disregard mail signatures message

[Jean]

Hello Again:

Sorry, but please disregard my last message on signatures in mail. I found them 
right where they are supposed to be.


Jean Parker, Ph.D.

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mail signatures in siera

[Jean]

Hello All:

I am using Siera and the signatures in the mail program are missing. Can anyone 
tell me where to find the signature editor?

Many thanks,
Jean

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Re: Voiceover Slow

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

See, so as you can see, folks, I actually for once, do! know what I'm talking 
about.  Jonathan just confirmed it, and by the way, thank you for doing so.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Jonathan Cohn 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 7:37 PM
  Subject: Re: Voiceover Slow


  That check-box, in Voice-over settings makes all the difference because when 
AppleScript can't talk to VoiceOver 

  then it uses the speak interface instead which uses the default system voice. 

  On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 7:05 PM Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:

Absolutely no need for an apology; that isn't necessary.  It's quite OK, my
friend.  You simply were trying to help as well.  Thank you for your
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Subject: Re: Voiceover Slow


Hi!
Yes, i am sorry.
I happend to read his messages when mine was sent.
Thats the way it is i think.
Sadly.
/A
> On 22 Sep 2016, at 01:00, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
> wrote:
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> Yeah, but that just throws you back over to where Tim was describing to
> go. It's just another path to reach that exact same screen in the long
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> - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg"
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> To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
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> Subject: Re: Voiceover Slow
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> Hi!
> You can also change this somewhere else.
> You go into system prefs and time and date.
> Then check the clock tab and click the lock to make changes.
> Select customize voice.
> Good luck.
> /A
>> On 22 Sep 2016, at 00:41, Christopher-Mark Gilland
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Uh, it's checked on my end.  How would that make it not work?  If I
>> uncheck it, then check the time, Voiceover indeed is! incredibly slow.
>> Once I check it, it speaks at the same rate as my Voiceover.  I'm just
>> trying to help. Shruggs.  Sorry.
>>
>> Sometimes...
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>> - Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares"
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>> To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 6:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: Voiceover Slow
>>
>>
>> Then it couldn’t work at all, though. So I don’t think that’s it?
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 6:29 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Go into Voiceover Utility.  On the general tab, make sure allow
>>> Voiceover to be controlled by Apple script is checked.
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>>> - Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares"
>>> 
>>> To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 6:25 PM
>>> Subject: Voiceover Slow
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I just upgraded to Sierra.
>>>
>>> Everything’s great, but when I do something like option-T to check the
>>> time, Voiceover speaks very slowly. My usual rate is a lot faster, but
>>> when I run some script to speak something, that voice is very slow. How
>>> can I change this?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brandon
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Re: Questions about Sierra update

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

No.

You get that from the homepage of the app store.  Don't go into check for 
updates.
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  Hi all! How are you all? So I was  at my school today,and I went to the app  
store of my Mac, and when I went to updates, it told me not new updates  
available  However, isn't it suppose to show me the Sierra update since it came 
out on Tuesday? Just wondering. Do you have any  idea why it is not showing on 
my Mac? I have  a Macbook  Air 11 inches earlier 2015. Do I need  to get it 
from another place? Just wondering. I look forward in hearing from you soon. 
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Verizon Fios or Vios and wireless performance

[Jonathan Cohn]

When we got Verizon service last year they required us to get their 
router / modem combo. does anybody know what flavor of 802.11 their routers 
support? I would be thinking my 6 year old Airport Extreme 802.11N (first gen 
with N ) would be outperformed by Verizon's latest greatest router, but I get 
shxx poor performance when my Mac's attempt to connect to the v*5X wireless lan 
in the house. Should I attempt to do some wireless tuning, or just expect the 
old AirPort Extreme is really better. 

Thanks,
,  wireless.

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Re: do i want firewire to ethernet or USB to ethernet?

[Singing Sparrow]

you mean hd dvd don't you scott?


On 9/22/2016 8:27 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

I’m all for open standards.  USB-C would be a good one for now.  Not sure it 
will remove the need for dongles because there’s a lot of gear people will want 
backwards compatibility for but at least we won’t be reliving any number of 
countless battles like the VHS V. Beta, Blue Rey Verses (that other one nobody 
remembers), AC verses DC, and on and on.
  




On Sep 22, 2016, at 9:09 PM, Blee Blat  wrote:

We should all adopt some nonproprietary tech and be done yes. USBC maybe if 
that's an open standard. Or something else. Forcing people to one or 2 options 
is never helpful. At the rate they remove ports until we have free energy we're 
stuck with a lot of dongles it seems.

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Re: do i want firewire to ethernet or USB to ethernet?

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Yup. We're going to have dongles until they figure out how to make wireless 
actually not mean a loss in quality. 

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Re: do i want firewire to ethernet or USB to ethernet?

[Scott Granados]

I’m all for open standards.  USB-C would be a good one for now.  Not sure it 
will remove the need for dongles because there’s a lot of gear people will want 
backwards compatibility for but at least we won’t be reliving any number of 
countless battles like the VHS V. Beta, Blue Rey Verses (that other one nobody 
remembers), AC verses DC, and on and on.  
 


> On Sep 22, 2016, at 9:09 PM, Blee Blat  wrote:
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> We should all adopt some nonproprietary tech and be done yes. USBC maybe if 
> that's an open standard. Or something else. Forcing people to one or 2 
> options is never helpful. At the rate they remove ports until we have free 
> energy we're stuck with a lot of dongles it seems. 
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Re: do i want firewire to ethernet or USB to ethernet?

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We should all adopt some nonproprietary tech and be done yes. USBC maybe if 
that's an open standard. Or something else. Forcing people to one or 2 options 
is never helpful. At the rate they remove ports until we have free energy we're 
stuck with a lot of dongles it seems. 

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Re: do i want firewire to ethernet or USB to ethernet?

[Scott Granados]

You know what I never understood, why don’t they include a lightning port on 
the Mac itself.  Instead of usb to lightning cords wouldn’t lightning to 
lightning be better?

Or should we just all adopt USB-C and call it done?

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 9:56 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Never thought of that before, but an interesting question indeed.  It appears 
> that there is such an animal, but it has limitations.  It is only compatible 
> with specific apps.  Visit
> 
> http://redpark.com/lightning-ethernet-cable/ 
> 
> 
> for more info.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 07:26, Blee Blat  > wrote:
> 
> Can you get lightning to ethernet? That'd be kind of cool for those times 
> when you've got bad wifi.
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Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Scott Granados]

Jeff, you’ll find that applications like SIP calling or other bi directional 
protocols will work a whole lot better now with out the double nat. Also, do 
not feel bad about the plugging in of cables.  Sited and blind alike we all 
forget to plug things in even after all these years.  Hell I forget my glasses 
when I’m wearing them so no worries.  Let us know how your doing.
 

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 1:23 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
> Okay, now that we have figured out the weak link in your otherwise brilliant 
> plans (me), I have implemented the original solution and the network seems to 
> be working.  It will be some time before I notice if the intermittent wifi 
> outages are fixed, but I don’t have the Double NAT error (which I previously 
> didn’t know was an error), so I’d say that we are further ahead than when we 
> started.
> 
> Thank you for all your suggestions, guidance and help!
> 
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Jeff,
>> 
>> Thanks for the update.  Good luck.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 07:12, Jeff Berwick > > wrote:
>> 
>> I have discovered this morning, that the most important step in working with 
>> wired networking, is to connect the correct ethernet cable.  Not sure how I 
>> pugged the wrong one in, but I’ve found another cable that has brought the 
>> system back online.  This weekend I’ll try setting things up properly, but 
>> for now at least, I’m up and running.
>> 
>> Thanks again for all the help and I’ll check back in on the weekend. :)
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 10:07 PM, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Jef,
>>> 
>>> OK.  It sounds like Bell may have some odd things going on with their 
>>> modem/router.  Scott and Jonathan may have had a point with respect to how 
>>> many machines that they are accepting through their device.  Jerks.  That 
>>> refers to Bell, not Scott or Jonathan :).  Let's do the following:
>>> 
>>> 1.  TC #1, set with DHCP and NAT.  In the status, it may report an error, 
>>> but you can tell the TC to ignore that error in Airport Utility.  Also, 
>>> make sure that the ethernet cable goes into the WAN port which is the one 
>>> closest to the USB port on your TC.
>>> 2.  Connect TC #2 to the hub like before, but make sure that TC #2 has the 
>>> ethernet going into its WAN port as well.
>>> 3.  Make sure that TC #2 is in Bridge mode.
>>> 4.  turn off the wireless broadcasting on the Bell if you can.
>>> 5.  Make sure that both TC's have the same wireless SSID, same security and 
>>> same password for the WiFi signal.  The actual TC configuration passwords 
>>> are immaterial.
>>> 
>>> Please eMail me the IP addresses for each device if you can.  That is, WAN 
>>> and LAN addresses as well as the router address of each of the Bell device, 
>>> TC #1 and TC #2.  In Airport Utility, under the Internet tab, you can find 
>>> the extra info I'm hoping for.  The WAN and LAN can usually be found on the 
>>> front page of the Airport Utility for each TC but the router info is found 
>>> under the Internet tab.
>>> 
>>> Hope things get worked out quick for you.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 18:25, Jeff Berwick >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> So far, no joy!
>>> 
>>> I made the changes, but my network has completely crapped out on me.  As a 
>>> result, I’ve undone everything I did, but things are still not working.
>>> 
>>> It seems that computers connected to the hub which is connected to the 1st 
>>> Time Capsule are self-assigning ip addresses.  One is a Windows machine and 
>>> one is a MacBook Pro.  I can’t figure out how to convince them to get their 
>>> ip from the Time Capsule which is again set to  DHCP and NAT.  I’m fine 
>>> with the problems for now, I just need to get my home network up and 
>>> running again by tomorrow as I work from home.
>>> 
>>> I’ll try fiddling again on the weekend.  As it stands now, I’ve ben at this 
>>> for 4 hours and I’m frustrated.
>>> 
>>> Any thoughts?
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jef
>>> 
 On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:
 
 Another thing too, some providers like Comcast use your router to deliver 
 their services.  Everywhere you see for example an Xfinity SSID that’s 
 being broadcast, unknowingly by most, by your home comcast routers.  They 
 sell WiFi access and use their customers networks to carry the traffic.  I 
 do think they break off a separate channel structure but still if I want 
 to be a gateway for Comcast they can pay me for it.
 
 Great move turning that off.  I don’t know if Bell does 

Re: Apple TV 3rd Gen.

[Scott Granados]

Just to expand on this a little for Vaughn, the 3rd gen as everyone as said is 
not rechargeable.  The 4th is, on the back of the 4th is a lightning port.  You 
can use any lightning charger like your iPhone charger to give it a charge and 
under heavy use the remote lasts for months.  Same with the 3 it’s very energy 
efficient.

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 2:54 PM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello
> 
> First, the 3rd generation, as far as Apple Support is concerned, is long 
> gone. So your chances of support may be slim. Not impossible, but slim. Now 
> onto your questions.
> 
> This remote, does not charge, unlike the 4th generation. Therefore, you 
> change the batteries when it is low. To set it up with VoiceOver, make sure 
> your TV is tuned into the correct HDMI input channel. You should then hear it 
> talking you in how to turn on VoiceOver to set up Apple TV with VoiceOver.
> 
> 
>> On 22 Sep 2016, at 05:38, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> I just purchased and received an Apple TV 3rd generation. I have the
>> following question:
>> 1. How do you recharge the batteries? The remote has a slim plug in
>> the back but it did not come with a cable for recharging. I already
>> tried looking this up on the web but it keeps mentioning 4th Gen.
>> remotes.
>> 2. What is the best way to set this up via voiceover? Does my actual
>> TV need to be on a certain input such as auxillary?
>> 
>> I'm planning on calling Apple support but would appreciate your input.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Vaughn
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Re: Time Machine

[Scott Granados]

As I said, talking to hear him self talk.

Had no value what so ever.

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 3:24 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Chris,
>   You do not need to bother yourself with this. Your contributions (?) more 
> often than not are not helpful.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 9/22/2016 12:06 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> I wasn't attempting to be funny.  I was being dead serious.  I really do
>> wonder where that line is drawn, where one should say maybe it's time we
>> change the subject to reflect, vs. oh, this isn't gonna veer too badly,
>> keep the subject as is.  I'm not trying to be smart butt over here.  I'm
>> asking an honest to God question.
>> ---
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>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> i...@gillandmarketing.com 
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> 
>>- Original Message -
>>*From:* Tim Kilburn 
>>*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>
>>*Sent:* Thursday, September 22, 2016 3:04 PM
>>*Subject:* Re: Time Machine
>> 
>>Chris,
>> 
>>Attempting to be funny, or just needing clarification yourself?  In
>>my opinion, the thread didn't actually veer off, there was just some
>>confusion as to some responses that were posted.  Hence, confusion
>>is cleared up with clarification.  yeah, there were some opinions
>>expressed, but that's normal on this list.
>> 
>>Later...
>> 
>>Tim Kilburn
>>Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>On Sep 22, 2016, at 13:00, Christopher-Mark Gilland
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>What's considered as veering vs. clarification, or is that subjective?
>>---
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>>Training Instructor.
>> 
>>i...@gillandmarketing.com 
>>Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>>- Original Message -
>>>*From:* Tim Kilburn 
>>>*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>
>>>*Sent:* Thursday, September 22, 2016 2:58 PM
>>>*Subject:* Re: Time Machine
>>> 
>>>Certainly is regarding Time Machine.  There was just some
>>>clarification posts after the original question.
>>> 
>>>Later..
>>> 
>>>Tim Kilburn
>>>Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>>On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:54, Robin >>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>Is this Topic concernin' TimeMachine? JustWonderin'
>>> 
>>>Because that's TheSubject of ThisThread or SoItAppears
>>>At 11:42 AM 9/22/2016, you wrote:
Ok. Still can’t see it, all I see is his signature repeated, my
response then the list footer repeated several times.
> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:34, Tim Kilburn > wrote:
>
> hi,
>
> His answers are posted below the "Sent from my iPhone"
signature.  For your initial eMail, you'll note a "Correct"
inserted in your original text.  The practice of inserting a
response in that manner is not uncommon, it's just often
difficult to follow if the preceding signatures and other header
info is not removed first.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:30, christopher hallsworth
> wrote:
>
> No he’s not, I cannot see his response at all. Frustrates me
how or why people with iOS devices send emails with just their
signatures. I’ve emailed on my own iOS devices with no problems.
>> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:22, E.T. > wrote:
>>
>> 2nd time too. He may be bottom posting.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>
>> On 9/22/2016 11:10 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>>> Hello, blank bar my original email.
 On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:07, Daniel C > wrote:



 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 22, 2016, at 11:46, christopher hallsworth
> wrote:

> Hello again. Correct.
>
> I have finally set up Time Machine, and it’s pretty good.
It’s currently doing a full backup of a partition on my
external disk, this is because the first partition hosts the

Re: Trusted apps?

[Scott Granados]

I believe if you open system preferences as well under security near the area 
to select the applications you want to install there is a one time entry to 
allow or deny the specific application you just tried to install.  Although Tim 
and Chris’s method sounds a bit simpler it’s another way to get from A to B.:)

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Kliph,
> 
> Oops, that should be VO-shift-m as Chris H mentioned.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 13:21, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Kliph,
> 
> Where does it stop you?  When you try to open the installer, or somewhere 
> during the installation process.  If the former, you used to be able to press 
> VO-shift-space to bring up the Contextual menu then choose Open from there 
> and it would allow the installer to proceed.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 13:15, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> Okay, before in security settings we had 3 choices for installing apps.  App 
> Store, App Store and trusted developers, or anywhere.  The anywhere option is 
> gone, and now I can’t install VLC.  Is there a fix for this?
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Re: how to create a bootable installer for os 10 12

[Scott Granados]

How great is terminal though.  The ability to drop to a bash shell is so useful 
not to mention all the handy things you can do with the command line in Unix 
environments.  It’s like having your cake and eating it too.  A cool unix 
environment with a highly usable GUI on top that even we blind can enjoy unlike 
some other platforms that drop you to an MS dos environment.   Although I’ve 
heard that’s changing in Microsoft land as well.  Bash under windows will be 
equally groovy.

