date:20160901

Re: VO threw a bluetooth speaker

2016-09-01 Thread Agent086b

Hi,
sorry I did not ask the question correctly. It is the VO on the Mac that I wish 
to put threw the bluetooth speakers.
and music from the Mac throwout the house.
Thanks again.
Max.
> On 2 Sep 2016, at 1:12 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> According to info I have read, this will be possible in iOS 10.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 2 Sep 2016, at 15:01, Agent086b  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Hi,
>> if I have asked this before I have forgotten the answer. Can I have VO 
>> through a bluetooth speaker and music through the Mac ones? I would like to 
>> play music through the house but not have VO through the house at the same 
>> time. 
>> Thanks for any help.
>> Max.
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Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

2016-09-01 Thread Mary Otten

Yes. I too would like to be able to plug my eye device into a PC or Mac and 
access that like I could  A thumb drive. I would also like a storage slot, so 
that damned 16 GB model they sell wouldn't be so ridiculously limited. Yes, I 
know they are supposedly upping it to 32, big deal. On the other hand, my 
android device is a nexus, because it gets timely updates, just like apples 
things do. No storage card there either. Nothing is perfect.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:30 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> The article I read must' have been gravely misinformed.
> I would just like to download files from Safari to my iPhone such as mp3 
> files.
> viewing it as a harddrive like the Android phones.
>> On 2 Sep. 2016, at 1:26 pm, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Samsung tried what? Samsung did not remove the headphone jack. They took 
>> away the storage card slot. And they brought it back, because people 
>> complain. They took away the user replaceable battery. They did not bring 
>> that back, despite complaint. They do what they want. There is no 
>> immediately efficient replacement for that storage card slot. Apple has 
>> never had one. People have complained forever about the fact that it is 
>> harder to access the whole file system on Apple devices. As Apple change 
>> that? No they have not.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2016, at 7:28 PM, Michael Marshall  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There will definitely be a backlash, Samsung tried this and it was reversed.
>>> The reason Apple is doing this is simple, money.
 On 1 Sep. 2016, at 6:28 pm, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:

 I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge 
 negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope the 
 inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this and 
 reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New Zealand. 
 I'm the only blind person there, and people are justifiably livid about 
 the removal of the headphone jack. Most people don't want this, and I 
 suspect based on what has leaked that the benefits to most people of 
 upgrading will be so incremental that the lack of a headphone jack will 
 cause a lot of people to sit it out.
 That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, 
 because one thing that this process has taught me since I started blogging 
 about the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm at a time 
 when it may have made a difference, is that I was naive to think that 
 blind people might be any more sensitive to and respectful of the 
 accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing impaired. I guess I 
 would like to think that since we know what impact inaccessibility can 
 have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to the needs of others, even 
 when the issues didn't affect us directly. But that has proven a stupid 
 pipe dream on my part, and I've found the whole thing really upsetting. 
 For the most part, it seems like it's everyone for themselves these days, 
 and if others are being thrown under the bus, well too damn bad.
 As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid 
 wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost all 
 the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for someone 
 who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were to 
 improve, Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and it's 
 difficult to get through an entire business day of use without the need to 
 charge something.
 And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't then 
 charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, selfish, 
 stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This company, which 
 parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of badge of honour, 
 appears to be about to crap all over one segment of its accessibility 
 market.
 Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And 
 they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, in 
 time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive carefully 
 managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C on its 
 iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even offer on its 
 own personal computers, meaning you won't be able to use the 
 Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's two sets of headphones 
 you're going to have to carry around with you, unless you don't mind 
 having an adapter jutting out of the port you want to charge your phone 
 with. Absolutely absurd.
 I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking 
 Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They kn

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

2016-09-01 Thread Michael Marshall

The article I read must' have been gravely misinformed.
I would just like to download files from Safari to my iPhone such as mp3 files.
viewing it as a harddrive like the Android phones.
> On 2 Sep. 2016, at 1:26 pm, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Samsung tried what? Samsung did not remove the headphone jack. They took away 
> the storage card slot. And they brought it back, because people complain. 
> They took away the user replaceable battery. They did not bring that back, 
> despite complaint. They do what they want. There is no immediately efficient 
> replacement for that storage card slot. Apple has never had one. People have 
> complained forever about the fact that it is harder to access the whole file 
> system on Apple devices. As Apple change that? No they have not.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 1, 2016, at 7:28 PM, Michael Marshall  > wrote:
> 
>> There will definitely be a backlash, Samsung tried this and it was reversed.
>> The reason Apple is doing this is simple, money.
>>> On 1 Sep. 2016, at 6:28 pm, Jonathan Mosen >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge 
>>> negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope the 
>>> inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this and 
>>> reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New Zealand. 
>>> I'm the only blind person there, and people are justifiably livid about the 
>>> removal of the headphone jack. Most people don't want this, and I suspect 
>>> based on what has leaked that the benefits to most people of upgrading will 
>>> be so incremental that the lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of 
>>> people to sit it out.
>>> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, because 
>>> one thing that this process has taught me since I started blogging about 
>>> the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm at a time when it 
>>> may have made a difference, is that I was naive to think that blind people 
>>> might be any more sensitive to and respectful of the accessibility needs of 
>>> others, such as the hearing impaired. I guess I would like to think that 
>>> since we know what impact inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we 
>>> would be sensitive to the needs of others, even when the issues didn't 
>>> affect us directly. But that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and 
>>> I've found the whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems 
>>> like it's everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being 
>>> thrown under the bus, well too damn bad.
>>> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid 
>>> wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost all 
>>> the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for someone 
>>> who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were to improve, 
>>> Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and it's difficult 
>>> to get through an entire business day of use without the need to charge 
>>> something.
>>> And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't then 
>>> charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, selfish, 
>>> stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This company, which 
>>> parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of badge of honour, 
>>> appears to be about to crap all over one segment of its accessibility 
>>> market.
>>> Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And 
>>> they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, in 
>>> time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive carefully 
>>> managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C on its 
>>> iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even offer on its 
>>> own personal computers, meaning you won't be able to use the 
>>> Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's two sets of headphones 
>>> you're going to have to carry around with you, unless you don't mind having 
>>> an adapter jutting out of the port you want to charge your phone with. 
>>> Absolutely absurd.
>>> I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking 
>>> Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has 
>>> given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more viable 
>>> for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm really going 
>>> to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by then because there is 
>>> certainly going to be a backlash.
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.org 
 On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor >>> > wrote:
 
 Hello Mary,
 
 My point is simp

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

2016-09-01 Thread Mary Otten

Samsung tried what? Samsung did not remove the headphone jack. They took away 
the storage card slot. And they brought it back, because people complain. They 
took away the user replaceable battery. They did not bring that back, despite 
complaint. They do what they want. There is no immediately efficient 
replacement for that storage card slot. Apple has never had one. People have 
complained forever about the fact that it is harder to access the whole file 
system on Apple devices. As Apple change that? No they have not.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 1, 2016, at 7:28 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> There will definitely be a backlash, Samsung tried this and it was reversed.
> The reason Apple is doing this is simple, money.
>> On 1 Sep. 2016, at 6:28 pm, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge 
>> negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope the 
>> inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this and 
>> reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New Zealand. I'm 
>> the only blind person there, and people are justifiably livid about the 
>> removal of the headphone jack. Most people don't want this, and I suspect 
>> based on what has leaked that the benefits to most people of upgrading will 
>> be so incremental that the lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of 
>> people to sit it out.
>> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, because 
>> one thing that this process has taught me since I started blogging about the 
>> possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm at a time when it may 
>> have made a difference, is that I was naive to think that blind people might 
>> be any more sensitive to and respectful of the accessibility needs of 
>> others, such as the hearing impaired. I guess I would like to think that 
>> since we know what impact inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we 
>> would be sensitive to the needs of others, even when the issues didn't 
>> affect us directly. But that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and 
>> I've found the whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems 
>> like it's everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being thrown 
>> under the bus, well too damn bad.
>> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid 
>> wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost all 
>> the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for someone 
>> who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were to improve, 
>> Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and it's difficult 
>> to get through an entire business day of use without the need to charge 
>> something.
>> And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't then 
>> charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, selfish, 
>> stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This company, which 
>> parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of badge of honour, 
>> appears to be about to crap all over one segment of its accessibility market.
>> Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And 
>> they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, in 
>> time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive carefully 
>> managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C on its iDevices. 
>> It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even offer on its own personal 
>> computers, meaning you won't be able to use the Lightning-based Ear Pods 
>> even with a Mac. That's two sets of headphones you're going to have to carry 
>> around with you, unless you don't mind having an adapter jutting out of the 
>> port you want to charge your phone with. Absolutely absurd.
>> I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking Apple 
>> over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has given them 
>> a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more viable for daily 
>> use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm really going to be 
>> stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by then because there is 
>> certainly going to be a backlash.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org
>> 
>>> On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Mary,
>>> 
>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an 
>>> active role in what the future brings.  We, as consumers, have alternatives 
>>> and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that companies pay 
>>> attention.  
>>> 
>>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically ridiculous 
>>> decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, I'm not so 
>>> certain that just because it decides something

Re: VO threw a bluetooth speaker

2016-09-01 Thread David Chittenden

According to info I have read, this will be possible in iOS 10.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 2 Sep 2016, at 15:01, Agent086b  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Hi,
> if I have asked this before I have forgotten the answer. Can I have VO 
> through a bluetooth speaker and music through the Mac ones? I would like to 
> play music through the house but not have VO through the house at the same 
> time. 
> Thanks for any help.
> Max.
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VO threw a bluetooth speaker

2016-09-01 Thread Agent086b

Hi,
Hi,
if I have asked this before I have forgotten the answer. Can I have VO through 
a bluetooth speaker and music through the Mac ones? I would like to play music 
through the house but not have VO through the house at the same time. 
Thanks for any help.
Max.

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Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

2016-09-01 Thread E.T.


   Wait one week and we will see.

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  Are We Alone in the Universe?
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On 9/1/2016 7:36 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:

From my point of view, the only concern in my case is charging.
I'm not going to get an iPhone seven regardless because of the costs
involved..
I wonder if apple will make a dual purpose adapter? one port for a jack
and one for a charge cord?
From what I understand several other phone makers have taken out the
headphone Jack.
It is very concerning, but if I had to, I could probably get by


On 1 Sep. 2016, at 6:28 pm, Jonathan Mosen mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote:

I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a
huge negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to
hope the inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they
did this and reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here
in New Zealand. I'm the only blind person there, and people are
justifiably livid about the removal of the headphone jack. Most people
don't want this, and I suspect based on what has leaked that the
benefits to most people of upgrading will be so incremental that the
lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out.
That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me,
because one thing that this process has taught me since I started
blogging about the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the
alarm at a time when it may have made a difference, is that I was
naive to think that blind people might be any more sensitive to and
respectful of the accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing
impaired. I guess I would like to think that since we know what impact
inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to
the needs of others, even when the issues didn't affect us directly.
But that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found the
whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's
everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being thrown
under the bus, well too damn bad.
As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing
aid wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack
almost all the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not
viable for someone who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even
if this were to improve, Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a
profound way and it's difficult to get through an entire business day
of use without the need to charge something.
And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't
then charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless,
selfish, stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This
company, which parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of
badge of honour, appears to be about to crap all over one segment of
its accessibility market.
Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And
they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps,
in time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive
carefully managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C
on its iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even
offer on its own personal computers, meaning you won't be able to use
the Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's two sets of
headphones you're going to have to carry around with you, unless you
don't mind having an adapter jutting out of the port you want to
charge your phone with. Absolutely absurd.
I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking
Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has
given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more
viable for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm
really going to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by
then because there is certainly going to be a backlash.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org 


On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote:

Hello Mary,

My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays
an active role in what the future brings.  We, as consumers, have
alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives
that companies pay attention.

Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically
ridiculous decision to unilaterally put albums in its users'
accounts, I'm not so certain that just because it decides something
it better will make it so.

I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it
would change the lives of the world.  Well, as far as I can tell, my
world hasn't changed one bit either with or without it.

