Re: And here's an example of why Apple is losing the digital assistant game

[David Chittenden]

Amazon's speech recognition assistant. Works well in the US and some places in 
Europe.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

> On 23/04/2017, at 10:44, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Sorry but what is this Alexa?
> 
> 
> 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk
> Sent: Sunday, 23 April 2017 6:33 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And here's an example of why Apple is losing the digital 
> assistant game
> 
> Hi Scott. While I'm a loyal Apple customer, I completely agree with you about 
> Siri. Siri is one of the reasons I bought my Amazon Echo Dot. Alexa is just a 
> better assistant than Siri is. I mean, with the Dot, Alexa gets better and 
> better every day with the number of skills that get added each day. With 
> Siri, you have to wait until Apple updates her with every iOS major release. 
> This was acceptible in 2011, but when Amazon and Google are beating you in 
> the AI department in 2017, maybe its time that Apple take notice. I'll still 
> buy Apple products and use Siri to make calls, text people, and find out what 
> song I'm listening to on the radio, but that's all she's good for.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
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> P.S. Scott, that was a good article about the Google Home. It's just too bad 
> that I can't talk to the Google Assistant on my phone or my computer like I 
> can with Alexa using Reverb. I know that you can talk to her with Google 
> Allo, but with that app she doesn't speak her answers back to you. For that, 
> Alexa still wins. Also, you can talk to her in the Google Search app, but 
> that functionality only works for searches. I just wanna have fun with it, 
> not search for things.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 22, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> So, Apple brought us Siri and we had hi hopes but they’ve let it fall flat 
>> on it’s face and are being schooled by Amazon and especially google.  Let’s 
>> look at the announcements recently from the 3 companies.  Alexa continues to 
>> make strides with additional integration across multiple platforms and 
>> expanded languages and ability to parse complex sentences,  Google takes 
>> things even farther allowing their units to distinguish between users by 
>> their voices, provides tight integration with hundreds of data sources and 
>> literally adds features on a biweekly basis, and Apple, what’s Apple 
>> announcing.  Siri now can read your what’s app messages.  (Big freaking 
>> whoop Apple).  Google announces multiple voice recognition and the addition 
>> of real neural net technology and Apple can now read text messages from a 
>> 3rd party app.  They have to do better.  The iPhone is such a good phone in 
>> every way but then you’re stuck with Siri.  You are letting us down Apple, 
>> you’re not innovating any more and you’re going to see folks like my self 
>> for example jump off the Apple band wagon and squarely on to the Google 
>> Pixel band wagon if you don’t get your act together.  Here’s a link to the 
>> big announcement AKA Apple’s continued stagnation.
>> 
>> http://www.redmondpie.com/siri-on-ios-10.3-can-now-read-out-new-whatsapp-messages-for-you/
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Re: Looking for a good SIP client for the iPhone that is accessible

[michael babcock]

I’ll second this, Bria is well worth the investment.
> On Apr 22, 2017, at 8:22 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Bria soft phone is the one I use.  Completely accessible, well maintained and 
> I haven’t found any accessibility problems.
> 
>> On Apr 22, 2017, at 8:47 AM, Michael Busboom  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey everybody,
>> 
>> Well, the subject line pretty much says what I am looking for.  I have 
>> several contacts who have been encouraging me to use their Sip address to 
>> reach them.  Since I have never done this, I don’t know which client works 
>> best and if I need to sign up for a Sip service.  I sometimes use VoipBuster 
>> to make international calls, and they do have Sip capabilities, or so it 
>> seems.
>> 
>> Thanks for any advice you can give.
>> 
>> Mike
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Re: wordpress VoiceOver content management solutions

[Jonathan Cohn]

Well, 

I guess you got an answer from Michael. I have heard of other blind people 
maintaining word press, and my brother maintains a word press blog about 
Architecture in Spain. I
I watched with interest on the AIM list about accessible WordPress templates, 
and general work to make word press more accessible, but I am not directly 
involved in it at all.
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Apr 21, 2017, at 1:49 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan,
> Thanks,
> Do you know of any "pod casts" or tutorials out there regarding Maintaining " 
> wordpress sites with VoiceOver?
> 
> I haven't hired that james d as a consultant yet.
> I'm a recording studio that also offers music lessons & gig in the local 
> South Florida area.
> I wanted to do a new site before expanding the music lessons to the net.
> Thanks again
> Chuck
> 
> 
> On Apr 20, 2017, at 10:54 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
> 
>> Chuck,
>> 
>> I think you need to decide on your goals. Nothing about CMS needs to be 
>> associated with facebook unless you want it to. Generally, I think of CMS as 
>> being a master electronic management system it is essential for large 
>> organizations  since they will have multiple people adding to the web site, 
>> and need to force controls like standard look accessibility and peer review. 
>> 
>> If you will be the maintaining of most of the imformation, then I suggest 
>> you start simple and expand as necessary. It is better to have a good 
>> structure of a small amount of information then a web site that was designed 
>> for 10,000 pages but only has three with relevant information. 
>> 
>> As an owner of copyrighted material that you might be distributing, having a 
>> good store front to find and purchase securely that copyrighted material 
>> might be essential for you. Certainly listen to your consultant, but your 
>> consultant will want to have you paying a regular fee for his services, this 
>> is great if you need regular updates in style and function, but if you are 
>> putting out a electronic business card with maybe a monthly update on 
>> services, then  make sure you aren't spending too much on the consultant. 
>> WordPress has themes out of the box that are accessible, and I believe they 
>> have some kind of badge to indicate what is accessible. 
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 10:55 AM, CHUCK REICHEL 
>>> mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi List,
>>> What is being used to do content management that  is VoiceOver friendly.
>>> I'm looking for a solution "APP" that I can do content management with.
>>> I'm in discussions with a guy  who said he can build me a new Sound Picture 
>>> Recording site and can put the VoiceOver "tags" in it for accessibility.
>>> 
>>> I don't use Face book enough to do content management  through it at this 
>>> point.
>>> Also is it true that  wordpress offerers a "html template"
>>> Thanks for some direction on building & content management of a new site.
>>> Ps whats the most cost effective "hosting" &site building solutions out 
>>> there?
>>> Thanks
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> CHUCK REICHEL
>>> soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com 
>>> www.SoundPictureRecording.com 
>>> 954-742-0019
>>> GUFFAWING :)
>>> In GOD I Trust
>>> 
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iTunes next song AppleScript via UI Scripting.

[Jonathan Cohn]

I have a preliminary version of this script working using the Accessibility 
API. What this means is that an administrator needs to authorize either the 
script editor application or an application created from the script in order 
for this script to run.

Right now I have it use VoiceOver to speak the name of the next song. There is 
also a string that returns the Artist and Album.

To the person that was requesting this, what was the final requirement? Do you 
want the information in a dialog box? Should it run just once, or be checking 
on regular intervals to see if the up next has changed?

Perhaps you want me to attempt to insert the information into a Numbers sheet.

Text of script so far is below: note, I believe at least one of the handlers is 
not being used.
note 2 I put the UI Elements being accessed as properties at the top of the 
script. 

use application "System Events"
use scripting additions

property miniPlayerWindow : a reference to window "miniplayer" of application 
process "iTunes"
property ToggleButton : a reference to pop up button 2 of miniPlayerWindow
property UpNextRadioButton : a reference to radio button "Up Next" of radio 
group 1 of miniPlayerWindow
property ScrollRegion : a reference to scroll area 1 of miniPlayerWindow
property NextSongItem : a reference to static text 1 of UI element 1 of row 1 
of table 1 of ScrollRegion
property NextAlbumItem : a reference to static text 2 of UI element 1 of row 1 
of table 1 of ScrollRegion

on run
-- find the mini player or create it
ActivateMiniPlayer()
if description of ToggleButton is not equal to "hide up next" then
error "Who are we kidding, this should be the button. Perhaps 
iTunes changed the arrangement"
end if

if value of UpNextRadioButton = 0 then -- Up next needs to be selected 
click UpNextRadioButton
end if

-- make sure information is visible 
set ScrollSize to size of ScrollRegion
if second item of ScrollSize is equal to 0 then -- hight = 0 
click ToggleButton
end if

set Song to value of NextSongItem
set ALbum to value of NextAlbumItem
VoiceOverSpeech(Song)
return Song & ALbum
end run

on VoiceOverSpeech(myText)
tell application "VoiceOver" to output myText

end VoiceOverSpeech
on ActivateMiniPlayer()
set iTunesRunning to my ActivateIfRunning:"iTunes"
if not iTunesRunning then
error "You must be running iTunes for this script to work."
end if
tell application "iTunes"
if (not (exists miniplayer window 1)) then
make new miniplayer window
end if
end tell
return {}
return window "MiniPlayer" of application process "iTunes"
end ActivateMiniPlayer


on appWithName(appName as {text, application})
set c to class of appName
if c is equal to application then
return appName
else if c is equal to text then
return application appName
end if
end appWithName


on ActivateIfRunning:appName
try
set frontmost of application process appName to true
set Success to true
on error
set Success to false
end try
return Success
end ActivateIfRunning:

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



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RE: And here's an example of why Apple is losing the digital assistant game

[Simon Fogarty]

Sorry but what is this Alexa?



