Re: follow-up to AirPods with Apple Watch

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Alex,

It's only automatic between the watch and the phone.  I think it's because the 
watch and the phone are already paired.  The tech told me that VO should not 
interfere, that is, just as when i use VO on my phone and it comes over my 
AirPods, the same should happen with the watch once this bug is addressed.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jun 12, 2017, at 7:39 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Audio issues aside, I'm really surprised to hear that audio switching is 
> automatic. For sighted users, I have to wonder if media playback is the key? 
> That is, notification sounds on one device won't cause the Pods to take over, 
> but music or podcasts will. If that's the case, and I don't know that it is, 
> then how will VO speech interfere?
> 
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> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 12, 2017, at 16:18, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Just got off the phone with Apple tech support, and have an update that 
>> those of you with AirPods will want to know.  Apparently, the issue with the 
>> AirPods not picking up audio from the apple watch is a known issue that is 
>> being worked on.  I was told   to expect a fix in a future update.  And I 
>> was correct, when working properly, the AirPods should automatically detect 
>> whether you are using the phone or the Watch, and automatically switch to 
>> the correct device.  The need for manually switching between phone and Mac 
>> is the proper behavior.
>> 
>> Hope this is helpful.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: follow-up to AirPods with Apple Watch

[Alex Hall]

Audio issues aside, I'm really surprised to hear that audio switching is 
automatic. For sighted users, I have to wonder if media playback is the key? 
That is, notification sounds on one device won't cause the Pods to take over, 
but music or podcasts will. If that's the case, and I don't know that it is, 
then how will VO speech interfere?

--
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> On Jun 12, 2017, at 16:18, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Just got off the phone with Apple tech support, and have an update that those 
> of you with AirPods will want to know.  Apparently, the issue with the 
> AirPods not picking up audio from the apple watch is a known issue that is 
> being worked on.  I was told   to expect a fix in a future update.  And I was 
> correct, when working properly, the AirPods should automatically detect 
> whether you are using the phone or the Watch, and automatically switch to the 
> correct device.  The need for manually switching between phone and Mac is the 
> proper behavior.
> 
> Hope this is helpful.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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RE: Epson ET2550 Multi Function Printer

[gary-melconian]

I own the eco tank from Epson and  its very accessible to the blind. It comes 
with 2 years of ink in the box an it’s a very fast all in one for the office. 
Thats what I use it for.   It works really well with both windows and mac . 
also can work with other ocr packages that  may be used on either pc or mac.  

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Subject: Epson ET2550 Multi Function Printer

Hi all,
anybody know anything about the above printer? How blind friendly etc.
Thanks for any advice.
Max.

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Epson ET2550 Multi Function Printer

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Hi all,
anybody know anything about the above printer? How blind friendly etc.
Thanks for any advice.
Max.

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Re: Help Getting Safari Out of the Side Bar

[Brian Fischler]

Thanks Tim and John will give this a try tomorrow when I see him. Appreciate it.
> On Jun 12, 2017, at 4:49 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Brian,
> 
> As John mentioned, if you cmd-tab back to the Finder it should still have 
> focus on Safari.  Don't move VO or what you are saying will continue to 
> happen.  Once in the Finder, just press VO-shift-m and the Contextual menu 
> should come up with the Remove from Sidebar option.  If for some reason, it 
> still tries to jump you away, before pressing cmd-tab, maybe turn off Cursor 
> Tracking with VO-shift-f3.  If you do invoke this command, remember to turn 
> Cursor Tracking back on with the same toggle command, otherwise, you'll get 
> quite frustrated.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 12, 2017, at 14:30, Brian Fischler  > wrote:
> 
> Hi John, Does not work as as soon as I hear VO read safari I am launched in 
> to safari. Yes, I know about using VO shift M to remove something from the 
> side bar but safari seems to take over before I can do so.
>> On Jun 12, 2017, at 2:25 PM, John Panarese > > wrote:
>> 
>>   If you go back to Finder, you should still be on Safari in the sidebar. 
>> Press VO-shift-m and choose, remove from Sidebar, from the menu.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
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>>> On Jun 12, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Brian Fischler >> > wrote:
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>>> A student of mine accidentantly put Safari on the side bar and when I go 
>>> down to remove it every time I land on Safari in the side bar it 
>>> automatically kicks me out of finder and launches me in to safari. Anyone 
>>> know how to remove safari from the side bar? I thought I could do so on the 
>>> icon on the dock but that was not an option. Thanks,
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Re: Help Getting Safari Out of the Side Bar

[Tim Kilburn]

Brian,

As John mentioned, if you cmd-tab back to the Finder it should still have focus 
on Safari.  Don't move VO or what you are saying will continue to happen.  Once 
in the Finder, just press VO-shift-m and the Contextual menu should come up 
with the Remove from Sidebar option.  If for some reason, it still tries to 
jump you away, before pressing cmd-tab, maybe turn off Cursor Tracking with 
VO-shift-f3.  If you do invoke this command, remember to turn Cursor Tracking 
back on with the same toggle command, otherwise, you'll get quite frustrated.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 12, 2017, at 14:30, Brian Fischler  wrote:

