Re: radio and iPhone 5S

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Hi Scott,

Yeah, I’m afraid Apple pull a lot of crap when it comes to supporting carriers 
and GSM.  You’ve got to pay to get Apple to recognise you as a carrier and 
provision the carrier settings, which Apple signs.  These include the logos, 
roaming partners, voicemail, and all that stuff.  Those settings are pretty 
important, because they control all the essential parameters.  Worse yet, as I 
discovered, it sucks to be a VNO if Apple has an exclusivity deal with your 
parent.  My provider, Giffgaff, runs on O2, and O2 wants you on contract for 
tethering.  So for a long while, you couldn’t tether if you had a perfectly 
legitimate giffgaff SIM, with the account provisioned for a data-limited and 
tethering-permitting plan.  And even for generic GSM support, Apple 
deliberately limits the frequencies in use, so no LTE.  From my reading and 
writing on this my understanding is that it’s a very similar story with other 
VNOs and otherwise unrecognised carriers in other parts of Europe.  It’s all 
pretty shameless.  About the only thing I can see as beneficial here is that 
the users need not get all confused, but mostly I think it’s just a way to 
lumber the rest of the world with an obsolete business model.  Here’s to hoping 
that Apple can do without the carriers real soon now, and then (I’m less sure 
this will happen, but one can dream) the need for carrier restrictions in 
software.  For the fact is that if you buy an unlocked phone, it should be 
unlocked.  Nobody has gone to court over it yet, but it’s pretty hard not to 
see that there’s some fixing going on IMO.  The best part is that some Apple 
sycophants object to Apple’s being caught up in the blame like this, saying 
that it’s all those horrible carriers’ faults.  It’s delicious.

Here’s Apple’s official listing of restrictions:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204039

On the universal network angle, I think it’s just a matter of deployment.  
Imagine if some universal mesh-network routing protocol became ubiquitous, and 
everyone had it in their operating systems and wireless chipsets.  Sure, it 
wouldn’t be hands-on, but everybody would have it, and every device could take 
advantage of it.  Perhaps we could call it the SubEthaNet? :)

I built my radio from a kit when I was a kid.  But it was still a fascinating 
and illuminating experience.  The problem then, as now, is that radio is still 
a much more controlled broadcast experience than the Internet is, as you 
yourself observed.

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RE: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah that came out around the same time as the iPhone 6S etc were released.

 They're only available from Verizon or at  if I'm not mistaken.

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Subject: Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

Apple is testing a new, software-based SIM that does not have a physical card 
which the user replaces. Instead, the device manages the phone SIMs internally. 
The mobile providers do not like this option thus fa.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Sent from my iPhone

> On 3 Jan 2016, at 18:13, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> David,
> Just wondering, 
> Where would you put the Sim card in the apple watch if it did have the phone 
> built in?
> 
> They're picky enough to setup as they are, without adding the complexity of 
> having a phone built in also. 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 9:07 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth
> 
> No, the Apple Watch does not have a mobile phone in it. When in the car, all 
> calls are automatically routed to the in-car phone system. When she has her 
> earpiece on, iOS routes the calls there. Otherwise calls go to her watch when 
> she uses the watch to answer the calls.
> 
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> 
>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 17:43, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Just to clarify, your saying she can make and receive calls with a bluetooth 
>> headset that is only paired to an apple watch?
>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:25 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My partner has never had that happen between her Apple Watch and her car's 
>>> bluetooth with phone calls. She also has no difficulties between her Apple 
>>> Watch and her bluetooth earpiece. Then again, her iPhone does the heavy 
>>> lifting. In other words, whilst her iPhone is near, it handles the 
>>> BlueTooth routing.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
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>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 3 Jan 2016, at 09:27, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
 
 To me too.
 
 When I was on the phone with Apple, the person had this attitude like, why 
 would anyone want to do what your asking? They didn’t say that but, just 
 by their tone. I’m like, ok. You have the ability to put music on your 
 watch. So if your listening to music, jogging, cycling, etc, a calls come 
 in, you gotta fish your iPhone out some pocket or bag if you would like a 
 little privacy? And Keep in mind, you have headphones on already. Gotta 
 take those off to have any hope of hearing the speaker on your watch. lol.
 
 Is it a deal breaker for me? No. Mainly because my Sennheiser's support 
 multiple device pairing. But it does speak to managing Expectations.
 
 In my research on this topic, people were very annoyed that they would 
 pair the watch to bluetooth in their vehicles, receive a call and instead 
 of hearing it over the cars stereo, its playing on their wrist.
> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> So, to me, this is weak sauce.
> 
> Why put the option in, you’re telling me you can’t set up a separate 
> session from the watch to phone and another from watch to headset?  
> Really?
> 
> Must be a hardware limitation but seems goofy to me.  But that’s me.
> 
> 
>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> Yup,
>> 
>> Exactly. I called Apple yesterday, and this is indeed not a bug. Its a 
>> limitation caused by how they route calls. Basically, Your watch is 
>> already being treated as a bluetooth speaker/mic. So,The call is being 
>> defaulted to the watch speaker. I didn’t realize that calls were being 
>> relayed via bluetooth. I had assumed it was via wifi similar to hand off 
>> like when placing/receiving calls via a mac or iPad for example.
>> 
>> In my opinion, its quite an inconvenience.
>> 
>> Long story short, you want to take calls privately via your apple watch 
>> via bt headset? Not happening.
>>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are calls heard through these Bluetooth headsets when connected to 
>>> iPhone, but are not on Watch?
>>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 6:50 PM Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> I just got my pairing done 

Re: discovered a movie rental with audible narration

[Christina C.]

Do you know if anyone has started a list on the internet with a list of movies 
offered by apple that has the audible narration? Is there a discussion on 
applevis somewhere where people can post movies they have discovered that have 
audible narration? I guess we would have to specify that it only works on apple 
TV. It’s exciting that apple is working on this. Yay!

Christina
> On Jan 1, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Currently, the only way I know to do this is via an Apple TV with the latest 
> tvOS. I've emailed Apple about this, and they say they're working on the 
> problem. However, there's not yet a solution. Some movies say they have 
> description right in the title, but now we're seeing some that have 
> descriptions without indicating that at all. Here's hoping this gets fixed 
> soon! 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 18:26, Christina  wrote:
>> 
>> My apologies for not being very clear. I rented the movie from Apple. I want 
>> to know how to figure out which movies I can rent or purchase from Apple 
>> that will have descriptive narration. I did not watch the movie on Netflix.  
>> Thank U
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Netflex should be able to offer footnotes on the audio description.
>>> Here is a link:
>>> 
>>> http://acb.org/adp/netflixad.html
>>> 
>>> Enjoy watching!
>>> Vaughn
>>> 
>>> 
 On 12/31/15, Christina C.  wrote:
 Hello all,
 
 How do you find out if a movie rental or purchase will contain
 descriptive/audible narration. we just rented The scorch trials from the
 apple TV and were surprised that the rental contained audible narration. I
 would definitely rent or purchase certain movies if I knew they had audible
 narration.
 
 Thanks,
 Christina
 
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Re: am on the lookout for any podcasts about setting up and using windows and vm fusion

[Michael Marshall]

thanks, i'm loving VMware fusion, i worked out 99% of it on my own.

Michael
> On 3 Jan 2016, at 11:27 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> You run your operating system like you would any other problem.  VM Fusionis 
> just an application that runs and it houses your other operating systems.  
> You install a screen reader inside the target OS and it runs to help you when 
> your using the App.  When you exit out or minimize and go back to the mac 
> Voice Over takes over.
> 
> 
> Just go to www.blindcooltech.com  and search 
> on VM Fusion.  You should find all you need.
> 
>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 6:43 PM, Michael Marshall > > wrote:
>> 
>> hey,
>> thanks for getting back to me.
>> how do you use the operating systems after there all set up? how do you go 
>> between them?
>> do you have a link to this podcast?
>> 
>> thanks
>> 
>> Michael
>>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 12:46 AM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, in my opinion VM Fusion is the best choice.  I like being able to run 
>>> multiple operating systems at the same time and work between them freely.  
>>> That being said Virtual Box is another free option that does quite well.
>>> Next, Mike Erigo on blindcooltech had a great podcast on setting up 
>>> fusion.  It was old but it still works the same way all be it even easier 
>>> and more reliably in the newest releases.  Totally worth your time to 
>>> listen.
>>> 
>>> It’s a very easy process though, install fusion, activate the create new VM 
>>> option and follow the prompts.  I used a Win 7 ISO and set up totally 
>>> independently with out eyeballs so you should be able to do this easily.
>>> 
>>> Good luck and please post any follow up questions you might have.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Michael Marshall > wrote:
 
 hey all,
 i have been thinking about setting up a virtual machine to run windows 7 
 on the mac using vm fusion.
 I do not know where to begin.
 are there any podcasts or step by step guides on how to install windows 
 and use it effectively with vm fusion?
 is vm fusion the best Choice?
 
 thanks for any help
 
 Michael
 
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Streaming on shoutcast or ice cast servers from a mac.

[Nektarios Mallas]

Hello list.
In my efforts to find an accessible program to stream on a radio station using 
my mac, I came across some applications but some of them are very expensive and 
it is difficult to decide if there is no info regarding accessibility. 
One is called djay pro and is about 50 euros and the other one that caught my 
attention is called on the air studio but is quite expensive about 200 euros. 
Are you aware of these apps and any information about accessibility? 

Thanks.
Nektarios.

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am at my wits end with flash and Safari

[Michael Marshall]

hey all,
i am pulling my hair out with frustration trying to get flash content to play 
from a website using Safari on the mac.
this is the site with archive recordings
http://www.radio.cz/en/static/1968/audio
i can play them just fine on my virtual machine, each clip has nice little 
buttons that i can press but on mac? with crome or Safari? no such luck.
I find is incredibly annoying and i'm wondering if anyone has worked out any 
way to deal with this problem?
on the mac each clip has a label but it's text and there is absolutely no way 
that i have found to get this working.

thanks for any help

Michael

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Removing deleted users from the sidebar

[Agent086b]

Hi all,
somebody told me how to do this in the past but I have lost the info.
In the finder Sidebar there is a deleted users folder. When I arrow down past 
it VO says you don’t have access to the deleted users folder. If I remember the 
person told me we can’t do this with VO. My sited wife has tried right clicking 
on the folder but does not get an option to delete it. 
Please can anybody remind me how to do this? It is a bit of a pain as when I 
get the message about no access I have to hit return to get rid of the message.
Thanks as always of any advice.
Max.

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Re: Really disgusted with iBooks this evening

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Not  all iBooks are DRM; the publisher may choose.  Of course, only the 
DRM-free books may be processed by other tools.  Find out which you have in the 
Get Info dialog in iTunes, or by unpacking the book file and looking for a file 
called “encryption.xml”.

FairPlay has not yet been properly broken, following a long hiatus subsequent 
to the release of iTunes 11, during which Requiem hasn’t been developed.  Apple 
seem to be very faithful to their content producers.  If you haven’t yelled at 
your government minister, you should.  And donate to the FSF and/or EFF while 
you’re at it.  Meantime, try very hard to avoid DRM, or buy only content whose 
DRM you can break.  Audible, sadly, also seems unbreakable.

The US eventually signed the Marrakesh VIP treaty.  There’s your justification. 
 You don’t need to break the law to exercise what should be your inalienable 
right under copyright law in any civilised jurisdiction.  If the penny-pinching 
bastards in the publishing industry disagree with you, feel free to tell them 
to go forth, because for once the law is actually on your side.  As always, the 
hair-splitting is still ongoing, but now the treaty’s signed, we can only hope 
that good continues to prevail over evil.

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RE: Problem with passwords in 1Password

[Simon Fogarty]

sounds very much to me like   a secure / encryption option 
can't say I've noticed it on my devices though 

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Subject: Re: Problem with passwords in 1Password

Hi,

I have also just noticed the same behaviour you've described as I had to enter 
a new password manually.  The password is shown and spoken backwards only even 
more confusingly, the last two letters of the password are reversed.  So to 
clarify, if my password is 9 letters, when I enter it manually it enters it 
backwards but the last letter - which I entered first - comes second from the 
end. weird or what?

I will have to right  to the developer.

