dropbox

[Gabe Griffith]

Hi all,

I was trying to help a friend this afternoon with uploading something to her 
dropbox. She doesn't remember having ever set up a dropbox account and password 
but there is a dropbox folder on her computer but dropbox doesn't show up in 
her menu extras where mine shows the status of uploads. It lets her copy and 
paste a file to the dropbox folder but when we did a VO shift m there is no 
option to copy a dropbox link like mine has, we even tried pasting in to the 
public folder because it also looks like she has a version from September 2016 
and my version shows as being from December 2016. 

So I finally get to my question. Does anyone know the best way of going about 
having her download and install the latest version of DB? 

Thanks,

Gabe


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Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I agree, and won't be saying any more on this thread, end of discussion.


The only reason that I saw Scott's message here is on this Win10 machine 
with Thunderbird, I don't yet know how to block e-mails. But I'm gonna 
find out.



Chris.



On 1/3/2017 12:59 AM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
Hey Scott, I haven't you got the news that Chris has you blocked. I 
really don't want to see you to try to take shots at each other while 
you have each other blocked on email. Just thought I would point this out.


On Jan 2, 2017, at 11:43 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:


Chris please stop, you’re spreading bad information.

Verizon does not sell locked handsets (full stop).  Any handsets 
manufactured for and sold by or on behalf of verizon are unlocked.


There is also a true unlocked iPhone sold separately that has the 
Qualcomm chip and speaks verizon and Sprint but a phone sold from 
verizon will not be any technically different from the unlocked 
phone, they ship unlocked out of the box.



On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
> wrote:


OK, Ron, but, she might not be buying a locked version of the phone. 
She might be specifically getting a Verizon locked handset, at which 
point, what Mary is saying would be correct.

Chris.

- Original Message -
*From:*Singing Sparrow 
*To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 


*Sent:*Monday, January 02, 2017 2:36 PM
*Subject:*Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.

this is not true if you get an unlocked Iphone you can use it on 
any carrier that you want.


On 11/27/2016 12:57 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
Regarding AT versus Verizon and coverage, you really need to 
check your specific area. WhileVerizon has the broadest overall 
coverage nationwide, that doesn't mean it's the best in your 
particular area. In other words, you should have a sighted person 
whom you trust look at coverage maps, and also be sure that once 
you get your phone, if the coverage proves unsatisfactory, you 
have a period of time where you can return the phone and get out 
of your contract with absolutely no penalty to you. You won't be 
able to use that same phone on AT, because the modem in the 
Verizon iPhone 7 is different from the modem in the AT and 
T-Mobile iPhone 7.


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 27, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Phil Halton > wrote:



Hi,
I'm buying a 7+ jet black 128 gig phone this week and I am going 
to switch carriers from AT to Verizon. My questions are these: 
is Verizon wireless at least it's good if not better than AT as 
far as coverage goes? I get spotty coverage with AT in certain 
important places like the gym, and even one bar at my house. I'm 
hoping Verizon will get better coverage. By switching to a 1 GB 
data plan with Verizon, (I rarely use more than half a gig each 
month), I'll actually save 10 bucks off my monthly charge for the 
new phone and the new plan. What are the advantages to Verizon 
over AT ? is it just a superior network overall? Thanks for any 
help
By the way, I selected jet black because, with the phone in hand, 
I noticed that the finish is more "grippy" then the other 
finishes, And doesn't slip out of my hands so easily.



Sent from my IPhone

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Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Sorry Scott.


I didn't mean to spread bad info. BTW, since you are the God of Verizon, 
and since you know everything about them and apparently work with them, 
how bout your badge rep ID number? Or, are you not prideful enough to 
give such info. This should be nothing you're nor any other Verizon God 
would be unwilling to provide, so what is it, Hare Crishna? Do I need to 
do a Puja to get Shiva to destroy your attitude toward me? There are 108 
reasons why I'd stop now, Scott, while you can.



Chris.



On 1/3/2017 12:43 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Chris please stop, you’re spreading bad information.

Verizon does not sell locked handsets (full stop).  Any handsets 
manufactured for and sold by or on behalf of verizon are unlocked.


There is also a true unlocked iPhone sold separately that has the 
Qualcomm chip and speaks verizon and Sprint but a phone sold from 
verizon will not be any technically different from the unlocked phone, 
they ship unlocked out of the box.



On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
> wrote:


OK, Ron, but, she might not be buying a locked version of the phone. 
She might be specifically getting a Verizon locked handset, at which 
point, what Mary is saying would be correct.

Chris.

- Original Message -
*From:*Singing Sparrow 
*To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 


*Sent:*Monday, January 02, 2017 2:36 PM
*Subject:*Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.

this is not true if you get an unlocked Iphone you can use it on any 
carrier that you want.


On 11/27/2016 12:57 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
Regarding AT versus Verizon and coverage, you really need to 
check your specific area. WhileVerizon has the broadest overall 
coverage nationwide, that doesn't mean it's the best in your 
particular area. In other words, you should have a sighted person 
whom you trust look at coverage maps, and also be sure that once 
you get your phone, if the coverage proves unsatisfactory, you have 
a period of time where you can return the phone and get out of your 
contract with absolutely no penalty to you. You won't be able to 
use that same phone on AT, because the modem in the Verizon 
iPhone 7 is different from the modem in the AT and T-Mobile iPhone 7.


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 27, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Phil Halton > wrote:



Hi,
I'm buying a 7+ jet black 128 gig phone this week and I am going 
to switch carriers from AT to Verizon. My questions are these: 
is Verizon wireless at least it's good if not better than AT as 
far as coverage goes? I get spotty coverage with AT in certain 
important places like the gym, and even one bar at my house. I'm 
hoping Verizon will get better coverage. By switching to a 1 GB 
data plan with Verizon, (I rarely use more than half a gig each 
month), I'll actually save 10 bucks off my monthly charge for the 
new phone and the new plan. What are the advantages to Verizon 
over AT ? is it just a superior network overall? Thanks for any help
By the way, I selected jet black because, with the phone in hand, 
I noticed that the finish is more "grippy" then the other 
finishes, And doesn't slip out of my hands so easily.



Sent from my IPhone

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Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.

[Joseph Hudson]

Hey Scott, I haven't you got the news that Chris has you blocked. I really 
don't want to see you to try to take shots at each other while you have each 
other blocked on email. Just thought I would point this out.

> On Jan 2, 2017, at 11:43 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Chris please stop, you’re spreading bad information.
> 
> Verizon does not sell locked handsets (full stop).  Any handsets manufactured 
> for and sold by or on behalf of verizon are unlocked.
> 
> There is also a true unlocked iPhone sold separately that has the Qualcomm 
> chip and speaks verizon and Sprint but a phone sold from verizon will not be 
> any technically different from the unlocked phone, they ship unlocked out of 
> the box.
> 
> 
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>> OK, Ron, but, she might not be buying a locked version of the phone. She 
>> might be specifically getting a Verizon locked handset, at which point, what 
>> Mary is saying would be correct.
>>  
>> Chris.
>>  
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Singing Sparrow 
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 2:36 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.
>>> 
>>> this is not true if you get an unlocked Iphone you can use it on any 
>>> carrier that you want.
>>> 
>>> On 11/27/2016 12:57 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
 Regarding AT versus Verizon and coverage, you really need to check your 
 specific area. WhileVerizon has the broadest overall coverage nationwide, 
 that doesn't mean it's the best in your particular area. In other words, 
 you should have a sighted person whom you trust look at coverage maps, and 
 also be sure that once you get your phone, if the coverage proves 
 unsatisfactory, you have a period of time where you can return the phone 
 and get out of your contract with absolutely no penalty to you. You won't 
 be able to use that same phone on AT, because the modem in the Verizon 
 iPhone 7 is different from the modem in the AT and T-Mobile iPhone 7.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Nov 27, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Phil Halton > wrote:
 
> Hi,
> I'm buying a 7+ jet black 128 gig phone this week and I am going to 
> switch carriers from AT to Verizon. My questions are these: is Verizon 
> wireless at least it's good if not better than AT as far as coverage 
> goes? I get spotty coverage with AT in certain important places like 
> the gym, and even one bar at my house. I'm hoping Verizon will get better 
> coverage. By switching to a 1 GB data plan with Verizon, (I rarely use 
> more than half a gig each month), I'll actually save 10 bucks off my 
> monthly charge for the new phone and the new plan. What are the 
> advantages to Verizon over AT ? is it just a superior network overall? 
> Thanks for any help
> By the way, I selected jet black because, with the phone in hand, I 
> noticed that the finish is more "grippy" then the other finishes, And 
> doesn't slip out of my hands so easily.
> 
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
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Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.

[Scott Granados]

Chris please stop, you’re spreading bad information.

Verizon does not sell locked handsets (full stop).  Any handsets manufactured 
for and sold by or on behalf of verizon are unlocked.

There is also a true unlocked iPhone sold separately that has the Qualcomm chip 
and speaks verizon and Sprint but a phone sold from verizon will not be any 
technically different from the unlocked phone, they ship unlocked out of the 
box.


> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> OK, Ron, but, she might not be buying a locked version of the phone. She 
> might be specifically getting a Verizon locked handset, at which point, what 
> Mary is saying would be correct.
>  
> Chris.
>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Singing Sparrow 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 2:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.
>> 
>> this is not true if you get an unlocked Iphone you can use it on any carrier 
>> that you want.
>> 
>> On 11/27/2016 12:57 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>>> Regarding AT versus Verizon and coverage, you really need to check your 
>>> specific area. WhileVerizon has the broadest overall coverage nationwide, 
>>> that doesn't mean it's the best in your particular area. In other words, 
>>> you should have a sighted person whom you trust look at coverage maps, and 
>>> also be sure that once you get your phone, if the coverage proves 
>>> unsatisfactory, you have a period of time where you can return the phone 
>>> and get out of your contract with absolutely no penalty to you. You won't 
>>> be able to use that same phone on AT, because the modem in the Verizon 
>>> iPhone 7 is different from the modem in the AT and T-Mobile iPhone 7.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Nov 27, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Phil Halton >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 I'm buying a 7+ jet black 128 gig phone this week and I am going to switch 
 carriers from AT to Verizon. My questions are these: is Verizon wireless 
 at least it's good if not better than AT as far as coverage goes? I get 
 spotty coverage with AT in certain important places like the gym, and 
 even one bar at my house. I'm hoping Verizon will get better coverage. By 
 switching to a 1 GB data plan with Verizon, (I rarely use more than half a 
 gig each month), I'll actually save 10 bucks off my monthly charge for the 
 new phone and the new plan. What are the advantages to Verizon over AT ? 
 is it just a superior network overall? Thanks for any help
 By the way, I selected jet black because, with the phone in hand, I 
 noticed that the finish is more "grippy" then the other finishes, And 
 doesn't slip out of my hands so easily.
 
 
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Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, Ron, but, she might not be buying a locked version of the phone. She might 
be specifically getting a Verizon locked handset, at which point, what Mary is 
saying would be correct.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Singing Sparrow 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 2:36 PM
  Subject: Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.


  this is not true if you get an unlocked Iphone you can use it on any carrier 
that you want.




  On 11/27/2016 12:57 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

Regarding AT versus Verizon and coverage, you really need to check your 
specific area. WhileVerizon has the broadest overall coverage nationwide, that 
doesn't mean it's the best in your particular area. In other words, you should 
have a sighted person whom you trust look at coverage maps, and also be sure 
that once you get your phone, if the coverage proves unsatisfactory, you have a 
period of time where you can return the phone and get out of your contract with 
absolutely no penalty to you. You won't be able to use that same phone on AT, 
because the modem in the Verizon iPhone 7 is different from the modem in the 
AT and T-Mobile iPhone 7.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 27, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:


  Hi,

  I'm buying a 7+ jet black 128 gig phone this week and I am going to 
switch carriers from AT to Verizon. My questions are these: is Verizon 
wireless at least it's good if not better than AT as far as coverage goes? I 
get spotty coverage with AT in certain important places like the gym, and 
even one bar at my house. I'm hoping Verizon will get better coverage. By 
switching to a 1 GB data plan with Verizon, (I rarely use more than half a gig 
each month), I'll actually save 10 bucks off my monthly charge for the new 
phone and the new plan. What are the advantages to Verizon over AT ? is it 
just a superior network overall? Thanks for any help

  By the way, I selected jet black because, with the phone in hand, I 
noticed that the finish is more "grippy" then the other finishes, And doesn't 
slip out of my hands so easily.




  Sent from my IPhone


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Re: voice recorder

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

It was my understanding that Just Press Record wouldn't upload to Dropbox as 
well as Google Drive.

I was going to suggest Dropvox, but it looks like the initial poster wants both 
Dropbox and Drive integration. Dropvox only does Dropbox syncing, so, there 
went that idea.

Chris.

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  Subject: Re: voice recorder


  Just Press Record.  It's very easy to use.
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Re: voice recorder

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You mean recorder HQ? I'm not finding anything called HQ Recorder.

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  Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 9:31 AM
  Subject: Re: voice recorder


  I use HQ Recorder with my iPhone.  It can upload recordings to Dropbox or 
Google Drive.  I just found out last night that you can also get it to email 
people links to your recordings.
  Sent from my iPhone

  > On Jan 2, 2017, at 9:22 AM, Chris G  wrote:
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  > Hi,
  > I'm looking for an accessible voice recorder for ios that will allow you to 
upload your recordings to dropbox, google drive etc.
  > Does anyone have any suggestions?
  > Chris
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Re: Apple watch tutorials

[David Tanner]

The simple answer is no Apple Watch does not work with braille displays.

David Tanner

>From my iPhone 6 S

> On Jan 2, 2017, at 8:51 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> 
> Does Braille display work w/ Apple Watch?
> 
>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 6:25 PM Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> Hi there Maurice,
>> 
>> thanks for those details,
>> it is interesting to hear how someone in the deaf blind world uses one of 
>> the apple watchs,
>>  very interesting.
>> 
>> I also find it interesting to see your statement about using dragon for the 
>> mac to create the email,
>> It would appear that dragon on the mac is very good quality and well worth 
>> looking at as a voice recognition software.
>> 
>> Good luck.
>> 
>> 
>> Simon
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of maurice.mines
>> Sent: Tuesday, 3 January 2017 9:49 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple watch tutorials
>> 
>> Good afternoon everyone, I couldn’t resist. I have had the Apple Watch for 
>> about a month now. And I am positively impressed. So far, I’ve not had too 
>> many issues. It is a tiny bit different as a person who was learning how to 
>> be deaf blind. In case you’re wondering, let me explain. I am currently a 
>> student at the Helen Keller national Center for deaf and blind used in 
>> adults. It the main reason why I wound up buying the watch, is because my 
>> iPhone had to be turned into a communications device. Thanks similar to an 
>> iPad. So this created a bit of a challenge or friends, family, etc. to reach 
>> me. Basically what happens now is while staff are using my phone to contact 
>> me at least now I get a tactile reminder that there is an email, text 
>> message, or other communication from the above-mentioned groups that is 
>> waiting for me directly. The other benefit for me so far has been that when 
>> I set an alarm, say wake up each morning. I can set it on the launch it 
>> vibrates the same for the most part as the phone does. The added benefit is 
>> that the phone can stay where it normally stays in order to charge at night. 
>> I am such a light sleeper, that the watch vibrations generally do wake me up 
>> each morning. I’ve also been able to start it to tactfully remind me that it 
>> is the end of the class day should I have a class where I am essentially 
>> doing an independent study session. I’ve also successfully used at the time 
>> other things, such as laundry, as well as when I need to be at something 
>> that essence an activity that fits into class time precisely.
>> 
>> I hope my comments help anyone who may be reading this conversation, and 
>> wonders if the watch is right for them. I must stress however, that the 
>> watch may not be for everybody. I must admit that when I first purchased it, 
>> I thought okay I’m here to learn new things, let’s see if this is a 
>> beneficial use of the amount of money that it cost to purchase the watch.
>> 
>> Sincerely  maurice mines.
>> Note the above text has been dictated to the computer by means of Dragon 6.1 
>> for Mac OSx Sierra. If there are any errors in the text of my comments 
>> above, they may be the result of my other software, or the dictation 
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>> understand, please ask me, I will do my very best to clear up any 
>> misunderstandings.
>> > On Jan 2, 2017, at 2:36 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
>> >
>> > Thank your for your helpful replies.  I’ll take another look at the 
>> > applevis info now that I know it is still mostly applicable.
>> >
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Re: Apple watch tutorials

[Kevin Chao]

Does Braille display work w/ Apple Watch?