Hi John, Does not work as as soon as I hear VO read safari I am launched in to 
safari. Yes, I know about using VO shift M to remove something from the side 
bar but safari seems to take over before I can do so.
> On Jun 12, 2017, at 2:25 PM, John Panarese  > wrote:
> 
>   If you go back to Finder, you should still be on Safari in the sidebar. 
> Press VO-shift-m and choose, remove from Sidebar, from the menu.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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> Director
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>> On Jun 12, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Brian Fischler > > wrote:
>> 
>> A student of mine accidentantly put Safari on the side bar and when I go 
>> down to remove it every time I land on Safari in the side bar it 
>> automatically kicks me out of finder and launches me in to safari. Anyone 
>> know how to remove safari from the side bar? I thought I could do so on the 
>> icon on the dock but that was not an option. Thanks,
>> 
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Re: Help Getting Safari Out of the Side Bar

[Brian Fischler]

Hi John, Does not work as as soon as I hear VO read safari I am launched in to 
safari. Yes, I know about using VO shift M to remove something from the side 
bar but safari seems to take over before I can do so.
> On Jun 12, 2017, at 2:25 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   If you go back to Finder, you should still be on Safari in the sidebar. 
> Press VO-shift-m and choose, remove from Sidebar, from the menu.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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> Director
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>> On Jun 12, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Brian Fischler > > wrote:
>> 
>> A student of mine accidentantly put Safari on the side bar and when I go 
>> down to remove it every time I land on Safari in the side bar it 
>> automatically kicks me out of finder and launches me in to safari. Anyone 
>> know how to remove safari from the side bar? I thought I could do so on the 
>> icon on the dock but that was not an option. Thanks,
>> 
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Re: Airplay and Apple TV

[E.T.]

   So probably I would mirror the Mac display.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/12/2017 10:17 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

Yes, sorry, my reference was to using iTunes on your Mac to stream.  Other apps 
would not be able to function in this manner.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 12, 2017, at 08:46, E.T.  wrote:

  Thanks. I will look at this after my shipping today. I probably should have 
said I want to stream from a site that has no app on the Apple TV 3rd. The Mac 
is upstairs, Apple TV is downstairs.

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On 6/12/2017 7:23 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

Yes.  At least it does for me.  There used to be a setting in iTunes Prefs that said 
something to the effect of "Allow Remote Control from Other Apps", but I can't 
find it anymore.  Maybe it's just unnecessary now.  Anyway, I can AirPlay to my Apple TV 
2 or 4 and use their remote to change the song.  Although, most of the time I just play 
everything from the Apple TV as they have the exact same iTunes Libraries anyway.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 12, 2017, at 08:13, E.T.  wrote:

 I've not used Airplay so am interested to try it. Can one control the 
streaming content from the Mac on the ATV?

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follow-up to AirPods with Apple Watch

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

Just got off the phone with Apple tech support, and have an update that those 
of you with AirPods will want to know.  Apparently, the issue with the AirPods 
not picking up audio from the apple watch is a known issue that is being worked 
on.  I was told   to expect a fix in a future update.  And I was correct, when 
working properly, the AirPods should automatically detect whether you are using 
the phone or the Watch, and automatically switch to the correct device.  The 
need for manually switching between phone and Mac is the proper behavior.

Hope this is helpful.
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello Simon.

Just to point out that if you have a machine which was built after 2012, then 
you will get everything spoken whereas, if you have a 2012 model, you will get 
the tones.

Kawal.
> On 12 Jun 2017, at 07:10, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> This was a fresh installation from a wiped SSD approx. 3  weeks ago.
> I run the update from 10.12.4 to 10.12.5 last week so to my knowledge file 
> volt is as up to date as it can get.
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
> Sent: Monday, 12 June 2017 5:45 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled
>  
> Simon,
>  
> Either you have the older version of File Vault enabled or else they 
> eliminated functionality in some systems. I just tried your instructions, and 
> the vo keys with arrows shift arrows and control arrows say nothing when on 
> the initial boot screen. This is true on both my MacBook Air (11-inch, Early 
> 2015) and my  MacBook Pro 2015 bought in June 2016. 
>  
> of course there is the slight possibility that since I changed my default 
> login screen to have text entry for the user name that the firmware based 
> user name / password fields are behaving the same. The firmware login has 
> three phrases it will speak, username, password, and user name or password 
> incorrect. 
>  
> . 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
>  
> On Jun 11, 2017, at 5:00 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>  
> Umm,
>  
> John, this is not true,
>  
> I do this everytime I log in to my mac book air,
> I have file volt running and at the log in screen I start up vo with cmd f5 
> and then vo shift down arrow which opens the users list I select my name and 
> then vo space bar and enter the password,
>  
> And I’ve done this for the last 3 versions of the osx
>  
> So if it’s not working for you guys I don’t know what is different.
>  
> the 
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese
> Sent: Sunday, 11 June 2017 2:57 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled
>  
>This is absolutely correct. You cannot navigate in the login window for 
> FileVault. It doesn't matter how many users have accounts on the system, you 
> simply type your user name at the prompt and then your password. You cannot 
> choose the user as you can do with the normal login window. FileVault's login 
> window is prompted before the system disk even is accessed. It is a special 
> login window entirely. So, there is no automatic login for any account and 
> the option to have VoiceOver speak in the login window is not available for 
> FileVault login.
>  
> 
> Take Care
> 
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> On Jun 10, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>  
> Hello,
>  
> This login is a very limited system screen and though it sounds similar to 
> VoiceOver it is not VoiceOVer It will say user name until you enter a legit 
> user name something like "john" or "joncohn" and hit enter once your user 
> name has been accepted it will say password. If you enter the correct 
> password then in a few seconds you will have all the normal functionality 
> available or else it will say username or password incorrect. 
>  
> My experience has been I have to type in all the characters of my username I 
> have never found a way to do this with arrow keys and certainly the VO style 
> keys I have found to do nothing.
>  
>  
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>  
> On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:14 AM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
>  
> My sighted help could only access the password field when VO was switched 
> off, but if I switch vo again, not even the sighted person can navigate to 
> the username or password field.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> 
> On 10 Jun 2017, at 13:07, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
> 
> Did your sighted friend see the password field? 
> 
> Take care
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 9. jun. 2017 kl. 21.54 skrev Nickus de Vos :
> 
> I did switch on voice-over, I even tried and to switch on and off a couple of 
> times. I'll try again maybe I missed something.
> Thanks
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> 
> On 09 Jun 2017, at 21:41, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I haven't used FileVault, but have been thinking about doing it for a while 
> now. So I have a question about John's post. Do you choose a username, or is 
> it assigned? If assigned, what do you have to 

