Re: Watch OS or voiceover bug

[Scott Granados]

I’m not sure where the bug is coming from but I can confirm it’s a known bug.  
I’ve reported it to accessibility at apple as have many others.  The reading on 
the watch face is correct in my experience.  The one in the control center 
either sticks at 79 or reads incorrectly.

> On Apr 2, 2017, at 5:24 PM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> I've had my Apple Watch less than a week now so not very experienced.
> When I first got it, I updated the OS to 3.2, so I don't know if this 
> behavior was also in the previous version. I use a watch face with 
> complication for battery life.
> 
> Thing is, The complication on the watch face, and the battery status in the 
> control centre, is often spoken as two different values by voiceover. The one 
> will for example report The battery life to be at 79%, while the other report 
> it as 85%.
> Anyone know whether this is a Voice over bug or a WatchOS 3.2 bug?
> 
> Nickus
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Re: Here is an Article on How to Cause a Computer to be Untrusted by an iOS Device

[Scott Granados]

Sounds like you have a job for the government in the Maryland or Northern 
Virginia area in your future with a three letter agency and a secret zip code.  
They like iPhone cracking tricks.

(Actually, I say that and thinking about it you might actually be in that line 
of work) so I’ll conclude my comments here.;)

> On Apr 3, 2017, at 2:31 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> AH, so if I can break into your computer as any user, I should be able to 
> create a backup of your IOS device if I have your IOS device. Also 
> considering the location of the files, every user on a Macintosh gets trusted 
> by the IOS device.
> 
> Good things to consider when you have important data on your phone.
> 
>  Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 1:50 PM M. Taylor  > wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I recently had a need to untrust a previously trusted computer in
> conjunction with an iOS device.
> 
> Of course, the easiest way to cause all previously trusted computers to be
> untrusted by an iOS device is to simply reset the Privacy and Location
> settings on the device, itself; but that's kind of a nuclear option that
> demands that one manually reconfigure any custom privacy and location
> settings on the device.
> 
> The following article, however, describes a more precise method to remove a
> device's trusted certificate from the computer, using the computer, itself.
> This, in my opinion, is a much better solution than the reset option.
> 
> I will only paste in the link to the article as its method is meant for more
> advanced users.
> 
> http://osxdaily.com/2016/01/21/ios-lockdown-folder-location-reset-lockdown-m
> ac-windows/ 
> 
> 
> Enjoy and Good Luck,
> 
> Mark
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Re: free or paid vpn that works with Voiceover on Mac and iOS?

[Scott Granados]

Ah Simon, it’s like this, I’ve never seen Unix kill anyone, I have seen Windows 
though.  This was a long time ago but when I was on a support call where 
someone died as a result of a windows crash I never put any faith in it again.  
That combined with the DOD (department of defense). Complete lack of security 
certification.  I know things have improved but in my opinion, Microsoft is a 
consumer operating system at best and has no place in the real operations 
world.  Thankfully, most large providers and enterprises agree with me.

That being said, I’m absolutely certain there is a port of open VPN for 
windows.  Clients are no problem and plentiful and servers are available at 
openvpn.org  if memory serves.

Also remember Netgear routers among others include Open VPN as a feature you 
can simply enable.



> On Apr 4, 2017, at 3:14 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> What drugs you taking dude?
> 
> Linux ain't my bucket of chicken,
> 
> Windows is a differnet kettle of fish,
> I can find my way around linux / unix but still not what I call fun.
> 
> Is there a windows version of Open VPN ?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2017 2:15 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: free or paid vpn that works with Voiceover on Mac and iOS?
> 
> Hi Simon, for a highly skilled unix administrator like your self, you could 
> do it in your sleep. As a newly and someone who wants to break in to unix 
> administration like some on the list may be, a very easy but worth while 
> project.
> 
> I could write something up for instructions but basically.  You use yum or 
> apt-get install open vpn and the rsa kit for generating certs, you issue a 
> certificate authority, use that to issue certs for your machine, write a 
> small configuration file for the server and one per client and then just push 
> the config and certs / keys to each client and load them in to the client 
> software.  Most of this is automatic.  Very simple and very powerful.  You 
> can use 4096 bit keys or stronger and sha512 hashes.  That will even give 
> Uncle Sam and the tappers a run for their money.
> 
> I think you could do this on a raspberry pie 3 no problem the only issue is 
> you only have 1 ethernet so you’ll need to use the WiFi as an access point 
> and or join the network with the WiFi and use the ethernet as the inside.  
> You could also install an ethernet USB dongle to add another wired port.
> 
> Also remember, nether routers include open vpn in their higher end gear 
> already set up.
> 
>> On Apr 3, 2017, at 4:23 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott,
>> 
>> How complicated is open VPN to setup?
>> 
>> And yeah could it be setup on a raspberry pi 3?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
>> Sent: Monday, 3 April 2017 4:56 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: free or paid vpn that works with Voiceover on Mac and iOS?
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Does a server means that you can have a raspberry pi to act as a vpn server 
>> to?
>> This could be something to dig into.
>> /A
>>> 2 apr. 2017 kl. 18:23 skrev Scott Granados :
>>> 
>>> My suggestion is to use Open VPN on a server. While you have the ongoing 
>>> server cost as little as $5 per month, you do have a lot more flexibility.  
>>> You can attach your phone, tablets, or Mac with totally free clients 
>>> (windows as well) that are totally accessible.  Y ou also have the 
>>> advantage of not necessarily being in a VPN database so you’re not blocked 
>>> from Netflix for example.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 1, 2017, at 11:30 PM, Cameron Strife  
 wrote:
 
 Hi everybody. I'm looking for a vpn that is reliable and works with
 voiceover on OSX, iOS, and any screen reader on windows, although
 that last point is no big deal either way. Free or a one time
 license fee would be preferred.
 
 I've found that express vpn works very well with voiceover but I
 don't want to pay fourteen dollars a month forever to use it.
 
 I bought a lifetime subscription to shymo vpn and while the specs
 are good, it's not working on the older mac that I use for various
 internet activities.
 
 Anyways, I tried hide me vpn for mac that didn't even want to launch
 for some reason, and, I recently tried cyberghost on mac and windows
 and had no joy on either operating system...
 
 I see that tiger vpn for mac, iOS, and windows is on sale for $29
 for the next two days. I don't see anything about accessibility on
 any platform anywhere though and don't want to waste more money on a
 vpn I won't be able to use.
 
 

Re: Apple confirms new iMacs in late 2017 and Mac Pro in the future.

[Scott Granados]

I’ve seen dream works and another production house run some software that 
parallelizes the rendering process across all the Macs.  You can start your 
render farm and all the clients contribute to the rendering in a distributed 
fashion using background cycles.