As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to
follow Apple's lead in the coming future.  As one of the executives
of Samsung recently sai

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

2016-09-01 Thread Michael Marshall

>From my point of view, the only concern in my case is charging.
I'm not going to get an iPhone seven regardless because of the costs involved..
I wonder if apple will make a dual purpose adapter? one port for a jack and one 
for a charge cord?
>From what I understand several other phone makers have taken out the headphone 
>Jack.
It is very concerning, but if I had to, I could probably get by

> On 1 Sep. 2016, at 6:28 pm, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge 
> negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope the 
> inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this and 
> reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New Zealand. I'm 
> the only blind person there, and people are justifiably livid about the 
> removal of the headphone jack. Most people don't want this, and I suspect 
> based on what has leaked that the benefits to most people of upgrading will 
> be so incremental that the lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of 
> people to sit it out.
> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, because 
> one thing that this process has taught me since I started blogging about the 
> possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm at a time when it may 
> have made a difference, is that I was naive to think that blind people might 
> be any more sensitive to and respectful of the accessibility needs of others, 
> such as the hearing impaired. I guess I would like to think that since we 
> know what impact inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be 
> sensitive to the needs of others, even when the issues didn't affect us 
> directly. But that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found 
> the whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's 
> everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being thrown under the 
> bus, well too damn bad.
> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid 
> wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost all 
> the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for someone 
> who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were to improve, 
> Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and it's difficult 
> to get through an entire business day of use without the need to charge 
> something.
> And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't then 
> charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, selfish, 
> stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This company, which 
> parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of badge of honour, 
> appears to be about to crap all over one segment of its accessibility market.
> Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And 
> they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, in 
> time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive carefully 
> managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C on its iDevices. 
> It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even offer on its own personal 
> computers, meaning you won't be able to use the Lightning-based Ear Pods even 
> with a Mac. That's two sets of headphones you're going to have to carry 
> around with you, unless you don't mind having an adapter jutting out of the 
> port you want to charge your phone with. Absolutely absurd.
> I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking Apple 
> over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has given them a 
> great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more viable for daily use. 
> Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm really going to be stuck. 
> Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by then because there is certainly 
> going to be a backlash.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
>> On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Mary,
>> 
>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an 
>> active role in what the future brings.  We, as consumers, have alternatives 
>> and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that companies pay 
>> attention.  
>> 
>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically ridiculous 
>> decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, I'm not so 
>> certain that just because it decides something it better will make it so.
>> 
>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it would 
>> change the lives of the world.  Well, as far as I can tell, my world hasn't 
>> changed one bit either with or without it.  
>> 
>> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to follow 
>> Apple's lead in the coming future.  As one of the

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

2016-09-01 Thread Michael Marshall

There will definitely be a backlash, Samsung tried this and it was reversed.
The reason Apple is doing this is simple, money.
> On 1 Sep. 2016, at 6:28 pm, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge 
> negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope the 
> inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this and 
> reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New Zealand. I'm 
> the only blind person there, and people are justifiably livid about the 
> removal of the headphone jack. Most people don't want this, and I suspect 
> based on what has leaked that the benefits to most people of upgrading will 
> be so incremental that the lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of 
> people to sit it out.
> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, because 
> one thing that this process has taught me since I started blogging about the 
> possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm at a time when it may 
> have made a difference, is that I was naive to think that blind people might 
> be any more sensitive to and respectful of the accessibility needs of others, 
> such as the hearing impaired. I guess I would like to think that since we 
> know what impact inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be 
> sensitive to the needs of others, even when the issues didn't affect us 
> directly. But that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found 
> the whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's 
> everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being thrown under the 
> bus, well too damn bad.
> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid 
> wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost all 
> the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for someone 
> who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were to improve, 
> Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and it's difficult 
> to get through an entire business day of use without the need to charge 
> something.
> And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't then 
> charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, selfish, 
> stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This company, which 
> parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of badge of honour, 
> appears to be about to crap all over one segment of its accessibility market.
> Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And 
> they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, in 
> time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive carefully 
> managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C on its iDevices. 
> It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even offer on its own personal 
> computers, meaning you won't be able to use the Lightning-based Ear Pods even 
> with a Mac. That's two sets of headphones you're going to have to carry 
> around with you, unless you don't mind having an adapter jutting out of the 
> port you want to charge your phone with. Absolutely absurd.
> I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking Apple 
> over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has given them a 
> great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more viable for daily use. 
> Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm really going to be stuck. 
> Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by then because there is certainly 
> going to be a backlash.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
>> On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Mary,
>> 
>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an 
>> active role in what the future brings.  We, as consumers, have alternatives 
>> and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that companies pay 
>> attention.  
>> 
>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically ridiculous 
>> decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, I'm not so 
>> certain that just because it decides something it better will make it so.
>> 
>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it would 
>> change the lives of the world.  Well, as far as I can tell, my world hasn't 
>> changed one bit either with or without it.  
>> 
>> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to follow 
>> Apple's lead in the coming future.  As one of the executives of Samsung 
>> recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when it follows." 
>> 
>> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see.  Fortunately for 
>> me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest device 
>> just

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

2016-09-01 Thread Jonathan Mosen

Keep fighting the good fight David. This is far too important an issue to give 
up. Our money is as good as anyone else's and we must never give up advocating 
for recognition of our need to be able to use our devices with efficiency and 
privacy while also charging them. If it turns out that this need has been met, 
then it will in part be due to courageous people like you who have spoken up.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

> On 2/09/2016, at 11:05 AM, David Griffith  wrote:
> 
> As another deaf iPhone user I agree with everything you say but I htink you 
> will probably not get that much understanding.  I tried to explain on this 
> list about how a wired headset was essential for me but was accused bizarrely 
> of being a troll because I dared to criticise an Apple innovation.
> This did cause another another poster to comment that ironically some people 
> are deaf to the concerns of those of with hearing impairments.
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> On 01/09/2016 20:07, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
>> Hi Mary, unfortunately this issue doesn't affect the Deaf community in the 
>> same way as it affects blind people who wear hearing aids and require decent 
>> latency. And the fact that those of us who are affected are such a minority 
>> makes us more vulnerable. You can be sure I am considering my legal options 
>> under legislation here.
>> A standard hearing aid wearer uses their phone actively far less than a 
>> blind person who wears a hearing aid. For example, if a Bluetooth solution 
>> is being used, after a standard hearing aid wearer has finished their call 
>> or isn't listening to music, the technology goes into standby and uses very 
>> little energy. A blind person has VO talking a lot of the time if they're 
>> using their device for tasks like reading and creating documents, email etc, 
>> so the impact is much greater.
>> Even if people are willing to accept an adapter jutting out of their phone 
>> with its resultant potential to be lost or bent, the adapter will not solve 
>> the problem entirely if it means that you can't charge your device and use 
>> headphones at the same time. I travel long distances for example, often with 
>> flights over 12 hours long. I regularly take my Anka battery with me and 
>> charge the phone while I use it to compensate for the inaccessible in-flight 
>> entertainment system. It's important to me to have a full charge when I 
>> reach my destination. Based on the information we have, it looks like you 
>> can either listen to wired headphones or charge, not both.
>> That means that every VoiceOver user who chooses a wired option appears to 
>> have to choose between privacy and charge.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org 
>>> On 2/09/2016, at 4:41 AM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, just to be clear, I personally would be against this move, if it 
>>> means that they' very large hard of hearing community can't use  hearing 
>>> aids on iPhones anymore. That seems like such an incredibly stupid move on 
>>> Apple's part, that I am tempted to just believe that they wouldn't do it if 
>>> they didn't have a workaround that would work for people who use hearing 
>>> aids. The hard of hearing community is orders of magnitude larger then the 
>>> blind community. So Shirley, this adapter must be providing someway for 
>>> people who use hearing aids to keep on doing so. What am I missing here? I 
>>> remember sometime ago, when the idea that the headphone jack would go away 
>>> first came out, Jonathan wrote a very impassioned piece on 
>>> this subject, arguing that this was a very bad idea because of the use case 
>>> of hearing aids. Now Apple is going to do it anyway, but they're offering 
>>> an adapter. Why doesn't that solve the problem? I understand why Bluetooth 
>>> is not a good alternative, given Jonathan's comments on battery drain and 
>>> the well-known problem for voiceover users with latency. It's still really 
>>> bad, at least on my phone with my  legend. I would not want to have to type 
>>> on that system for anything more than a word or two, because the latency 
>>> between when you touch a letter and when you hear it is much too long.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados >>> > wrote:
 
 Mary, you’re exactly right and points well stated as always.  Here’s 
 another point to consider, suppose we add wireless charging. Now, you 
 could have a brick with no ports what so ever formed from one solid piece 
 of material.  You could almost grow the casing and have a super durable 
 waterproof phone with no openings at all.  The entire surface could be a 
 screen.  Not needing ports is a good thing over all.
 
 
 
>

VLC Media Player mixed up with Audacity

2016-09-01 Thread Sharon Hooley

Hi,

I'm trying to open a DVD using VLC on my Mac Air with OS 10.  I'm not sure if 
it's a mistake I made, but it seems that VLC is tethered  to Audacity.  When I 
try to open disk, an error comes up saying something like  VLC can't open the 
input MRL, something  Audacity.  So, how do I disconnect them?  I went  through 
preferences for both apps, and system, but so far I don't understand what to 
do.  Does anyone know the steps I should try?

Thanks,



Sharon H.

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Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

2016-09-01 Thread Robin

And, if You Don'tCare about ThePeople, who WillBe 
AffectedBy TheRemoval of the iPhone'sHeadPhone 
Jack, Why should Ol'Sighty Care about YourAccess 
as either a TotallyBlind or LowVision user?

At 05:06 AM 9/1/2016, you wrote:
Hi. I use Bluetooth stereo headphones so this 
new revelation doesnâ€™t effect me. I wouldnâ€™t 
even carry an adaptor around with me because 
Iâ€™m not one for carrying extra bits around 
just to accomplish a simple task like wanting to plug your headphones in.
> On 31 Aug 2016, at 13:29, Michael Marshall 
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>
> hey all,
> I know there have been many leaks of supposed 
schematics and things on the new iPhone seven 
and if or not it will have a 3.5mm jack.

> The latest leak I believe has credence.
> In the box with the iPhone seven, you will 
get a lightning to 3.5 mm adapter witch is what 
i guessed apple would do if they did take the jack from the phone.
> If this is indeed the case I am quite 
satisfied because at least they have made an adapter readily available.

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Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

2016-09-01 Thread David Griffith

As another deaf iPhone user I agree with everything you say but I htink 
you will probably not get that much understanding.  I tried to explain 
on this list about how a wired headset was essential for me but was 
accused bizarrely of being a troll because I dared to criticise an Apple 
innovation.
This did cause another another poster to comment that ironically some 
people are deaf to the concerns of those of with hearing impairments.


David Griffith

On 01/09/2016 20:07, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
Hi Mary, unfortunately this issue doesn't affect the Deaf community in 
the same way as it affects blind people who wear hearing aids and 
require decent latency. And the fact that those of us who are affected 
are such a minority makes us more vulnerable. You can be sure I am 
considering my legal options under legislation here.
A standard hearing aid wearer uses their phone actively far less than 
a blind person who wears a hearing aid. For example, if a Bluetooth 
solution is being used, after a standard hearing aid wearer has 
finished their call or isn't listening to music, the technology goes 
into standby and uses very little energy. A blind person has VO 
talking a lot of the time if they're using their device for tasks like 
reading and creating documents, email etc, so the impact is much greater.
Even if people are willing to accept an adapter jutting out of their 
phone with its resultant potential to be lost or bent, the adapter 
will not solve the problem entirely if it means that you can't charge 
your device and use headphones at the same time. I travel long 
distances for example, often with flights over 12 hours long. I 
regularly take my Anka battery with me and charge the phone while I 
use it to compensate for the inaccessible in-flight entertainment 
system. It's important to me to have a full charge when I reach my 
destination. Based on the information we have, it looks like you can 
either listen to wired headphones or charge, not both.
That means that every VoiceOver user who chooses a wired option 
appears to have to choose between privacy and charge.

Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org 

On 2/09/2016, at 4:41 AM, Mary Otten > wrote:


Well, just to be clear, I personally would be against this move, if 
it means that they' very large hard of hearing community can't use 
 hearing aids on iPhones anymore. That seems like such an incredibly 
stupid move on Apple's part, that I am tempted to just believe that 
they wouldn't do it if they didn't have a workaround that would work 
for people who use hearing aids. The hard of hearing community is 
orders of magnitude larger then the blind community. So Shirley, this 
adapter must be providing someway for people who use hearing aids to 
keep on doing so. What am I missing here? I remember sometime ago, 
when the idea that the headphone jack would go away first came out, 
Jonathan wrote a very impassioned piece on this subject, arguing that 
this was a very bad idea because of the use case of hearing aids. Now 
Apple is going to do it anyway, but they're offering an adapter. Why 
doesn't that solve the problem? I understand why Bluetooth is not a 
good alternative, given Jonathan's comments on battery drain and the 
well-known problem for voiceover users with latency. It's still 
really bad, at least on my phone with my  legend. I would not want to 
have to type on that system for anything more than a word or two, 
because the latency between when you touch a letter and when you hear 
it is much too long.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados > wrote:


Mary, you’re exactly right and points well stated as always.  Here’s 
another point to consider, suppose we add wireless charging. Now, 
you could have a brick with no ports what so ever formed from one 
solid piece of material.  You could almost grow the casing and have 
a super durable waterproof phone with no openings at all.  The 
entire surface could be a screen.  Not needing ports is a good thing 
over all.




On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Mary Otten > wrote:


Hi Mark,
Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the 
disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the 
storage card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable 
battery. Also, if the other rumor is true, Apple will be including 
compatible earbuds with the new phone, as well as an adapter to 
make it possible for people to use other headphones. Given the 
prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect that the headphone 
jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other device makers 
are already moving in this direction. So it isn't just Apple. In 
fact, they will not be the first ones to market without a headphone 
jack on the phone.



Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M.

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

2016-09-01 Thread Jonathan Mosen

Hi Mary, one can only hope. And that's why all the agitation, the online 
petition that gained over 300,000 signatures, and the publicity has been so 
important. It was absolutely critical to raise these issues at a time when 
design tweaks could be made, which is precisely why I raised the alarm back in 
December when it was pretty clear this was coming. That's how effective 
advocacy works, you have to know when the process can be influenced and act 
then, not when it's too late.
A number of us have raised these issues at a senior level and now that the jack 
has gone, we have to have everything crossed that this use case has been 
accounted for. If it comes down to elegance versus convenience, that's a very 
different matter from being shut out of a product because of a serious 
accessibility constraint. If the accessibility constraint is a reality, then 
all we can do is hope that the convenience factor is so significant that 
there's a significant backlash.
I may not upgrade to the iPhone 7 even if you can charge and use wired 
headphones at the same time, but it would be good to have the same choice to 
make that decision as everyone else.
Thanks for your understanding and compassion. It's comforting to know some 
people do get it. For those of us who depend on these devices for our 
livelihood, it's a tense week ahead as we find out just what they've done.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

> On 2/09/2016, at 9:31 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for refreshing my memory about the special circumstances, Jonathan. I 
> can only hope that Apple does the right thing and comes out with a way to 
> enable simultaneous charging and headphone usage. I am obviously not a 
> designer, but it seems like it Ohta be possible to make something like that. 
> I mean, why not? If the audio and the power are all coming from that one 
> place, why couldn't they make something with two connectors? No, it wouldn't 
> be pretty or elegant. But if it worked, that would be the main thing, 
> wouldn't it? If they are in fact committed to accessibility, and design of 
> such a device as possible and reasonable, then they ought to do it. They do a 
> lot of other things that are not necessary at all. Just I candy.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 1, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Jonathan Mosen  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mary, unfortunately this issue doesn't affect the Deaf community in the 
>> same way as it affects blind people who wear hearing aids and require decent 
>> latency. And the fact that those of us who are affected are such a minority 
>> makes us more vulnerable. You can be sure I am considering my legal options 
>> under legislation here.
>> A standard hearing aid wearer uses their phone actively far less than a 
>> blind person who wears a hearing aid. For example, if a Bluetooth solution 
>> is being used, after a standard hearing aid wearer has finished their call 
>> or isn't listening to music, the technology goes into standby and uses very 
>> little energy. A blind person has VO talking a lot of the time if they're 
>> using their device for tasks like reading and creating documents, email etc, 
>> so the impact is much greater.
>> Even if people are willing to accept an adapter jutting out of their phone 
>> with its resultant potential to be lost or bent, the adapter will not solve 
>> the problem entirely if it means that you can't charge your device and use 
>> headphones at the same time. I travel long distances for example, often with 
>> flights over 12 hours long. I regularly take my Anka battery with me and 
>> charge the phone while I use it to compensate for the inaccessible in-flight 
>> entertainment system. It's important to me to have a full charge when I 
>> reach my destination. Based on the information we have, it looks like you 
>> can either listen to wired headphones or charge, not both.
>> That means that every VoiceOver user who chooses a wired option appears to 
>> have to choose between privacy and charge.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org 
>>> On 2/09/2016, at 4:41 AM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, just to be clear, I personally would be against this move, if it 
>>> means that they' very large hard of hearing community can't use  hearing 
>>> aids on iPhones anymore. That seems like such an incredibly stupid move on 
>>> Apple's part, that I am tempted to just believe that they wouldn't do it if 
>>> they didn't have a workaround that would work for people who use hearing 
>>> aids. The hard of hearing community is orders of magnitude larger then the 
>>> blind community. So Shirley, this adapter must be providing someway for 
>>> people who use hearing aids to keep on doing so. What am I missing here? I 
>>> remember sometime ago, when the idea that the hea

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

2016-09-01 Thread Scott Granados

I’m going to laugh when two weeks from now we’re opening our iPhones and find 
that all it is included is a small pigtail with a 1/8th inch headphone port and 
power port hanging off.:)

As several have said let’s wait and see what’s in the box.

And your complaint about some adapter hanging off the phone is absolutely off 
base.  A 1/8th jack head phone also sticks out and can be jammed or wedged 
damaging the main board so six of one, half a dozen of the other.  THere’s no 
difference.

I’m absolutely 100% on board with you not being forced to use bluetooth.  
Unless you’re using the latest bluetooth spec hardware and software supporting 
it you’ll get lag that can be far outside what’s acceptable.  The iPhone 7 
supposedly addresses this from what I’ve read but again, let’s see what ships 
in the box.  There will be that iPhone breakdown showing the insides released 
early delivery day.

No matter what happens, I sincerely hope that nobody’s access is really 
impacted by this change negatively.  Let’s see what we get from Apple next week.




> On Sep 1, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary, unfortunately this issue doesn't affect the Deaf community in the 
> same way as it affects blind people who wear hearing aids and require decent 
> latency. And the fact that those of us who are affected are such a minority 
> makes us more vulnerable. You can be sure I am considering my legal options 
> under legislation here.
> A standard hearing aid wearer uses their phone actively far less than a blind 
> person who wears a hearing aid. For example, if a Bluetooth solution is being 
> used, after a standard hearing aid wearer has finished their call or isn't 
> listening to music, the technology goes into standby and uses very little 
> energy. A blind person has VO talking a lot of the time if they're using 
> their device for tasks like reading and creating documents, email etc, so the 
> impact is much greater.
> Even if people are willing to accept an adapter jutting out of their phone 
> with its resultant potential to be lost or bent, the adapter will not solve 
> the problem entirely if it means that you can't charge your device and use 
> headphones at the same time. I travel long distances for example, often with 
> flights over 12 hours long. I regularly take my Anka battery with me and 
> charge the phone while I use it to compensate for the inaccessible in-flight 
> entertainment system. It's important to me to have a full charge when I reach 
> my destination. Based on the information we have, it looks like you can 
> either listen to wired headphones or charge, not both.
> That means that every VoiceOver user who chooses a wired option appears to 
> have to choose between privacy and charge.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
>> On 2/09/2016, at 4:41 AM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>> Well, just to be clear, I personally would be against this move, if it means 
>> that they' very large hard of hearing community can't use  hearing aids on 
>> iPhones anymore. That seems like such an incredibly stupid move on Apple's 
>> part, that I am tempted to just believe that they wouldn't do it if they 
>> didn't have a workaround that would work for people who use hearing aids. 
>> The hard of hearing community is orders of magnitude larger then the blind 
>> community. So Shirley, this adapter must be providing someway for people who 
>> use hearing aids to keep on doing so. What am I missing here? I remember 
>> sometime ago, when the idea that the headphone jack would go away first came 
>> out, Jonathan wrote a very impassioned piece on this subject, arguing that 
>> this was a very bad idea because of the use case of hearing aids. Now Apple 
>> is going to do it anyway, but they're offering an adapter. Why doesn't that 
>> solve the problem? I understand why Bluetooth is not a good alternative, 
>> given Jonathan's comments on battery drain and the well-known problem for 
>> voiceover users with latency. It's still really bad, at least on my phone 
>> with my  legend. I would not want to have to type on that system for 
>> anything more than a word or two, because the latency between when you touch 
>> a letter and when you hear it is much too long.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mary, you’re exactly right and points well stated as always.  Here’s 
>>> another point to consider, suppose we add wireless charging. Now, you could 
>>> have a brick with no ports what so ever formed from one solid piece of 
>>> material.  You could almost grow the casing and have a super durable 
>>> waterproof phone with no openings at all.  The entire surface could be a 
>>> screen.  Not needing ports is a good thing over all.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Mary Ott

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

2016-09-01 Thread Mary Otten

Thanks for refreshing my memory about the special circumstances, Jonathan. I 
can only hope that Apple does the right thing and comes out with a way to 
enable simultaneous charging and headphone usage. I am obviously not a 
designer, but it seems like it Ohta be possible to make something like that. I 
mean, why not? If the audio and the power are all coming from that one place, 
why couldn't they make something with two connectors? No, it wouldn't be pretty 
or elegant. But if it worked, that would be the main thing, wouldn't it? If 
they are in fact committed to accessibility, and design of such a device as 
possible and reasonable, then they ought to do it. They do a lot of other 
things that are not necessary at all. Just I candy.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 1, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary, unfortunately this issue doesn't affect the Deaf community in the 
> same way as it affects blind people who wear hearing aids and require decent 
> latency. And the fact that those of us who are affected are such a minority 
> makes us more vulnerable. You can be sure I am considering my legal options 
> under legislation here.
> A standard hearing aid wearer uses their phone actively far less than a blind 
> person who wears a hearing aid. For example, if a Bluetooth solution is being 
> used, after a standard hearing aid wearer has finished their call or isn't 
> listening to music, the technology goes into standby and uses very little 
> energy. A blind person has VO talking a lot of the time if they're using 
> their device for tasks like reading and creating documents, email etc, so the 
> impact is much greater.
> Even if people are willing to accept an adapter jutting out of their phone 
> with its resultant potential to be lost or bent, the adapter will not solve 
> the problem entirely if it means that you can't charge your device and use 
> headphones at the same time. I travel long distances for example, often with 
> flights over 12 hours long. I regularly take my Anka battery with me and 
> charge the phone while I use it to compensate for the inaccessible in-flight 
> entertainment system. It's important to me to have a full charge when I reach 
> my destination. Based on the information we have, it looks like you can 
> either listen to wired headphones or charge, not both.
> That means that every VoiceOver user who chooses a wired option appears to 
> have to choose between privacy and charge.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
> 
>> On 2/09/2016, at 4:41 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, just to be clear, I personally would be against this move, if it means 
>> that they' very large hard of hearing community can't use  hearing aids on 
>> iPhones anymore. That seems like such an incredibly stupid move on Apple's 
>> part, that I am tempted to just believe that they wouldn't do it if they 
>> didn't have a workaround that would work for people who use hearing aids. 
>> The hard of hearing community is orders of magnitude larger then the blind 
>> community. So Shirley, this adapter must be providing someway for people who 
>> use hearing aids to keep on doing so. What am I missing here? I remember 
>> sometime ago, when the idea that the headphone jack would go away first came 
>> out, Jonathan wrote a very impassioned piece on this subject, arguing that 
>> this was a very bad idea because of the use case of hearing aids. Now Apple 
>> is going to do it anyway, but they're offering an adapter. Why doesn't that 
>> solve the problem? I understand why Bluetooth is not a good alternative, 
>> given Jonathan's comments on battery drain and the well-known problem for 
>> voiceover users with latency. It's still really bad, at least on my phone 
>> with my  legend. I would not want to have to type on that system for 
>> anything more than a word or two, because the latency between when you touch 
>> a letter and when you hear it is much too long.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mary, you’re exactly right and points well stated as always.  Here’s 
>>> another point to consider, suppose we add wireless charging. Now, you could 
>>> have a brick with no ports what so ever formed from one solid piece of 
>>> material.  You could almost grow the casing and have a super durable 
>>> waterproof phone with no openings at all.  The entire surface could be a 
>>> screen.  Not needing ports is a good thing over all.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Hi Mark,
 Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the 
 disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage 
 card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if 
 the other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with 
 the new phone, as we

Re: system dialogue that won't go away

2016-09-01 Thread E.T.