Re: VIrtual box and other operating systems than windows.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Hmm, i haven’t tried this myself either.
WHen the Linux has started i deactivate Voiceover and use the linux 
screenreader needed.
In my case it is Orca.
But it works like a charm.
/A
> 11 juni 2017 kl. 22:47 skrev Jonathan Cohn :
> 
> There is one possibility of using VoiceOver when working with a Linux VM but 
> I would expect it would not work very well.
> 
> 1. Start Linux VM.
> 2. Start X11 server on the Macintosh and have it connect to the VM.
> 3. Try using VoiceOver with the X11 Screens.
> 
> I have no idea if the X11 window server which is now a download from the 
> Apple and not usually installed on the OS has any hooks to work with 
> VOiceOVer. But then the last time I used X11 was in 2009. Hmm, I wonder if  
> XTank would work with VoiceOVer?
> 
>  
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 11, 2017, at 6:06 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>> > 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thankfully, you don't have to rely on Voice Over when running Linux
>> shell level apps. Instead, you use Speakup, or brltty, or emacspeak, or
>> perhaps the new Henrii. Voice Over would be as bad at the Linux shell as
>> it is in the Mac terminal.
>> 
>> You might want VO in Linux graphical desktop apps, but it won't run
>> there, either. Instead, you use Orca.
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> Karen Lewellen writes:
>>> even if you are starting from your mac and connecting to  Linux?
>>> I feel that is correct but wish to be sure.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, 10 Jun 2017, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>>> 
 Hi!
 In the connected operating system you use the screenreader for Linux.
 But elsewhere you should be able to use voiceover from what i can tell.
 /A
> 10 juni 2017 kl. 20:10 skrev Karen Lewellen  >:
> 
> Scott,
> I am curious, if one uses this program to connect to a different 
> operating system like Linux, which screen reader is used?
> By which I mean does Voiceover work even in these different environments?
> Thanks,
> Kare
> 
> 
> On Fri, 9 Jun 2017, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> Yes, it’s a free alternative to VMWare. One of the advantages is that it 
>> has a command line feature so you can script and type commands instead 
>> of point and click and use the GUI.
>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 9:24 PM, Sharon Hooley >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> So is this an alternative to VMWare?
>>> 
>>> thanks,
>>> 
 On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:24 PM, Anders Holmberg > wrote:
 
 Hi!
 Since Simon Fogarty here on this list mentioned that VirtualBox was 
 accessible i thought i would give it a try today.
 It seems to work but when selecting an operating system i can only see 
 windows and no other systems to select from.
 But i would like to try out som linux distributions in the virtual box.
 Can this be done without sight?
 Thanks in advance.
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Re: iOS 11 will let you record your iPhone or iPad's screen - CNET

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, at this stage, it will be the dev beta. Public beta is scheduled for 
release at the end of this month. No pung intended, but Apple announced this in 
public at their keynote.
> On 11 Jun 2017, at 02:22, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> That sounds interesting.  I wonder if that will help with captcha solving 
> issues as well?
>> On Jun 10, 2017, at 2:00 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Alex is that the public beta or dev beta?
>> 
>> 
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>> Subject: iOS 11 will let you record your iPhone or iPad's screen - CNET
>> 
>> iOS 11 will let you record your iPhone or iPad's screen - CNET The developer 
>> preview is out, and users are beginning to talk about features Apple didn't 
>> announce during the keynote. One such feature is built-in screen recording.
>> It appears - as of right now - the feature is triggered through a button in 
>> Control Center. There's a bit of work you'll need to do to set it up, but 
>> once it's there, you can record your iOS device's display to show off your 
>> gaming skills, or capture a random bug that keeps occurring.
>> Below you can check out the video Twitter user @Alexpettitt made detailing 
>> how to enable and use the feature:
>> I had way too much fun recording this... but here's how to enable screen 
>> recorder in iOS 11 and turn on / off mic too: pic.twitter.com/CAU0td9tG5
>> - Alex Pettitt (@Alexpettitt) June 7, 2017 Presumably, you can then edit and 
>> share the screen recording just as can any other video stored on your iOS 
>> device. This is surely going to come in handy for many users. 
>> Since we are seeing the feature in an early beta, Apple can change how the 
>> feature looks and works. We will be sure to update this post with any 
>> changes up until iOS 11 is released to the public later this fall.
>> Apple confirmed to CNET this is indeed a feature of iOS 11. 
>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-use-ios-11-built-in-screen-recording-feat
>> ure/#ftag=CAD5457c2c
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Re: Terminal and Time Machine

