RE: still no new message sound in Mail

[M. Taylor]

Hello Katie,

I'm curious, are you hearing sound effects in other applications such as the 
Messages app?

Be sure that your system sound preferences are set correctly.  

Please do the following:  

Note, the following steps assume that you are using only the computer's 
internal speakers for sound output.

1.
With all applications closed, from the Apple Menu, select System Preferences.

2.
Select Sounds.  A dialogue box will open containing three Tabs labeled Sound 
Effects, Output, and Input.

3.
On the Sound Effects tab, make certain that the "Play sound effects through" 
option is set to Internal speakers.

4.
On the Output tab, set the "select a device for output" option to internal 
speakers.

5.
Close the dialogue box.

Now, open the mail application and see what happens.

Good Luck,

Mark

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Katie Zodrow
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 5:32 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: still no new message sound in Mail

Hi, everyone. I just updated to OS 10.11.1 today. I’m still not getting any new 
message sound when I receive something in Mail. I thought Apple was going to 
fix this. I decided for now to just get alerts for mail in notification center 
so I'll know when I get new email for now. Has anyone else had this problem 
after they updated?
I hope the next update Apple releases has that mail sound fixed.
Katie

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Re: [Bulk] Re: still no new message sound in Mail

[Katie Zodrow]

Oh good. I thought I was the only one that had this problem. I went into 
preferences also, and checked and unchecked the same box about playing other 
mail sounds. I checked that box again, and no sound plays when I receive mail. 
Its weird this keeps happening. This never happened when I was onSnow Leopard.
That would be awesome if someone could report this issue to Apple.
Katie
> On Oct 25, 2015, at 9:16 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> you are correct as I am somebody who also has no sounds for incoming mail. I 
> went back in to preferences and unchecked the appropriate settings. Then I 
> quit out of mail and reloaded it and went back into preferences and rechecked 
> those checkboxes still no mail sounds.
> Can anybody tell me how to report this to Apple? As I don’t think this is an 
> accessibility bug. 
> Max.
> 
>> On 26 Oct 2015, at 1:14 PM, Craig Werner > > wrote:
>> 
>> I am convinced that this is indeed a bug for some people. There are several 
>> threads of :
>> :
>> conversation on the web devoted to this subject, and some of the users 
>> reporting the problem appear quite experienced. An App
>> Apple rep told me he has heard of the problem, but it is not on the list of 
>> emerging problems for El Capitan.
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>> 
>> On Sunday, October 25, 2015, Katie Zodrow > > wrote:
>> Hi, Daniel. Should I check the checkbox for play other message sounds in 
>> mail when I’m in preferences? I think I have this already checked, but I’m 
>> not hearing anything.
>> Thanks.
>> Katie
>> > On Oct 25, 2015, at 6:08 PM, Daniel Miller > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Katie,
>> >
>> > I get the new mail sound on my macbook air running 10.11.1. Make sure your 
>> > preferences are set to play sounds in the mail app.
>> >
>> >> On Oct 25, 2015, at 7:32 PM, Katie Zodrow > >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi, everyone. I just updated to OS 10.11.1 today. I’m still not getting 
>> >> any new message sound when I receive something in Mail. I thought Apple 
>> >> was going to fix this. I decided for now to just get alerts for mail in 
>> >> notification center so I'll know when I get new email for now. Has anyone 
>> >> else had this problem after they updated?
>> >> I hope the next update Apple releases has that mail sound fixed.
>> >> Katie
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Re: still no new message sound in Mail

[Agent086b]

Hi,
you are correct as I am somebody who also has no sounds for incoming mail. I 
went back in to preferences and unchecked the appropriate settings. Then I quit 
out of mail and reloaded it and went back into preferences and rechecked those 
checkboxes still no mail sounds.
Can anybody tell me how to report this to Apple? As I don’t think this is an 
accessibility bug. 
Max.

> On 26 Oct 2015, at 1:14 PM, Craig Werner  wrote:
> 
> I am convinced that this is indeed a bug for some people. There are several 
> threads of :
> :
> conversation on the web devoted to this subject, and some of the users 
> reporting the problem appear quite experienced. An App
> Apple rep told me he has heard of the problem, but it is not on the list of 
> emerging problems for El Capitan.
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
> On Sunday, October 25, 2015, Katie Zodrow  > wrote:
> Hi, Daniel. Should I check the checkbox for play other message sounds in mail 
> when I’m in preferences? I think I have this already checked, but I’m not 
> hearing anything.
> Thanks.
> Katie
> > On Oct 25, 2015, at 6:08 PM, Daniel Miller  > > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Katie,
> >
> > I get the new mail sound on my macbook air running 10.11.1. Make sure your 
> > preferences are set to play sounds in the mail app.
> >
> >> On Oct 25, 2015, at 7:32 PM, Katie Zodrow  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi, everyone. I just updated to OS 10.11.1 today. I’m still not getting 
> >> any new message sound when I receive something in Mail. I thought Apple 
> >> was going to fix this. I decided for now to just get alerts for mail in 
> >> notification center so I'll know when I get new email for now. Has anyone 
> >> else had this problem after they updated?
> >> I hope the next update Apple releases has that mail sound fixed.
> >> Katie
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Re: still no new message sound in Mail

[Craig Werner]

I am convinced that this is indeed a bug for some people. There are several
threads of :
:
conversation on the web devoted to this subject, and some of the users
reporting the problem appear quite experienced. An App
Apple rep told me he has heard of the problem, but it is not on the list of
emerging problems for El Capitan.

Craig


On Sunday, October 25, 2015, Katie Zodrow  wrote:

> Hi, Daniel. Should I check the checkbox for play other message sounds in
> mail when I’m in preferences? I think I have this already checked, but I’m
> not hearing anything.
> Thanks.
> Katie
> > On Oct 25, 2015, at 6:08 PM, Daniel Miller  > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Katie,
> >
> > I get the new mail sound on my macbook air running 10.11.1. Make sure
> your preferences are set to play sounds in the mail app.
> >
> >> On Oct 25, 2015, at 7:32 PM, Katie Zodrow  > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi, everyone. I just updated to OS 10.11.1 today. I’m still not getting
> any new message sound when I receive something in Mail. I thought Apple was
> going to fix this. I decided for now to just get alerts for mail in
> notification center so I'll know when I get new email for now. Has anyone
> else had this problem after they updated?
> >> I hope the next update Apple releases has that mail sound fixed.
> >> Katie
> >>
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Re: [Bulk] Re: still no new message sound in Mail

[Katie Zodrow]

OK I’ll check that. Thanks.