   Look for the Technical support link.



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On 9/1/2016 1:43 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

What is the address for their support team?
Yes it’s a dropbox dialogue it says so when I look at the window chooser menu.

Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net


On Sep 1, 2016, at 2:58 PM, E.T.  wrote:

Stacey,
  I took a few moments to look in Dropbox preferences and did not see anything 
related to feedback. Are you absolutely certain its Dropbox? I have been using 
this app a long time and have never seen such a dialogue. Press the button and 
send them feedback about it. Or better still, contact their support team.

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On 9/1/2016 7:58 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

I don't know what to look for.


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Subject: Re: system dialogue that won't go away




Well I would open Dropbox preferences and look for that option and
disable it.

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On 9/1/2016 7:19 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

No I did not. It is coming from dropbox.

Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net


On Sep 1, 2016, at 9:10 AM, E.T.  wrote:

 Sounds like its coming from elsewhere, not Dropbox. Did you install a new app 
just prior to seeing this?

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On 9/1/2016 6:54 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

Hello,
I keep receiving a system dialogue that won't go away.
I think it's from dropbox but the only button that is labeled is send feedback.
How can I stop this dialogue from coming up? It's very annoying..
Peace,  
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Re: system dialogue that won't go away

2016-09-01 Thread Stacey Robinson

What is the address for their support team?
Yes it’s a dropbox dialogue it says so when I look at the window chooser menu.

Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

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> On Sep 1, 2016, at 2:58 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Stacey,
>   I took a few moments to look in Dropbox preferences and did not see 
> anything related to feedback. Are you absolutely certain its Dropbox? I have 
> been using this app a long time and have never seen such a dialogue. Press 
> the button and send them feedback about it. Or better still, contact their 
> support team.
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> On 9/1/2016 7:58 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>> I don't know what to look for.
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
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>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Thursday, September 1, 2016 9:26 am
>> Subject: Re: system dialogue that won't go away
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Well I would open Dropbox preferences and look for that option and
>>> disable it.
>>> 
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>>> On 9/1/2016 7:19 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
 No I did not. It is coming from dropbox.
 
 Peace, 
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
 
> On Sep 1, 2016, at 9:10 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>  Sounds like its coming from elsewhere, not Dropbox. Did you install a 
> new app just prior to seeing this?
> 
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> On 9/1/2016 6:54 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I keep receiving a system dialogue that won't go away.
>> I think it's from dropbox but the only button that is labeled is send 
>> feedback.
>> How can I stop this dialogue from coming up? It's very annoying..
>> Peace,   
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>  
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
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Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

2016-09-01 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu

Hello All.

I have read this thread very carefully and would like to suggest that we all 
wait for the facts rather than base our comments on rumours.

I go on the facts rather than rumours as I said this to someone in a different 
situation but I based my comments on what people had said rather than seeing 
the problem for myself first.

If however things don’t go according to plan, meaning that the Deafblind 
community will be affected by the next model of I phone, rather than jumping 
down Apple’s throat, one should be measured and calm and have a calm discussion 
with Apple as one can achieve much if one is calm about things.

Knowing Apple, they will have thought everything through after all, they would 
not want to disadvantage a section of the community as they would get bad press 
if let’s say the DeafBlind community could not use their new devices.  Apple 
are in some hot water about their tax problems in Europe and I don’t think 
they’d want to be in hot water about something else.

I know I sound like a Apple fan but from experience, sensible dialogue is the 
best way forward.  Just my take on the whole thing.

Thank you.

Kawal.
> On 1 Sep 2016, at 20:51, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Jonathan,
>   Perhaps you have talked to others who use hearing devices. Here is my take. 
> I use them too but why am I not in the least bothered by this? If anything, I 
> do not have plans to buy an iPhone 7 and in fact may get the 6s to replace my 
> 5 which is over 3 years old.
> 
>   Sometimes we get so caught in non issues that we lose focus of the larger 
> picture. How in the world did we survive before the iPhone let alone 
> computers?! (smiles)
> 
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> On 9/1/2016 12:07 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
>> Hi Mary, unfortunately this issue doesn't affect the Deaf community in
>> the same way as it affects blind people who wear hearing aids and
>> require decent latency. And the fact that those of us who are affected
>> are such a minority makes us more vulnerable. You can be sure I am
>> considering my legal options under legislation here.
>> A standard hearing aid wearer uses their phone actively far less than a
>> blind person who wears a hearing aid. For example, if a Bluetooth
>> solution is being used, after a standard hearing aid wearer has finished
>> their call or isn't listening to music, the technology goes into standby
>> and uses very little energy. A blind person has VO talking a lot of the
>> time if they're using their device for tasks like reading and creating
>> documents, email etc, so the impact is much greater.
>> Even if people are willing to accept an adapter jutting out of their
>> phone with its resultant potential to be lost or bent, the adapter will
>> not solve the problem entirely if it means that you can't charge your
>> device and use headphones at the same time. I travel long distances for
>> example, often with flights over 12 hours long. I regularly take my Anka
>> battery with me and charge the phone while I use it to compensate for
>> the inaccessible in-flight entertainment system. It's important to me to
>> have a full charge when I reach my destination. Based on the information
>> we have, it looks like you can either listen to wired headphones or
>> charge, not both.
>> That means that every VoiceOver user who chooses a wired option appears
>> to have to choose between privacy and charge.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org 
>> 
>>> On 2/09/2016, at 4:41 AM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, just to be clear, I personally would be against this move, if it
>>> means that they' very large hard of hearing community can't use
>>> hearing aids on iPhones anymore. That seems like such an incredibly
>>> stupid move on Apple's part, that I am tempted to just believe that
>>> they wouldn't do it if they didn't have a workaround that would work
>>> for people who use hearing aids. The hard of hearing community is
>>> orders of magnitude larger then the blind community. So Shirley, this
>>> adapter must be providing someway for people who use hearing aids to
>>> keep on doing so. What am I missing here? I remember sometime ago,
>>> when the idea that the headphone jack would go away first came out,
>>> Jonathan wrote a very impassioned piece on this subject, arguing that
>>> this was a very bad idea because of the use case of hearing aids. Now
>>> Apple is going to do it anyway, but they're offering an adapter. Why
>>> doesn't that solve the problem? I understand why Bluetooth is not a
>>> good alternative, given Jonathan's comments on battery drain and the
>>> well-known problem for voiceover users with latency. It's still really
>>> bad, at least on my phone with my  legend. I would not want to have to
>>> type on that system for anything more than a word or two, because the
>>> late

Re: system dialogue that won't go away

2016-09-01 Thread E.T.


Stacey,
   I took a few moments to look in Dropbox preferences and did not see 
anything related to feedback. Are you absolutely certain its Dropbox? I 
have been using this app a long time and have never seen such a 
dialogue. Press the button and send them feedback about it. Or better 
still, contact their support team.


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On 9/1/2016 7:58 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

I don't know what to look for.


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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 1, 2016 9:26 am
Subject: Re: system dialogue that won't go away




Well I would open Dropbox preferences and look for that option and
disable it.

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On 9/1/2016 7:19 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

No I did not. It is coming from dropbox.

Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net


On Sep 1, 2016, at 9:10 AM, E.T.  wrote:

  Sounds like its coming from elsewhere, not Dropbox. Did you install a new app 
just prior to seeing this?

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On 9/1/2016 6:54 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

Hello,
I keep receiving a system dialogue that won't go away.
I think it's from dropbox but the only button that is labeled is send feedback.
How can I stop this dialogue from coming up? It's very annoying..
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Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

2016-09-01 Thread E.T.


Jonathan,
   Perhaps you have talked to others who use hearing devices. Here is 
my take. I use them too but why am I not in the least bothered by this? 
If anything, I do not have plans to buy an iPhone 7 and in fact may get 
the 6s to replace my 5 which is over 3 years old.


   Sometimes we get so caught in non issues that we lose focus of the 
larger picture. How in the world did we survive before the iPhone let 
alone computers?! (smiles)


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On 9/1/2016 12:07 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote:

Hi Mary, unfortunately this issue doesn't affect the Deaf community in
the same way as it affects blind people who wear hearing aids and
require decent latency. And the fact that those of us who are affected
are such a minority makes us more vulnerable. You can be sure I am
considering my legal options under legislation here.
A standard hearing aid wearer uses their phone actively far less than a
blind person who wears a hearing aid. For example, if a Bluetooth
solution is being used, after a standard hearing aid wearer has finished
their call or isn't listening to music, the technology goes into standby
and uses very little energy. A blind person has VO talking a lot of the
time if they're using their device for tasks like reading and creating
documents, email etc, so the impact is much greater.
Even if people are willing to accept an adapter jutting out of their
phone with its resultant potential to be lost or bent, the adapter will
not solve the problem entirely if it means that you can't charge your
device and use headphones at the same time. I travel long distances for
example, often with flights over 12 hours long. I regularly take my Anka
battery with me and charge the phone while I use it to compensate for
the inaccessible in-flight entertainment system. It's important to me to
have a full charge when I reach my destination. Based on the information
we have, it looks like you can either listen to wired headphones or
charge, not both.
That means that every VoiceOver user who chooses a wired option appears
to have to choose between privacy and charge.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org 


On 2/09/2016, at 4:41 AM, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Well, just to be clear, I personally would be against this move, if it
means that they' very large hard of hearing community can't use
 hearing aids on iPhones anymore. That seems like such an incredibly
stupid move on Apple's part, that I am tempted to just believe that
they wouldn't do it if they didn't have a workaround that would work
for people who use hearing aids. The hard of hearing community is
orders of magnitude larger then the blind community. So Shirley, this
adapter must be providing someway for people who use hearing aids to
keep on doing so. What am I missing here? I remember sometime ago,
when the idea that the headphone jack would go away first came out,
Jonathan wrote a very impassioned piece on this subject, arguing that
this was a very bad idea because of the use case of hearing aids. Now
Apple is going to do it anyway, but they're offering an adapter. Why
doesn't that solve the problem? I understand why Bluetooth is not a
good alternative, given Jonathan's comments on battery drain and the
well-known problem for voiceover users with latency. It's still really
bad, at least on my phone with my  legend. I would not want to have to
type on that system for anything more than a word or two, because the
latency between when you touch a letter and when you hear it is much
too long.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:

Mary, you’re exactly right and points well stated as always.  Here’s
another point to consider, suppose we add wireless charging. Now, you
could have a brick with no ports what so ever formed from one solid
piece of material.  You could almost grow the casing and have a super
durable waterproof phone with no openings at all.  The entire surface
could be a screen.  Not needing ports is a good thing over all.




On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Mark,
Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the
disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the
storage card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable
battery. Also, if the other rumor is true, Apple will be including
compatible earbuds with the new phone, as well as an adapter to make
it possible for people to use other headphones. Given the prevalence
of Bluetooth these days, I suspect that the headphone jack will in
fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other device makers are already
moving in this direction. So it isn't just Apple. In fact, they will
not be the first ones to market without a headphone jack on the phone.