[Angus MacKinnon]

Jonathan

I do not find Library/Mail anywhere. My Drafts Folder said it had two documents 
at 8:am and noww reports one document. I do all mail on my 2013 imac running OS 
10.11.6.
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Re: Download passed iTunes purchases all at once

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

You should not need to re-purchase them if they show up as purchased in your 
Library.  The family option I spoke of is not really a subscription thing, it 
is just a way to allow family members to have full access to your iTunes 
Library, there's no additional charge.  I'm guessing, though, that this isn't 
your problem.  You may wish to submit some iTunes feedback in the iTunes menu 
up beside the Apple.  They may be able to enlighten you as to why those items 
won't download considering that the rest of your previous purchases did.

Later...

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Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 12, 2017, at 12:43, Angus MacKinnon  wrote:

Tim

I do not subscribe to the family plan. All the other songs are recognized 
except for those two songs. Everything else is recognized. It seems like my 
only choice is to buy Bagrock to the Masses - 09 Medley Chilli Pipers - Rockin 
All Over The World and Blast Live - 06 Clocks although I have purchased them 
before.

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Re: Download passed iTunes purchases all at once

[Angus MacKinnon]

Tim

I do not subscribe to the family plan. All the other songs are recognized 
except for those two songs. Everything else is recognized. It seems like my 
only choice is to buy Bagrock to the Masses - 09 Medley Chilli Pipers - Rockin 
All Over The World and Blast Live - 06 Clocks although I have purchased them 
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Re: Duolingo app on iphone accessbility

[Anouk Radix]

Hi I have had a lot of trouble with this app as well. I can only get the app in 
Dutch because I live in the Netherlands and can only get it to give me lessons 
in English which I dont need. Apparently it  does also have Italian but I cant 
get that  to work at all…
Greetings, Anouk,
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> Hi,
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> I've tried and failed miserably to use duolingo app on my iphone to study 
> Spanish. I seem to remember vaguely that some people on the list have 
> mentioned this app.  How do you get on with it?  I don't seem to be able to 
> make it work.
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Re: Help Getting Safari Out of the Side Bar

[John Panarese]

  If you go back to Finder, you should still be on Safari in the sidebar. Press 
VO-shift-m and choose, remove from Sidebar, from the menu.


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> On Jun 12, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
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> A student of mine accidentantly put Safari on the side bar and when I go down 
> to remove it every time I land on Safari in the side bar it automatically 
> kicks me out of finder and launches me in to safari. Anyone know how to 
> remove safari from the side bar? I thought I could do so on the icon on the 
> dock but that was not an option. Thanks,
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Help Getting Safari Out of the Side Bar

[Brian Fischler]

A student of mine accidentantly put Safari on the side bar and when I go down 
to remove it every time I land on Safari in the side bar it automatically kicks 
me out of finder and launches me in to safari. Anyone know how to remove safari 
from the side bar? I thought I could do so on the icon on the dock but that was 
not an option. Thanks,

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Duolingo app on iphone accessbility

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

I've tried and failed miserably to use duolingo app on my iphone to study 
Spanish. I seem to remember vaguely that some people on the list have mentioned 
this app.  How do you get on with it?  I don't seem to be able to make it work.

Cheers

Andrew

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Re: Airplay and Apple TV

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Yes, sorry, my reference was to using iTunes on your Mac to stream.  Other apps 
would not be able to function in this manner.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 12, 2017, at 08:46, E.T.  wrote:

  Thanks. I will look at this after my shipping today. I probably should have 
said I want to stream from a site that has no app on the Apple TV 3rd. The Mac 
is upstairs, Apple TV is downstairs.

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On 6/12/2017 7:23 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Yes.  At least it does for me.  There used to be a setting in iTunes Prefs 
> that said something to the effect of "Allow Remote Control from Other Apps", 
> but I can't find it anymore.  Maybe it's just unnecessary now.  Anyway, I can 
> AirPlay to my Apple TV 2 or 4 and use their remote to change the song.  
> Although, most of the time I just play everything from the Apple TV as they 
> have the exact same iTunes Libraries anyway.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 12, 2017, at 08:13, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>  I've not used Airplay so am interested to try it. Can one control the 
> streaming content from the Mac on the ATV?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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Network and kernel tuning parameters for OSX Sierra

[Scott Granados]

The following are some sysctl values that can be set to improve network and 
system performance.  I have pulled these from various sites.  Apply these 
either individually using the sysctl command or apply them by creating a 
/etc/sysctl.conf file and add these to the file then reboot.  Here are the 
suggested settings.

kern.maxproc=2500
kern.maxprocperuid=2048
kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=4194304
kern.ipc.somaxconn=2048
kern.ipc.nmbclusters=32768
kern.maxfilesperproc=30
kern.maxfiles=30
net.inet.ip.portrange.first=1024
net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=1
net.inet.tcp.win_scale_factor=8
net.inet.tcp.sockthreshold=16
net.inet.tcp.sendspace=1042560
net.inet.tcp.recvspace=1042560
net.inet.tcp.mssdflt=14482
net.inet.tcp.v6mssdflt=1428
net.inet.tcp.msl=600
net.inet.tcp.always_keepalive=0
net.inet.tcp.delayed_ack=3
net.inet.tcp.slowstart_flightsize=20
net.inet.tcp.local_slowstart_flightsize=20
net.inet.tcp.blackhole=2
net.inet.udp.blackhole=1
net.inet.icmp.icmplim=50

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Re: Airplay and Apple TV

[E.T.]

