Re: Removing an App

[Agent086b]

App Delete can’t see it.
Max.
> On 20 Jun 2017, at 8:32 am, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   If you have either Clean My Mac or App Delete you might be able to clear 
> this one out.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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> On 6/19/2017 3:14 PM, Agent086b wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> in system preferences I have an App called Printopia. I am unable to find a 
>> way to remove it from system preferences. It is not in the Apps folder. 
>> Interesting when I log in from my admin account I can not see the App. Can 
>> anybody help me remove this App?
>> Thanks as always for any help.
>> Max.
>> 
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Re: Removing an App

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

1.  Go to System Preferences.
2.  Navigate to the preference you'd like to remove.
3.  Press VO-cmd-f5 to make sure the mouse is routed to the VO Cursor.
4.  Hold down your ctrl key and click the physical mouse or trackpad.

This should bring up the Contextual menu and "Remove Preference Pane" is one of 
the options.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 19, 2017, at 16:32, E.T.  wrote:

  If you have either Clean My Mac or App Delete you might be able to clear this 
one out.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/19/2017 3:14 PM, Agent086b wrote:
> Hi all,
> in system preferences I have an App called Printopia. I am unable to find a 
> way to remove it from system preferences. It is not in the Apps folder. 
> Interesting when I log in from my admin account I can not see the App. Can 
> anybody help me remove this App?
> Thanks as always for any help.
> Max.
> 

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Re: Removing an App

[E.T.]

   If you have either Clean My Mac or App Delete you might be able to 
clear this one out.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/19/2017 3:14 PM, Agent086b wrote:

Hi all,
in system preferences I have an App called Printopia. I am unable to find a way 
to remove it from system preferences. It is not in the Apps folder. Interesting 
when I log in from my admin account I can not see the App. Can anybody help me 
remove this App?
Thanks as always for any help.
Max.



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Re: iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location - CNET

[Michael Marshall]

What is really confusing is the different dates I am getting for the public 
release of the first beta.
i got late june, early, mid and late july?
does anyone know the correct date?
i'm guessing july at some point.
> On 20 Jun 2017, at 6:27 am, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> 
> While choice and lots of settings sounds great in theory–it falls down in 
> practice. Only power-users, which is a small-subset of the user-base know 
> about these settings and even a smaller set of users that configure them. 
> It’s an engineer approach to stuff in lots of settings, but great UX Design 
> will have excellent defaults that are user focused.
> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 7:42 AM Scott Granados  > wrote:
> I agree, more choice is a good thing.  Don’t let Uber or anyone else make 
> this choice for me.  As long as there’s a knob I can control my self I’m for 
> it.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I agree regarding the validity.  The benefit to this feature though is the 
>> choice from the user prospective.  If the user would rather not these apps 
>> do this sort of thing, they can disable it.  Improves on security and a 
>> user's ability to configure to their own preferences.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 17, 2017, at 22:29, Kevin Chao > > wrote:
>> 
>> There’s validity in apps like FourSquare, Yelp, etc. using location services 
>> in background. E.g. It’s able to provide proactive recommendations via 
>> notifications based on where I am/near without having to open the app. Same 
>> goes for being able to have Uber/Lyft know where I am and arrive faster–it’s 
>> a trade-off between usability and privacy.
>> On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 3:54 PM Mike Arrigo > > wrote:
>> Yes, this is a good thing. If you are not using an app, there is absolutely 
>> no reason for it to be tracking your location, it serves no purpose and 
>> probably drains the battery faster.
>> > On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:36 PM, Mary Otten > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Wonderful. Hopefully they won't introduce new nasty bugs, because this 
>> > feature would really be welcome.
>> > Mary
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:30 PM, M. Taylor > >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location -
>> >> CNET
>> >> When iOS 11 is available later this year, users will have the option to
>> >> customize how each app uses his or her location - regardless of the 
>> >> options
>> >> a developer provides.
>> >> Prior to iOS 11, users could only use one of the location access options
>> >> provided by developers. That meant, for an app like Uber, you were limited
>> >> to two options. If a developer didn't want to include the option for use
>> >> only while you are using the app, you were stuck with Never or Always.
>> >> iOS 11 now offers both privacy options for any app requesting your 
>> >> location.
>> >> Huge win over apps like Uber "needing" it all the time.
>> >> pic.twitter.com/mZke8InSVD 
>> >> - Lance Somoza (@SyrinxStarman) June 6, 2017
>> >> As the above screenshot shows, iOS 11 users are finally given full control
>> >> over when an app can access location data. Naturally, most users will only
>> >> want that to be when he or she is, you know, actually using the app.
>> >> To control each individual app, users will need to go to Settings > 
>> >> Privacy
>> >>> Location Services to adjust individual app settings or as shown in the
>> >> screenshot, iOS 11 will prompt users.
>> >> As is always the case with Apple betas, the company sometimes removes or
>> >> changes features before final release. We will update this post as the 
>> >> beta
>> >> process progresses.
>> >> Apple confirmed to CNET that this is indeed a feature of iOS 11.
>> >> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-stop-apps-from-constantly-tracking-your-l
>> >>  
>> >> 
>> >> ocation-in-ios-11/#ftag=CAD5457c2c
>> >>
>> >>
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Fwd: Time Machine Backups

[Jonathan Cohn]

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Tim Kilburn 
> Subject: Re: Time Machine Backups
> Date: May 8, 2017 at 6:10:19 PM EDT
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've pasted in my instructions I sent out last Fall.  Hopefully, they're 
> useful to you.
> 
> **
> 
> 1.  Up to the Extras menu and choose Time Machine.
> 2.  Select Enter Time Machine.
> 
> This will automatically bring you to the newest Time Machine backup.  To 
> access older ones...
> 
> 3.  Use the Window Chooser (VO-f2-f2) and choose Time Machine Controls.
> 
> There will be a Vertical Slider in this Controls window where you can go 
> through the backups you have, or you can press the Previous button to go back 
> through them.  When you have the date and time of the backup you wish to 
> remove, or use in some other fashion, use the Window Chooser to get back to 
> the other window once again.  If you wish to remove the entire backup for 
> that timeline...
> 
> 4.  Go to the Sidebar, under Devices and choose your computer.
> 5.  Interact with the Scroll area and select your HD.
> 6.  Up to the Toolbar, under the Actions menu and choose Delete this Backup.
> 
> *
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On May 7, 2017, at 10:31, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>  Its been too long since I did this and have not done it under Sierra. Once I 
> enter TM and find its controls, how do I select a date and delete the backups 
> up to that date? I used the slider but cannot recall what the next step is. 
> Thanks.
> 
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Removing an App

[Agent086b]

Hi all,
in system preferences I have an App called Printopia. I am unable to find a way 
to remove it from system preferences. It is not in the Apps folder. Interesting 
when I log in from my admin account I can not see the App. Can anybody help me 
remove this App?
Thanks as always for any help.
Max.

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Re: new features of iPhone next gen

[Agent086b]

Hi,
I think I read somewhere that facial recognition may not be as secure as we 
might like. If you show the phone a picture of the owners face that will unlock 
the phone. I am not sure where I read this, could have been Security Now. 
Max.