If you think about it, that’s a lot of horse power you have at your disposal, 
especially if you include the GPUs.

> On Apr 4, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> All used for Adobe stuff like PhotoShop, Illustrator and Premiere.  2012 
> models with HD's needed upgraded to a bit quicker and with SSD's this time.  
> The 2012 models can still be used elsewhere in our facilities, but want the 
> quicker ones for the processing oomph.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 4, 2017, at 16:58, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> 20 iMacs, wow.  Sounds like a good candidate for clustering software.
> 
>> On Apr 4, 2017, at 6:51 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> And I just bought 20 iMacs.  Oh well, didn't feel like waiting anyway.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 4, 2017, at 16:03, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Interesting article that confirms the iMac will be updated late in 2017 with 
>> “pro features”.  Apple is hinting at iMacs with high end pro features.  I 
>> can’t wait, this sounds like multiprocessor and high end memory 
>> configurations.
>> 
>> Read more here
>> http://www.redmondpie.com/2017-imac-with-pro-features-coming-late-in-the-year-confirms-apple/
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Re: Deal, free or paid vpn that works with Voiceover on Mac and iOS?

[Scott Granados]

Hi Nancy, let me give you a bit of background.

VPN stands for virtual private network.  Basically what it means is there can 
be network resources or services you want to get to privately and securely.  
Another use, your use most likely, is you want to secure the communication from 
your device to a wired secure destination where someone in the middle can’t 
grab your information on the way by.  Say you were at a public WiFi point and 
you didn’t use a VPN.  It’s possible for example with my computer I could be 
sitting a table over from you and grab your name / password and over time more 
and more critical data as you use your computer not even knowing what I’m up 
to.  So a VPN encrypts that data and makes it impossible for me to intercept.  
That’s very important for public WiFi.

They are very easy to use.  A client is installed on your computer and you 
activate it by clicking connect on a panel or at most entering in a name and 
password.  If you use keys you may hit connect only and not need anything more 
than that.  In other cases you can have them automatically connect once booted. 
 It’s up to the user.  Typically they are quite accessible on most platforms, 
options range from free on up and it’s a matter of installing software.

There are other types of VPNs and all sorts of configurations, I’m going to 
leave them out for now as to not confuse you worse then I may have already.  
Let me know if you have any questions.

> On Apr 4, 2017, at 8:28 PM, Nancy Badger  wrote:
> 
> Are you saying that this one actually does work with voiceover? I don't know 
> anything about VPNs. Are they easy to use? Thanks in advance.
> Nancy
> 
> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
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>> On Apr 4, 2017, at 9:30 AM, -dan d.  wrote:
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>> 
>> Current deal, $29 lifetime membership.
>> 
>> ScienceAlert deal: TigerVPN can help protect your browsing history from ISPs
>> 
>> http://www.sciencealert.com/sciencealert-deal-tigervpn-can-help-protect-your-browsing-history-from-internet-service-providers
>> 
>> XB
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Re: how to remove system dialogs

[Jonathan Cohn]

Only time I have seen these was from dropbox. Try exiting dropbox if it is the 
culprit there is a way to turn this off, but I would need to check the archive.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 



> On Apr 4, 2017, at 7:31 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
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> Hello,
> I have a couple system dialogs which I want to remove.  They say “unknown”, 
> and there are no close buttons.  I thought that a reboot would help, but no.
> Are system dialogs part of the Mac, or are they unique to voiceOver?
> 
> Thanks
> Chris
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Re: Deal, free or paid vpn that works with Voiceover on Mac and iOS?

[Nancy Badger]

Are you saying that this one actually does work with voiceover? I don't know 
anything about VPNs. Are they easy to use? Thanks in advance.
Nancy

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Re: windows keyboard not passing some of the commands to voice over?

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

What is the exact key sequence you are attempting? Also, is everything US 
English (software and keyboards)?

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 

> On Apr 4, 2017, at 2:36 PM, The wolf  wrote:
> 
> Hello I am aware of the 2 keys being switched
> 
> how ever it still isn't bringing up the minue when I try to do the command
> this is really really strange because when I had my mac mini about a year and 
> a half ago I nefver ran in to this problem before and I was using a windows 
> keyboard at the time when I had my mac.
> my friend is running the latest osx on a macbook air.
> is there anything else that I can try?
> thanks
> Hank
> 
>> On 4/4/2017 11:27 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> It sounds to me that the keys are just mapped differently.  Yes, it is 
>> totally possible to use a non-Apple keyboard.  The usual difference is that 
>> the ctrl-and option keys are not together on the Windows keyboard.  That is, 
>> on the Windows keyboard, the cmd and Option keys are switched around, Option 
>> is the Alt key and cmd is the Windows key.  So, on the Windows keyboard, 
>> when you press the ctrl key and the key just to the right of it, the normal 
>> thing you'd do on your Mac, it's a different key combination than you 
>> expect.  To the Mac, you're pressing the ctrl and the cmd key.  Thus VO 
>> commands aren't recognized.  You can either map the keys differently in the 
>> Keyboard pane of System Prefs, or just get used to pressing the ctrl and Alt 
>> keys to use VO commands.
>> 
>> Hope this makes sense.
>> 
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 4, 2017, at 11:57, The wolf  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello
>> I am trying to help one of my friends on her mac.
>> she is using a windows bluetooth keyboard
>> the command that allows you to get in to a minue isn't working what so ever 
>> so fore example when I open a app I can't get to the minues
>> is there something that I need to change?
>> we tried several keyboards external and bluetooth the command only works 
>> when using the macbook keyboard.
>> surely there is a way to fix so folks can use non apple keyboards?
>> if any one could help me out with this it would be greatly appreciated.
>> thanks
>> Hank
>> 
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how to remove system dialogs

[Chris Moore]

Hello,
I have a couple system dialogs which I want to remove.  They say “unknown”, and 
there are no close buttons.  I thought that a reboot would help, but no.
Are system dialogs part of the Mac, or are they unique to voiceOver?

Thanks
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Re: Apple confirms new iMacs in late 2017 and Mac Pro in the future.

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All used for Adobe stuff like PhotoShop, Illustrator and Premiere.  2012 models 
with HD's needed upgraded to a bit quicker and with SSD's this time.  The 2012 
models can still be used elsewhere in our facilities, but want the quicker ones 
for the processing oomph.

Later...

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20 iMacs, wow.  Sounds like a good candidate for clustering software.

> On Apr 4, 2017, at 6:51 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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> And I just bought 20 iMacs.  Oh well, didn't feel like waiting anyway.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 4, 2017, at 16:03, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Interesting article that confirms the iMac will be updated late in 2017 with 
> “pro features”.  Apple is hinting at iMacs with high end pro features.  I 
> can’t wait, this sounds like multiprocessor and high end memory 
> configurations.
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Re: Apple confirms new iMacs in late 2017 and Mac Pro in the future.