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 2:51 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> I can understand that.  It's not a particularly easy set of commands to 
> remember.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:49, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Well keep forgetting the Terminal commands lol so use an app instead.
>> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:47, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I prefer the Terminal method, but using an app is less worrisome for many.  
>> If it does the job, then do whatever you feel most comfortable with.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:44, christopher hallsworth  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> No need for that, found a free app from the internet that does this all for 
>> you. Called “Install Disk Creator”, found this out after discovering 
>> Diskmakerx is not ready for Sierra even though they claim to be “rocking 
>> with Sierra”, according to their web page,
>> www.liondiskmaker.com
>> 
>> 
>>> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:29, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> When using the Terminal to create the bootable installer, it uses the 
>>> "sudo" command in front.  You, as an Administrator, have the power to use 
>>> the sudo command, although the OS will ask for your Admin password in order 
>>> to proceed.  Once the password has been correctly input, the action will 
>>> commence.  So, yes, an Administrator is sufficient, but an extra step of 
>>> security is necessary to proceed.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:15, Daniel C  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 22, 2016, at 10:03, matthew dyer  
 wrote:
 Hi,
>>> Most likely, the password that they are referring to, maybe in a minute 
>>> straight of account password. You don't actually need to use the root user 
>>> that usually comes with UNIX like operating systems to perform such tasks.
 And administrative account should be sufficient enough, it is actually 
 like the root user. So creating the boot disk with your administrative 
 account, should suffice just fine.Hi,
 
 
 I forget the site, but I have it saved in my favorites list and will be 
 doing this at some point.  When they say root password, are they refering 
 to the paassword you set when you first setup the mac?  I ask as I don't 
 recall seting up a root password here on my mac.  Thanks.
 
 
 Matthew
 
 
 
 
> On 09/20/2016 06:18 PM, Kliphton Miller wrote:
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Re: how to create a bootable installer for os 10 12

[Scott Granados]

I rocked with Ciara once but a different spelling.  Benefits of putting the 
seed money up for a stage hands company.:)

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 2:44 PM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> No need for that, found a free app from the internet that does this all for 
> you. Called “Install Disk Creator”, found this out after discovering 
> Diskmakerx is not ready for Sierra even though they claim to be “rocking with 
> Sierra”, according to their web page,
> www.liondiskmaker.com
> 
> 
>> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:29, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> When using the Terminal to create the bootable installer, it uses the "sudo" 
>> command in front.  You, as an Administrator, have the power to use the sudo 
>> command, although the OS will ask for your Admin password in order to 
>> proceed.  Once the password has been correctly input, the action will 
>> commence.  So, yes, an Administrator is sufficient, but an extra step of 
>> security is necessary to proceed.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:15, Daniel C  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 10:03, matthew dyer  
>>> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>> Most likely, the password that they are referring to, maybe in a minute 
>> straight of account password. You don't actually need to use the root user 
>> that usually comes with UNIX like operating systems to perform such tasks.
>>> And administrative account should be sufficient enough, it is actually like 
>>> the root user. So creating the boot disk with your administrative account, 
>>> should suffice just fine.Hi,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I forget the site, but I have it saved in my favorites list and will be 
>>> doing this at some point.  When they say root password, are they refering 
>>> to the paassword you set when you first setup the mac?  I ask as I don't 
>>> recall seting up a root password here on my mac.  Thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 09/20/2016 06:18 PM, Kliphton Miller wrote:
 http://www.redmondpie.com/make-macos-sierra-10.12-bootable-usb-flash-drive-installer-here’s-how-tutorial/
 
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Re: Update on mac research

[Scott Granados]

Chris, sounds like a fine choice.  If the user is upgrading from a 500 GB HD to 
a 512 SSD she’ll be blown away.  That in itself is such a  major upgrade.  
You’re talking 30 to 45 times faster just on disk access alone.  Sounds like 
you did good my man.:)

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 4:09 PM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> I did, and no refurbished macs so far. Cheers for the idea though and will 
> keep looking.
>> On 22 Sep 2016, at 21:04, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> check out the apple refurbished store.
>>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 2:48 PM, matthew dyer  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Chris,
>>> 
>>> That sounds good.  I say you should go with what you can afford.  I have an 
>>> iMac 21 inch with 8 GB of ram and a 1 TB HD.  I do how ever wish I had an 
>>> SSD as It would be nice to work with, but for my needs things work well.  I 
>>> am going to be working on getting a clean install of Searria this weekend 
>>> and as of rite now I have already moved everything I want to keep to my 
>>> dropbox and  now am waiting for dropbox to finish uploading everything, but 
>>> will be doing this this weekend.  Will report how it goes.  I did managed 
>>> to make a bootable usb drive so will see what happens.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 22, 2016, at 1:41 PM, Christopher Hallsworth 
  wrote:
 
 Hello everyone.
 
 Just an update on my mac research for Hannah’s Christmas present.
 
 She has chosen the 13 inch Macbook Pro with retina display, customized 
 with 512 GB of PCIE-based flash storage, base RAM of 8 GB and base 
 processor of 2.9 GHZ with turbo boost up to 3.2 GHZ, something like that 
 anyway. That is providing a newer mac doesn’t come before then.
 
 Think she will be happy with these specs, as she has no intentions of 
 editing video for example, hence the base RAM configuration, and the 
 customized storage is slightly more than her external 500 GB HDD. Thoughts?
 
 
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My experience with a clean install of the new searia os.

[matthew dyer]

Hi all,

Just want to share my experience with doing a clean install of 10.12.  First 
off, I moved everything over to my dropbox account which so far went without a 
problem.  Next once I did all this, I used to the bootible drive to install  
and discovered that the partition could be erased but not the drive itself.  
This was not a big deal.  After going through the install, I found a bug which 
I wondered if anyone else incountered when trying to have 2facter 
authentication enabled, the system would reboot for no reason after selecting 
the screen to enter a phone number to use when signing in with a new device.  I 
then elected to skip that step for now and everything else went fine.  I now 
have my iTunes account configured and my email accounts came over without any 
problem.  

That is the story off my adventure for now.  I should mention that before the 
install, I had been running the gold master of the os.  Just thought I would 
point that out.  I would like to hear other experiences with the clean install 
on there machines.  I have an iMac 21.5 with 8 gb of ram and a 1 TB HD.  I can 
share other specks if interested.  

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Re: AppleVis

[Scott Granados]

AppleVis is the bees knees.

They do a good job over there.

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 5:38 PM, Michael Babcock  wrote:
> 
> macOS 10.12 Sierra: What's New and Changed for Blind ... - AppleVis
> http://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-macos-news/macos-1012-sierra-what-s-new-and-changed-blind-and-low-vision-users
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 2:15 PM, E.T.  wrote:
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>>  Did AppleVis do an overview of Sierra yet? They usually are pretty quick to 
>> do so after a release.
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Re: Voiceover Slow

[Jonathan Cohn]

That check-box, in Voice-over settings makes all the difference because
when AppleScript can't talk to VoiceOver

then it uses the speak interface instead which uses the default system
voice.
On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 7:05 PM Christopher-Mark Gilland <
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> Absolutely no need for an apology; that isn't necessary.  It's quite OK, my
> friend.  You simply were trying to help as well.  Thank you for your
> efforts.
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Anders Holmberg" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 7:02 PM
> Subject: Re: Voiceover Slow
>
>
> Hi!
> Yes, i am sorry.
> I happend to read his messages when mine was sent.
> Thats the way it is i think.
> Sadly.
> /A
> > On 22 Sep 2016, at 01:00, Christopher-Mark Gilland <
> clgillan...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, but that just throws you back over to where Tim was describing to
> > go. It's just another path to reach that exact same screen in the long
> > run.
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> > - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg"
> > 
> > To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries"  >
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 6:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: Voiceover Slow
> >
> >
> > Hi!
> > You can also change this somewhere else.
> > You go into system prefs and time and date.
> > Then check the clock tab and click the lock to make changes.
> > Select customize voice.
> > Good luck.
> > /A
> >> On 22 Sep 2016, at 00:41, Christopher-Mark Gilland
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Uh, it's checked on my end.  How would that make it not work?  If I
> >> uncheck it, then check the time, Voiceover indeed is! incredibly slow.
> >> Once I check it, it speaks at the same rate as my Voiceover.  I'm just
> >> trying to help. Shruggs.  Sorry.
> >>
> >> Sometimes...
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> >> - Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares"
> >> 
> >> To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 6:33 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Voiceover Slow
> >>
> >>
> >> Then it couldn’t work at all, though. So I don’t think that’s it?
> >>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 6:29 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Go into Voiceover Utility.  On the general tab, make sure allow
> >>> Voiceover to be controlled by Apple script is checked.
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> >>> - Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares"
> >>> 
> >>> To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 6:25 PM
> >>> Subject: Voiceover Slow
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I just upgraded to Sierra.
> >>>
> >>> Everything’s great, but when I do something like option-T to check the
> >>> time, Voiceover speaks very slowly. My usual rate is a lot faster, but
> >>> when I run some script to speak something, that voice is very slow. How
> >>> can I change this?
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Re: Notifications Keep Interrupting

[Jonathan Cohn]

Do not disturb? Not perfect but it would stop interruptions
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 4:32 PM Brandon A. Olivares <
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> Thanks. Good to know. I’ve also shut off notifications now.
> > On Sep 22, 2016, at 4:31 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Brandon. This was also like that in the beta of Sierra. I brought it
> to the attention to the beta group I'm with on Roger and one of those
> members whose also on this list, Daniel I think it was, said that this was
> going to be normal behavior for Sierra. Knowing this I turned off
> notifications for a few apps including Mail.
> >
> > Shawn
> > Sent From My White MacBook
> > Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> > Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> > Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> > Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> >
> >> On Sep 22, 2016, at 2:00 PM, Brandon A. Olivares <
> thepianist2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes I’m familiar with that, but usually when there’s a notification,
> Voiceover won’t actually speak it until it’s done speaking the current
> item. Now, it is interrupted. I’d prefer to keep the notification but
> simply not have it interrupt like that. Is that no longer possible?
> >>
> >> Brandon
> >>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 1:40 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> You should be able to make any modifications to the notification
> settings for Mail in System Preferences, Notification Centre.
> >>>
> >>> Later...
> >>>
> >>> Tim Kilburn
> >>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> >>>
> >>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 11:31, Brandon A. Olivares <
> thepianist2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Sorry for all the emails. :P
> >>>
> >>> Now in 10.12, when there is a notification, Voiceover interrupts the
> flow of whatever I’m doing to tell me about it. Usually it would instead
> wait until its done reading the current item before it notifies me.
> >>>
> >>> For instance, if I’m reading something in Safari, and I get a new
> email, Voiceover will immediately tell me about it. Then I have to start
> the paragraph over again in Safari and hope I don’t get anymore
> notifications.
> >>>
> >>> Is there a setting for this? It’s quite annoying.
> >>>
> >>> Brandon
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Re: Accessing text field in Messages app on IOS

[E.T.]

   Hmmm. Well there are many many things I could stand to do without. I 
cannot get rid of it so I just sweep past them.


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On 9/22/2016 2:47 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

It's not the end of the world, but the lower part of the screen on the iPhone 
is kind of dominated by those buttons.  And, speaking only for myself,  I can't 
imagine why I would ever use the messaging apps button, so would love to have 
the option to just make it go away.  That said, Anders's suggestion did work, 
it's just that the text field is smaller and harder to find.
Cheers,
Donna

On Sep 22, 2016, at 4:31 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  What's different, just a couple more buttons to swipe past? I have done the 
iPad but not the iPhone yet so wondering if its really that bad.

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On 9/22/2016 2:23 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Yes i have this problem to.
Its very annoying but i use to try finding the text field in the bottom right 
corner.
Something like that.
Try that my friend.
/A

22 sep. 2016 kl. 20:03 skrev Donna Goodin :

Hi all,

One thing I'm finding in iOs 10 is that with all the clutter of digital touch 
and the Messaging Apps button, I can no longer activate the message text field 
without swiping to it.  Is anyone else encountering this behavior, and does 
anyone know of a way to fix it?
TIA,
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Re: Accessing text field in Messages app on IOS

[Donna Goodin]

It's not the end of the world, but the lower part of the screen on the iPhone 
is kind of dominated by those buttons.  And, speaking only for myself,  I can't 
imagine why I would ever use the messaging apps button, so would love to have 
the option to just make it go away.  That said, Anders's suggestion did work, 
it's just that the text field is smaller and harder to find.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 4:31 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   What's different, just a couple more buttons to swipe past? I have done the 
> iPad but not the iPhone yet so wondering if its really that bad.
> 
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> On 9/22/2016 2:23 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>> Hi!
>> Yes i have this problem to.
>> Its very annoying but i use to try finding the text field in the bottom 
>> right corner.
>> Something like that.
>> Try that my friend.
>> /A
>>> 22 sep. 2016 kl. 20:03 skrev Donna Goodin :
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> One thing I'm finding in iOs 10 is that with all the clutter of digital 
>>> touch and the Messaging Apps button, I can no longer activate the message 
>>> text field without swiping to it.  Is anyone else encountering this 
>>> behavior, and does anyone know of a way to fix it?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: AppleVis

[E.T.]

   Thanks much for the link.

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Re: AppleVis

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macOS 10.12 Sierra: What's New and Changed for Blind ... - AppleVis
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Re: Braille input with hands on an I phone podcast?

[David Chittenden]

Yes, the ruls are the same as hardcopy braille. Uppercase letters are entered 
with a dot 6 preceeding the letter. 2 dot 6 in a row indicates uppercase the 
following characters (continues until a non-alphabetic character). Dots 5 6 
indicate lowercase character follows. Dots 3 4 5 6 indicates the start of 
numbers (will continue until a non-number character). As for other symbology, 
it depends on the contracted braille table that has been set in settings, 
general, accessibility, voiceover, braille. 6 dot follows the contracted 
braille setting for such entries as parenthesis.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Sent from my iPhone

> On 23/09/2016, at 09:04, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> Not David, but I think I can help. :)
> 
> If you set your braille table to either contracted or six-dot, just use the 
> capital dot 6 before the letter you want capitalized.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello David,
>> I’ve started using braille input.  How do you enter capital letters, numbers 
>> and special characters?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> Chris
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 5:16 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On the iPhone, five separate events can be detected at one time. Therefore, 
>>> the dots 1 2 3 4 5 6 (for sign) when in contracted braille does not work. 
>>> 8-dot computer braille entry works on the iPad. Perhaps the larger display 
>>> allows for more points at the same time. As I normally write in 
>>> uncontracted mode to keep my spelling up and be more like my sighted 
>>> colleagues, I do not usually run into the five dot limitation on my iPhone. 
>>> I will test it on the iPad ,n a few weeks.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 19/09/2016, at 08:27, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi David,
 
 Thanks for the feedback.  It was helpful to hear how well this is working 
 for you.
 
 I've done several practice sessions since yesterday, and when in 
 Screen-Away mode, my results have improved dramatically.  They're still 
 pretty abysmal when in Tabletop mode, but I can probably live with just 
 using screen away mode, so that isn't a huge deal.
 
 I do have one problem that I haven't been able to correct.  I cannot 
 produce dots 1-2-3-4-5-6, (for).  What happens most often is that I get 
 the letter Y.  I've tried calibrating, but that doesn't seem to help.  
 Wondering if you have an iPhone 7, whether you can reproduce that problem? 
  Again, it's not a deal-breaker, I can type out those letters, it'd just 
 be nice if I didn't have to.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Sep 17, 2016, at 4:59 PM, David Chittenden  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I use braille screen input all the time, for just about everything.
> 
> I started teaching myself when it first came out. Back then, I worked 
> with it every day, several times per day, and could not get it reliably 
> or consistently for about a week. In other words, as with everything else 
> which is new, be patient with yourself, accept you are going to get it 
> wrong, and keep trying.
> 
> Dot calibration is your friend. Dot calibration moves the centre of each 
> dot under the middle of the particular finqer. On the iPhone, it requires 
> between about a quarter second and half of a second between the right 
> hand and the left hand. If you try dot calibration and iOS gives you 4 5 
> 6 l, you are pausing too long between the two hands. If, on the other 
> hand, it gives any combination of symbols with 4 or 5 dots in it, you are 
> tapping too quick between your left and right hands.
> 
> Why should I do dot calibration? It seems unfair. Well, you are blind. 
> This means, it is virtually impossible for you to put your fingers in the 
> same spots on the iDevice. As for how unfair it is, get over yourself. I 
> perform dot calibration every time I start writing. It takes about half a 
> second, and my writing is excellent, every time. Note: on the iPad, dot 
> calibration is different. for that device, tap with all 6 or 8 fingers 
> (depending on which braille input you are using. The first tap is 
> followed by a second tap which is within 1/4 to 1/2 second.
> 
> Brailling feels strange on the iPhone. It is different because one is not 
> touching the keys all the time. So, one's fingers tend to drift, which 
> eventually causes one to press incorrect dots with one or more fingers. 
> At this point, dot calibration is your friend again. It will realign the 
> dots to your fingers. Again, you are blind, so cannot realign your 
> fingers to the visible dots on 

Re: Accessing text field in Messages app on IOS

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Well, maybe its something to get used to.
I haven’t done yet but hopefully soonsoon.
/A
> 22 sep. 2016 kl. 23:31 skrev E.T. :
> 
>   What's different, just a couple more buttons to swipe past? I have done the 
> iPad but not the iPhone yet so wondering if its really that bad.
> 
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> On 9/22/2016 2:23 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>> Hi!
>> Yes i have this problem to.
>> Its very annoying but i use to try finding the text field in the bottom 
>> right corner.
>> Something like that.
>> Try that my friend.
>> /A
>>> 22 sep. 2016 kl. 20:03 skrev Donna Goodin :
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> One thing I'm finding in iOs 10 is that with all the clutter of digital 
>>> touch and the Messaging Apps button, I can no longer activate the message 
>>> text field without swiping to it.  Is anyone else encountering this 
>>> behavior, and does anyone know of a way to fix it?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Accessing text field in Messages app on IOS

[E.T.]