> On 19 Jun 2017, at 7:17 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
>  
> I thought I’d ask this question and see what people think,
>  
> I was looking at the new Samsung Galaxy S8 today and must admit it’s a bloody 
> nicely designed device,
> However it’s an android device so it will be a very big second choice if I’m 
> to get a new phone.
>  
> A couple of things I did note from it was a couple of security features,
>  
> Facial scanning recognition for unlocking your phone and also iris scanning 
> recognition for also security like unlocking your phone etc,
>  
> Now what I want to know is,
> Will iris scanning work for a blind person?
>  
> This feature on the S8 has a depth related scanning so it can’t seemingly be 
> fooled with a photo,
> And in my case I still have my own eyes although they don’t work one is white 
> with I forget what,
> But I wonder will this work for those of us with eyeballs?
>  
> And more to the point will apple even look at these types of security 
> features in the next version of the iPhone?
>  
> Discuss!
>  
> Simon F
>  
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Re: Keynote with VoiceOver

[Andrew Lamanche]

Dear Anne,

Thank you and thank you again.  What would I have done without you all.  So 
generous.  Now I can approach Keynote with more confidence.  You have saved me 
from sleepless nights.

Best wishes

Andrew
> On 19 Jun 2017, at 14:52, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Andrew,
> 
> The same principles apply in Keynote as in the other iWork applications. Make 
> sure that Navigator is checked in the View menu so that you can see quickly 
> how many slides are in the document.
> Interact with the navigator and go to first item (VO-Home) to get to slide 1.
> Press VO-j to get into the slide.
> Go to first item again to make sure you’re at the beginning of the slide and 
> use VO-Right Arrow to navigate through the items on the slide.
> On my computer, Cmd-Ctrl-Right Arrow takes me to the next slide, but I can’t 
> remember whether this is a standard shortcut or one I created at some point. 
> In any case, you can find the shortcut in the Slide menu under Go to.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 19 Jun 2017, at 13:36, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> For the first time ever I am in the position of having to use Keynote to 
>> read power point presentation which a colleague of mine has chosen as an 
>> absolute preference.  Needless to say, I'm nervous.  I wanted to ask for any 
>> tips of how best to proceed with Keynote as regards using it with VoiceOver. 
>>  I have no sight at all so have to use speech and refreshable Braille only.
>> 
>> Many thanks in advance for any suggestions.
>> 
>> Andrew
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Re: Keynote with VoiceOver

[Andrew Lamanche]

Tim,

Thank you so much.  I will create the shortcut combination.  Thanks for your 
support.

Andrew
> On 19 Jun 2017, at 16:14, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Anne and Andrew,
> 
> I believe that the keyboard shortcut that Anne mentioned is one that was user 
> created.  If I recall correctly, my keyboard shortcut is cmd-option-cmd-right 
> or left.  Creating this shortcut will greatly improve your ease of navigation 
> within Keynote slides.  You can create these sorts of shortcuts in the 
> Keyboard pane of System Prefs.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 19, 2017, at 07:52, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Andrew,
> 
> The same principles apply in Keynote as in the other iWork applications. Make 
> sure that Navigator is checked in the View menu so that you can see quickly 
> how many slides are in the document.
> Interact with the navigator and go to first item (VO-Home) to get to slide 1.
> Press VO-j to get into the slide.
> Go to first item again to make sure you’re at the beginning of the slide and 
> use VO-Right Arrow to navigate through the items on the slide.
> On my computer, Cmd-Ctrl-Right Arrow takes me to the next slide, but I can’t 
> remember whether this is a standard shortcut or one I created at some point. 
> In any case, you can find the shortcut in the Slide menu under Go to.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 19 Jun 2017, at 13:36, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> For the first time ever I am in the position of having to use Keynote to 
>> read power point presentation which a colleague of mine has chosen as an 
>> absolute preference.  Needless to say, I'm nervous.  I wanted to ask for any 
>> tips of how best to proceed with Keynote as regards using it with VoiceOver. 
>>  I have no sight at all so have to use speech and refreshable Braille only.
>> 
>> Many thanks in advance for any suggestions.
>> 
>> Andrew
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RE: new features of iPhone next gen

[gary-melconian]

Actually this wrworks really well on android with android 7.1.2 it actually 
tell how far you are awa y as faras your face goes, how many ffaces and so on 
and os that you can takea picture if you really want being blind on android. I 
don’t know about I os but I know hat this can be done oon android version 7.1. 
and beyond.  

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On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:14 PM
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: new features of iPhone next gen

I try th take a picture using my I phone and voice over says nothing about my 
face being in the frame.  So how does one do that if one points the phone at 
one's face as it's never worked for me.
> On 19 Jun 2017, at 20:52, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kawal, Voice Over already has aiming and focusing tips in the camera app 
> that use face detection.  Tells you for example “a face near the center of 
> the photo”.
> 
> The good thing about face detection and recognition is you need be much less 
> precise than with iris scanning.  With an iris or retina scan you have to 
> look at a dot and focus on it while not moving.  With facial recognition you 
> just need to be in the frame.  The better software out there can identify you 
> even at an off angle.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 3:47 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott and others.
>> 
>> How the hell is a blind person to use a phone if one has to use face 
>> recognition?  I for one have no sight, have never seen and can't even hold a 
>> phone steady or in the right position for a picture to do its work.  I've 
>> even tried Tap tap C to aim the phone at something and it aims at the wrong 
>> thing.  So you know what I'm getting at.  May be Apple will do something 
>> with Voice Over to make face recognition do something for a blind person.  
>> They normally work round these kinds of things but if they can't this time 
>> then that will be a first hey!
>>> On 19 Jun 2017, at 15:53, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Simon,
>>> 
>>> The new iPhone is projected to have some sort of facial recognition. 
>>> The retinal scanning it’s been my experience does not work for a blind 
>>> person.  I have tried to use this in data centers instead of palm prints or 
>>> facial recognition and the systems require the user to focus on a point.  
>>> If you can’t see and focus on the point you’re a no go.  Your mileage may 
>>> vary as I do not have retinas and irises to scan.  It’s more than just 
>>> pointing your eyeball at a screen though if that helps.
>>> 
>>> As for the S8 in general, you do not want th is phone it’s largely garbage. 
>>>  The finger print reader is right next to the camera so you smudge your 
>>> camera continuously, the phone has had issues with crashing, it’s under 
>>> powered using the Snap Dragon processors, and there’s a really bad 
>>> implementation of the virtual home button.  There are some interesting 
>>> cellular features but over all the phone is a miss in my opinion.  If you 
>>> want to go android and try it out go Pixel or Pixel xl, specifically wait 
>>> for fall and this years new releases of the Google Pixel line.
>>> 
>>> Hope that helps.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 19, 2017, at 5:17 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Hi List,
 
 I thought I’d ask this question and see what people think,
 
 I was looking at the new Samsung Galaxy S8 today and must admit 
 it’s a bloody nicely designed device, However it’s an android device so it 
 will be a very big second choice if I’m to get a new phone.
 
 A couple of things I did note from it was a couple of security 
 features,
 
 Facial scanning recognition for unlocking your phone and also iris 
 scanning recognition for also security like unlocking your phone 
 etc,
 
 Now what I want to know is,
 Will iris scanning work for a blind person?
 
 This feature on the S8 has a depth related scanning so it can’t 
 seemingly be fooled with a photo, And in my case I still have my 
 own eyes although they don’t work one is white with I forget what, But I 
 wonder will this work for those of us with eyeballs?
 
 And more to the point will apple even look at these types of security 
 features in the next version of the iPhone?
 
 Discuss!
 