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 31, 2016,

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

2016-09-01 Thread Jonathan Mosen

Hi Mary, unfortunately this issue doesn't affect the Deaf community in the same 
way as it affects blind people who wear hearing aids and require decent 
latency. And the fact that those of us who are affected are such a minority 
makes us more vulnerable. You can be sure I am considering my legal options 
under legislation here.
A standard hearing aid wearer uses their phone actively far less than a blind 
person who wears a hearing aid. For example, if a Bluetooth solution is being 
used, after a standard hearing aid wearer has finished their call or isn't 
listening to music, the technology goes into standby and uses very little 
energy. A blind person has VO talking a lot of the time if they're using their 
device for tasks like reading and creating documents, email etc, so the impact 
is much greater.
Even if people are willing to accept an adapter jutting out of their phone with 
its resultant potential to be lost or bent, the adapter will not solve the 
problem entirely if it means that you can't charge your device and use 
headphones at the same time. I travel long distances for example, often with 
flights over 12 hours long. I regularly take my Anka battery with me and charge 
the phone while I use it to compensate for the inaccessible in-flight 
entertainment system. It's important to me to have a full charge when I reach 
my destination. Based on the information we have, it looks like you can either 
listen to wired headphones or charge, not both.
That means that every VoiceOver user who chooses a wired option appears to have 
to choose between privacy and charge.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

> On 2/09/2016, at 4:41 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Well, just to be clear, I personally would be against this move, if it means 
> that they' very large hard of hearing community can't use  hearing aids on 
> iPhones anymore. That seems like such an incredibly stupid move on Apple's 
> part, that I am tempted to just believe that they wouldn't do it if they 
> didn't have a workaround that would work for people who use hearing aids. The 
> hard of hearing community is orders of magnitude larger then the blind 
> community. So Shirley, this adapter must be providing someway for people who 
> use hearing aids to keep on doing so. What am I missing here? I remember 
> sometime ago, when the idea that the headphone jack would go away first came 
> out, Jonathan wrote a very impassioned piece on this subject, arguing that 
> this was a very bad idea because of the use case of hearing aids. Now Apple 
> is going to do it anyway, but they're offering an adapter. Why doesn't that 
> solve the problem? I understand why Bluetooth is not a good alternative, 
> given Jonathan's comments on battery drain and the well-known problem for 
> voiceover users with latency. It's still really bad, at least on my phone 
> with my  legend. I would not want to have to type on that system for anything 
> more than a word or two, because the latency between when you touch a letter 
> and when you hear it is much too long.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Mary, you’re exactly right and points well stated as always.  Here’s another 
>> point to consider, suppose we add wireless charging. Now, you could have a 
>> brick with no ports what so ever formed from one solid piece of material.  
>> You could almost grow the casing and have a super durable waterproof phone 
>> with no openings at all.  The entire surface could be a screen.  Not needing 
>> ports is a good thing over all.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the 
>>> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage 
>>> card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if the 
>>> other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with the 
>>> new phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to use 
>>> other headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect 
>>> that the headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other 
>>> device makers are already moving in this direction. So it isn't just Apple. 
>>> In fact, they will not be the first ones to market without a headphone jack 
>>> on the phone.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:

 Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts the 
 new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack.  

 When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing the 
 removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary memory to 
 its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the market, 
 effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other companies who ke

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

2016-09-01 Thread christopher hallsworth

Hi Mary

I have the Apple Watch Sport myself and like it a lot. Yes, watchOS 3.0 will 
have some great new accessibility features, but for now you can turn a setting 
off that wakes the screen when you raise your wrist. I have done this, and the 
watch no longer interrupts my daily living. I can dine for example and the 
watch will not go off. The setting can be found under general > wake screen.
> On 1 Sep 2016, at 17:50, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I guess I'm still with the folks who haven't really seen the utility, or at 
> least the really over whelming use case for having the watch. Perhaps the 
> next iteration will change my mind. Admittedly one reason for my reluctance 
> on this score has been the fact that I am probably one of the few people who 
> still uses a braille watch. I despise talking time devices that go off at the 
> most inopportune times, such as during a meeting at Cetera. With the new 2.0, 
> will be getting the ability to have the vibrating feedback to tell the time. 
> So that is a step in the right direction. I guess I just haven't seen the 
> killer use case yet.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:14 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> You have to get a watch to get it but I find my absolutely critical now.  
>> It’s so nice to be able to quickly flick and get the latest pop on your 
>> watch or be able to walk away from your phone and just access quick data 
>> nicely on your wrist.  For sited users, being able to glance down say while 
>> driving even or in various settings where you don’t want to break your focus 
>> for a full look at your phone.
>>   Another nice set of features are the health features.  Even a gentle tap 
>> on the wrist to just stand up and move around and stretch hourly or 
>> motivation to meet your workout goals.
>>   You can quick respond again from your wrist to messages or take a quick 
>> call.  It’s hard to explain.  Also, the Apple watch is more independent than 
>> people think.  Since version 2.1 I believe it was given WiFi functions so it 
>> can join your home network or other WiFi networks with some caveats and work 
>> independently from the phone including placing and receiving calls if your 
>> carrier supports WiFi calling which my carrier does fully.  
>>   To be clear, I was with you and then I got one as a gift and now I don’t 
>> know what I’d do with out it and I’m dead excited to see watch 2.0 next week.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2016, at 10:01 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've never really understood the point of the Apple watch, sure it can run 
>>> apps, but so what, my phone does that, and the watch requires a phone 
>>> connection to do most things anyway, totally redundant.
>>> Original message:
 Hello Mary,
>>> 
 My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an 
 active role in what the future brings.  We, as consumers, have 
 alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that 
 companies pay attention.
>>> 
 Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically ridiculous 
 decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, I'm not so 
 certain that just because it decides something it better will make it so.
>>> 
 I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it would 
 change the lives of the world.  Well, as far as I can tell, my world 
 hasn't changed one bit either with or without it.
>>> 
 As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to 
 follow Apple's lead in the coming future.  As one of the executives of 
 Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when it 
 follows."
>>> 
 My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see.  Fortunately for 
 me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest device 
 just because it is the latest.
>>> 
 Mark
>>> 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
 Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the 
 iPhone seven
>>> 
 Hi Mark,
 Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the 
 disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage 
 card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if 
 the other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with 
 the new phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to use 
 other headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect 
 that the headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other 
 device makers are already moving in this direction. So it isn't just 
 Apple. In fact, they will not be the first ones to market with

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

2016-09-01 Thread E.T.

   I know I am missing something here, Jonathan. First of all, have you 
an iPhone 7 in your hands? Are you basing your comments on the device in 
your hands? Or are you basing your comments on an uncertain future?


   If the latter, are you not being way premature in your assessments?

   I cannot tell you how many times we react so strongly to change and 
then came to our senses later and found we were after all quite 
adaptable to the changes.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/1/2016 1:28 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote:

I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a
huge negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope
the inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did
this and reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New
Zealand. I'm the only blind person there, and people are justifiably
livid about the removal of the headphone jack. Most people don't want
this, and I suspect based on what has leaked that the benefits to most
people of upgrading will be so incremental that the lack of a headphone
jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out.
That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me,
because one thing that this process has taught me since I started
blogging about the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm
at a time when it may have made a difference, is that I was naive to
think that blind people might be any more sensitive to and respectful of
the accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing impaired. I guess
I would like to think that since we know what impact inaccessibility can
have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to the needs of others,
even when the issues didn't affect us directly. But that has proven a
stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found the whole thing really
upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's everyone for themselves
these days, and if others are being thrown under the bus, well too damn bad.
As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid
wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost
all the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for
someone who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were
to improve, Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and
it's difficult to get through an entire business day of use without the
need to charge something.
And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't
then charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless,
selfish, stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This
company, which parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of
badge of honour, appears to be about to crap all over one segment of its
accessibility market.
Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And
they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, in
time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive
carefully managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C on
its iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even offer
on its own personal computers, meaning you won't be able to use the
Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's two sets of headphones
you're going to have to carry around with you, unless you don't mind
having an adapter jutting out of the port you want to charge your phone
with. Absolutely absurd.
I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking
Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has
given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more
viable for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm
really going to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by then
because there is certainly going to be a backlash.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org 


On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote:

Hello Mary,

My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an
active role in what the future brings.  We, as consumers, have
alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that
companies pay attention.

Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically
ridiculous decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts,
I'm not so certain that just because it decides something it better
will make it so.

I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it
would change the lives of the world.  Well, as far as I can tell, my
world hasn't changed one bit either with or without it.

As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to
follow Apple's lead in the coming future.  As one of the executives of
Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when
it fo

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

2016-09-01 Thread Mary Otten

I guess I'm still with the folks who haven't really seen the utility, or at 
least the really over whelming use case for having the watch. Perhaps the next 
iteration will change my mind. Admittedly one reason for my reluctance on this 
score has been the fact that I am probably one of the few people who still uses 
a braille watch. I despise talking time devices that go off at the most 
inopportune times, such as during a meeting at Cetera. With the new 2.0, will 
be getting the ability to have the vibrating feedback to tell the time. So that 
is a step in the right direction. I guess I just haven't seen the killer use 
case yet.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:14 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> You have to get a watch to get it but I find my absolutely critical now.  
> It’s so nice to be able to quickly flick and get the latest pop on your watch 
> or be able to walk away from your phone and just access quick data nicely on 
> your wrist.  For sited users, being able to glance down say while driving 
> even or in various settings where you don’t want to break your focus for a 
> full look at your phone.
>Another nice set of features are the health features.  Even a gentle tap 
> on the wrist to just stand up and move around and stretch hourly or 
> motivation to meet your workout goals.
>You can quick respond again from your wrist to messages or take a quick 
> call.  It’s hard to explain.  Also, the Apple watch is more independent than 
> people think.  Since version 2.1 I believe it was given WiFi functions so it 
> can join your home network or other WiFi networks with some caveats and work 
> independently from the phone including placing and receiving calls if your 
> carrier supports WiFi calling which my carrier does fully.  
>To be clear, I was with you and then I got one as a gift and now I don’t 
> know what I’d do with out it and I’m dead excited to see watch 2.0 next week.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2016, at 10:01 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> I've never really understood the point of the Apple watch, sure it can run 
>> apps, but so what, my phone does that, and the watch requires a phone 
>> connection to do most things anyway, totally redundant.
>> Original message:
>>> Hello Mary,
>> 
>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an 
>>> active role in what the future brings.  We, as consumers, have alternatives 
>>> and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that companies pay 
>>> attention.
>> 
>>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically ridiculous 
>>> decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, I'm not so 
>>> certain that just because it decides something it better will make it so.
>> 
>>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it would 
>>> change the lives of the world.  Well, as far as I can tell, my world hasn't 
>>> changed one bit either with or without it.
>> 
>>> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to follow 
>>> Apple's lead in the coming future.  As one of the executives of Samsung 
>>> recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when it follows."
>> 
>>> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see.  Fortunately for 
>>> me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest device 
>>> just because it is the latest.
>> 
>>> Mark
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the 
>>> iPhone seven
>> 
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the 
>>> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage 
>>> card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if the 
>>> other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with the 
>>> new phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to use 
>>> other headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect 
>>> that the headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other 
>>> device makers are already moving in this direction. So it isn't just Apple. 
>>> In fact, they will not be the first ones to market without a headphone jack 
>>> on the phone.
>> 
>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
 Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts the 
 new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack.
>> 
 When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing the 
 removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary memory to 
 its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the market, 
 effectively, rejected the devices in favor of othe

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

2016-09-01 Thread Mary Otten

Well, just to be clear, I personally would be against this move, if it means 
that they' very large hard of hearing community can't use  hearing aids on 
iPhones anymore. That seems like such an incredibly stupid move on Apple's 
part, that I am tempted to just believe that they wouldn't do it if they didn't 
have a workaround that would work for people who use hearing aids. The hard of 
hearing community is orders of magnitude larger then the blind community. So 
Shirley, this adapter must be providing someway for people who use hearing aids 
to keep on doing so. What am I missing here? I remember sometime ago, when the 
idea that the headphone jack would go away first came out, Jonathan wrote a 
very impassioned piece on this subject, arguing that this was a very bad idea 
because of the use case of hearing aids. Now Apple is going to do it anyway, 
but they're offering an adapter. Why doesn't that solve the problem? I 
understand why Bluetooth is not a good alternative, given Jonathan's comments 
on battery drain and the well-known problem for voiceover users with latency. 
It's still really bad, at least on my phone with my Plantronics legend. I would 
not want to have to type on that system for anything more than a word or two, 
because the latency between when you touch a letter and when you hear it is 
much too long.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Mary, you’re exactly right and points well stated as always.  Here’s another 
> point to consider, suppose we add wireless charging. Now, you could have a 
> brick with no ports what so ever formed from one solid piece of material.  
> You could almost grow the casing and have a super durable waterproof phone 
> with no openings at all.  The entire surface could be a screen.  Not needing 
> ports is a good thing over all.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the 
>> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage 
>> card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if the 
>> other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with the new 
>> phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to use other 
>> headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect that the 
>> headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other device 
>> makers are already moving in this direction. So it isn't just Apple. In 
>> fact, they will not be the first ones to market without a headphone jack on 
>> the phone.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts the 
>>> new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack.  
>>> 
>>> When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing the 
>>> removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary memory to 
>>> its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the market, 
>>> effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other companies who kept 
>>> those features.
>>> 
>>> A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for iOS 
>>> devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC users upon 
>>> attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace went crazy and vowed 
>>> to turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing people to use iTunes in 
>>> order to manage photos.  
>>> 
>>> Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by restoring this feature 
>>> in the subsequent release of iTunes.  
>>> 
>>> So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a complete hit, something tells 
>>> me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack back (smile).  
>>> 
>>> Mark 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:43 AM
>>> To: MacVisionaries E-Mail List
>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the 
>>> iPhone seven
>>> 
>>> When all the “hubbub” concerning Apple removing the earphone jack first 
>>> appeared I was certain they (Apple) was going to provide an adapter so 
>>> potential customers would be able to use their existing earphones with the 
>>> iPhone 7. This coming to light does not surprise me in the least.
>>> 
>>> - Bill & Leader Dog Holland
>>> - "The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure 
>>> they are going to have some pretty  annoying virtues."
>>> - Elizabeth Taylor, 20th Century Screen Actress, (1932-2011)--
>>> 
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Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

2016-09-01 Thread Scott Granados

Mary, you’re exactly right and points well stated as always.  Here’s another 
point to consider, suppose we add wireless charging. Now, you could have a 
brick with no ports what so ever formed from one solid piece of material.  You 
could almost grow the casing and have a super durable waterproof phone with no 
openings at all.  The entire surface could be a screen.  Not needing ports is a 
good thing over all.