On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 6:25 PM Simon Fogarty  wrote:

> Hi there Maurice,
>
> thanks for those details,
> it is interesting to hear how someone in the deaf blind world uses one of
> the apple watchs,
>  very interesting.
>
> I also find it interesting to see your statement about using dragon for
> the mac to create the email,
> It would appear that dragon on the mac is very good quality and well worth
> looking at as a voice recognition software.
>
> Good luck.
>
>
> Simon
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of maurice.mines
> Sent: Tuesday, 3 January 2017 9:49 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple watch tutorials
>
> Good afternoon everyone, I couldn’t resist. I have had the Apple Watch for
> about a month now. And I am positively impressed. So far, I’ve not had too
> many issues. It is a tiny bit different as a person who was learning how to
> be deaf blind. In case you’re wondering, let me explain. I am currently a
> student at the Helen Keller national Center for deaf and blind used in
> adults. It the main reason why I wound up buying the watch, is because my
> iPhone had to be turned into a communications device. Thanks similar to an
> iPad. So this created a bit of a challenge or friends, family, etc. to
> reach me. Basically what happens now is while staff are using my phone to
> contact me at least now I get a tactile reminder that there is an email,
> text message, or other communication from the above-mentioned groups that
> is waiting for me directly. The other benefit for me so far has been that
> when I set an alarm, say wake up each morning. I can set it on the launch
> it vibrates the same for the most part as the phone does. The added benefit
> is that the phone can stay where it normally stays in order to charge at
> night. I am such a light sleeper, that the watch vibrations generally do
> wake me up each morning. I’ve also been able to start it to tactfully
> remind me that it is the end of the class day should I have a class where I
> am essentially doing an independent study session. I’ve also successfully
> used at the time other things, such as laundry, as well as when I need to
> be at something that essence an activity that fits into class time
> precisely.
>
> I hope my comments help anyone who may be reading this conversation, and
> wonders if the watch is right for them. I must stress however, that the
> watch may not be for everybody. I must admit that when I first purchased
> it, I thought okay I’m here to learn new things, let’s see if this is a
> beneficial use of the amount of money that it cost to purchase the watch.
>
> Sincerely  maurice mines.
> Note the above text has been dictated to the computer by means of Dragon
> 6.1 for Mac OSx Sierra. If there are any errors in the text of my comments
> above, they may be the result of my other software, or the dictation
> process. If there’s something that I’ve written that you truly didn’t
> understand, please ask me, I will do my very best to clear up any
> misunderstandings.
> > On Jan 2, 2017, at 2:36 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
> >
> > Thank your for your helpful replies.  I’ll take another look at the
> applevis info now that I know it is still mostly applicable.
> >
> > Chris
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Re: Macbook pro 2012 running slow

[Kevin Chao]

+1 to SSD and more RAM

On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 6:30 PM Simon Fogarty  wrote:

> Hi Andrew,
>
>  If you were to change the drive then I wouldn't suggest anything other
> than going an SSD, even a 7200 RPM drive is not going to add much but an
> SSD will change things dramatically.
>
>
> A spindle drive will not add much to things.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lamanche
> Sent: Tuesday, 3 January 2017 11:37 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Macbook pro 2012 running slow
>
> Tim,
>
> Thanks for this.  Do you think that installing a different drive that's
> faster might make a difference rather than SSD?  It's just that I don't
> think the owner would consider.  Can one install/swap the 5400 drive for a
> faster drive?
>
> Andrew
> > On 2 Jan 2017, at 18:30, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > In my opinion, a clean install would most likely have very minimal
> impact on the speed of that unit.  We have a number of those at work and I
> have had quite a few complaints from the users with respect to slowness and
> such like you're reporting.  These users are not VO users either.
> Performance can be improved either with more RAM or with the installation
> of an SSD.  Bumping it up to 8 GB RAM improves it somewhat, at least I got
> less complaints.  Bumping it up to 16 GB RAM improved things even more.
> The installation of the SSD would make the biggest impact though.  The one
> user that I installed 16 GB of RAM with a new SSD thought that they had a
> new computer.  They were able to use Adobe Premiere with ease after the
> update which is a very memory and processor intensive application.  The 500
> GB drives in those units are only 5400 RPM units and with 4 GB RAM, they
> just don't have the horsepower to run things in Sierra comfortably.  In
> fact, even El Capitan was giving that configuration quite a work out.
> >
> > HTH.
> >
> > Later...
> >
> > Tim Kilburn
> > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> >
> > On Jan 2, 2017, at 11:09, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> >
> > Listers,
> >
> > I'd like to ask your advise.  A friend of mine has a 2012 macbook pro
> with 4GB RAM, 2.4 GHZ processor and non-solid 500GB drive.  It seem to run
> rather frustratingly slowly.  It regularly freezes and generally
> applications take a long time to open.  Do you think it would be worth
> while to do a clean install of Sierra on it?  I'd appreciate any comments
> here.  I understand that rotating hard drives take a bit longer but it is
> after all 2.4 GHZ and they don't even use Voiceover.  I know it's slightly
> of topic, but I would be doing their clean install using Voiceover in the
> process.
> >
> > Andrew
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RE: Macbook pro 2012 running slow

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Andrew,

 If you were to change the drive then I wouldn't suggest anything other than 
going an SSD, even a 7200 RPM drive is not going to add much but an SSD will 
change things dramatically.


A spindle drive will not add much to things.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Andrew Lamanche
Sent: Tuesday, 3 January 2017 11:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Macbook pro 2012 running slow

Tim,

Thanks for this.  Do you think that installing a different drive that's faster 
might make a difference rather than SSD?  It's just that I don't think the 
owner would consider.  Can one install/swap the 5400 drive for a faster drive?

Andrew
> On 2 Jan 2017, at 18:30, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> In my opinion, a clean install would most likely have very minimal impact on 
> the speed of that unit.  We have a number of those at work and I have had 
> quite a few complaints from the users with respect to slowness and such like 
> you're reporting.  These users are not VO users either.  Performance can be 
> improved either with more RAM or with the installation of an SSD.  Bumping it 
> up to 8 GB RAM improves it somewhat, at least I got less complaints.  Bumping 
> it up to 16 GB RAM improved things even more.  The installation of the SSD 
> would make the biggest impact though.  The one user that I installed 16 GB of 
> RAM with a new SSD thought that they had a new computer.  They were able to 
> use Adobe Premiere with ease after the update which is a very memory and 
> processor intensive application.  The 500 GB drives in those units are only 
> 5400 RPM units and with 4 GB RAM, they just don't have the horsepower to run 
> things in Sierra comfortably.  In fact, even El Capitan was giving that 
> configuration quite a work out.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jan 2, 2017, at 11:09, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Listers,
> 
> I'd like to ask your advise.  A friend of mine has a 2012 macbook pro with 
> 4GB RAM, 2.4 GHZ processor and non-solid 500GB drive.  It seem to run rather 
> frustratingly slowly.  It regularly freezes and generally applications take a 
> long time to open.  Do you think it would be worth while to do a clean 
> install of Sierra on it?  I'd appreciate any comments here.  I understand 
> that rotating hard drives take a bit longer but it is after all 2.4 GHZ and 
> they don't even use Voiceover.  I know it's slightly of topic, but I would be 
> doing their clean install using Voiceover in the process.
> 
> Andrew
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RE: Apple watch tutorials

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi there Maurice, 

thanks for those details,
it is interesting to hear how someone in the deaf blind world uses one of the 
apple watchs,
 very interesting.

I also find it interesting to see your statement about using dragon for the mac 
to create the email, 
It would appear that dragon on the mac is very good quality and well worth 
looking at as a voice recognition software.

Good luck.


Simon 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of maurice.mines
Sent: Tuesday, 3 January 2017 9:49 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple watch tutorials

Good afternoon everyone, I couldn’t resist. I have had the Apple Watch for 
about a month now. And I am positively impressed. So far, I’ve not had too many 
issues. It is a tiny bit different as a person who was learning how to be deaf 
blind. In case you’re wondering, let me explain. I am currently a student at 
the Helen Keller national Center for deaf and blind used in adults. It the main 
reason why I wound up buying the watch, is because my iPhone had to be turned 
into a communications device. Thanks similar to an iPad. So this created a bit 
of a challenge or friends, family, etc. to reach me. Basically what happens now 
is while staff are using my phone to contact me at least now I get a tactile 
reminder that there is an email, text message, or other communication from the 
above-mentioned groups that is waiting for me directly. The other benefit for 
me so far has been that when I set an alarm, say wake up each morning. I can 
set it on the launch it vibrates the same for the most part as the phone does. 
The added benefit is that the phone can stay where it normally stays in order 
to charge at night. I am such a light sleeper, that the watch vibrations 
generally do wake me up each morning. I’ve also been able to start it to 
tactfully remind me that it is the end of the class day should I have a class 
where I am essentially doing an independent study session. I’ve also 
successfully used at the time other things, such as laundry, as well as when I 
need to be at something that essence an activity that fits into class time 
precisely.

I hope my comments help anyone who may be reading this conversation, and 
wonders if the watch is right for them. I must stress however, that the watch 
may not be for everybody. I must admit that when I first purchased it, I 
thought okay I’m here to learn new things, let’s see if this is a beneficial 
use of the amount of money that it cost to purchase the watch.

Sincerely  maurice mines.
Note the above text has been dictated to the computer by means of Dragon 6.1 
for Mac OSx Sierra. If there are any errors in the text of my comments above, 
they may be the result of my other software, or the dictation process. If 
there’s something that I’ve written that you truly didn’t understand, please 
ask me, I will do my very best to clear up any misunderstandings.
> On Jan 2, 2017, at 2:36 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
> 
> Thank your for your helpful replies.  I’ll take another look at the applevis 
> info now that I know it is still mostly applicable.
> 
> Chris
> 
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RE: Macbook pro 2012 running slow

[Simon Fogarty]

No Reason not  to,

 I'd also  talk to them about upping the ram to at least 8 if not 16 and also 
put an SSD in to it and see a major performance change.