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Re: iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location - CNET

[Kevin Chao]

While choice and lots of settings sounds great in theory–it falls down in
practice. Only power-users, which is a small-subset of the user-base know
about these settings and even a smaller set of users that configure them.
It’s an engineer approach to stuff in lots of settings, but great UX Design
will have excellent defaults that are user focused.
On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 7:42 AM Scott Granados 
wrote:

> I agree, more choice is a good thing.  Don’t let Uber or anyone else make
> this choice for me.  As long as there’s a knob I can control my self I’m
> for it.
>
>
> On Jun 19, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I agree regarding the validity.  The benefit to this feature though is the
> choice from the user prospective.  If the user would rather not these apps
> do this sort of thing, they can disable it.  Improves on security and a
> user's ability to configure to their own preferences.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Jun 17, 2017, at 22:29, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>
> There’s validity in apps like FourSquare, Yelp, etc. using location
> services in background. E.g. It’s able to provide proactive recommendations
> via notifications based on where I am/near without having to open the app.
> Same goes for being able to have Uber/Lyft know where I am and arrive
> faster–it’s a trade-off between usability and privacy.
> On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 3:54 PM Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>
>> Yes, this is a good thing. If you are not using an app, there is
>> absolutely no reason for it to be tracking your location, it serves no
>> purpose and probably drains the battery faster.
>> > On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:36 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> >
>> > Wonderful. Hopefully they won't introduce new nasty bugs, because this
>> feature would really be welcome.
>> > Mary
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:30 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location
>> -
>> >> CNET
>> >> When iOS 11 is available later this year, users will have the option to
>> >> customize how each app uses his or her location - regardless of the
>> options
>> >> a developer provides.
>> >> Prior to iOS 11, users could only use one of the location access
>> options
>> >> provided by developers. That meant, for an app like Uber, you were
>> limited
>> >> to two options. If a developer didn't want to include the option for
>> use
>> >> only while you are using the app, you were stuck with Never or Always.
>> >> iOS 11 now offers both privacy options for any app requesting your
>> location.
>> >> Huge win over apps like Uber "needing" it all the time.
>> >> pic.twitter.com/mZke8InSVD
>> >> - Lance Somoza (@SyrinxStarman) June 6, 2017
>> >> As the above screenshot shows, iOS 11 users are finally given full
>> control
>> >> over when an app can access location data. Naturally, most users will
>> only
>> >> want that to be when he or she is, you know, actually using the app.
>> >> To control each individual app, users will need to go to Settings >
>> Privacy
>> >>> Location Services to adjust individual app settings or as shown in the
>> >> screenshot, iOS 11 will prompt users.
>> >> As is always the case with Apple betas, the company sometimes removes
>> or
>> >> changes features before final release. We will update this post as the
>> beta
>> >> process progresses.
>> >> Apple confirmed to CNET that this is indeed a feature of iOS 11.
>> >>
>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-stop-apps-from-constantly-tracking-your-l
>> >> ocation-in-ios-11/#ftag=CAD5457c2c
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Re: new features of iPhone next gen

[Scott Granados]

I believe you put the cursor on the view finder and it speaks feedback.  When I 
leave work I’ll do a test run and be more specific.

> On Jun 19, 2017, at 4:13 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I try th take a picture using my I phone and voice over says nothing about my 
> face being in the frame.  So how does one do that if one points the phone at 
> one's face as it's never worked for me.
>> On 19 Jun 2017, at 20:52, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kawal, Voice Over already has aiming and focusing tips in the camera app 
>> that use face detection.  Tells you for example “a face near the center of 
>> the photo”.
>> 
>> The good thing about face detection and recognition is you need be much less 
>> precise than with iris scanning.  With an iris or retina scan you have to 
>> look at a dot and focus on it while not moving.  With facial recognition you 
>> just need to be in the frame.  The better software out there can identify 
>> you even at an off angle.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 3:47 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott and others.
>>> 
>>> How the hell is a blind person to use a phone if one has to use face 
>>> recognition?  I for one have no sight, have never seen and can't even hold 
>>> a phone steady or in the right position for a picture to do its work.  I've 
>>> even tried Tap tap C to aim the phone at something and it aims at the wrong 
>>> thing.  So you know what I'm getting at.  May be Apple will do something 
>>> with Voice Over to make face recognition do something for a blind person.  
>>> They normally work round these kinds of things but if they can't this time 
>>> then that will be a first hey!
 On 19 Jun 2017, at 15:53, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 Hi Simon,
 
 The new iPhone is projected to have some sort of facial recognition. 
The retinal scanning it’s been my experience does not work for a blind 
 person.  I have tried to use this in data centers instead of palm prints 
 or facial recognition and the systems require the user to focus on a 
 point.  If you can’t see and focus on the point you’re a no go.  Your 
 mileage may vary as I do not have retinas and irises to scan.  It’s more 
 than just pointing your eyeball at a screen though if that helps.
 
 As for the S8 in general, you do not want th is phone it’s largely 
 garbage.  The finger print reader is right next to the camera so you 
 smudge your camera continuously, the phone has had issues with crashing, 
 it’s under powered using the Snap Dragon processors, and there’s a really 
 bad implementation of the virtual home button.  There are some interesting 
 cellular features but over all the phone is a miss in my opinion.  If you 
 want to go android and try it out go Pixel or Pixel xl, specifically wait 
 for fall and this years new releases of the Google Pixel line.
 
 Hope that helps.
 
 
 
 
> On Jun 19, 2017, at 5:17 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
> 
> I thought I’d ask this question and see what people think,
> 
> I was looking at the new Samsung Galaxy S8 today and must admit it’s a 
> bloody nicely designed device,
> However it’s an android device so it will be a very big second choice if 
> I’m to get a new phone.
> 
> A couple of things I did note from it was a couple of security features,
> 
> Facial scanning recognition for unlocking your phone and also iris 
> scanning recognition for also security like unlocking your phone etc,
> 
> Now what I want to know is,
> Will iris scanning work for a blind person?
> 
> This feature on the S8 has a depth related scanning so it can’t seemingly 
> be fooled with a photo,
> And in my case I still have my own eyes although they don’t work one is 
> white with I forget what,
> But I wonder will this work for those of us with eyeballs?
> 
> And more to the point will apple even look at these types of security 
> features in the next version of the iPhone?
> 
> Discuss!
> 
> Simon F
> 
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Re: new features of iPhone next gen

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I try th take a picture using my I phone and voice over says nothing about my 
face being in the frame.  So how does one do that if one points the phone at 
one's face as it's never worked for me.
> On 19 Jun 2017, at 20:52, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kawal, Voice Over already has aiming and focusing tips in the camera app 
> that use face detection.  Tells you for example “a face near the center of 
> the photo”.
> 
> The good thing about face detection and recognition is you need be much less 
> precise than with iris scanning.  With an iris or retina scan you have to 
> look at a dot and focus on it while not moving.  With facial recognition you 
> just need to be in the frame.  The better software out there can identify you 
> even at an off angle.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 3:47 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott and others.
>> 
>> How the hell is a blind person to use a phone if one has to use face 
>> recognition?  I for one have no sight, have never seen and can't even hold a 
>> phone steady or in the right position for a picture to do its work.  I've 
>> even tried Tap tap C to aim the phone at something and it aims at the wrong 
>> thing.  So you know what I'm getting at.  May be Apple will do something 
>> with Voice Over to make face recognition do something for a blind person.  
>> They normally work round these kinds of things but if they can't this time 
>> then that will be a first hey!
>>> On 19 Jun 2017, at 15:53, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Simon,
>>> 
>>> The new iPhone is projected to have some sort of facial recognition. 
>>> The retinal scanning it’s been my experience does not work for a blind 
>>> person.  I have tried to use this in data centers instead of palm prints or 
>>> facial recognition and the systems require the user to focus on a point.  
>>> If you can’t see and focus on the point you’re a no go.  Your mileage may 
>>> vary as I do not have retinas and irises to scan.  It’s more than just 
>>> pointing your eyeball at a screen though if that helps.
>>> 
>>> As for the S8 in general, you do not want th is phone it’s largely garbage. 
>>>  The finger print reader is right next to the camera so you smudge your 
>>> camera continuously, the phone has had issues with crashing, it’s under 
>>> powered using the Snap Dragon processors, and there’s a really bad 
>>> implementation of the virtual home button.  There are some interesting 
>>> cellular features but over all the phone is a miss in my opinion.  If you 
>>> want to go android and try it out go Pixel or Pixel xl, specifically wait 
>>> for fall and this years new releases of the Google Pixel line.
>>> 
>>> Hope that helps.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 19, 2017, at 5:17 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Hi List,
 