Andrew
> On 2 Jan 2016, at 16:56, gs  wrote:
> 
> I admit that I need to continue to try to isolate exactly what is going on 
> but this is getting frustrating. When I try to manually enter passwords in 
> 1Passwords for logins, the characters are entered in reverse order.
> This seems to only be happening with new entries. I went back and looked at 
> some of the older entries and the passwords are being spoken correctly. So I 
> can only assume this is not a problem specific to VO. I did some preliminary 
> web searches but did not locate anyone else experiencing this so thought I 
> would check here to see if anyone else has encountered this issue. This is 
> with 1Password in Mac OS X and not the iOS version. I have not yet tested 
> with the iOS version to see if I encounter the same issue.
> When I copy the password and paste, it is also backward. Is there some 
> setting in 1Password?
> 
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How to record a simple music demo?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

I have to record a no-frills music demo, the sooner the better.  Is it possible 
to record a single track with voice and guitar in Garage Band?  If yes, can 
someone give me quick instructions as to how to do this?  I don't need any of 
the frills, loops, etc., I just want to make a simple recording of about three 
songs.  If there's other software people want to recommend, I'm open to it, but 
time is short, so I don't have a ton of time to spend learning the app.
TIA,
Donna

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Re: Apple watch and multiple devices.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!!
So the watch app on my Ipad mini is totally useless?
Thanks.
/A
> 3 jan. 2016 kl. 04:11 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland :
> 
> As far as I know, ricardo is correct.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Ricardo Walker" 
> To: "Macvisionaries" 
> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 6:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Apple watch and multiple devices.
> 
> 
> Hmm,
> 
> I don’t think the situation you posed is possible actually. Your watch can 
> only be paired to one IOS device at a time. And to my knowledge, that device 
> has to be an iPhone. So your watch can only control music being played from 
> the phone witch it is paired.
> 
> hth.
>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 6:00 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Ok, this might be an odd question.
>> If i have my iPhone paired to my apple watch and then pair the watch with my 
>> IPad Mini, when i want to play music from the apple watch or use the music 
>> app there how would i know what the device the watch will play it through?
>> /A
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remapping the mac command to an ult key in VMware fusion

[Michael Marshall]

hey all,
i've been using VMware fusion since last night, i have windows all set up and 
working very well.
my major annoyance is that the mac command key is the windows key and the 
option key is the ult key.
I am very familiar with the program sharpkeys but it does not seem to have the 
command key to remap to an ult key, obviously it is used for windows keyboards.
Has anyone managed to fix this little annoyance?
thanks for any help

Michael

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RE: getting speech back on macBook air?

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah exactly,

It’s running in some kind of limited state until your logged in and then things 
run normally.

A little glitch for sake of security which I don’t mind at all.

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On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 9:27 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting speech back on macBook air?

When Firevault is running, and the Mac is an older model (like mine, 2011), 
command f5 must be used every time, and the prompts are only tones until the 
mac boots up.

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Sent from my iPhone

On 3 Jan 2016, at 18:02, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:
I have to try this again but I don’t believe it works with file volt running.

I’ve got this running on my machine and it didn’t seem to allow vo to run 
automatically but I’d have to check that again to confirm it.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 4:39 PM
To: Mac Visionaries List 
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Subject: Re: getting speech back on macBook air?

1.

Open system preferences.

2.  Tab or get to the table of preferences options.  fastest way is to tab 
there.  Then, press U for users and groups.  Press space here.

3.  Now, just to the right of the tool bar, you will notice five groups of 
options which you should interact with.  Within this group, you want to select 
log in options.

4.  Now, at this point, most of the chages you make here will need your 
administrative access password because you need to unlock the security for 
these items.  Within this group, you will note a check box which says "use 
Voice OVer at log in"  By default, this box will be unchecked.  You cannot 
check it until you unlock the administrative security which allows this change. 
 To unlock it, VO right all the way over and you'll notice an item which says, 
"click the lock to make changes"  Do this, and you will be prompted for your 
Mac administrative password.  Enter it, and press return.  Now, you can check 
to use Voice OVer at log in.  Once you are done here, you most likely will want 
to click on the lock to prevent further  changes.

HTH.


!
Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

On Jan 2, 2016, at 9:17 PM, David Tanner 
> wrote:

Does anyone here know what needs to be set on a new MacBook Air so that VO will 
come up automatically when the system is booted up?  I have no problem turning 
VO on once it boots up, but , even though I have VO running when I shut down 
the computer, it does not boot up automatically.

Any help here would be greatly appreciated.


On Jan 2, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Hi Adam
You should be able to turn Voiceover on prior to the password prompt
I have vo starting before the password prompt

I am pretty sure there is a utilitiy setting to enable vo to start prior to the 
log in prompt, I can’t confirm where it is but I’m sure its there.

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Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 12:04 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: getting speech back on macBook air?

Hi all,
I've just purchased a second hand mac.
I've not used one before Friday so am a total beginner.

It is running OS10 but not the latest.
When my mac starts I have to put in a password.
This screen doesn't speak.
Now when I start the mac it seems to load but when i type my password and press 
enter I get the error sound.
I can get sighted assistance to get past this and get it talking to go in and 
uncheck the box to ask for password on startup.
Is there a way to get past this point without sighted assistance?





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Re: How to record a simple music demo?

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

yes, you can,. first record the guitar. i can help you with that if you want. 
dionipher is my skype name.
> On 04 Jan 2016, at 12:06 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have to record a no-frills music demo, the sooner the better.  Is it 
> possible to record a single track with voice and guitar in Garage Band?  If 
> yes, can someone give me quick instructions as to how to do this?  I don't 
> need any of the frills, loops, etc., I just want to make a simple recording 
> of about three songs.  If there's other software people want to recommend, 
> I'm open to it, but time is short, so I don't have a ton of time to spend 
> learning the app.
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Really disgusted with iBooks this evening

[Devin Prater]

'Yep, comic books are like that too. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 3, 2016, at 2:09 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> The cookbook probably has images (pictures) of the recipes rather than the 
> text of the recipes. Therefore, that particular cookbook is not accessible, 
> and Apple will probably refund your money.
> 
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>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 17:21, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> Today, I purchased two cookbooks in the iBooks store. I could have purchased 
>> them on Kindle, but because I have generally had better luck navigating the 
>> specifics of a book and iBooks, I spent my money there. Neither book is 
>> readable on my iPad or my iPhone. After I get rid of the ridiculous 
>> non-friendly view in table of contents by changing it to a list of you, and 
>> double tap on the chapter I want to read, I don't get anything intelligible. 
>> I get random letters and voiceover saying "background image" background 
>> image" background image" ad infinitum. It has been a while since I have 
>> purchased a cookbook. And if this is how they're all going to be, it's going 
>> to be a lot longer before I waste anymore money on Apple's books. Have 
>> others had similar problems? I wrote Apple accessibility. And I suppose 
>> they're probably going to send me off to some damned link that will have six 
>> other links that I will have to follow and eventually get nowhere, which is 
>> what happened to me the last time they sent me on a wild goose chase after 
>> an iTunes problem. I hope not, since this is clearly an excess ability 
>> problem, so they ought to go to bat and number one, figure out what causes 
>> it and fix it and also help out with refunds. But I really am curious if 
>> others are having this problem.
>> Mary
>> 
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RE: Installing Windows 7 under bootcamp without sighted assistance

[Simon Fogarty]

HI Andrew,

Yeah done it a few times, and have windows 10 currently on my mac book air 
under bootcamp.

 I've tried installing it with out assistance but it appears no go at least I 
haven't found a way yet.

It's pretty easy really, run the Boot camp assistant in the Mac OSX and then 
follow the prompts.

All you need now is an ISO of the windows installer package and a USB / flash 
drive with more than 8GIG of available storage 

Once bootcamp finishs what it needs to do the machine restarts in to the 
windows installation the problem we have is that apple / windows drivers are 
not installed until the very last stage of the setup, 


If you have the ISO on your desktop then bootcamp should pick it up without 
problem and you then only need to make sure the flash drive is selected as 
bootcamp writes / downloads the apple windows bootcamp drivers to the flash 
drive.
And then that's where windows is actually installed from.
Oh and the only thing to be aware of is the step that asks you to set the drive 
partition size  by default it only gives you 20GB 

Hope this helps.

Simon F

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Subject: Installing Windows 7 under bootcamp without sighted assistance

Hi,

Has anyone on the list had experience of installing Windows 7 in Bootcamp 
without sighted assistance?  Having looked at the process on Apple's support 
pages, I can see that it is probably not possible.  Also, even if sighted 
assistance is required, would you mind sharing your experience?  Please feel 
free to write off list. I'd appreciate that.

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RE: Installing Windows 7 under bootcamp without sighted assistance

[BBS]

Hi. I'm confused. Are we installing Windows to the flash drive via Bootcamp or 
are we installing it to the Mac? I've been thinking of going back to Bootcamp 
with Windows 10 because this thing runs terribly slow with it under VMWare 
Fusion. Look forward to your reply.


Shawn
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On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 11:43 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Installing Windows 7 under bootcamp without sighted assistance

HI Andrew,

Yeah done it a few times, and have windows 10 currently on my mac book air 
under bootcamp.

 I've tried installing it with out assistance but it appears no go at least I 
haven't found a way yet.

It's pretty easy really, run the Boot camp assistant in the Mac OSX and then 
follow the prompts.

All you need now is an ISO of the windows installer package and a USB / flash 
drive with more than 8GIG of available storage 

Once bootcamp finishs what it needs to do the machine restarts in to the 
windows installation the problem we have is that apple / windows drivers are 
not installed until the very last stage of the setup, 


If you have the ISO on your desktop then bootcamp should pick it up without 
problem and you then only need to make sure the flash drive is selected as 
bootcamp writes / downloads the apple windows bootcamp drivers to the flash 
drive.
And then that's where windows is actually installed from.
Oh and the only thing to be aware of is the step that asks you to set the drive 
partition size  by default it only gives you 20GB 

Hope this helps.

Simon F

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Sent: Monday, 4 January 2016 5:42 PM
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Subject: Installing Windows 7 under bootcamp without sighted assistance

Hi,

Has anyone on the list had experience of installing Windows 7 in Bootcamp 
without sighted assistance?  Having looked at the process on Apple's support 
pages, I can see that it is probably not possible.  Also, even if sighted 
assistance is required, would you mind sharing your experience?  Please feel 
free to write off list. I'd appreciate that.

Andrew

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Installing Windows 7 under bootcamp without sighted assistance

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Hi,

Has anyone on the list had experience of installing Windows 7 in Bootcamp 
without sighted assistance?  Having looked at the process on Apple's support 
pages, I can see that it is probably not possible.  Also, even if sighted 
assistance is required, would you mind sharing your experience?  Please feel 
free to write off list. I'd appreciate that.

Andrew

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Re: am at my wits end with flash and Safari

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hello,

I've just been to the website you are posting about and chose the one of the 
archives.  After the title of the programme, for instance, "US President Lyndon 
B. Johnson urging the Soviet Union to withdraw its troops from occupied 
Czechoslovakia August 21, 1968", just immediately to the right, you can hear 
voiceover saying "image'.  I brought the mouse to the VoiceOver cursor with 
vo+command+f5 and performed the simulated click vo+shift+spacebar, and I could 
hear the recording.

Hope this will help.