BTW, I didn’t realize Chris Blouch’s name was accidentally in my address book 
when I was emailing the list this week. Sorry about that. I just figured out 
how to delete previous recipients from Mail and deleted this address.
Katie
> On Oct 25, 2015, at 6:57 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
> 
> Katie, 
> 
> The sound plays fine on my Mac. 
> 
> I would check your preferences. 
> 
> Yours truly, 
> 
> Sadam Ahmed 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
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> 
> 
>> On 26 Oct 2015, at 11:32 AM, Katie Zodrow  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, everyone. I just updated to OS 10.11.1 today. I’m still not getting any 
>> new message sound when I receive something in Mail. I thought Apple was 
>> going to fix this. I decided for now to just get alerts for mail in 
>> notification center so I'll know when I get new email for now. Has anyone 
>> else had this problem after they updated?
>> I hope the next update Apple releases has that mail sound fixed.
>> Katie
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Re: [Bulk] Re: still no new message sound in Mail

[Katie Zodrow]

Hi, Daniel. Should I check the checkbox for play other message sounds in mail 
when I’m in preferences? I think I have this already checked, but I’m not 
hearing anything.
Thanks.
Katie
> On Oct 25, 2015, at 6:08 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
> Hi Katie,
> 
> I get the new mail sound on my macbook air running 10.11.1. Make sure your 
> preferences are set to play sounds in the mail app.
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2015, at 7:32 PM, Katie Zodrow  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, everyone. I just updated to OS 10.11.1 today. I’m still not getting any 
>> new message sound when I receive something in Mail. I thought Apple was 
>> going to fix this. I decided for now to just get alerts for mail in 
>> notification center so I'll know when I get new email for now. Has anyone 
>> else had this problem after they updated?
>> I hope the next update Apple releases has that mail sound fixed.
>> Katie
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Re: still no new message sound in Mail

[Sadam Ahmed]

Katie, 

The sound plays fine on my Mac. 

I would check your preferences. 

Yours truly, 

Sadam Ahmed 

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> to fix this. I decided for now to just get alerts for mail in notification 
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> problem after they updated?
> I hope the next update Apple releases has that mail sound fixed.
> Katie
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Re: still no new message sound in Mail

[Daniel Miller]

Hi Katie,

I get the new mail sound on my macbook air running 10.11.1. Make sure your 
preferences are set to play sounds in the mail app.

> On Oct 25, 2015, at 7:32 PM, Katie Zodrow  wrote:
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> Hi, everyone. I just updated to OS 10.11.1 today. I’m still not getting any 
> new message sound when I receive something in Mail. I thought Apple was going 
> to fix this. I decided for now to just get alerts for mail in notification 
> center so I'll know when I get new email for now. Has anyone else had this 
> problem after they updated?
> I hope the next update Apple releases has that mail sound fixed.
> Katie
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still no new message sound in Mail

[Katie Zodrow]

Hi, everyone. I just updated to OS 10.11.1 today. I’m still not getting any new 
message sound when I receive something in Mail. I thought Apple was going to 
fix this. I decided for now to just get alerts for mail in notification center 
so I'll know when I get new email for now. Has anyone else had this problem 
after they updated?
I hope the next update Apple releases has that mail sound fixed.
Katie

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Re: Selecting noncontiguous items

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Excellent!

Thank you for that clarification.  That's precisely what I needed.

Have an excellent evening.

Chris.

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  Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 7:56 PM
  Subject: Re: Selecting noncontiguous items


  The command was changed to VO command enter from VO command space.

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  On 26 Oct 2015, at 09:51, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


Guys,

I have a question.  Undoubtedly Apple has changed some things without my 
knowing.  In Yosemite, I'm having a lot of trouble selecting multiple items in 
my finder in a noncontiguous fassion.

It used to be I could interact with the file browser, focus myself on the 
first item, then disable cursor tracking with vo+shift+F3.  Then, I could 
VO+down arrow until I got to the next item I wanted to select.  Then, to toggle 
its selection, I could hit VO+Command+Space bar.  Now, when I do this, it 
brings up the actions list for the currently focused item.  Do a keyboard help 
on vo+command+Space, and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about.

I tried simply passing that keyboard shortcut through to the OS with 
VO+Tab, then doing the VO+Command+space bar, but that isn't working.  I can 
confirm with VO+F6 to read the currently selected items that it's not working.

So, how in Yosemite, and later, does one now go about doing this?

Chris.

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RE: Selecting noncontiguous items

[Marcia Yale]

Use enter instead of space, if memory serves.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 7:52 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Selecting noncontiguous items

 

Guys,

 

I have a question.  Undoubtedly Apple has changed some things without my 
knowing.  In Yosemite, I'm having a lot of trouble selecting multiple items in 
my finder in a noncontiguous fassion.

 

It used to be I could interact with the file browser, focus myself on the first 
item, then disable cursor tracking with vo+shift+F3.  Then, I could VO+down 
arrow until I got to the next item I wanted to select.  Then, to toggle its 
selection, I could hit VO+Command+Space bar.  Now, when I do this, it brings up 
the actions list for the currently focused item.  Do a keyboard help on 
vo+command+Space, and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about.

 

I tried simply passing that keyboard shortcut through to the OS with VO+Tab, 
then doing the VO+Command+space bar, but that isn't working.  I can confirm 
with VO+F6 to read the currently selected items that it's not working.

 

So, how in Yosemite, and later, does one now go about doing this?

 

Chris.

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Re: Selecting noncontiguous items

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The command was changed to VO command enter from VO command space.