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20 iMacs, wow.  Sounds like a good candidate for clustering software.

> On Apr 4, 2017, at 6:51 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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> And I just bought 20 iMacs.  Oh well, didn't feel like waiting anyway.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 4, 2017, at 16:03, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Interesting article that confirms the iMac will be updated late in 2017 with 
> “pro features”.  Apple is hinting at iMacs with high end pro features.  I 
> can’t wait, this sounds like multiprocessor and high end memory 
> configurations.
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> Read more here
> http://www.redmondpie.com/2017-imac-with-pro-features-coming-late-in-the-year-confirms-apple/
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Re: Apple confirms new iMacs in late 2017 and Mac Pro in the future.

[Tim Kilburn]

And I just bought 20 iMacs.  Oh well, didn't feel like waiting anyway.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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Interesting article that confirms the iMac will be updated late in 2017 with 
“pro features”.  Apple is hinting at iMacs with high end pro features.  I can’t 
wait, this sounds like multiprocessor and high end memory configurations.

Read more here
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Apple confirms new iMacs in late 2017 and Mac Pro in the future.

[Scott Granados]

Interesting article that confirms the iMac will be updated late in 2017 with 
“pro features”.  Apple is hinting at iMacs with high end pro features.  I can’t 
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Re: windows keyboard not passing some of the commands to voice over?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Do other VO-commands work?

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 4, 2017, at 12:36, The wolf  wrote:

Hello I am aware of the 2 keys being switched

how ever it still isn't bringing up the minue when I try to do the command
this is really really strange because when I had my mac mini about a year and a 
half ago I nefver ran in to this problem before and I was using a windows 
keyboard at the time when I had my mac.
my friend is running the latest osx on a macbook air.
is there anything else that I can try?
thanks
Hank

On 4/4/2017 11:27 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> It sounds to me that the keys are just mapped differently.  Yes, it is 
> totally possible to use a non-Apple keyboard.  The usual difference is that 
> the ctrl-and option keys are not together on the Windows keyboard.  That is, 
> on the Windows keyboard, the cmd and Option keys are switched around, Option 
> is the Alt key and cmd is the Windows key.  So, on the Windows keyboard, when 
> you press the ctrl key and the key just to the right of it, the normal thing 
> you'd do on your Mac, it's a different key combination than you expect.  To 
> the Mac, you're pressing the ctrl and the cmd key.  Thus VO commands aren't 
> recognized.  You can either map the keys differently in the Keyboard pane of 
> System Prefs, or just get used to pressing the ctrl and Alt keys to use VO 
> commands.
> 
> Hope this makes sense.
> 
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 4, 2017, at 11:57, The wolf  wrote:
> 
> Hello
> I am trying to help one of my friends on her mac.
> she is using a windows bluetooth keyboard
> the command that allows you to get in to a minue isn't working what so ever 
> so fore example when I open a app I can't get to the minues
> is there something that I need to change?
> we tried several keyboards external and bluetooth the command only works when 
> using the macbook keyboard.
> surely there is a way to fix so folks can use non apple keyboards?
> if any one could help me out with this it would be greatly appreciated.
> thanks
> Hank
> 

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Re: jumping to the top of an email box

[Gabe Griffith]

Hi Alex,
That is good to know.
Thanks for the info. 

Gabe


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> On Apr 3, 2017, at 3:33 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
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> Just to clarify, the command is generally just option-up or option-down. Also 
> note that this works on most tables, such as in Night Owl, Finder, and plenty 
> of others. It fails in some apps, but it's at least worth a try. Also, I've 
> found that you shouldn't be interacting with the table in question when you 
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>> On Apr 2, 2017, at 23:14, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Thanks both for your responses. Both of these commands seem to work but the 
>> opt-cmd up or down I find much easier as they have about half the key 
>> commands.
>> 
>> Thanks again,
>> 
>> Gabe
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 1, 2017, at 3:58 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
>>> 
>>> How about cmd-opt-up and cmd-opt-down
>>> Chris
 On Apr 1, 2017, at 12:47 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Use FN-VO-shift-left to go to the beginning, FN-VO-shift-right to get to 
 the end.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Apr 1, 2017, at 09:53, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I have a late 2011 macbook pro running sierra. Can anyone tell me the 
 command to jump to the top of an email box? I sometimes need to go in and 
 look at either sent or deleted messages and find myself several hundred 
 emails down in the list and can't figure out the command to immediately 
 jump to the top of that list.
 
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Re: windows keyboard not passing some of the commands to voice over?

[The wolf]

Hello I am aware of the 2 keys being switched

how ever it still isn't bringing up the minue when I try to do the command
this is really really strange because when I had my mac mini about a 
year and a half ago I nefver ran in to this problem before and I was 
using a windows keyboard at the time when I had my mac.

my friend is running the latest osx on a macbook air.
is there anything else that I can try?
thanks
Hank

On 4/4/2017 11:27 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

It sounds to me that the keys are just mapped differently.  Yes, it is totally 
possible to use a non-Apple keyboard.  The usual difference is that the 
ctrl-and option keys are not together on the Windows keyboard.  That is, on the 
Windows keyboard, the cmd and Option keys are switched around, Option is the 
Alt key and cmd is the Windows key.  So, on the Windows keyboard, when you 
press the ctrl key and the key just to the right of it, the normal thing you'd 
do on your Mac, it's a different key combination than you expect.  To the Mac, 
you're pressing the ctrl and the cmd key.  Thus VO commands aren't recognized.  
You can either map the keys differently in the Keyboard pane of System Prefs, 
or just get used to pressing the ctrl and Alt keys to use VO commands.

Hope this makes sense.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 4, 2017, at 11:57, The wolf  wrote:

Hello
I am trying to help one of my friends on her mac.
she is using a windows bluetooth keyboard
the command that allows you to get in to a minue isn't working what so ever so 
fore example when I open a app I can't get to the minues
is there something that I need to change?
we tried several keyboards external and bluetooth the command only works when 
using the macbook keyboard.
surely there is a way to fix so folks can use non apple keyboards?
if any one could help me out with this it would be greatly appreciated.
thanks
Hank



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Re: windows keyboard not passing some of the commands to voice over?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

It sounds to me that the keys are just mapped differently.  Yes, it is totally 
possible to use a non-Apple keyboard.  The usual difference is that the 
ctrl-and option keys are not together on the Windows keyboard.  That is, on the 
Windows keyboard, the cmd and Option keys are switched around, Option is the 
Alt key and cmd is the Windows key.  So, on the Windows keyboard, when you 
press the ctrl key and the key just to the right of it, the normal thing you'd 
do on your Mac, it's a different key combination than you expect.  To the Mac, 
you're pressing the ctrl and the cmd key.  Thus VO commands aren't recognized.  
You can either map the keys differently in the Keyboard pane of System Prefs, 
or just get used to pressing the ctrl and Alt keys to use VO commands.