   Thanks. I will look at this after my shipping today. I probably 
should have said I want to stream from a site that has no app on the 
Apple TV 3rd. The Mac is upstairs, Apple TV is downstairs.


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On 6/12/2017 7:23 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

Yes.  At least it does for me.  There used to be a setting in iTunes Prefs that said 
something to the effect of "Allow Remote Control from Other Apps", but I can't 
find it anymore.  Maybe it's just unnecessary now.  Anyway, I can AirPlay to my Apple TV 
2 or 4 and use their remote to change the song.  Although, most of the time I just play 
everything from the Apple TV as they have the exact same iTunes Libraries anyway.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 12, 2017, at 08:13, E.T.  wrote:

  I've not used Airplay so am interested to try it. Can one control the 
streaming content from the Mac on the ATV?

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Re: Airplay and Apple TV

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Yes.  At least it does for me.  There used to be a setting in iTunes Prefs that 
said something to the effect of "Allow Remote Control from Other Apps", but I 
can't find it anymore.  Maybe it's just unnecessary now.  Anyway, I can AirPlay 
to my Apple TV 2 or 4 and use their remote to change the song.  Although, most 
of the time I just play everything from the Apple TV as they have the exact 
same iTunes Libraries anyway.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 12, 2017, at 08:13, E.T.  wrote:

  I've not used Airplay so am interested to try it. Can one control the 
streaming content from the Mac on the ATV?

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Re: Airplay and Apple TV

[Scott Granados]

If you want to control you connect to your computer and stream from the 
computer. IF you use airplay you control from the device and stream to the 
target.

Thanks

> On Jun 12, 2017, at 10:13 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   I've not used Airplay so am interested to try it. Can one control the 
> streaming content from the Mac on the ATV?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
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Airplay and Apple TV

[E.T.]

   I've not used Airplay so am interested to try it. Can one control 
the streaming content from the Mac on the ATV?


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Re: Blume Wifi

[Scott Granados]

Chris, your limiter is probably your TCP receive window size depending on the 
OS you’re running.  You should tweak your TCP stack to allow for larger TCP 
windows (more segments).  As latency increases (data is further away) the 
through put decreases if the window size stays constant.  Tuning the window 
sizes higher may give you 3 to 10 times the throughput on more distant sites.  
BY distant I mean higher RTT (round trip time) between you and the service.  
The Mac Sierra stock install allows for the window to scale to 3 times the 
normal 64K value.  You want this to be more like 8 times the value, can be set 
under sysctl.  The reason Apple fills up your pipes is they connect you to the 
closest resource CDN style and likely that is provided over direct peering to 
one of their near by data centers.  You probably only have a few milliseconds 
of RTT between you and the serving web farm.  If you connect to say something 
served out of California only and you’re on the east coast that RTT may be 80 
milliseconds which means an unadjusted window will max out at about 6 megabits 
per second even though you have about 125 megabytes of throughput available.  
Does that make sense?  Let me know if you need more detail.
 
> On Jun 11, 2017, at 10:23 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have Gb internet at work and the only thing I've found that will fill the 
> pipe is Apple updates. I think it's peaked at 112MB/s download getting an 
> iOS update. Everything else seems to have bottlenecks elsewhere the cap the 
> throughput.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 6/11/17 9:53 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> It’s hard to fill up a gigabit.  I use all sorts of parallel stuff 
>> streaming, gaming, phones, and so forth so the extra headroom just helps 
>> everything work smoothly.  I could probably get away with far less.
>> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2017, at 5:21 AM, Simon Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>>  
>>> I’m meant to have gigabit internet for my home but it’s a joke here in nz,
>>> I’m lucky if I get half a gigabit for a download.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> As for wifi I’m currently using a fritzbox as my router modem,
>>> I’d love to have faster internet / wifi but hey lifes a bitch and we’re 
>>> getting screwed by providers in nz.
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>  ] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Sunday, 11 June 2017 8:03 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: Blume Wifi
>>>  
>>> Hey Scot,
>>>  
>>> Yeah, it's pretty cool.  We have the gigabyte option here, too, but we 
>>> didn't get it for our rental house.  We're thinking about it for our 
>>> permanent home, which we'll be moving into in July.  Good to know the 
>>> limits of the Airport.  I was wondering what its cut-off point was.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>  
>>> On Jun 10, 2017, at 1:14 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Ah I love being on a fiber network.  They just rolled out full gigabit 
>>> where I live and I upgraded while cutting my bill in half.  I have so much 
>>> on WiFi now that I really do need a distributed system.  Your airport is 
>>> good up to about 200 megabits.  If your service will be faster than that 
>>> it’s time to update.
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On Jun 10, 2017, at 9:34 AM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Thanks for sharing this, Scott.  Now that I have the option of a fast fiber 
>>> connection, I've been wondering if it's time to replace our airport 
>>> extreme.  this sounds like an interesting option.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>  
>>> On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:01 AM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi Simon,
>>>  
>>> The way it seems to work is you connect via 1 or 2 gigabit ports to your 
>>> network.  Either by placing the 
>>>   master unit in router mode and having it handle the whole 
>>> internet connection or in bridge mode where it provides the access point 
>>> function but you provide your own routing hardware.  (This will be my 
>>> config). Once connected you start an app on your phone (iPhone in my case 
>>> but both platforms are supported) and you configure the first plume device. 
>>>  Then you power up and add each new device to the mesh.  You don’t run 
>>> physical wires to anything but the controller or master access point.  The 
>>> rest use backhaul channels to build the mesh.  Once you’ve added all the 
>>> access points you want, you get a box of 6 for $320 US, they connect to a 
>>> cloud application where the mesh starts to optimize itself.  The meshes can 
>>> either direct connect 