   What's different, just a couple more buttons to swipe past? I have 
done the iPad but not the iPhone yet so wondering if its really that bad.


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On 9/22/2016 2:23 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Yes i have this problem to.
Its very annoying but i use to try finding the text field in the bottom right 
corner.
Something like that.
Try that my friend.
/A

22 sep. 2016 kl. 20:03 skrev Donna Goodin :

Hi all,

One thing I'm finding in iOs 10 is that with all the clutter of digital touch 
and the Messaging Apps button, I can no longer activate the message text field 
without swiping to it.  Is anyone else encountering this behavior, and does 
anyone know of a way to fix it?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: Accessing text field in Messages app on IOS

[Donna Goodin]

Thanks, Anders.  I will give that a try.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 4:23 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Yes i have this problem to.
> Its very annoying but i use to try finding the text field in the bottom right 
> corner.
> Something like that.
> Try that my friend.
> /A
>> 22 sep. 2016 kl. 20:03 skrev Donna Goodin :
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> One thing I'm finding in iOs 10 is that with all the clutter of digital 
>> touch and the Messaging Apps button, I can no longer activate the message 
>> text field without swiping to it.  Is anyone else encountering this 
>> behavior, and does anyone know of a way to fix it?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Accessing text field in Messages app on IOS

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Yes i have this problem to.
Its very annoying but i use to try finding the text field in the bottom right 
corner.
Something like that.
Try that my friend.
/A
> 22 sep. 2016 kl. 20:03 skrev Donna Goodin :
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> One thing I'm finding in iOs 10 is that with all the clutter of digital touch 
> and the Messaging Apps button, I can no longer activate the message text 
> field without swiping to it.  Is anyone else encountering this behavior, and 
> does anyone know of a way to fix it?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Braille input with hands on an I phone podcast?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Chris,

Not David, but I think I can help. :)

If you set your braille table to either contracted or six-dot, just use the 
capital dot 6 before the letter you want capitalized.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
> 
> Hello David,
> I’ve started using braille input.  How do you enter capital letters, numbers 
> and special characters?
> 
> Thanks.
> Chris
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 5:16 PM, David Chittenden > > wrote:
>> 
>> On the iPhone, five separate events can be detected at one time. Therefore, 
>> the dots 1 2 3 4 5 6 (for sign) when in contracted braille does not work. 
>> 8-dot computer braille entry works on the iPad. Perhaps the larger display 
>> allows for more points at the same time. As I normally write in uncontracted 
>> mode to keep my spelling up and be more like my sighted colleagues, I do not 
>> usually run into the five dot limitation on my iPhone. I will test it on the 
>> iPad ,n a few weeks.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 19/09/2016, at 08:27, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi David,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the feedback.  It was helpful to hear how well this is working 
>>> for you.
>>> 
>>> I've done several practice sessions since yesterday, and when in 
>>> Screen-Away mode, my results have improved dramatically.  They're still 
>>> pretty abysmal when in Tabletop mode, but I can probably live with just 
>>> using screen away mode, so that isn't a huge deal.
>>> 
>>> I do have one problem that I haven't been able to correct.  I cannot 
>>> produce dots 1-2-3-4-5-6, (for).  What happens most often is that I get the 
>>> letter Y.  I've tried calibrating, but that doesn't seem to help.  
>>> Wondering if you have an iPhone 7, whether you can reproduce that problem?  
>>> Again, it's not a deal-breaker, I can type out those letters, it'd just be 
>>> nice if I didn't have to.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 17, 2016, at 4:59 PM, David Chittenden > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I use braille screen input all the time, for just about everything.
 
 I started teaching myself when it first came out. Back then, I worked with 
 it every day, several times per day, and could not get it reliably or 
 consistently for about a week. In other words, as with everything else 
 which is new, be patient with yourself, accept you are going to get it 
 wrong, and keep trying.
 
 Dot calibration is your friend. Dot calibration moves the centre of each 
 dot under the middle of the particular finqer. On the iPhone, it requires 
 between about a quarter second and half of a second between the right hand 
 and the left hand. If you try dot calibration and iOS gives you 4 5 6 l, 
 you are pausing too long between the two hands. If, on the other hand, it 
 gives any combination of symbols with 4 or 5 dots in it, you are tapping 
 too quick between your left and right hands.
 
 Why should I do dot calibration? It seems unfair. Well, you are blind. 
 This means, it is virtually impossible for you to put your fingers in the 
 same spots on the iDevice. As for how unfair it is, get over yourself. I 
 perform dot calibration every time I start writing. It takes about half a 
 second, and my writing is excellent, every time. Note: on the iPad, dot 
 calibration is different. for that device, tap with all 6 or 8 fingers 
 (depending on which braille input you are using. The first tap is followed 
 by a second tap which is within 1/4 to 1/2 second.
 
 Brailling feels strange on the iPhone. It is different because one is not 
 touching the keys all the time. So, one's fingers tend to drift, which 
 eventually causes one to press incorrect dots with one or more fingers. At 
 this point, dot calibration is your friend again. It will realign the dots 
 to your fingers. Again, you are blind, so cannot realign your fingers to 
 the visible dots on the screen, so get over yourself.
 
 I prefer away mode. I find that it is easier to keep my fingers in the 
 same positions on the screen when I am holding the iPhone with my thumbs 
 on one edge and my pinkys on the other edge. With the iPad, either mode 
 works for me. That said, When using the iPad in table-top mode, I touch 
 the bottom edge of the iPad with both thumbs to keep my fingers in the 
 same locations on the screen.
 
 Listen to what VO is saying about what is being typed. This will help you 
 to understand what you are doing wrong. Braille Screen Input is as stable 
 as performing VO gestures, so you are the one making the errors. again, 
 get over yourself 

Re: Braille input with hands on an I phone podcast?

[Chris Moore]

Hello David,
I’ve started using braille input.  How do you enter capital letters, numbers 
and special characters?

Thanks.
Chris
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 5:16 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> On the iPhone, five separate events can be detected at one time. Therefore, 
> the dots 1 2 3 4 5 6 (for sign) when in contracted braille does not work. 
> 8-dot computer braille entry works on the iPad. Perhaps the larger display 
> allows for more points at the same time. As I normally write in uncontracted 
> mode to keep my spelling up and be more like my sighted colleagues, I do not 
> usually run into the five dot limitation on my iPhone. I will test it on the 
> iPad ,n a few weeks.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 19/09/2016, at 08:27, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi David,
>> 
>> Thanks for the feedback.  It was helpful to hear how well this is working 
>> for you.
>> 
>> I've done several practice sessions since yesterday, and when in Screen-Away 
>> mode, my results have improved dramatically.  They're still pretty abysmal 
>> when in Tabletop mode, but I can probably live with just using screen away 
>> mode, so that isn't a huge deal.
>> 
>> I do have one problem that I haven't been able to correct.  I cannot produce 
>> dots 1-2-3-4-5-6, (for).  What happens most often is that I get the letter 
>> Y.  I've tried calibrating, but that doesn't seem to help.  Wondering if you 
>> have an iPhone 7, whether you can reproduce that problem?  Again, it's not a 
>> deal-breaker, I can type out those letters, it'd just be nice if I didn't 
>> have to.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 4:59 PM, David Chittenden >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I use braille screen input all the time, for just about everything.
>>> 
>>> I started teaching myself when it first came out. Back then, I worked with 
>>> it every day, several times per day, and could not get it reliably or 
>>> consistently for about a week. In other words, as with everything else 
>>> which is new, be patient with yourself, accept you are going to get it 
>>> wrong, and keep trying.
>>> 
>>> Dot calibration is your friend. Dot calibration moves the centre of each 
>>> dot under the middle of the particular finqer. On the iPhone, it requires 
>>> between about a quarter second and half of a second between the right hand 
>>> and the left hand. If you try dot calibration and iOS gives you 4 5 6 l, 
>>> you are pausing too long between the two hands. If, on the other hand, it 
>>> gives any combination of symbols with 4 or 5 dots in it, you are tapping 
>>> too quick between your left and right hands.
>>> 
>>> Why should I do dot calibration? It seems unfair. Well, you are blind. This 
>>> means, it is virtually impossible for you to put your fingers in the same 
>>> spots on the iDevice. As for how unfair it is, get over yourself. I perform 
>>> dot calibration every time I start writing. It takes about half a second, 
>>> and my writing is excellent, every time. Note: on the iPad, dot calibration 
>>> is different. for that device, tap with all 6 or 8 fingers (depending on 
>>> which braille input you are using. The first tap is followed by a second 
>>> tap which is within 1/4 to 1/2 second.
>>> 
>>> Brailling feels strange on the iPhone. It is different because one is not 
>>> touching the keys all the time. So, one's fingers tend to drift, which 
>>> eventually causes one to press incorrect dots with one or more fingers. At 
>>> this point, dot calibration is your friend again. It will realign the dots 
>>> to your fingers. Again, you are blind, so cannot realign your fingers to 
>>> the visible dots on the screen, so get over yourself.
>>> 
>>> I prefer away mode. I find that it is easier to keep my fingers in the same 
>>> positions on the screen when I am holding the iPhone with my thumbs on one 
>>> edge and my pinkys on the other edge. With the iPad, either mode works for 
>>> me. That said, When using the iPad in table-top mode, I touch the bottom 
>>> edge of the iPad with both thumbs to keep my fingers in the same locations 
>>> on the screen.
>>> 
>>> Listen to what VO is saying about what is being typed. This will help you 
>>> to understand what you are doing wrong. Braille Screen Input is as stable 
>>> as performing VO gestures, so you are the one making the errors. again, get 
>>> over yourself and build your skills. It is an excellent method of data 
>>> entry which does not require any other equipment, so can be used on the fly 
>>> / at a second's notice. And, one does not need to be concerned with 
>>> charging or pairing keyboards; not to mention the need to find an available 
>>> surface to write on.
>>> 
>>> Now, whilst learning, if you continue making the same errors, write down 

Re: Questions about Sierra update

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

At the moment, it's not showing it in the updates screen.  You can do a search 
for Sierra or, I believe that it is on the Home page of the Mac App Store.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 22, 2016, at 14:48, Helga Schreiber  wrote:

Hi all! How are you all? So I was  at my school today,and I went to the app  
store of my Mac, and when I went to updates, it told me not new updates  
available  However, isn't it suppose to show me the Sierra update since it came 
out on Tuesday? Just wondering. Do you have any  idea why it is not showing on 
my Mac? I have  a Macbook  Air 11 inches earlier 2015. Do I need  to get it 
from another place? Just wondering. I look forward in hearing from you soon. 
Thanks and God bless!

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Questions about Sierra update

[Helga Schreiber]

Hi all! How are you all? So I was  at my school today,and I went to the app  
store of my Mac, and when I went to updates, it told me not new updates  
available  However, isn't it suppose to show me the Sierra update since it came 
out on Tuesday? Just wondering. Do you have any  idea why it is not showing on 
my Mac? I have  a Macbook  Air 11 inches earlier 2015. Do I need  to get it 
from another place? Just wondering. I look forward in hearing from you soon. 
Thanks and God bless!

  Helga Schreiber 
Group Moderator  
 
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Students.
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Re: iCloud Keychain

[E.T.]

   Finally! I found the needed information online but as is happening 
more and more, Apple support articles do not quite match up.


   But I finally was able to do it from my iPhone and now the Mac is 
happy. Thanks for sticking with this.


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On 9/22/2016 1:35 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hmmm.  Is iCloud Keychain enabled at the moment, or disabled?

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 22, 2016, at 14:13, E.T.  wrote:

  When I do that I am placed on the iCloud Drive item. This happened every time 
when I tried to activate the Options button yesterday.

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On 9/22/2016 1:05 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

When you interact with the Services table, navigate down to Keychain,
then interact again, there'll be an Options button.  Press on that and
you should have the ability to change the code.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 22, 2016, at 13:58, E.T. > wrote:

Tim,
 Signed out and closed System prefs then opened it and signed in again.
Same thing happened except this time the dialog said incorrect code. I
see no place to reset it.

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On 9/20/2016 10:00 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

Yes, signing out then exiting System Preferences sounds like a good
thing to do.  It is good to quit System Prefs, then go back in to
re-sign into iCloud.  This allows for System Prefs to properly kill
processes before logging back in.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:36, E.T. > wrote:

Yes indeed. I have been googling this too and come up with nothing
helpful. I cannot access the options if I cannot enable Keychain.
later I may sign out and back in and see if that changes anything.

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On 9/20/2016 9:30 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

so, on your Mac, it is asking for a four digit code when you attempt
to enable iCloud Keychain?  Hmmm.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 20, 2016, at 09:55, E.T.  wrote:

Tim,
I'm wondering now if I am mistaken here. When I try to enable
Keychain, the dialog asks for iCloud security code and its a 4 digit
code. This must not be the same thing as the one that requires 6 digits.

Mu iPhone and iPad both do not have Keychain enabled.

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On 9/20/2016 7:35 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

I suggest that you then first turn iCloud Keychain off on your
iPhone.  It shouldn't require a code for that, just your Apple ID
credentials.  Now, try enabling it on your Mac.  If it is already
on, when you click on Options, a dialog should appear that gives you
the option to change your Security Code.  this needs to be a six
digit code.  It accepts numbers kind of like the pass-code on an
iPhone whereby you push a number and it pops over to the next
numeric field automatically.  You'll need to enter this code two
times, a phone number that accepts SMS messages, then enter your
Apple ID credentials to confirm the change.  This is to make sure
that a third party could not simply change that Security Code and
SMS number without knowing all your info.

Let me know how it goes.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 20, 2016, at 08:21, E.T.  wrote:

Hi Tim,
At this point I am not sure I ever did enable Keychain. Working from
the Mac I cannot get past the dialog for the code. If I enter one
the iPhone gets a text with a verification code which I type in on
the Mac which then cycles back to requesting the security code. So I
get nowhere. On that dialog there is text that says Forgot code. Its
not a link or button.

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On 9/20/2016 7:06 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

Just a quick clarification first.  There is usually no need to
enter the security code when choosing to approve the device from
another device.  For example, if I wished to enrol my iPhone to use
the iCloud Keychain, and if I'd already had it enabled on my Mac,
then I'd choose "Approve from another device", which in turn would
send a notification to all my devices that have iCloud Keychain
enabled.  I would accept it on my Mac, and would be asked to enter
my Apple ID password.  No Security Code needed.  If this is the
first device you're enrolling, then you'll need to enter a new
Security Code.

If you're unsure as to whether you've set it up initially on
another device, or have forgot your Security Code, I find it
easiest to 

Re: iCloud Keychain

[Tim Kilburn]

Hmmm.  Is iCloud Keychain enabled at the moment, or disabled?

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 22, 2016, at 14:13, E.T.  wrote:

  When I do that I am placed on the iCloud Drive item. This happened every time 
when I tried to activate the Options button yesterday.

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On 9/22/2016 1:05 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> When you interact with the Services table, navigate down to Keychain,
> then interact again, there'll be an Options button.  Press on that and
> you should have the ability to change the code.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 13:58, E.T.  > wrote:
> 
> Tim,
>  Signed out and closed System prefs then opened it and signed in again.
> Same thing happened except this time the dialog said incorrect code. I
> see no place to reset it.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> 
> On 9/20/2016 10:00 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yes, signing out then exiting System Preferences sounds like a good
>> thing to do.  It is good to quit System Prefs, then go back in to
>> re-sign into iCloud.  This allows for System Prefs to properly kill
>> processes before logging back in.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:36, E.T. > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yes indeed. I have been googling this too and come up with nothing
>> helpful. I cannot access the options if I cannot enable Keychain.
>> later I may sign out and back in and see if that changes anything.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>> 
>> On 9/20/2016 9:30 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> so, on your Mac, it is asking for a four digit code when you attempt
>>> to enable iCloud Keychain?  Hmmm.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 09:55, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tim,
>>> I'm wondering now if I am mistaken here. When I try to enable
>>> Keychain, the dialog asks for iCloud security code and its a 4 digit
>>> code. This must not be the same thing as the one that requires 6 digits.
>>> 
>>> Mu iPhone and iPad both do not have Keychain enabled.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 9/20/2016 7:35 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I suggest that you then first turn iCloud Keychain off on your
 iPhone.  It shouldn't require a code for that, just your Apple ID
 credentials.  Now, try enabling it on your Mac.  If it is already
 on, when you click on Options, a dialog should appear that gives you
 the option to change your Security Code.  this needs to be a six
 digit code.  It accepts numbers kind of like the pass-code on an
 iPhone whereby you push a number and it pops over to the next
 numeric field automatically.  You'll need to enter this code two
 times, a phone number that accepts SMS messages, then enter your
 Apple ID credentials to confirm the change.  This is to make sure
 that a third party could not simply change that Security Code and
 SMS number without knowing all your info.
 