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk
Sent: Sunday, 23 April 2017 6:33 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And here's an example of why Apple is losing the digital assistant 
game

Hi Scott. While I'm a loyal Apple customer, I completely agree with you about 
Siri. Siri is one of the reasons I bought my Amazon Echo Dot. Alexa is just a 
better assistant than Siri is. I mean, with the Dot, Alexa gets better and 
better every day with the number of skills that get added each day. With Siri, 
you have to wait until Apple updates her with every iOS major release. This was 
acceptible in 2011, but when Amazon and Google are beating you in the AI 
department in 2017, maybe its time that Apple take notice. I'll still buy Apple 
products and use Siri to make calls, text people, and find out what song I'm 
listening to on the radio, but that's all she's good for.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
P.S. Scott, that was a good article about the Google Home. It's just too bad 
that I can't talk to the Google Assistant on my phone or my computer like I can 
with Alexa using Reverb. I know that you can talk to her with Google Allo, but 
with that app she doesn't speak her answers back to you. For that, Alexa still 
wins. Also, you can talk to her in the Google Search app, but that 
functionality only works for searches. I just wanna have fun with it, not 
search for things.


> On Apr 22, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> So, Apple brought us Siri and we had hi hopes but they’ve let it fall flat on 
> it’s face and are being schooled by Amazon and especially google.  Let’s look 
> at the announcements recently from the 3 companies.  Alexa continues to make 
> strides with additional integration across multiple platforms and expanded 
> languages and ability to parse complex sentences,  Google takes things even 
> farther allowing their units to distinguish between users by their voices, 
> provides tight integration with hundreds of data sources and literally adds 
> features on a biweekly basis, and Apple, what’s Apple announcing.  Siri now 
> can read your what’s app messages.  (Big freaking whoop Apple).  Google 
> announces multiple voice recognition and the addition of real neural net 
> technology and Apple can now read text messages from a 3rd party app.  They 
> have to do better.  The iPhone is such a good phone in every way but then 
> you’re stuck with Siri.  You are letting us down Apple, you’re not innovating 
> any more and you’re going to see folks like my self for example jump off the 
> Apple band wagon and squarely on to the Google Pixel band wagon if you don’t 
> get your act together.  Here’s a link to the big announcement AKA Apple’s 
> continued stagnation.
> 
> http://www.redmondpie.com/siri-on-ios-10.3-can-now-read-out-new-whatsapp-messages-for-you/
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RE: And here's an example of why Apple is losing the digital assistant game

[Simon Fogarty]

I kind of agree

They appear to have lost all innovation,

There is no resembalence of looking forward to the next big feature

If anything they seem to be copying what other do rather than finding the next 
thing themselves.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Sunday, 23 April 2017 2:48 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
Subject: Re: And here's an example of why Apple is losing the digital assistant 
game

Ray, if Tim Cook were a decent CEO Apple wouldn’t be in this problem.  Here’s a 
guy who has totally rested on Steve Job’s laurels.  Let’s think about it, 
exactly how much has the iPhone changed since Job’s death.  Siri has completely 
stagnated, the shape is basically unchanged, the video processor hasn’t been 
changed in several versions, the Modems are now and have been consistently 
behind the times, and the big change is to add the Fingerprint censor to the 
rest of the product line?  Really?  Dropping the phone jack is the only brassy 
thing that Apple has done since 2012.
Siri bothers me the most though because Apple was first and had a 
great idea that they squandered in my opinion.  I will give them credit on 
developing the A10 processor which is a good thing (and the previous apple 
series processors) but let’s face it, that part of the operation is actually 
farmed out to another company.  They need to breathe new life in to the design 
team and stop doing stupid things like buying karaoke car pool, Lyft and stop 
buying stolen headphone designs from Dr Dre who ripped them off from Monster 
cable’s designer.
I’m not sure I’ll bother writing Tim Cook but I may go to the next 
stock holders meeting.  The iMac is at least a chance to redeem themselves and 
it looks like they may, here’s hoping but it’s not that hard to design good 
laptops and PCs.  They really just need to get it in gear.



On Apr 22, 2017, at 8:30 AM, Ray Foret jr 
mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Well, Scot, it’s all well and good for you to say that on here:  but, don’t you 
think your message might carry more weight if you wrote Cook himself?

tc...@apple.com


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

On Apr 22, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Scott Granados 
mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:

So, Apple brought us Siri and we had hi hopes but they’ve let it fall flat on 
it’s face and are being schooled by Amazon and especially google.  Let’s look 
at the announcements recently from the 3 companies.  Alexa continues to make 
strides with additional integration across multiple platforms and expanded 
languages and ability to parse complex sentences,  Google takes things even 
farther allowing their units to distinguish between users by their voices, 
provides tight integration with hundreds of data sources and literally adds 
features on a biweekly basis, and Apple, what’s Apple announcing.  Siri now can 
read your what’s app messages.  (Big freaking whoop Apple).  Google announces 
multiple voice recognition and the addition of real neural net technology and 
Apple can now read text messages from a 3rd party app.  They have to do better. 
 The iPhone is such a good phone in every way but then you’re stuck with Siri.  
You are letting us down Apple, you’re not innovating any more and you’re going 
to see folks like my self for example jump off the Apple band wagon and 
squarely on to the Google Pixel band wagon if you don’t get your act together.  
Here’s a link to the big announcement AKA Apple’s continued stagnation.

http://www.redmondpie.com/siri-on-ios-10.3-can-now-read-out-new-whatsapp-messages-for-you/

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RE: Sitrix access

[Simon Fogarty]

The desktop must be bloody under powered if they can’t support jaws,

Sounds like they are a form of dumb terminal.
Mind you if they use citrix like we do then I can see why

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Friday, 21 April 2017 9:38 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sitrix access

I was really hoping the iPad would work. That said, I am glad they are giving 
me the local access laptop. The desktop computers are rather underpowered. They 
merely connect to the company's intranet through the internet, using secure 
servers. They are very slow to load the worker's desktop when one logs in. They 
have very little internal memory or storage, which is why the laptop is 
provided (the office desktop cannot support Jaws.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

On 20/04/2017, at 17:58, Scott Granados 
mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
That’s such a bogus reason not to install JFW.  Especially when you can deploy 
it so it only runs for the specific users required.  All that is I think is an 
IT department to lazy to do their jobs.  People bitch about jaws or voice over 
and security in the mean time demanding that their favorite messenger or media 
player is installed that really does have security concerns.  (I’m sorry we 
can’t install JFW for you oh and get ready we’re pushing out a new Java virtual 
machine). Right!

Not a bad work around though.  The only problem is having to run windows, that 
would be a deal breaker for me.



On Apr 20, 2017, at 3:01 AM, David Chittenden 
mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks all.

It turns out, the company has two other blind employees. They will not place 
JFW on the Citrix do to security concerns. However, the fix is to provide the 
blind employee with a laptop which is configured for local access. I then carry 
the laptop with me for work. Now, back to Windows 7 after 6 years of Mac and 
iOS.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

On 20/04/2017, at 04:30, Jonathan Cohn 
mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Also, unless you are running JAWS on both the remote and local machine, you can 
expect that speech output will be choppy as the voice communications get merged 
with  all the window activity. When JAWS or WindowEyes is run on both system 
and the licensing is correctly recognized, then the remote system will just 
send the text to be read or braille to your local machine and not the complete 
sound f of the synthesized speech.

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:35 AM Scott Granados 
mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The only way I know of doing this is with JFW.

Virtual desktops are a tricky thing.

> On Apr 19, 2017, at 4:40 AM, David Chittenden 
> mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I started a new job. The company requires Citrix to access the information 
> drives.
>
> To be specific, the computers are set to automatically connect into a secure 
> website. This site then displays username and password fields for log in. The 
> system then uses Citrix Receiver to access the user's virtual desktop.
>
> I installed Citrix Receiver onto an iPhone and an iPad. Once the system 
> accesses through Citrix, the interface becomes inaccessible. I then installed 
> Citrix Receiver onto my 2011 MacBook Air. Again, Citrix Receiver worked, and 
> again, the resulting screen is not accessible.
>
> Does anyone know of an app for iOS or Mac which will give VoiceOver access to 
> the Citrix Receiver web remote interface desktop?
>
> Kind regards,
>
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Re: Word 2016 accessibility?

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

It helps.  The reason being that when it is on, Word has a tendency to jump 
back to the top of the document in certain situations.  I’ve seen it happen 
when moving from page to page, switching back to Word from another application, 
and sometimes when performing other tasks within Word.  With cursor tracking 
off, this doesn’t happen, and you are able to navigate the ribbon and choose 
formatting options while also moving the physical cursor through your document. 
 It’s actually something I find cleaner than Pages, though part of that may be 
that I’m not that familiar with Pages.  To get around the problem where the VO 
cursor may not bee where you need it to be for context menus or spelling 
corrections, use the VO-shift-F4 key sequence to bring the VO cursor to the 
keyboard focus.  (I don’t know but the FN key may be involved too on a laptop.) 
You will want to turn cursor tracking back on for file dialogs or when 
switching to other apps.  I tried setting up an activity as was suggested, but 
on my machine it seemed to cause problems.  The machine would hang up on waking 
from sleep so badly that the only way to get control back was to force the 
computer to power off.  I thought something else was causing that, but when I 
removed the activity things went back to normal.

I have also found that after some use, Voiceover reading in Word may become 
unpredictable, reading only parts of lines and not necessarily the line you’re 
on.  I’ve only noticed this when working with multilevel outlines.  The only 
fix I have found for this is to save your work and restart Word.