Hope this makes sense.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 4, 2017, at 11:57, The wolf  wrote:

Hello
I am trying to help one of my friends on her mac.
she is using a windows bluetooth keyboard
the command that allows you to get in to a minue isn't working what so ever so 
fore example when I open a app I can't get to the minues
is there something that I need to change?
we tried several keyboards external and bluetooth the command only works when 
using the macbook keyboard.
surely there is a way to fix so folks can use non apple keyboards?
if any one could help me out with this it would be greatly appreciated.
thanks
Hank

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Re: Monitoring Heart Rate in Real Time

[E.T.]

   Don't wait on me, Simon, the more folks that speak up the better. 
(smiles)


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  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 4/4/2017 12:25 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Hi ET,

 That's the app I use for cycling,
 Yeah would like to know how you get on,



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On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2017 3:16 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Monitoring Heart Rate in Real Time

I think Wahoo Fitness is the one I will focus on and contact its developers 
and make some noise. I tried doing that with Polar Beat some time back and see 
its pointless.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
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E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 4/3/2017 1:29 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Hi ET,

 I have the H7 Also and a wahoo HR HRM pretty much the same as the H7,

 I can't get much more than a delayed read out form the apps I've
tried,

It's not the HRM devices, they're some of the best you ca get without going to 
the big cost research devices.

 I haven't been able to find an app that gives real time HR read outs.

I now use one that is from Wahoo called Wahoo Fitness, allows me to
keep track of my cycling workout Good luck.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Monday, 3 April 2017 8:18 AM
To: MacVisionaries 
Subject: Monitoring Heart Rate in Real Time

Its been a while since I checked into this and since related apps have been 
updated, I want to ask about it. Is it possible to get this data in real time 
while working out? I have the Polar H7 HRM.

I tried testing with the Polar Beat, Wahoo Fitness and Apple's Health apps. 
The first two I can only refresh by tapping the data.

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windows keyboard not passing some of the commands to voice over?

[The wolf]

Hello
I am trying to help one of my friends on her mac.
she is using a windows bluetooth keyboard
the command that allows you to get in to a minue isn't working what so 
ever so fore example when I open a app I can't get to the minues

is there something that I need to change?
we tried several keyboards external and bluetooth the command only works 
when using the macbook keyboard.

surely there is a way to fix so folks can use non apple keyboards?
if any one could help me out with this it would be greatly appreciated.
thanks
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Please Join Me in Requesting That The New 140-Character Reply Feature, introduced in the Latest Version of the iOS Twitter App, Be Made VoiceOver Accessible

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

I am cross-posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries mailing
list.

The following is the new feature, introduced in the latest version of
Twitter for iOS:

[BEGIN DESCRIPTION]:
6.75.2:

1.
A few minor updates to make Twitter an even better place.

2.
You can now watch Periscope videos directly from a Moment. 

3.
We're changing replies so that you have all 140 characters to express
yourself. When you reply to a Tweet, @usernames will not automatically be
added to the beginning of the reply, giving you all 140 characters to use in
your response. You can see the full list of participant usernames in the
conversation by clicking or tapping the prompt above the Tweet.
[END DESCRIPTION]

In short, the new 140-character Reply feature is not available when
VoiceOver is enabled.

Please join me in requesting that the new 140-character Reply feature be
made VoiceOver accessible.  

The following is a short request that you are free to use in your feedback
to Twitter:

[BEGIN REQUEST]
Subject:
Request to Make the Latest 140-Character Reply Feature Available to
VoiceOver Users

Hello,  

Please make the new 140-character reply feature, introduced in version
6.75.2, available to blind and low vision users, via VoiceOver.

Thank you,
[END REQUEST]

The following is my Tweet on this matter:
[BEGIN TWEET]:
Please make the new #iOS @Twitter 140-character Reply feature available to
#VoiceOver users. Thank you. @Support
[END TWEET]

Post your request in the App Store, as a review, send a tweet to both
@support and @Twitter, and 
Submit a formal request to Twitter via the feedback form located at:
https://support.twitter.com/forms/feature_report?feature=tweets.

As always, thank you for your support and I'll see you on Twitter at:
@MarkMarcus.

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Re: iMovie and Voiceover

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

I eventually figured it out at least well enough to do what needed doing.  
Actions do in fact follow the play head, but I misheard the shortcut for 
splitting the clip, so I thought it didn’t work and assumed the focus for the 
action must not be in sync.  As far as I can tell, there’s no way to select 
segments with VO, but one can use shortcuts to break the clip and then trim out 
the unwanted portion from the beginning of the second clip.  To get the end off 
I broke it where I wanted to stop and then deleted that clip.  I gave up on iOS.

> On Apr 3, 2017, at 8:58 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Larry,
> 
> While I have never used iMovie in Mac OS, I use it semi regularly on iOS and 
> I can tell you that there are several options that are simply not VoiceOver 
> accessible.  As I have enough residual vision to work around this 
> accessibility limitation, I can tell you that, despite my requests that Apple 
> address this matter, nothing, as yet, has been done.
> 
> I strongly suspect that the same may be true for iMovie in Mac OS.
> 
> Mark
> 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Thacker Jr.
> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 12:37 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iMovie and Voiceover
> 
> This may seem like a strange request, but I have the need to do some very 
> basic video editing.  All I really need to do is cut pieces of the video out. 
>  I’ve figured out how to trim off the front, but selecting sections in the 
> middle to cut out or even splitting the clip so that I can cut off the 
> desired part of the second one is eluding me.  Is there a way to get the 
> selection position to come to the play head the way Amadeus works for audio?  
> I’d be as happy to work on it in iOS if that’s easier.  Trimming is easier, 
> but I still don’t see a way to cut pieces from the interior.
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Re: Bootcamp or buy a PC?