 Let me know how it goes.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Sep 20, 2016, at 08:21, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Hi Tim,
 At this point I am not sure I ever did enable Keychain. Working from
 the Mac I cannot get past the dialog for the code. If I enter one
 the iPhone gets a text with a verification code which I type in on
 the Mac which then cycles back to requesting the security code. So I
 get nowhere. On that dialog there is text that says Forgot code. Its
 not a link or button.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 9/20/2016 7:06 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Just a quick clarification first.  There is usually no need to
> enter the security code when choosing to approve the device from
> another device.  For example, if I wished to enrol my iPhone to use
> the iCloud Keychain, and if I'd already had it enabled on my Mac,
> then I'd choose "Approve from another device", which in turn would
> send a notification to all my devices that have iCloud Keychain
> enabled.  I would accept it on my Mac, and would be asked to enter
> my Apple ID password.  No Security Code needed.  If this is the
> first device you're enrolling, then you'll need to enter a new
> Security Code.
> 
> If you're unsure as to 

Re: Notifications Keep Interrupting

[Brandon A. Olivares]

Thanks. Good to know. I’ve also shut off notifications now.
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 4:31 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brandon. This was also like that in the beta of Sierra. I brought it to 
> the attention to the beta group I'm with on Roger and one of those members 
> whose also on this list, Daniel I think it was, said that this was going to 
> be normal behavior for Sierra. Knowing this I turned off notifications for a 
> few apps including Mail.
> 
> Shawn
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> 
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 2:00 PM, Brandon A. Olivares  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes I’m familiar with that, but usually when there’s a notification, 
>> Voiceover won’t actually speak it until it’s done speaking the current item. 
>> Now, it is interrupted. I’d prefer to keep the notification but simply not 
>> have it interrupt like that. Is that no longer possible?
>> 
>> Brandon
>>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 1:40 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> You should be able to make any modifications to the notification settings 
>>> for Mail in System Preferences, Notification Centre.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 11:31, Brandon A. Olivares  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry for all the emails. :P
>>> 
>>> Now in 10.12, when there is a notification, Voiceover interrupts the flow 
>>> of whatever I’m doing to tell me about it. Usually it would instead wait 
>>> until its done reading the current item before it notifies me.
>>> 
>>> For instance, if I’m reading something in Safari, and I get a new email, 
>>> Voiceover will immediately tell me about it. Then I have to start the 
>>> paragraph over again in Safari and hope I don’t get anymore notifications.
>>> 
>>> Is there a setting for this? It’s quite annoying.
>>> 
>>> Brandon
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Re: Notifications Keep Interrupting

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi Brandon. This was also like that in the beta of Sierra. I brought it to the 
attention to the beta group I'm with on Roger and one of those members whose 
also on this list, Daniel I think it was, said that this was going to be normal 
behavior for Sierra. Knowing this I turned off notifications for a few apps 
including Mail.

Shawn
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> On Sep 22, 2016, at 2:00 PM, Brandon A. Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes I’m familiar with that, but usually when there’s a notification, 
> Voiceover won’t actually speak it until it’s done speaking the current item. 
> Now, it is interrupted. I’d prefer to keep the notification but simply not 
> have it interrupt like that. Is that no longer possible?
> 
> Brandon
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 1:40 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You should be able to make any modifications to the notification settings 
>> for Mail in System Preferences, Notification Centre.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 11:31, Brandon A. Olivares  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry for all the emails. :P
>> 
>> Now in 10.12, when there is a notification, Voiceover interrupts the flow of 
>> whatever I’m doing to tell me about it. Usually it would instead wait until 
>> its done reading the current item before it notifies me.
>> 
>> For instance, if I’m reading something in Safari, and I get a new email, 
>> Voiceover will immediately tell me about it. Then I have to start the 
>> paragraph over again in Safari and hope I don’t get anymore notifications.
>> 
>> Is there a setting for this? It’s quite annoying.
>> 
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Re: Accessing text field in Messages app on IOS

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi Donna.

I don’t know why we need digital touch in messages on the I phone as it’s good 
on the Apple watch.  For instance you can’t send your heart beat and what’s the 
use of sending a camera?

It is definitely cluttered and when I find where I want to reply, I just double 
tap but at times it’s not done it so it’s trial and error.

Sorry I can’t have any kind of solution but I prefer messages without digital 
touch.  Fine if it’s on the Apple watch where you can send your heart beat 
pattern.  Wish you could hear it before you sent it, that would be fun.  Look 
forward to my new Watch in due course.

Kawal.
> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:03, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> One thing I'm finding in iOs 10 is that with all the clutter of digital touch 
> and the Messaging Apps button, I can no longer activate the message text 
> field without swiping to it.  Is anyone else encountering this behavior, and 
> does anyone know of a way to fix it?
> TIA,
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Re: iCloud Keychain

[E.T.]

   When I do that I am placed on the iCloud Drive item. This happened 
every time when I tried to activate the Options button yesterday.


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On 9/22/2016 1:05 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

When you interact with the Services table, navigate down to Keychain,
then interact again, there'll be an Options button.  Press on that and
you should have the ability to change the code.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 22, 2016, at 13:58, E.T. > wrote:

Tim,
  Signed out and closed System prefs then opened it and signed in again.
Same thing happened except this time the dialog said incorrect code. I
see no place to reset it.

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On 9/20/2016 10:00 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

Yes, signing out then exiting System Preferences sounds like a good
thing to do.  It is good to quit System Prefs, then go back in to
re-sign into iCloud.  This allows for System Prefs to properly kill
processes before logging back in.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:36, E.T. > wrote:

 Yes indeed. I have been googling this too and come up with nothing
helpful. I cannot access the options if I cannot enable Keychain.
later I may sign out and back in and see if that changes anything.

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On 9/20/2016 9:30 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

so, on your Mac, it is asking for a four digit code when you attempt
to enable iCloud Keychain?  Hmmm.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 20, 2016, at 09:55, E.T.  wrote:

Tim,
I'm wondering now if I am mistaken here. When I try to enable
Keychain, the dialog asks for iCloud security code and its a 4 digit
code. This must not be the same thing as the one that requires 6 digits.

Mu iPhone and iPad both do not have Keychain enabled.

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On 9/20/2016 7:35 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

I suggest that you then first turn iCloud Keychain off on your
iPhone.  It shouldn't require a code for that, just your Apple ID
credentials.  Now, try enabling it on your Mac.  If it is already
on, when you click on Options, a dialog should appear that gives you
the option to change your Security Code.  this needs to be a six
digit code.  It accepts numbers kind of like the pass-code on an
iPhone whereby you push a number and it pops over to the next
numeric field automatically.  You'll need to enter this code two
times, a phone number that accepts SMS messages, then enter your
Apple ID credentials to confirm the change.  This is to make sure
that a third party could not simply change that Security Code and
SMS number without knowing all your info.

Let me know how it goes.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 20, 2016, at 08:21, E.T.  wrote:

Hi Tim,
At this point I am not sure I ever did enable Keychain. Working from
the Mac I cannot get past the dialog for the code. If I enter one
the iPhone gets a text with a verification code which I type in on
the Mac which then cycles back to requesting the security code. So I
get nowhere. On that dialog there is text that says Forgot code. Its
not a link or button.

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On 9/20/2016 7:06 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

Just a quick clarification first.  There is usually no need to
enter the security code when choosing to approve the device from
another device.  For example, if I wished to enrol my iPhone to use
the iCloud Keychain, and if I'd already had it enabled on my Mac,
then I'd choose "Approve from another device", which in turn would
send a notification to all my devices that have iCloud Keychain
enabled.  I would accept it on my Mac, and would be asked to enter
my Apple ID password.  No Security Code needed.  If this is the
first device you're enrolling, then you'll need to enter a new
Security Code.

If you're unsure as to whether you've set it up initially on
another device, or have forgot your Security Code, I find it
easiest to work from the Mac to reset this sort of stuff.  This is
done in System Preferences, iCloud.  Once you fix things up within
iCloud on your Mac, you can use the regular methods of approval
mentioned above.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 19, 2016, at 23:05, E.T.  wrote:

Decided to enable this. When I do, I am asked for the iCloud
Keychain security code. I enter one then go to the iPhone to get a
code from there to enter on the Mac to approve the iPhone. Am again
asked for the iCloud 

Re: Update on mac research

[christopher hallsworth]

I did, and no refurbished macs so far. Cheers for the idea though and will keep 
looking.
> On 22 Sep 2016, at 21:04, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> check out the apple refurbished store.
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 2:48 PM, matthew dyer  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Chris,
>> 
>> That sounds good.  I say you should go with what you can afford.  I have an 
>> iMac 21 inch with 8 GB of ram and a 1 TB HD.  I do how ever wish I had an 
>> SSD as It would be nice to work with, but for my needs things work well.  I 
>> am going to be working on getting a clean install of Searria this weekend 
>> and as of rite now I have already moved everything I want to keep to my 
>> dropbox and  now am waiting for dropbox to finish uploading everything, but 
>> will be doing this this weekend.  Will report how it goes.  I did managed to 
>> make a bootable usb drive so will see what happens.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 1:41 PM, Christopher Hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone.
>>> 
>>> Just an update on my mac research for Hannah’s Christmas present.
>>> 
>>> She has chosen the 13 inch Macbook Pro with retina display, customized with 
>>> 512 GB of PCIE-based flash storage, base RAM of 8 GB and base processor of 
>>> 2.9 GHZ with turbo boost up to 3.2 GHZ, something like that anyway. That is 
>>> providing a newer mac doesn’t come before then.
>>> 
>>> Think she will be happy with these specs, as she has no intentions of 
>>> editing video for example, hence the base RAM configuration, and the 
>>> customized storage is slightly more than her external 500 GB HDD. Thoughts?
>>> 
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Capitalone app transfering money

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi guys:
Can anyone transfer money to and from accounts on the capitalone app? As soon 
as I hit the done button, VO stopps reading.
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Re: iCloud Keychain

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

When you interact with the Services table, navigate down to Keychain, then 
interact again, there'll be an Options button.  Press on that and you should 
have the ability to change the code.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 22, 2016, at 13:58, E.T.  wrote:

Tim,
  Signed out and closed System prefs then opened it and signed in again. Same 
thing happened except this time the dialog said incorrect code. I see no place 
to reset it.

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On 9/20/2016 10:00 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, signing out then exiting System Preferences sounds like a good thing to 
> do.  It is good to quit System Prefs, then go back in to re-sign into iCloud. 
>  This allows for System Prefs to properly kill processes before logging back 
> in.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:36, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>  Yes indeed. I have been googling this too and come up with nothing helpful. 
> I cannot access the options if I cannot enable Keychain. later I may sign out 
> and back in and see if that changes anything.
> 
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> 
> On 9/20/2016 9:30 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> so, on your Mac, it is asking for a four digit code when you attempt to 
>> enable iCloud Keychain?  Hmmm.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 09:55, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Tim,
>> I'm wondering now if I am mistaken here. When I try to enable Keychain, the 
>> dialog asks for iCloud security code and its a 4 digit code. This must not 
>> be the same thing as the one that requires 6 digits.
>> 
>> Mu iPhone and iPad both do not have Keychain enabled.
>> 
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>> 
>> On 9/20/2016 7:35 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I suggest that you then first turn iCloud Keychain off on your iPhone.  It 
>>> shouldn't require a code for that, just your Apple ID credentials.  Now, 
>>> try enabling it on your Mac.  If it is already on, when you click on 
>>> Options, a dialog should appear that gives you the option to change your 
>>> Security Code.  this needs to be a six digit code.  It accepts numbers kind 
>>> of like the pass-code on an iPhone whereby you push a number and it pops 
>>> over to the next numeric field automatically.  You'll need to enter this 
>>> code two times, a phone number that accepts SMS messages, then enter your 
>>> Apple ID credentials to confirm the change.  This is to make sure that a 
>>> third party could not simply change that Security Code and SMS number 
>>> without knowing all your info.
>>> 
>>> Let me know how it goes.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 08:21, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> At this point I am not sure I ever did enable Keychain. Working from the 
>>> Mac I cannot get past the dialog for the code. If I enter one the iPhone 
>>> gets a text with a verification code which I type in on the Mac which then 
>>> cycles back to requesting the security code. So I get nowhere. On that 
>>> dialog there is text that says Forgot code. Its not a link or button.
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> On 9/20/2016 7:06 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Just a quick clarification first.  There is usually no need to enter the 
 security code when choosing to approve the device from another device.  
 For example, if I wished to enrol my iPhone to use the iCloud Keychain, 
 and if I'd already had it enabled on my Mac, then I'd choose "Approve from 
 another device", which in turn would send a notification to all my devices 
 that have iCloud Keychain enabled.  I would accept it on my Mac, and would 
 be asked to enter my Apple ID password.  No Security Code needed.  If this 
 is the first device you're enrolling, then you'll need to enter a new 
 Security Code.
 
 If you're unsure as to whether you've set it up initially on another 
 device, or have forgot your Security Code, I find it easiest to work from 
 the Mac to reset this sort of stuff.  This is done in System Preferences, 
 iCloud.  Once you fix things up within iCloud on your Mac, you can use the 
 regular methods of approval mentioned above.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Sep 19, 2016, at 23:05, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Decided to enable this. When I do, I am asked for the iCloud Keychain 
 security code. I enter one then go to the iPhone to get a code from there 

Re: Update on mac research

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

check out the apple refurbished store.
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 2:48 PM, matthew dyer  
> wrote:
> 
> Chris,
> 
> That sounds good.  I say you should go with what you can afford.  I have an 
> iMac 21 inch with 8 GB of ram and a 1 TB HD.  I do how ever wish I had an SSD 
> as It would be nice to work with, but for my needs things work well.  I am 
> going to be working on getting a clean install of Searria this weekend and as 
> of rite now I have already moved everything I want to keep to my dropbox and  
> now am waiting for dropbox to finish uploading everything, but will be doing 
> this this weekend.  Will report how it goes.  I did managed to make a 
> bootable usb drive so will see what happens.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 1:41 PM, Christopher Hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone.
>> 
>> Just an update on my mac research for Hannah’s Christmas present.
>> 
>> She has chosen the 13 inch Macbook Pro with retina display, customized with 
>> 512 GB of PCIE-based flash storage, base RAM of 8 GB and base processor of 
>> 2.9 GHZ with turbo boost up to 3.2 GHZ, something like that anyway. That is 
>> providing a newer mac doesn’t come before then.
>> 
>> Think she will be happy with these specs, as she has no intentions of 
>> editing video for example, hence the base RAM configuration, and the 
>> customized storage is slightly more than her external 500 GB HDD. Thoughts?
>> 
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Re: Time Machine

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Glad I could help.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
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On Sep 22, 2016, at 13:55, E.T.  wrote:

Tim,
  I finally got around to this and tried your steps last night. Worked fine 
except when I brought up the Actions menu, I must have selected delete all for 
that is what happened. But TM did a new backup so its good. It was a rather 
convoluted process but worked fine. Thanks much.

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On 7/17/2016 7:49 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Similar process.
> 
> 1.  Up to the Extras menu and choose Time Machine.
> 2.  Select Enter Time Machine.
> 
> This will automatically bring you to the newest Time Machine backup.  To 
> access older ones...
> 
> 3.  Use the Window Chooser (VO-f2-f2) and choose Time Machine Controls.
> 
> There will be a Vertical Slider in this Controls window where you can go 
> through the backups you have, or you can press the Previous button to go back 
> through them.  When you have the date and time of the backup you wish to 
> remove, or use in some other fashion, use the Window Chooser to get back to 
> the other window once again.  If you wish to remove the entire backup for 
> that timeline...
> 
> 4.  Go to the Sidebar, under Devices and choose your computer.
> 5.  Interact with the Scroll area and select your HD.
> 6.  Up to the Toolbar, under the Actions menu and choose Delete this Backup.
> 
> Should do the trick.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 17, 2016, at 16:18, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>  Ok selecting Enter TM opens a Finder window. Makes sense now. But rather 
> than choosing folders, how do you choose a time line to delete, say the 
> oldest week or month's worth of backups?
> 
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> On 7/17/2016 11:51 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> From the Time Machine area that you mention here, you can delete backups of 
>> specific folders or files.  For example, from the Finder, press cmd-shift-h 
>> to open your Home folder, then go up to the Time Machine extras menu and 
>> activate the Enter Time Machine item.  As long as your Time Machine disk is 
>> available, you'll hear a few swishes and ticks, then a new window will open 
>> displaying the same list of folders in your Home folder, but this one is 
>> your Time Machine versions of these items.  So, if you wished to delete all 
>> the old backups of your iTunes folder, you'd open the Music folder, select 
>> the iTunes folder, then navigate to the Toolbar and interact with it.  In 
>> the Toolbar, there is an Action menu item, VO-space on that and choose 
>> Delete All Backups of this item.  Therefore, all previous backups of your 
>> iTunes folder will be deleted, freeing up space.  The iTunes folder should 
>> start backing up again on your next Time Machine cycle.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 17, 2016, at 10:53, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Tim and others,
>> I do not think this was mentioned. If TM is on menu extras (enabled in Time 
>> Machine preferences), there is a menu selection labeled Enter Time Machine. 
>> In this window that displays are the time lines.
>> 
>> I know one can delete TM backups here but how, I have not figured out. My TM 
>> drive is not near full so have no need but this would be good information.
>> 
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Re: iCloud Keychain

[E.T.]