Re: Blume Wifi

[Scott Granados]

That’s exactly right, they dynamically build the mesh similar to how OSPF 
neighbors form adjacencies if you’re familiar with that.  You don’t have to run 
ethernet to each, they mesh over back channels wirelessly.

> On Jun 12, 2017, at 2:20 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> As in plugging them in to mains power and they then pick up the wifi network 
> from the base unit or closest blume pod
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  ] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Monday, 12 June 2017 1:52 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Blume Wifi
>  
> You power them by plugging them in. They are small pods that just sit around 
> the property.  You can mesh as many as you want together they come in boxes 
> of 1 3 and 6 I believe.
>  
> On Jun 11, 2017, at 4:48 AM, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
> Yeah that I understand but the actual quality of it once it’s up and working 
> is what I’m looking for.
>  
> The mesh networking idea as you say has been around for a while but putting 
> it in the home will make life easy for full coverage.
>  
> But I was wondering how you power the repeaters or units around the house,
> Does each one need to be plugged in to a power socket?
>  
> I’m kind of wondering if this might be a problem solver for my place and my 
> neighbours to allow us to share an internet connection therefore me make some 
> extra cash each month.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  ] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Sunday, 11 June 2017 12:02 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Blume Wifi
>  
> Hi Simon,
>  
> The way it seems to work is you connect via 1 or 2 gigabit ports to your 
> network.  Either by placing the master unit in router mode and having it 
> handle the whole internet connection or in bridge mode where it provides the 
> access point function but you provide your own routing hardware.  (This will 
> be my config). Once connected you start an app on your phone (iPhone in my 
> case but both platforms are supported) and you configure the first plume 
> device.  Then you power up and add each new device to the mesh.  You don’t 
> run physical wires to anything but the controller or master access point.  
> The rest use backhaul channels to build the mesh.  Once you’ve added all the 
> access points you want, you get a box of 6 for $320 US, they connect to a 
> cloud application where the mesh starts to optimize itself.  The meshes can 
> either direct connect back to the control access point and or hop from one to 
> another if that’s more optimal.  The cloud software and access points will 
> steer the clients to the best frequency and access point based on it’s 
> location with in the mesh.  IF 2.4 ghz suddenly becomes more speedy you’ll 
> drop to 2.4 and then be steered back up to 5 ghz if that returns to normal.  
> Also uses tactics to isolate you from your neighbors and so forth.  Cool 
> stuff.  Google is also working in this space as is Netgear and Niro.  Plume 
> seems to rate the highest and perform the best in testing from the reviews 
> I’ve read though.
>  
> Cool stuff.  Mesh WiFi was usually the stuff of big enterprises, nice to have 
> it in the home now.
>  
> On Jun 10, 2017, at 2:34 AM, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
> Hi Scott,
>  
> When You test drive these blume wifi devices I’m interested to know how they 
> go
>  
> They sound bloody interesting 
>  
> I’m wondering though how you get them connected to your network.
>  
> Cheers,
>  
>  
> Simon f
>  
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RE: Blume Wifi

[Simon Fogarty]

As in plugging them in to mains power and they then pick up the wifi network 
from the base unit or closest blume pod

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Monday, 12 June 2017 1:52 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blume Wifi

You power them by plugging them in. They are small pods that just sit around 
the property.  You can mesh as many as you want together they come in boxes of 
1 3 and 6 I believe.

On Jun 11, 2017, at 4:48 AM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Yeah that I understand but the actual quality of it once it’s up and working is 
what I’m looking for.

The mesh networking idea as you say has been around for a while but putting it 
in the home will make life easy for full coverage.

But I was wondering how you power the repeaters or units around the house,
Does each one need to be plugged in to a power socket?

I’m kind of wondering if this might be a problem solver for my place and my 
neighbours to allow us to share an internet connection therefore me make some 
extra cash each month.


From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Sunday, 11 June 2017 12:02 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blume Wifi

Hi Simon,

The way it seems to work is you connect via 1 or 2 gigabit ports to your 
network.  Either by placing the master unit in router mode and having it handle 
the whole internet connection or in bridge mode where it provides the access 
point function but you provide your own routing hardware.  (This will be my 
config). Once connected you start an app on your phone (iPhone in my case but 
both platforms are supported) and you configure the first plume device.  Then 
you power up and add each new device to the mesh.  You don’t run physical wires 
to anything but the controller or master access point.  The rest use backhaul 
channels to build the mesh.  Once you’ve added all the access points you want, 
you get a box of 6 for $320 US, they connect to a cloud application where the 
mesh starts to optimize itself.  The meshes can either direct connect back to 
the control access point and or hop from one to another if that’s more optimal. 
 The cloud software and access points will steer the clients to the best 
frequency and access point based on it’s location with in the mesh.  IF 2.4 ghz 
suddenly becomes more speedy you’ll drop to 2.4 and then be steered back up to 
5 ghz if that returns to normal.  Also uses tactics to isolate you from your 
neighbors and so forth.  Cool stuff.  Google is also working in this space as 
is Netgear and Niro.  Plume seems to rate the highest and perform the best in 
testing from the reviews I’ve read though.