> On Apr 21, 2017, at 7:45 PM, Maurice Mines  wrote:
> 
> So that my mother standing here, you need to turn cursor tracking off in the 
> VoiceOver settings and order for word 2016 to work properly right? I'm 
> running this on a bed 2015 MacBook Pro.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 21, 2017, at 7:37 PM, Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
> 
>> I have used MS Word 2016 for basic document editing with no major issues. 
>> When reading a document that had a lot of tables, word did not work very 
>> well. One suggestion that I have read and agree with is that it works much 
>> better with cursor tracking turned off. This does mean you have to be 
>> careful about some VO commands since they expect the mouse to be hovering 
>> over the VO cursor. (specifically click and contextual menus.)
>> The dialog that comes up when Word first starts is a bit annoying and better 
>> to be turned off in my opinion. This can be done in the settings.
>> 
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 21, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Maurice Mines >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Good evening, I am wondering what's the status of the current version of 
>>> words level of accessibility. Recently re-install office 2016, and I'm 
>>> finding word to be pretty much unusable. Did Microsoft go back on their 
>>> accessibility improvements that were done last year? Any ideas? There's a 
>>> easy, and quick solution? 
>>> 
>>> If there is a solution, and it's just a matter of reconfiguring voiceover, 
>>> and explanation nation of how to do that would be greatly appreciated. 
>>> Please excuse some of the syntax errors because I'm actually dictating this 
>>> to my cell phone. Hope everyone is having an outstanding Friday evening. 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: A Blind legend

[Vaughn Brown]

Look it up. It is a fun game. Thanks for thoser repying.
You are a blind knight in this game.
Vaughn

On 4/17/17, David Chittenden  wrote:
> It is an audio action role-playing game using binaural sound.
>
> Kind regards,
>
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>> On 18/04/2017, at 08:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>
>> What is a blind legend?
>>
>> I know I'm one in my own lunch box but in the case of this post what is a
>> blind legend
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jessica Moss
>> Sent: Monday, 17 April 2017 11:49 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: A Blind legend
>>
>> It’s available in the app store last I checked.  The only thing that
>> stopped me from buying it, was that I don’t have the cash to shell out for
>> it.
>>> On Apr 16, 2017, at 8:23 PM, Vaughn Brown 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello!
>>>
>>> I'm writing to ask if there is a way to download  A Blind Legend for
>>> either PC or Mac? The only place I can find it is on steam.com. The
>>> caption code is what's stopping me from buying it via an account on
>>> steam.com. Any ideas or alternative sources to buy it from?
>>>
>>> Thank you for your help.
>>> Vaughn
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Re: And here's an example of why Apple is losing the digital assistant game

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi Scott. While I'm a loyal Apple customer, I completely agree with you about 
Siri. Siri is one of the reasons I bought my Amazon Echo Dot. Alexa is just a 
better assistant than Siri is. I mean, with the Dot, Alexa gets better and 
better every day with the number of skills that get added each day. With Siri, 
you have to wait until Apple updates her with every iOS major release. This was 
acceptible in 2011, but when Amazon and Google are beating you in the AI 
department in 2017, maybe its time that Apple take notice. I'll still buy Apple 
products and use Siri to make calls, text people, and find out what song I'm 
listening to on the radio, but that's all she's good for.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
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P.S. Scott, that was a good article about the Google Home. It's just too bad 
that I can't talk to the Google Assistant on my phone or my computer like I can 
with Alexa using Reverb. I know that you can talk to her with Google Allo, but 
with that app she doesn't speak her answers back to you. For that, Alexa still 
wins. Also, you can talk to her in the Google Search app, but that 
functionality only works for searches. I just wanna have fun with it, not 
search for things.


> On Apr 22, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> So, Apple brought us Siri and we had hi hopes but they’ve let it fall flat on 
> it’s face and are being schooled by Amazon and especially google.  Let’s look 
> at the announcements recently from the 3 companies.  Alexa continues to make 
> strides with additional integration across multiple platforms and expanded 
> languages and ability to parse complex sentences,  Google takes things even 
> farther allowing their units to distinguish between users by their voices, 
> provides tight integration with hundreds of data sources and literally adds 
> features on a biweekly basis, and Apple, what’s Apple announcing.  Siri now 
> can read your what’s app messages.  (Big freaking whoop Apple).  Google 
> announces multiple voice recognition and the addition of real neural net 
> technology and Apple can now read text messages from a 3rd party app.  They 
> have to do better.  The iPhone is such a good phone in every way but then 
> you’re stuck with Siri.  You are letting us down Apple, you’re not innovating 
> any more and you’re going to see folks like my self for example jump off the 
> Apple band wagon and squarely on to the Google Pixel band wagon if you don’t 
> get your act together.  Here’s a link to the big announcement AKA Apple’s 
> continued stagnation.
> 
> http://www.redmondpie.com/siri-on-ios-10.3-can-now-read-out-new-whatsapp-messages-for-you/
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Re: changing "open with" menu

[jeff `greene]

Hi thanks for all your help! I've got it sorted out now. Not sure how
it got so wierd but anyway I'm all set now.
Thanks Jeff


On 4/22/17, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> Hello Jeff,
>
> To change the default application for opening a particular kind of file,
> select a file of that type and press Cmd-i. Navigate to the Open with
> disclosure triangle and if it’s collapsed, press VO-Space. Just to the right
> is a popup button which allows you to select the appropriate application. To
> the right again you’ll find: "Use this application to open all documents
> like this one” and to the right a Change All button.
> Press Cmd-w to close the window.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
>> On 22 Apr 2017, at 00:37, jeff `greene  wrote:
>>
>> Hi List, I think I've done this before but don't remember how.
>> Suddenly hitting command+o on an .m4v movie opens the app store
>> instead of itunes. In fact if I hit VO+shift+m and choose open with
>> itunes isn't even in the list. So how do I edit this "open with" list
>> in Sierra?
>> Thanks Jeff
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Re: good news about sirius XM

[Mike Arrigo]

Yes, I decided to try logging in just to see if anything had changed, the first 
thing I noticed was that I was able to log in without getting the message that 
flash is required. I refuse to install flash on my systems. When that worked, I 
thought wow, that was interesting, then the menu appeared, so I selected a 
channel and it played, I was quite pleased. The layout of the web interface is 
very similar to the IOS app, the first thing you will want to do is go to 
settings and set your audio quality to the highest level. Yes, another site no 
longer using flash, hopefully eventually flash will be gone completely.
> On Apr 22, 2017, at 9:49 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Mike, thank you for this pointer.  Nice to see flash slowly dying off like it 
> should.  This is very good news and thanks for pointing it out to the group.
> 
>> On Apr 22, 2017, at 10:45 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> They have finally gotten rid of their use of Adobe Flash, listening on the 
>> web site works really well with safari. I'm glad they finally made this 
>> change, it was long overdue. If you have a subscription, give it a try.
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Re: And here's an example of why Apple is losing the digital assistant game

[E.T.]

   (smiles) And let Steve Jobs rest in peace. I know I know, we the end 
user, always know best.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 4/22/2017 7:48 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

A dead frog maybe.  They forgot to hop.


On Apr 22, 2017, at 9:46 AM, E.T.  wrote:

  Sounds like the typical leap frog game.

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On 4/22/2017 3:27 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

So, Apple brought us Siri and we had hi hopes but they’ve let it fall flat on 
it’s face and are being schooled by Amazon and especially google.  Let’s look 
at the announcements recently from the 3 companies.  Alexa continues to make 
strides with additional integration across multiple platforms and expanded 
languages and ability to parse complex sentences,  Google takes things even 
farther allowing their units to distinguish between users by their voices, 
provides tight integration with hundreds of data sources and literally adds 
features on a biweekly basis, and Apple, what’s Apple announcing.  Siri now can 
read your what’s app messages.  (Big freaking whoop Apple).  Google announces 
multiple voice recognition and the addition of real neural net technology and 
Apple can now read text messages from a 3rd party app.  They have to do better. 
 The iPhone is such a good phone in every way but then you’re stuck with Siri.  
You are letting us down Apple, you’re not innovating any more and you’re going 
to see folks like my self for example jump off the Apple band wagon and 
squarely on to the Google Pixel band wagon if you don’t get your act together.  
Here’s a link to the big announcement AKA Apple’s continued stagnation.

http://www.redmondpie.com/siri-on-ios-10.3-can-now-read-out-new-whatsapp-messages-for-you/



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Re: Looking for a good SIP client for the iPhone that is accessible

[Scott Granados]

Bria soft phone is the one I use.  Completely accessible, well maintained and I 
haven’t found any accessibility problems.

> On Apr 22, 2017, at 8:47 AM, Michael Busboom  wrote:
> 
> Hey everybody,
> 
> Well, the subject line pretty much says what I am looking for.  I have 
> several contacts who have been encouraging me to use their Sip address to 
> reach them.  Since I have never done this, I don’t know which client works 
> best and if I need to sign up for a Sip service.  I sometimes use VoipBuster 
> to make international calls, and they do have Sip capabilities, or so it 
> seems.
> 
> Thanks for any advice you can give.
> 
> Mike
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Re: How To Stop Those Annoying, Endless Robocalls To Your Smartphone, USA Today

[Scott Granados]

Funny you mention that.  I remember for the longest time arguing with another 
Architect at COVAD about number planning.  I like the simplicity of our design 
here with the number planning area + exchange and he liked the whole country + 
city deal that to me looks like random numbers.


> On Apr 22, 2017, at 9:00 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> What about legit calls from Europe using cheap prepaid cards, these are we 
> show up as random numbers. Would  I and up blocking those two?
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
>> On Apr 21, 2017, at 8:16 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> I used to post information about my homebased business on facebook, which I 
>> eventually stopped doing, sense my web site has my number attached to it for 
>> people to contact me, and the verry next day I would get calls from random 
>> numbers with no message.
>>> On Apr 18, 2017, at 1:22 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try doing a pattern match on 9 digit US social security numbers or 16 digit 
>>> credit cards.  YOu’d be surprised what’s posted online.;).  I’m building a 
>>> block list that blocks automatically most telemarketers and scammers etc.  
>>> They get through once in a while but you just add them when you find them.  
>>> As they say it’s sort of a whack a mole game.
>>> 
 On Apr 18, 2017, at 1:11 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Ok, that's bloody scarey stuff,
 
 I just googled my mobile number and not only is it on there I was the one 
 that posted it in an email to another list.
 Hells teeth.
 Crazy crazy stff.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
 Sent: Tuesday, 18 April 2017 12:56 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: How To Stop Those Annoying, Endless Robocalls To Your Smartphone, 
 USA Today
 
 Hello All,
 
 I hope you find the following article helpful.
 