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> On 26 Oct 2015, at 09:51, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Guys,
>  
> I have a question.  Undoubtedly Apple has changed some things without my 
> knowing.  In Yosemite, I'm having a lot of trouble selecting multiple items 
> in my finder in a noncontiguous fassion.
>  
> It used to be I could interact with the file browser, focus myself on the 
> first item, then disable cursor tracking with  vo+shift+F3.  Then, I could 
> VO+down arrow until I got to the next item I wanted to select.  Then, to 
> toggle its selection, I could hit VO+Command+Space bar.  Now, when I do this, 
> it brings up the actions list for the currently focused item.  Do a keyboard 
> help on vo+command+Space, and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about.
>  
> I tried simply passing that keyboard shortcut through to the OS with VO+Tab, 
> then doing the VO+Command+space bar, but that isn't working.  I can confirm 
> with VO+F6 to read the currently selected items that it's not working.
>  
> So, how in Yosemite, and later, does one now go about doing this?
>  
> Chris.
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Re: MacKeeper class action suit garners refunds

[Nancy Badger]

Is this the same people that make the Keeper app for iPhone? If it is I need to 
change some things quickly!! Please let me know.
Nancy

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UT Chattanooga
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

> On Oct 24, 2015, at 6:25 AM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> are they the fools who make those stupid popups that come up on some sites 
> and say stuff like
> Your mac is infected with spyware?
> how stupid do they think we are?
>> On 24 Oct 2015, at 7:03 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> just added them to my firewall. this way, I can't get to them and they can't 
>> get to me. :)
>> 
>> btw, I use Waterroof as my firewall interface on my OS X Lion system. Its a 
>> little tricky getting used to at first, but with a little time and some 
>> reading, it becomes the app of choice for us.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>>> On Oct 23, 2015, at 11:07 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
>>> 
>>> Pity they didn’t get a proper smackdown in your courts for that day’s work.
>>> 
>>> I block Zeobit, Krontek and MacKeeper domains at the border.  I consider 
>>> that lot indistinguishable from malware purveyors.  This is truly 
>>> unfortunate as they clearly aren’t actually true malware but have simply 
>>> chosen an unethical business practice to scare people out of their money
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Selecting noncontiguous items

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Guys,

I have a question.  Undoubtedly Apple has changed some things without my 
knowing.  In Yosemite, I'm having a lot of trouble selecting multiple items in 
my finder in a noncontiguous fassion.

It used to be I could interact with the file browser, focus myself on the first 
item, then disable cursor tracking with vo+shift+F3.  Then, I could VO+down 
arrow until I got to the next item I wanted to select.  Then, to toggle its 
selection, I could hit VO+Command+Space bar.  Now, when I do this, it brings up 
the actions list for the currently focused item.  Do a keyboard help on 
vo+command+Space, and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about.

I tried simply passing that keyboard shortcut through to the OS with VO+Tab, 
then doing the VO+Command+space bar, but that isn't working.  I can confirm 
with VO+F6 to read the currently selected items that it's not working.

So, how in Yosemite, and later, does one now go about doing this?

Chris.

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Re: Installikng brltty on el capitan.

[Devin Prater]

I'd like to know too. I think you have to have something else besides brltty, 
called Screen or something.

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> On Oct 25, 2015, at 2:51 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> I haven’t done this before  and as i am a bit unwilling to do something that 
> messes up my system i will ask some questions.
> I would like to install brltty on my mac mini.
> Its currently running latest el capitan.
> Brltty is currently downloaded on my ssytem but i guess its not that easy as 
> in linux to compile it.
> So i have  xcode install because i think its needed to be able to  build from 
> source.
> But what are the steps to take to compile brltty onto a mac?
> All help is highly appreciated.
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Re: different machines do not behave properly in mail.

[joseph hudson]

Hello, yes they do the signature say on your iCloud account
> On Oct 25, 2015, at 5:53 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure that has anything to do with this, but do signatures sync across 
> and carry over with ICloud?  I didn't think they did, but maybe I'm wrong.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Dionipher Presas Herrera" 
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> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 5:59 PM
> Subject: Re: different machines do not behave properly in mail.
> 
> 
> can somebody correct me about this, but i think installing from scratch have 
> a lot more problem than the mac that was updated directly.
>> Il giorno 25 ott 2015, alle ore 10:56 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu 
>>  ha scritto:
>> 
>> Hello.
>> 
>> As most of you know I have two machines, an I mac and a Mac Mini.
>> 
>> Well on my I Mac I have set up an signature and on my Macmini, I can see the 
>> signature I want in iCloud.  The problem is, I can’t seem to choose the 
>> signature as there is the pop up button and if I cursor down voice over is 
>> on none and the second option is edit signature which bring up preferences 
>> and the signature which is highlighted is the one I set up on my I Mac but I 
>> can’t choose it as I want both machines to have the same settings if I am 
>> using mail.  I don’t know why this is.  I hope someone can help me.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Re: different machines do not behave properly in mail.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I'm not sure that has anything to do with this, but do signatures sync 
across and carry over with ICloud?  I didn't think they did, but maybe I'm 
wrong.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Dionipher Presas Herrera" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: different machines do not behave properly in mail.


can somebody correct me about this, but i think installing from scratch have 
a lot more problem than the mac that was updated directly.
Il giorno 25 ott 2015, alle ore 10:56 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu 
 ha scritto:


Hello.

As most of you know I have two machines, an I mac and a Mac Mini.

Well on my I Mac I have set up an signature and on my Macmini, I can see 
the signature I want in iCloud.  The problem is, I can’t seem to choose 
the signature as there is the pop up button and if I cursor down voice 
over is on none and the second option is edit signature which bring up 
preferences and the signature which is highlighted is the one I set up on 
my I Mac but I can’t choose it as I want both machines to have the same 
settings if I am using mail.  I don’t know why this is.  I hope someone 
can help me.


Thanks.

Kawal.

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Re: uninstaller for mac?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Try an app called App Trap.  It's in the app store, last I knew.

Chris.

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Subject: uninstaller for mac?


Good day to all, can somebody send me a direct link to an accessible app 
cleaner for mac, there's a lot of the same name on the apps store, i don't 
know what was accessible. thanks


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Re: captures for the mac

[Eric Oyen]

ok, let me dig it up.
http://skipinput.com


mind you, this is a paid service, but its really cheap for so many solves per 
year. there is also a free trial account. So far, its been more reliable than 
just about any other solution.