Cool stuff.  Mesh WiFi was usually the stuff of big enterprises, nice to have 
it in the home now.

On Jun 10, 2017, at 2:34 AM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Hi Scott,

When You test drive these blume wifi devices I’m interested to know how they go

They sound bloody interesting

I’m wondering though how you get them connected to your network.

Cheers,


Simon f


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RE: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[Simon Fogarty]

This was a fresh installation from a wiped SSD approx. 3  weeks ago.
I run the update from 10.12.4 to 10.12.5 last week so to my knowledge file volt 
is as up to date as it can get.



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Monday, 12 June 2017 5:45 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

Simon,

Either you have the older version of File Vault enabled or else they eliminated 
functionality in some systems. I just tried your instructions, and the vo keys 
with arrows shift arrows and control arrows say nothing when on the initial 
boot screen. This is true on both my MacBook Air (11-inch, Early 2015) and my  
MacBook Pro 2015 bought in June 2016.

of course there is the slight possibility that since I changed my default login 
screen to have text entry for the user name that the firmware based user name / 
password fields are behaving the same. The firmware login has three phrases it 
will speak, username, password, and user name or password incorrect.

.
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On Jun 11, 2017, at 5:00 AM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Umm,

John, this is not true,

I do this everytime I log in to my mac book air,
I have file volt running and at the log in screen I start up vo with cmd f5 and 
then vo shift down arrow which opens the users list I select my name and then 
vo space bar and enter the password,

And I’ve done this for the last 3 versions of the osx

So if it’s not working for you guys I don’t know what is different.

the

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese
Sent: Sunday, 11 June 2017 2:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

   This is absolutely correct. You cannot navigate in the login window for 
FileVault. It doesn't matter how many users have accounts on the system, you 
simply type your user name at the prompt and then your password. You cannot 
choose the user as you can do with the normal login window. FileVault's login 
window is prompted before the system disk even is accessed. It is a special 
login window entirely. So, there is no automatic login for any account and the 
option to have VoiceOver speak in the login window is not available for 
FileVault login.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT



On Jun 10, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn 
> wrote:

Hello,

This login is a very limited system screen and though it sounds similar to 
VoiceOver it is not VoiceOVer It will say user name until you enter a legit 
user name something like "john" or "joncohn" and hit enter once your user name 
has been accepted it will say password. If you enter the correct password then 
in a few seconds you will have all the normal functionality available or else 
it will say username or password incorrect.

My experience has been I have to type in all the characters of my username I 
have never found a way to do this with arrow keys and certainly the VO style 
keys I have found to do nothing.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:14 AM, Nickus de Vos 
> wrote:

My sighted help could only access the password field when VO was switched off, 
but if I switch vo again, not even the sighted person can navigate to the 
username or password field.

Sent from my iPhone



On 10 Jun 2017, at 13:07, Terje Strømberg 
> wrote:

Did your sighted friend see the password field?

Take care




9. jun. 2017 kl. 21.54 skrev Nickus de Vos 
>:

I did switch on voice-over, I even tried and to switch on and off a couple of 
times. I'll try again maybe I missed something.
Thanks

Sent from my iPhone



On 09 Jun 2017, at 21:41, Donna Goodin 
> wrote:

Hi all,

I haven't used FileVault, but have been thinking about doing it for a while 
now.  So I have a question about John's post.  Do you choose a username, or is 
it assigned?  If assigned, what do you have to enter, the entire file path or 
just the name of that folder?
TIA,
Donna


On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Tim Kilburn 
> wrote:

hi,

Further to John's note, usually, VO is not active, nor available, at the 
initial login 

RE: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[Simon Fogarty]

>From power on and also restarts.

Yes it’s not a full VO but a vo similar to that from say tiger 10.4.x


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Monday, 12 June 2017 3:21 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

Simon,

Are you doing this from complete shutdown or restart?  With File Vault enabled, 
the initial login screen after restart or shutdown is pre-system load-up, thus 
VO is not usually available.  After you've got past this screen, then can be a 
second login which is totally available.  Now, I'm running an older MBP, so 
it's possible that things act differently in newer Mac models, but I'm not 
certain.  It seems problematic though if VO was available at the initial Login 
screen as that would mean that unrestricted access to much of the file system 
would be gained before the password was required.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 11, 2017, at 03:00, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Umm,

John, this is not true,

I do this everytime I log in to my mac book air,
I have file volt running and at the log in screen I start up vo with cmd f5 and 
then vo shift down arrow which opens the users list I select my name and then 
vo space bar and enter the password,

And I’ve done this for the last 3 versions of the osx

So if it’s not working for you guys I don’t know what is different.

the

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese
Sent: Sunday, 11 June 2017 2:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

   This is absolutely correct. You cannot navigate in the login window for 
FileVault. It doesn't matter how many users have accounts on the system, you 
simply type your user name at the prompt and then your password. You cannot 
choose the user as you can do with the normal login window. FileVault's login 
window is prompted before the system disk even is accessed. It is a special 
login window entirely. So, there is no automatic login for any account and the 
option to have VoiceOver speak in the login window is not available for 
FileVault login.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT



On Jun 10, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn 
> wrote:

Hello,

This login is a very limited system screen and though it sounds similar to 
VoiceOver it is not VoiceOVer It will say user name until you enter a legit 
user name something like "john" or "joncohn" and hit enter once your user name 
has been accepted it will say password. If you enter the correct password then 
in a few seconds you will have all the normal functionality available or else 
it will say username or password incorrect.