 Mark
 
 HOW TO STOP THOSE ANNOYING, ENDLESS ROBOCALLS TO YOUR SMARTPHONE By 
 Jennifer Jolly, Special for USA Today.
 
 Have you noticed an uptick in those super annoying robocalls, 
 telemarketers, and scams hitting up your smartphone all hours of the day 
 and night? I have, and it's driving me nuts. Last month, I had a bogus 
 call to lower my electricity bill. A few weeks ago, it was a pause after I 
 said hello, then a woman saying, 'Oh, I'm sorry, I'm adjusting my 
 headset,' before launching into a sales pitch of some sort. And then 
 there's the daily deluge of numbers that look legit ' like my daughter's 
 school calling, or a media outlet from Manhattan ' only to end up being an 
 obvious scam. This is George Michael,' says a male caller with a heavy 
 accent, 'calling from your online pharmacy with your diet medication. Talk 
 about adding insult to injury.
 According to the Federal Communications Commission , there are nearly 2.4 
 billion robocalls made every month. That's more than 7'calls per person, 
 according to new research from the YouMail Robocall Index. At best, the 
 calls are frustrating. At worst, they're robbing us blind . So what can we 
 do about it once and for all? Let's start with a little self-education. 
 How the heck are these criminal-callers getting our cell numbers in the 
 first place? If you don't post it publicly across social media, use it on 
 shady shopping sites, or shout it out to every telemarketer who calls ' 
 how is it getting out there? The Better Business Bureau recommends 
 Googling your own number. Do it. I'll wait. Was it there? Mine was. It 
 might not be alongside your name, but chances are it's there, collected by 
 a 'people search'
 company like Nuwber that aggregates information from 'White Pages 
 listings, Public Records and Social Network Information. Thanks to modern 
 technology, these lists are now easy for cyber scammers to scrape. 'And 
 that's how the the robo-games begin. Related: Putting your number in the 
 Do Not Call registry is one step to blocking robocalls. (Photo: Jennifer 
 Jolly for USA
 TODAY.) If you haven't already, add your cell number to the National Do 
 Not Call list . I just went there to verify that I'm on the list and sure 
 enough, I've been registered since February 2006. So much for that.
 Obviously, it doesn't fix the issue all the way around, but it does help 
 keep legitimate companies from cold-calling you. Sadly for us, the 
 bad-guys have easy workarounds (like #1). If you're already on the Do Not 
 Call Registry and still get hit up, report the calls to the FTC , which 
 compiles the reports and hands out the fines. You can also block them 
 right from your smartphone and block any spammy texts too. Here's where to 
 block calls on your iPhone. (Photo: Jennifer Jolly for

Re: And here's an example of why Apple is losing the digital assistant game

[Scott Granados]

Oh no argument at all Ray, you have a good suggestion, I may just do that.  I 
also may just go to the stock holders meeting.  Let’s cross our fingers and 
hope the next phone and series of iMacs are a slam dunk.


> On Apr 22, 2017, at 10:59 AM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> I’m not arguing your points:  still, I say that if you and the rest write 
> directly to Cook at the address I gave, he will see what you have to say.  I 
> know this because he does in fact see a lot of the e-mail that goes to that 
> address and in some cases, actually responds to it.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Apr 22, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Ray, if Tim Cook were a decent CEO Apple wouldn’t be in this problem.  
>> Here’s a guy who has totally rested on Steve Job’s laurels.  Let’s think 
>> about it, exactly how much has the iPhone changed since Job’s death.  Siri 
>> has completely stagnated, the shape is basically unchanged, the video 
>> processor hasn’t been changed in several versions, the Modems are now and 
>> have been consistently behind the times, and the big change is to add the 
>> Fingerprint censor to the rest of the product line?  Really?  Dropping the 
>> phone jack is the only brassy thing that Apple has done since 2012.
>>  Siri bothers me the most though because Apple was first and had a great 
>> idea that they squandered in my opinion.  I will give them credit on 
>> developing the A10 processor which is a good thing (and the previous apple 
>> series processors) but let’s face it, that part of the operation is actually 
>> farmed out to another company.  They need to breathe new life in to the 
>> design team and stop doing stupid things like buying karaoke car pool, Lyft 
>> and stop buying stolen headphone designs from Dr Dre who ripped them off 
>> from Monster cable’s designer.
>>  I’m not sure I’ll bother writing Tim Cook but I may go to the next 
>> stock holders meeting.  The iMac is at least a chance to redeem themselves 
>> and it looks like they may, here’s hoping but it’s not that hard to design 
>> good laptops and PCs.  They really just need to get it in gear.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 22, 2017, at 8:30 AM, Ray Foret jr >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, Scot, it’s all well and good for you to say that on here:  but, don’t 
>>> you think your message might carry more weight if you wrote Cook himself?
>>> 
>>> tc...@apple.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Apr 22, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Scott Granados >>> > wrote:
 
 So, Apple brought us Siri and we had hi hopes but they’ve let it fall flat 
 on it’s face and are being schooled by Amazon and especially google.  
 Let’s look at the announcements recently from the 3 companies.  Alexa 
 continues to make strides with additional integration across multiple 
 platforms and expanded languages and ability to parse complex sentences,  
 Google takes things even farther allowing their units to distinguish 
 between users by their voices, provides tight integration with hundreds of 
 data sources and literally adds features on a biweekly basis, and Apple, 
 what’s Apple announcing.  Siri now can read your what’s app messages.  
 (Big freaking whoop Apple).  Google announces multiple voice recognition 
 and the addition of real neural net technology and Apple can now read text 
 messages from a 3rd party app.  They have to do better.  The iPhone is 
 such a good phone in every way but then you’re stuck with Siri.  You are 
 letting us down Apple, you’re not innovating any more and you’re going to 
 see folks like my self for example jump off the Apple band wagon and 
 squarely on to the Google Pixel band wagon if you don’t get your act 
 together.  Here’s a link to the big announcement AKA Apple’s continued 
 stagnation.
 
 http://www.redmondpie.com/siri-on-ios-10.3-can-now-read-out-new-whatsapp-messages-for-you/
  
 
 
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Re: Accessible web conferencing: zoom.us

[Scott Granados]

Ah my asterisk game is behind the times was not aware of that.  As always I 
learn something new from your excellent posts.

Wishing I had that 96 KHZ 24 bit across 20 channel sound for the IMAX 
experience in my home.  I’m binging on season 3 Bosh today.  I actually called 
IMAX a year or so ago and asked what they charge for a home theater 
installation.  With the projectors and everything I might have considered 6 
figures when you consider what you get but um no, try 4 million but at least 
that includes planning the installation, installation is separate.;).  I knew I 
was in trouble when they pointed me at James Cameron and J. J. Abrams’ people 
for a reference.  Must be nice to have that capability in house to now only 
playback but edit.  Maybe in another life and a much more lucrative career.

Headed over to check out Asterisk 14 now, thank you as always for the great 
info.

> On Apr 22, 2017, at 10:50 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Indeed, Scott, if we've got the bandwidth, let's bring it on!
> 
> By mentioning 192/16 audio, I'm actually only referring to the opus
> codec that's been in FreeSwitch for sometime, and has finally come to
> Asterisk beginning with Asterisk 14.0.
> 
> I haven't looked into what codecs Zoom.us offers, but opus would not
> surprise me.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Scott Granados writes:
>> I’ve seen proprietary systems for remote recording and such that do 24 bit 
>> at 96 KHz.  Dream Works had a system like this where an OC192 (10 gigabit) 
>> fiber path was pulled from Redwood City to Jerry Seinfeld’s office in New 
>> York.  They put special equipment behind routers on each end (over IP) and 
>> allowed him to direct Bee Movie with out having to travel to California.  It 
>> was a pretty interesting setup and I understand other film makers use 
>> similar technology now.  (Oh and everything was either Linux or Mac based on 
>> the work station side).
>> 
>> I’m with you, I’d like my telephone calls to be 20 channel IMAX please.
>> 
>>> On Apr 21, 2017, at 4:30 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Exactly. And, it could be as stunning as 48Khz sampling, though probably
>>> still 16bit.
>>> 
>>> Now when it gets that good, and the technology is in place to add high
>>> def video to the equation, why are we still making mono connections over
>>> audio? Where's my stereo phone? Heck, where's my Dolby Atmos phone
>>> connection! 
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries writes:
 Makes sense. So in the case where I'm calling from iPhone 6 to iPhone 6 on
 Verizon, the gating factor sounds like whether we're both on LTE at that
 moment in time. When it works, the audio quality is startling.
 