Andrew
> On 4 Jan 2016, at 03:39, Michael Marshall  wrote:
> 
> hey all,
> i am pulling my hair out with frustration trying to get flash content to play 
> from a website using Safari on the mac.
> this is the site with archive recordings
> http://www.radio.cz/en/static/1968/audio
> i can play them just fine on my virtual machine, each clip has nice little 
> buttons that i can press but on mac? with crome or Safari? no such luck.
> I find is incredibly annoying and i'm wondering if anyone has worked out any 
> way to deal with this problem?
> on the mac each clip has a label but it's text and there is absolutely no way 
> that i have found to get this working.
> 
> thanks for any help
> 
> Michael
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Re: am at my wits end with flash and Safari

[Michael Marshall]

hey again,
VO does not say Image when i go to the site.
what settings do you have going?
thanks again

Michael
> On 4 Jan 2016, at 3:39 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I've just been to the website you are posting about and chose the one of the 
> archives.  After the title of the programme, for instance, "US President 
> Lyndon B. Johnson urging the Soviet Union to withdraw its troops from 
> occupied Czechoslovakia August 21, 1968", just immediately to the right, you 
> can hear voiceover saying "image'.  I brought the mouse to the VoiceOver 
> cursor with vo+command+f5 and performed the simulated click 
> vo+shift+spacebar, and I could hear the recording.
> 
> Hope this will help.
> 
> Andrew
>> On 4 Jan 2016, at 03:39, Michael Marshall  wrote:
>> 
>> hey all,
>> i am pulling my hair out with frustration trying to get flash content to 
>> play from a website using Safari on the mac.
>> this is the site with archive recordings
>> http://www.radio.cz/en/static/1968/audio
>> i can play them just fine on my virtual machine, each clip has nice little 
>> buttons that i can press but on mac? with crome or Safari? no such luck.
>> I find is incredibly annoying and i'm wondering if anyone has worked out any 
>> way to deal with this problem?
>> on the mac each clip has a label but it's text and there is absolutely no 
>> way that i have found to get this working.
>> 
>> thanks for any help
>> 
>> Michael
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Re: am at my wits end with flash and Safari

[Michael Marshall]

thanks a lot,
i will try this right now to see.

thanks again
> On 4 Jan 2016, at 3:39 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I've just been to the website you are posting about and chose the one of the 
> archives.  After the title of the programme, for instance, "US President 
> Lyndon B. Johnson urging the Soviet Union to withdraw its troops from 
> occupied Czechoslovakia August 21, 1968", just immediately to the right, you 
> can hear voiceover saying "image'.  I brought the mouse to the VoiceOver 
> cursor with vo+command+f5 and performed the simulated click 
> vo+shift+spacebar, and I could hear the recording.
> 
> Hope this will help.
> 
> Andrew
>> On 4 Jan 2016, at 03:39, Michael Marshall  wrote:
>> 
>> hey all,
>> i am pulling my hair out with frustration trying to get flash content to 
>> play from a website using Safari on the mac.
>> this is the site with archive recordings
>> http://www.radio.cz/en/static/1968/audio
>> i can play them just fine on my virtual machine, each clip has nice little 
>> buttons that i can press but on mac? with crome or Safari? no such luck.
>> I find is incredibly annoying and i'm wondering if anyone has worked out any 
>> way to deal with this problem?
>> on the mac each clip has a label but it's text and there is absolutely no 
>> way that i have found to get this working.
>> 
>> thanks for any help
>> 
>> Michael
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RE: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

[Simon Fogarty]

David,
 Just wondering, 
Where would you put the Sim card in the apple watch if it did have the phone 
built in?

They're picky enough to setup as they are, without adding the complexity of 
having a phone built in also. 

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On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 9:07 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

No, the Apple Watch does not have a mobile phone in it. When in the car, all 
calls are automatically routed to the in-car phone system. When she has her 
earpiece on, iOS routes the calls there. Otherwise calls go to her watch when 
she uses the watch to answer the calls.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 3 Jan 2016, at 17:43, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Just to clarify, your saying she can make and receive calls with a bluetooth 
> headset that is only paired to an apple watch?
>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:25 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> My partner has never had that happen between her Apple Watch and her car's 
>> bluetooth with phone calls. She also has no difficulties between her Apple 
>> Watch and her bluetooth earpiece. Then again, her iPhone does the heavy 
>> lifting. In other words, whilst her iPhone is near, it handles the BlueTooth 
>> routing.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 09:27, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> To me too.
>>> 
>>> When I was on the phone with Apple, the person had this attitude like, why 
>>> would anyone want to do what your asking? They didn’t say that but, just by 
>>> their tone. I’m like, ok. You have the ability to put music on your watch. 
>>> So if your listening to music, jogging, cycling, etc, a calls come in, you 
>>> gotta fish your iPhone out some pocket or bag if you would like a little 
>>> privacy? And Keep in mind, you have headphones on already. Gotta take those 
>>> off to have any hope of hearing the speaker on your watch. lol.
>>> 
>>> Is it a deal breaker for me? No. Mainly because my Sennheiser's support 
>>> multiple device pairing. But it does speak to managing Expectations.
>>> 
>>> In my research on this topic, people were very annoyed that they would pair 
>>> the watch to bluetooth in their vehicles, receive a call and instead of 
>>> hearing it over the cars stereo, its playing on their wrist.
 On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 So, to me, this is weak sauce.
 
 Why put the option in, you’re telling me you can’t set up a separate 
 session from the watch to phone and another from watch to headset?  Really?
 
 Must be a hardware limitation but seems goofy to me.  But that’s me.
 
 
> On Jan 1, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
> Yup,
> 
> Exactly. I called Apple yesterday, and this is indeed not a bug. Its a 
> limitation caused by how they route calls. Basically, Your watch is 
> already being treated as a bluetooth speaker/mic. So,The call is being 
> defaulted to the watch speaker. I didn’t realize that calls were being 
> relayed via bluetooth. I had assumed it was via wifi similar to hand off 
> like when placing/receiving calls via a mac or iPad for example.
> 
> In my opinion, its quite an inconvenience.
> 
> Long story short, you want to take calls privately via your apple watch 
> via bt headset? Not happening.
>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>> 
>> Are calls heard through these Bluetooth headsets when connected to 
>> iPhone, but are not on Watch?
>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 6:50 PM Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> I just got my pairing done with an Era.  I’ll test this and see if I can 
>> replicate.
>> 
>>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Ricardo Walker  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> I’m experiencing some odd behavior with my watch when I connect it to a 
>>> bluetooth headset. I can hear voiceover just fine but, calls are not 
>>> routed to the bt headset which is kinda the entire point. lol.
>>> 
>>> I’ve gone into settings/general/accessibility on my iPhone and set call 
>>> routing to bluetooth headset. No dice.
>>> 
>>> So, I’ve tried 2 bt devices. My sennheiser momentum over ear wireless 
>>> headphones, and a jawbone era.  I get the same behavior with both.
>>> 
>>> Any suggestions and, are others seeing this behavior?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
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RE: Really disgusted with iBooks this evening

[Simon Fogarty]

Unless you were able to put the book through the likes of the KNFB reader and 
possibly it will OCR the images into a readable format.

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Subject: Re: Really disgusted with iBooks this evening

The cookbook probably has images (pictures) of the recipes rather than the text 
of the recipes. Therefore, that particular cookbook is not accessible, and 
Apple will probably refund your money.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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> On 3 Jan 2016, at 17:21, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> Today, I purchased two cookbooks in the iBooks store. I could have purchased 
> them on Kindle, but because I have generally had better luck navigating the 
> specifics of a book and iBooks, I spent my money there. Neither book is 
> readable on my iPad or my iPhone. After I get rid of the ridiculous 
> non-friendly view in table of contents by changing it to a list of you, and 
> double tap on the chapter I want to read, I don't get anything intelligible. 
> I get random letters and voiceover saying "background image" background 
> image" background image" ad infinitum. It has been a while since I have 
> purchased a cookbook. And if this is how they're all going to be, it's going 
> to be a lot longer before I waste anymore money on Apple's books. Have others 
> had similar problems? I wrote Apple accessibility. And I suppose they're 
> probably going to send me off to some damned link that will have six other 
> links that I will have to follow and eventually get nowhere, which is what 
> happened to me the last time they sent me on a wild goose chase after an 
> iTunes problem. I hope not, since this is clearly an excess ability problem, 
> so they ought to go to bat and number one, figure out what causes it and fix 
> it and also help out with refunds. But I really am curious if others are 
> having this problem.
> Mary
> 
> 
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Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

[David Chittenden]

Apple is testing a new, software-based SIM that does not have a physical card 
which the user replaces. Instead, the device manages the phone SIMs internally. 
The mobile providers do not like this option thus fa.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 3 Jan 2016, at 18:13, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> David,
> Just wondering, 
> Where would you put the Sim card in the apple watch if it did have the phone 
> built in?
> 
> They're picky enough to setup as they are, without adding the complexity of 
> having a phone built in also. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 9:07 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth
> 
> No, the Apple Watch does not have a mobile phone in it. When in the car, all 
> calls are automatically routed to the in-car phone system. When she has her 
> earpiece on, iOS routes the calls there. Otherwise calls go to her watch when 
> she uses the watch to answer the calls.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 17:43, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Just to clarify, your saying she can make and receive calls with a bluetooth 
>> headset that is only paired to an apple watch?
>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:25 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My partner has never had that happen between her Apple Watch and her car's 
>>> bluetooth with phone calls. She also has no difficulties between her Apple 
>>> Watch and her bluetooth earpiece. Then again, her iPhone does the heavy 
>>> lifting. In other words, whilst her iPhone is near, it handles the 
>>> BlueTooth routing.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 3 Jan 2016, at 09:27, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
 
 To me too.
 
 When I was on the phone with Apple, the person had this attitude like, why 
 would anyone want to do what your asking? They didn’t say that but, just 
 by their tone. I’m like, ok. You have the ability to put music on your 
 watch. So if your listening to music, jogging, cycling, etc, a calls come 
 in, you gotta fish your iPhone out some pocket or bag if you would like a 
 little privacy? And Keep in mind, you have headphones on already. Gotta 
 take those off to have any hope of hearing the speaker on your watch. lol.
 
 Is it a deal breaker for me? No. Mainly because my Sennheiser's support 
 multiple device pairing. But it does speak to managing Expectations.
 
 In my research on this topic, people were very annoyed that they would 
 pair the watch to bluetooth in their vehicles, receive a call and instead 
 of hearing it over the cars stereo, its playing on their wrist.
> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> So, to me, this is weak sauce.
> 
> Why put the option in, you’re telling me you can’t set up a separate 
> session from the watch to phone and another from watch to headset?  
> Really?
> 
> Must be a hardware limitation but seems goofy to me.  But that’s me.
> 
> 
>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> Yup,
>> 
>> Exactly. I called Apple yesterday, and this is indeed not a bug. Its a 
>> limitation caused by how they route calls. Basically, Your watch is 
>> already being treated as a bluetooth speaker/mic. So,The call is being 
>> defaulted to the watch speaker. I didn’t realize that calls were being 
>> relayed via bluetooth. I had assumed it was via wifi similar to hand off 
>> like when placing/receiving calls via a mac or iPad for example.
>> 
>> In my opinion, its quite an inconvenience.
>> 
>> Long story short, you want to take calls privately via your apple watch 
>> via bt headset? Not happening.
>>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are calls heard through these Bluetooth headsets when connected to 
>>> iPhone, but are not on Watch?
>>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 6:50 PM Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> I just got my pairing done with an Era.  I’ll test this and see if I 
>>> can replicate.
>>> 
 On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Ricardo Walker  
 wrote:
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 I’m experiencing some odd behavior with my watch when I connect it to 
 a bluetooth headset. I can hear voiceover just fine but, calls are not 
 routed to the bt 

Re: Problem with passwords in 1Password

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

Is this when you read them in the password field when done editing? 
Because I have seen that particular issue before.


Nicolai

On 1/3/2016 6:38 AM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:

Hi,

I have also just noticed the same behaviour you've described as I had to enter 
a new password manually.  The password is shown and spoken backwards only even 
more confusingly, the last two letters of the password are reversed.  So to 
clarify, if my password is 9 letters, when I enter it manually it enters it 
backwards but the last letter - which I entered first - comes second from the 
end. weird or what?

I will have to right  to the developer.

Andrew

On 2 Jan 2016, at 16:56, gs  wrote:

I admit that I need to continue to try to isolate exactly what is going on but 
this is getting frustrating. When I try to manually enter passwords in 
1Passwords for logins, the characters are entered in reverse order.
This seems to only be happening with new entries. I went back and looked at 
some of the older entries and the passwords are being spoken correctly. So I 
can only assume this is not a problem specific to VO. I did some preliminary 
web searches but did not locate anyone else experiencing this so thought I 
would check here to see if anyone else has encountered this issue. This is with 
1Password in Mac OS X and not the iOS version. I have not yet tested with the 
iOS version to see if I encounter the same issue.
When I copy the password and paste, it is also backward. Is there some setting 
in 1Password?


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RE: Choosing a Mac, getting started

[Simon Fogarty]

Ok, yes I forgot that one, all my macs are newer than 2013 so I just over look 
that little issue. Even though I origionally purchased iworks for my 2009 mac 
book pro which I no longer have.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 6:30 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Choosing a Mac, getting started

Hi. I have to correct you about something. iWork only comes free on Macs that 
were purchased in 2012 or later. If you bought your Mac in 2010 like I did or 
2011, you still have to buy each program in the iWork suite.