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Subject: Macbook pro 2012 running slow

Listers,

I'd like to ask your advise.  A friend of mine has a 2012 macbook pro with 4GB 
RAM, 2.4 GHZ processor and non-solid 500GB drive.  It seem to run rather 
frustratingly slowly.  It regularly freezes and generally applications take a 
long time to open.  Do you think it would be worth while to do a clean install 
of Sierra on it?  I'd appreciate any comments here.  I understand that rotating 
hard drives take a bit longer but it is after all 2.4 GHZ and they don't even 
use Voiceover.  I know it's slightly of topic, but I would be doing their clean 
install using Voiceover in the process.

Andrew

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Re: Macbook pro 2012 running slow

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Yes, you can swap out the 5400 RPM drive for a 7200 RPM drive.  It will make
> a slight improvement to performance, but not the exponential improvement
> that an SSD would make.  


Hard drives are large and slow; SSDs have smaller capacity (even at the high
end, so far as I know), but they're much faster. You should use an SSD for
primary storage, but having a hard drive around is useful for backup purposes.
If you're buying a laptop, be sure that it includes an SSD.

Apple's SSDs (e.g., those in the MacBook Pro) are particularly fast.
Apparently, they connect straight into the PCI-Express bus instead of using
the older (and slower) SATA interfaces designed for hard drives.

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Re: Macbook pro 2012 running slow

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Yes, you can swap out the 5400 RPM drive for a 7200 RPM drive.  It will make a 
slight improvement to performance, but not the exponential improvement that an 
SSD would make.  While spinning HD's are much less expensive than an SSD, you 
can get 500 GB SSD's for less than $250 and the access speed is usually well 
over 60 times quicker.  In those units, it is also very easy to swap out the 
drives without taking it to a Tech.  You just need the precision screwdrivers.  
OWC sells the drives and tool kits together if needed.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 2, 2017, at 15:37, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:

Tim,

Thanks for this.  Do you think that installing a different drive that's faster 
might make a difference rather than SSD?  It's just that I don't think the 
owner would consider.  Can one install/swap the 5400 drive for a faster drive?

Andrew
> On 2 Jan 2017, at 18:30, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> In my opinion, a clean install would most likely have very minimal impact on 
> the speed of that unit.  We have a number of those at work and I have had 
> quite a few complaints from the users with respect to slowness and such like 
> you're reporting.  These users are not VO users either.  Performance can be 
> improved either with more RAM or with the installation of an SSD.  Bumping it 
> up to 8 GB RAM improves it somewhat, at least I got less complaints.  Bumping 
> it up to 16 GB RAM improved things even more.  The installation of the SSD 
> would make the biggest impact though.  The one user that I installed 16 GB of 
> RAM with a new SSD thought that they had a new computer.  They were able to 
> use Adobe Premiere with ease after the update which is a very memory and 
> processor intensive application.  The 500 GB drives in those units are only 
> 5400 RPM units and with 4 GB RAM, they just don't have the horsepower to run 
> things in Sierra comfortably.  In fact, even El Capitan was giving that 
> configuration quite a work out.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jan 2, 2017, at 11:09, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Listers,
> 
> I'd like to ask your advise.  A friend of mine has a 2012 macbook pro with 
> 4GB RAM, 2.4 GHZ processor and non-solid 500GB drive.  It seem to run rather 
> frustratingly slowly.  It regularly freezes and generally applications take a 
> long time to open.  Do you think it would be worth while to do a clean 
> install of Sierra on it?  I'd appreciate any comments here.  I understand 
> that rotating hard drives take a bit longer but it is after all 2.4 GHZ and 
> they don't even use Voiceover.  I know it's slightly of topic, but I would be 
> doing their clean install using Voiceover in the process.
> 
> Andrew
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Re: Macbook pro 2012 running slow

[Andrew Lamanche]

Tim,

Thanks for this.  Do you think that installing a different drive that's faster 
might make a difference rather than SSD?  It's just that I don't think the 
owner would consider.  Can one install/swap the 5400 drive for a faster drive?

Andrew
> On 2 Jan 2017, at 18:30, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> In my opinion, a clean install would most likely have very minimal impact on 
> the speed of that unit.  We have a number of those at work and I have had 
> quite a few complaints from the users with respect to slowness and such like 
> you're reporting.  These users are not VO users either.  Performance can be 
> improved either with more RAM or with the installation of an SSD.  Bumping it 
> up to 8 GB RAM improves it somewhat, at least I got less complaints.  Bumping 
> it up to 16 GB RAM improved things even more.  The installation of the SSD 
> would make the biggest impact though.  The one user that I installed 16 GB of 
> RAM with a new SSD thought that they had a new computer.  They were able to 
> use Adobe Premiere with ease after the update which is a very memory and 
> processor intensive application.  The 500 GB drives in those units are only 
> 5400 RPM units and with 4 GB RAM, they just don't have the horsepower to run 
> things in Sierra comfortably.  In fact, even El Capitan was giving that 
> configuration quite a work out.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jan 2, 2017, at 11:09, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Listers,
> 
> I'd like to ask your advise.  A friend of mine has a 2012 macbook pro with 
> 4GB RAM, 2.4 GHZ processor and non-solid 500GB drive.  It seem to run rather 
> frustratingly slowly.  It regularly freezes and generally applications take a 
> long time to open.  Do you think it would be worth while to do a clean 
> install of Sierra on it?  I'd appreciate any comments here.  I understand 
> that rotating hard drives take a bit longer but it is after all 2.4 GHZ and 
> they don't even use Voiceover.  I know it's slightly of topic, but I would be 
> doing their clean install using Voiceover in the process.
> 
> Andrew
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Re: VoiceOver on the locked screen of an iPhone

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello All,

Apologies, I thought I had replied to the list that I had solved the issue. By 
2 forced resets and I was able to start VO by doing a triple clip of the home 
button. I knew the volume was okay as it was chattering which I assumed it 
meant that the backup had completed. But it just seemed like it had froze. It 
was very stressful.

Thanks to all those who offered suggestions.

Gena

> On 2 Jan 2017, at 03:58, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Also, connect directly with your cables to iTunes and restart accessibility.  
> One of the issues is this can get to a state where triple press wasn’t 
> enabled and voice over gets stuck so starting with Siri doesn’t work.
> 
> Like Simon suggests as well, check your volume first but if all else fails 
> enable accessibility again under a directly connected iTunes session.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 1, 2017, at 10:27 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Georgina 
>> 
>> Have you tried increasing the Volume to see if it's turned up?
>> 
>> I've heard of this happening before,
>> 
>> Also if you've had Bluetooth headphones or speakers connected check that 
>> they aren't on and taking over the audio.
>> 
>> The other thing to check would be a triple press of the home key so three 
>> quick presses on the home key can if setup at start up turn on the Voiceover 
>> system.
>> 
>> Note that you should try turning up the volume first because if vo is 
>> already running then your likely to turn voiceover off using triple click 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
>> Sent: Monday, 2 January 2017 6:48 AM
>> To: AppleVis List 
>> Subject: VoiceOver on the locked screen of an iPhone
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I’ve a problem with my iPhone. I tried to do a backup restore. Now the phone 
>> is silent and iTunes states that I need to enter the passcode on the iPhone. 
>> Being an iPhone 7 I can click the home button and feel the haptic feedback. 
>> But I can’t get it to speak to me at all. “Hey siri turn on VoiceOver” 
>> doesn’t work. I’ve clicked the home button in threes many times but no sound 
>> comes from the speakers. How can I get VO to speak so that I can enter my 
>> passcode?
>> 
>> Any ideas?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Gena 
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Re: Apple watch tutorials

[maurice.mines]

Good afternoon everyone, I couldn’t resist. I have had the Apple Watch for 
about a month now. And I am positively impressed. So far, I’ve not had too many 
issues. It is a tiny bit different as a person who was learning how to be deaf 
blind. In case you’re wondering, let me explain. I am currently a student at 
the Helen Keller national Center for deaf and blind used in adults. It the main 
reason why I wound up buying the watch, is because my iPhone had to be turned 
into a communications device. Thanks similar to an iPad. So this created a bit 
of a challenge or friends, family, etc. to reach me. Basically what happens now 
is while staff are using my phone to contact me at least now I get a tactile 
reminder that there is an email, text message, or other communication from the 
above-mentioned groups that is waiting for me directly. The other benefit for 
me so far has been that when I set an alarm, say wake up each morning. I can 
set it on the launch it vibrates the same for the most part as the phone does. 
The added benefit is that the phone can stay where it normally stays in order 
to charge at night. I am such a light sleeper, that the watch vibrations 
generally do wake me up each morning. I’ve also been able to start it to 
tactfully remind me that it is the end of the class day should I have a class 
where I am essentially doing an independent study session. I’ve also 
successfully used at the time other things, such as laundry, as well as when I 
need to be at something that essence an activity that fits into class time 
precisely.

I hope my comments help anyone who may be reading this conversation, and 
wonders if the watch is right for them. I must stress however, that the watch 
may not be for everybody. I must admit that when I first purchased it, I 
thought okay I’m here to learn new things, let’s see if this is a beneficial 
use of the amount of money that it cost to purchase the watch.