 CB
 
 On 4/21/17 11:27 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> I had a nice long detailed message for Chris on this topic and I crashed 
> my mail program.
> 
> You’re exactly right.  To get more specific to his questions.  Why does 
> it work sometimes and not others.  Being a verizon user I can speak 
> directly to this because you’re using the network I helped build.  When I 
> talk of my time at verizon it was working on the very thing you’re asking 
> about among others.  SO here’s the drill as Janina correctly stated there 
> are all different codecs that support different qualities.  The old phone 
> network used 8KHz or 64K channels.  (56K of payload and 8 K of framing 
> for old networks advanced to 64K channels with only 8 K of framing for 
> every 24 combined channels and so forth.  More recently everything on the 
> phone networks are moving to data networks with IP backbones.  This means 
> you don’t have fixed channel sizes any more and you can use more data per 
> call and we do.  As mentioned there are really clean high bandwidth audio 
> specifications but the one we use tries to find a balance between 
> bandwidth usage and quality.
>   In verizon’s case, only LTE supports this new standard.  When you’re on 
> 3G with Verizon and you place a call your 3G session disconnects and you 
> establish an old 1X voice only channel.  This channel supports at most 
> about 128K which means you have enough head room for one 3 way call 
> initiated form the handset.  When you’re on LTE and Voice over LTE is 
> enabled you can leave the LTE channel up and use that facility with a lot 
> more bandwidth to carry the call.  This means we can have calls with 128, 
> 384, 1024 and more K bandwidth.  Video calling is also included in the 
> VOLTE spec so it’s possible to send voice and data natively through the 
> phone network not using FaceTime or Skype or some other third party 
> software.
>   Why does it work sometimes and not others?  Could be several things.  
> In your case you need to both be on LTE if you’re placing a verizon to 
> verizon call.  If you’re calling another network you you

Re: And here's an example of why Apple is losing the digital assistant game

[Ray Foret jr]

I’m not arguing your points:  still, I say that if you and the rest write 
directly to Cook at the address I gave, he will see what you have to say.  I 
know this because he does in fact see a lot of the e-mail that goes to that 
address and in some cases, actually responds to it.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Apr 22, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Ray, if Tim Cook were a decent CEO Apple wouldn’t be in this problem.  Here’s 
> a guy who has totally rested on Steve Job’s laurels.  Let’s think about it, 
> exactly how much has the iPhone changed since Job’s death.  Siri has 
> completely stagnated, the shape is basically unchanged, the video processor 
> hasn’t been changed in several versions, the Modems are now and have been 
> consistently behind the times, and the big change is to add the Fingerprint 
> censor to the rest of the product line?  Really?  Dropping the phone jack is 
> the only brassy thing that Apple has done since 2012.
>   Siri bothers me the most though because Apple was first and had a great 
> idea that they squandered in my opinion.  I will give them credit on 
> developing the A10 processor which is a good thing (and the previous apple 
> series processors) but let’s face it, that part of the operation is actually 
> farmed out to another company.  They need to breathe new life in to the 
> design team and stop doing stupid things like buying karaoke car pool, Lyft 
> and stop buying stolen headphone designs from Dr Dre who ripped them off from 
> Monster cable’s designer.
>   I’m not sure I’ll bother writing Tim Cook but I may go to the next 
> stock holders meeting.  The iMac is at least a chance to redeem themselves 
> and it looks like they may, here’s hoping but it’s not that hard to design 
> good laptops and PCs.  They really just need to get it in gear.
> 
> 
>  
>> On Apr 22, 2017, at 8:30 AM, Ray Foret jr > > wrote:
>> 
>> Well, Scot, it’s all well and good for you to say that on here:  but, don’t 
>> you think your message might carry more weight if you wrote Cook himself?
>> 
>> tc...@apple.com 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Apr 22, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> So, Apple brought us Siri and we had hi hopes but they’ve let it fall flat 
>>> on it’s face and are being schooled by Amazon and especially google.  Let’s 
>>> look at the announcements recently from the 3 companies.  Alexa continues 
>>> to make strides with additional integration across multiple platforms and 
>>> expanded languages and ability to parse complex sentences,  Google takes 
>>> things even farther allowing their units to distinguish between users by 
>>> their voices, provides tight integration with hundreds of data sources and 
>>> literally adds features on a biweekly basis, and Apple, what’s Apple 
>>> announcing.  Siri now can read your what’s app messages.  (Big freaking 
>>> whoop Apple).  Google announces multiple voice recognition and the addition 
>>> of real neural net technology and Apple can now read text messages from a 
>>> 3rd party app.  They have to do better.  The iPhone is such a good phone in 
>>> every way but then you’re stuck with Siri.  You are letting us down Apple, 
>>> you’re not innovating any more and you’re going to see folks like my self 
>>> for example jump off the Apple band wagon and squarely on to the Google 
>>> Pixel band wagon if you don’t get your act together.  Here’s a link to the 
>>> big announcement AKA Apple’s continued stagnation.
>>> 
>>> http://www.redmondpie.com/siri-on-ios-10.3-can-now-read-out-new-whatsapp-messages-for-you/
>>>  
>>> 
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Re: Accessible web conferencing: zoom.us

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Indeed, Scott, if we've got the bandwidth, let's bring it on!

By mentioning 192/16 audio, I'm actually only referring to the opus
codec that's been in FreeSwitch for sometime, and has finally come to
Asterisk beginning with Asterisk 14.0.

I haven't looked into what codecs Zoom.us offers, but opus would not
surprise me.

Janina

Scott Granados writes:
> I’ve seen proprietary systems for remote recording and such that do 24 bit at 
> 96 KHz.  Dream Works had a system like this where an OC192 (10 gigabit) fiber 
> path was pulled from Redwood City to Jerry Seinfeld’s office in New York.  
> They put special equipment behind routers on each end (over IP) and allowed 
> him to direct Bee Movie with out having to travel to California.  It was a 
> pretty interesting setup and I understand other film makers use similar 
> technology now.  (Oh and everything was either Linux or Mac based on the work 
> station side).
> 
> I’m with you, I’d like my telephone calls to be 20 channel IMAX please.
> 
> > On Apr 21, 2017, at 4:30 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Exactly. And, it could be as stunning as 48Khz sampling, though probably
> > still 16bit.
> > 
> > Now when it gets that good, and the technology is in place to add high
> > def video to the equation, why are we still making mono connections over
> > audio? Where's my stereo phone? Heck, where's my Dolby Atmos phone
> > connection! 
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries writes:
> >> Makes sense. So in the case where I'm calling from iPhone 6 to iPhone 6 on
> >> Verizon, the gating factor sounds like whether we're both on LTE at that
> >> moment in time. When it works, the audio quality is startling.
> >> 
> >> CB
> >> 
> >> On 4/21/17 11:27 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> >>> I had a nice long detailed message for Chris on this topic and I crashed 
> >>> my mail program.
> >>> 
> >>> You’re exactly right.  To get more specific to his questions.  Why does 
> >>> it work sometimes and not others.  Being a verizon user I can speak 
> >>> directly to this because you’re using the network I helped build.  When I 
> >>> talk of my time at verizon it was working on the very thing you’re asking 
> >>> about among others.  SO here’s the drill as Janina correctly stated there 
> >>> are all different codecs that support different qualities.  The old phone 
> >>> network used 8KHz or 64K channels.  (56K of payload and 8 K of framing 
> >>> for old networks advanced to 64K channels with only 8 K of framing for 
> >>> every 24 combined channels and so forth.  More recently everything on the 
> >>> phone networks are moving to data networks with IP backbones.  This means 
> >>> you don’t have fixed channel sizes any more and you can use more data per 
> >>> call and we do.  As mentioned there are really clean high bandwidth audio 
> >>> specifications but the one we use tries to find a balance between 
> >>> bandwidth usage and quality.
> >>>   In verizon’s case, only LTE supports this new standard.  When you’re on 
> >>> 3G with Verizon and you place a call your 3G session disconnects and you 
> >>> establish an old 1X voice only channel.  This channel supports at most 
> >>> about 128K which means you have enough head room for one 3 way call 
> >>> initiated form the handset.  When you’re on LTE and Voice over LTE is 
> >>> enabled you can leave the LTE channel up and use that facility with a lot 
> >>> more bandwidth to carry the call.  This means we can have calls with 128, 
> >>> 384, 1024 and more K bandwidth.  Video calling is also included in the 
> >>> VOLTE spec so it’s possible to send voice and data natively through the 
> >>> phone network not using FaceTime or Skype or some other third party 
> >>> software.
> >>>   Why does it work sometimes and not others?  Could be several things.  
> >>> In your case you need to both be on LTE if you’re placing a verizon to 
> >>> verizon call.  If you’re calling another network you your self need to be 
> >>> on LTE and the far end carrier needs to not only support HD calling but 
> >>> needs to exchange HD calls with Verizon.  T-Mobile does this as an 
> >>> example so if you called a T-Mobile customer and you’re on LTE you should 
> >>> get this quality audio.
> >>>   Does it work between brands of phones?  Yes, this is an open standard 
> >>> so Android devices can talk to iPhones and both can talk to Microsoft 
> >>> phones if the wide band calling is enabled on all accounts involved and 
> >>> all devices are on the appropriate networks for HD calling.
> >>> 
> >>> Let me know if I can expand on anything further or if I’ve just confused 
> >>> things.  Glad to provide more info if needed.
> >>> 
> >>> Thank you
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
>  On Apr 21, 2017, at 11:13 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>   wrote:
>  
>  Chris:
>  
>  The old computer adage, "gigo" applies in answer to your question.
>  
>  There are multiple codecs that can be us

Re: good news about sirius XM

[Scott Granados]

Mike, thank you for this pointer.  Nice to see flash slowly dying off like it 
should.  This is very good news and thanks for pointing it out to the group.

> On Apr 22, 2017, at 10:45 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
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> They have finally gotten rid of their use of Adobe Flash, listening on the 
> web site works really well with safari. I'm glad they finally made this 
> change, it was long overdue. If you have a subscription, give it a try.
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Re: And here's an example of why Apple is losing the digital assistant game

[Scott Granados]

A dead frog maybe.  They forgot to hop.