[Eric Brinkman]

Will my AirPods work if I'm running windows via BootCamp? I like being able to 
use them while running my virtual machine.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 4, 2017, at 3:38 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> As a user of bootcamp I would say go with that,
> 
> If you've got a 750gig hard drive then you've got a heap of space and it's on 
> only the windows installation you will have trouble with,
> 
> If anything use windows 10 I find it more stable and quicker than windows 7,
> 
> You would then need Jaws 17 or 18 to work with it,
> The bootcamp setup is very easy with vo and all you need is a dvd or ISO of 
> windows to install from.
> 
> Good luck and hope this helps,
> 
> Surely someone around work could give you a hand for 30 minutes.
> 
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> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I have a MacBook Pro with a 750 gig solid state drive, 16 gigs of ram, a 2.7 
> GHZ Intel Core I7, and an Intel HD 4000 graphics card.  I have been using it 
> since late 2012 with Windows 7 as a virtual machine, but am becoming 
> increasingly unhappy with the performance.  VoiceOver has numerous bugs, even 
> with Apple native applications like iTunes.  Some websites are extremely 
> sluggish in Safari with VO.  I still can't use Spotify with VO although I can 
> use it with Jaws.  The virtual machine has its own set of problems.  I am 
> unable to open certain powerpoint presentations, for instance.  I sometimes 
> get errors when trying to install applications.  Since I use Windows at work, 
> I am thinking about purchasing a Windows laptop.  However my MBP is still a 
> powerful machine from a specs standpoint, so I hate to abandon it.  Should I 
> consider trying Bootcamp?  My main problem with that is that I cannot set it 
> up without sighted assistance, and I live alone.  Should I upgrade from 
> Windows 7 to Windows 10?  Should I try NVDA instead of Jaws?  Any suggestions 
> from people who have used Bootcamp or NVDA would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Eric
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Recording videos with Photo Booth?

[Sharon Hooley]

Hi,

Does anyone record videos using latest version of Mac OS?  Is it accessible at 
all?

Thanks,

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Deal, free or paid vpn that works with Voiceover on Mac and iOS?

[-dan d.]

Current deal, $29 lifetime membership.

ScienceAlert deal: TigerVPN can help protect your browsing history from ISPs

http://www.sciencealert.com/sciencealert-deal-tigervpn-can-help-protect-your-browsing-history-from-internet-service-providers

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Re: the new iPad 9.7"

[Alex Hall]

For those considering the Mini over the iPad 5, remember that the Mini is less 
powerful and more expensive. The only Mini option is $399 for the 128GB 
version, while the iPad 5 starts at $329 for 32GB. Yes, for the same storage, 
the 5 is more expensive, but if you only need 32GB you can save money and get a 
more powerful device. Just something to keep in mind, especially for iOS 
updates in the years to come.

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> On Apr 4, 2017, at 03:28, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Yeah it’s a new entry level device,
> Lighter and cheaper  other than that I would go with the mini 4 again,
>  
> Or even better an iPad Pro Mini
>  Now that I’d really go for,
>  
> Only thing is that I found it bloody difficult tryng to write with a pen / 
> pencil again, when using the 12 inch Pro iPad.
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
> Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2017 3:48 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: the new iPad 9.7"
>  
> Hi. The screen is a bit of a downgrade as it’s the same quality as the one on 
> the iPad Air. I wouldn’t purchase this model as it is fragile and far from 
> being solid. The Pro line is a better option or stick to the Air 2. 
> On 29 Mar 2017, at 08:23, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
> Hi Alex,
>  
> Yeah those are the only things I could really see.
>  
> Processor as the a9 is still behind the iPhone 7x processor but think the a10 
> is in  the pro iPads,
>  
> Better screen slightly lighter and I wasn’t sure for a start but is the price 
> really down slightly?
>  
> Here in nz the 5 128 GB models are: 699 for wifi,
> 919 for wifi / cellular 
>  Still bloody costly,
>  
> I’m happy currently with my mini 4 
> Would bein heaven if I could rdp in t o my windows machines and macs for that 
> matter with speech access.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Wednesday, 29 March 2017 1:00 AM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries  >
> Subject: Re: the new iPad 9.7"
>  
> The reasons I can see are:
>  
> * They were able to rename it to the iPad, thus simplifying the iPad lineup
>  
> * They upped the CPU, from the A8X of the Air 2 to the A9.
>  
> * They made some changes to the screen and body, letting them lower the price 
> to offer a more compelling entry-level tablet
>  
> 
> --
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>  
>  
>  
>  
> On Mar 28, 2017, at 04:57, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
> Hi Folks,
>  
> Guessing others have heard this,
>  
> Cant’ really see why apple have bothered,
> The new iPad 5  9.7” 
> Hasn’t really changed much since the air2.
>  
>  
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Re: Mail Threading is working again and I love my Earpods.

[Robert Hill]

Hi again,

I want to appologize to Jonathan, I called you John in my previous message.

Bob




Sent from Bob's Braille Sense U2
 

- Original Message -
From: Robert Hill  
To:  macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
CC: 
Date: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:50 am
Subject: Re: Mail Threading is working again and I love my Earpods.

>
>
> HI Mark and all,
> 
> What I do is when I come to a message thread, I flick up until I hear "expand 
> Thread" and double tap on that.
> Next when I hear how many messages are in the thread, I flick right that many 
> times so I find the first message which is then read to me.
> Then I flick left to proceed to the rest of the messages in the thread.
> 
> John, you mentioned the sort order of the messages might play a part in this 
> issue.
> I don't know how to change the sort order in iOS.
> Could you let me know how to change this if this is possible?
> 
> Thanks for clarification.
> 
> Bob Hill.
> 
> 
> On Apr 3, 2017, at 10:03 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> 
> You are absolutely correct in your observation.  The sorting setting only 
> works when the second method of viewing threaded messages, not described in 
> this conversation, is used.  
> 
> I was told by Apple engineers, when I first brought this to their attention a 
> couple of months ago, that this is not, in fact, a bug but, rather, done on 
> purpose so that both iOS and Mac OS mail would be, effectively the same.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hill
> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 1:56 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mail Threading is working again and I love my Earpods.
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> I have one problem with reading threaded messages this way. 
> 
> It seems that no matter which way I have the settings for displaying newest 
> message on top, I always have the newest one on top. It seems like this 
> setting doesn't take for me. 
> 
> Bob Hill 
> 
> 
> Sent from Bob's iPhone  7 
> 
>> On Apr 3, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Lovely Mark.
>> 
>> I will do as you describe as I was doing the other method which I do not 
>> like, for my I phone.
>> 
>> Thank you again.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 3 Apr 2017, at 08:15, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Jessica,
>>> 
>>> There are two ways to conveniently read messages, in threaded view, in the 
>>> latest version of iOS.
>>> 
>>> I will briefly describe only one of them in this post.
>>> 
>>> 1.
>>> In Settings, Select Mail.
>>> 
>>> 2.
>>> Set Preview to OFF.
>>> 
>>> 3.
>>> Set "Organize by Thread" to ON.
>>> 
>>> 4.
>>> Set Most Recent Message on Top, to OFF.
>>> 
>>> 5.
>>> Set the Complete Thread option to OFF.
>>> 
>>> 6.
>>> Close the Mail Settings screen.
>>> 
>>> 7.
>>> Open the mail app and place focus on a topic that contains two or more 
>>> messages in a thread.  Do not single-finger, double-tap on the thread as 
>>> this will actually open the thread which, in the method I am describing, is 
>>> not necessary.
>>> 
>>> 8.
>>> The VoiceOver rotor should already be set to Actions but just in case it is 
>>> not, set it to Actions.
>>> 
>>> 9.
>>> Use a single-finger swipe up or down gesture until you land on the option 
>>> to Expand the thread.  Select this option.
>>> 
>>> 10.
>>> Now, single-finger swipe from left-to-right in order to move VoiceOver 
>>> focus down to each individual message in the thread.  As VoiceOver lands on 
>>> each message, the contents of each message will automatically be read to 
>>> you.
>>> 
>>> Good Luck,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jessica Moss
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 6:13 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Mail Threading is working again and I love my Earpods.
>>> 
>>> Ok, I thought you were talking about the IOS mail app, my mistake.  I can 
>>> do fine with the mac mail client, but IOS is a pain in the neck to 
>>> navigate, unless someone knows a trick to it I don't yet.
 On Apr 2, 2017, at 6:24 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 Make sure you are not in the classic view.
 