> On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the 
> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage card 
> thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if the other 
> rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with the new phone, 
> as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to use other headphones. 
> Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect that the headphone 
> jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other device makers are 
> already moving in this direction. So it isn't just Apple. In fact, they will 
> not be the first ones to market without a headphone jack on the phone.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts the 
>> new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack.  
>> 
>> When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing the 
>> removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary memory to 
>> its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the market, 
>> effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other companies who kept those 
>> features.
>> 
>> A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for iOS 
>> devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC users upon 
>> attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace went crazy and vowed 
>> to turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing people to use iTunes in 
>> order to manage photos.  
>> 
>> Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by restoring this feature in 
>> the subsequent release of iTunes.  
>> 
>> So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a complete hit, something tells 
>> me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack back (smile).  
>> 
>> Mark 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:43 AM
>> To: MacVisionaries E-Mail List
>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the 
>> iPhone seven
>> 
>> When all the “hubbub” concerning Apple removing the earphone jack first 
>> appeared I was certain they (Apple) was going to provide an adapter so 
>> potential customers would be able to use their existing earphones with the 
>> iPhone 7. This coming to light does not surprise me in the least.
>> 
>> - Bill & Leader Dog Holland
>> - "The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure 
>> they are going to have some pretty  annoying virtues."
>> - Elizabeth Taylor, 20th Century Screen Actress, (1932-2011)--
>> 
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Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

2016-09-01 Thread Scott Granados

Mark, I think you need to expand your horizons a little, that’s the second time 
I’ve used that one today.:)

The watch is changing the world more than you think.

I’d  like to beam you back with Mr. Peabody and his pet Boy for a second to 
2007 when a little device came out called an iPhone.  At that point it was an 
iPod with a phone attached.  Nobody really knew what to do with it or even why 
you’d want one.  Smart phones were catching on but only for heavy tech types or 
specific users.  Now look, 80% of all phones in use in San Francisco right now 
are iPhones.  Apple’s shares are still increasing in market and the prophets 
per unit are much higher than Google and what they are doing.
Back to the watch.  Let me tell you a little fun fact, as someone who 
is a high end watch collector as well, Rolex sales are off 21% year over year.  
Patek Philip is seeing a 35% reduction in sales.  Many high end watch makers 
have had to buy back inventory from their retailers and why, is it because of 
an economic slowdown, no, it’s because of the impact of smart watches of which 
Apple represents 72% of the total market. It’s no longer trendy to wear your 
Rolex day-date when you should be showing off your tech and wearing your Steel 
Apple watch or your sports model at the Jim.  Fitbit and Pebble are also in 
this space and part of the trend by Apple in one year has become the dominant 
player.  While we don’t see the watch broken out as a finance item I’ve heard a 
number of 5 billion in sales during some quarters which is a nice start.  I 
think we’ll need to check in say in 2025 like we did 10 years later on our 
iPhone discussion and see where we are with the watch.  Right now it’s not on a 
bad trajectory 

On Sep 1, 2016, at 2:15 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Mary,
> 
> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an active 
> role in what the future brings.  We, as consumers, have alternatives and it's 
> when we begin to explore these alternatives that companies pay attention.  
> 
> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically ridiculous 
> decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, I'm not so 
> certain that just because it decides something it better will make it so.
> 
> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it would 
> change the lives of the world.  Well, as far as I can tell, my world hasn't 
> changed one bit either with or without it.  
> 
> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to follow 
> Apple's lead in the coming future.  As one of the executives of Samsung 
> recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when it follows." 
> 
> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see.  Fortunately for me, 
> I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest device just 
> because it is the latest.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the 
> iPhone seven
> 
> Hi Mark,
> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the 
> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage card 
> thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if the other 
> rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with the new phone, 
> as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to use other headphones. 
> Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect that the headphone 
> jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other device makers are 
> already moving in this direction. So it isn't just Apple. In fact, they will 
> not be the first ones to market without a headphone jack on the phone.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts the 
>> new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack.  
>> 
>> When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing the 
>> removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary memory to 
>> its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the market, 
>> effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other companies who kept those 
>> features.
>> 
>> A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for iOS 
>> devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC users upon 
>> attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace went crazy and vowed 
>> to turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing people to use iTunes in 
>> order to manage photos.  
>> 
>> Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by restoring this feature in 
>> the subsequent release of iTunes.  
>> 
>> So, I'll just wait and see for, unless

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

2016-09-01 Thread Scott Granados

I absolutely disagree with you and I’m sorry, phones can’t be designed for the 
lowest common denominator.  It would be a valid concern if an adapter didn’t 
exist and you as a hearing aid user were cut out then I would agree and protest 
loudly with you but since a very small adapter exists it makes no difference to 
your day or anyone else and the upsides are to great for the world to be dumbed 
down for your single use case.

Again, having the adapter and including said adapter is the key here.  Also, 
there is nothing saying that this adapter couldn’t have a pass through attached 
and allow you to wire up your cans or hearing aids at the same time you wire up 
house power.  Your railing against a problem that doesn’t exist.  Would you 
have bellyached as loud in the late 1970S because the 1/8th inch stereo jack 
was released and the larger phono quarter inch type adapter was superseded.  
Likely at that time it required deaf users to use similar adapter changes.  And 
on and on and on and on.  With your logic we’d still be listening to round 
tubes and watching movies on strips of film.  The world changes and the good 
that can come from these changes including by the way putting active signal 
processing in the data stream now in your headsets instead of having to do an 
extra d/a conversion like is done now in some headsets.  You can even do custom 
ear acoustic modeling to help with specific conditions.  SO let’s ratchet down 
the rhetoric a little, see what apple has to offer and then move on just like 
we did with the 3.5 inch disk, the lightning cable, the Mac and everything else 
Apple has changed over the years.

Aaah, I can’t load my old 8 inch floppies from a Fairlight CMI series II on my 
brand new Mac, Apple should be hung out to dry and where’s my damn cassette 
slot?

I like your content Jonathan but in this particular case you’re on the moon.  
And insulting the blind community isn’t the way to go either and that’s saying 
something when insulting people is usually my go to move.:)  In this case a 
small adapter with a pass through is available, nobody is cutting you off from 
your hearing aids just use the adapter.  If there was no adapter and you were 
really being cut off I’d be at the head of the line with you complaining to 
anyone who would listen.  Tell me why I’m wrong, I’m always willing to have my 
horizons expanded but I just don’t see it.

That’s it, I’m starting a new movement and getting federal grants,  Headphone 
Jacks Matter!

> On Sep 1, 2016, at 4:28 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge 
> negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope the 
> inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this and 
> reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New Zealand. I'm 
> the only blind person there, and people are justifiably livid about the 
> removal of the headphone jack. Most people don't want this, and I suspect 
> based on what has leaked that the benefits to most people of upgrading will 
> be so incremental that the lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of 
> people to sit it out.
> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, because 
> one thing that this process has taught me since I started blogging about the 
> possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm at a time when it may 
> have made a difference, is that I was naive to think that blind people might 
> be any more sensitive to and respectful of the accessibility needs of others, 
> such as the hearing impaired. I guess I would like to think that since we 
> know what impact inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be 
> sensitive to the needs of others, even when the issues didn't affect us 
> directly. But that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found 
> the whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's 
> everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being thrown under the 
> bus, well too damn bad.
> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid 
> wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost all 
> the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for someone 
> who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were to improve, 
> Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and it's difficult 
> to get through an entire business day of use without the need to charge 
> something.
> And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't then 
> charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, selfish, 
> stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This company, which 
> parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of badge of honour, 
> appears to be about to crap all over one segment of its accessibility market.
> Something isn't automatically the future because

Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

2016-09-01 Thread Scott Granados

You don’t, use bluetooth, bluetooth 4.0 and above sounds very good and there’s 
no need for any bits.

> On Sep 1, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Kimber Gardner  wrote:
> 
> You're sort of missing the point, I think. The point being that most
> people (me included) don't think they should have to carry extra bits
> around to do something as basic as plug in a set of earphones.
> 
> On 9/1/16, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>> Hi. I use Bluetooth stereo headphones so this new revelation doesn’t effect
>> me. I wouldn’t even carry an adaptor around with me because I’m not one for
>> carrying extra bits around just to accomplish a simple task like wanting to
>> plug your headphones in.
>>> On 31 Aug 2016, at 13:29, Michael Marshall 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hey all,
>>> I know there have been many leaks of supposed schematics and things on the
>>> new iPhone seven and if or not it will have a 3.5mm jack.
>>> The latest leak I believe has credence.
>>> In the box with the iPhone seven, you will get a lightning to 3.5 mm
>>> adapter witch is what i guessed apple would do if they did take the jack
>>> from the phone.
>>> If this is indeed the case I am quite satisfied because at least they have
>>> made an adapter readily available.
>>> 
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Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

2016-09-01 Thread Scott Granados

You have to get a watch to get it but I find my absolutely critical now.  It’s 
so nice to be able to quickly flick and get the latest pop on your watch or be 
able to walk away from your phone and just access quick data nicely on your 
wrist.  For sited users, being able to glance down say while driving even or in 
various settings where you don’t want to break your focus for a full look at 
your phone.
Another nice set of features are the health features.  Even a gentle 
tap on the wrist to just stand up and move around and stretch hourly or 
motivation to meet your workout goals.
You can quick respond again from your wrist to messages or take a quick 
call.  It’s hard to explain.  Also, the Apple watch is more independent than 
people think.  Since version 2.1 I believe it was given WiFi functions so it 
can join your home network or other WiFi networks with some caveats and work 
independently from the phone including placing and receiving calls if your 
carrier supports WiFi calling which my carrier does fully.  
To be clear, I was with you and then I got one as a gift and now I 
don’t know what I’d do with out it and I’m dead excited to see watch 2.0 next 
week.