-eric

On Oct 25, 2015, at 3:34 PM, Walter Harper wrote:

> Where can I download it from?
> Walter 
>> On Oct 25, 2015, at 12:50 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> I use Romola (I think thats the spelling). btw, it can be found in the 
>> chrome app extensions on OS X and there are also extensions for safari and 
>> firefox. with only a few exceptions, it has largely solved a lot of my 
>> headaches with capchas.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Oct 24, 2015, at 9:09 PM, Walter Harper wrote:
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>>> Hello all,
>>> Does anyone know of a way to solve a capture on the mac?  I know there is 
>>> web Vism for windows.
>>> Walter 
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Re: captures for the mac

[Walter Harper]

Where can I download it from?
Walter 
> On Oct 25, 2015, at 12:50 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
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> I use Romola (I think thats the spelling). btw, it can be found in the chrome 
> app extensions on OS X and there are also extensions for safari and firefox. 
> with only a few exceptions, it has largely solved a lot of my headaches with 
> capchas.
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Oct 24, 2015, at 9:09 PM, Walter Harper wrote:
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>> Hello all,
>> Does anyone know of a way to solve a capture on the mac?  I know there is 
>> web Vism for windows.
>> Walter 
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Re: uninstaller for mac?

[jeff `greene]

Hi I like app delete by reggie ash worth. I believe you can get it on the app 
store, or at his website reggieashworth.com !
Its very accessible!
Jeff

> On Oct 25, 2015, at 5:54 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
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> Good day to all, can somebody send me a direct link to an accessible app 
> cleaner for mac, there's a lot of the same name on the apps store, i don't 
> know what was accessible. thanks
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Re: different machines do not behave properly in mail.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Just to tell you all, both machines had a clean install. 
> On 25 Oct 2015, at 21:59, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
> wrote:
> 
> can somebody correct me about this, but i think installing from scratch have 
> a lot more problem than the mac that was updated directly.
>> Il giorno 25 ott 2015, alle ore 10:56 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu 
>>  ha scritto:
>> 
>> Hello.
>> 
>> As most of you know I have two machines, an I mac and a Mac Mini.
>> 
>> Well on my I Mac I have set up an signature and on my Macmini, I can see the 
>> signature I want in iCloud.  The problem is, I can’t seem to choose the 
>> signature as there is the pop up button and if I cursor down voice over is 
>> on none and the second option is edit signature which bring up preferences 
>> and the signature which is highlighted is the one I set up on my I Mac but I 
>> can’t choose it as I want both machines to have the same settings if I am 
>> using mail.  I don’t know why this is.  I hope someone can help me.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Re: different machines do not behave properly in mail.

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

can somebody correct me about this, but i think installing from scratch have a 
lot more problem than the mac that was updated directly.
> Il giorno 25 ott 2015, alle ore 10:56 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> Hello.
> 
> As most of you know I have two machines, an I mac and a Mac Mini.
> 
> Well on my I Mac I have set up an signature and on my Macmini, I can see the 
> signature I want in iCloud.  The problem is, I can’t seem to choose the 
> signature as there is the pop up button and if I cursor down voice over is on 
> none and the second option is edit signature which bring up preferences and 
> the signature which is highlighted is the one I set up on my I Mac but I 
> can’t choose it as I want both machines to have the same settings if I am 
> using mail.  I don’t know why this is.  I hope someone can help me.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kawal.
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different machines do not behave properly in mail.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello.

As most of you know I have two machines, an I mac and a Mac Mini.

Well on my I Mac I have set up an signature and on my Macmini, I can see the 
signature I want in iCloud.  The problem is, I can’t seem to choose the 
signature as there is the pop up button and if I cursor down voice over is on 
none and the second option is edit signature which bring up preferences and the 
signature which is highlighted is the one I set up on my I Mac but I can’t 
choose it as I want both machines to have the same settings if I am using mail. 
 I don’t know why this is.  I hope someone can help me.

Thanks.

Kawal.

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uninstaller for mac?

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

Good day to all, can somebody send me a direct link to an accessible app 
cleaner for mac, there's a lot of the same name on the apps store, i don't know 
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Re: Hotspots not working properly.

[gs]

Well, I have had these kinds of issues ever since I started using the Mac a 
couple of years ago. I was all excited about how it would be really great and 
then when it didn't work I thought it might be something I was just doing 
incorrectly or not understanding. At this point I have given up entirely upon 
all of it and it's really a shame that the feature(s) do(es) not work as 
advertised.




On Oct 25, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:

I can confirm this and I've written to the list about this before.  Hotspots 
just don't stick at all.  I had reported it in the beta testing and I've 
reported it  since upgrading to El Capitan.  Please keep on reporting it to 
Apple Accessibility.  It's not just on hotspot 22, it's any hotspot I set that 
won't stick.  This feature is totally unusable now, and the same goes for 
setting webspots.

Andrew
> On 25 Oct 2015, at 17:38, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Before i tell apple accessibility about this i think i’d ask here first.
> I tried setting a hotspot on number 2 by pressing ctrl shift option 2.
> WHen i try to go to hotspot 2 nothing happens.
> This is on the latest el capitan on a mac mini mid 2011.
> Don’t know why its not working but it doesn’t.
> Can someone replicate this?
> Its just number 2 that doesn’t work.
> /A
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Re: Anyone know of good chat aps or means of meeting people on our phones

[Michael Babcock]

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> On Oct 25, 2015, at 5:16 AM, Dana  wrote:
> 
> I downloaded what's ap but I don't know how to get in to the groups where 
> blind peole are chatting?  I also wondered if any other aps are out there 
> that any of you are using that you find great for meeting new people?
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Re: Import CD in iTunes settings for encoder - seeking advice

[Andrew Lamanche]

Dear Sabahattin,

Yes, it makes it all clear.  I just wanted to confirm my thinking about it with 
somebody who clearly knows much more about this.