Shawn
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On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:15 PM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

The other thing to be aware with re MS Office and iWorks is that iWorks comes 
free with the apple products  be they Mac OSX computers or IOS devices.
Microsoft office for the mac or IOS devices will cost you money,

If it wasn’t for the organisation I work for using MS products as their primary 
office suite and messaging system.
I’d be using iWorks and with iCloud drive everything is available on all 
devices, although with MS One Drive the same goes for Office 365
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 3:08 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Choosing a Mac, getting started

MayBe if You FEEL that way, either You OR MikeA OR JohnathanM should consider 
doing PodCasts demonstrating such or MayBe Johnathan could Compose some 
Tutorials-Guides, which HighLight AccessibilityBenefits of Apple's iWorksSuite 
Versus Microsoft's OfficeSuite

If it's SoEasy & MoreAccessible Why aren't TotallyBlind & LowVision users of 
Apple's OSX using it PrimarilySince you can ConFigure Apple's iWorksSuite to 
Resemble Microsoft's OfficeSuite
At 05:50 AM 1/2/2016, you wrote:


I would agree, pages and the Apple products are generally more accessible.  
Microsoft has put work in to office 2016 however and has made big improvements. 
 I use outlook on the Mac now daily for work and it’s very good.  Still, 
pages and numbers etc seem to flow better and a bit more accessible but 
that’s my opinion.  Not sure if it’s worth a podcast or something people 
just need to try for them selves.



On Jan 1, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Robin 
 > wrote:

Your a Mac enthusiast, so 
Why don't you Compare-Contrast Apple iWorks Versus Microsoft's Office ON OSX 
(MacOSX)?

Don't TalkTheTalk WalkTheWalk

I'm PrettySure  other MacListers would also BeInterested IN a PodCast of 
ThisNature

At 07:41 AM 12/31/2015, you wrote:


While 4 GB of memory will work, go with 8 if you can afford it, it can only 
help you. You will probably find that pages offers better acccessibility than 
Microsoft Office at this point, I think you will enjoy the mac experience.
Original message:


I recently joined this group and would like to learn more about using
the Mac and its accessibility.  I am considering buying a Mac, and have
been exploring some different models.  I would appreciate any input
anyone may have before I buy one.



My main purposes right now for using the mac would be for learning how
the OS works, using web browsing, email, word processing, listening to
audio files, and trying some audio editing.  I'd also like to try Apple
Script, Python, and maybe the new Swift programming language.  Does
VoiceOver work well in the terminal?



I would also like to have the option to run Windows as a virtual
machine, and am considering whether to get 8 GB of RAM or go with 4.



Recently when working on my resume, I found it helpful that my Windows
screen reader was able to tell me the horizontal and vertical position
of the cursor so that I could tell how far down on the page the text
was, and make sure text was lined up horizontally.  Does VoiceOver offer
this kind of feedback in either Pages or Microsoft Office?



I'm mainly considering the Mac Mini, Macbook Air, or Macbook.  From
reading Apple's OS X requirements, many 2012 or newer models of the Mac
Mini are supported.  If I go with a Macbook Air or Macbook, I may go for
a newer machine to maximize its battery life since the battery isn't
easily replaceable.  Would I be ok with getting a Mac Mini from 2012 or
newer if I decide to go with one of those, instead of buying the latest
model, or are there any drawbacks from an accessibility standpoint?



How valuable is it to have a numeric pad?  I understand VoiceOver has a
numpad commander that can be used to assign keyboard commands.  Would it
be worth 

Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

[David Chittenden]

No, the Apple Watch does not have a mobile phone in it. When in the car, all 
calls are automatically routed to the in-car phone system. When she has her 
earpiece on, iOS routes the calls there. Otherwise calls go to her watch when 
she uses the watch to answer the calls.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 3 Jan 2016, at 17:43, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Just to clarify, your saying she can make and receive calls with a bluetooth 
> headset that is only paired to an apple watch?
>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:25 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> My partner has never had that happen between her Apple Watch and her car's 
>> bluetooth with phone calls. She also has no difficulties between her Apple 
>> Watch and her bluetooth earpiece. Then again, her iPhone does the heavy 
>> lifting. In other words, whilst her iPhone is near, it handles the BlueTooth 
>> routing.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 09:27, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> To me too.
>>> 
>>> When I was on the phone with Apple, the person had this attitude like, why 
>>> would anyone want to do what your asking? They didn’t say that but, just by 
>>> their tone. I’m like, ok. You have the ability to put music on your watch. 
>>> So if your listening to music, jogging, cycling, etc, a calls come in, you 
>>> gotta fish your iPhone out some pocket or bag if you would like a little 
>>> privacy? And Keep in mind, you have headphones on already. Gotta take those 
>>> off to have any hope of hearing the speaker on your watch. lol.
>>> 
>>> Is it a deal breaker for me? No. Mainly because my Sennheiser's support 
>>> multiple device pairing. But it does speak to managing Expectations.
>>> 
>>> In my research on this topic, people were very annoyed that they would pair 
>>> the watch to bluetooth in their vehicles, receive a call and instead of 
>>> hearing it over the cars stereo, its playing on their wrist.
 On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 So, to me, this is weak sauce.
 
 Why put the option in, you’re telling me you can’t set up a separate 
 session from the watch to phone and another from watch to headset?  Really?
 
 Must be a hardware limitation but seems goofy to me.  But that’s me.
 
 
> On Jan 1, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
> Yup,
> 
> Exactly. I called Apple yesterday, and this is indeed not a bug. Its a 
> limitation caused by how they route calls. Basically, Your watch is 
> already being treated as a bluetooth speaker/mic. So,The call is being 
> defaulted to the watch speaker. I didn’t realize that calls were being 
> relayed via bluetooth. I had assumed it was via wifi similar to hand off 
> like when placing/receiving calls via a mac or iPad for example.
> 
> In my opinion, its quite an inconvenience.
> 
> Long story short, you want to take calls privately via your apple watch 
> via bt headset? Not happening.
>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>> 
>> Are calls heard through these Bluetooth headsets when connected to 
>> iPhone, but are not on Watch?
>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 6:50 PM Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> I just got my pairing done with an Era.  I’ll test this and see if I can 
>> replicate.
>> 
>>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Ricardo Walker  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> I’m experiencing some odd behavior with my watch when I connect it to a 
>>> bluetooth headset. I can hear voiceover just fine but, calls are not 
>>> routed to the bt headset which is kinda the entire point. lol.
>>> 
>>> I’ve gone into settings/general/accessibility on my iPhone and set call 
>>> routing to bluetooth headset. No dice.
>>> 
>>> So, I’ve tried 2 bt devices. My sennheiser momentum over ear wireless 
>>> headphones, and a jawbone era.  I get the same behavior with both.
>>> 
>>> Any suggestions and, are others seeing this behavior?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
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Re: getting speech back on macBook air?

[David Chittenden]

When Firevault is running, and the Mac is an older model (like mine, 2011), 
command f5 must be used every time, and the prompts are only tones until the 
mac boots up.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 3 Jan 2016, at 18:02, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I have to try this again but I don’t believe it works with file volt running.
>  
> I’ve got this running on my machine and it didn’t seem to allow vo to run 
> automatically but I’d have to check that again to confirm it.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
> Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 4:39 PM
> To: Mac Visionaries List 
> Subject: Re: getting speech back on macBook air?
>  
> 1.
>  
> Open system preferences.
>  
> 2.  Tab or get to the table of preferences options.  fastest way is to tab 
> there.  Then, press U for users and groups.  Press space here.
>  
> 3.  Now, just to the right of the tool bar, you will notice five groups of 
> options which you should interact with.  Within this group, you want to 
> select log in options.
>  
> 4.  Now, at this point, most of the chages you make here will need your 
> administrative access password because you need to unlock the security for 
> these items.  Within this group, you will note a check box which says "use 
> Voice OVer at log in"  By default, this box will be unchecked.  You cannot 
> check it until you unlock the administrative security which allows this 
> change.  To unlock it, VO right all the way over and you'll notice an item 
> which says, "click the lock to make changes"  Do this, and you will be 
> prompted for your Mac administrative password.  Enter it, and press return.  
> Now, you can check to use Voice OVer at log in.  Once you are done here, you 
> most likely will want to click on the lock to prevent further  changes.
>  
> HTH.
>  
>  
> !
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
>  
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>  
> On Jan 2, 2016, at 9:17 PM, David Tanner  wrote:
>  
> Does anyone here know what needs to be set on a new MacBook Air so that VO 
> will come up automatically when the system is booted up?  I have no problem 
> turning VO on once it boots up, but , even though I have VO running when I 
> shut down the computer, it does not boot up automatically.
>  
> Any help here would be greatly appreciated.
>  
>  
> On Jan 2, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>  
> Hi Adam
> You should be able to turn Voiceover on prior to the password prompt
> I have vo starting before the password prompt
>  
> I am pretty sure there is a utilitiy setting to enable vo to start prior to 
> the log in prompt, I can’t confirm where it is but I’m sure its there.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> On Behalf Of Adam Morris
> Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 12:04 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: getting speech back on macBook air?
>  
> Hi all,
> I've just purchased a second hand mac.
> I've not used one before Friday so am a total beginner.
> 
> It is running OS10 but not the latest.
> When my mac starts I have to put in a password.
> This screen doesn't speak.
> Now when I start the mac it seems to load but when i type my password and 
> press enter I get the error sound.
> I can get sighted assistance to get past this and get it talking to go in and 
> uncheck the box to ask for password on startup.
> Is there a way to get past this point without sighted assistance?
> 
> 
> 
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>  
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RE: getting speech back on macBook air?

[Simon Fogarty]

I have to try this again but I don’t believe it works with file volt running.

I’ve got this running on my machine and it didn’t seem to allow vo to run 
automatically but I’d have to check that again to confirm it.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 4:39 PM
To: Mac Visionaries List 
Subject: Re: getting speech back on macBook air?

1.

Open system preferences.

2.  Tab or get to the table of preferences options.  fastest way is to tab 
there.  Then, press U for users and groups.  Press space here.

3.  Now, just to the right of the tool bar, you will notice five groups of 
options which you should interact with.  Within this group, you want to select 
log in options.

4.  Now, at this point, most of the chages you make here will need your 
administrative access password because you need to unlock the security for 
these items.  Within this group, you will note a check box which says "use 
Voice OVer at log in"  By default, this box will be unchecked.  You cannot 
check it until you unlock the administrative security which allows this change. 
 To unlock it, VO right all the way over and you'll notice an item which says, 
"click the lock to make changes"  Do this, and you will be prompted for your 
Mac administrative password.  Enter it, and press return.  Now, you can check 
to use Voice OVer at log in.  Once you are done here, you most likely will want 
to click on the lock to prevent further  changes.

HTH.


!
Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

On Jan 2, 2016, at 9:17 PM, David Tanner 
> wrote:

Does anyone here know what needs to be set on a new MacBook Air so that VO will 
come up automatically when the system is booted up?  I have no problem turning 
VO on once it boots up, but , even though I have VO running when I shut down 
the computer, it does not boot up automatically.

Any help here would be greatly appreciated.


On Jan 2, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Hi Adam
You should be able to turn Voiceover on prior to the password prompt
I have vo starting before the password prompt

I am pretty sure there is a utilitiy setting to enable vo to start prior to the 
log in prompt, I can’t confirm where it is but I’m sure its there.

From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Adam Morris
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 12:04 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: getting speech back on macBook air?

Hi all,
I've just purchased a second hand mac.
I've not used one before Friday so am a total beginner.

It is running OS10 but not the latest.
When my mac starts I have to put in a password.
This screen doesn't speak.
Now when I start the mac it seems to load but when i type my password and press 
enter I get the error sound.
I can get sighted assistance to get past this and get it talking to go in and 
uncheck the box to ask for password on startup.
Is there a way to get past this point without sighted assistance?




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Re: Really disgusted with iBooks this evening

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I dont' think that's possible, seeing that IBooks are DRM protected.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Simon Fogarty" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 3:14 AM
Subject: RE: Really disgusted with iBooks this evening


Unless you were able to put the book through the likes of the KNFB reader 
and possibly it will OCR the images into a readable format.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden

Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 9:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Really disgusted with iBooks this evening

The cookbook probably has images (pictures) of the recipes rather than the 
text of the recipes. Therefore, that particular cookbook is not accessible, 
and Apple will probably refund your money.