Tim,
   Signed out and closed System prefs then opened it and signed in 
again. Same thing happened except this time the dialog said incorrect 
code. I see no place to reset it.


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On 9/20/2016 10:00 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

Yes, signing out then exiting System Preferences sounds like a good thing to 
do.  It is good to quit System Prefs, then go back in to re-sign into iCloud.  
This allows for System Prefs to properly kill processes before logging back in.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:36, E.T.  wrote:

  Yes indeed. I have been googling this too and come up with nothing helpful. I 
cannot access the options if I cannot enable Keychain. later I may sign out and 
back in and see if that changes anything.

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On 9/20/2016 9:30 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

so, on your Mac, it is asking for a four digit code when you attempt to enable 
iCloud Keychain?  Hmmm.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 20, 2016, at 09:55, E.T.  wrote:

Tim,
 I'm wondering now if I am mistaken here. When I try to enable Keychain, the 
dialog asks for iCloud security code and its a 4 digit code. This must not be 
the same thing as the one that requires 6 digits.

 Mu iPhone and iPad both do not have Keychain enabled.

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On 9/20/2016 7:35 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

I suggest that you then first turn iCloud Keychain off on your iPhone.  It 
shouldn't require a code for that, just your Apple ID credentials.  Now, try 
enabling it on your Mac.  If it is already on, when you click on Options, a 
dialog should appear that gives you the option to change your Security Code.  
this needs to be a six digit code.  It accepts numbers kind of like the 
pass-code on an iPhone whereby you push a number and it pops over to the next 
numeric field automatically.  You'll need to enter this code two times, a phone 
number that accepts SMS messages, then enter your Apple ID credentials to 
confirm the change.  This is to make sure that a third party could not simply 
change that Security Code and SMS number without knowing all your info.

Let me know how it goes.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 20, 2016, at 08:21, E.T.  wrote:

Hi Tim,
At this point I am not sure I ever did enable Keychain. Working from the Mac I 
cannot get past the dialog for the code. If I enter one the iPhone gets a text 
with a verification code which I type in on the Mac which then cycles back to 
requesting the security code. So I get nowhere. On that dialog there is text 
that says Forgot code. Its not a link or button.

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On 9/20/2016 7:06 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

Just a quick clarification first.  There is usually no need to enter the security code 
when choosing to approve the device from another device.  For example, if I wished to 
enrol my iPhone to use the iCloud Keychain, and if I'd already had it enabled on my Mac, 
then I'd choose "Approve from another device", which in turn would send a 
notification to all my devices that have iCloud Keychain enabled.  I would accept it on 
my Mac, and would be asked to enter my Apple ID password.  No Security Code needed.  If 
this is the first device you're enrolling, then you'll need to enter a new Security Code.

If you're unsure as to whether you've set it up initially on another device, or 
have forgot your Security Code, I find it easiest to work from the Mac to reset 
this sort of stuff.  This is done in System Preferences, iCloud.  Once you fix 
things up within iCloud on your Mac, you can use the regular methods of 
approval mentioned above.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 19, 2016, at 23:05, E.T.  wrote:

Decided to enable this. When I do, I am asked for the iCloud Keychain security 
code. I enter one then go to the iPhone to get a code from there to enter on 
the Mac to approve the iPhone. Am again asked for the iCloud Keychain security 
code.

So now I need to reset it. On the Mac in iCloud prefs I need to select the 
Option button in the table. Nothing happens. I know I am missing something 
somewhere. If I check iCloud Keychain in the table, I get the dialog dealing 
with the iPhone. But if I want to click that Options button, I have to interact 
with the iCloud Keychain item. And that gets me nowhere. What now?

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Re: Time Machine

[E.T.]

Tim,
   I finally got around to this and tried your steps last night. Worked 
fine except when I brought up the Actions menu, I must have selected 
delete all for that is what happened. But TM did a new backup so its 
good. It was a rather convoluted process but worked fine. Thanks much.


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On 7/17/2016 7:49 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

Similar process.

1.  Up to the Extras menu and choose Time Machine.
2.  Select Enter Time Machine.

This will automatically bring you to the newest Time Machine backup.  To access 
older ones...

3.  Use the Window Chooser (VO-f2-f2) and choose Time Machine Controls.

There will be a Vertical Slider in this Controls window where you can go 
through the backups you have, or you can press the Previous button to go back 
through them.  When you have the date and time of the backup you wish to 
remove, or use in some other fashion, use the Window Chooser to get back to the 
other window once again.  If you wish to remove the entire backup for that 
timeline...

4.  Go to the Sidebar, under Devices and choose your computer.
5.  Interact with the Scroll area and select your HD.
6.  Up to the Toolbar, under the Actions menu and choose Delete this Backup.

Should do the trick.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 17, 2016, at 16:18, E.T.  wrote:

  Ok selecting Enter TM opens a Finder window. Makes sense now. But rather than 
choosing folders, how do you choose a time line to delete, say the oldest week 
or month's worth of backups?

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On 7/17/2016 11:51 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

From the Time Machine area that you mention here, you can delete backups of 
specific folders or files.  For example, from the Finder, press cmd-shift-h to 
open your Home folder, then go up to the Time Machine extras menu and activate 
the Enter Time Machine item.  As long as your Time Machine disk is available, 
you'll hear a few swishes and ticks, then a new window will open displaying the 
same list of folders in your Home folder, but this one is your Time Machine 
versions of these items.  So, if you wished to delete all the old backups of 
your iTunes folder, you'd open the Music folder, select the iTunes folder, then 
navigate to the Toolbar and interact with it.  In the Toolbar, there is an 
Action menu item, VO-space on that and choose Delete All Backups of this item.  
Therefore, all previous backups of your iTunes folder will be deleted, freeing 
up space.  The iTunes folder should start backing up again on your next Time 
Machine cycle.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 17, 2016, at 10:53, E.T.  wrote:

Tim and others,
 I do not think this was mentioned. If TM is on menu extras (enabled in Time 
Machine preferences), there is a menu selection labeled Enter Time Machine. In 
this window that displays are the time lines.

 I know one can delete TM backups here but how, I have not figured out. My TM 
drive is not near full so have no need but this would be good information.

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Re: how to create a bootable installer for os 10 12

[matthew dyer]

Hi I got it working today.  Things are uploading the stuff to dropbox at the 
moment but will be attempting the clean install this weekend at the l.atesed.

Matthew


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> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 10:03, matthew dyer  
>> wrote:
>> Hi,
> Most likely, the password that they are referring to, maybe in a minute 
> straight of account password. You don't actually need to use the root user 
> that usually comes with UNIX like operating systems to perform such tasks.
>> And administrative account should be sufficient enough, it is actually like 
>> the root user. So creating the boot disk with your administrative account, 
>> should suffice just fine.Hi,
>> 
>> 
>> I forget the site, but I have it saved in my favorites list and will be 
>> doing this at some point.  When they say root password, are they refering to 
>> the paassword you set when you first setup the mac?  I ask as I don't recall 
>> seting up a root password here on my mac.  Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 09/20/2016 06:18 PM, Kliphton Miller wrote:
>>> http://www.redmondpie.com/make-macos-sierra-10.12-bootable-usb-flash-drive-installer-here’s-how-tutorial/
>>> 
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Re: Update on mac research

[matthew dyer]

Chris,

That sounds good.  I say you should go with what you can afford.  I have an 
iMac 21 inch with 8 GB of ram and a 1 TB HD.  I do how ever wish I had an SSD 
as It would be nice to work with, but for my needs things work well.  I am 
going to be working on getting a clean install of Searria this weekend and as 
of rite now I have already moved everything I want to keep to my dropbox and  
now am waiting for dropbox to finish uploading everything, but will be doing 
this this weekend.  Will report how it goes.  I did managed to make a bootable 
usb drive so will see what happens.

Matthew


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> Hello everyone.
> 
> Just an update on my mac research for Hannah’s Christmas present.
> 
> She has chosen the 13 inch Macbook Pro with retina display, customized with 
> 512 GB of PCIE-based flash storage, base RAM of 8 GB and base processor of 
> 2.9 GHZ with turbo boost up to 3.2 GHZ, something like that anyway. That is 
> providing a newer mac doesn’t come before then.
> 
> Think she will be happy with these specs, as she has no intentions of editing 
> video for example, hence the base RAM configuration, and the customized 
> storage is slightly more than her external 500 GB HDD. Thoughts?
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Re: Trusted apps?

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That did the trick. I forgot about that command.
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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> Kliph,
> 
> Oops, that should be VO-shift-m as Chris H mentioned.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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> 
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 13:21, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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> Kliph,
> 
> Where does it stop you?  When you try to open the installer, or somewhere 
> during the installation process.  If the former, you used to be able to press 
> VO-shift-space to bring up the Contextual menu then choose Open from there 
> and it would allow the installer to proceed.
> 
> Later...
> 
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> 
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 13:15, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> Okay, before in security settings we had 3 choices for installing apps.  App 
> Store, App Store and trusted developers, or anywhere.  The anywhere option is 
> gone, and now I can’t install VLC.  Is there a fix for this?
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Re: Trusted apps?

[Tim Kilburn]

Kliph,

Oops, that should be VO-shift-m as Chris H mentioned.

Later...

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Kliph,

Where does it stop you?  When you try to open the installer, or somewhere 
during the installation process.  If the former, you used to be able to press 
VO-shift-space to bring up the Contextual menu then choose Open from there and 
it would allow the installer to proceed.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 22, 2016, at 13:15, Kliphton Miller  wrote:

Okay, before in security settings we had 3 choices for installing apps.  App 
Store, App Store and trusted developers, or anywhere.  The anywhere option is 
gone, and now I can’t install VLC.  Is there a fix for this?

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Re: Time Machine

[E.T.]

Chris,
   You do not need to bother yourself with this. Your contributions (?) 
more often than not are not helpful.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/22/2016 12:06 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

I wasn't attempting to be funny.  I was being dead serious.  I really do
wonder where that line is drawn, where one should say maybe it's time we
change the subject to reflect, vs. oh, this isn't gonna veer too badly,
keep the subject as is.  I'm not trying to be smart butt over here.  I'm
asking an honest to God question.
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- Original Message -
*From:* Tim Kilburn 
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

*Sent:* Thursday, September 22, 2016 3:04 PM
*Subject:* Re: Time Machine

Chris,

Attempting to be funny, or just needing clarification yourself?  In
my opinion, the thread didn't actually veer off, there was just some
confusion as to some responses that were posted.  Hence, confusion
is cleared up with clarification.  yeah, there were some opinions
expressed, but that's normal on this list.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 22, 2016, at 13:00, Christopher-Mark Gilland
> wrote:

What's considered as veering vs. clarification, or is that subjective?
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- Original Message -
*From:* Tim Kilburn 
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

*Sent:* Thursday, September 22, 2016 2:58 PM
*Subject:* Re: Time Machine

Certainly is regarding Time Machine.  There was just some
clarification posts after the original question.

Later..

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:54, Robin > wrote:

Is this Topic concernin' TimeMachine? JustWonderin'

Because that's TheSubject of ThisThread or SoItAppears
At 11:42 AM 9/22/2016, you wrote:

Ok. Still can’t see it, all I see is his signature repeated, my
response then the list footer repeated several times.
> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:34, Tim Kilburn > wrote:
>
> hi,
>
> His answers are posted below the "Sent from my iPhone"
signature.  For your initial eMail, you'll note a "Correct"
inserted in your original text.  The practice of inserting a
response in that manner is not uncommon, it's just often
difficult to follow if the preceding signatures and other header
info is not removed first.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:30, christopher hallsworth
> wrote:
>
> No he’s not, I cannot see his response at all. Frustrates me
how or why people with iOS devices send emails with just their
signatures. I’ve emailed on my own iOS devices with no problems.
>> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:22, E.T. > wrote:
>>
>> 2nd time too. He may be bottom posting.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>
>> On 9/22/2016 11:10 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>>> Hello, blank bar my original email.
 On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:07, Daniel C > wrote:



 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 22, 2016, at 11:46, christopher hallsworth
> wrote:

> Hello again. Correct.
>
> I have finally set up Time Machine, and it’s pretty good.
It’s currently doing a full backup of a partition on my
external disk, this is because the first partition hosts the
bootable installation media for macOS Sierra. In fact, I’ve
just been greeted with a notification that the first backup is
now complete. Wow! So now, hopefully, any modifications I make on
here will be backed up the next time I connect my external drive,
correct? Just so I understand that is all.
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Re: Trusted apps?

[christopher hallsworth]

Yes, but this is nothing new in Sierra. Simply vo-shift-m, choose open from the 
context menu and it will open as normal.
> On 22 Sep 2016, at 20:15, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> Okay, before in security settings we had 3 choices for installing apps.  App 
> Store, App Store and trusted developers, or anywhere.  The anywhere option is 
> gone, and now I can’t install VLC.  Is there a fix for this?
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Re: Trusted apps?

[Tim Kilburn]

Kliph,

Where does it stop you?  When you try to open the installer, or somewhere 
during the installation process.  If the former, you used to be able to press 
VO-shift-space to bring up the Contextual menu then choose Open from there and 
it would allow the installer to proceed.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 22, 2016, at 13:15, Kliphton Miller  wrote:

Okay, before in security settings we had 3 choices for installing apps.  App 
Store, App Store and trusted developers, or anywhere.  The anywhere option is 
gone, and now I can’t install VLC.  Is there a fix for this?

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Re: Time Machine

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Tim, you're exactly right.  I'll stop not practicing what I preach.  Alas, I 
digress from this discussion.  And by the way, no, I wasn't then, nor am I now 
offended.  Don't worry.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Tim Kilburn 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 3:11 PM
  Subject: Re: Time Machine


  Chris,


  No offence intended.  I hope none taken.  There likely is a subjective line, 
but since it's subjective, it's difficult to draw.  One could say that you and 
I discussing this is off topic in itself, and they'd likely be right.  But, is 
it necessary to change the Subject line for a few notes back and forth, 
especially if it's probably stopping anyway?


  Later...


  Tim Kilburn
  Fort McMurray, AB Canada 


  On Sep 22, 2016, at 13:06, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


  I wasn't attempting to be funny.  I was being dead serious.  I really do 
wonder where that line is drawn, where one should say maybe it's time we change 
the subject to reflect, vs. oh, this isn't gonna veer too badly, keep the 
subject as is.  I'm not trying to be smart butt over here.  I'm asking an 
honest to God question.
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- Original Message - 
From: Tim Kilburn
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: Time Machine


Chris,


Attempting to be funny, or just needing clarification yourself?  In my 
opinion, the thread didn't actually veer off, there was just some confusion as 
to some responses that were posted.  Hence, confusion is cleared up with 
clarification.  yeah, there were some opinions expressed, but that's normal on 
this list.


Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada 


On Sep 22, 2016, at 13:00, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


What's considered as veering vs. clarification, or is that subjective?
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Tim Kilburn
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 2:58 PM
  Subject: Re: Time Machine


  Certainly is regarding Time Machine.  There was just some clarification 
posts after the original question.


  Later..


  Tim Kilburn
  Fort McMurray, AB Canada 


  On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:54, Robin  wrote:


  Is this Topic concernin' TimeMachine? JustWonderin'

  Because that's TheSubject of ThisThread or SoItAppears
  At 11:42 AM 9/22/2016, you wrote:

Ok. Still can’t see it, all I see is his signature repeated, my 
response then the list footer repeated several times.
> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:34, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>
> hi,
>
> His answers are posted below the "Sent from my iPhone" signature.  
For your initial eMail, you'll note a "Correct" inserted in your original text. 
 The practice of inserting a response in that manner is not uncommon, it's just 
often difficult to follow if the preceding signatures and other header info is 
not removed first.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:30, christopher hallsworth 
 wrote:
>
> No he’s not, I cannot see his response at all. Frustrates me how or 
why people with iOS devices send emails with just their signatures. I’ve 
emailed on my own iOS devices with no problems.
>> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:22, E.T.  wrote:
>>
>> 2nd time too. He may be bottom posting.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 9/22/2016 11:10 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>>> Hello, blank bar my original email.
 On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:07, Daniel C  wrote:



 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 22, 2016, at 11:46, christopher hallsworth 
 wrote:

> Hello again. Correct.
>
> I have finally set up Time Machine, and it’s pretty good. 
It’s currently doing a full backup of a partition on my external disk, this 
is because the first partition hosts the bootable installation media for macOS 
Sierra. In fact, I’ve just been greeted with a notification that the first 
backup is now complete. Wow! So now, hopefully, any 

Trusted apps?