 I thought I’d ask this question and see what people think,
 
 I was looking at the new Samsung Galaxy S8 today and must admit it’s a 
 bloody nicely designed device,
 However it’s an android device so it will be a very big second choice if 
 I’m to get a new phone.
 
 A couple of things I did note from it was a couple of security features,
 
 Facial scanning recognition for unlocking your phone and also iris 
 scanning recognition for also security like unlocking your phone etc,
 
 Now what I want to know is,
 Will iris scanning work for a blind person?
 
 This feature on the S8 has a depth related scanning so it can’t seemingly 
 be fooled with a photo,
 And in my case I still have my own eyes although they don’t work one is 
 white with I forget what,
 But I wonder will this work for those of us with eyeballs?
 
 And more to the point will apple even look at these types of security 
 features in the next version of the iPhone?
 
 Discuss!
 
 Simon F
 
 
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Re: new features of iPhone next gen

[Scott Granados]

Oh and one other data point, concerning the signature on your messages.  The 
Mac is not the only computer out there with built in access for the Blind.  
Chromebooks come with accessibility features, any linux installation can have 
screen readers, the low cost World books include accessibility features and any 
windows machine now running windows 10 have decent accessibility out of the 
box.  I only mention this because this is a huge improvement for we blind.  It 
directly translates in to more jobs and opportunities.  Microsoft, the Linux 
open source community, Google, IBm and others have put in a lot of effort to 
get us here.  Credit where Credit is due, Apple did great things to forward our 
causes and thankfully ignored the NFB and their FS paid for protests which set 
employment in the tech space for the blind back 20+ years but here in 2017 
companies are taking the effort back in house and we’re the beneficiaries.

Just wanted to raise that point not to criticize your sig but to bring to the 
attention of the group the big improvements and efforts of many companies now 
to make their products accessible. 


> On Jun 19, 2017, at 3:53 PM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> The answer is that you can’t:  period.  Either Apple does something about 
> this or I guarantee you there will be a heck of a holler all across the 
> country.  But wait a second.  Let’s see what the facts of the case really 
> turn out to be  before we start chasing after every negative rumor out there 
> as if it might be true.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott and others.
>> 
>> How the hell is a blind person to use a phone if one has to use face 
>> recognition?  I for one have no sight, have never seen and can't even hold a 
>> phone steady or in the right position for a picture to do its work.  I've 
>> even tried Tap tap C to aim the phone at something and it aims at the wrong 
>> thing.  So you know what I'm getting at.  May be Apple will do something 
>> with Voice Over to make face recognition do something for a blind person.  
>> They normally work round these kinds of things but if they can't this time 
>> then that will be a first hey!
>>> On 19 Jun 2017, at 15:53, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Simon,
>>> 
>>> The new iPhone is projected to have some sort of facial recognition. 
>>> The retinal scanning it’s been my experience does not work for a blind 
>>> person.  I have tried to use this in data centers instead of palm prints or 
>>> facial recognition and the systems require the user to focus on a point.  
>>> If you can’t see and focus on the point you’re a no go.  Your mileage may 
>>> vary as I do not have retinas and irises to scan.  It’s more than just 
>>> pointing your eyeball at a screen though if that helps.
>>> 
>>> As for the S8 in general, you do not want th is phone it’s largely garbage. 
>>>  The finger print reader is right next to the camera so you smudge your 
>>> camera continuously, the phone has had issues with crashing, it’s under 
>>> powered using the Snap Dragon processors, and there’s a really bad 
>>> implementation of the virtual home button.  There are some interesting 
>>> cellular features but over all the phone is a miss in my opinion.  If you 
>>> want to go android and try it out go Pixel or Pixel xl, specifically wait 
>>> for fall and this years new releases of the Google Pixel line.
>>> 
>>> Hope that helps.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 19, 2017, at 5:17 AM, Simon Fogarty > wrote:
 
 Hi List,
 
 I thought I’d ask this question and see what people think,
 
 I was looking at the new Samsung Galaxy S8 today and must admit it’s a 
 bloody nicely designed device,
 However it’s an android device so it will be a very big second choice if 
 I’m to get a new phone.
 
 A couple of things I did note from it was a couple of security features,
 
 Facial scanning recognition for unlocking your phone and also iris 
 scanning recognition for also security like unlocking your phone etc,
 
 Now what I want to know is,
 Will iris scanning work for a blind person?
 
 This feature on the S8 has a depth related scanning so it can’t seemingly 
 be fooled with a photo,
 And in my case I still have my own eyes although they don’t work one is 
 white with I forget what,
 But I wonder will this work for those of us with eyeballs?
 
 And more to the point will apple even look at these types of security 
 features in 

Re: new features of iPhone next gen

[Scott Granados]

Ray, you’re not quite right on this one.  Just to clear up a little confusion...

You most definitely can work with facial recognition.  I do every day for 
entering some data centers that are highly secure.  They used to use palm 
prints which obviously are very accessible but moved over to either facial 
recognition or retinal / iris scanning.  Facial recognition is very very 
accessible to us.  As long as you face the camera generally you’re good.  
Retinal scans or the Iris equivalent require very fine pointing which you’re 
right I don’t think a blind person could do.  Phones that implement these 
features though allow you to use the ones you want and not use the others. You 
could for example enable facial recognition and thumbprint but disable iris 
scanning.  Samsung is one of the biggest players doing this now and they make 
all these features very optional and configurable by a blind user.
One thing you might not realize for example, just walking in the front 
door of a Best Buy triggers facial recognition.  Your shopping habits are 
tracked and there’s no special facial placement or pose in 3D space you have to 
make to be recognized.

Hope that answers a few questions.