Sincerely  maurice mines.
Note the above text has been dictated to the computer by means of Dragon 6.1 
for Mac OSx Sierra. If there are any errors in the text of my comments above, 
they may be the result of my other software, or the dictation process. If 
there’s something that I’ve written that you truly didn’t understand, please 
ask me, I will do my very best to clear up any misunderstandings.
> On Jan 2, 2017, at 2:36 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
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> Thank your for your helpful replies.  I’ll take another look at the applevis 
> info now that I know it is still mostly applicable.
> 
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Re: Verizon versus AT, new phone and questions.

[Singing Sparrow]

this is not true if you get an unlocked Iphone you can use it on any 
carrier that you want.



On 11/27/2016 12:57 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
Regarding AT versus Verizon and coverage, you really need to check 
your specific area. WhileVerizon has the broadest overall coverage 
nationwide, that doesn't mean it's the best in your particular area. 
In other words, you should have a sighted person whom you trust look 
at coverage maps, and also be sure that once you get your phone, if 
the coverage proves unsatisfactory, you have a period of time where 
you can return the phone and get out of your contract with absolutely 
no penalty to you. You won't be able to use that same phone on AT, 
because the modem in the Verizon iPhone 7 is different from the modem 
in the AT and T-Mobile iPhone 7.


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 27, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Phil Halton > wrote:



Hi,

I'm buying a 7+ jet black 128 gig phone this week and I am going to 
switch carriers from AT to Verizon. My questions are these: is 
Verizon wireless at least it's good if not better than AT as far as 
coverage goes? I get spotty coverage with AT in certain important 
places like the gym, and even one bar at my house. I'm hoping Verizon 
will get better coverage. By switching to a 1 GB data plan with 
Verizon, (I rarely use more than half a gig each month), I'll 
actually save 10 bucks off my monthly charge for the new phone and 
the new plan. What are the advantages to Verizon over AT ? is it 
just a superior network overall? Thanks for any help


By the way, I selected jet black because, with the phone in hand, I 
noticed that the finish is more "grippy" then the other finishes, And 
doesn't slip out of my hands so easily.




Sent from my IPhone

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Re: Apple watch tutorials

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Thank your for your helpful replies.  I’ll take another look at the applevis 
info now that I know it is still mostly applicable.

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Re: Macbook pro 2012 running slow

[Mike Arrigo]

I would try the clean install option, I do this every time a new 
operating system comes out. 4 GB should be enough memory for decent 
speed. I have a 2010 macbook with 4 GB and it runs fine, I would give 
the clean install a try.

Original message:

Listers,


I'd like to ask your advise.  A friend of mine has a 2012 macbook pro 
with 4GB RAM, 2.4 GHZ processor and non-solid 500GB drive.  It seem to 
run rather frustratingly slowly.  It regularly freezes and generally 
applications take a long time to open.  Do you think it would be worth 
while to do a clean install of Sierra on it?  I'd appreciate any 
comments here.  I understand that rotating hard drives take a bit 
longer but it is after all 2.4 GHZ and they don't even use Voiceover.  
I know it's slightly of topic, but I would be doing their clean install 
using Voiceover in the process.



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Re: Macbook pro 2012 running slow

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

In my opinion, a clean install would most likely have very minimal impact on 
the speed of that unit.  We have a number of those at work and I have had quite 
a few complaints from the users with respect to slowness and such like you're 
reporting.  These users are not VO users either.  Performance can be improved 
either with more RAM or with the installation of an SSD.  Bumping it up to 8 GB 
RAM improves it somewhat, at least I got less complaints.  Bumping it up to 16 
GB RAM improved things even more.  The installation of the SSD would make the 
biggest impact though.  The one user that I installed 16 GB of RAM with a new 
SSD thought that they had a new computer.  They were able to use Adobe Premiere 
with ease after the update which is a very memory and processor intensive 
application.  The 500 GB drives in those units are only 5400 RPM units and with 
4 GB RAM, they just don't have the horsepower to run things in Sierra 
comfortably.  In fact, even El Capitan was giving that configuration quite a 
work out.

HTH.

Later...

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On Jan 2, 2017, at 11:09, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:

Listers,

I'd like to ask your advise.  A friend of mine has a 2012 macbook pro with 4GB 
RAM, 2.4 GHZ processor and non-solid 500GB drive.  It seem to run rather 
frustratingly slowly.  It regularly freezes and generally applications take a 
long time to open.  Do you think it would be worth while to do a clean install 
of Sierra on it?  I'd appreciate any comments here.  I understand that rotating 
hard drives take a bit longer but it is after all 2.4 GHZ and they don't even 
use Voiceover.  I know it's slightly of topic, but I would be doing their clean 
install using Voiceover in the process.

Andrew

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Macbook pro 2012 running slow

[Andrew Lamanche]

Listers,

I'd like to ask your advise.  A friend of mine has a 2012 macbook pro with 4GB 
RAM, 2.4 GHZ processor and non-solid 500GB drive.  It seem to run rather 
frustratingly slowly.  It regularly freezes and generally applications take a 
long time to open.  Do you think it would be worth while to do a clean install 
of Sierra on it?  I'd appreciate any comments here.  I understand that rotating 
hard drives take a bit longer but it is after all 2.4 GHZ and they don't even 
use Voiceover.  I know it's slightly of topic, but I would be doing their clean 
install using Voiceover in the process.

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Re: Apple watch tutorials

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Hi,
Here is a link to the Apple Watch tutorial created by Lisa Salinger.

http://www.mysticaccess.com/other-audio-tutorials/audio-tutorial-for-the-apple-watch-by-mystic-access

If you have seen Lisa's work on other sites, that should speak for 
itself on the quality as it is her baby and she had full creative 
license on the tutorial.


It is a 4.5 hour tutorial and it comes in both audio DAISY and MP3 format.

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Sent: Monday, Jan 2, 2017 12:43 PM EST
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple watch tutorials

Hi Chris.
99 forcent of the tutorials on AppleVis concerning the first gen of the 
Apple Watch are the same in the sense that the operation of VO has not 
changed. The one major difference is the former "friends" button on the 
watch which now takes you to the dock. This was covered in updated 
podcasts when Watch OS 3 was released. Mystic Access also has a paid 
tutorial which I do not know how well it is. I know that Lisa Salinger 
does it and that her audio presentations on other sites are very solid 
and helpful.


HTH,
Scott

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On Jan 2, 2017, at 12:36 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:

Hello,
Are there any voiceOver tutorials with watch 2.0?  Applevis site is 
lacking anything recent!


I borrowed my wife’s watch, but don’t have a clue on how to use it with 
VO.  What do the digital crown and friends buttons do?


Any help appreciated!

Chris

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Re: Apple watch tutorials

[Scott Davert]

Hi Chris.
99 forcent of the tutorials on AppleVis concerning the first gen of the Apple 
Watch are the same in the sense that the operation of VO has not changed. The 
one major difference is the former "friends" button on the watch which now 
takes you to the dock. This was covered in updated podcasts when Watch OS 3 was 
released. Mystic Access also has a paid tutorial which I do not know how well 
it is. I know that Lisa Salinger does it and that her audio presentations on 
other sites are very solid and helpful.

HTH,
Scott

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 2, 2017, at 12:36 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> Are there any voiceOver tutorials with watch 2.0?  Applevis site is lacking 
> anything recent!  
> 
> I borrowed my wife’s watch, but don’t have a clue on how to use it with VO.  
> What do the digital crown and friends buttons do?
> 
> Any help appreciated!
> 
> Chris
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Apple watch tutorials

[Chris Moore]

Hello,
Are there any voiceOver tutorials with watch 2.0?  Applevis site is lacking 
anything recent!  

I borrowed my wife’s watch, but don’t have a clue on how to use it with VO.  
What do the digital crown and friends buttons do?

Any help appreciated!

Chris

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Re: reading battery level in sierra, and a few other things

[Mike Arrigo]

I would be fine with a percentage on the status menu if it was 
accessible, fortunately there are other ways to get it. Yes, the new 
processors have something called turbo boost, as far as I know, the end 
user has no control over the setting, though there may be a hidden 
command to change the processor speed.

Original message:
From all I've read, it's not as simple as that. The new processors have 
two modes, one high-power and one low-power, between which they switch 
constantly. Thus, any battery time indicator on the new Pro will almost 
certainly be inaccurate, because a few minutes at high power could be 
the same as a longer time at low power. This would cause the time 
estimate to be all over the place. Apple therefore decided to just show 
you the remaining percentage, just like it's done on iOS since the beginning.


Personally, I much prefer this, or I would if I could read it. :) I'm 
so used to percentage only on iOS, and gauging time left by where my 
percentage is at a given point in the day, that it makes more sense to 
me. We all know no laptop battery time estimate is going to be very 
good, so I like having the raw percentage and doing my own estimate. 
Yes, there's more Apple could do here with better and more complex 
algarithms and models, but for now, this feels like a good solution and 
not the scandal some on Twitter and in the media want it to become. But 
that's just me.