 Then if you have more than two messages in a conversation, right arrow and 
 the thread will be expanded.  Voice over will read automatically if you 
 highlight each message but you must not open it.
 
 This will not work if you only have one message so you need to press enter 
 on that message to read it as at times `i have found that voice over will 
 not always read the entire message.
> On 2 Apr 2017, at 00:25, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> How exactly do you navigate mail threading?  I can manage to find the 
> first 2 messages after I press the next message 

Re: Mail Threading is working again and I love my Earpods.

[Robert Hill]

HI Mark and all,

What I do is when I come to a message thread, I flick up until I hear “expand 
Thread” and double tap on that.
Next when I hear how many messages are in the thread, I flick right that many 
times so I find the first message which is then read to me.
Then I flick left to proceed to the rest of the messages in the thread.

John, you mentioned the sort order of the messages might play a part in this 
issue.
I don’t know how to change the sort order in iOS.
Could you let me know how to change this if this is possible?

Thanks for clarification.

Bob Hill.


> On Apr 3, 2017, at 10:03 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> 
> You are absolutely correct in your observation.  The sorting setting only 
> works when the second method of viewing threaded messages, not described in 
> this conversation, is used.  
> 
> I was told by Apple engineers, when I first brought this to their attention a 
> couple of months ago, that this is not, in fact, a bug but, rather, done on 
> purpose so that both iOS and Mac OS mail would be, effectively the same.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hill
> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 1:56 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mail Threading is working again and I love my Earpods.
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> I have one problem with reading threaded messages this way. 
> 
> It seems that no matter which way I have the settings for displaying newest 
> message on top, I always have the newest one on top. It seems like this 
> setting doesn't take for me. 
> 
> Bob Hill 
> 
> 
> Sent from Bob's iPhone  7 
> 
>> On Apr 3, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Lovely Mark.
>> 
>> I will do as you describe as I was doing the other method which I do not 
>> like, for my I phone.
>> 
>> Thank you again.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 3 Apr 2017, at 08:15, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Jessica,
>>> 
>>> There are two ways to conveniently read messages, in threaded view, in the 
>>> latest version of iOS.
>>> 
>>> I will briefly describe only one of them in this post.
>>> 
>>> 1.
>>> In Settings, Select Mail.
>>> 
>>> 2.
>>> Set Preview to OFF.
>>> 
>>> 3.
>>> Set "Organize by Thread" to ON.
>>> 
>>> 4.
>>> Set Most Recent Message on Top, to OFF.
>>> 
>>> 5.
>>> Set the Complete Thread option to OFF.
>>> 
>>> 6.
>>> Close the Mail Settings screen.
>>> 
>>> 7.
>>> Open the mail app and place focus on a topic that contains two or more 
>>> messages in a thread.  Do not single-finger, double-tap on the thread as 
>>> this will actually open the thread which, in the method I am describing, is 
>>> not necessary.
>>> 
>>> 8.
>>> The VoiceOver rotor should already be set to Actions but just in case it is 
>>> not, set it to Actions.
>>> 
>>> 9.
>>> Use a single-finger swipe up or down gesture until you land on the option 
>>> to Expand the thread.  Select this option.
>>> 
>>> 10.
>>> Now, single-finger swipe from left-to-right in order to move VoiceOver 
>>> focus down to each individual message in the thread.  As VoiceOver lands on 
>>> each message, the contents of each message will automatically be read to 
>>> you.
>>> 
>>> Good Luck,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jessica Moss
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 6:13 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Mail Threading is working again and I love my Earpods.
>>> 
>>> Ok, I thought you were talking about the IOS mail app, my mistake.  I can 
>>> do fine with the mac mail client, but IOS is a pain in the neck to 
>>> navigate, unless someone knows a trick to it I don’t yet.
 On Apr 2, 2017, at 6:24 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 Make sure you are not in the classic view.
 
 Then if you have more than two messages in a conversation, right arrow and 
 the thread will be expanded.  Voice over will read automatically if you 
 highlight each message but you must not open it.
 
 This will not work if you only have one message so you need to press enter 
 on that message to read it as at times `i have found that voice over will 
 not always read the entire message.
> On 2 Apr 2017, at 00:25, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> How exactly do you navigate mail threading?  I can manage to find the 
> first 2 messages after I press the next message button, but forget it 
> after that if there are more than 2 messages in a thread; it only shows 
> the first 2 messages, and that’s usually it.
>> On Apr 1, 2017, at 5:37 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Mail Threading is working again and I love my Ear Pods.  I got them 
>> today.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
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RE: Bootcamp or buy a PC?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi,

 As a user of bootcamp I would say go with that,

 If you've got a 750gig hard drive then you've got a heap of space and it's on 
only the windows installation you will have trouble with,

 If anything use windows 10 I find it more stable and quicker than windows 7,

 You would then need Jaws 17 or 18 to work with it,
 The bootcamp setup is very easy with vo and all you need is a dvd or ISO of 
windows to install from.

Good luck and hope this helps,

 Surely someone around work could give you a hand for 30 minutes.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Eric Brinkman
Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2017 10:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Bootcamp or buy a PC?