> On Apr 22, 2017, at 9:46 AM, E.T.  wrote:
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>   Sounds like the typical leap frog game.
> 
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> On 4/22/2017 3:27 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> So, Apple brought us Siri and we had hi hopes but they’ve let it fall flat 
>> on it’s face and are being schooled by Amazon and especially google.  Let’s 
>> look at the announcements recently from the 3 companies.  Alexa continues to 
>> make strides with additional integration across multiple platforms and 
>> expanded languages and ability to parse complex sentences,  Google takes 
>> things even farther allowing their units to distinguish between users by 
>> their voices, provides tight integration with hundreds of data sources and 
>> literally adds features on a biweekly basis, and Apple, what’s Apple 
>> announcing.  Siri now can read your what’s app messages.  (Big freaking 
>> whoop Apple).  Google announces multiple voice recognition and the addition 
>> of real neural net technology and Apple can now read text messages from a 
>> 3rd party app.  They have to do better.  The iPhone is such a good phone in 
>> every way but then you’re stuck with Siri.  You are letting us down Apple, 
>> you’re not innovating any more and you’re going to see folks like my self 
>> for example jump off the Apple band wagon and squarely on to the Google 
>> Pixel band wagon if you don’t get your act together.  Here’s a link to the 
>> big announcement AKA Apple’s continued stagnation.
>> 
>> http://www.redmondpie.com/siri-on-ios-10.3-can-now-read-out-new-whatsapp-messages-for-you/
>> 
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Re: And here's an example of why Apple is losing the digital assistant game

[Scott Granados]

Ray, if Tim Cook were a decent CEO Apple wouldn’t be in this problem.  Here’s a 
guy who has totally rested on Steve Job’s laurels.  Let’s think about it, 
exactly how much has the iPhone changed since Job’s death.  Siri has completely 
stagnated, the shape is basically unchanged, the video processor hasn’t been 
changed in several versions, the Modems are now and have been consistently 
behind the times, and the big change is to add the Fingerprint censor to the 
rest of the product line?  Really?  Dropping the phone jack is the only brassy 
thing that Apple has done since 2012.
Siri bothers me the most though because Apple was first and had a great 
idea that they squandered in my opinion.  I will give them credit on developing 
the A10 processor which is a good thing (and the previous apple series 
processors) but let’s face it, that part of the operation is actually farmed 
out to another company.  They need to breathe new life in to the design team 
and stop doing stupid things like buying karaoke car pool, Lyft and stop buying 
stolen headphone designs from Dr Dre who ripped them off from Monster cable’s 
designer.
I’m not sure I’ll bother writing Tim Cook but I may go to the next 
stock holders meeting.  The iMac is at least a chance to redeem themselves and 
it looks like they may, here’s hoping but it’s not that hard to design good 
laptops and PCs.  They really just need to get it in gear.



> On Apr 22, 2017, at 8:30 AM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> Well, Scot, it’s all well and good for you to say that on here:  but, don’t 
> you think your message might carry more weight if you wrote Cook himself?
> 
> tc...@apple.com 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Apr 22, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> So, Apple brought us Siri and we had hi hopes but they’ve let it fall flat 
>> on it’s face and are being schooled by Amazon and especially google.  Let’s 
>> look at the announcements recently from the 3 companies.  Alexa continues to 
>> make strides with additional integration across multiple platforms and 
>> expanded languages and ability to parse complex sentences,  Google takes 
>> things even farther allowing their units to distinguish between users by 
>> their voices, provides tight integration with hundreds of data sources and 
>> literally adds features on a biweekly basis, and Apple, what’s Apple 
>> announcing.  Siri now can read your what’s app messages.  (Big freaking 
>> whoop Apple).  Google announces multiple voice recognition and the addition 
>> of real neural net technology and Apple can now read text messages from a 
>> 3rd party app.  They have to do better.  The iPhone is such a good phone in 
>> every way but then you’re stuck with Siri.  You are letting us down Apple, 
>> you’re not innovating any more and you’re going to see folks like my self 
>> for example jump off the Apple band wagon and squarely on to the Google 
>> Pixel band wagon if you don’t get your act together.  Here’s a link to the 
>> big announcement AKA Apple’s continued stagnation.
>> 
>> http://www.redmondpie.com/siri-on-ios-10.3-can-now-read-out-new-whatsapp-messages-for-you/
>>  
>> 
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good news about sirius XM

[Mike Arrigo]

They have finally gotten rid of their use of Adobe Flash, listening on the web 
site works really well with safari. I'm glad they finally made this change, it 
was long overdue. If you have a subscription, give it a try.

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Re: And here's an example of why Apple is losing the digital assistant game

[E.T.]

   Sounds like the typical leap frog game.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
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E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 4/22/2017 3:27 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

So, Apple brought us Siri and we had hi hopes but they’ve let it fall flat on 
it’s face and are being schooled by Amazon and especially google.  Let’s look 
at the announcements recently from the 3 companies.  Alexa continues to make 
strides with additional integration across multiple platforms and expanded 
languages and ability to parse complex sentences,  Google takes things even 
farther allowing their units to distinguish between users by their voices, 
provides tight integration with hundreds of data sources and literally adds 
features on a biweekly basis, and Apple, what’s Apple announcing.  Siri now can 
read your what’s app messages.  (Big freaking whoop Apple).  Google announces 
multiple voice recognition and the addition of real neural net technology and 
Apple can now read text messages from a 3rd party app.  They have to do better. 
 The iPhone is such a good phone in every way but then you’re stuck with Siri.  
You are letting us down Apple, you’re not innovating any more and you’re going 
to see folks like my self for example jump off the Apple band wagon and 
squarely on to the Google Pixel band wagon if you don’t get your act together.  
Here’s a link to the big announcement AKA Apple’s continued stagnation.

http://www.redmondpie.com/siri-on-ios-10.3-can-now-read-out-new-whatsapp-messages-for-you/



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Re: How To Stop Those Annoying, Endless Robocalls To Your Smartphone, USA Today

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

What about legit calls from Europe using cheap prepaid cards, these are we show 
up as random numbers. Would  I and up blocking those two?

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 

> On Apr 21, 2017, at 8:16 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I used to post information about my homebased business on facebook, which I 
> eventually stopped doing, sense my web site has my number attached to it for 
> people to contact me, and the verry next day I would get calls from random 
> numbers with no message.
>> On Apr 18, 2017, at 1:22 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Try doing a pattern match on 9 digit US social security numbers or 16 digit 
>> credit cards.  YOu’d be surprised what’s posted online.;).  I’m building a 
>> block list that blocks automatically most telemarketers and scammers etc.  
>> They get through once in a while but you just add them when you find them.  
>> As they say it’s sort of a whack a mole game.
>> 
>>> On Apr 18, 2017, at 1:11 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ok, that's bloody scarey stuff,
>>> 
>>> I just googled my mobile number and not only is it on there I was the one 
>>> that posted it in an email to another list.
>>> Hells teeth.
>>> Crazy crazy stff.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
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>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 18 April 2017 12:56 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: How To Stop Those Annoying, Endless Robocalls To Your Smartphone, 
>>> USA Today
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> I hope you find the following article helpful.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> HOW TO STOP THOSE ANNOYING, ENDLESS ROBOCALLS TO YOUR SMARTPHONE By 
>>> Jennifer Jolly, Special for USA Today.
>>> 
>>> Have you noticed an uptick in those super annoying robocalls, 
>>> telemarketers, and scams hitting up your smartphone all hours of the day 
>>> and night? I have, and it's driving me nuts. Last month, I had a bogus call 
>>> to lower my electricity bill. A few weeks ago, it was a pause after I said 
>>> hello, then a woman saying, 'Oh, I'm sorry, I'm adjusting my headset,' 
>>> before launching into a sales pitch of some sort. And then there's the 
>>> daily deluge of numbers that look legit ' like my daughter's school 
>>> calling, or a media outlet from Manhattan ' only to end up being an obvious 
>>> scam. This is George Michael,' says a male caller with a heavy accent, 
>>> 'calling from your online pharmacy with your diet medication. Talk about 
>>> adding insult to injury.
>>> According to the Federal Communications Commission , there are nearly 2.4 
>>> billion robocalls made every month. That's more than 7'calls per person, 
>>> according to new research from the YouMail Robocall Index. At best, the 
>>> calls are frustrating. At worst, they're robbing us blind . So what can we 
>>> do about it once and for all? Let's start with a little self-education. How 
>>> the heck are these criminal-callers getting our cell numbers in the first 
>>> place? If you don't post it publicly across social media, use it on shady 
>>> shopping sites, or shout it out to every telemarketer who calls ' how is it 
>>> getting out there? The Better Business Bureau recommends Googling your own 
>>> number. Do it. I'll wait. Was it there? Mine was. It might not be alongside 
>>> your name, but chances are it's there, collected by a 'people search'
>>> company like Nuwber that aggregates information from 'White Pages listings, 
>>> Public Records and Social Network Information. Thanks to modern technology, 
>>> these lists are now easy for cyber scammers to scrape. 'And that's how the 
>>> the robo-games begin. Related: Putting your number in the Do Not Call 
>>> registry is one step to blocking robocalls. (Photo: Jennifer Jolly for USA
>>> TODAY.) If you haven't already, add your cell number to the National Do Not 
>>> Call list . I just went there to verify that I'm on the list and sure 
>>> enough, I've been registered since February 2006. So much for that.
>>> Obviously, it doesn't fix the issue all the way around, but it does help 
>>> keep legitimate companies from cold-calling you. Sadly for us, the bad-guys 
>>> have easy workarounds (like #1). If you're already on the Do Not Call 
>>> Registry and still get hit up, report the calls to the FTC , which compiles 
>>> the reports and hands out the fines. You can also block them right from 
>>> your smartphone and block any spammy texts too. Here's where to block calls 
>>> on your iPhone. (Photo: Jennifer Jolly for USA TODAY) On iPhones , tap the 
>>> green phone icon on your home screen, select the 'Recents' tab on the 
>>> bottom of the screen, then tap the blue 'i' information icon next to the 
>>> phone number you want to block. A screen pops up with a bunch of options 
>>> and at the very bottom you'll find 'Block This Caller. Tap it and then when 
>>> the verification screen appears, confirm your decision. On most Androids , 
>>> there are two easy ways to 

Re: Word 2016 accessibility?