David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 3 Jan 2016, at 17:21, Mary Otten  wrote:

Hello all,
Today, I purchased two cookbooks in the iBooks store. I could have 
purchased them on Kindle, but because I have generally had better luck 
navigating the specifics of a book and iBooks, I spent my money there. 
Neither book is readable on my iPad or my iPhone. After I get rid of the 
ridiculous non-friendly view in table of contents by changing it to a list 
of you, and double tap on the chapter I want to read, I don't get anything 
intelligible. I get random letters and voiceover saying "background image" 
background image" background image" ad infinitum. It has been a while 
since I have purchased a cookbook. And if this is how they're all going to 
be, it's going to be a lot longer before I waste anymore money on Apple's 
books. Have others had similar problems? I wrote Apple accessibility. And 
I suppose they're probably going to send me off to some damned link that 
will have six other links that I will have to follow and eventually get 
nowhere, which is what happened to me the last time they sent me on a wild 
goose chase after an iTunes problem. I hope not, since this is clearly an 
excess ability problem, so they ought to go to bat and number one, figure 
out what causes it and fix it and also help out with refunds. But I really 
am curious if others are having this problem.

Mary


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Re: Really disgusted with iBooks this evening

[David Chittenden]

The cookbook probably has images (pictures) of the recipes rather than the text 
of the recipes. Therefore, that particular cookbook is not accessible, and 
Apple will probably refund your money.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 3 Jan 2016, at 17:21, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> Today, I purchased two cookbooks in the iBooks store. I could have purchased 
> them on Kindle, but because I have generally had better luck navigating the 
> specifics of a book and iBooks, I spent my money there. Neither book is 
> readable on my iPad or my iPhone. After I get rid of the ridiculous 
> non-friendly view in table of contents by changing it to a list of you, and 
> double tap on the chapter I want to read, I don't get anything intelligible. 
> I get random letters and voiceover saying "background image" background 
> image" background image" ad infinitum. It has been a while since I have 
> purchased a cookbook. And if this is how they're all going to be, it's going 
> to be a lot longer before I waste anymore money on Apple's books. Have others 
> had similar problems? I wrote Apple accessibility. And I suppose they're 
> probably going to send me off to some damned link that will have six other 
> links that I will have to follow and eventually get nowhere, which is what 
> happened to me the last time they sent me on a wild goose chase after an 
> iTunes problem. I hope not, since this is clearly an excess ability problem, 
> so they ought to go to bat and number one, figure out what causes it and fix 
> it and also help out with refunds. But I really am curious if others are 
> having this problem.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Choosing a Mac, getting started

[Simon Fogarty]

Just to add to this, if you have purchased the apps for one machine and you 
then wish to install them to other machines that are earlier models tthan the 
2012 limit,
So long as you have purchased them on one or should I say for one device Mac 
OSX or IOS device, you can install them on others using your same app store 
details


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 6:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Choosing a Mac, getting started

Yes, you are correct. And, each of the Apple Office programs for the Mac is 
$20; at least when I purchased them in 2012. That is a little less expensive 
than MS Office programs.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 3 Jan 2016, at 15:29, Shawn Krasniuk 
> wrote:
Hi. I have to correct you about something. iWork only comes free on Macs that 
were purchased in 2012 or later. If you bought your Mac in 2010 like I did or 
2011, you still have to buy each program in the iWork suite.

Shawn
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On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:15 PM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

The other thing to be aware with re MS Office and iWorks is that iWorks comes 
free with the apple products  be they Mac OSX computers or IOS devices.
Microsoft office for the mac or IOS devices will cost you money,

If it wasn’t for the organisation I work for using MS products as their primary 
office suite and messaging system.
I’d be using iWorks and with iCloud drive everything is available on all 
devices, although with MS One Drive the same goes for Office 365
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 3:08 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Choosing a Mac, getting started

MayBe if You FEEL that way, either You OR MikeA OR JohnathanM should consider 
doing PodCasts demonstrating such or MayBe Johnathan could Compose some 
Tutorials-Guides, which HighLight AccessibilityBenefits of Apple's iWorksSuite 
Versus Microsoft's OfficeSuite

If it's SoEasy & MoreAccessible Why aren't TotallyBlind & LowVision users of 
Apple's OSX using it PrimarilySince you can ConFigure Apple's iWorksSuite to 
Resemble Microsoft's OfficeSuite
At 05:50 AM 1/2/2016, you wrote:


I would agree, pages and the Apple products are generally more accessible.  
Microsoft has put work in to office 2016 however and has made big improvements. 
 I use outlook on the Mac now daily for work and it’s very good.  Still, 
pages and numbers etc seem to flow better and a bit more accessible but 
that’s my opinion.  Not sure if it’s worth a podcast or something people 
just need to try for them selves.



On Jan 1, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Robin 
 > wrote:

Your a Mac enthusiast, so 
Why don't you Compare-Contrast Apple iWorks Versus Microsoft's Office ON OSX 
(MacOSX)?

Don't TalkTheTalk WalkTheWalk

I'm PrettySure  other MacListers would also BeInterested IN a PodCast of 
ThisNature

At 07:41 AM 12/31/2015, you wrote:


While 4 GB of memory will work, go with 8 if you can afford it, it can only 
help you. You will probably find that pages offers better acccessibility than 
Microsoft Office at this point, I think you will enjoy the mac experience.
Original message:


I recently joined this group and would like to learn more about using
the Mac and its accessibility.  I am considering buying a Mac, and have
been exploring some different models.  I would appreciate any input
anyone may have before I buy one.



My main purposes right now for using the mac would be for learning how
the OS works, using web browsing, email, word processing, listening to
audio files, and trying some audio editing.  I'd also like to try Apple
Script, Python, and maybe the new Swift programming language.  Does
VoiceOver work well in the terminal?



I would also like to have the option to run Windows as a virtual
machine, and am considering whether to get 8 GB of RAM or go with 4.



Recently when working on my resume, I found it helpful that my Windows
screen reader was able to tell me the horizontal and vertical position
of the cursor so that I could tell how far down on the page the text
was, and make sure text was lined up horizontally.  Does VoiceOver offer
this kind of feedback in either Pages or Microsoft Office?



I'm mainly considering the Mac Mini, Macbook Air, or Macbook.  From
reading Apple's OS X requirements, 

Re: Problem with passwords in 1Password

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

I have also just noticed the same behaviour you've described as I had to enter 
a new password manually.  The password is shown and spoken backwards only even 
more confusingly, the last two letters of the password are reversed.  So to 
clarify, if my password is 9 letters, when I enter it manually it enters it 
backwards but the last letter - which I entered first - comes second from the 
end. weird or what?

I will have to right  to the developer.

Andrew
> On 2 Jan 2016, at 16:56, gs  wrote:
> 
> I admit that I need to continue to try to isolate exactly what is going on 
> but this is getting frustrating. When I try to manually enter passwords in 
> 1Passwords for logins, the characters are entered in reverse order.
> This seems to only be happening with new entries. I went back and looked at 
> some of the older entries and the passwords are being spoken correctly. So I 
> can only assume this is not a problem specific to VO. I did some preliminary 
> web searches but did not locate anyone else experiencing this so thought I 
> would check here to see if anyone else has encountered this issue. This is 
> with 1Password in Mac OS X and not the iOS version. I have not yet tested 
> with the iOS version to see if I encounter the same issue.
> When I copy the password and paste, it is also backward. Is there some 
> setting in 1Password?
> 
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Re: discovered a movie rental with audible narration

[Eric Brinkman]

Does anyone know if the Lord of the Rings films on iTunes or the
blu-ray discs have audio description?  I'm thinking this is a good
time of year to bite the bullet and finally watch the trilogy.

On 1/2/16, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> Hi!
> Can you see this on an iphone?
> /A
>> 2 jan. 2016 kl. 00:38 skrev Alex Hall :
>>
>> Currently, the only way I know to do this is via an Apple TV with the
>> latest tvOS. I've emailed Apple about this, and they say they're working
>> on the problem. However, there's not yet a solution. Some movies say they
>> have description right in the title, but now we're seeing some that have
>> descriptions without indicating that at all. Here's hoping this gets fixed
>> soon!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 18:26, Christina  wrote:
>>>
>>> My apologies for not being very clear. I rented the movie from Apple. I
>>> want to know how to figure out which movies I can rent or purchase from
>>> Apple that will have descriptive narration. I did not watch the movie on
>>> Netflix.  Thank U
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Jan 1, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Vaughn Brown 
 wrote:

 Hi,

 Netflex should be able to offer footnotes on the audio description.
 Here is a link:

 http://acb.org/adp/netflixad.html

 Enjoy watching!
 Vaughn


> On 12/31/15, Christina C.  wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> How do you find out if a movie rental or purchase will contain
> descriptive/audible narration. we just rented The scorch trials from
> the
> apple TV and were surprised that the rental contained audible
> narration. I
> would definitely rent or purchase certain movies if I knew they had
> audible
> narration.
>
> Thanks,
> Christina
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Re: Really disgusted with iBooks this evening

[gkearney]

Could you please provide the titles of these books. Thank you.

On Saturday, 2 January 2016 23:21:54 UTC-8, Mary Otten wrote:
>
> Hello all, 
> Today, I purchased two cookbooks in the iBooks store. I could have 
> purchased them on Kindle, but because I have generally had better luck 
> navigating the specifics of a book and iBooks, I spent my money there. 
> Neither book is readable on my iPad or my iPhone. After I get rid of the 
> ridiculous non-friendly view in table of contents by changing it to a list 
> of you, and double tap on the chapter I want to read, I don't get anything 
> intelligible. I get random letters and voiceover saying "background image" 
> background image" background image" ad infinitum. It has been a while since 
> I have purchased a cookbook. And if this is how they're all going to be, 
> it's going to be a lot longer before I waste anymore money on Apple's 
> books. Have others had similar problems? I wrote Apple accessibility. And I 
> suppose they're probably going to send me off to some damned link that will 
> have six other links that I will have to follow and eventually get nowhere, 
> which is what happened to me the last time they sent me on a wild goose 
> chase after an iTunes problem. I hope not, since this is clearly an excess 
> ability problem, so they ought to go to bat and number one, figure out what 
> causes it and fix it and also help out with refunds. But I really am 
> curious if others are having this problem. 
> Mary 
>
>
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Re: Really disgusted with iBooks this evening

[Scott Granados]

I believe it’s fairly trivial to crack the DRM if it’s present and remember 
there was a law passed that allows for breaking the protection on files for 
reasons of accessibility.

> On Jan 3, 2016, at 3:46 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I dont' think that's possible, seeing that IBooks are DRM protected.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Simon Fogarty" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 3:14 AM
> Subject: RE: Really disgusted with iBooks this evening
> 
> 
> Unless you were able to put the book through the likes of the KNFB reader and 
> possibly it will OCR the images into a readable format.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 9:10 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Really disgusted with iBooks this evening
> 
> The cookbook probably has images (pictures) of the recipes rather than the 
> text of the recipes. Therefore, that particular cookbook is not accessible, 
> and Apple will probably refund your money.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 17:21, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> Today, I purchased two cookbooks in the iBooks store. I could have purchased 
>> them on Kindle, but because I have generally had better luck navigating the 
>> specifics of a book and iBooks, I spent my money there. Neither book is 
>> readable on my iPad or my iPhone. After I get rid of the ridiculous 
>> non-friendly view in table of contents by changing it to a list of you, and 
>> double tap on the chapter I want to read, I don't get anything intelligible. 
>> I get random letters and voiceover saying "background image" background 
>> image" background image" ad infinitum. It has been a while since I have 
>> purchased a cookbook. And if this is how they're all going to be, it's going 
>> to be a lot longer before I waste anymore money on Apple's books. Have 
>> others had similar problems? I wrote Apple accessibility. And I suppose 
>> they're probably going to send me off to some damned link that will have six 
>> other links that I will have to follow and eventually get nowhere, which is 
>> what happened to me the last time they sent me on a wild goose chase after 
>> an iTunes problem. I hope not, since this is clearly an excess ability 
>> problem, so they ought to go to bat and number one, figure out what causes 
>> it and fix it and also help out with refunds. But I really am curious if 
>> others are having this problem.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Problem with passwords in 1Password

[Andrew Lamanche]

Yes, that's right.  I have done editing and that's how it appears.  But I've 
also copied the password in 1password having edited it or having put it in and 
pasted it into an empty document and it still appears backwards.  I thought 
initially that it is some kind of a security trick so that it just reads 
backwards but is actually entered in properly somewhere in the works of the app 
but no: when I pasted it, it still appeared backwards so that's how it must 
look when you try to use the app in the browser.

I've just written to AgileBits support to tell them about this change.