[Kliphton Miller]

Okay, before in security settings we had 3 choices for installing apps.  App 
Store, App Store and trusted developers, or anywhere.  The anywhere option is 
gone, and now I can’t install VLC.  Is there a fix for this?

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Re: Notification of a new OS

[christopher hallsworth]

That’s because you don’t go there, you go to the home page of the Mac App 
Store, the page that first appears when you open it.
> On 22 Sep 2016, at 01:08, Agent086b  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> should we receive notification there is a new version of the Mac OS? I know 
> Sierra is out but I see nothing in updates.
> Thanks for any help.
> Max.
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Re: Time Machine

[Tim Kilburn]

Chris,

No offence intended.  I hope none taken.  There likely is a subjective line, 
but since it's subjective, it's difficult to draw.  One could say that you and 
I discussing this is off topic in itself, and they'd likely be right.  But, is 
it necessary to change the Subject line for a few notes back and forth, 
especially if it's probably stopping anyway?

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 22, 2016, at 13:06, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

I wasn't attempting to be funny.  I was being dead serious.  I really do wonder 
where that line is drawn, where one should say maybe it's time we change the 
subject to reflect, vs. oh, this isn't gonna veer too badly, keep the subject 
as is.  I'm not trying to be smart butt over here.  I'm asking an honest to God 
question.
---
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i...@gillandmarketing.com 
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> - Original Message - 
> From: Tim Kilburn 
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 3:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Time Machine
> 
> Chris,
> 
> Attempting to be funny, or just needing clarification yourself?  In my 
> opinion, the thread didn't actually veer off, there was just some confusion 
> as to some responses that were posted.  Hence, confusion is cleared up with 
> clarification.  yeah, there were some opinions expressed, but that's normal 
> on this list.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada 
> 
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 13:00, Christopher-Mark Gilland  > wrote:
> 
> What's considered as veering vs. clarification, or is that subjective?
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>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Tim Kilburn 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 2:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: Time Machine
>> 
>> Certainly is regarding Time Machine.  There was just some clarification 
>> posts after the original question.
>> 
>> Later..
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada 
>> 
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:54, Robin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Is this Topic concernin' TimeMachine? JustWonderin'
>> 
>> Because that's TheSubject of ThisThread or SoItAppears
>> At 11:42 AM 9/22/2016, you wrote:
>>> Ok. Still can’t see it, all I see is his signature repeated, my response 
>>> then the list footer repeated several times.
>>> > On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:34, Tim Kilburn >> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > hi,
>>> >
>>> > His answers are posted below the "Sent from my iPhone" signature.  For 
>>> > your initial eMail, you'll note a "Correct" inserted in your original 
>>> > text.  The practice of inserting a response in that manner is not 
>>> > uncommon, it's just often difficult to follow if the preceding signatures 
>>> > and other header info is not removed first.
>>> >
>>> > Later...
>>> >
>>> > Tim Kilburn
>>> > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> >
>>> > On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:30, christopher hallsworth 
>>> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > No he’s not, I cannot see his response at all. Frustrates me how or why 
>>> > people with iOS devices send emails with just their signatures. I’ve 
>>> > emailed on my own iOS devices with no problems.
>>> >> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:22, E.T. >> >> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> 2nd time too. He may be bottom posting.
>>> >>
>>> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> >> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> >> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>> >>
>>> >> On 9/22/2016 11:10 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>>> >>> Hello, blank bar my original email.
>>>  On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:07, Daniel C >>  > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>  On Sep 22, 2016, at 11:46, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  > wrote:
>>> 
>>> > Hello again. Correct.
>>> >
>>> > I have finally set up Time Machine, and it’s pretty good. It’s 
>>> > currently doing a full backup of a partition on my external disk, 
>>> > this is because the first partition hosts the bootable installation 
>>> > media for macOS Sierra. In fact, I’ve just been greeted with a 
>>> > notification that the first backup is now complete. Wow! So now, 
>>> > hopefully, any modifications I make on here will be backed up the 
>>> > next time I connect my external 

Re: Notifications Keep Interrupting

[Tim Kilburn]

hi,

If VO was polite and not interrupting for you in the past, then I prefer your 
VO to mine.  The Notifications interrupted me most of the time in previous 
versions of the MacOS as well.  I usually just turn off the ones that annoy me 
the most, or change them to something that's less likely to affect speech.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 22, 2016, at 13:00, Brandon A. Olivares  wrote:

Yes I’m familiar with that, but usually when there’s a notification, Voiceover 
won’t actually speak it until it’s done speaking the current item. Now, it is 
interrupted. I’d prefer to keep the notification but simply not have it 
interrupt like that. Is that no longer possible?

Brandon
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 1:40 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> You should be able to make any modifications to the notification settings for 
> Mail in System Preferences, Notification Centre.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 11:31, Brandon A. Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
> Sorry for all the emails. :P
> 
> Now in 10.12, when there is a notification, Voiceover interrupts the flow of 
> whatever I’m doing to tell me about it. Usually it would instead wait until 
> its done reading the current item before it notifies me.
> 
> For instance, if I’m reading something in Safari, and I get a new email, 
> Voiceover will immediately tell me about it. Then I have to start the 
> paragraph over again in Safari and hope I don’t get anymore notifications.
> 
> Is there a setting for this? It’s quite annoying.
> 
> Brandon
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Re: Time Machine

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I wasn't attempting to be funny.  I was being dead serious.  I really do wonder 
where that line is drawn, where one should say maybe it's time we change the 
subject to reflect, vs. oh, this isn't gonna veer too badly, keep the subject 
as is.  I'm not trying to be smart butt over here.  I'm asking an honest to God 
question.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Tim Kilburn 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 3:04 PM
  Subject: Re: Time Machine


  Chris,


  Attempting to be funny, or just needing clarification yourself?  In my 
opinion, the thread didn't actually veer off, there was just some confusion as 
to some responses that were posted.  Hence, confusion is cleared up with 
clarification.  yeah, there were some opinions expressed, but that's normal on 
this list.


  Later...


  Tim Kilburn
  Fort McMurray, AB Canada 


  On Sep 22, 2016, at 13:00, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


  What's considered as veering vs. clarification, or is that subjective?
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- Original Message - 
From: Tim Kilburn
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: Time Machine


Certainly is regarding Time Machine.  There was just some clarification 
posts after the original question.


Later..


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada 


On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:54, Robin  wrote:


Is this Topic concernin' TimeMachine? JustWonderin'

Because that's TheSubject of ThisThread or SoItAppears
At 11:42 AM 9/22/2016, you wrote:

  Ok. Still can’t see it, all I see is his signature repeated, my 
response then the list footer repeated several times.
  > On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:34, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
  >
  > hi,
  >
  > His answers are posted below the "Sent from my iPhone" signature.  For 
your initial eMail, you'll note a "Correct" inserted in your original text.  
The practice of inserting a response in that manner is not uncommon, it's just 
often difficult to follow if the preceding signatures and other header info is 
not removed first.
  >
  > Later...
  >
  > Tim Kilburn
  > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
  >
  > On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:30, christopher hallsworth 
 wrote:
  >
  > No he’s not, I cannot see his response at all. Frustrates me how or 
why people with iOS devices send emails with just their signatures. I’ve 
emailed on my own iOS devices with no problems.
  >> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:22, E.T.  wrote:
  >>
  >> 2nd time too. He may be bottom posting.
  >>
  >> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  >> Are We Alone in the Universe?
  >> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
  >>
  >> On 9/22/2016 11:10 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
  >>> Hello, blank bar my original email.
   On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:07, Daniel C  wrote:
  
  
  
   Sent from my iPhone
  
   On Sep 22, 2016, at 11:46, christopher hallsworth 
 wrote:
  
  > Hello again. Correct.
  >
  > I have finally set up Time Machine, and it’s pretty good. It’s 
currently doing a full backup of a partition on my external disk, this is 
because the first partition hosts the bootable installation media for macOS 
Sierra. In fact, I’ve just been greeted with a notification that the first 
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so I understand that is all.
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Re: Time Machine

[Tim Kilburn]

Chris,

Attempting to be funny, or just needing clarification yourself?  In my opinion, 
the thread didn't actually veer off, there was just some confusion as to some 
responses that were posted.  Hence, confusion is cleared up with clarification. 
 yeah, there were some opinions expressed, but that's normal on this list.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 22, 2016, at 13:00, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

What's considered as veering vs. clarification, or is that subjective?
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> - Original Message - 
> From: Tim Kilburn 
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 2:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Time Machine
> 
> Certainly is regarding Time Machine.  There was just some clarification posts 
> after the original question.
> 
> Later..
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada 
> 
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:54, Robin  > wrote:
> 
> Is this Topic concernin' TimeMachine? JustWonderin'
> 
> Because that's TheSubject of ThisThread or SoItAppears
> At 11:42 AM 9/22/2016, you wrote:
>> Ok. Still can’t see it, all I see is his signature repeated, my response 
>> then the list footer repeated several times.
>> > On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:34, Tim Kilburn > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > hi,
>> >
>> > His answers are posted below the "Sent from my iPhone" signature.  For 
>> > your initial eMail, you'll note a "Correct" inserted in your original 
>> > text.  The practice of inserting a response in that manner is not 
>> > uncommon, it's just often difficult to follow if the preceding signatures 
>> > and other header info is not removed first.
>> >
>> > Later...
>> >
>> > Tim Kilburn
>> > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> >
>> > On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:30, christopher hallsworth > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > No he’s not, I cannot see his response at all. Frustrates me how or why 
>> > people with iOS devices send emails with just their signatures. I’ve 
>> > emailed on my own iOS devices with no problems.
>> >> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:22, E.T. > >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 2nd time too. He may be bottom posting.
>> >>
>> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> >> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> >> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>> >>
>> >> On 9/22/2016 11:10 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>> >>> Hello, blank bar my original email.
>>  On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:07, Daniel C >  > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>  On Sep 22, 2016, at 11:46, christopher hallsworth 
>>  > wrote:
>> 
>> > Hello again. Correct.
>> >
>> > I have finally set up Time Machine, and it’s pretty good. It’s 
>> > currently doing a full backup of a partition on my external disk, this 
>> > is because the first partition hosts the bootable installation media 
>> > for macOS Sierra. In fact, I’ve just been greeted with a 
>> > notification that the first backup is now complete. Wow! So now, 
>> > hopefully, any modifications I make on here will be backed up the next 
>> > time I connect my external drive, correct? Just so I understand that 
>> > is all.
>> >
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Re: Time Machine

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

What's considered as veering vs. clarification, or is that subjective?
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Tim Kilburn 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 2:58 PM
  Subject: Re: Time Machine


  Certainly is regarding Time Machine.  There was just some clarification posts 
after the original question.


  Later..


  Tim Kilburn
  Fort McMurray, AB Canada 


  On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:54, Robin  wrote:


  Is this Topic concernin' TimeMachine? JustWonderin'

  Because that's TheSubject of ThisThread or SoItAppears
  At 11:42 AM 9/22/2016, you wrote:

Ok. Still can’t see it, all I see is his signature repeated, my response 
then the list footer repeated several times.
> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:34, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>
> hi,
>
> His answers are posted below the "Sent from my iPhone" signature.  For 
your initial eMail, you'll note a "Correct" inserted in your original text.  
The practice of inserting a response in that manner is not uncommon, it's just 
often difficult to follow if the preceding signatures and other header info is 
not removed first.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:30, christopher hallsworth 
 wrote:
>
> No he’s not, I cannot see his response at all. Frustrates me how or why 
people with iOS devices send emails with just their signatures. I’ve emailed 
on my own iOS devices with no problems.
>> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:22, E.T.  wrote:
>>
>> 2nd time too. He may be bottom posting.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 9/22/2016 11:10 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>>> Hello, blank bar my original email.
 On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:07, Daniel C  wrote:



 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 22, 2016, at 11:46, christopher hallsworth 
 wrote:

> Hello again. Correct.
>
> I have finally set up Time Machine, and it’s pretty good. It’s 
currently doing a full backup of a partition on my external disk, this is 
because the first partition hosts the bootable installation media for macOS 
Sierra. In fact, I’ve just been greeted with a notification that the first 
backup is now complete. Wow! So now, hopefully, any modifications I make on 
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so I understand that is all.
>
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Re: Notifications Keep Interrupting

[Brandon A. Olivares]

Yes I’m familiar with that, but usually when there’s a notification, Voiceover 
won’t actually speak it until it’s done speaking the current item. Now, it is 
interrupted. I’d prefer to keep the notification but simply not have it 
interrupt like that. Is that no longer possible?

Brandon
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 1:40 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> You should be able to make any modifications to the notification settings for 
> Mail in System Preferences, Notification Centre.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 11:31, Brandon A. Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
> Sorry for all the emails. :P
> 
> Now in 10.12, when there is a notification, Voiceover interrupts the flow of 
> whatever I’m doing to tell me about it. Usually it would instead wait until 
> its done reading the current item before it notifies me.
> 
> For instance, if I’m reading something in Safari, and I get a new email, 
> Voiceover will immediately tell me about it. Then I have to start the 
> paragraph over again in Safari and hope I don’t get anymore notifications.
> 
> Is there a setting for this? It’s quite annoying.
> 
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Re: Time Machine

[Tim Kilburn]

Certainly is regarding Time Machine.  There was just some clarification posts 
after the original question.

Later..

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:54, Robin  wrote:

Is this Topic concernin' TimeMachine? JustWonderin'

Because that's TheSubject of ThisThread or SoItAppears
At 11:42 AM 9/22/2016, you wrote:
> Ok. Still can’t see it, all I see is his signature repeated, my response 
> then the list footer repeated several times.
> > On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:34, Tim Kilburn  > > wrote:
> >
> > hi,
> >
> > His answers are posted below the "Sent from my iPhone" signature.  For your 
> > initial eMail, you'll note a "Correct" inserted in your original text.  The 
> > practice of inserting a response in that manner is not uncommon, it's just 
> > often difficult to follow if the preceding signatures and other header info 
> > is not removed first.
> >
> > Later...
> >
> > Tim Kilburn
> > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> >
> > On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:30, christopher hallsworth  > > wrote:
> >
> > No he’s not, I cannot see his response at all. Frustrates me how or why 
> > people with iOS devices send emails with just their signatures. I’ve 
> > emailed on my own iOS devices with no problems.
> >> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:22, E.T.  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> 2nd time too. He may be bottom posting.
> >>
> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> >> Are We Alone in the Universe?
> >> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> >>
> >> On 9/22/2016 11:10 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
> >>> Hello, blank bar my original email.
>  On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:07, Daniel C   > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
>  On Sep 22, 2016, at 11:46, christopher hallsworth 
>  > wrote:
> 
> > Hello again. Correct.
> >
> > I have finally set up Time Machine, and it’s pretty good. It’s 
> > currently doing a full backup of a partition on my external disk, this 
> > is because the first partition hosts the bootable installation media 
> > for macOS Sierra. In fact, I’ve just been greeted with a notification 
> > that the first backup is now complete. Wow! So now, hopefully, any 
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Re: Time Machine

[christopher hallsworth]

Yeah sorry. It was, then it drifted off, again sorry.
> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:54, Robin  wrote:
> 
> Is this Topic concernin' TimeMachine? JustWonderin'
> 
> Because that's TheSubject of ThisThread or SoItAppears
> At 11:42 AM 9/22/2016, you wrote:
>> Ok. Still can’t see it, all I see is his signature repeated, my response 
>> then the list footer repeated several times.
>> > On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:34, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> >
>> > hi,
>> >
>> > His answers are posted below the "Sent from my iPhone" signature.  For 
>> > your initial eMail, you'll note a "Correct" inserted in your original 
>> > text.  The practice of inserting a response in that manner is not 
>> > uncommon, it's just often difficult to follow if the preceding signatures 
>> > and other header info is not removed first.
>> >
>> > Later...
>> >
>> > Tim Kilburn
>> > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> >
>> > On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:30, christopher hallsworth 
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > No he’s not, I cannot see his response at all. Frustrates me how or why 
>> > people with iOS devices send emails with just their signatures. I’ve 
>> > emailed on my own iOS devices with no problems.
>> >> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:22, E.T.  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 2nd time too. He may be bottom posting.
>> >>
>> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> >> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> >> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> >>
>> >> On 9/22/2016 11:10 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>> >>> Hello, blank bar my original email.
>>  On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:07, Daniel C  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>  On Sep 22, 2016, at 11:46, christopher hallsworth 
>>   wrote:
>> 
>> > Hello again. Correct.
>> >
>> > I have finally set up Time Machine, and it’s pretty good. It’s 
>> > currently doing a full backup of a partition on my external disk, this 
>> > is because the first partition hosts the bootable installation media 
>> > for macOS Sierra. In fact, I’ve just been greeted with a 
>> > notification that the first backup is now complete. Wow! So now, 
>> > hopefully, any modifications I make on here will be backed up the next 
>> > time I connect my external drive, correct? Just so I understand that 
>> > is all.
>> >
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Re: Apple TV 3rd Gen.