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

You should probably create  an activity an activity for Wordd first. That way 
you should only lose tracking. Try turning off vo follows insertion and see if 
that resolves issues. Also, if you are not planning on editing the document, 
you might want to use TextEdit were safe to HTML to read it.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 

> On Apr 21, 2017, at 8:45 PM, Maurice Mines  wrote:
> 
> So that my mother standing here, you need to turn cursor tracking off in the 
> VoiceOver settings and order for word 2016 to work properly right? I'm 
> running this on a bed 2015 MacBook Pro.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 21, 2017, at 7:37 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> I have used MS Word 2016 for basic document editing with no major issues. 
>> When reading a document that had a lot of tables, word did not work very 
>> well. One suggestion that I have read and agree with is that it works much 
>> better with cursor tracking turned off. This does mean you have to be 
>> careful about some VO commands since they expect the mouse to be hovering 
>> over the VO cursor. (specifically click and contextual menus.)
>> The dialog that comes up when Word first starts is a bit annoying and better 
>> to be turned off in my opinion. This can be done in the settings.
>> 
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 21, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Maurice Mines  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Good evening, I am wondering what's the status of the current version of 
>>> words level of accessibility. Recently re-install office 2016, and I'm 
>>> finding word to be pretty much unusable. Did Microsoft go back on their 
>>> accessibility improvements that were done last year? Any ideas? There's a 
>>> easy, and quick solution? 
>>> 
>>> If there is a solution, and it's just a matter of reconfiguring voiceover, 
>>> and explanation nation of how to do that would be greatly appreciated. 
>>> Please excuse some of the syntax errors because I'm actually dictating this 
>>> to my cell phone. Hope everyone is having an outstanding Friday evening. 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Looking for a good SIP client for the iPhone that is accessible

[Michael Busboom]

Hey everybody,

Well, the subject line pretty much says what I am looking for.  I have several 
contacts who have been encouraging me to use their Sip address to reach them.  
Since I have never done this, I don’t know which client works best and if I 
need to sign up for a Sip service.  I sometimes use VoipBuster to make 
international calls, and they do have Sip capabilities, or so it seems.

Thanks for any advice you can give.

Mike

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Re: How do I find my device ID on a VZ iPhone?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Simon,

I wish!  At least my husband is finally free an clear to upgrade.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Apr 21, 2017, at 4:39 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi Donna,
> 
> That makes sence as the IMEI would be the device ID on the providers network,
> 
> As for their cockup with your billing, surely they owe either you or your 
> husband a new iPhone 7 since you've been paying for it.
> 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, 22 April 2017 12:14 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How do I find my device ID on a VZ iPhone?
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> As it turns out, it was the IMEI that she wanted. But oh, if only that were 
> the worst of it. lol
> 
> When I upgraded to my 7 last fall, the store where I did the upgrade seems to 
> have screwed up a lot.  For starters, instead of giving me a new sim, they 
> moved the old sim into my 7.  So, Verizon saw that as me still using the 6s, 
> and promptly transferred the payment for the 6s over to my husband's line, 
> which was about to be paid off.  (Mind you, they didn't cancel the payment on 
> the 7, so we've been paying for a nonexistent phone since September.)  We 
> would never have realized this, except his phone was supposed to be paid off 
> last October, so last weekend he decided to upgrade to the 7+.  When we got 
> to the store, they said he couldn't upgrade till he paid off the remainder of 
> the balance on the 6S.  Verizon had no record anywhere of a 7 being used on 
> either of our lines, and to further complicate things, it seems the store 
> didn't return my 6S, so they didn't even have that return on file.  It 
> appears to be sorted out now, but only after talking to four different reps, 
> and spending about four hours on the phone.  Honestly, it was one of the most 
> ridiculous screw-ups I've ever seen.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Apr 21, 2017, at 3:42 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> Just weird they couldn't give you the correct info at the beginning 
>> 
>> Good luck and hope it gets sorted for you.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Friday, 21 April 2017 1:44 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: How do I find my device ID on a VZ iPhone?
>> 
>> Hi Simon,
>> 
>> In my experience, if they want the IMEI, they ask for that.  I'm going to 
>> follow Barry's suggestion this morning and take a look in iTunes.  If I 
>> don't find it there, then I'll assume you're right.  I'm speaking with 
>> someone this afternoon, so if she wants something else, she can tell me.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna 
>>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 3:58 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> I would have thought the device ID according to the network provider would 
>>> be the IMEI number?
>>> 
>>> May be you shuld ask them what this number is and possibly how long!
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hadder
>>> Sent: Thursday, 20 April 2017 1:58 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: How do I find my device ID on a VZ iPhone?
>>> 
>>> I think that you can only get the unique device identification number 
>>> (UDID) by connecting to iTunes.
>>> in the summary section, just press the serial number button until it says 
>>> UDID.
>>> 
>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 19:37, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I'm having a problem with VZ, and need to give them my device ID.  I've 
>>> looked under general, About, but don't see anything that says device ID.  I 
>>> see the IMEI, the ICCID, and the MEID, but nothing that says device ID.  
>>> Can anyone tell me where this should be?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
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Re: And here's an example of why Apple is losing the digital assistant game

[Ray Foret jr]

Well, Scot, it’s all well and good for you to say that on here:  but, don’t you 
think your message might carry more weight if you wrote Cook himself?

tc...@apple.com


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> On Apr 22, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> So, Apple brought us Siri and we had hi hopes but they’ve let it fall flat on 
> it’s face and are being schooled by Amazon and especially google.  Let’s look 
> at the announcements recently from the 3 companies.  Alexa continues to make 
> strides with additional integration across multiple platforms and expanded 
> languages and ability to parse complex sentences,  Google takes things even 
> farther allowing their units to distinguish between users by their voices, 
> provides tight integration with hundreds of data sources and literally adds 
> features on a biweekly basis, and Apple, what’s Apple announcing.  Siri now 
> can read your what’s app messages.  (Big freaking whoop Apple).  Google 
> announces multiple voice recognition and the addition of real neural net 
> technology and Apple can now read text messages from a 3rd party app.  They 
> have to do better.  The iPhone is such a good phone in every way but then 
> you’re stuck with Siri.  You are letting us down Apple, you’re not innovating 
> any more and you’re going to see folks like my self for example jump off the 
> Apple band wagon and squarely on to the Google Pixel band wagon if you don’t 
> get your act together.  Here’s a link to the big announcement AKA Apple’s 
> continued stagnation.
> 
> http://www.redmondpie.com/siri-on-ios-10.3-can-now-read-out-new-whatsapp-messages-for-you/
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Re: Sitrix access

[Scott Granados]

What about Google drive?

> On Apr 22, 2017, at 7:28 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Yes, but the organisation does not support Apple (save for iPads), so they 
> will probably require OneDrive. I personally would prefer iCloud. I seriously 
> doubt they will accept dropbox.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 22/04/2017, at 18:12, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi David,
>> 
>> One drive is very usable on IOS and jaws obviously,
>> 
>> But remember that Interlectual property is questionable within One Drive 
>> especially for government organisations
>> 
>> Good luck though.
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>  ] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
>> Sent: Saturday, 22 April 2017 4:37 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Sitrix access
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yes, once I receive my local access laptop, I will find a way to easily 
>> transfer documents between the iPad and the laptop. Email will definitely 
>> work. However, I will first try Microsoft One Drive. It will depend on the 
>> permissions desktop support gives me on the laptop. At the very least, they 
>> will allow me to install the screen reader. My question is JFW or NVDA. That 
>> will depend on how well NVDA can access our specialised programs. I would 
>> prefer to avoid the several hundred dollar JFW upgrade cost as my JFW 
>> license is 5 years out-of-date..
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 21/04/2017, at 19:05, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> David,
>> 
>> Have you thought of other possible options to get your documentation from 
>> the iPad to the shared drives?
>> 
>> I’m just wondering if it might be possible to save documents to a secure 
>> cloud environment
>> 
>> Can’t believe there wouldn’t be something that could be used
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>  ] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
>> Sent: Friday, 21 April 2017 9:41 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Sitrix access
>> 
>> As for running Windows, I will do most of my admin work on the iPad. The 
>> computer will mainly be used to place my completed paperwork on the network 
>> drives.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 20/04/2017, at 17:58, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> That’s such a bogus reason not to install JFW.  Especially when you can 
>> deploy it so it only runs for the specific users required.  All that is I 
>> think is an IT department to lazy to do their jobs.  People bitch about jaws 
>> or voice over and security in the mean time demanding that their favorite 
>> messenger or media player is installed that really does have security 
>> concerns.  (I’m sorry we can’t install JFW for you oh and get ready we’re 
>> pushing out a new Java virtual machine). Right!
>> 
>> Not a bad work around though.  The only problem is having to run windows, 
>> that would be a deal breaker for me.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 3:01 AM, David Chittenden > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks all.
>> 
>> It turns out, the company has two other blind employees. They will not place 
>> JFW on the Citrix do to security concerns. However, the fix is to provide 
>> the blind employee with a laptop which is configured for local access. I 
>> then carry the laptop with me for work. Now, back to Windows 7 after 6 years 
>> of Mac and iOS.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 20/04/2017, at 04:30, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Also, unless you are running JAWS on both the remote and local machine, you 
>> can expect that speech output will be choppy as the voice communications get 
>> merged with  all the window activity. When JAWS or WindowEyes is run on both 
>> system and the licensing is correctly recognized, then the remote system 
>> will just send the text to be read or braille to your local machine and not 
>> the complete sound f of the synthesized speech.
>> 
>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:35 AM Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> The only way I know of doing this is with JFW.
>>