> On Sep 1, 2016, at 10:01 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> I've never really understood the point of the Apple watch, sure it can run 
> apps, but so what, my phone does that, and the watch requires a phone 
> connection to do most things anyway, totally redundant.
> Original message:
>> Hello Mary,
> 
>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an 
>> active role in what the future brings.  We, as consumers, have alternatives 
>> and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that companies pay 
>> attention.
> 
>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically ridiculous 
>> decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, I'm not so 
>> certain that just because it decides something it better will make it so.
> 
>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it would 
>> change the lives of the world.  Well, as far as I can tell, my world hasn't 
>> changed one bit either with or without it.
> 
>> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to follow 
>> Apple's lead in the coming future.  As one of the executives of Samsung 
>> recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when it follows."
> 
>> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see.  Fortunately for 
>> me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest device 
>> just because it is the latest.
> 
>> Mark
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the 
>> iPhone seven
> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the 
>> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage 
>> card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if the 
>> other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with the new 
>> phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to use other 
>> headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect that the 
>> headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other device 
>> makers are already moving in this direction. So it isn't just Apple. In 
>> fact, they will not be the first ones to market without a headphone jack on 
>> the phone.
> 
> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
>>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts the 
>>> new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack.
> 
>>> When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing the 
>>> removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary memory to 
>>> its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the market, 
>>> effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other companies who kept 
>>> those features.
> 
>>> A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for iOS 
>>> devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC users upon 
>>> attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace went crazy and vowed 
>>> to turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing people to use iTunes in 
>>> order to manage photos.
> 
>>> Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by restoring this feature 
>>> in the subsequent release of iTunes.
> 
>>> So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a complete hit, something tells 
>>> me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack back (smile).
> 
>>> Mark
> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik
>>

Re: system dialogue that won't go away

2016-09-01 Thread E.T.


   You will when you browse preferences.

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On 9/1/2016 7:58 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

I don't know what to look for.


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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 1, 2016 9:26 am
Subject: Re: system dialogue that won't go away




Well I would open Dropbox preferences and look for that option and
disable it.

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On 9/1/2016 7:19 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

No I did not. It is coming from dropbox.

Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net


On Sep 1, 2016, at 9:10 AM, E.T.  wrote:

  Sounds like its coming from elsewhere, not Dropbox. Did you install a new app 
just prior to seeing this?

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On 9/1/2016 6:54 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

Hello,
I keep receiving a system dialogue that won't go away.
I think it's from dropbox but the only button that is labeled is send feedback.
How can I stop this dialogue from coming up? It's very annoying..
Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

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Re: system dialogue that won't go away

2016-09-01 Thread Scott Granados

You know, I find a 10 pound sledge very effective at getting rid of dialog 
boxes.  ;)

> On Sep 1, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> First, you must verify that it is dropbox that is creating the offending 
> Windows. There is a quit item in the drop box menu extra menu. Quit dropbox 
> and see if the window goes away. If so then use the bo comnamd to get a 
> screen shot of the vo cursor and work with dropbox to resolve   
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I keep receiving a system dialogue that won’t go away.
>> I think it’s from dropbox but the only button that is labeled is send 
>> feedback.
>> How can I stop this dialogue from coming up? It’s very annoying.
>> Peace,
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>> 
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
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Re: system dialogue that won't go away

2016-09-01 Thread Stacey Robinson

I don't know what to look for.


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Subject: Re: system dialogue that won't go away

>
>
> Well I would open Dropbox preferences and look for that option and 
> disable it.
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> On 9/1/2016 7:19 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
> > No I did not. It is coming from dropbox.
> >
> > Peace,  
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> >>> I think it's from dropbox but the only button that is labeled is send 
> >>> feedback.
> >>> How can I stop this dialogue from coming up? It's very annoying..
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Re: system dialogue that won't go away

2016-09-01 Thread Stacey Robinson

Jonathan,
How do I take a screen shot with vo?


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> First, you must verify that it is dropbox that is creating the offending 
> Windows. There is a quit item in the drop box menu extra menu. Quit dropbox 
> and see if the window goes away. If so then use the bo comnamd to get a 
> screen shot of the vo cursor and work with dropbox to resolve   
> 
> Best wishes,
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Re: system dialogue that won't go away

2016-09-01 Thread Jonathan C. Cohn

First, you must verify that it is dropbox that is creating the offending 
Windows. There is a quit item in the drop box menu extra menu. Quit dropbox and 
see if the window goes away. If so then use the bo comnamd to get a screen shot 
of the vo cursor and work with dropbox to resolve   

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 

> On Sep 1, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
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> I think it’s from dropbox but the only button that is labeled is send 
> feedback.
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> Peace,
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Re: system dialogue that won't go away

2016-09-01 Thread E.T.

   Well I would open Dropbox preferences and look for that option and 
disable it.


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On 9/1/2016 7:19 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

No I did not. It is coming from dropbox.

Peace,  
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mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net


On Sep 1, 2016, at 9:10 AM, E.T.  wrote:

  Sounds like its coming from elsewhere, not Dropbox. Did you install a new app 
just prior to seeing this?

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Hello,
I keep receiving a system dialogue that won’t go away.
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How can I stop this dialogue from coming up? It’s very annoying.
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Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

2016-09-01 Thread Mike Arrigo

I'm curious where you think Android accessibility is lacking, talkback 
has all of the major voice over features and you can accomplish all of 
the same tasks, it took Google a bit longer to get there than Apple 
did, but I would say both platforms are equal as far as accessibility, 
at least when it comes to using speech. Braille displays may be a 
different story.

Original message:
I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a 
huge negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to 
hope the inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they 
did this and reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here 
in New Zealand. I'm the only blind person there, and people are 
justifiably livid about the removal of the headphone jack. Most people 
don't want this, and I suspect based on what has leaked that the 
benefits to most people of upgrading will be so incremental that the 
lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out.
That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, 
because one thing that this process has taught me since I started 
blogging about the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm 
at a time when it may have made a difference, is that I was naive to 
think that blind people might be any more sensitive to and respectful 
of the accessibility needs of others, such as the hearing impaired. I 
guess I would like to think that since we know what impact 
inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to the 
needs of others, even when the issues didn't affect us directly. But 
that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found the 
whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's 
everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being thrown 
under the bus, well too damn bad.
As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid 
wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost 
all the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for 
someone who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were 
to improve, Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way 
and it's difficult to get through an entire business day of use without 
the need to charge something.
And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't 
then charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, 
selfish, stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This 
company, which parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of 
badge of honour, appears to be about to crap all over one segment of 
its accessibility market.
Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And 
they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, 
in time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive 
carefully managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C 
on its iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even 
offer on its own personal computers, meaning you won't be able to use 
the Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's two sets of 
headphones you're going to have to carry around with you, unless you 
don't mind having an adapter jutting out of the port you want to charge 
your phone with. Absolutely absurd.
I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking 
Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has 
given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more 
viable for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm 
really going to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by then 
because there is certainly going to be a backlash.

Jonathan Mosen
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Hello Mary,


My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an 
active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have 
alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that 
companies pay attention.


Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically 
ridiculous decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, 
I'm not so certain that just because it decides something it better 
will make it so.


I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it 
would change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my 
world hasn't changed one bit either with or without it.


As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to 
follow Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives of 
Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when 
it follows."


My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. Fortunately 
for me, I no longer have the desire to run out and

Re: system dialogue that won't go away

2016-09-01 Thread Stacey Robinson

No I did not. It is coming from dropbox.

Peace,  
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mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

> On Sep 1, 2016, at 9:10 AM, E.T.  wrote:
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>> Hello,
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>> I think it’s from dropbox but the only button that is labeled is send 
>> feedback.
>> How can I stop this dialogue from coming up? It’s very annoying.
>> Peace,   
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Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

2016-09-01 Thread E.T.

   Adding one tiny bit of gear to carry around is going to be a giant 
issue? Good grief. I wonder how much impact that will have on me when I 
lug around 15-20 pounds of gear on a regular basis. This little adapter 
just might be the straw that breaks my back. (smiles)


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On 9/1/2016 6:08 AM, Kimber Gardner wrote:

You're sort of missing the point, I think. The point being that most
people (me included) don't think they should have to carry extra bits
around to do something as basic as plug in a set of earphones.

On 9/1/16, Saqib Hussain  wrote:

Hi. I use Bluetooth stereo headphones so this new revelation doesn’t effect
me. I wouldn’t even carry an adaptor around with me because I’m not one for
carrying extra bits around just to accomplish a simple task like wanting to
plug your headphones in.

On 31 Aug 2016, at 13:29, Michael Marshall 
wrote:

hey all,
I know there have been many leaks of supposed schematics and things on the
new iPhone seven and if or not it will have a 3.5mm jack.
The latest leak I believe has credence.
In the box with the iPhone seven, you will get a lightning to 3.5 mm
adapter witch is what i guessed apple would do if they did take the jack
from the phone.
If this is indeed the case I am quite satisfied because at least they have
made an adapter readily available.

Michael

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Re: system dialogue that won't go away

2016-09-01 Thread E.T.

   Sounds like its coming from elsewhere, not Dropbox. Did you install 
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Hello,
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I think it’s from dropbox but the only button that is labeled is send feedback.
How can I stop this dialogue from coming up? It’s very annoying.
Peace,  
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Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

2016-09-01 Thread Mike Arrigo

I've never really understood the point of the Apple watch, sure it can 
run apps, but so what, my phone does that, and the watch requires a 
phone connection to do most things anyway, totally redundant.

Original message:

Hello Mary,


My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an 
active role in what the future brings.  We, as consumers, have 
alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that 
companies pay attention.


Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically 
ridiculous decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, 
I'm not so certain that just because it decides something it better 
will make it so.


I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it 
would change the lives of the world.  Well, as far as I can tell, my 
world hasn't changed one bit either with or without it.


As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to 
follow Apple's lead in the coming future.  As one of the executives of 
Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when 
it follows."


My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see.  Fortunately 
for me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest 
device just because it is the latest.



Mark



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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on 
the iPhone seven



Hi Mark,
Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the 
disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the 
storage card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. 
Also, if the other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible 
earbuds with the new phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible 
for people to use other headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth 
these days, I suspect that the headphone jack will in fact be gone from 
iPhones forever. Other device makers are already moving in this 
direction. So it isn't just Apple. In fact, they will not be the first 
ones to market without a headphone jack on the phone.




Sent from my iPhone



On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:


Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts 
the new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack.


When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing the 
removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary memory 
to its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the market, 
effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other companies who kept 
those features.


A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for iOS 
devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC users 
upon attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace went crazy 
and vowed to turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing people to use 
iTunes in order to manage photos.


Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by restoring this 
feature in the subsequent release of iTunes.


So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a complete hit, something 
tells me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack back (smile).



Mark



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the iPhone seven


When all the “hubbub” concerning Apple removing the earphone jack first 
appeared I was certain they (Apple) was going to provide an adapter so 
potential customers would be able to use their existing earphones with 
the iPhone 7. This coming to light does not surprise me in the least.


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2016-09-01 Thread Stacey Robinson

Hello,
I keep receiving a system dialogue that won’t go away.
I think it’s from dropbox but the only button that is labeled is send feedback.
How can I stop this dialogue from coming up? It’s very annoying.
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Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

2016-09-01 Thread Kimber Gardner

You're sort of missing the point, I think. The point being that most
people (me included) don't think they should have to carry extra bits
around to do something as basic as plug in a set of earphones.

On 9/1/16, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
> Hi. I use Bluetooth stereo headphones so this new revelation doesn’t effect
> me. I wouldn’t even carry an adaptor around with me because I’m not one for
> carrying extra bits around just to accomplish a simple task like wanting to
> plug your headphones in.
>> On 31 Aug 2016, at 13:29, Michael Marshall 
>> wrote:
>>
>> hey all,
>> I know there have been many leaks of supposed schematics and things on the
>> new iPhone seven and if or not it will have a 3.5mm jack.
>> The latest leak I believe has credence.
>> In the box with the iPhone seven, you will get a lightning to 3.5 mm
>> adapter witch is what i guessed apple would do if they did take the jack
>> from the phone.
>> If this is indeed the case I am quite satisfied because at least they have
>> made an adapter readily available.
>>
>> Michael
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RE: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

2016-09-01 Thread Robin

I Agree
With YourAssessment

TimeWillTell

If TheRemoval of the iPhone's HeadSet Jack deters Users from PurchasingIt

Exluding the Normal AppleFan

Meaning WhetherOrNot Sales Pummet RatherQuickly
At 11:15 PM 8/31/2016, you wrote:

Hello Mary,

My point is simply that, unlike the era of 
Jobbs, the market, plays an active role in what 
the future brings.  We, as consumers, have 
alternatives and it's when we begin to explore 
these alternatives that companies pay attention.

Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and 
its politically ridiculous decision to 
unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, 
I'm not so certain that just because it decides 
something it better will make it so.

I remember the fan fair Apple made about its 
watch--they thought it would change the lives of 
the world.  Well, as far as I can tell, my world 
hasn't changed one bit either with or without it.