Hello all,

I have a MacBook Pro with a 750 gig solid state drive, 16 gigs of ram, a 2.7 
GHZ Intel Core I7, and an Intel HD 4000 graphics card.  I have been using it 
since late 2012 with Windows 7 as a virtual machine, but am becoming 
increasingly unhappy with the performance.  VoiceOver has numerous bugs, even 
with Apple native applications like iTunes.  Some websites are extremely 
sluggish in Safari with VO.  I still can't use Spotify with VO although I can 
use it with Jaws.  The virtual machine has its own set of problems.  I am 
unable to open certain powerpoint presentations, for instance.  I sometimes get 
errors when trying to install applications.  Since I use Windows at work, I am 
thinking about purchasing a Windows laptop.  However my MBP is still a powerful 
machine from a specs standpoint, so I hate to abandon it.  Should I consider 
trying Bootcamp?  My main problem with that is that I cannot set it up without 
sighted assistance, and I live alone.  Should I upgrade from Windows 7 to 
Windows 10?  Should I try NVDA instead of Jaws?  Any suggestions from people 
who have used Bootcamp or NVDA would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Eric

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RE: VNC on mac OSX

[Simon Fogarty]

Ah, now may be that’s why it worked as I think now we were going through a mac 
server.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2017 6:58 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VNC on mac OSX

Just as an FYI for the folks out there, JAWS tandem service uses a modified 
version of VNC. I believe it creates a second tcp connection from remote to 
client that provides a SAPI based protocol. Certainly SIRI has a protocol to 
support remote speech, though this is hardcoded between Apple servers and the 
computer not between two random devices.

Also to add to this, AppleScript provides remote action abilities, so you could 
do:
tell mark@Marks Computer application VoiceOver to speak "Mark,  you are the 
best".

Note this is not syntactically correct, and remote AppleTalk requires a user 
name and password.
Since folks have been able to create language packs that work with VoiceOver, I 
imagine one could do an equivalent interface that just bundles the speech API 
and then pushes it to a remote computer to speak.
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 3:56 AM Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:
H good points but I know while sitting a training course on el cap I had to 
setup and use a remote desktop connection to another mac running again el cap  
worked great to the point I had vo running over the connection,
I just can't remember which RDP service I used, I could have swarn it was VNC.


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From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, 30 March 2017 2:18 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VNC on mac OSX

No, but I can't imagine it's any better than VNC on any other Unix/Linux 
platform. Why would it be? This is an app that transfers picsels, not objects 
and object data.

Best,

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hi Listers,
>
> I'm just wondering if anyone has played with VNC on a mac computer?
>
> I've got a mac book air and a mac mini,
>
> The air is running sierra and the mini is  a late 2012 quad core
> machine spec'd out to the max for work,
>
> Its running Yosemite currently and I'mtrying to setup remote access /
> desktop to the mini which I've got working however I can't get vo to speak 
> through the connection, Yet playing around with el capitan a couple of months 
> ago I managed to have vo working through the remote connection and can't 
> figure out how I did it.
>
> Can anyone else advise on this and if they have had it work for them?
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Simon f
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RE: the new iPad 9.7"

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah it’s a new entry level device,
Lighter and cheaper  other than that I would go with the mini 4 again,

Or even better an iPad Pro Mini
 Now that I’d really go for,

Only thing is that I found it bloody difficult tryng to write with a pen / 
pencil again, when using the 12 inch Pro iPad.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2017 3:48 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: the new iPad 9.7"

Hi. The screen is a bit of a downgrade as it’s the same quality as the one on 
the iPad Air. I wouldn’t purchase this model as it is fragile and far from 
being solid. The Pro line is a better option or stick to the Air 2.
On 29 Mar 2017, at 08:23, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Hi Alex,

Yeah those are the only things I could really see.

Processor as the a9 is still behind the iPhone 7x processor but think the a10 
is in  the pro iPads,

Better screen slightly lighter and I wasn’t sure for a start but is the price 
really down slightly?

Here in nz the 5 128 GB models are: 699 for wifi,
919 for wifi / cellular
 Still bloody costly,

I’m happy currently with my mini 4
Would bein heaven if I could rdp in t o my windows machines and macs for that 
matter with speech access.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Wednesday, 29 March 2017 1:00 AM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>
Subject: Re: the new iPad 9.7"

The reasons I can see are:

* They were able to rename it to the iPad, thus simplifying the iPad lineup

* They upped the CPU, from the A8X of the Air 2 to the A9.

* They made some changes to the screen and body, letting them lower the price 
to offer a more compelling entry-level tablet


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> wrote:

Hi Folks,

Guessing others have heard this,

Cant’ really see why apple have bothered,
The new iPad 5  9.7”
Hasn’t really changed much since the air2.



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RE: Monitoring Heart Rate in Real Time

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi ET,

 That's the app I use for cycling,
 Yeah would like to know how you get on,

 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2017 3:16 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Monitoring Heart Rate in Real Time

I think Wahoo Fitness is the one I will focus on and contact its developers 
and make some noise. I tried doing that with Polar Beat some time back and see 
its pointless.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
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   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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On 4/3/2017 1:29 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> Hi ET,
>
>  I have the H7 Also and a wahoo HR HRM pretty much the same as the H7,
>
>  I can't get much more than a delayed read out form the apps I've 
> tried,
>
> It's not the HRM devices, they're some of the best you ca get without going 
> to the big cost research devices.
>
>  I haven't been able to find an app that gives real time HR read outs.
>
> I now use one that is from Wahoo called Wahoo Fitness, allows me to 
> keep track of my cycling workout Good luck.
>
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: Monday, 3 April 2017 8:18 AM
> To: MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Monitoring Heart Rate in Real Time
>
> Its been a while since I checked into this and since related apps have 
> been updated, I want to ask about it. Is it possible to get this data in real 
> time while working out? I have the Polar H7 HRM.
>
> I tried testing with the Polar Beat, Wahoo Fitness and Apple's Health 
> apps. The first two I can only refresh by tapping the data.
>
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RE: Monitoring Heart Rate in Real Time

[Simon Fogarty]

ET,

 Even the apple watch doesn't give real time HR readings,

The best HRM devices giving real time readings are the Polar devices where you 
have the heart rate monitor strap like your H7  and a wrist watch device which 
constantly reads the HR reading out,
 Problem is that these devices unless things have changed majorly in the passed 
couple of years, hey wont talk for you.


 


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2017 2:18 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Monitoring Heart Rate in Real Time

Only way I can think of doing this is with a non apple phone or with the Apple 
Watch.  I may not be the most up to date on this though.

> On Apr 2, 2017, at 9:19 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Not much help as I do not have an Apple Watch.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off  
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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> 
> On 4/2/2017 5:37 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
>> I use the workout app on my Apple Watch.
>> Chris
>>> On Apr 2, 2017, at 4:18 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Its been a while since I checked into this and since related apps have 
>>> been updated, I want to ask about it. Is it possible to get this data in 
>>> real time while working out? I have the Polar H7 HRM.
>>> 
>>>  I tried testing with the Polar Beat, Wahoo Fitness and Apple's Health 
>>> apps. The first two I can only refresh by tapping the data.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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RE: free or paid vpn that works with Voiceover on Mac and iOS?

[Simon Fogarty]

Oh and thanks,

 Gives me a place to start looking.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2017 2:15 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: free or paid vpn that works with Voiceover on Mac and iOS?

