contacts by dragging a card but if I have to drag one card at a time from the 
 contacts application that could be not much fun at all even if it works. 
 Where did I goof up here and what do I need to do. I'm not really panicking 
 because the contacts are still safe and sound on my computer and contacts; 
 it's just that I can't get them anywhere else. I could sync them by iTunes 
 but I imagine I'll have to change settings on my devices to do this. If I did 
 sync with iTunes, would they eventually be put back in the cloud too?
 
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
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Re: How tyo scroll in textEdit

2015-01-04 Thread Jonathan C. Cohn
My memory of this as a partially sighted person. Is that,A single tap of the 
keys will bring you to the top of the bottom of the screen in the second tap 
will move to by a  page.  down.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 3, 2015, at 3:31 AM, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Or on full sized keyboard option page up or down..
 On 2 Jan 2015, at 21:24, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote:
 
 Yes, you can scroll by page by pressing fn key+option key+up arrow but you 
 have to perform this twice to scroll up or down one page.  I don't 
 understand why you have to press this key combination twice but it works for 
 me this way.
 
 Andrew
 On 2 Jan 2015, at 21:01, Chris Moore chris.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 The subject say it all.  In most editors on other systems, text can be 
 scrolled with page-up / page-down keys.  Is there an equivalent for 
 textEdit?  
 
 Thanks
 Chris
 
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The switch from Microsoft to Apple

2015-01-04 Thread christopher hallsworth
Hi all,
Well I have some excellent news! I did it! I have switched to Mac and iOS 
devices full time! Haven't used my Windows laptop since New Year and haven't 
even used Windows in a virtual machine created with Vmware Fusion at all 
yesterday! Anyway just thought to let you know I have made the switch.

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Solved!: How do i get my contacts from my computer to icloud

2015-01-04 Thread Cheryl Homiak
I did go ahead and sync one of my devices with iTunes and I had it just replace 
the contacts on the iPhone with those on the computer since there weren't any 
on the iPhone anyway. After I did that, things began working fine. I even added 
another contact from my computer and it showed up on my iPhone so iCloud is 
syncing. I went to the website and my newly-done contacts are now there. So 
hopefully this has been a success and I can keep duplicates and other problems 
from cropping up again by a little vigilance.
 
-- 
Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




On Jan 4, 2015, at 6:32 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:

I hope somebody can help me figure out what it is I've neglected to do.

I turned off contacts services for icloud in all my devices and computer and 
deleted all contacts. Then I totally redid my contacts on my computer which is 
a Mac running Yosemite. But when I turned on contact services again, it looked 
like the old contactws were loading on my iPhone so I turned contact services 
off. Then I actually went to iCloud on the web and deleted all contacts.  Then 
I turned contacts services back on on my computer and one device but no 
contacts are going to the cloud so of course they aren't going to the device 
either. I see the instructions on icloud that say to add contacts by dragging a 
card but if I have to drag one card at a time from the contacts application 
that could be not much fun at all even if it works. Where did I goof up here 
and what do I need to do. I'm not really panicking because the contacts are 
still safe and sound on my computer and contacts; it's just that I can't get 
them anywhere else. I could sync them by iTunes but I imagine I'll have to 
change settings on my devices to do this. If I did sync with iTunes, would they 
eventually be put back in the cloud too?

-- 
Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)





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possible new bug

2015-01-04 Thread Aleeha Dudley
Good evening all, 
For the past week, I have been experiencing an interesting bug with my new 2014 
MacBook Air that I received for Christmas. I have also been able to replicate 
the bug on a mid 2011 MacBook Pro. I’m wondering if anyone else has experienced 
this issue. If so, what did you do about it? So, here goes.
This bug usually only happens in messages or mail. If I am typing in a text 
field and ump the trackpad in such a way that VoiceOver thinks I have performed 
a one finger double tap, I lose partial functionality of my keyboard. Trackpad 
commander must be turned on for this to occur. After the double tap, I can no 
longer type in text fields, press enter, quit an application, close a window, 
or press escape. I can command tab out of the application and work with other 
applications, but I cannot type in any other text field, like spotlight. I have 
to do a restart of the machine. It got so bad one day that my entire mail 
corrupted and I had to reinstall the OS. I am running the latest operating 
system. Has anyone else seen this?
Thanks,
Aleeha Dudley 

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Re: possible new bug

2015-01-04 Thread Sarah Lanier

I have the same problem, except that the only thing I can use the keyboard for 
when it freezes is Voice Over commands.


Sarah







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Good evening all, 
For the past week, I have been experiencing an interesting bug with my new 2014 
MacBook Air that I received for Christmas. I have also been able to replicate 
the bug on a mid 2011 MacBook Pro. I’m wondering if anyone else has experienced 
this issue. If so, what did you do about it? So, here goes.
This bug usually only happens in messages or mail. If I am typing in a text 
field and ump the trackpad in such a way that VoiceOver thinks I have performed 
a one finger double tap, I lose partial functionality of my keyboard. Trackpad 
commander must be turned on for this to occur. After the double tap, I can no 
longer type in text fields, press enter, quit an application, close a window, 
or press escape. I can command tab out of the application and work with other 
applications, but I cannot type in any other text field, like spotlight. I have 
to do a restart of the machine. It got so bad one day that my entire mail 
corrupted and I had to reinstall the OS. I am running the latest operating 
system. Has anyone else seen this?
Thanks,
Aleeha Dudley 

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Standard view, any tips?

2015-01-04 Thread christopher hallsworth
Hi all,
Any tips on using Standard view in Mail? I like the fact VoiceOver announces if 
a message is unread and there is a menu button to sort by date etc. So willing 
to give it a try.
Thanks!

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Re: Standard view, any tips?

2015-01-04 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Hello Chris.

The way I read mail is that when I get to a message that I want to read, is to 
press enter, stop interacting, VO left to make sure that I’m at the beginning 
of my messages and then VO right to start reading one message or thread.

Once done, Command W to close the window to return me to the list of messages 
and press Back Space to delete that particular thread or message.

Thanks.

Kawal.
 On 5 Jan 2015, at 07:03, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 Any tips on using Standard view in Mail? I like the fact VoiceOver announces 
 if a message is unread and there is a menu button to sort by date etc. So 
 willing to give it a try.
 Thanks!
 
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