I shall seriously consider whether it's worth my while to continue subscribing 
to iTunes match.  My mac has 500GB drive which seems to me not to be very much 
considering my love for classical music.  In which case, I think I shall 
explore moving my iTunes library onto a large external drive, most probably 
thunderbolt.  Do you reckon this will work?

Best wishes

Andrew
> On 25 Oct 2015, at 17:19, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> Hi Andrew,
> 
> If you upload to iTunes Match from a lossless file in your library, the copy 
> in your library stays lossless but the copy that ends up in iTunes Match is 
> 256 Kb AAC.  The transcoding happens temporarily on your computer prior to 
> the upload but does not remain in your library, much as it would if you asked 
> iTunes to convert higher bitrate songs to 256 Kb AAC any song that it sends 
> to your iDevice.  From that point on, playing the file from iTunes Match, by 
> downloading it on a device with iTunes Match enabled, gives you the 256 Kb 
> AAC version on that device, while playing it on your computer continues to 
> give you the lossless version; if you would like a lossless version on your 
> device as well, you will have to disable iTunes Match on that device and sync 
> the music to your device with iTunes in the traditional way (which includes 
> Wi-Fi syncing).  This also translates to a responsibility for you to back up 
> your iTunes library—the one with the lossless files in it—by copying it 
> somewhere safe, rather than simply relying on iTunes Match to allow you to 
> recover all your music (which is a bad idea anyway, because even Apple has 
> accidents sometimes).
> 
> Yes, iTunes Match will eventually become consistent with your library, 
> although in my experience it sometimes needs a kick (look for the “Update 
> iTunes Match” menu item in the Store menu, I think it is).  Now that I no 
> longer have a need for Match, I am frankly relieved to be rid of it, because 
> it always takes such an extraordinarily long time to operate, and really 
> annoys the hell out of me while I am waiting for it to finish uploading 
> before I can make any changes to my library information.
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> I hope this clears things up for you.
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Re: Hotspots not working properly.

[Andrew Lamanche]

I can confirm this and I've written to the list about this before.  Hotspots 
just don't stick at all.  I had reported it in the beta testing and I've 
reported it  since upgrading to El Capitan.  Please keep on reporting it to 
Apple Accessibility.  It's not just on hotspot 22, it's any hotspot I set that 
won't stick.  This feature is totally unusable now, and the same goes for 
setting webspots.

Andrew
> On 25 Oct 2015, at 17:38, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Before i tell apple accessibility about this i think i’d ask here first.
> I tried setting a hotspot on number 2 by pressing ctrl shift option 2.
> WHen i try to go to hotspot 2 nothing happens.
> This is on the latest el capitan on a mac mini mid 2011.
> Don’t know why its not working but it doesn’t.
> Can someone replicate this?
> Its just number 2 that doesn’t work.
> /A
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Re: Safari holds onto VO focus in El Capitan

[Michael Marshall]

i have had this shocking bug as well, if you are focused on playing text and 
you try to command tab out of it, that is the worst.
If you deliberately put focus on a link and then get out of the page it's not 
so bad but headings can get you stuck as well.
i really hope this is fixed and quickly.
> On 26 Oct 2015, at 4:26 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>  Yes, I did. It could be related to other bugs as well, but I have been 
> trying to pay close attention to when it occurs and for me, it occurs when 
> pages seem to refresh or complete loading as I command-tab away to another 
> app.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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>> On Oct 25, 2015, at 12:44 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> I've written to accessibil...@apple.com about this.  Have you also reported 
>> it?
>> 
>> Andrew
>>> On 25 Oct 2015, at 15:56, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  I am trying to get a handle on this myself. I think what is happening is 
>>> when a page is reloading or refreshing, VoiceOver’s focus goes back to it, 
>>> even if you have moved away from Safari. There used to be a VO setting that 
>>> indicated something about the focus going to a newly loaded webpage. This 
>>> seems to be gone, but I’m wondering if this is now the expected behavior.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
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>>> 
 On Oct 25, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 A strange behaviour has started to occur in latest Safari in El Capitan.  
 Iff I have Safari open and go to let's say my carier provider website, and 
 then try to command+tab to another application, say, e-mail, Safari drags 
 the focus back to itself.  It is really bizarre!  Anybody else has 
 experience this?  I have to quit Safari to be able to go to another open 
 application on my mac.  This wasn't so immediately after installing El 
 Capitan but began to happen after the last update to 10.11.1
 
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Installikng brltty on el capitan.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I haven’t done this before  and as i am a bit unwilling to do something that 
messes up my system i will ask some questions.
I would like to install brltty on my mac mini.
Its currently running latest el capitan.
Brltty is currently downloaded on my ssytem but i guess its not that easy as in 
linux to compile it.
So i have  xcode install because i think its needed to be able to  build from 
source.
But what are the steps to take to compile brltty onto a mac?
All help is highly appreciated.
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Pages: Table of Contents now working properly

[Anne Robertson]

Hello everyone,

In Pages, we can now use the Table of Contents to jump to a particular place in 
a document. We have to battle a bit with the focus, but once we can interact 
with the TOC, we can navigate to the page number, bring the mouse and do 
VO-Shift-Space and be taken to the correct page.

Also, the Table of Contents Formatter once again gives us access to the 
checkboxes without having to jump through hoops.

Cheers,

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Re: Safari holds onto VO focus in El Capitan

[Daniel Miller]

This bug has been in existence since an early beta of 10.11.0, I’m afraid. It’s 
the only major annoyance I can find th El Capitan, aside from the overall 
sluggishness of Safari in general.

> On Oct 25, 2015, at 12:30 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> crazy.  If you switch task just as the content of a web page is being spoken, 
> VoiceOver will continuously repeat just that fragment until you go back to 
> Safari and re-read it until completion, all the while reading the text of 
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Hotspots not working properly.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Before i tell apple accessibility about this i think i’d ask here first.
I tried setting a hotspot on number 2 by pressing ctrl shift option 2.
WHen i try to go to hotspot 2 nothing happens.
This is on the latest el capitan on a mac mini mid 2011.
Don’t know why its not working but it doesn’t.
Can someone replicate this?
Its just number 2 that doesn’t work.
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Re: Safari holds onto VO focus in El Capitan

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

There was a mention of that silly repeat-until-death bug on AppleVis but I can 
now find no further mention of it.  And yes it drives me absolutely crazy.  If 
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Re: Safari holds onto VO focus in El Capitan

[John Panarese]

  Yes, I did. It could be related to other bugs as well, but I have been trying 
to pay close attention to when it occurs and for me, it occurs when pages seem 
to refresh or complete loading as I command-tab away to another app.