> On Jun 19, 2017, at 3:53 PM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> The answer is that you can’t:  period.  Either Apple does something about 
> this or I guarantee you there will be a heck of a holler all across the 
> country.  But wait a second.  Let’s see what the facts of the case really 
> turn out to be  before we start chasing after every negative rumor out there 
> as if it might be true.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott and others.
>> 
>> How the hell is a blind person to use a phone if one has to use face 
>> recognition?  I for one have no sight, have never seen and can't even hold a 
>> phone steady or in the right position for a picture to do its work.  I've 
>> even tried Tap tap C to aim the phone at something and it aims at the wrong 
>> thing.  So you know what I'm getting at.  May be Apple will do something 
>> with Voice Over to make face recognition do something for a blind person.  
>> They normally work round these kinds of things but if they can't this time 
>> then that will be a first hey!
>>> On 19 Jun 2017, at 15:53, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Simon,
>>> 
>>> The new iPhone is projected to have some sort of facial recognition. 
>>> The retinal scanning it’s been my experience does not work for a blind 
>>> person.  I have tried to use this in data centers instead of palm prints or 
>>> facial recognition and the systems require the user to focus on a point.  
>>> If you can’t see and focus on the point you’re a no go.  Your mileage may 
>>> vary as I do not have retinas and irises to scan.  It’s more than just 
>>> pointing your eyeball at a screen though if that helps.
>>> 
>>> As for the S8 in general, you do not want th is phone it’s largely garbage. 
>>>  The finger print reader is right next to the camera so you smudge your 
>>> camera continuously, the phone has had issues with crashing, it’s under 
>>> powered using the Snap Dragon processors, and there’s a really bad 
>>> implementation of the virtual home button.  There are some interesting 
>>> cellular features but over all the phone is a miss in my opinion.  If you 
>>> want to go android and try it out go Pixel or Pixel xl, specifically wait 
>>> for fall and this years new releases of the Google Pixel line.
>>> 
>>> Hope that helps.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 19, 2017, at 5:17 AM, Simon Fogarty > wrote:
 
 Hi List,
 
 I thought I’d ask this question and see what people think,
 
 I was looking at the new Samsung Galaxy S8 today and must admit it’s a 
 bloody nicely designed device,
 However it’s an android device so it will be a very big second choice if 
 I’m to get a new phone.
 
 A couple of things I did note from it was a couple of security features,
 
 Facial scanning recognition for unlocking your phone and also iris 
 scanning recognition for also security like unlocking your phone etc,
 
 Now what I want to know is,
 Will iris scanning work for a blind person?
 
 This feature on the S8 has a depth related scanning so it can’t seemingly 
 be fooled with a photo,
 And in my case I still have my own eyes although they don’t work one is 
 white with I forget what,
 But I wonder will this work for those of us with eyeballs?
 
 And more to the 

Re: new features of iPhone next gen

[Ray Foret jr]

The answer is that you can’t:  period.  Either Apple does something about this 
or I guarantee you there will be a heck of a holler all across the country.  
But wait a second.  Let’s see what the facts of the case really turn out to be  
before we start chasing after every negative rumor out there as if it might be 
true.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jun 19, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott and others.
> 
> How the hell is a blind person to use a phone if one has to use face 
> recognition?  I for one have no sight, have never seen and can't even hold a 
> phone steady or in the right position for a picture to do its work.  I've 
> even tried Tap tap C to aim the phone at something and it aims at the wrong 
> thing.  So you know what I'm getting at.  May be Apple will do something with 
> Voice Over to make face recognition do something for a blind person.  They 
> normally work round these kinds of things but if they can't this time then 
> that will be a first hey!
>> On 19 Jun 2017, at 15:53, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Simon,
>> 
>> The new iPhone is projected to have some sort of facial recognition. 
>>  The retinal scanning it’s been my experience does not work for a blind 
>> person.  I have tried to use this in data centers instead of palm prints or 
>> facial recognition and the systems require the user to focus on a point.  If 
>> you can’t see and focus on the point you’re a no go.  Your mileage may vary 
>> as I do not have retinas and irises to scan.  It’s more than just pointing 
>> your eyeball at a screen though if that helps.
>> 
>> As for the S8 in general, you do not want th is phone it’s largely garbage.  
>> The finger print reader is right next to the camera so you smudge your 
>> camera continuously, the phone has had issues with crashing, it’s under 
>> powered using the Snap Dragon processors, and there’s a really bad 
>> implementation of the virtual home button.  There are some interesting 
>> cellular features but over all the phone is a miss in my opinion.  If you 
>> want to go android and try it out go Pixel or Pixel xl, specifically wait 
>> for fall and this years new releases of the Google Pixel line.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 5:17 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi List,
>>> 
>>> I thought I’d ask this question and see what people think,
>>> 
>>> I was looking at the new Samsung Galaxy S8 today and must admit it’s a 
>>> bloody nicely designed device,
>>> However it’s an android device so it will be a very big second choice if 
>>> I’m to get a new phone.
>>> 
>>> A couple of things I did note from it was a couple of security features,
>>> 
>>> Facial scanning recognition for unlocking your phone and also iris scanning 
>>> recognition for also security like unlocking your phone etc,
>>> 
>>> Now what I want to know is,
>>> Will iris scanning work for a blind person?
>>> 
>>> This feature on the S8 has a depth related scanning so it can’t seemingly 
>>> be fooled with a photo,
>>> And in my case I still have my own eyes although they don’t work one is 
>>> white with I forget what,
>>> But I wonder will this work for those of us with eyeballs?
>>> 
>>> And more to the point will apple even look at these types of security 
>>> features in the next version of the iPhone?
>>> 
>>> Discuss!
>>> 
>>> Simon F
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: new features of iPhone next gen

[Scott Granados]

Hi Kawal, Voice Over already has aiming and focusing tips in the camera app 
that use face detection.  Tells you for example “a face near the center of the 
photo”.

The good thing about face detection and recognition is you need be much less 
precise than with iris scanning.  With an iris or retina scan you have to look 
at a dot and focus on it while not moving.  With facial recognition you just 
need to be in the frame.  The better software out there can identify you even 
at an off angle.

Hope that helps.


> On Jun 19, 2017, at 3:47 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott and others.
> 
> How the hell is a blind person to use a phone if one has to use face 
> recognition?  I for one have no sight, have never seen and can't even hold a 
> phone steady or in the right position for a picture to do its work.  I've 
> even tried Tap tap C to aim the phone at something and it aims at the wrong 
> thing.  So you know what I'm getting at.  May be Apple will do something with 
> Voice Over to make face recognition do something for a blind person.  They 
> normally work round these kinds of things but if they can't this time then 
> that will be a first hey!
>> On 19 Jun 2017, at 15:53, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Simon,
>> 
>> The new iPhone is projected to have some sort of facial recognition. 
>>  The retinal scanning it’s been my experience does not work for a blind 
>> person.  I have tried to use this in data centers instead of palm prints or 
>> facial recognition and the systems require the user to focus on a point.  If 
>> you can’t see and focus on the point you’re a no go.  Your mileage may vary 
>> as I do not have retinas and irises to scan.  It’s more than just pointing 
>> your eyeball at a screen though if that helps.
>> 
>> As for the S8 in general, you do not want th is phone it’s largely garbage.  
>> The finger print reader is right next to the camera so you smudge your 
>> camera continuously, the phone has had issues with crashing, it’s under 
>> powered using the Snap Dragon processors, and there’s a really bad 
>> implementation of the virtual home button.  There are some interesting 
>> cellular features but over all the phone is a miss in my opinion.  If you 
>> want to go android and try it out go Pixel or Pixel xl, specifically wait 
>> for fall and this years new releases of the Google Pixel line.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 5:17 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi List,
>>> 
>>> I thought I’d ask this question and see what people think,
>>> 
>>> I was looking at the new Samsung Galaxy S8 today and must admit it’s a 
>>> bloody nicely designed device,
>>> However it’s an android device so it will be a very big second choice if 
>>> I’m to get a new phone.
>>> 
>>> A couple of things I did note from it was a couple of security features,
>>> 
>>> Facial scanning recognition for unlocking your phone and also iris scanning 
>>> recognition for also security like unlocking your phone etc,
>>> 
>>> Now what I want to know is,
>>> Will iris scanning work for a blind person?
>>> 
>>> This feature on the S8 has a depth related scanning so it can’t seemingly 
>>> be fooled with a photo,
>>> And in my case I still have my own eyes although they don’t work one is 
>>> white with I forget what,
>>> But I wonder will this work for those of us with eyeballs?
>>> 
>>> And more to the point will apple even look at these types of security 
>>> features in the next version of the iPhone?
>>> 
>>> Discuss!
>>> 
>>> Simon F
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: new features of iPhone next gen

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi Scott and others.