Andrew
> On 3 Jan 2016, at 11:48, Nicolai Svendsen  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Is this when you read them in the password field when done editing? Because I 
> have seen that particular issue before.
> 
> Nicolai
> 
> On 1/3/2016 6:38 AM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have also just noticed the same behaviour you've described as I had to 
>> enter a new password manually.  The password is shown and spoken backwards 
>> only even more confusingly, the last two letters of the password are 
>> reversed.  So to clarify, if my password is 9 letters, when I enter it 
>> manually it enters it backwards but the last letter - which I entered first 
>> - comes second from the end. weird or what?
>> 
>> I will have to right  to the developer.
>> 
>> Andrew
>>> On 2 Jan 2016, at 16:56, gs  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I admit that I need to continue to try to isolate exactly what is going on 
>>> but this is getting frustrating. When I try to manually enter passwords in 
>>> 1Passwords for logins, the characters are entered in reverse order.
>>> This seems to only be happening with new entries. I went back and looked at 
>>> some of the older entries and the passwords are being spoken correctly. So 
>>> I can only assume this is not a problem specific to VO. I did some 
>>> preliminary web searches but did not locate anyone else experiencing this 
>>> so thought I would check here to see if anyone else has encountered this 
>>> issue. This is with 1Password in Mac OS X and not the iOS version. I have 
>>> not yet tested with the iOS version to see if I encounter the same issue.
>>> When I copy the password and paste, it is also backward. Is there some 
>>> setting in 1Password?
>>> 
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RE: Choosing a Mac, getting started

[Robin]

I'm only saying if you FIND Apple's iWorksSuite 
MoreAccessible this is AnAvenue you could go down 
AsOpposedTo using Microsoft'sOfficeSuite

At 11:58 PM 1/2/2016, you wrote:
I’ve never had any luck converting iworks 
files to Office files unless they are saved in an RTF format or txt


But yes it could be done if need be.

 I still prefer by choice to use office on a 
windows machine but pages numbers and keynote are there and very useable


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin

Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 4:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Choosing a Mac, getting started

Are you saying you can do everything you need to 
with Apple's iWorksSuite? If so, I presume you 
could do that, and simply convert your necessary 
documents/files from Apple's iWorksSuite to its 
equivalent MicrosoftOfficeSuite if you catch my drift




At 06:15 PM 1/2/2016, you wrote:

The other thing to be aware with re MS Office 
and iWorks is that iWorks comes free with the 
apple products  be they Mac OSX computers or IOS devices.

Microsoft office for the mac or IOS devices will cost you money,

If it wasn̢۪t for the organisation I work for 
using Mg MS products as their primary office suite and messaging system.
I̢۪d be using iWorks and with iCloud drive 
everythinging is available on all devices, 
although with MS One Drive the same goes for Office 365
From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[ mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin

Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 3:08 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Choosing a Mac, getting started

MayBe if You FEEL that way, either You OR MikeA 
OR JohnathanM should consider doing PodCasts 
demonstrating such or MayBe Johnathan could 
Compose some Tutorials-Guides, which HighLight 
AccessibilityBenefits of Apple's iWorksSuite Versus Microsoft's OfficeSuite


If it's SoEasy & MoreAccessible Why aren't 
TotallyBlind & LowVision users of Apple's OSX 
using it PrimarilySince you can ConFigure 
Apple's iWorksSuite to Resemble Microsoft's OfficeSuite

At 05:50 AM 1/2/2016, you wrote:
I would agree, pages and the Apple products are 
generally more accessible.  Microsoft has put 
work in to office 2016 however and has made big 
improvements.  I use outlook on the Mac now 
daily for work and it’s very good.  Still, 
pages s and numbers etc sc seem to flow better 
and a bit more accessible but thatâ€ââ„¢s my 
opinion.  Not sure if itâ€Ã¢Â¢¢Ã¢‚‰„¢s 
worth a podcast or something pe people just need to try for them selves.


On Jan 1, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Robin 
<robin-mel...@comcast.net > wrote:
Your a 
Mac 
enthusiast, so Why don't you Compare-Contrast 
Apple iWorks Versus Microsoft's Office ON OSX (MacOSX)?

Don't TalkTheTalk WalkTheWalk
I'm PrettySure  other MacListers would also 
BeInterested IN a PodCast of ThisNature

At 07:41 AM 12/31/2015, you wrote:
While 4 GB of memory will work, go with 8 if you 
can afford it, it can only help you. You will 
probably find that pages offers better 
acccessibility than Microsoft Office at this 
point, I think you will enjoy the mac experience.

Original message:
I recently joined this group and would like to learn more about using
the Mac and its accessibility.  I am considering buying a Mac, and have
been exploring some different models.  I would appreciate any input
anyone may have before I buy one.

My main purposes right now for using the mac would be for learning how
the OS works, using web browsing, email, word processing, listening to
audio files, and trying some audio editing.  I'd also like to try Apple
Script, Python, and maybe the new Swift programming language.  Does
VoiceOver work well in the terminal?

I would also like to have the option to run Windows as a virtual
machine, and am considering whether to get 8 GB of RAM or go with 4.

Recently when working on my resume, I found it helpful that my Windows
screen reader was able to tell me the horizontal and vertical position
of the cursor so that I could tell how far down on the page the text
was, and make sure text was lined up horizontally.  Does VoiceOver offer
this kind of feedback in either Pages or Microsoft Office?

I'm mainly considering the Mac Mini, Macbook Air, or Macbook.  From
reading Apple's OS X requirements, many 2012 or newer models of the Mac
Mini are supported.  If I go with a Macbook Air or Macbook, I may go for
a newer machine to maximize its battery life since the battery isn't
easily replaceable.  Would I be ok with getting a Mac Mini from 2012 or
newer if I decide to go with one of those, instead of buying the latest
model, or are there any drawbacks from an accessibility standpoint?

How valuable is it to have a numeric pad?  I understand VoiceOver has a
numpad commander that 

Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Who knows what the next generation of watch is like, as I’m hoping there will 
be more independent features which you can use on the watch without having to 
switch your phone on.  It’s the next thing on my list to get.

Kawal.
> On 3 Jan 2016, at 08:24, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Apple is testing a new, software-based SIM that does not have a physical card 
> which the user replaces. Instead, the device manages the phone SIMs 
> internally. The mobile providers do not like this option thus fa.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 18:13, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> David,
>> Just wondering, 
>> Where would you put the Sim card in the apple watch if it did have the phone 
>> built in?
>> 
>> They're picky enough to setup as they are, without adding the complexity of 
>> having a phone built in also. 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
>> Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 9:07 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth
>> 
>> No, the Apple Watch does not have a mobile phone in it. When in the car, all 
>> calls are automatically routed to the in-car phone system. When she has her 
>> earpiece on, iOS routes the calls there. Otherwise calls go to her watch 
>> when she uses the watch to answer the calls.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 17:43, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Just to clarify, your saying she can make and receive calls with a 
>>> bluetooth headset that is only paired to an apple watch?
 On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:25 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
 
 My partner has never had that happen between her Apple Watch and her car's 
 bluetooth with phone calls. She also has no difficulties between her Apple 
 Watch and her bluetooth earpiece. Then again, her iPhone does the heavy 
 lifting. In other words, whilst her iPhone is near, it handles the 
 BlueTooth routing.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 3 Jan 2016, at 09:27, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
> To me too.
> 
> When I was on the phone with Apple, the person had this attitude like, 
> why would anyone want to do what your asking? They didn’t say that but, 
> just by their tone. I’m like, ok. You have the ability to put music on 
> your watch. So if your listening to music, jogging, cycling, etc, a calls 
> come in, you gotta fish your iPhone out some pocket or bag if you would 
> like a little privacy? And Keep in mind, you have headphones on already. 
> Gotta take those off to have any hope of hearing the speaker on your 
> watch. lol.
> 
> Is it a deal breaker for me? No. Mainly because my Sennheiser's support 
> multiple device pairing. But it does speak to managing Expectations.
> 
> In my research on this topic, people were very annoyed that they would 
> pair the watch to bluetooth in their vehicles, receive a call and instead 
> of hearing it over the cars stereo, its playing on their wrist.
>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> So, to me, this is weak sauce.
>> 
>> Why put the option in, you’re telling me you can’t set up a separate 
>> session from the watch to phone and another from watch to headset?  
>> Really?
>> 
>> Must be a hardware limitation but seems goofy to me.  But that’s me.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Ricardo Walker  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yup,
>>> 
>>> Exactly. I called Apple yesterday, and this is indeed not a bug. Its a 
>>> limitation caused by how they route calls. Basically, Your watch is 
>>> already being treated as a bluetooth speaker/mic. So,The call is being 
>>> defaulted to the watch speaker. I didn’t realize that calls were being 
>>> relayed via bluetooth. I had assumed it was via wifi similar to hand 
>>> off like when placing/receiving calls via a mac or iPad for example.
>>> 
>>> In my opinion, its quite an inconvenience.
>>> 
>>> Long story short, you want to take calls privately via your apple watch 
>>> via bt headset? Not happening.
 On Dec 31, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
 
 Are calls heard through these Bluetooth headsets when connected to 
 iPhone, but are not on Watch?
 On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 6:50 PM Scott Granados  
 wrote:

Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

[Scott Granados]

You do not need a SIM to place calls.  Your watch on the WiFi network can 
initiate a session with your carrier if they support it.

Also, there are some smart watches, the Samsung Gear S2 comes to mind that in 
fact do have sim chips in them and are totally self contained phones.

> On Jan 3, 2016, at 3:13 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> David,
> Just wondering, 
> Where would you put the Sim card in the apple watch if it did have the phone 
> built in?
> 
> They're picky enough to setup as they are, without adding the complexity of 
> having a phone built in also. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 9:07 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth
> 
> No, the Apple Watch does not have a mobile phone in it. When in the car, all 
> calls are automatically routed to the in-car phone system. When she has her 
> earpiece on, iOS routes the calls there. Otherwise calls go to her watch when 
> she uses the watch to answer the calls.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 17:43, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Just to clarify, your saying she can make and receive calls with a bluetooth 
>> headset that is only paired to an apple watch?
>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:25 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My partner has never had that happen between her Apple Watch and her car's 
>>> bluetooth with phone calls. She also has no difficulties between her Apple 
>>> Watch and her bluetooth earpiece. Then again, her iPhone does the heavy 
>>> lifting. In other words, whilst her iPhone is near, it handles the 
>>> BlueTooth routing.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 3 Jan 2016, at 09:27, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
 
 To me too.
 
 When I was on the phone with Apple, the person had this attitude like, why 
 would anyone want to do what your asking? They didn’t say that but, just 
 by their tone. I’m like, ok. You have the ability to put music on your 
 watch. So if your listening to music, jogging, cycling, etc, a calls come 
 in, you gotta fish your iPhone out some pocket or bag if you would like a 
 little privacy? And Keep in mind, you have headphones on already. Gotta 
 take those off to have any hope of hearing the speaker on your watch. lol.
 
 Is it a deal breaker for me? No. Mainly because my Sennheiser's support 
 multiple device pairing. But it does speak to managing Expectations.
 
 In my research on this topic, people were very annoyed that they would 
 pair the watch to bluetooth in their vehicles, receive a call and instead 
 of hearing it over the cars stereo, its playing on their wrist.
> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> So, to me, this is weak sauce.
> 
> Why put the option in, you’re telling me you can’t set up a separate 
> session from the watch to phone and another from watch to headset?  
> Really?
> 
> Must be a hardware limitation but seems goofy to me.  But that’s me.
> 
> 
>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> Yup,
>> 
>> Exactly. I called Apple yesterday, and this is indeed not a bug. Its a 
>> limitation caused by how they route calls. Basically, Your watch is 
>> already being treated as a bluetooth speaker/mic. So,The call is being 
>> defaulted to the watch speaker. I didn’t realize that calls were being 
>> relayed via bluetooth. I had assumed it was via wifi similar to hand off 
>> like when placing/receiving calls via a mac or iPad for example.
>> 
>> In my opinion, its quite an inconvenience.
>> 
>> Long story short, you want to take calls privately via your apple watch 
>> via bt headset? Not happening.
>>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are calls heard through these Bluetooth headsets when connected to 
>>> iPhone, but are not on Watch?
>>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 6:50 PM Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> I just got my pairing done with an Era.  I’ll test this and see if I 
>>> can replicate.
>>> 
 On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Ricardo Walker  
 wrote:
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 I’m experiencing some odd behavior with my watch when I connect it to 
 a bluetooth headset. I can hear voiceover just fine but, calls are not 
 routed to the bt headset which is kinda the entire 

Re: apple watch weirdness with bluetooth

[Scott Granados]

Just a slight correction, Apple watch OS 2.1 does in fact have calling over 
WiFi support.  You can dial out with out having your phone on or in range and 
also receive calls.