My experience has been I have to type in all the characters of my username I 
have never found a way to do this with arrow keys and certainly the VO style 
keys I have found to do nothing.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:14 AM, Nickus de Vos 
> wrote:

My sighted help could only access the password field when VO was switched off, 
but if I switch vo again, not even the sighted person can navigate to the 
username or password field.

Sent from my iPhone



On 10 Jun 2017, at 13:07, Terje Strømberg 
> wrote:

Did your sighted friend see the password field?

Take care




9. jun. 2017 kl. 21.54 skrev Nickus de Vos 
>:

I did switch on voice-over, I even tried and to switch on and off a couple of 
times. I'll try again maybe I missed something.
Thanks

Sent from my iPhone



On 09 Jun 2017, at 21:41, Donna Goodin 
> wrote:

Hi all,

I haven't used FileVault, but have been thinking about doing it for a while 
now.  So I have a question about John's post.  Do you choose a username, or is 
it assigned?  If assigned, what do you have to enter, the entire file path or 
just the name of that folder?
TIA,
Donna


On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Tim Kilburn 
> wrote:

hi,

Further to John's note, usually, VO is not active, nor available, at the 
initial login screen when File Vault is enabled.  You can press cmd-f5 to try 
to turn on VO, you should get a single tone, at this point, as John mentioned, 
just type your 

RE: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[Simon Fogarty]

I'm just wondering if the person that had this issue at the start can advise if 
they get the start up tones from their Mac when they power it on?

 I found at work today that a machine had been muted or at least the start up 
tones had been muted and therefore VO wouldn't start up at the log in screen, 
yet after restarting the start up tones vo worked fine at start up.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Monday, 12 June 2017 1:51 AM
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

Hi.

I have been catching up with all my e-mails today so come late to this thread.

I have been using File Volt for a long time and after getting voice over to 
come on in the login screen in preferences, it did not work when I shut down 
and restarted the computer.  It makes a bleep for you to enter your user name 
and once you press return, another bleep for you to enter your password.

Kawal.
> On 11 Jun 2017, at 10:00, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Umm,
>  
> John, this is not true,
>  
> I do this everytime I log in to my mac book air, I have file volt 
> running and at the log in screen I start up vo with cmd f5 and then vo 
> shift down arrow which opens the users list I select my name and then 
> vo space bar and enter the password,
>  
> And I’ve done this for the last 3 versions of the osx
>  
> So if it’s not working for you guys I don’t know what is different.
>  
> the
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese
> Sent: Sunday, 11 June 2017 2:57 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled
>  
>This is absolutely correct. You cannot navigate in the login window for 
> FileVault. It doesn't matter how many users have accounts on the system, you 
> simply type your user name at the prompt and then your password. You cannot 
> choose the user as you can do with the normal login window. FileVault's login 
> window is prompted before the system disk even is accessed. It is a special 
> login window entirely. So, there is no automatic login for any account and 
> the option to have VoiceOver speak in the login window is not available for 
> FileVault login.
>  
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
>  
> On Jun 10, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>  
> Hello,
>  
> This login is a very limited system screen and though it sounds similar to 
> VoiceOver it is not VoiceOVer It will say user name until you enter a legit 
> user name something like "john" or "joncohn" and hit enter once your user 
> name has been accepted it will say password. If you enter the correct 
> password then in a few seconds you will have all the normal functionality 
> available or else it will say username or password incorrect. 
>  
> My experience has been I have to type in all the characters of my username I 
> have never found a way to do this with arrow keys and certainly the VO style 
> keys I have found to do nothing.
>  
>  
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
>  
> On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:14 AM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
>  
> My sighted help could only access the password field when VO was switched 
> off, but if I switch vo again, not even the sighted person can navigate to 
> the username or password field.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On 10 Jun 2017, at 13:07, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
> 
> Did your sighted friend see the password field? 
> 
> Take care
> 
> 
> 
> 9. jun. 2017 kl. 21.54 skrev Nickus de Vos :
> 
> I did switch on voice-over, I even tried and to switch on and off a couple of 
> times. I'll try again maybe I missed something.
> Thanks
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On 09 Jun 2017, at 21:41, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I haven't used FileVault, but have been thinking about doing it for a while 
> now. So I have a question about John's post. Do you choose a username, or is 
> it assigned? If assigned, what do you have to enter, the entire file path or 
> just the name of that folder?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> Further to John's note, usually, VO is not active, nor available, at the 
> initial login screen when File Vault is enabled. You can press cmd-f5 to try 
> to turn on VO, you should get a single tone, at this point, as John 
> mentioned, just type your username and press return. If it accepts your 
>