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Hello

First, the 3rd generation, as far as Apple Support is concerned, is long gone. 
So your chances of support may be slim. Not impossible, but slim. Now onto your 
questions.

This remote, does not charge, unlike the 4th generation. Therefore, you change 
the batteries when it is low. To set it up with VoiceOver, make sure your TV is 
tuned into the correct HDMI input channel. You should then hear it talking you 
in how to turn on VoiceOver to set up Apple TV with VoiceOver.


> On 22 Sep 2016, at 05:38, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
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> Hi folks,
> 
> I just purchased and received an Apple TV 3rd generation. I have the
> following question:
> 1. How do you recharge the batteries? The remote has a slim plug in
> the back but it did not come with a cable for recharging. I already
> tried looking this up on the web but it keeps mentioning 4th Gen.
> remotes.
> 2. What is the best way to set this up via voiceover? Does my actual
> TV need to be on a certain input such as auxillary?
> 
> I'm planning on calling Apple support but would appreciate your input.
> 
> Thanks,
> Vaughn
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Re: Time Machine

[Robin]

Is this Topic concernin' TimeMachine? JustWonderin'

Because that's TheSubject of ThisThread or SoItAppears
At 11:42 AM 9/22/2016, you wrote:
Ok. Still can’t see it, all I see is his 
signature repeated, my response then the list footer repeated several times.

> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:34, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>
> hi,
>
> His answers are posted below the "Sent from 
my iPhone" signature.  For your initial eMail, 
you'll note a "Correct" inserted in your 
original text.  The practice of inserting a 
response in that manner is not uncommon, it's 
just often difficult to follow if the preceding 
signatures and other header info is not removed first.

>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:30, christopher 
hallsworth  wrote:

>
> No he’s not, I cannot see his response at 
all. Frustrates me how or why people with iOS 
devices send emails with just their signatures. 
I’ve emailed on my own iOS devices with no problems.

>> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:22, E.T.  wrote:
>>
>> 2nd time too. He may be bottom posting.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 9/22/2016 11:10 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>>> Hello, blank bar my original email.
 On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:07, Daniel C  wrote:



 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 22, 2016, at 11:46, christopher 
hallsworth  wrote:


> Hello again. Correct.
>
> I have finally set up Time Machine, and 
it’s pretty good. It’s currently doing a 
full backup of a partition on my external disk, 
this is because the first partition hosts the 
bootable installation media for macOS Sierra. 
In fact, I’ve just been greeted with a 
notification that the first backup is now 
complete. Wow! So now, hopefully, any 
modifications I make on here will be backed up 
the next time I connect my external drive, 
correct? Just so I understand that is all.

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Re: how to create a bootable installer for os 10 12

[Daniel C]

> Good day,
Terminal is also my preferred method for creating such bootable media as well. 
Applications to me do not give enough output, terminal however seems to give 
more.

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Re: how to create a bootable installer for os 10 12

[Tim Kilburn]

I can understand that.  It's not a particularly easy set of commands to 
remember.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:49, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

Well keep forgetting the Terminal commands lol so use an app instead.
> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:47, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I prefer the Terminal method, but using an app is less worrisome for many.  
> If it does the job, then do whatever you feel most comfortable with.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:44, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
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> Hi all
> 
> No need for that, found a free app from the internet that does this all for 
> you. Called “Install Disk Creator”, found this out after discovering 
> Diskmakerx is not ready for Sierra even though they claim to be “rocking with 
> Sierra”, according to their web page,
> www.liondiskmaker.com
> 
> 
>> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:29, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> When using the Terminal to create the bootable installer, it uses the "sudo" 
>> command in front.  You, as an Administrator, have the power to use the sudo 
>> command, although the OS will ask for your Admin password in order to 
>> proceed.  Once the password has been correctly input, the action will 
>> commence.  So, yes, an Administrator is sufficient, but an extra step of 
>> security is necessary to proceed.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:15, Daniel C  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 10:03, matthew dyer  
>>> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>> Most likely, the password that they are referring to, maybe in a minute 
>> straight of account password. You don't actually need to use the root user 
>> that usually comes with UNIX like operating systems to perform such tasks.
>>> And administrative account should be sufficient enough, it is actually like 
>>> the root user. So creating the boot disk with your administrative account, 
>>> should suffice just fine.Hi,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I forget the site, but I have it saved in my favorites list and will be 
>>> doing this at some point.  When they say root password, are they refering 
>>> to the paassword you set when you first setup the mac?  I ask as I don't 
>>> recall seting up a root password here on my mac.  Thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 09/20/2016 06:18 PM, Kliphton Miller wrote:
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Re: Time Machine

[Tim Kilburn]

hi,

No biggy to me.  When posting in iOS, if you double-tap to bring focus to the 
edit field, make sure that it says "Cursor at the beginning" or something like 
that.  Usually, it is placed there by default, but if it is there already and 
you double-tap a second time, the cursor will be placed at the end of the edit 
field.

Later...

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On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:44, Daniel C  wrote:

My fault, I guess I'm not used to posting from iOS, so I figure that what I 
posts where it is supposed to.

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Re: Time Machine

[christopher hallsworth]

No worries. Tip: in the message body, make sure you are at the beginning of the 
text by VoiceOver’s announcement of “insertion at beginning of text”.
> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:44, Daniel C  wrote:
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Re: how to create a bootable installer for os 10 12

[christopher hallsworth]

Well keep forgetting the Terminal commands lol so use an app instead.
> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:47, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I prefer the Terminal method, but using an app is less worrisome for many.  
> If it does the job, then do whatever you feel most comfortable with.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:44, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> No need for that, found a free app from the internet that does this all for 
> you. Called “Install Disk Creator”, found this out after discovering 
> Diskmakerx is not ready for Sierra even though they claim to be “rocking with 
> Sierra”, according to their web page,
> www.liondiskmaker.com
> 
> 
>> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:29, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> When using the Terminal to create the bootable installer, it uses the "sudo" 
>> command in front.  You, as an Administrator, have the power to use the sudo 
>> command, although the OS will ask for your Admin password in order to 
>> proceed.  Once the password has been correctly input, the action will 
>> commence.  So, yes, an Administrator is sufficient, but an extra step of 
>> security is necessary to proceed.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:15, Daniel C  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 10:03, matthew dyer  
>>> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>> Most likely, the password that they are referring to, maybe in a minute 
>> straight of account password. You don't actually need to use the root user 
>> that usually comes with UNIX like operating systems to perform such tasks.
>>> And administrative account should be sufficient enough, it is actually like 
>>> the root user. So creating the boot disk with your administrative account, 
>>> should suffice just fine.Hi,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I forget the site, but I have it saved in my favorites list and will be 
>>> doing this at some point.  When they say root password, are they refering 
>>> to the paassword you set when you first setup the mac?  I ask as I don't 
>>> recall seting up a root password here on my mac.  Thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 09/20/2016 06:18 PM, Kliphton Miller wrote:
 http://www.redmondpie.com/make-macos-sierra-10.12-bootable-usb-flash-drive-installer-here’s-how-tutorial/
 
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Re: how to create a bootable installer for os 10 12

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I prefer the Terminal method, but using an app is less worrisome for many.  If 
it does the job, then do whatever you feel most comfortable with.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:44, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

Hi all

No need for that, found a free app from the internet that does this all for 
you. Called “Install Disk Creator”, found this out after discovering Diskmakerx 
is not ready for Sierra even though they claim to be “rocking with Sierra”, 
according to their web page,
www.liondiskmaker.com


> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:29, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When using the Terminal to create the bootable installer, it uses the "sudo" 
> command in front.  You, as an Administrator, have the power to use the sudo 
> command, although the OS will ask for your Admin password in order to 
> proceed.  Once the password has been correctly input, the action will 
> commence.  So, yes, an Administrator is sufficient, but an extra step of 
> security is necessary to proceed.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:15, Daniel C  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 10:03, matthew dyer  
>> wrote:
>> Hi,
> Most likely, the password that they are referring to, maybe in a minute 
> straight of account password. You don't actually need to use the root user 
> that usually comes with UNIX like operating systems to perform such tasks.
>> And administrative account should be sufficient enough, it is actually like 
>> the root user. So creating the boot disk with your administrative account, 
>> should suffice just fine.Hi,
>> 
>> 
>> I forget the site, but I have it saved in my favorites list and will be 
>> doing this at some point.  When they say root password, are they refering to 
>> the paassword you set when you first setup the mac?  I ask as I don't recall 
>> seting up a root password here on my mac.  Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Can anyone get Activities to work on Sierra

[christopher hallsworth]

Working here on my late 2011 Macbook Pro 13 running Sierra. Don’t use them 
myself, just wanted to see if it was working for others.
> On 22 Sep 2016, at 07:37, Brian Fischler  wrote:
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> This is something I contacted Apple about several times during the beta and 
> at least on my machine they dropped the ball big time as activities do not 
> seem to work at all. I like QuickNav to automatically turn off when in mail 
> and Night Owl and I use different voices but nothing seems to work. Would 
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Re: how to create a bootable installer for os 10 12

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi all

No need for that, found a free app from the internet that does this all for 
you. Called “Install Disk Creator”, found this out after discovering Diskmakerx 
is not ready for Sierra even though they claim to be “rocking with Sierra”, 
according to their web page,
www.liondiskmaker.com


> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:29, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When using the Terminal to create the bootable installer, it uses the "sudo" 
> command in front.  You, as an Administrator, have the power to use the sudo 
> command, although the OS will ask for your Admin password in order to 
> proceed.  Once the password has been correctly input, the action will 
> commence.  So, yes, an Administrator is sufficient, but an extra step of 
> security is necessary to proceed.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:15, Daniel C  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 10:03, matthew dyer  
>> wrote:
>> Hi,
> Most likely, the password that they are referring to, maybe in a minute 
> straight of account password. You don't actually need to use the root user 
> that usually comes with UNIX like operating systems to perform such tasks.
>> And administrative account should be sufficient enough, it is actually like 
>> the root user. So creating the boot disk with your administrative account, 
>> should suffice just fine.Hi,
>> 
>> 
>> I forget the site, but I have it saved in my favorites list and will be 
>> doing this at some point.  When they say root password, are they refering to 
>> the paassword you set when you first setup the mac?  I ask as I don't recall 
>> seting up a root password here on my mac.  Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Time Machine

[Daniel C]

My fault, I guess I'm not used to posting from iOS, so I figure that what I 
posts where it is supposed to.

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Re: Time Machine

[christopher hallsworth]

Ok. Still can’t see it, all I see is his signature repeated, my response then 
the list footer repeated several times.
> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:34, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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> hi,
> 
> His answers are posted below the "Sent from my iPhone" signature.  For your 
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> Later...
> 
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> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
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> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:30, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
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> No he’s not, I cannot see his response at all. Frustrates me how or why 
> people with iOS devices send emails with just their signatures. I’ve emailed 
> on my own iOS devices with no problems.
>> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:22, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> 2nd time too. He may be bottom posting.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 9/22/2016 11:10 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>>> Hello, blank bar my original email.
 On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:07, Daniel C  wrote:
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 22, 2016, at 11:46, christopher hallsworth 
  wrote:
 
> Hello again. Correct.
> 
> I have finally set up Time Machine, and it’s pretty good. It’s currently 
> doing a full backup of a partition on my external disk, this is because 
> the first partition hosts the bootable installation media for macOS 
> Sierra. In fact, I’ve just been greeted with a notification that the 
> first backup is now complete. Wow! So now, hopefully, any modifications I 
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> correct? Just so I understand that is all.
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Re: Time Machine

[Tim Kilburn]

hi,

His answers are posted below the "Sent from my iPhone" signature.  For your 
initial eMail, you'll note a "Correct" inserted in your original text.  The 
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Later...

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On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:30, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

No he’s not, I cannot see his response at all. Frustrates me how or why people 
with iOS devices send emails with just their signatures. I’ve emailed on my own 
iOS devices with no problems.
> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:22, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>  2nd time too. He may be bottom posting.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 9/22/2016 11:10 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>> Hello, blank bar my original email.
>>> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:07, Daniel C  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 11:46, christopher hallsworth  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hello again. Correct.
 
 I have finally set up Time Machine, and it’s pretty good. It’s currently 
 doing a full backup of a partition on my external disk, this is because 
 the first partition hosts the bootable installation media for macOS 
 Sierra. In fact, I’ve just been greeted with a notification that the first 
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Re: Time Machine

[christopher hallsworth]

No he’s not, I cannot see his response at all. Frustrates me how or why people 
with iOS devices send emails with just their signatures. I’ve emailed on my own 
iOS devices with no problems.
> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:22, E.T.  wrote:
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> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 9/22/2016 11:10 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>> Hello, blank bar my original email.
>>> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:07, Daniel C  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 11:46, christopher hallsworth  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hello again. Correct.
 
 I have finally set up Time Machine, and it’s pretty good. It’s currently 
 doing a full backup of a partition on my external disk, this is because 
 the first partition hosts the bootable installation media for macOS 
 Sierra. In fact, I’ve just been greeted with a notification that the first 
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Re: how to create a bootable installer for os 10 12

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

When using the Terminal to create the bootable installer, it uses the "sudo" 
command in front.  You, as an Administrator, have the power to use the sudo 
command, although the OS will ask for your Admin password in order to proceed.  
Once the password has been correctly input, the action will commence.  So, yes, 
an Administrator is sufficient, but an extra step of security is necessary to 
proceed.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:15, Daniel C  wrote:



Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 10:03, matthew dyer  
> wrote:
> Hi,
Most likely, the password that they are referring to, maybe in a minute 
straight of account password. You don't actually need to use the root user that 
usually comes with UNIX like operating systems to perform such tasks.
> And administrative account should be sufficient enough, it is actually like 
> the root user. So creating the boot disk with your administrative account, 
> should suffice just fine.Hi,
> 
> 
> I forget the site, but I have it saved in my favorites list and will be doing 
> this at some point.  When they say root password, are they refering to the 
> paassword you set when you first setup the mac?  I ask as I don't recall 
> seting up a root password here on my mac.  Thanks.
> 
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Time Machine

[E.T.]

   2nd time too. He may be bottom posting.

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On 9/22/2016 11:10 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:

Hello, blank bar my original email.

On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:07, Daniel C  wrote:



Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 22, 2016, at 11:46, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:


Hello again. Correct.

I have finally set up Time Machine, and it’s pretty good. It’s currently doing 
a full backup of a partition on my external disk, this is because the first 
partition hosts the bootable installation media for macOS Sierra. In fact, I’ve 
just been greeted with a notification that the first backup is now complete. 
Wow! So now, hopefully, any modifications I make on here will be backed up the 
next time I connect my external drive, correct? Just so I understand that is 
all.


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Re: how to create a bootable installer for os 10 12

[Daniel C]

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 10:03, matthew dyer  
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> Hi,
Most likely, the password that they are referring to, maybe in a minute 
straight of account password. You don't actually need to use the root user that 
usually comes with UNIX like operating systems to perform such tasks.
> And administrative account should be sufficient enough, it is actually like 
> the root user. So creating the boot disk with your administrative account, 
> should suffice just fine.Hi,
> 
> 
> I forget the site, but I have it saved in my favorites list and will be doing 
> this at some point.  When they say root password, are they refering to the 
> paassword you set when you first setup the mac?  I ask as I don't recall 
> seting up a root password here on my mac.  Thanks.
> 
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 09/20/2016 06:18 PM, Kliphton Miller wrote:
>> http://www.redmondpie.com/make-macos-sierra-10.12-bootable-usb-flash-drive-installer-here’s-how-tutorial/
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Re: Time Machine

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Hello, blank bar my original email.
> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:07, Daniel C  wrote:
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Hello again. Correct.
>> 
>> I have finally set up Time Machine, and it’s pretty good. It’s currently 
>> doing a full backup of a partition on my external disk, this is because the 
>> first partition hosts the bootable installation media for macOS Sierra. In 
>> fact, I’ve just been greeted with a notification that the first backup is 
>> now complete. Wow! So now, hopefully, any modifications I make on here will 
>> be backed up the next time I connect my external drive, correct? Just so I 
>> understand that is all.
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Re: Time Machine

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> Hello again. Correct.
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Accessing text field in Messages app on IOS

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

One thing I'm finding in iOs 10 is that with all the clutter of digital touch 
and the Messaging Apps button, I can no longer activate the message text field 
without swiping to it.  Is anyone else encountering this behavior, and does 
anyone know of a way to fix it?
TIA,
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Re: Can anyone get Activities to work on Sierra

[Brian Fischler]

They may be working for you but not for me. Just hung up with Apple showing 
them and they agree they are at least broken on my machine as they are kicking 
it up to engineering. So be fortunate they are working for you.
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> Activities are working.
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Time Machine

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello again.