The bluetooth thing is very definitely a problem though.  Multipoint aside 
that’s just weak sauce.

> On Jan 3, 2016, at 3:06 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> No, the Apple Watch does not have a mobile phone in it. When in the car, all 
> calls are automatically routed to the in-car phone system. When she has her 
> earpiece on, iOS routes the calls there. Otherwise calls go to her watch when 
> she uses the watch to answer the calls.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 17:43, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Just to clarify, your saying she can make and receive calls with a bluetooth 
>> headset that is only paired to an apple watch?
>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:25 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My partner has never had that happen between her Apple Watch and her car's 
>>> bluetooth with phone calls. She also has no difficulties between her Apple 
>>> Watch and her bluetooth earpiece. Then again, her iPhone does the heavy 
>>> lifting. In other words, whilst her iPhone is near, it handles the 
>>> BlueTooth routing.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 3 Jan 2016, at 09:27, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
 
 To me too.
 
 When I was on the phone with Apple, the person had this attitude like, why 
 would anyone want to do what your asking? They didn’t say that but, just 
 by their tone. I’m like, ok. You have the ability to put music on your 
 watch. So if your listening to music, jogging, cycling, etc, a calls come 
 in, you gotta fish your iPhone out some pocket or bag if you would like a 
 little privacy? And Keep in mind, you have headphones on already. Gotta 
 take those off to have any hope of hearing the speaker on your watch. lol.
 
 Is it a deal breaker for me? No. Mainly because my Sennheiser's support 
 multiple device pairing. But it does speak to managing Expectations.
 
 In my research on this topic, people were very annoyed that they would 
 pair the watch to bluetooth in their vehicles, receive a call and instead 
 of hearing it over the cars stereo, its playing on their wrist.
> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> So, to me, this is weak sauce.
> 
> Why put the option in, you’re telling me you can’t set up a separate 
> session from the watch to phone and another from watch to headset?  
> Really?
> 
> Must be a hardware limitation but seems goofy to me.  But that’s me.
> 
> 
>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> Yup,
>> 
>> Exactly. I called Apple yesterday, and this is indeed not a bug. Its a 
>> limitation caused by how they route calls. Basically, Your watch is 
>> already being treated as a bluetooth speaker/mic. So,The call is being 
>> defaulted to the watch speaker. I didn’t realize that calls were being 
>> relayed via bluetooth. I had assumed it was via wifi similar to hand off 
>> like when placing/receiving calls via a mac or iPad for example.
>> 
>> In my opinion, its quite an inconvenience.
>> 
>> Long story short, you want to take calls privately via your apple watch 
>> via bt headset? Not happening.
>>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are calls heard through these Bluetooth headsets when connected to 
>>> iPhone, but are not on Watch?
>>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 6:50 PM Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> I just got my pairing done with an Era.  I’ll test this and see if I 
>>> can replicate.
>>> 
 On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Ricardo Walker  
 wrote:
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 I’m experiencing some odd behavior with my watch when I connect it to 
 a bluetooth headset. I can hear voiceover just fine but, calls are not 
 routed to the bt headset which is kinda the entire point. lol.
 
 I’ve gone into settings/general/accessibility on my iPhone and set 
 call routing to bluetooth headset. No dice.
 
 So, I’ve tried 2 bt devices. My sennheiser momentum over ear wireless 
 headphones, and a jawbone era.  I get the same behavior with both.
 
 Any suggestions and, are others seeing this behavior?
 
 Thanks.
 
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Re: Choosing a Mac, getting started

[Scott Granados]

This is how I do it.  I do all my text editing and spreadsheets in pages and 
numbers and then export them to PDF or Microsoft flavored file if it’s needed.  
My employer is all Apple though so a lot of us just work natively in pages / 
numbers and exchange the files in native format.

I do not use word on any platform any more and Outlook is the only office tool 
I really use on any regular basis.

> On Jan 2, 2016, at 10:22 PM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> Are you saying you can do everything you need to with Apple's iWorksSuite? If 
> so, I presume you could do that, and simply convert your necessary 
> documents/files from Apple's iWorksSuite to its equivalent 
> MicrosoftOfficeSuite if you catch my drift
> 
> 
> 
> At 06:15 PM 1/2/2016, you wrote:
>> The other thing to be aware with re MS Office and iWorks is that iWorks 
>> comes free with the apple products  be they Mac OSX computers or IOS devices.
>> Microsoft office for the mac or IOS devices will cost you money,
>>  
>> If it wasn’t for the organisation I work for using MS products as their 
>> primary office suite and messaging system.
>> I’d be using iWorks and with iCloud drive everything is available on all 
>> devices, although with MS One Drive the same goes for Office 365 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [ 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Robin
>> Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 3:08 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Choosing a Mac, getting started
>>  
>> MayBe if You FEEL that way, either You OR MikeA OR JohnathanM should 
>> consider doing PodCasts demonstrating such or MayBe Johnathan could Compose 
>> some Tutorials-Guides, which HighLight AccessibilityBenefits of Apple's 
>> iWorksSuite Versus Microsoft's OfficeSuite
>> 
>> If it's SoEasy & MoreAccessible Why aren't TotallyBlind & LowVision users of 
>> Apple's OSX using it PrimarilySince you can ConFigure Apple's iWorksSuite to 
>> Resemble Microsoft's OfficeSuite 
>> At 05:50 AM 1/2/2016, you wrote:
>> 
>> I would agree, pages and the Apple products are generally more accessible.  
>> Microsoft has put work in to office 2016 however and has made big 
>> improvements.  I use outlook on the Mac now daily for work and it̢۪s very 
>> good.  Still, pages s and numbers etc seem to flow better and a bit more 
>> accessible but that’s my opinion.  Not sure if itâ€â¢â‚¬â„¢s worth a 
>> podcast or something people just need to try for them selves.
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Robin >  > wrote:
>> 
>> Your a Mac enthusias t, 
>> so Why don't you Compare-Contrast Apple iWorks Versus Microsoft's Office ON 
>> OSX (MacOSX)? 
>> 
>> Don't TalkTheTalk WalkTheWalk 
>> 
>> I'm PrettySure  other MacListers would also BeInterested IN a PodCast of 
>> ThisNature 
>> 
>> At 07:41 AM 12/31/2015, you wrote:
>> 
>> While 4 GB of memory will work, go with 8 if you can afford it, it can only 
>> help you. You will probably find that pages offers better acccessibility 
>> than Microsoft Office at this point, I think you will enjoy the mac 
>> experience.
>> Original message:
>> 
>> I recently joined this group and would like to learn more about using
>> the Mac and its accessibility.  I am considering buying a Mac, and have
>> been exploring some different models.  I would appreciate any input
>> anyone may have before I buy one.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My main purposes right now for using the mac would be for learning how
>> the OS works, using web browsing, email, word processing, listening to
>> audio files, and trying some audio editing.  I'd also like to try Apple
>> Script, Python, and maybe the new Swift programming language.  Does
>> VoiceOver work well in the terminal?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I would also like to have the option to run Windows as a virtual
>> machine, and am considering whether to get 8 GB of RAM or go with 4.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Recently when working on my resume, I found it helpful that my Windows
>> screen reader was able to tell me the horizontal and vertical position
>> of the cursor so that I could tell how far down on the page the text
>> was, and make sure text was lined up horizontally.  Does VoiceOver offer
>> this kind of feedback in either Pages or Microsoft Office?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I'm mainly considering the Mac Mini, Macbook Air, or Macbook.  From
>> reading Apple's OS X requirements, many 2012 or newer models of the Mac
>> Mini are supported.  If I go with a Macbook Air or Macbook, I may go for
>> a newer machine to maximize its battery life since the battery isn't
>> easily replaceable.  Would I be ok with getting a Mac Mini from 2012 or
>> newer if I decide to go with one of those, instead of buying the latest
>> model, or are there any drawbacks from an accessibility standpoint?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> How valuable is it to have a numeric pad?  I understand 

Re: Apple watch and multiple devices.

[Scott Granados]

The watch only pairs with one primary device at a time I believe.  So not sure 
this would work at all.

> On Jan 2, 2016, at 6:00 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Ok, this might be an odd question.
> If i have my iphone paired to my apple watch and then pair the watch with my 
> Ipad Mini, when i want to play music from the apple watch or use the music 
> app there how would i know what the device the watch will play it through?
> /A
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Re: am on the lookout for any podcasts about setting up and using windows and vm fusion

[Scott Granados]

You run your operating system like you would any other problem.  VM Fusionis 
just an application that runs and it houses your other operating systems.  You 
install a screen reader inside the target OS and it runs to help you when your 
using the App.  When you exit out or minimize and go back to the mac Voice Over 
takes over.


Just go to www.blindcooltech.com  and search on 
VM Fusion.  You should find all you need.

> On Jan 2, 2016, at 6:43 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> hey,
> thanks for getting back to me.
> how do you use the operating systems after there all set up? how do you go 
> between them?
> do you have a link to this podcast?
> 
> thanks
> 
> Michael
>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 12:46 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, in my opinion VM Fusion is the best choice.  I like being able to run 
>> multiple operating systems at the same time and work between them freely.  
>> That being said Virtual Box is another free option that does quite well.
>>  Next, Mike Erigo on blindcooltech had a great podcast on setting up 
>> fusion.  It was old but it still works the same way all be it even easier 
>> and more reliably in the newest releases.  Totally worth your time to listen.
>> 
>> It’s a very easy process though, install fusion, activate the create new VM 
>> option and follow the prompts.  I used a Win 7 ISO and set up totally 
>> independently with out eyeballs so you should be able to do this easily.
>> 
>> Good luck and please post any follow up questions you might have.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Michael Marshall  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hey all,
>>> i have been thinking about setting up a virtual machine to run windows 7 on 
>>> the mac using vm fusion.
>>> I do not know where to begin.
>>> are there any podcasts or step by step guides on how to install windows and 
>>> use it effectively with vm fusion?
>>> is vm fusion the best Choice?
>>> 
>>> thanks for any help
>>> 
>>> Michael
>>> 
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Re: Problem with passwords in 1Password

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

Further to our 1password password entry problems, I've just heard from the 
developer and they said they were aware of the problem and are working on it.  
They kindly asked for patience while the problem is being fixed.

Andrew
> On 3 Jan 2016, at 11:48, Nicolai Svendsen  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Is this when you read them in the password field when done editing? Because I 
> have seen that particular issue before.
> 
> Nicolai
> 
> On 1/3/2016 6:38 AM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have also just noticed the same behaviour you've described as I had to 
>> enter a new password manually.  The password is shown and spoken backwards 
>> only even more confusingly, the last two letters of the password are 
>> reversed.  So to clarify, if my password is 9 letters, when I enter it 
>> manually it enters it backwards but the last letter - which I entered first 
>> - comes second from the end. weird or what?
>> 
>> I will have to right  to the developer.
>> 
>> Andrew
>>> On 2 Jan 2016, at 16:56, gs  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I admit that I need to continue to try to isolate exactly what is going on 
>>> but this is getting frustrating. When I try to manually enter passwords in 
>>> 1Passwords for logins, the characters are entered in reverse order.
>>> This seems to only be happening with new entries. I went back and looked at 
>>> some of the older entries and the passwords are being spoken correctly. So 
>>> I can only assume this is not a problem specific to VO. I did some 
>>> preliminary web searches but did not locate anyone else experiencing this 
>>> so thought I would check here to see if anyone else has encountered this 
>>> issue. This is with 1Password in Mac OS X and not the iOS version. I have 
>>> not yet tested with the iOS version to see if I encounter the same issue.
>>> When I copy the password and paste, it is also backward. Is there some 
>>> setting in 1Password?
>>> 
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Re: Really disgusted with iBooks this evening

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Scott,

This isn't to flame you, nor argue with you, nor bash you, nor challenge 
you, so know that up front.  I am actually genuinely interested.


Do you have a web site that talks more about this law which you could direct 
me to?  I'm simply just asking, as I really would like to learn more about 
this, if that be the case.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Granados" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: Really disgusted with iBooks this evening


I believe it’s fairly trivial to crack the DRM if it’s present and remember 
there was a law passed that allows for breaking the protection on files for 
reasons of accessibility.