How the hell is a blind person to use a phone if one has to use face 
recognition?  I for one have no sight, have never seen and can't even hold a 
phone steady or in the right position for a picture to do its work.  I've even 
tried Tap tap C to aim the phone at something and it aims at the wrong thing.  
So you know what I'm getting at.  May be Apple will do something with Voice 
Over to make face recognition do something for a blind person.  They normally 
work round these kinds of things but if they can't this time then that will be 
a first hey!
> On 19 Jun 2017, at 15:53, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> The new iPhone is projected to have some sort of facial recognition. 
>   The retinal scanning it’s been my experience does not work for a blind 
> person.  I have tried to use this in data centers instead of palm prints or 
> facial recognition and the systems require the user to focus on a point.  If 
> you can’t see and focus on the point you’re a no go.  Your mileage may vary 
> as I do not have retinas and irises to scan.  It’s more than just pointing 
> your eyeball at a screen though if that helps.
> 
> As for the S8 in general, you do not want th is phone it’s largely garbage.  
> The finger print reader is right next to the camera so you smudge your camera 
> continuously, the phone has had issues with crashing, it’s under powered 
> using the Snap Dragon processors, and there’s a really bad implementation of 
> the virtual home button.  There are some interesting cellular features but 
> over all the phone is a miss in my opinion.  If you want to go android and 
> try it out go Pixel or Pixel xl, specifically wait for fall and this years 
> new releases of the Google Pixel line.
> 
> Hope that helps.
>  
> 
>  
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 5:17 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>>  
>> I thought I’d ask this question and see what people think,
>>  
>> I was looking at the new Samsung Galaxy S8 today and must admit it’s a 
>> bloody nicely designed device,
>> However it’s an android device so it will be a very big second choice if I’m 
>> to get a new phone.
>>  
>> A couple of things I did note from it was a couple of security features,
>>  
>> Facial scanning recognition for unlocking your phone and also iris scanning 
>> recognition for also security like unlocking your phone etc,
>>  
>> Now what I want to know is,
>> Will iris scanning work for a blind person?
>>  
>> This feature on the S8 has a depth related scanning so it can’t seemingly be 
>> fooled with a photo,
>> And in my case I still have my own eyes although they don’t work one is 
>> white with I forget what,
>> But I wonder will this work for those of us with eyeballs?
>>  
>> And more to the point will apple even look at these types of security 
>> features in the next version of the iPhone?
>>  
>> Discuss!
>>  
>> Simon F
>>  
>> 
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Re: password management / security

[Tim Kilburn]

More good info.  Thanks Jonathan.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:33, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

I believe the place 1 Password still shines brighter then Apple equivalents is 
the ability to share Vaults within teams. This functionality seems very well 
thought out, and allows one to easily control who has access to what services. 

I also like the multi-word password generator scheme in one password. Sure, I 
could create code that would do the equivalent in about 15 lines of perl code., 
but I believe they gave a little more thought to the process. Also good for 
learning new vocabulary. 

I believe  one password  ignores the HTML attributes used to tell browsers to 
not save passwords. 

But yes, it probably is a bit over kill especially if you have no need to share 
passwords with others. An properly encrypted spreadsheet could perform most of 
the functions of 1 password that are not done with KeyChain.  Though I do trust 
Agile Bits  to create  a encryption that is  hard to crack. 
  . 

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 12:33 PM Tim Kilburn > wrote:
Hi,

iCloud Keychain does all that as well.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 19, 2017, at 10:11, Brandon Olivares > wrote:

Honestly I like it because I can store more than just passwords in it. I keep 
my credit card information in 1Password, as well as banking information, server 
connection details, my PIN for EFTPS for paying taxes, etc, etc. Plus it can 
generate secure passwords for me with the criteria I choose. So it's one handy 
place to store everything.

Brandon


Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:41, Tim Kilburn > wrote:

> Thanks Scott and ET.  For now, I'm not interested in getting an Android, nor 
> do I use Windows other than for AD stuff at work.  Sounds like I'm fine with 
> iCloud Keychain.
> 
> Good info.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 19, 2017, at 09:33, E.T.  > wrote:
> 
> Tim,
>   This is one of those things that falls under those "I don't know what I am 
> missing" categories. I had started with RoboForm under Windows many eons ago 
> so to me it was a natural to install 1Password.
> 
>   1Password probably duplicates many functions that are built into Apple such 
> as secure notes, and so on but its a nice tidy package. You could try it free 
> for 30 days and see for yourself.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> 
> On 6/19/2017 8:25 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Just because I've never bothered with this sort of service, I have a
>> possibly silly question.  What advantage do services like this have over
>> Apple's built-in iCloud Keychain?  Do they handle more types of
>> passwords or something?  iCloud Keychain syncs across devices, remembers
>> passwords to all your Safari sites, all your WiFi networks and more.
>> It's all I've ever needed so far, but would be interested in other's
>> prospective.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 00:49, Simon Fogarty > 
>> >> wrote:
>> 
>> stuff that,
>> a year that’s a rip off,
>> thanks for the info though.
>> 
>> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>> > >
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Brandon A. Olivares
>> *Sent:* Monday, 19 June 2017 5:23 AM
>> *To:* “Mac Visionaries“ > 
>> > >>
>> *Subject:* Re: password management / security
>> 
>> Yeah even for individuals it's $35.88 per year now. I think it's worth
>> it though.
>> 
>>On Jun 18, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Georgina Joyce > 
>>>> wrote:
>> 
>>Hello ET,
>> 
>>I couldn’t find a one off purchase version for a individual.
>> 
>>Gena
>> 
>> 
>>On 18 Jun 2017, at 14:35, E.T. > 
>>> >> wrote:
>> 
>>  Yes I know about that but just to clarify, its designed for
>>family 

Re: password management / security

[Jonathan Cohn]

I believe the place 1 Password still shines brighter then Apple equivalents
is the ability to share Vaults within teams. This functionality seems very
well thought out, and allows one to easily control who has access to what
services.

I also like the multi-word password generator scheme in one password. Sure,
I could create code that would do the equivalent in about 15 lines of perl
code., but I believe they gave a little more thought to the process. Also
good for learning new vocabulary.

I believe  one password  ignores the HTML attributes used to tell browsers
to not save passwords.

But yes, it probably is a bit over kill especially if you have no need to
share passwords with others. An properly encrypted spreadsheet could
perform most of the functions of 1 password that are not done with
KeyChain.  Though I do trust Agile Bits  to create  a encryption that is
 hard to crack.
  .