Sent from my iPhone



On Dec 31, 2016, at 10:18, Mike Arrigo  wrote:


Command+space is actually the default spotlight command, you could 
change that in keyboard preferences, but that's the default.

On Dec 31, 2016, at 9:05 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:


I don't knowhow, but my new Pro is set to open Spotlight when you hit 
cmd-space. If you hold that down for  a second, though, Siri appears.



Sent from my iPhone



On Dec 31, 2016, at 09:23, Donna Goodin  wrote:



One small correction, I think you mean Option+Space. :)
Cheers,
Donna

On Dec 31, 2016, at 6:32 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:


As of Sierra, you can. Hold down cmd-space until you hear the tone, 
then speak. As far as I can tell, this is like iOS in that you can keep 
holding the keys down, or release them immediately and let Siri figure 
out, by a pause in your speaking, when you've finished your command.



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On Dec 31, 2016, at 07:27, 'Eleanor Roberts' via MacVisionaries 
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Hi. This is all very helpful. Just out of interest, how do you use Siri 
on the Mac?? I use it on my IPhone etc all the time, but didn't know 
you could do it on Mac too.



Thanks.



Eleanor



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On 31 Dec 2016, at 05:00, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
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I have a Macbook Air. I didn't have a problem checking battery status 
until I updated my mac a couple of weeks ago. I use siri to check the 
battery, very easy to do.

Peggy and Dixie Marie



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On Dec 30, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:


Hey everyone, going to cover a few different things in one message. 
First, as the subject says, has anyone else had issues reading the time 
remaining or percentage of a macbook battery in sierra? This happens on 
my 2010 macbook, and my girl friend's 2015 macbook pro. While in the 
status menus, moving left and right with the voiceover cursor allows 
you to get to the battery item, but it just says battery or something 
similar, no time remaining or percentage, this happens whether the 
option to show the percentage is checked or not in the menu. The only 
way I know of to get around this is to check it in the energy saver 
settings in system preferences. Interestingly, you can no longer use 
the regular arrow keys to navigate the status menus, you must use VO 
navigation. I don't mind this, actually it's more consistent this way 
since before, the arrow keys only navigated built in items like wifi or 
the battery, third party items such as dropbox always have required VO 
navigation to access them.
I can confirm that on the 2010 macbook, the same issue I had with my 
2010 mac mini does happen, when using Alex, speech disappears, 
sometimes for a few seconds, sometimes completely, again, switching to 
a Nuance voice resolved it.
I actually got a Christmas present for myself, a new mac mini, the 
issue does not happen on the newer hardware. I am using a fit headless 
adapter connected to the HDMI port, out of curiosity, I decided to 
disconnect it and see if voiceover was as sluggish as it used to be, 
surprisingly, I didn't notice much difference. I didn't run it this way 
for a long time, but I wonder if Apple has finally fixed this issue for 
voiceover users. If not, the fit headless adapter is definitely a good 
solution.



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Re: My Macbook Pro 2010 battery and HD

[Mike Arrigo]

You might be able to get a few extra years out of it if you can live 
without running the latest version of the mac operating system.

Original message:
So far, I’m very impressed at how fast apps load! I think it is worth 
it. I replaced the 500GB 7200 rpm hd with a 750 SSD. They gave me back 
the old hard drive. It is in a static proof bag. I put it in a drawer, 
just in case I ever needed it. It appears they restored al my data for 
me. Hoping to get a couple of years more out of this machine. This is 
the longest I’ve ever owned any laptop. I’m quite happy.



On Dec 30, 2016, at 9:52 PM, Simon Fogarty > wrote:


I'm also looking at updating a hard drive and battery in a mac book pro 
2011, the battery price alone here in NZ is more than you paid for your 
ssd and battery or at least the work done price.


With 16 gig of ram in the machine it should give the owner / user 
another couple of years and once finished with gives me an ssd that I 
can use in an external drive case.



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Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2016 3:54 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries >

Subject: Re: My Macbook Pro 2010 battery and HD


I think the upgrade was well worth it! It was much cheaper than buying 
a new one, and If I can get another year oth of it then great!



On Dec 30, 2016, at 8:33 PM, Mike Arrigo > wrote:


I've thought about upgrading to an SSD for my 2010 macbook, but I 
probably won't for a couple reasons. First, apparently upgrading the 
firmware on SSD drives that are not provided by Apple is next to 
impossible with mac OS, Apple does not provide the low level access to 
the hardware that developers would need to do this. Second, I can't say 
for sure, but I'm guessing that Sierra may be the last operating system 
that will work with this mac, which means I would be upgrading next 
year to a new laptop next year, probably a macbook air, so I may not 
have this macbook long enough to make it worth the upgrade. The SSD 
drives are awesome though, my girl friend's macbook pro literally boots 
in about 5 seconds.



On Dec 30, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
> wrote:




Hi guys:
Well, I finally received my Mac Batttery and 750GB SSD. Took it to the 
authorized Apple repair center and I am quite pleased. All I had to do 
was turn on voiceover. All data had been restored for me. The SSD is 
way faster! I’m quite pleased. They even replaced the bottom case that 
had all the tabs worn off. Looks brand new. Not bad for $150 worth of work.
Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 




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Re: Join Me in Requesting that VoiceOver Accessibility be Added to Head Space, an iOS Voice Guided Meditation App

[E.T.]

Ho Mark,
   I also heard about this app on the news and installed it. The 
inaccessibility was brought to the developer's attention 2 years ago so 
it looks like we need to pile it on. Which I will do after I play with 
the app a bit.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 1/2/2017 4:34 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Hi Mark,

Done.  In the meantime, you might want to try the app Omvana.  It sounds 
similar.  I don't use it often, so can't guarantee it's 100% accessible, but if 
not, most of it is.
Cheers,
Donna

On Jan 2, 2017, at 1:00 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello Everyone and Happy New Year to you all.

A voice guided iOS meditation app, Head Space, was showcased on the NBC
weekend news, yesterday.  The basic features of the app are free so I
decided to give it a try.

I was most impressed, however, sadly, at present, I cannot recommend it for
blind/ low vision users as some of the initial screens and subsequent
controls are not VoiceOver accessible.

So, please join me in requesting that VoiceOver accessibility be added.

While there is no direct email address available, a very simple and
easy-to-use request form may be submitted at:
https://help.headspace.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

Of course, you may also submit a request for accessibility via the app's
page in the App Store at:
https://appsto.re/us/WUmzD.i

Finally, I will paste in some information about the app below my signature.

As always, thank you all for your support,

Mark

Headspace: Guided Meditation and Mindfulness
By Headspace meditation limited

Customer Reviews
My favorite app
by olivia24

This is the only app I pay for, and it's certainly my favorite. I have used
it for 2 years and it keeps me on track with my meditation practice. There
are "packs" I like more than others, but overall I'm really impressed with
the simple and effective guided sessions. It keeps me accountable and it
provides me with lots of guided meditations to choose from, including
exercises on sleeping, happiness, focus, appreciation, anxiety, etc. What I
pay for the app is less than going to one in-person meditation class a
month, so it's well worth it for me considering how much of an improvement I
see in my mood and outlook when I'm meditating.

In terms of cons, my biggest pet peeve about the app is that if you decide
midway through a pack of themed sessions that you don't like it, or want to
switch to a different pack, the only way to do that requires losing all your
progress -- you have to finish your current pack before starting a new one.
Some packs are 30 sessions, which makes this quite a commitment. For
example, I didn't like the "relationship" pack and I was actually avoiding
meditation or sticking with the "classic singles" (unthemed guided or
unguided meditations that you can do whenever without disrupting your
progress through a specific course). When I realized how silly that was, I
switched to a new pack -- losing all my progress in the relationship pack,
which I'd gotten something like 20 days into. Annoying.

Overall though, I highly recommend it!

An unexpected blessing
by Katyia
I never write reviews but I'm compelled to write this one. I battle with
anxiety and PTSD. I've been introduced to meditation in the past and found
it slow and boring. I was never able to sit still long enough to keep up the
practice. Recently my doctor suggested this app and from the first day I was
hooked. I find Andy's voice peaceful, calming, and compassionate in what
feels to me to be a very noisy, scary world sometimes.
I am only on day 5 of the first 10 days, but already I feel more in tune
with my body and mind. I'm having more compassion for myself and my chronic
health issues and I actually take the time to sit down and meditate because
I'm important and this is "me" time!
I look forward to this every day and last night when I was struggling to
sleep, I used some of the tools I've learned already, to help me fall off to
sleep. I believe in meditation now, and I'm excited to see the changes that
will come from learning how to meditate. In some ways this app is a
lifesaver and I believe can help add years to my life by helping me deal
with my chronic health issues. I had no hope that this app would help but It
is definitely an unexpected blessing.

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Re: Join Me in Requesting that VoiceOver Accessibility be Added to Head Space, an iOS Voice Guided Meditation App

[Kevin Chao]

"Hey Google, talk to Head Space" is perfectly accessible with Google Home
(smart-speakered powered-by Google Assistant).