On Jan 3, 2016, at 3:46 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


I dont' think that's possible, seeing that IBooks are DRM protected.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Simon Fogarty" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 3:14 AM
Subject: RE: Really disgusted with iBooks this evening


Unless you were able to put the book through the likes of the KNFB reader 
and possibly it will OCR the images into a readable format.


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden

Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 9:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Really disgusted with iBooks this evening

The cookbook probably has images (pictures) of the recipes rather than the 
text of the recipes. Therefore, that particular cookbook is not 
accessible, and Apple will probably refund your money.


David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 3 Jan 2016, at 17:21, Mary Otten  wrote:

Hello all,
Today, I purchased two cookbooks in the iBooks store. I could have 
purchased them on Kindle, but because I have generally had better luck 
navigating the specifics of a book and iBooks, I spent my money there. 
Neither book is readable on my iPad or my iPhone. After I get rid of the 
ridiculous non-friendly view in table of contents by changing it to a 
list of you, and double tap on the chapter I want to read, I don't get 
anything intelligible. I get random letters and voiceover saying 
"background image" background image" background image" ad infinitum. It 
has been a while since I have purchased a cookbook. And if this is how 
they're all going to be, it's going to be a lot longer before I waste 
anymore money on Apple's books. Have others had similar problems? I wrote 
Apple accessibility. And I suppose they're probably going to send me off 
to some damned link that will have six other links that I will have to 
follow and eventually get nowhere, which is what happened to me the last 
time they sent me on a wild goose chase after an iTunes problem. I hope 
not, since this is clearly an excess ability problem, so they ought to go 
to bat and number one, figure out what causes it and fix it and also help 
out with refunds. But I really am curious if others are having this 
problem.

Mary


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Re: Problem with passwords in 1Password

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

When I choose Copy password from the contextual menu it copies correctly 
for me, although VoiceOver reads it wrong in my case when just reading 
it from the field itself.


I did write to them a little while ago about it and I was told they 
would fix it, and they are usually very good about this, so I've had no 
reason to doubt them yet.


Nicolai

On 1/3/2016 7:20 AM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:

Yes, that's right.  I have done editing and that's how it appears.  But I've 
also copied the password in 1password having edited it or having put it in and 
pasted it into an empty document and it still appears backwards.  I thought 
initially that it is some kind of a security trick so that it just reads 
backwards but is actually entered in properly somewhere in the works of the app 
but no: when I pasted it, it still appeared backwards so that's how it must 
look when you try to use the app in the browser.

I've just written to AgileBits support to tell them about this change.

Andrew

On 3 Jan 2016, at 11:48, Nicolai Svendsen  wrote:

Hi!

Is this when you read them in the password field when done editing? Because I 
have seen that particular issue before.

Nicolai

On 1/3/2016 6:38 AM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:

Hi,

I have also just noticed the same behaviour you've described as I had to enter 
a new password manually.  The password is shown and spoken backwards only even 
more confusingly, the last two letters of the password are reversed.  So to 
clarify, if my password is 9 letters, when I enter it manually it enters it 
backwards but the last letter - which I entered first - comes second from the 
end. weird or what?

I will have to right  to the developer.

Andrew

On 2 Jan 2016, at 16:56, gs  wrote:

I admit that I need to continue to try to isolate exactly what is going on but 
this is getting frustrating. When I try to manually enter passwords in 
1Passwords for logins, the characters are entered in reverse order.
This seems to only be happening with new entries. I went back and looked at 
some of the older entries and the passwords are being spoken correctly. So I 
can only assume this is not a problem specific to VO. I did some preliminary 
web searches but did not locate anyone else experiencing this so thought I 
would check here to see if anyone else has encountered this issue. This is with 
1Password in Mac OS X and not the iOS version. I have not yet tested with the 
iOS version to see if I encounter the same issue.
When I copy the password and paste, it is also backward. Is there some setting 
in 1Password?


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Re: Really disgusted with iBooks this evening

[Kevin Chao]

Briefing: Accessibility, the Chafee Amendment, and Fair Use
http://www.arl.org/focus-areas/copyright-ip/fair-use/code-of-best-practices/2445-briefing-accessibility-the-chafee-amendment-and-fair-use#.Voljmew76nM

On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 5:35 AM Christopher-Mark Gilland <
clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Scott,
>
> This isn't to flame you, nor argue with you, nor bash you, nor challenge
> you, so know that up front.  I am actually genuinely interested.
>
> Do you have a web site that talks more about this law which you could
> direct
> me to?  I'm simply just asking, as I really would like to learn more about
> this, if that be the case.
>
> Chris.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Scott Granados" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 7:20 AM
> Subject: Re: Really disgusted with iBooks this evening
>
>
> I believe it’s fairly trivial to crack the DRM if it’s present and remember
> there was a law passed that allows for breaking the protection on files for
> reasons of accessibility.
>
> > On Jan 3, 2016, at 3:46 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
> >  wrote:
> >
> > I dont' think that's possible, seeing that IBooks are DRM protected.
> >
> > Chris.
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Simon Fogarty"  >
> > To: 
> > Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 3:14 AM
> > Subject: RE: Really disgusted with iBooks this evening
> >
> >
> > Unless you were able to put the book through the likes of the KNFB reader
> > and possibly it will OCR the images into a readable format.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> > Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 9:10 PM
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Really disgusted with iBooks this evening
> >
> > The cookbook probably has images (pictures) of the recipes rather than
> the
> > text of the recipes. Therefore, that particular cookbook is not
> > accessible, and Apple will probably refund your money.
> >
> > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On 3 Jan 2016, at 17:21, Mary Otten  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello all,
> >> Today, I purchased two cookbooks in the iBooks store. I could have
> >> purchased them on Kindle, but because I have generally had better luck
> >> navigating the specifics of a book and iBooks, I spent my money there.
> >> Neither book is readable on my iPad or my iPhone. After I get rid of the
> >> ridiculous non-friendly view in table of contents by changing it to a
> >> list of you, and double tap on the chapter I want to read, I don't get
> >> anything intelligible. I get random letters and voiceover saying
> >> "background image" background image" background image" ad infinitum. It
> >> has been a while since I have purchased a cookbook. And if this is how
> >> they're all going to be, it's going to be a lot longer before I waste
> >> anymore money on Apple's books. Have others had similar problems? I
> wrote
> >> Apple accessibility. And I suppose they're probably going to send me off
> >> to some damned link that will have six other links that I will have to
> >> follow and eventually get nowhere, which is what happened to me the last
> >> time they sent me on a wild goose chase after an iTunes problem. I hope
> >> not, since this is clearly an excess ability problem, so they ought to
> go
> >> to bat and number one, figure out what causes it and fix it and also
> help
> >> out with refunds. But I really am curious if others are having this
> >> problem.
> >> Mary
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: No sound in vm's after upgrading to VMware 8

[Roland Zitzke]

Hello Janina,

Am Donnerstag, 31. Dezember 2015 23:48:13 UTC+1 schrieb Janina Sajka:
>
>
> I've been happily using VMware 7 with both a Windows 7 and Linux virtual 
> machines. I have recently upgraded to the latest VMware 8 Fusion and no 
> longer 
> get sound in my vm's. My Apple is latest release of El Capitain. 
>
> In fact I can confirm this after upgrade to El Capitan and VMWare 8. 
However, this does not occur promptly after starting the VM. Instead I have 
seen several occasions both with Linux and Windows where sound disappears 
after a while and comes back after a couple of minutes.
VO speaks at the same time so it does not look like a general sound issue 
on the Mac.

/Roland
 

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Re: Really disgusted with iBooks this evening

[Mary Otten]

The last time I looked, and it was a couple of years ago, or at least one, 
there wasn't anything useful that turned up when I looked for ways of cracking 
DRM for iBooks for my own personal use. I really wasn't too interested, because 
for the most part they read well. There are ways of getting rid of it for 
kindle books, and those are pretty well documented. But for iBooks, for some 
reason, not so much.
Mary

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> On Jan 3, 2016, at 4:20 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I believe it’s fairly trivial to crack the DRM if it’s present and remember 
> there was a law passed that allows for breaking the protection on files for 
> reasons of accessibility.
> 
>> On Jan 3, 2016, at 3:46 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I dont' think that's possible, seeing that IBooks are DRM protected.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Simon Fogarty" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 3:14 AM
>> Subject: RE: Really disgusted with iBooks this evening
>> 
>> 
>> Unless you were able to put the book through the likes of the KNFB reader 
>> and possibly it will OCR the images into a readable format.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
>> Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 9:10 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Really disgusted with iBooks this evening
>> 
>> The cookbook probably has images (pictures) of the recipes rather than the 
>> text of the recipes. Therefore, that particular cookbook is not accessible, 
>> and Apple will probably refund your money.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 17:21, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> Today, I purchased two cookbooks in the iBooks store. I could have 
>>> purchased them on Kindle, but because I have generally had better luck 
>>> navigating the specifics of a book and iBooks, I spent my money there. 
>>> Neither book is readable on my iPad or my iPhone. After I get rid of the 
>>> ridiculous non-friendly view in table of contents by changing it to a list 
>>> of you, and double tap on the chapter I want to read, I don't get anything 
>>> intelligible. I get random letters and voiceover saying "background image" 
>>> background image" background image" ad infinitum. It has been a while since 
>>> I have purchased a cookbook. And if this is how they're all going to be, 
>>> it's going to be a lot longer before I waste anymore money on Apple's 
>>> books. Have others had similar problems? I wrote Apple accessibility. And I 
>>> suppose they're probably going to send me off to some damned link that will 
>>> have six other links that I will have to follow and eventually get nowhere, 
>>> which is what happened to me the last time they sent me on a wild goose 
>>> chase after an iTunes problem. I hope not, since this is clearly an excess 
>>> ability problem, so they ought to go to bat and number one, figure out what 
>>> causes it and fix it and also help out with refunds. But I really am 
>>> curious if others are having this problem.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Really disgusted with iBooks this evening

[Mary Otten]

The titles of the two books in question are: the healing kitchen and the Paleo 
cupboard. Both were published at the end of 2015. I think one was in November 
and the other in December.
Mary


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> On Jan 3, 2016, at 7:28 AM, gkearney  wrote:
> 
> Could you please provide the titles of these books. Thank you.
> 
>> On Saturday, 2 January 2016 23:21:54 UTC-8, Mary Otten wrote:
>> Hello all, 
>> Today, I purchased two cookbooks in the iBooks store. I could have purchased 
>> them on Kindle, but because I have generally had better luck navigating the 
>> specifics of a book and iBooks, I spent my money there. Neither book is 
>> readable on my iPad or my iPhone. After I get rid of the ridiculous 
>> non-friendly view in table of contents by changing it to a list of you, and 
>> double tap on the chapter I want to read, I don't get anything intelligible. 
>> I get random letters and voiceover saying "background image" background 
>> image" background image" ad infinitum. It has been a while since I have 
>> purchased a cookbook. And if this is how they're all going to be, it's going 
>> to be a lot longer before I waste anymore money on Apple's books. Have 
>> others had similar problems? I wrote Apple accessibility. And I suppose 
>> they're probably going to send me off to some damned link that will have six 
>> other links that I will have to follow and eventually get nowhere, which is 
>> what happened to me the last time they sent me on a wild goose chase after 
>> an iTunes problem. I hope not, since this is clearly an excess ability 
>> problem, so they ought to go to bat and number one, figure out what causes 
>> it and fix it and also help out with refunds. But I really am curious if 
>> others are having this problem. 
>> Mary 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Changing the view in a collection in the Kindle app

[Mary Otten]

I am sending this to three lists, because I know there are unique individuals 
on each one who have I-devices. I am looking for a way to change the view you 
get when you open a collection in the Amazon Kindle app on an iPad. Grid view 
seems to be the only choice. It's easy to miss things in a grid view even when 
flicking. Sometimes you flick past something. I am also looking for a way to 
change the order of the items in the collection. It seems like the things you 
add the most recently go at the end. I would like to reverse that order, or 
maybe find alphabetical order or some sort of order that is anything but most 
recent at the very end. I've looked through the menus, and I have looked at the 
top and the bottom of the screen when a given collection is open. I can't find 
anything to change this grid view or the sort order. My basic library view of 
sorting is most recent at the top. But that does not carry over to collections. 
Any help or advice here?
Mary


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