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 12:33 PM Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> iCloud Keychain does all that as well.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Jun 19, 2017, at 10:11, Brandon Olivares 
> wrote:
>
> Honestly I like it because I can store more than just passwords in it. I
> keep my credit card information in 1Password, as well as banking
> information, server connection details, my PIN for EFTPS for paying taxes,
> etc, etc. Plus it can generate secure passwords for me with the criteria I
> choose. So it's one handy place to store everything.
>
> Brandon
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:41, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>
> Thanks Scott and ET.  For now, I'm not interested in getting an Android,
> nor do I use Windows other than for AD stuff at work.  Sounds like I'm fine
> with iCloud Keychain.
>
> Good info.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Jun 19, 2017, at 09:33, E.T.  wrote:
>
> Tim,
>   This is one of those things that falls under those "I don't know what I
> am missing" categories. I had started with RoboForm under Windows many eons
> ago so to me it was a natural to install 1Password.
>
>   1Password probably duplicates many functions that are built into Apple
> such as secure notes, and so on but its a nice tidy package. You could try
> it free for 30 days and see for yourself.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 6/19/2017 8:25 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Just because I've never bothered with this sort of service, I have a
> possibly silly question.  What advantage do services like this have over
> Apple's built-in iCloud Keychain?  Do they handle more types of
> passwords or something?  iCloud Keychain syncs across devices, remembers
> passwords to all your Safari sites, all your WiFi networks and more.
> It's all I've ever needed so far, but would be interested in other's
> prospective.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Jun 19, 2017, at 00:49, Simon Fogarty  >> wrote:
>
> stuff that,
> a year that’s a rip off,
> thanks for the info though.
>
> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ]
> *On Behalf Of *Brandon A. Olivares
> *Sent:* Monday, 19 June 2017 5:23 AM
> *To:* “Mac Visionaries“  
> >>
> *Subject:* Re: password management / security
>
> Yeah even for individuals it's $35.88 per year now. I think it's worth
> it though.
>
>On Jun 18, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Georgina Joyce >> wrote:
>
>Hello ET,
>
>I couldn’t find a one off purchase version for a individual.
>
>Gena
>
>
>On 18 Jun 2017, at 14:35, E.T. >>
> wrote:
>
>  Yes I know about that but just to clarify, its designed for
>family sharing, not for an individual.
>
>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com  >
>
>On 6/18/2017 6:19 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
>
>Hello ET,
>
>
>https://1password.com/families/
>
>
>
>On 17 Jun 2017, at 23:47, E.T.
>

Re: MacBook pro with touch bar.

[Alex Hall]

I'll reiterate my response from that thread, in case the OP of this one didn't 
see that one.

I really like the keyboard. It's comfortable after an initial period of 
adjustment, and I find it easier to press keys. Moving to an older Mac now 
feels like more work than I'm used to having to put into typing. The Touch Bar 
is right above the numbers, so you may sometimes touch it by mistake, but I 
very rarely do that. Even if I do, the concepts of iOS apply here, so you have 
to double tap to activate what you touch. This means that touching something 
will speak it, but not activate it. Yes, the trackpad is larger, but I don't 
find that to be much of a problem. Well, not much more than in other Macs, I 
should say. I've always had the problem of accidental touches doing things, 
especially with Trackpad Commander on or VO set to follow the mouse. That's 
annoying, but not much more so on this Mac than any other.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 19, 2017, at 10:45, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi there, so others different with me but I don’t like the built in keyboard 
> and the light bar is to sensitive.  My fingers trigger things like mute and 
> screen brightness when I’m typing on the top row of keys.  The keyboard is 
> also very small and your fingers that tend to rest near the touch pad trigger 
> the touch pad.  However, I added a Magic keyboard and mouse and love the 
> wireless keyboard option.  You get the old keys back and with better feel.  
> The processing power and speed of the new laptops is very very good though.
> 
>> On Jun 16, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> 
>> Wondering what others impressions have been with the MacBook pro with touch 
>> bar?
>> 
>> 
>> And how's the keyboard?
>> 
>> 
>> I am looking at getting one.
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> 
>> Sadam Ahmed
>> 
>> JAWS certified, 2017
>> 
>> Mobile:
>> 
>> + 61 435 892 944
>> FaceTime, iMessage & email
>> 
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Re: password management / security

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

iCloud Keychain does all that as well.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 19, 2017, at 10:11, Brandon Olivares  wrote:

Honestly I like it because I can store more than just passwords in it. I keep 
my credit card information in 1Password, as well as banking information, server 
connection details, my PIN for EFTPS for paying taxes, etc, etc. Plus it can 
generate secure passwords for me with the criteria I choose. So it's one handy 
place to store everything.

Brandon


Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:41, Tim Kilburn > wrote:

> Thanks Scott and ET.  For now, I'm not interested in getting an Android, nor 
> do I use Windows other than for AD stuff at work.  Sounds like I'm fine with 
> iCloud Keychain.
> 
> Good info.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 19, 2017, at 09:33, E.T.  > wrote:
> 
> Tim,
>   This is one of those things that falls under those "I don't know what I am 
> missing" categories. I had started with RoboForm under Windows many eons ago 
> so to me it was a natural to install 1Password.
> 
>   1Password probably duplicates many functions that are built into Apple such 
> as secure notes, and so on but its a nice tidy package. You could try it free 
> for 30 days and see for yourself.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> 
> On 6/19/2017 8:25 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Just because I've never bothered with this sort of service, I have a
>> possibly silly question.  What advantage do services like this have over
>> Apple's built-in iCloud Keychain?  Do they handle more types of
>> passwords or something?  iCloud Keychain syncs across devices, remembers
>> passwords to all your Safari sites, all your WiFi networks and more.
>> It's all I've ever needed so far, but would be interested in other's
>> prospective.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 00:49, Simon Fogarty > 
>> >> wrote:
>> 
>> stuff that,
>> a year that’s a rip off,
>> thanks for the info though.
>> 
>> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>> > >
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Brandon A. Olivares
>> *Sent:* Monday, 19 June 2017 5:23 AM
>> *To:* “Mac Visionaries“ > 
>> > >>
>> *Subject:* Re: password management / security
>> 
>> Yeah even for individuals it's $35.88 per year now. I think it's worth
>> it though.
>> 
>>On Jun 18, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Georgina Joyce > 
>>>> wrote:
>> 
>>Hello ET,
>> 
>>I couldn’t find a one off purchase version for a individual.
>> 
>>Gena
>> 
>> 
>>On 18 Jun 2017, at 14:35, E.T. > 
>>> >> wrote:
>> 
>>  Yes I know about that but just to clarify, its designed for
>>family sharing, not for an individual.
>> 
>>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com  
>> >
>> 
>>On 6/18/2017 6:19 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
>> 
>>Hello ET,
>> 
>> 
>>https://1password.com/families/ 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>On 17 Jun 2017, at 23:47, E.T.
>>
>>> >
>>> >> wrote:
>> 
>> If you are talking about 1Password, its not subscription.
>>OnePass looks to be a commandline interface for 1Password.
>> 
>>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>"God for you is where you sweep 

Re: password management / security

[Brandon Olivares]

Honestly I like it because I can store more than just passwords in it. I keep 
my credit card information in 1Password, as well as banking information, server 
connection details, my PIN for EFTPS for paying taxes, etc, etc. Plus it can 
generate secure passwords for me with the criteria I choose. So it's one handy 
place to store everything.