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> On Oct 25, 2015, at 12:44 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> I've written to accessibil...@apple.com about this.  Have you also reported 
> it?
> 
> Andrew
>> On 25 Oct 2015, at 15:56, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>   I am trying to get a handle on this myself. I think what is happening is 
>> when a page is reloading or refreshing, VoiceOver’s focus goes back to it, 
>> even if you have moved away from Safari. There used to be a VO setting that 
>> indicated something about the focus going to a newly loaded webpage. This 
>> seems to be gone, but I’m wondering if this is now the expected behavior.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
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>>> On Oct 25, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> A strange behaviour has started to occur in latest Safari in El Capitan.  
>>> Iff I have Safari open and go to let's say my carier provider website, and 
>>> then try to command+tab to another application, say, e-mail, Safari drags 
>>> the focus back to itself.  It is really bizarre!  Anybody else has 
>>> experience this?  I have to quit Safari to be able to go to another open 
>>> application on my mac.  This wasn't so immediately after installing El 
>>> Capitan but began to happen after the last update to 10.11.1
>>> 
>>> Andrew
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Re: Import CD in iTunes settings for encoder - seeking advice

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Hi Andrew,

If you upload to iTunes Match from a lossless file in your library, the copy in 
your library stays lossless but the copy that ends up in iTunes Match is 256 Kb 
AAC.  The transcoding happens temporarily on your computer prior to the upload 
but does not remain in your library, much as it would if you asked iTunes to 
convert higher bitrate songs to 256 Kb AAC any song that it sends to your 
iDevice.  From that point on, playing the file from iTunes Match, by 
downloading it on a device with iTunes Match enabled, gives you the 256 Kb AAC 
version on that device, while playing it on your computer continues to give you 
the lossless version; if you would like a lossless version on your device as 
well, you will have to disable iTunes Match on that device and sync the music 
to your device with iTunes in the traditional way (which includes Wi-Fi 
syncing).  This also translates to a responsibility for you to back up your 
iTunes library—the one with the lossless files in it—by copying it somewhere 
safe, rather than simply relying on iTunes Match to allow you to recover all 
your music (which is a bad idea anyway, because even Apple has accidents 
sometimes).

Yes, iTunes Match will eventually become consistent with your library, although 
in my experience it sometimes needs a kick (look for the “Update iTunes Match” 
menu item in the Store menu, I think it is).  Now that I no longer have a need 
for Match, I am frankly relieved to be rid of it, because it always takes such 
an extraordinarily long time to operate, and really annoys the hell out of me 
while I am waiting for it to finish uploading before I can make any changes to 
my library information.

I hope this clears things up for you.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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Re: Safari holds onto VO focus in El Capitan

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I've not found this one yet, but I'll keep an eye out for it.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Andrew Lamanche" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 11:49 AM
Subject: Safari holds onto VO focus in El Capitan


Hi,

A strange behaviour has started to occur in latest Safari in El Capitan. 
Iff I have Safari open and go to let's say my carier provider website, and 
then try to command+tab to another application, say, e-mail, Safari drags 
the focus back to itself.  It is really bizarre!  Anybody else has 
experience this?  I have to quit Safari to be able to go to another open 
application on my mac.  This wasn't so immediately after installing El 
Capitan but began to happen after the last update to 10.11.1


Andrew

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Re: Safari holds onto VO focus in El Capitan

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi John,

I've written to accessibil...@apple.com  about 
this.  Have you also reported it?

Andrew
> On 25 Oct 2015, at 15:56, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   I am trying to get a handle on this myself. I think what is happening is 
> when a page is reloading or refreshing, VoiceOver’s focus goes back to it, 
> even if you have moved away from Safari. There used to be a VO setting that 
> indicated something about the focus going to a newly loaded webpage. This 
> seems to be gone, but I’m wondering if this is now the expected behavior.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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>> On Oct 25, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> A strange behaviour has started to occur in latest Safari in El Capitan.  
>> Iff I have Safari open and go to let's say my carier provider website, and 
>> then try to command+tab to another application, say, e-mail, Safari drags 
>> the focus back to itself.  It is really bizarre!  Anybody else has 
>> experience this?  I have to quit Safari to be able to go to another open 
>> application on my mac.  This wasn't so immediately after installing El 
>> Capitan but began to happen after the last update to 10.11.1
>> 
>> Andrew
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Re: Safari holds onto VO focus in El Capitan

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

I am pretty sure this is related to the bug that constantly talks at you if 
you're focussed on, say, a heading.

It happens often if you don't let VoiceOver finish speaking. If I am on a link 
or a text element, VoiceOVer will force my focus from VLC, for example, into 
Safari again. If I let VOiceOVer finish speaking, whether a page has just 
loaded or not, this doesn't happen to me, though it is easier to reproduce when 
you have just loaded a page

Nicolai
> On Oct 25, 2015, at 11:56 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   I am trying to get a handle on this myself. I think what is happening is 
> when a page is reloading or refreshing, VoiceOver’s focus goes back to it, 
> even if you have moved away from Safari. There used to be a VO setting that 
> indicated something about the focus going to a newly loaded webpage. This 
> seems to be gone, but I’m wondering if this is now the expected behavior.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
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>> On Oct 25, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> A strange behaviour has started to occur in latest Safari in El Capitan.  
>> Iff I have Safari open and go to let's say my carier provider website, and 
>> then try to command+tab to another application, say, e-mail, Safari drags 
>> the focus back to itself.  It is really bizarre!  Anybody else has 
>> experience this?  I have to quit Safari to be able to go to another open 
>> application on my mac.  This wasn't so immediately after installing El 
>> Capitan but began to happen after the last update to 10.11.1
>> 
>> Andrew
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Re: Safari holds onto VO focus in El Capitan

[John Panarese]