Re: Sitrix access

[David Chittenden]

Yes, but the organisation does not support Apple (save for iPads), so they will 
probably require OneDrive. I personally would prefer iCloud. I seriously doubt 
they will accept dropbox.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

> On 22/04/2017, at 18:12, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
>  
> One drive is very usable on IOS and jaws obviously,
>  
> But remember that Interlectual property is questionable within One Drive 
> especially for government organisations
>  
> Good luck though.
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Saturday, 22 April 2017 4:37 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Sitrix access
>  
> Hi,
>  
> Yes, once I receive my local access laptop, I will find a way to easily 
> transfer documents between the iPad and the laptop. Email will definitely 
> work. However, I will first try Microsoft One Drive. It will depend on the 
> permissions desktop support gives me on the laptop. At the very least, they 
> will allow me to install the screen reader. My question is JFW or NVDA. That 
> will depend on how well NVDA can access our specialised programs. I would 
> prefer to avoid the several hundred dollar JFW upgrade cost as my JFW license 
> is 5 years out-of-date..
> 
> Kind regards,
>  
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 21/04/2017, at 19:05, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> David,
>  
> Have you thought of other possible options to get your documentation from the 
> iPad to the shared drives?
>  
> I’m just wondering if it might be possible to save documents to a secure 
> cloud environment
>  
> Can’t believe there wouldn’t be something that could be used
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Friday, 21 April 2017 9:41 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Sitrix access
>  
> As for running Windows, I will do most of my admin work on the iPad. The 
> computer will mainly be used to place my completed paperwork on the network 
> drives.
> 
> Kind regards,
>  
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 20/04/2017, at 17:58, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> That’s such a bogus reason not to install JFW.  Especially when you can 
> deploy it so it only runs for the specific users required.  All that is I 
> think is an IT department to lazy to do their jobs.  People bitch about jaws 
> or voice over and security in the mean time demanding that their favorite 
> messenger or media player is installed that really does have security 
> concerns.  (I’m sorry we can’t install JFW for you oh and get ready we’re 
> pushing out a new Java virtual machine). Right!
>  
> Not a bad work around though.  The only problem is having to run windows, 
> that would be a deal breaker for me.
>  
>  
>  
> On Apr 20, 2017, at 3:01 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>  
> Thanks all.
>  
> It turns out, the company has two other blind employees. They will not place 
> JFW on the Citrix do to security concerns. However, the fix is to provide the 
> blind employee with a laptop which is configured for local access. I then 
> carry the laptop with me for work. Now, back to Windows 7 after 6 years of 
> Mac and iOS.
> 
> Kind regards,
>  
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 20/04/2017, at 04:30, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Also, unless you are running JAWS on both the remote and local machine, you 
> can expect that speech output will be choppy as the voice communications get 
> merged with  all the window activity. When JAWS or WindowEyes is run on both 
> system and the licensing is correctly recognized, then the remote system will 
> just send the text to be read or braille to your local machine and not the 
> complete sound f of the synthesized speech. 
>  
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:35 AM Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> The only way I know of doing this is with JFW.
> 
> Virtual desktops are a tricky thing.
> 
> > On Apr 19, 2017, at 4:40 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I started a new job. The company requires Citrix to access the information 
> > drives.
> >
> > To be specific, the computers are set to automatically connect into a 
> > secure website. This site then displays username and password fields for 
> > log in. The system then uses Citrix Receiver to access the user's virtual 
> > desktop.
> >
> > I installed Citrix Receiver onto an iPhone and an iPad. Once the system 
> > accesses through Citrix, the interface becomes inaccessible. I then 
> > installed Citrix Receiver onto my 2011 MacBook Air. Again, Citrix Receiver 
> > worked, and again, the resulting screen is not accessible.
> >

And here's an example of why Apple is losing the digital assistant game

[Scott Granados]

So, Apple brought us Siri and we had hi hopes but they’ve let it fall flat on 
it’s face and are being schooled by Amazon and especially google.  Let’s look 
at the announcements recently from the 3 companies.  Alexa continues to make 
strides with additional integration across multiple platforms and expanded 
languages and ability to parse complex sentences,  Google takes things even 
farther allowing their units to distinguish between users by their voices, 
provides tight integration with hundreds of data sources and literally adds 
features on a biweekly basis, and Apple, what’s Apple announcing.  Siri now can 
read your what’s app messages.  (Big freaking whoop Apple).  Google announces 
multiple voice recognition and the addition of real neural net technology and 
Apple can now read text messages from a 3rd party app.  They have to do better. 
 The iPhone is such a good phone in every way but then you’re stuck with Siri.  
You are letting us down Apple, you’re not innovating any more and you’re going 
to see folks like my self for example jump off the Apple band wagon and 
squarely on to the Google Pixel band wagon if you don’t get your act together.  
Here’s a link to the big announcement AKA Apple’s continued stagnation.

http://www.redmondpie.com/siri-on-ios-10.3-can-now-read-out-new-whatsapp-messages-for-you/

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Re: changing "open with" menu

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Jeff,

To change the default application for opening a particular kind of file, select 
a file of that type and press Cmd-i. Navigate to the Open with disclosure 
triangle and if it’s collapsed, press VO-Space. Just to the right is a popup 
button which allows you to select the appropriate application. To the right 
again you’ll find: "Use this application to open all documents like this one” 
and to the right a Change All button.
Press Cmd-w to close the window.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 22 Apr 2017, at 00:37, jeff `greene  wrote:
> 
> Hi List, I think I've done this before but don't remember how.
> Suddenly hitting command+o on an .m4v movie opens the app store
> instead of itunes. In fact if I hit VO+shift+m and choose open with
> itunes isn't even in the list. So how do I edit this "open with" list
> in Sierra?
> Thanks Jeff
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Re: changing "open with" menu

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hello,

After you’ve activated the “open with” menu item, vo+down arrow to the item 
that says other
.  Activate it and you should be in the dialog window where yo can choose from 
amongst your apps which one you want to use.
> On 21 Apr 2017, at 23:37, jeff `greene  wrote:
> 
> Hi List, I think I've done this before but don't remember how.
> Suddenly hitting command+o on an .m4v movie opens the app store
> instead of itunes. In fact if I hit VO+shift+m and choose open with
> itunes isn't even in the list. So how do I edit this "open with" list
> in Sierra?
> Thanks Jeff
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RE: Sitrix access

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi David,

One drive is very usable on IOS and jaws obviously,

But remember that Interlectual property is questionable within One Drive 
especially for government organisations

Good luck though.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Saturday, 22 April 2017 4:37 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sitrix access

Hi,

Yes, once I receive my local access laptop, I will find a way to easily 
transfer documents between the iPad and the laptop. Email will definitely work. 
However, I will first try Microsoft One Drive. It will depend on the 
permissions desktop support gives me on the laptop. At the very least, they 
will allow me to install the screen reader. My question is JFW or NVDA. That 
will depend on how well NVDA can access our specialised programs. I would 
prefer to avoid the several hundred dollar JFW upgrade cost as my JFW license 
is 5 years out-of-date..

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

On 21/04/2017, at 19:05, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
David,

Have you thought of other possible options to get your documentation from the 
iPad to the shared drives?

I’m just wondering if it might be possible to save documents to a secure cloud 
environment

Can’t believe there wouldn’t be something that could be used
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Friday, 21 April 2017 9:41 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sitrix access

As for running Windows, I will do most of my admin work on the iPad. The 
computer will mainly be used to place my completed paperwork on the network 
drives.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
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On 20/04/2017, at 17:58, Scott Granados 
mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
That’s such a bogus reason not to install JFW.  Especially when you can deploy 
it so it only runs for the specific users required.  All that is I think is an 
IT department to lazy to do their jobs.  People bitch about jaws or voice over 
and security in the mean time demanding that their favorite messenger or media 
player is installed that really does have security concerns.  (I’m sorry we 
can’t install JFW for you oh and get ready we’re pushing out a new Java virtual 
machine). Right!

Not a bad work around though.  The only problem is having to run windows, that 
would be a deal breaker for me.



On Apr 20, 2017, at 3:01 AM, David Chittenden 
mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks all.

It turns out, the company has two other blind employees. They will not place 
JFW on the Citrix do to security concerns. However, the fix is to provide the 
blind employee with a laptop which is configured for local access. I then carry 
the laptop with me for work. Now, back to Windows 7 after 6 years of Mac and 
iOS.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

On 20/04/2017, at 04:30, Jonathan Cohn 
mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Also, unless you are running JAWS on both the remote and local machine, you can 
expect that speech output will be choppy as the voice communications get merged 
with  all the window activity. When JAWS or WindowEyes is run on both system 
and the licensing is correctly recognized, then the remote system will just 
send the text to be read or braille to your local machine and not the complete 
sound f of the synthesized speech.

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:35 AM Scott Granados 
mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The only way I know of doing this is with JFW.

Virtual desktops are a tricky thing.

> On Apr 19, 2017, at 4:40 AM, David Chittenden 
> mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I started a new job. The company requires Citrix to access the information 
> drives.
>
> To be specific, the computers are set to automatically connect into a secure 
> website. This site then displays username and password fields for log in. The 
> system then uses Citrix Receiver to access the user's virtual desktop.
>
> I installed Citrix Receiver onto an iPhone and an iPad. Once the system 
> accesses through Citrix, the interface becomes inaccessible. I then installed 
> Citrix Receiver onto my 2011 MacBook Air. Again, Citrix Receiver worked, and 
> again, the resulting screen is not accessible.
>
> Does anyone know of an app for iOS or Mac which will give VoiceOver access to 
> the Citrix Receiver web remote interface desktop?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936