As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think 
they'll be so quick to follow Apple's lead in 
the coming future.  As one of the executives of 
Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best 
when it leads, not when it follows."

My personal position is to just sit back, wait, 
and see.  Fortunately for me, I no longer have 
the desire to run out and purchase the latest 
device just because it is the latest.

Mark

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 
3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

Hi Mark,
Of course, only time will tell. But I think you 
are wrong about the disappearing headphone jack. 
For one thing, Samsung put back the storage card 
thing, but did not put back the user replaceable 
battery. Also, if the other rumor is true, Apple 
will be including compatible earbuds with the 
new phone, as well as an adapter to make it 
possible for people to use other headphones. 
Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I 
suspect that the headphone jack will in fact be 
gone from iPhones forever. Other device makers 
are already moving in this direction. So it 
isn't just Apple. In fact, they will not be the 
first ones to market without a headphone jack on the phone.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>
> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and 
see how the market accepts the new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack.

>
> When Samsung attempted to make its devices 
thinner by (1) removing the removable battery 
and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary 
memory to its flagship phones, it soon reversed 
its decision as the market, effectively, 
rejected the devices in favor of other companies who kept those features.

>
> A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to 
remove the ability for iOS devices to have 
their photo content immediately available to PC 
users upon attaching the device to the 
computer, the marketplace went crazy and vowed 
to turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing 
people to use iTunes in order to manage photos.

>
> Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed 
itself by restoring this feature in the subsequent release of iTunes.

>
> So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a 
complete hit, something tells me that iPhone 8 
will bring the jack back (smile).

>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik

> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:43 AM
> To: MacVisionaries E-Mail List
> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours 
regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

>
> When all the â€œhubbubâ€  concerning Apple 
removing the earphone jack first appeared I was 
certain they (Apple) was going to provide an 
adapter so potential customers would be able to 
use their existing earphones with the iPhone 7. 
This coming to light does not surprise me in the least.

> 
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Re: Sending messages with Apple Watch.

2016-09-01 Thread Jenny Wood

Hi there.  Yep, it’s a “real thing.” :-)  I discovered it by accident one day, 
when I had become frustrated because I couldn’t find a “send” button in which 
to send my text.  There was a “don’t send” button, but nothing that seemed 
obvious to actually send it.  So thinking I would just close the text and send 
it from my phone instead, I pressed the Crown button, like I usually do to 
close out of stuff, and what do you know…it sent. LOL  I have been doing it 
that way ever since.  

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> On Sep 1, 2016, at 2:46 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jenny,
>  
> Is that for real?
> If your sending a message you can press the digital crown in and the message 
> will send?
>  
> I’ve always just tapped the send button on the screan although with some 
> issues at different times.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jenny Wood
> Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2016 9:33 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Sending messages with Apple Watch.
>  
> Hi,
>  
> This tripped me up in the beginning, too.  When you have the message up with 
> the “Don’t Send” button, all you need to do is press the Crown button on the 
> side of the watch, and that will send your message.  You should even hear the 
> “swoosh” when the message sends.
>  
> --
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> Email: kc5...@gmail.com 
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>  
>  
>  
> 
>  
> On Aug 30, 2016, at 3:38 PM, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
>  
> Hi!
> I don’t get the send message feature to work on my Apple Watch.
> When the text is dictated i have a message on the apple watch saying that i 
> send this message.
> Then comes the message and then a don’t send button.
> Where is the send button?
> Doesn’t it work without bluetooth?
> Thanks.
> /A
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Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

2016-09-01 Thread Saqib Hussain

Hi. I use Bluetooth stereo headphones so this new revelation doesn’t effect me. 
I wouldn’t even carry an adaptor around with me because I’m not one for 
carrying extra bits around just to accomplish a simple task like wanting to 
plug your headphones in.  
> On 31 Aug 2016, at 13:29, Michael Marshall  wrote:
> 
> hey all,
> I know there have been many leaks of supposed schematics and things on the 
> new iPhone seven and if or not it will have a 3.5mm jack.
> The latest leak I believe has credence.
> In the box with the iPhone seven, you will get a lightning to 3.5 mm adapter 
> witch is what i guessed apple would do if they did take the jack from the 
> phone.
> If this is indeed the case I am quite satisfied because at least they have 
> made an adapter readily available.
> 
> Michael
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Re: Moving by page in Text Edit/Pages/etc?

2016-09-01 Thread Jonathan Cohn

Thanks! Now I have to think about what would be optimal.


Best wishes,

Jonathan



> On Aug 31, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Barry Hadder  wrote:
> 
> Jonathan,
> 
> You might find this link helpful in regards to keybindings.
> https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/EventOverview/TextDefaultsBindings/TextDefaultsBindings.html
>  
> 
> On Aug 30, 2016, at 10:18, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Note on the rest of this message, in several places below Alex speaks "the 
> fifth" where I typed a Vee character. 
> 
> I was thinking about this, and realized that the standard editor 
> functionality of MacOS will simulate Emacs keystrokes. 
> 
> What this means is that control-V moves down a page, and meta-V as defined in 
> standard emacs moves up a page. I was able to get the control-V to work I 
> believe, but either I am forgetting my emacs commands after several years of 
> non-use or something else is going on. 
> 
> Does anybody remember where the definition file for this is? This is code 
> that MacOs inherited from the NeXT systems.  I expect that there is a "vi 
> mode still around somewhere and for those of that persuasion wouldn't it be 
> nice to have VI commands in textedit and mail composition?
> 
> Best Wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn   
> 
> On 26 August 2016 at 07:01, Alex Hall  > wrote:
> Thanks. Interacting was one step I was missing, as I never interact with text 
> unless I need vo-a to track my position. I also never knew what wrap to 
> page/window in Text Edit do. Are they visual changes only, or is there 
> something they do that is helpful to VO users aside from allowing page-level 
> movements? For instance, does 'wrap to page' show what your document would 
> look like, and where page breaks would be, when printed out on paper?
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 09:22, Anne Robertson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Alex,
>> 
>> In TextEdit, you need to adjust the window to the page for VO-Page Down to 
>> work. The command to change this is Cmd-Shift-w.
>> 
>> In Pages and in TextEdit, you have to be interacting with the text area for 
>> the Page Down command to work.
>> 
>> The Page Down key only has a visual effect, so it’s actually useless for us.
>> 
>> The VO-Page Down command works for me in both Pages and TextEdit, but not in 
>> Preview.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 25 Aug 2016, at 13:20, Alex Hall >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I'm not normally in need of a way to move by page, but I find myself 
>>> suddenly trying to figure it out now. VO's help reports that the command is 
>>> vo-pageDown, but that doesn't seem to do anything. I'm also wondering if 
>>> there's a macOS way, much like vo-right moves by word but you should use 
>>> option-right instead. I'm aware of how to make the page up/down keys on the 
>>> Mac, I just don't know what to pair them with to get them to actually move 
>>> the cursor by page. Thanks in advance.
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>>> mehg...@icloud.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

2016-09-01 Thread Jonathan Mosen

I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge 
negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope the 
inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this and 
reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New Zealand. I'm 
the only blind person there, and people are justifiably livid about the removal 
of the headphone jack. Most people don't want this, and I suspect based on what 
has leaked that the benefits to most people of upgrading will be so incremental 
that the lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of people to sit it out.
That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, because one 
thing that this process has taught me since I started blogging about the 
possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm at a time when it may have 
made a difference, is that I was naive to think that blind people might be any 
more sensitive to and respectful of the accessibility needs of others, such as 
the hearing impaired. I guess I would like to think that since we know what 
impact inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we would be sensitive to the 
needs of others, even when the issues didn't affect us directly. But that has 
proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and I've found the whole thing really 
upsetting. For the most part, it seems like it's everyone for themselves these 
days, and if others are being thrown under the bus, well too damn bad.
As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid wearer, 
i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost all the time I 
use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for someone who moves 
through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were to improve, Bluetooth 
drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and it's difficult to get 
through an entire business day of use without the need to charge something.
And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't then 
charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, selfish, 
stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This company, which parades 
their accessibility efforts like some sort of badge of honour, appears to be 
about to crap all over one segment of its accessibility market.
Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And they're 
going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, in time, a 
USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive carefully managed 
industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C on its iDevices. It's using 
a proprietary port that it doesn't even offer on its own personal computers, 
meaning you won't be able to use the Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. 
That's two sets of headphones you're going to have to carry around with you, 
unless you don't mind having an adapter jutting out of the port you want to 
charge your phone with. Absolutely absurd.
I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking Apple 
over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has given them a 
great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more viable for daily use. 
Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm really going to be stuck. 
Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by then because there is certainly going 
to be a backlash.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
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> On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Mary,
> 
> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an active 
> role in what the future brings.  We, as consumers, have alternatives and it's 
> when we begin to explore these alternatives that companies pay attention.  
> 
> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically ridiculous 
> decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, I'm not so 
> certain that just because it decides something it better will make it so.
> 
> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it would 
> change the lives of the world.  Well, as far as I can tell, my world hasn't 
> changed one bit either with or without it.  
> 
> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to follow 
> Apple's lead in the coming future.  As one of the executives of Samsung 
> recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when it follows." 
> 
> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see.  Fortunately for me, 
> I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest device just 
> because it is the latest.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the 
> iPhone seven
> 
> Hi Mark,

RE: Apple to Release New MacBook Pro and Air as Early as October, AMD iMacs and 5K Display With LG Also in Works - Mac Rumors

2016-09-01 Thread Simon Fogarty

So where are you seeing the info on these new devices?

I’m interested in a new MB either an air or a pro just so long as it’s light 
powerfull and small.

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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2016 4:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple to Release New MacBook Pro and Air as Early as October, AMD 
iMacs and 5K Display With LG Also in Works - Mac Rumors

These do look interesting.  I’m not sure about the function bar but I’d give it 
a shot.

The only complaint I have about my MacBook pro now is the model I 
have is a little heavy / bulky and it gets a little hot when under load so if 
they could make it a little lighter / thinner that would be good.

On Aug 31, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Barry Hadder 
mailto:bhad...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Looks like new Macs are on the way and I'm sure they will be thinner than ever. 
 :)
It's been a while since the last refresh.
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/08/29/new-macbook-pro-air-oct-amd-imacs-5k-display-lg/

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RE: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone seven

2016-09-01 Thread Simon Fogarty

I just want someone to buy my 6sPlus,

 Then I can get the 7 or what ever it will be called.

 Although I might just splash out and by myself a birthday present like I did 
last year,

A new watch and phone.

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2016 4:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the iPhone 
seven

Me either, this is why I could never understand everyone getting their panties 
in a bunch.  As long as there was an adapter who cares who format they go to.  
The upsides are far more than any downside.  A super durable phone sounds good 
to me as an example of an upside.


> On Aug 31, 2016, at 9:46 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   That was always the most common sense approach. Never doubted that Apple 
> would do this.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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> On 8/31/2016 5:29 AM, Michael Marshall wrote:
>> hey all,
>> I know there have been many leaks of supposed schematics and things on the 
>> new iPhone seven and if or not it will have a 3.5mm jack.
>> The latest leak I believe has credence.
>> In the box with the iPhone seven, you will get a lightning to 3.5 mm adapter 
>> witch is what i guessed apple would do if they did take the jack from the 
>> phone.
>> If this is indeed the case I am quite satisfied because at least they have 
>> made an adapter readily available.
>> 
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RE: Sending messages with Apple Watch.

2016-09-01 Thread Simon Fogarty

Hi Jenny,

Is that for real?
If your sending a message you can press the digital crown in and the message 
will send?

I’ve always just tapped the send button on the screan although with some issues 
at different times.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jenny Wood
Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2016 9:33 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sending messages with Apple Watch.

Hi,

This tripped me up in the beginning, too.  When you have the message up with 
the “Don’t Send” button, all you need to do is press the Crown button on the 
side of the watch, and that will send your message.  You should even hear the 
“swoosh” when the message sends.

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On Aug 30, 2016, at 3:38 PM, Anders Holmberg 
mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:

Hi!
I don’t get the send message feature to work on my Apple Watch.
When the text is dictated i have a message on the apple watch saying that i 
send this message.
Then comes the message and then a don’t send button.
Where is the send button?
Doesn’t it work without bluetooth?
Thanks.
/A

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