   I am trying to get a handle on this myself. I think what is happening is 
when a page is reloading or refreshing, VoiceOver’s focus goes back to it, even 
if you have moved away from Safari. There used to be a VO setting that 
indicated something about the focus going to a newly loaded webpage. This seems 
to be gone, but I’m wondering if this is now the expected behavior.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
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Mac for the Blind
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> On Oct 25, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> A strange behaviour has started to occur in latest Safari in El Capitan.  Iff 
> I have Safari open and go to let's say my carier provider website, and then 
> try to command+tab to another application, say, e-mail, Safari drags the 
> focus back to itself.  It is really bizarre!  Anybody else has experience 
> this?  I have to quit Safari to be able to go to another open application on 
> my mac.  This wasn't so immediately after installing El Capitan but began to 
> happen after the last update to 10.11.1
> 
> Andrew
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Safari holds onto VO focus in El Capitan

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

A strange behaviour has started to occur in latest Safari in El Capitan.  Iff I 
have Safari open and go to let's say my carier provider website, and then try 
to command+tab to another application, say, e-mail, Safari drags the focus back 
to itself.  It is really bizarre!  Anybody else has experience this?  I have to 
quit Safari to be able to go to another open application on my mac.  This 
wasn't so immediately after installing El Capitan but began to happen after the 
last update to 10.11.1

Andrew

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Re: Moving the mouse pointer to click on different places.

[Alex Hall]

I'd add that, if your mouse pointer isn't set to follow your VoiceOver cursor, 
you should first move the mouse to VO's focus with vo-cmd-f5. To check what's 
under the mouse (if clicking doesn't do what you expect), use vo-f5.
> On Oct 25, 2015, at 01:59, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> To perform a standard mouse-click with VoiceOver enabled, use key-combo 
> Shift+VO-Key+Space-Bar.
> 
> I suggest that you first press both the Shift and VO-key, then tap the space 
> bar to perform the mouse click. 
> 
> Good Luck,
> 
> Mark
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> Subject: Moving the mouse pointer to click on different places.
> 
> I am using an ap that i need to move the mouse pointer to click on some 
> options i need to change doing the standard control option space is not 
> working how can i accomplish this task?
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Using Feedly on the mac

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

I've downloaded Feedly onto my mac but I wonder whether you would have any tips 
on how best to use it.  I've searched applevis.com   for 
any podcasts but found nothing.  I seem to remember from various posts here 
that people on the list do use feedly a lot.  At present I'm finding it 
difficult to understand how it works..  I have to do lots of mouse clicking to 
add feeds and close articles.  So I was wondering whether there are other 
tricks I could use to move from article to article.  Also, when adding feeds, I 
add them to collections but I cannot see the names of those collections 
anywhere.  

Thanks for any help.

Andrew

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Re: Anyone know of good chat aps or means of meeting people on our phones

[Devin Prater]

Well, there is always Kik, although its groups can only hold up to 50 people 
per group, so most of the time you'll find that people make group, group1, 
group2, to hold all the members, which results in fragmenttion. There is Skype, 
which is okay if you have contacts that make big 90+ member groups, but that 
gets annoying and is more like being in the Borg collective than a one-on-one 
meeting. There is also MeetMe, but is is more of a dating app nowadays, and 
hasn't, and probably won't, gain traction among blind people, and isn't 
perfectly accessible either, but is good for meeting local people, or just 
chatting with them.
There are plenty of email lists, also, that are for meeting others or chatting 
Blind PenPals is probably the biggest one, although they have a very active 
Facebook app, too active for me.
All in all, I'd love to see an app for meeting and talking to people, but most 
of the apps for doing this are usually just dating apps, or if not, they're 
used by young teens as such. So, email lists are the best way for blind people, 
in my opinion, although I don't really see this happening much, and it may be 
against list rules or general eddiquette, you could double tap on the person's 
name near the top of the message screen, and it'll give you ways of contacting 
them off list. Sorry, not sure how to do this on Windows computers though.

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> I downloaded what's ap but I don't know how to get in to the groups where 
> blind peole are chatting?  I also wondered if any other aps are out there 
> that any of you are using that you find great for meeting new people?
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Anyone know of good chat aps or means of meeting people on our phones

[Dana]

I downloaded what's ap but I don't know how to get in to the groups where 
blind peole are chatting?  I also wondered if any other aps are out there 
that any of you are using that you find great for meeting new people?
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Re: Import CD in iTunes settings for encoder - seeking advice

[Andrew Lamanche]

That's very clear.  Just one last thing; having imported a cd into my itunes 
using lossless, how does it play with itunes match?  
Next to the new title imported I can see its status as "pending upload'.  Am I 
correct in thinking that it's best not to upload this new music imported using 
lossless because if I were to upload it, it will be converted into 256 KB audio?
Does itunes match automatically becomes aware of the new music and makes it 
visible to all my devices using itunes match?

Thanks again

Andrew
> On 25 Oct 2015, at 10:43, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> No problem; that’s why we’re here.
> 
> Unfortunately, no.  The loss incurred by lossy encoding is permanent.  You 
> will have to re-rip those CDs.  This incidentally highlights another obvious 
> benefit of lossless formats: archival.  When the next format-de-jour comes 
> along, or if you simply find that you need higher quality encodes, a lossless 
> format costs you nothing in ripping time, only conversion.
> 
> iTunes Match supports a maximum of 256Kb AAC; anything beyond that is 
> automatically downgraded to 256 Kb AAC.  If you use iTunes Match, therefore, 
> never download tracks to a device where you have lossless files, only copy or 
> sync them across.  Before the 128 GB iPhone, this was my only option for 
> getting access to all my music; now, all my tracks fit on my iPhone in 256 Kb 
> AAC, so I no longer need or want iTunes Match.
> 
> It depends on what equipment you have and how much music you have, but I 
> generally find that maintaining lossless files on my computer provides the 
> best indoor experience both on speakers (computer or hi-fi) while AAC 
> provides good enough performance while out of doors.  AirPort Express always 
> streams using Apple Lossless, so if you have speakers using AirPlay, that 
> means you get full benefit from Apple Lossless.  On an iPhone, where space 
> needs to be saved, iTunes has the option of converting files as they are 
> synced across, which you can find under the Summary section.  Set that up to 
> convert to 256 Kb AAC and you can maintain a library of lossless files which 
> sync across to a manageable size on your iPhone.  With most travel 
> headphones, you probably can’t tell.
> 
> Good luck on your ripping project. :)
> 
> Cheers,
> Sabahattin
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Re: Import CD in iTunes settings for encoder - seeking advice

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Hi Andrew,

No problem; that’s why we’re here.