I have finally set up Time Machine, and it’s pretty good. It’s currently doing 
a full backup of a partition on my external disk, this is because the first 
partition hosts the bootable installation media for macOS Sierra. In fact, I’ve 
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Update on mac research

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello everyone.

Just an update on my mac research for Hannah’s Christmas present.

She has chosen the 13 inch Macbook Pro with retina display, customized with 512 
GB of PCIE-based flash storage, base RAM of 8 GB and base processor of 2.9 GHZ 
with turbo boost up to 3.2 GHZ, something like that anyway. That is providing a 
newer mac doesn’t come before then.

Think she will be happy with these specs, as she has no intentions of editing 
video for example, hence the base RAM configuration, and the customized storage 
is slightly more than her external 500 GB HDD. Thoughts?


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Re: Notifications Keep Interrupting

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

You should be able to make any modifications to the notification settings for 
Mail in System Preferences, Notification Centre.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 22, 2016, at 11:31, Brandon A. Olivares  wrote:

Sorry for all the emails. :P

Now in 10.12, when there is a notification, Voiceover interrupts the flow of 
whatever I’m doing to tell me about it. Usually it would instead wait until its 
done reading the current item before it notifies me.

For instance, if I’m reading something in Safari, and I get a new email, 
Voiceover will immediately tell me about it. Then I have to start the paragraph 
over again in Safari and hope I don’t get anymore notifications.

Is there a setting for this? It’s quite annoying.

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Re: Can anyone get Activities to work on Sierra

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Activities are working.

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Notifications Keep Interrupting

[Brandon A. Olivares]

Sorry for all the emails. :P

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whatever I’m doing to tell me about it. Usually it would instead wait until its 
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Is there a setting for this? It’s quite annoying.

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Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Jeff Berwick]

Okay, now that we have figured out the weak link in your otherwise brilliant 
plans (me), I have implemented the original solution and the network seems to 
be working.  It will be some time before I notice if the intermittent wifi 
outages are fixed, but I don’t have the Double NAT error (which I previously 
didn’t know was an error), so I’d say that we are further ahead than when we 
started.

Thank you for all your suggestions, guidance and help!

Jeff

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> Thanks for the update.  Good luck.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 07:12, Jeff Berwick  > wrote:
> 
> I have discovered this morning, that the most important step in working with 
> wired networking, is to connect the correct ethernet cable.  Not sure how I 
> pugged the wrong one in, but I’ve found another cable that has brought the 
> system back online.  This weekend I’ll try setting things up properly, but 
> for now at least, I’m up and running.
> 
> Thanks again for all the help and I’ll check back in on the weekend. :)
> 
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 10:07 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jef,
>> 
>> OK.  It sounds like Bell may have some odd things going on with their 
>> modem/router.  Scott and Jonathan may have had a point with respect to how 
>> many machines that they are accepting through their device.  Jerks.  That 
>> refers to Bell, not Scott or Jonathan :).  Let's do the following:
>> 
>> 1.  TC #1, set with DHCP and NAT.  In the status, it may report an error, 
>> but you can tell the TC to ignore that error in Airport Utility.  Also, make 
>> sure that the ethernet cable goes into the WAN port which is the one closest 
>> to the USB port on your TC.
>> 2.  Connect TC #2 to the hub like before, but make sure that TC #2 has the 
>> ethernet going into its WAN port as well.
>> 3.  Make sure that TC #2 is in Bridge mode.
>> 4.  turn off the wireless broadcasting on the Bell if you can.
>> 5.  Make sure that both TC's have the same wireless SSID, same security and 
>> same password for the WiFi signal.  The actual TC configuration passwords 
>> are immaterial.
>> 
>> Please eMail me the IP addresses for each device if you can.  That is, WAN 
>> and LAN addresses as well as the router address of each of the Bell device, 
>> TC #1 and TC #2.  In Airport Utility, under the Internet tab, you can find 
>> the extra info I'm hoping for.  The WAN and LAN can usually be found on the 
>> front page of the Airport Utility for each TC but the router info is found 
>> under the Internet tab.
>> 
>> Hope things get worked out quick for you.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 18:25, Jeff Berwick > > wrote:
>> 
>> So far, no joy!
>> 
>> I made the changes, but my network has completely crapped out on me.  As a 
>> result, I’ve undone everything I did, but things are still not working.
>> 
>> It seems that computers connected to the hub which is connected to the 1st 
>> Time Capsule are self-assigning ip addresses.  One is a Windows machine and 
>> one is a MacBook Pro.  I can’t figure out how to convince them to get their 
>> ip from the Time Capsule which is again set to  DHCP and NAT.  I’m fine with 
>> the problems for now, I just need to get my home network up and running 
>> again by tomorrow as I work from home.
>> 
>> I’ll try fiddling again on the weekend.  As it stands now, I’ve ben at this 
>> for 4 hours and I’m frustrated.
>> 
>> Any thoughts?
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jef
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Another thing too, some providers like Comcast use your router to deliver 
>>> their services.  Everywhere you see for example an Xfinity SSID that’s 
>>> being broadcast, unknowingly by most, by your home comcast routers.  They 
>>> sell WiFi access and use their customers networks to carry the traffic.  I 
>>> do think they break off a separate channel structure but still if I want to 
>>> be a gateway for Comcast they can pay me for it.
>>> 
>>> Great move turning that off.  I don’t know if Bell does such things.
>>> 
 On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:13 PM, Tim Kilburn > wrote:
 
 Hi Jeff,
 
 I prefer it that way as well.  That is, turn off the wireless broadcasting 
 of your ISP device.  Some devices don't play nice together when setting up 
 a roaming kind of design, which is essentially what you're doing.  The two 
 Time Capsules will play nice together.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:06, Jeff Berwick 

Moving favorites to the favorites bar, was Bugs in Apple Mail with MacOS 10.12

[Kliphton Miller]

The way favorites are added has not used vo period or vo coma for some time.  
The way to move mailboxes to your favorites.
1.  Highlight the mailbox you want to move
2. Do the mouse down command.  Vo command shift space bar.
3. Stop interacting with the mailbox list, go to favorites, and interact with 
it.
4. Place the mailbox on the 1 you want it right before, and then do the mouse 
up command.  Vo command, shift space bar.
Repeat this, until your mailboxes are the way you want them.  HTH
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> On Sep 22, 2016, at 1:17 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> While shift tab may not be working why not make your life easier. This is in 
> standard mail with the preview pane closed. All you need to do is VO j and 
> you can go directly from the message column to your mailbox column and vice 
> versa. Pretty simple. As far as moving mailboxes to your favorites, this is 
> hit and miss as I did it with VO comma and VO period, but could not rearrange 
> the order of my favorites. Good luck.
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 5:25 AM, Gerry Cook > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Mark and Grant I was able to get an accessibility adviser from apple 
>> to confirm not being able to shift tab in apple, mail.  He’s taken a ticket 
>> up to engineering. Thanks. 
>> cheers gerry have a nice day
>> Email: gerryc...@optusnet.com.au 
>> Skype: gerry.cook1 
>> Twitter: @gerrycook52
>> 
>>> On 22 Sep. 2016, at 5:12 pm, M. Taylor >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Grant,
>>> 
>>> I can confirm the first item in your list said item being 
>>> "1. You can't Shift-Tab to the mailboxes table as it will not appear in the 
>>> tab order. So, for instance, if you are focussed in the messages list you 
>>> need to tab several times until you wrap back around to the mailboxes 
>>> table."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> First, I encourage you to send your findings to Apple.
>>> 
>>> Second, let me say that this bug was first reported to Apple back in June 
>>> so they are definitely aware of it.  
>>> 
>>> Third, in my setup, using the Standard View with a Preview Pane showing and 
>>> the Favorites Bar hidden, a quick workaround is to Shift-tab until focus 
>>> lands on an item, not expected, then simply tap the tab key and focus will 
>>> land on the Mailboxes table.  
>>> 
>>> For example, when on the Message List Table, execute key-combo Shift+Tab.  
>>> This, of course, should take focus back to the left landing on the 
>>> MailBoxes Table.  However, in my setup, Focus is taken to the Search edit 
>>> field.  I simply hit the Tab key and focus moves to the right, landing on 
>>> the Mailboxes Table.  In the current build of the application, I must use 1 
>>> additional key tap to land on the Mailboxes table as compared to El Capitan.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> ] On Behalf Of Grant
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 9:29 PM
>>> To: MacVisionaries List
>>> Subject: Bugs in Apple Mail with MacOS 10.12
>>> 
>>> Hey guys,
>>> 
>>> Wondering if you folks can confirm the following:
>>> 
>>> 1. You can't Shift-Tab to the mailboxes table as it will not appear in the 
>>> tab order. So, for instance, if you are focussed in the messages list you 
>>> need to tab several times until you wrap back around to the mailboxes table.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2. If you are in the mailboxes table and press VO-Fn-Right Arrow (that’s 
>>> VO-End), Mail freezes and needs to be restarted to continue using it.
>>> 3. I’ll admit I haven’t exhausted all possibilities here, but can’t change 
>>> the contents of the favourites bar via VO’s drag and drop or via the “mouse 
>>> button locking” method that used to work.
>>> 4. Unless you hide the favourites bar, each folder in the favourites bar 
>>> now appears in the tab order. I’ll admit this is more of a “change in 
>>> behaviour” than a bug.
>>> 
>>> Would love to hear your thoughts.
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> Grant
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Re: Can anyone get Activities to work on Sierra

[Brian Fischler]

Thanks so weird that this must be device specific as I have a computer only 4 
months old and 90% of the time activities will not work for me. Absolutely head 
scratching but good to hear they are working for some. Thanks for confirming.
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 3:15 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Brian,
> 
> Yes, Activities are working beautifully in Sierra, on my MacBook Pro Mid-2014 
> machine.
> 
> I use several activities including various voices.  For example, while my 
> primary VoiceOver voice is Alex, all notifications and the notification 
> center, use my beloved Samantha.  
> 
> To be honest, the Activities are executing faster and more smoothly than they 
> did in El Capitan.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Fischler
> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 11:37 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Can anyone get Activities to work on Sierra
> 
> This is something I contacted Apple about several times during the beta and 
> at least on my machine they dropped the ball big time as activities do not 
> seem to work at all. I like QuickNav to automatically turn off when in mail 
> and Night Owl and I use different voices but nothing seems to work. Would 
> love to hear if activities are working for anyone. Thanks,
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Re: Bugs in Apple Mail with MacOS 10.12

[Brian Fischler]

Hey guys,

While shift tab may not be working why not make your life easier. This is in 
standard mail with the preview pane closed. All you need to do is VO j and you 
can go directly from the message column to your mailbox column and vice versa. 
Pretty simple. As far as moving mailboxes to your favorites, this is hit and 
miss as I did it with VO comma and VO period, but could not rearrange the order 
of my favorites. Good luck.
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 5:25 AM, Gerry Cook  wrote:
> 
> Hello Mark and Grant I was able to get an accessibility adviser from apple to 
> confirm not being able to shift tab in apple, mail.  He’s taken a ticket up 
> to engineering. Thanks. 
> cheers gerry have a nice day
> Email: gerryc...@optusnet.com.au 
> Skype: gerry.cook1 
> Twitter: @gerrycook52
> 
>> On 22 Sep. 2016, at 5:12 pm, M. Taylor > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Grant,
>> 
>> I can confirm the first item in your list said item being 
>> "1. You can't Shift-Tab to the mailboxes table as it will not appear in the 
>> tab order. So, for instance, if you are focussed in the messages list you 
>> need to tab several times until you wrap back around to the mailboxes table."
>> 
>> 
>> First, I encourage you to send your findings to Apple.
>> 
>> Second, let me say that this bug was first reported to Apple back in June so 
>> they are definitely aware of it.  
>> 
>> Third, in my setup, using the Standard View with a Preview Pane showing and 
>> the Favorites Bar hidden, a quick workaround is to Shift-tab until focus 
>> lands on an item, not expected, then simply tap the tab key and focus will 
>> land on the Mailboxes table.  
>> 
>> For example, when on the Message List Table, execute key-combo Shift+Tab.  
>> This, of course, should take focus back to the left landing on the MailBoxes 
>> Table.  However, in my setup, Focus is taken to the Search edit field.  I 
>> simply hit the Tab key and focus moves to the right, landing on the 
>> Mailboxes Table.  In the current build of the application, I must use 1 
>> additional key tap to land on the Mailboxes table as compared to El Capitan.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Grant
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 9:29 PM
>> To: MacVisionaries List
>> Subject: Bugs in Apple Mail with MacOS 10.12
>> 
>> Hey guys,
>> 
>> Wondering if you folks can confirm the following:
>> 
>> 1. You can't Shift-Tab to the mailboxes table as it will not appear in the 
>> tab order. So, for instance, if you are focussed in the messages list you 
>> need to tab several times until you wrap back around to the mailboxes table.
>> 
>> 
>> 2. If you are in the mailboxes table and press VO-Fn-Right Arrow (that’s 
>> VO-End), Mail freezes and needs to be restarted to continue using it.
>> 3. I’ll admit I haven’t exhausted all possibilities here, but can’t change 
>> the contents of the favourites bar via VO’s drag and drop or via the “mouse 
>> button locking” method that used to work.
>> 4. Unless you hide the favourites bar, each folder in the favourites bar now 
>> appears in the tab order. I’ll admit this is more of a “change in behaviour” 
>> than a bug.
>> 
>> Would love to hear your thoughts.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Grant
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Re: how to create a bootable installer for os 10 12

[matthew dyer]

Hi,


I forget the site, but I have it saved in my favorites list and will be 
doing this at some point.  When they say root password, are they 
refering to the paassword you set when you first setup the mac?  I ask 
as I don't recall seting up a root password here on my mac.  Thanks.



Matthew




On 09/20/2016 06:18 PM, Kliphton Miller wrote:

http://www.redmondpie.com/make-macos-sierra-10.12-bootable-usb-flash-drive-installer-here’s-how-tutorial/



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Re: Not Seeing Documents in iCloud Drive

[Tim Kilburn]

OK, that's good.  A couple things to note.  Stuff that is on your iCloud Drive 
remains in your iCloud Drive even if you turn off the service on either your 
Mac or iDevice.  What you're essentially doing is just severing that computer's 
connection to the data.  If you choose "Remove from Mac", then all that happens 
is that your iCloud data is removed from that Mac but it is retained in 
Apple-land in iCloud Drive.  I use this process all the time for teachers in 
our District.  I encourage them to save all important data to the Cloud, in 
Google Drive etc, then if I need to swap out their computer, or if it dies, 
they can simply connect to the Cloud service and all their important data is 
brought back down in no time.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 22, 2016, at 08:23, Brandon A. Olivares  wrote:

Actually, I restarted my Mac and that seems to have kicked it into gear. :)
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 10:09 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> I'd first restart your iDevice, then wait a few minutes after it's started up 
> to allow it to sync, then check.  If that doesn't fix things, go into iCloud 
> in settings and turn off iCloud Drive, back out of settings then go in again 
> and re-enable it.  All iCloud data is stored up in the Cloud anyway, so loss 
> of data won't happen.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 08:05, Brandon A. Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, they are both there.
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 10:04 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> In Sierra, on your Mac, in the Finder, when you press cmd-shift-i to access 
>> your iCloud Drive, do you see the Desktop and Documents folder?
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 07:18, Brandon A. Olivares  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I’ve enabled the option in Sierra to store Documents and Desktop in iCloud 
>> Drive.
>> 
>> But in the iCloud Drive app on IOS 10, I’m not seeing those folders, nor has 
>> the space available decreased at all. I’m not sure why this might be 
>> happening. There is plenty of space for those items to be stored in.
>> 
>> Brandon
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Re: Hourly vibration on the apple watch.

[Donna Goodin]

Hi,

There's an app that does this.  I don't remember what it's called, though.  Try 
doing a search in the app store for clock, or vibrating clock, or something 
like that.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 9:36 AM, John JD Denning  wrote:
> 
> Hi, no I don't believe there's anyway to set a vibration or chime at the hour 
> mark. But the vibration time isn't limited to a particular watch face. I 
> really love this feature. You could set it up for any watch face.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Sep 22, 2016, at 10:01, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>> I know there is Mickey and Mimi mouse clocks that announces the time every 
>> hour but i wonder if there is something that can make the watch vibrate on 
>> every hour?
>> I really need such an app but haven’t found one yet.
>> There is Diiiy or something similar but it wont vibrate on the apple watch, 
>> only the iphone.
>> Any thoughts?
>> /A
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