On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 4:34 AM Donna Goodin  wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> Done.  In the meantime, you might want to try the app Omvana.  It sounds
> similar.  I don't use it often, so can't guarantee it's 100% accessible,
> but if not, most of it is.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> > On Jan 2, 2017, at 1:00 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> >
> > Hello Everyone and Happy New Year to you all.
> >
> > A voice guided iOS meditation app, Head Space, was showcased on the NBC
> > weekend news, yesterday.  The basic features of the app are free so I
> > decided to give it a try.
> >
> > I was most impressed, however, sadly, at present, I cannot recommend it
> for
> > blind/ low vision users as some of the initial screens and subsequent
> > controls are not VoiceOver accessible.
> >
> > So, please join me in requesting that VoiceOver accessibility be added.
> >
> > While there is no direct email address available, a very simple and
> > easy-to-use request form may be submitted at:
> > https://help.headspace.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
> >
> > Of course, you may also submit a request for accessibility via the app's
> > page in the App Store at:
> > https://appsto.re/us/WUmzD.i
> >
> > Finally, I will paste in some information about the app below my
> signature.
> >
> > As always, thank you all for your support,
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > Headspace: Guided Meditation and Mindfulness
> > By Headspace meditation limited
> >
> > Customer Reviews
> > My favorite app
> > by olivia24
> >
> > This is the only app I pay for, and it's certainly my favorite. I have
> used
> > it for 2 years and it keeps me on track with my meditation practice.
> There
> > are "packs" I like more than others, but overall I'm really impressed
> with
> > the simple and effective guided sessions. It keeps me accountable and it
> > provides me with lots of guided meditations to choose from, including
> > exercises on sleeping, happiness, focus, appreciation, anxiety, etc.
> What I
> > pay for the app is less than going to one in-person meditation class a
> > month, so it's well worth it for me considering how much of an
> improvement I
> > see in my mood and outlook when I'm meditating.
> >
> > In terms of cons, my biggest pet peeve about the app is that if you
> decide
> > midway through a pack of themed sessions that you don't like it, or want
> to
> > switch to a different pack, the only way to do that requires losing all
> your
> > progress -- you have to finish your current pack before starting a new
> one.
> > Some packs are 30 sessions, which makes this quite a commitment. For
> > example, I didn't like the "relationship" pack and I was actually
> avoiding
> > meditation or sticking with the "classic singles" (unthemed guided or
> > unguided meditations that you can do whenever without disrupting your
> > progress through a specific course). When I realized how silly that was,
> I
> > switched to a new pack -- losing all my progress in the relationship
> pack,
> > which I'd gotten something like 20 days into. Annoying.
> >
> > Overall though, I highly recommend it!
> >
> > An unexpected blessing
> > by Katyia
> > I never write reviews but I'm compelled to write this one. I battle with
> > anxiety and PTSD. I've been introduced to meditation in the past and
> found
> > it slow and boring. I was never able to sit still long enough to keep up
> the
> > practice. Recently my doctor suggested this app and from the first day I
> was
> > hooked. I find Andy's voice peaceful, calming, and compassionate in what
> > feels to me to be a very noisy, scary world sometimes.
> > I am only on day 5 of the first 10 days, but already I feel more in tune
> > with my body and mind. I'm having more compassion for myself and my
> chronic
> > health issues and I actually take the time to sit down and meditate
> because
> > I'm important and this is "me" time!
> > I look forward to this every day and last night when I was struggling to
> > sleep, I used some of the tools I've learned already, to help me fall
> off to
> > sleep. I believe in meditation now, and I'm excited to see the changes
> that
> > will come from learning how to meditate. In some ways this app is a
> > lifesaver and I believe can help add years to my life by helping me deal
> > with my chronic health issues. I had no hope that this app would help
> but It
> > is definitely an unexpected blessing.
> >
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Re: voice recorder

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Just Press Record.  It's very easy to use.
Donna
> On Jan 2, 2017, at 8:22 AM, Chris G  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I'm looking for an accessible voice recorder for ios that will allow you to 
> upload your recordings to dropbox, google drive etc.
> Does anyone have any suggestions?
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Re: voice recorder

[Ryan Mann]

I use HQ Recorder with my iPhone.  It can upload recordings to Dropbox or 
Google Drive.  I just found out last night that you can also get it to email 
people links to your recordings.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 2, 2017, at 9:22 AM, Chris G  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I'm looking for an accessible voice recorder for ios that will allow you to 
> upload your recordings to dropbox, google drive etc.
> Does anyone have any suggestions?
> Chris
> 
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Re: setting up e-mail

[Ryan Mann]

Hello.  I don't know what your Mac skills are, so I'm giving step-by-step 
instructions.
Open Mail.
Hit VO M to open the menu bar. VO means hold down either Caps Lock or the 
Control and option keys.
Right arrow to Mail.
 Down arrow to Accounts and press Enter.
VO Right arrow to New Accounts table.
VO Shift Down arrow to enteract.
In the table, find the type of account.  If it is a Gmail account, find Google.
Hit Vo Space.
You will probably be asked for your email address.  Type it in then VO Space on 
the Next button.
Type your password then there is either a Next or Continue button that you VO 
Space on.  I forget which.
If you have any problems, I will send you a private email with my phone number.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 2, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Lois Butterfield  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
>  
> I have a new mac book air and am trying to learn my way around it with VO.
>  
> I am having trouble setting up my E-mail accounts, however.  I can’t seem to 
> get where I need to be to do this.  I was hoping I could just sync my 
> accounts from my phone, but I haven’t been able to figure out how to do that 
> either.
>  
> Could someone please give me some hints as to how to do this or point me in 
> the direction to a podcast or tutorial.  I have checked applevis and have not 
> found anything.
>  
> Thank you so much.
>  
> Lois
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voice recorder

[Chris G]

Hi,
I'm looking for an accessible voice recorder for ios that will allow you 
to upload your recordings to dropbox, google drive etc.

Does anyone have any suggestions?
Chris


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Re: My 10 Favorite iOS Apps of 2016

[Jessica Moss]

Some of them are, I unfortunately don’t see that with the app for the credit 
union I currently bank with, which is accessible one minute, then in every 
other update they release, the interface changes so much that it has tons of 
unlabeled buttons, or several updates later, it becomes somewhat readable again 
aside from me wanting to transfer money from one account to another.  If I want 
to do that, I have to put my finger in various places on the screen, because 
the app either freezes when I try to scroll through it, or the cursor seems to 
not want to stay focused.  I remember the same thing being an issue with the 
shipt app until about 5 or 6 updates later, and I have no idea what was done to 
fix that.
> On Dec 31, 2016, at 5:55 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> E.T. the banking IOS apps are far better than a full complicated web page.  
> You get a nice clean interface, very easy to use anywhere and you can use 
> your thumb print to unlock things instead of remembering a code.  I love it 
> myself.
> 
>> On Dec 30, 2016, at 6:31 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Mark,
>>  Nice way to wrap up the old year. How do those banking iOS apps compare to 
>> access via the web? This may be what I should work on in the new year.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> I have seen the truth and it makes no sense.
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 12/30/2016 12:28 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> As the end of the year approaches, I thought I would share with you my
>>> favorite iOS apps as of 2016.
>>> 
>>> First, keep in mind that I use all of the apps, listed below, via VoiceOver.
>>> 
>>> Second, let me say that my most absolutely favorite apps are those of my
>>> banking institutions.  For security reasons, I will not list them here but
>>> suffice it to say that they afford me an independence which I would never
>>> have dreamed possible even a few short years ago.  I like them so much so
>>> that I conduct virtually all of my financial business via iOS.
>>> 
>>> Third, I do not like, nore do I use subscription-based apps so none are
>>> listed here.
>>> 
>>> Fourth, I will not list the native iOS apps, save two, because we all have
>>> instant access to them and, no doubt, have various opinions that will not be
>>> swayed one way or the other by public comment.
>>> 
>>> The two native iOS apps that I have come to rely on a great deal are:
>>> 1.
>>> The Maps app.  This app has gotten better and better with each passing year
>>> so much so that it has freed me from the subscription-based A T & T
>>> Navigator app, which, for many years, was a must-have for me.  I use this
>>> app not only to facilitate vehicle navigation but also as a business
>>> telephone number and address lookup directory.
>>> 
>>> And
>>> 2.
>>> The native iOS Wallet app with Apple Pay.  This iOS feature has truly
>>> revolutionized my purchasing experience; if you have not yet done so, by all
>>> means, give it a try.
>>> 
>>> Okay, on to my 10 favorite third-party iOS apps which are listed in no
>>> particular order, almost (smile).
>>> 
>>> 1.
>>> The official Twitter app.  Hands-down, this is my favorite app of all time.
>>> It's informative, fast and easy to use, fun, and allows me to participate in
>>> the global conversation.  In fact, just the other day, the Wendy's
>>> restaurant chain posted one of my tweets to their page.
>>> 
>>> 2.
>>> The CVS Pharmacy app.  This app has greatly reduced the amount of time it
>>> takes me to order/refill my prescriptions.  It also has a wonderful reminder
>>> feature for those who need help remembering when to take their meds.
>>> 
>>> 3.
>>> The TV Guide Mobile app.  Simply stated, with over 400 cable channels to
>>> choose from, I don't know how I would manage my television viewing without
>>> this marvelous tool that allows me to quickly and easily find what I want
>>> when I want it.  The best part is that it provides episode descriptions.
>>> This is great when watching a marathon as I can determine which episodes I
>>> want to see, hour-by-hour.
>>> 
>>> 4.
>>> The Over Drive app.  As surprising as it may seem, recently I have been
>>> using this app on a daily basis in order to enjoy commercially available
>>> audiobooks.  While the BARD/NLS app will always remain a must-have resource,
>>> I find that it's easier to find more recently produced titles via Over
>>> Drive.  I strongly suggest that you become a member of as many public
>>> library systems as possible in order to maximize the number of available
>>> titles ready for download.  For example, I currently have three library
>>> cards.  I belong to two local city library systems and one local county
>>> library system.
>>> 
>>> 5.
>>> Seeing Eye GPS XT and Nearby Explorer.  I use the iOS native Maps apps for
>>> vehicle navigation and business lookup but when traveling alone, my go to
>>> apps are both Seeing Eye and Nearby Explorer.
>>> 
>>> 6.
>>> The 

setting up e-mail

[Lois Butterfield]