Hi Simon, for a highly skilled unix administrator like your self, you could do 
it in your sleep. As a newly and someone who wants to break in to unix 
administration like some on the list may be, a very easy but worth while 
project.

I could write something up for instructions but basically.  You use yum or 
apt-get install open vpn and the rsa kit for generating certs, you issue a 
certificate authority, use that to issue certs for your machine, write a small 
configuration file for the server and one per client and then just push the 
config and certs / keys to each client and load them in to the client software. 
 Most of this is automatic.  Very simple and very powerful.  You can use 4096 
bit keys or stronger and sha512 hashes.  That will even give Uncle Sam and the 
tappers a run for their money.

I think you could do this on a raspberry pie 3 no problem the only issue is you 
only have 1 ethernet so you’ll need to use the WiFi as an access point and or 
join the network with the WiFi and use the ethernet as the inside.  You could 
also install an ethernet USB dongle to add another wired port.

Also remember, nether routers include open vpn in their higher end gear already 
set up.

> On Apr 3, 2017, at 4:23 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> How complicated is open VPN to setup?
> 
> And yeah could it be setup on a raspberry pi 3?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
> Sent: Monday, 3 April 2017 4:56 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: free or paid vpn that works with Voiceover on Mac and iOS?
> 
> Hi!
> Does a server means that you can have a raspberry pi to act as a vpn server 
> to?
> This could be something to dig into.
> /A
>> 2 apr. 2017 kl. 18:23 skrev Scott Granados :
>> 
>> My suggestion is to use Open VPN on a server. While you have the ongoing 
>> server cost as little as $5 per month, you do have a lot more flexibility.  
>> You can attach your phone, tablets, or Mac with totally free clients 
>> (windows as well) that are totally accessible.  Y ou also have the advantage 
>> of not necessarily being in a VPN database so you’re not blocked from 
>> Netflix for example.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 1, 2017, at 11:30 PM, Cameron Strife  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everybody. I'm looking for a vpn that is reliable and works with 
>>> voiceover on OSX, iOS, and any screen reader on windows, although 
>>> that last point is no big deal either way. Free or a one time 
>>> license fee would be preferred.
>>> 
>>> I've found that express vpn works very well with voiceover but I 
>>> don't want to pay fourteen dollars a month forever to use it.
>>> 
>>> I bought a lifetime subscription to shymo vpn and while the specs 
>>> are good, it's not working on the older mac that I use for various 
>>> internet activities.
>>> 
>>> Anyways, I tried hide me vpn for mac that didn't even want to launch 
>>> for some reason, and, I recently tried cyberghost on mac and windows 
>>> and had no joy on either operating system...
>>> 
>>> I see that tiger vpn for mac, iOS, and windows is on sale for $29 
>>> for the next two days. I don't see anything about accessibility on 
>>> any platform anywhere though and don't want to waste more money on a 
>>> vpn I won't be able to use.
>>> 
>>> This price only lasts for the next two days though so I need to make 
>>> up my mind pretty quickly.
>>> 
>>> Has anybody used Tiger vpn and if so, what are your thoughts? Also, 
>>> any other recommendations would be greatly appreciated!
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Cameron.
>>> 
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RE: free or paid vpn that works with Voiceover on Mac and iOS?

[Simon Fogarty]

Scott, 

What drugs you taking dude?

 Linux ain't my bucket of chicken,

Windows is a differnet kettle of fish,
I can find my way around linux / unix but still not what I call fun.

Is there a windows version of Open VPN ?


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2017 2:15 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: free or paid vpn that works with Voiceover on Mac and iOS?

Hi Simon, for a highly skilled unix administrator like your self, you could do 
it in your sleep. As a newly and someone who wants to break in to unix 
administration like some on the list may be, a very easy but worth while 
project.

I could write something up for instructions but basically.  You use yum or 
apt-get install open vpn and the rsa kit for generating certs, you issue a 
certificate authority, use that to issue certs for your machine, write a small 
configuration file for the server and one per client and then just push the 
config and certs / keys to each client and load them in to the client software. 
 Most of this is automatic.  Very simple and very powerful.  You can use 4096 
bit keys or stronger and sha512 hashes.  That will even give Uncle Sam and the 
tappers a run for their money.

I think you could do this on a raspberry pie 3 no problem the only issue is you 
only have 1 ethernet so you’ll need to use the WiFi as an access point and or 
join the network with the WiFi and use the ethernet as the inside.  You could 
also install an ethernet USB dongle to add another wired port.

Also remember, nether routers include open vpn in their higher end gear already 
set up.

> On Apr 3, 2017, at 4:23 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> How complicated is open VPN to setup?
> 
> And yeah could it be setup on a raspberry pi 3?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
> Sent: Monday, 3 April 2017 4:56 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: free or paid vpn that works with Voiceover on Mac and iOS?
> 
> Hi!
> Does a server means that you can have a raspberry pi to act as a vpn server 
> to?
> This could be something to dig into.
> /A
>> 2 apr. 2017 kl. 18:23 skrev Scott Granados :
>> 
>> My suggestion is to use Open VPN on a server. While you have the ongoing 
>> server cost as little as $5 per month, you do have a lot more flexibility.  
>> You can attach your phone, tablets, or Mac with totally free clients 
>> (windows as well) that are totally accessible.  Y ou also have the advantage 
>> of not necessarily being in a VPN database so you’re not blocked from 
>> Netflix for example.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 1, 2017, at 11:30 PM, Cameron Strife  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everybody. I'm looking for a vpn that is reliable and works with 
>>> voiceover on OSX, iOS, and any screen reader on windows, although 
>>> that last point is no big deal either way. Free or a one time 
>>> license fee would be preferred.
>>> 
>>> I've found that express vpn works very well with voiceover but I 
>>> don't want to pay fourteen dollars a month forever to use it.
>>> 
>>> I bought a lifetime subscription to shymo vpn and while the specs 
>>> are good, it's not working on the older mac that I use for various 
>>> internet activities.
>>> 
>>> Anyways, I tried hide me vpn for mac that didn't even want to launch 
>>> for some reason, and, I recently tried cyberghost on mac and windows 
>>> and had no joy on either operating system...
>>> 
>>> I see that tiger vpn for mac, iOS, and windows is on sale for $29 
>>> for the next two days. I don't see anything about accessibility on 
>>> any platform anywhere though and don't want to waste more money on a 
>>> vpn I won't be able to use.
>>> 
>>> This price only lasts for the next two days though so I need to make 
>>> up my mind pretty quickly.
>>> 
>>> Has anybody used Tiger vpn and if so, what are your thoughts? Also, 
>>> any other recommendations would be greatly appreciated!
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Cameron.
>>> 
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