Unfortunately, no.  The loss incurred by lossy encoding is permanent.  You will 
have to re-rip those CDs.  This incidentally highlights another obvious benefit 
of lossless formats: archival.  When the next format-de-jour comes along, or if 
you simply find that you need higher quality encodes, a lossless format costs 
you nothing in ripping time, only conversion.

iTunes Match supports a maximum of 256Kb AAC; anything beyond that is 
automatically downgraded to 256 Kb AAC.  If you use iTunes Match, therefore, 
never download tracks to a device where you have lossless files, only copy or 
sync them across.  Before the 128 GB iPhone, this was my only option for 
getting access to all my music; now, all my tracks fit on my iPhone in 256 Kb 
AAC, so I no longer need or want iTunes Match.

It depends on what equipment you have and how much music you have, but I 
generally find that maintaining lossless files on my computer provides the best 
indoor experience both on speakers (computer or hi-fi) while AAC provides good 
enough performance while out of doors.  AirPort Express always streams using 
Apple Lossless, so if you have speakers using AirPlay, that means you get full 
benefit from Apple Lossless.  On an iPhone, where space needs to be saved, 
iTunes has the option of converting files as they are synced across, which you 
can find under the Summary section.  Set that up to convert to 256 Kb AAC and 
you can maintain a library of lossless files which sync across to a manageable 
size on your iPhone.  With most travel headphones, you probably can’t tell.

Good luck on your ripping project. :)

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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Re: Import CD in iTunes settings for encoder - seeking advice

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi Sabahattin,

Thank you so much for such a detailed description of the choices in converting 
my cds in iTunes.  You are very kind.

May I ask, since I've so far been importing my cds into iTunes using the 
default AAC encoder, is there a way of converting the already imported music in 
this way into a better quality encoded files?  I sometimes feel when listening 
to the music I have imported that the quality is not as good as I would expect. 
 I subscribe to iTunes match by the way so I don't know whether it has any 
bearing on our discussion.  I mostly listen to my music via iTunes and iPhone 
and sometimes stream it to an external Bose speaker via airport express.

Many thanks

Andrew
> On 25 Oct 2015, at 09:38, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> It depends on what you want to do with your files. Playback generally 
> requires a widely-supported format, whilst editing will require larger, 
> original files. Since iTunes generally rips CDs for playback, that’s probably 
> what you want to do.
> 
> MP3 produces smaller files that are extremely compatible with ubiquitous 
> player devices.  However, the format is not best-in-class, and the iTunes 
> encoder is a bit rubbish, so it’s best if possible to use other software to 
> rip your CDs to MP3.
> 
> Wave and AIFF files are original sound samples.  They are very, very large, 
> but they are also compatible.  There is no loss in quality, unlike MP3.  Wave 
> is generally the more common.
> 
> AAC is a standard for encoding audio that is largely supported by software 
> and hardware, but is still less compatible than MP3.  The encoding is 
> superior to MP3.  If you have the choice, use AAC.  Apple devices all 
> understand this format, and it is the default format for iTunes.  Like MP3, 
> the format is lossy; there is loss of information, in theory to a degree that 
> is not noticeable at a suitable bitrate.  The iTunes AAC implementation is 
> superior to the MP3 implementation.
> 
> Apple Lossless is very specific to Apple.  There is no loss of quality, and 
> the file format is designed to save space over wave files, but there is 
> almost no support among devices not Apple.  Software implementations do 
> exist, though, so conversion from this format to other formats for other uses 
> is entirely possible.  I use this format for playback from my computer to 
> high-quality headphones, but the files are too large for my iPhone, so I use 
> iTunes to convert to 256Kb AAC for listening on the go.
> 
> Summary: probably you want 256Kb AAC, unless you have hi-fi gear, in which 
> case I recommend Apple Lossless.
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Re: Import CD in iTunes settings for encoder - seeking advice

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

It depends on what you want to do with your files. Playback generally requires 
a widely-supported format, whilst editing will require larger, original files. 
Since iTunes generally rips CDs for playback, that’s probably what you want to 
do.

MP3 produces smaller files that are extremely compatible with ubiquitous player 
devices.  However, the format is not best-in-class, and the iTunes encoder is a 
bit rubbish, so it’s best if possible to use other software to rip your CDs to 
MP3.

Wave and AIFF files are original sound samples.  They are very, very large, but 
they are also compatible.  There is no loss in quality, unlike MP3.  Wave is 
generally the more common.

AAC is a standard for encoding audio that is largely supported by software and 
hardware, but is still less compatible than MP3.  The encoding is superior to 
MP3.  If you have the choice, use AAC.  Apple devices all understand this 
format, and it is the default format for iTunes.  Like MP3, the format is 
lossy; there is loss of information, in theory to a degree that is not 
noticeable at a suitable bitrate.  The iTunes AAC implementation is superior to 
the MP3 implementation.

Apple Lossless is very specific to Apple.  There is no loss of quality, and the 
file format is designed to save space over wave files, but there is almost no 
support among devices not Apple.  Software implementations do exist, though, so 
conversion from this format to other formats for other uses is entirely 
possible.  I use this format for playback from my computer to high-quality 
headphones, but the files are too large for my iPhone, so I use iTunes to 
convert to 256Kb AAC for listening on the go.

Summary: probably you want 256Kb AAC, unless you have hi-fi gear, in which case 
I recommend Apple Lossless.

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Import CD in iTunes settings for encoder - seeking advice

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

When importing cd's into iTunes, I see that I have a choice of encoders.  
There's AAC, AIFF, MP3 and something else.  What would you advise be the best 
or most universal or useful encoder?

Many thanks for your opinions.
Andrew

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