Hello everyone,

I have a new mac book air and am trying to learn my way around it with VO.

I am having trouble setting up my E-mail accounts, however.  I can’t seem to 
get where I need to be to do this.  I was hoping I could just sync my accounts 
from my phone, but I haven’t been able to figure out how to do that either.

Could someone please give me some hints as to how to do this or point me in the 
direction to a podcast or tutorial.  I have checked applevis and have not found 
anything.

Thank you so much.

Lois

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Re: Join Me in Requesting that VoiceOver Accessibility be Added to Head Space, an iOS Voice Guided Meditation App

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Mark,

Done.  In the meantime, you might want to try the app Omvana.  It sounds 
similar.  I don't use it often, so can't guarantee it's 100% accessible, but if 
not, most of it is.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jan 2, 2017, at 1:00 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone and Happy New Year to you all.
> 
> A voice guided iOS meditation app, Head Space, was showcased on the NBC
> weekend news, yesterday.  The basic features of the app are free so I
> decided to give it a try.
> 
> I was most impressed, however, sadly, at present, I cannot recommend it for
> blind/ low vision users as some of the initial screens and subsequent
> controls are not VoiceOver accessible.  
> 
> So, please join me in requesting that VoiceOver accessibility be added.  
> 
> While there is no direct email address available, a very simple and
> easy-to-use request form may be submitted at:  
> https://help.headspace.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
> 
> Of course, you may also submit a request for accessibility via the app's
> page in the App Store at:
> https://appsto.re/us/WUmzD.i
> 
> Finally, I will paste in some information about the app below my signature.
> 
> As always, thank you all for your support,
> 
> Mark
> 
> Headspace: Guided Meditation and Mindfulness
> By Headspace meditation limited
> 
> Customer Reviews
> My favorite app 
> by olivia24 
> 
> This is the only app I pay for, and it's certainly my favorite. I have used
> it for 2 years and it keeps me on track with my meditation practice. There
> are "packs" I like more than others, but overall I'm really impressed with
> the simple and effective guided sessions. It keeps me accountable and it
> provides me with lots of guided meditations to choose from, including
> exercises on sleeping, happiness, focus, appreciation, anxiety, etc. What I
> pay for the app is less than going to one in-person meditation class a
> month, so it's well worth it for me considering how much of an improvement I
> see in my mood and outlook when I'm meditating.
> 
> In terms of cons, my biggest pet peeve about the app is that if you decide
> midway through a pack of themed sessions that you don't like it, or want to
> switch to a different pack, the only way to do that requires losing all your
> progress -- you have to finish your current pack before starting a new one.
> Some packs are 30 sessions, which makes this quite a commitment. For
> example, I didn't like the "relationship" pack and I was actually avoiding
> meditation or sticking with the "classic singles" (unthemed guided or
> unguided meditations that you can do whenever without disrupting your
> progress through a specific course). When I realized how silly that was, I
> switched to a new pack -- losing all my progress in the relationship pack,
> which I'd gotten something like 20 days into. Annoying.
> 
> Overall though, I highly recommend it! 
> 
> An unexpected blessing 
> by Katyia 
> I never write reviews but I'm compelled to write this one. I battle with
> anxiety and PTSD. I've been introduced to meditation in the past and found
> it slow and boring. I was never able to sit still long enough to keep up the
> practice. Recently my doctor suggested this app and from the first day I was
> hooked. I find Andy's voice peaceful, calming, and compassionate in what
> feels to me to be a very noisy, scary world sometimes.
> I am only on day 5 of the first 10 days, but already I feel more in tune
> with my body and mind. I'm having more compassion for myself and my chronic
> health issues and I actually take the time to sit down and meditate because
> I'm important and this is "me" time!
> I look forward to this every day and last night when I was struggling to
> sleep, I used some of the tools I've learned already, to help me fall off to
> sleep. I believe in meditation now, and I'm excited to see the changes that
> will come from learning how to meditate. In some ways this app is a
> lifesaver and I believe can help add years to my life by helping me deal
> with my chronic health issues. I had no hope that this app would help but It
> is definitely an unexpected blessing. 
> 
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Re: Join Me in Requesting that VoiceOver Accessibility be Added to Head Space, an iOS Voice Guided Meditation App

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Mark,

done. Funnily enough I discovered the same last weekend. I came across Head 
Space in a radio feature about meditation. Sounds great.

All the best
Jürgen

> Am 02.01.2017 um 08:00 schrieb M. Taylor :
> 
> Hello Everyone and Happy New Year to you all.
> 
> A voice guided iOS meditation app, Head Space, was showcased on the NBC
> weekend news, yesterday.  The basic features of the app are free so I
> decided to give it a try.
> 
> I was most impressed, however, sadly, at present, I cannot recommend it for
> blind/ low vision users as some of the initial screens and subsequent
> controls are not VoiceOver accessible.  
> 
> So, please join me in requesting that VoiceOver accessibility be added.  
> 
> While there is no direct email address available, a very simple and
> easy-to-use request form may be submitted at:  
> https://help.headspace.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
> 
> Of course, you may also submit a request for accessibility via the app's
> page in the App Store at:
> https://appsto.re/us/WUmzD.i
> 
> Finally, I will paste in some information about the app below my signature.
> 
> As always, thank you all for your support,
> 
> Mark
> 
> Headspace: Guided Meditation and Mindfulness
> By Headspace meditation limited
> 
> Customer Reviews
> My favorite app 
> by olivia24 
> 
> This is the only app I pay for, and it's certainly my favorite. I have used
> it for 2 years and it keeps me on track with my meditation practice. There
> are "packs" I like more than others, but overall I'm really impressed with
> the simple and effective guided sessions. It keeps me accountable and it
> provides me with lots of guided meditations to choose from, including
> exercises on sleeping, happiness, focus, appreciation, anxiety, etc. What I
> pay for the app is less than going to one in-person meditation class a
> month, so it's well worth it for me considering how much of an improvement I
> see in my mood and outlook when I'm meditating.
> 
> In terms of cons, my biggest pet peeve about the app is that if you decide
> midway through a pack of themed sessions that you don't like it, or want to
> switch to a different pack, the only way to do that requires losing all your
> progress -- you have to finish your current pack before starting a new one.
> Some packs are 30 sessions, which makes this quite a commitment. For
> example, I didn't like the "relationship" pack and I was actually avoiding
> meditation or sticking with the "classic singles" (unthemed guided or
> unguided meditations that you can do whenever without disrupting your
> progress through a specific course). When I realized how silly that was, I
> switched to a new pack -- losing all my progress in the relationship pack,
> which I'd gotten something like 20 days into. Annoying.
> 
> Overall though, I highly recommend it! 
> 
> An unexpected blessing 
> by Katyia 
> I never write reviews but I'm compelled to write this one. I battle with
> anxiety and PTSD. I've been introduced to meditation in the past and found
> it slow and boring. I was never able to sit still long enough to keep up the
> practice. Recently my doctor suggested this app and from the first day I was
> hooked. I find Andy's voice peaceful, calming, and compassionate in what
> feels to me to be a very noisy, scary world sometimes.
> I am only on day 5 of the first 10 days, but already I feel more in tune
> with my body and mind. I'm having more compassion for myself and my chronic
> health issues and I actually take the time to sit down and meditate because
> I'm important and this is "me" time!
> I look forward to this every day and last night when I was struggling to
> sleep, I used some of the tools I've learned already, to help me fall off to
> sleep. I believe in meditation now, and I'm excited to see the changes that
> will come from learning how to meditate. In some ways this app is a
> lifesaver and I believe can help add years to my life by helping me deal
> with my chronic health issues. I had no hope that this app would help but It
> is definitely an unexpected blessing. 
> 
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