Brandon


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:41, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Scott and ET.  For now, I'm not interested in getting an Android, nor 
> do I use Windows other than for AD stuff at work.  Sounds like I'm fine with 
> iCloud Keychain.
> 
> Good info.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 19, 2017, at 09:33, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Tim,
>   This is one of those things that falls under those "I don't know what I am 
> missing" categories. I had started with RoboForm under Windows many eons ago 
> so to me it was a natural to install 1Password.
> 
>   1Password probably duplicates many functions that are built into Apple such 
> as secure notes, and so on but its a nice tidy package. You could try it free 
> for 30 days and see for yourself.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 6/19/2017 8:25 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Just because I've never bothered with this sort of service, I have a
>> possibly silly question.  What advantage do services like this have over
>> Apple's built-in iCloud Keychain?  Do they handle more types of
>> passwords or something?  iCloud Keychain syncs across devices, remembers
>> passwords to all your Safari sites, all your WiFi networks and more.
>> It's all I've ever needed so far, but would be interested in other's
>> prospective.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 00:49, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> stuff that,
>> a year that’s a rip off,
>> thanks for the info though.
>> 
>> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Brandon A. Olivares
>> *Sent:* Monday, 19 June 2017 5:23 AM
>> *To:* “Mac Visionaries“ > >
>> *Subject:* Re: password management / security
>> 
>> Yeah even for individuals it's $35.88 per year now. I think it's worth
>> it though.
>> 
>>On Jun 18, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Georgina Joyce >> wrote:
>> 
>>Hello ET,
>> 
>>I couldn’t find a one off purchase version for a individual.
>> 
>>Gena
>> 
>> 
>>On 18 Jun 2017, at 14:35, E.T. >> wrote:
>> 
>>  Yes I know about that but just to clarify, its designed for
>>family sharing, not for an individual.
>> 
>>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>> 
>>On 6/18/2017 6:19 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
>> 
>>Hello ET,
>> 
>> 
>>https://1password.com/families/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>On 17 Jun 2017, at 23:47, E.T.
>>>
>>> wrote:
>> 
>> If you are talking about 1Password, its not subscription.
>>OnePass looks to be a commandline interface for 1Password.
>> 
>>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>On 6/17/2017 3:37 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
>> 
>>Hello Simon,
>> 
>>If I remember right OnePass is now subscription
>>based. So I chose
>>LastPass. As far as I know it is fully accessible. I
>>can do everything I
>>want to and there is nothing that appears to be
>>inaccessible. But if it
>>was inaccessible I wouldn’t know about it. A lot of
>>these programs are
>>

Re: new features of iPhone next gen

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
You could also wait for the Nokia 9 if it comes out this year?
That seems to be an intresting one.
/A
> 19 juni 2017 kl. 16:53 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> The new iPhone is projected to have some sort of facial recognition. 
>   The retinal scanning it’s been my experience does not work for a blind 
> person.  I have tried to use this in data centers instead of palm prints or 
> facial recognition and the systems require the user to focus on a point.  If 
> you can’t see and focus on the point you’re a no go.  Your mileage may vary 
> as I do not have retinas and irises to scan.  It’s more than just pointing 
> your eyeball at a screen though if that helps.
> 
> As for the S8 in general, you do not want th is phone it’s largely garbage.  
> The finger print reader is right next to the camera so you smudge your camera 
> continuously, the phone has had issues with crashing, it’s under powered 
> using the Snap Dragon processors, and there’s a really bad implementation of 
> the virtual home button.  There are some interesting cellular features but 
> over all the phone is a miss in my opinion.  If you want to go android and 
> try it out go Pixel or Pixel xl, specifically wait for fall and this years 
> new releases of the Google Pixel line.
> 
> Hope that helps.
>  
> 
>  
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 5:17 AM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>>  
>> I thought I’d ask this question and see what people think,
>>  
>> I was looking at the new Samsung Galaxy S8 today and must admit it’s a 
>> bloody nicely designed device,
>> However it’s an android device so it will be a very big second choice if I’m 
>> to get a new phone.
>>  
>> A couple of things I did note from it was a couple of security features,
>>  
>> Facial scanning recognition for unlocking your phone and also iris scanning 
>> recognition for also security like unlocking your phone etc,
>>  
>> Now what I want to know is,
>> Will iris scanning work for a blind person?
>>  
>> This feature on the S8 has a depth related scanning so it can’t seemingly be 
>> fooled with a photo,
>> And in my case I still have my own eyes although they don’t work one is 
>> white with I forget what,
>> But I wonder will this work for those of us with eyeballs?
>>  
>> And more to the point will apple even look at these types of security 
>> features in the next version of the iPhone?
>>  
>> Discuss!
>>  
>> Simon F
>>  
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Re: password management / security

[Tim Kilburn]

Thanks Scott and ET.  For now, I'm not interested in getting an Android, nor do 
I use Windows other than for AD stuff at work.  Sounds like I'm fine with 
iCloud Keychain.

Good info.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 19, 2017, at 09:33, E.T.  wrote:

Tim,
  This is one of those things that falls under those "I don't know what I am 
missing" categories. I had started with RoboForm under Windows many eons ago so 
to me it was a natural to install 1Password.

  1Password probably duplicates many functions that are built into Apple such 
as secure notes, and so on but its a nice tidy package. You could try it free 
for 30 days and see for yourself.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 

On 6/19/2017 8:25 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Just because I've never bothered with this sort of service, I have a
> possibly silly question.  What advantage do services like this have over
> Apple's built-in iCloud Keychain?  Do they handle more types of
> passwords or something?  iCloud Keychain syncs across devices, remembers
> passwords to all your Safari sites, all your WiFi networks and more.
> It's all I've ever needed so far, but would be interested in other's
> prospective.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 19, 2017, at 00:49, Simon Fogarty  >> wrote:
> 
> stuff that,
> a year that’s a rip off,
> thanks for the info though.
> 
> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> 
>  >
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] *On Behalf Of *Brandon A. Olivares
> *Sent:* Monday, 19 June 2017 5:23 AM
> *To:* “Mac Visionaries“  
>  >>
> *Subject:* Re: password management / security
> 
> Yeah even for individuals it's $35.88 per year now. I think it's worth
> it though.
> 
>On Jun 18, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Georgina Joyce  
>>> wrote:
> 
>Hello ET,
> 
>I couldn’t find a one off purchase version for a individual.
> 
>Gena
> 
> 
>On 18 Jun 2017, at 14:35, E.T.  
>>> 
> wrote:
> 
>  Yes I know about that but just to clarify, its designed for
>family sharing, not for an individual.
> 
>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com  
> >
> 
>On 6/18/2017 6:19 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
> 
>Hello ET,
> 
> 
>https://1password.com/families/ 
> 
> 
> 
>On 17 Jun 2017, at 23:47, E.T.
>
> >
> >> wrote:
> 
> If you are talking about 1Password, its not subscription.
>OnePass looks to be a commandline interface for 1Password.
> 
>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> 
> >  >
> 
>On 6/17/2017 3:37 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
> 
>Hello Simon,
> 
>If I remember right OnePass is now subscription
>based. So I chose
>LastPass. As far as I know it is fully accessible. I
>can do everything I
>want to and there is nothing that appears to be
>

Re: password management / security

[E.T.]

Tim,
   This is one of those things that falls under those "I don't know 
what I am missing" categories. I had started with RoboForm under Windows 
many eons ago so to me it was a natural to install 1Password.


   1Password probably duplicates many functions that are built into 
Apple such as secure notes, and so on but its a nice tidy package. You 
could try it free for 30 days and see for yourself.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/19/2017 8:25 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

Just because I've never bothered with this sort of service, I have a
possibly silly question.  What advantage do services like this have over
Apple's built-in iCloud Keychain?  Do they handle more types of
passwords or something?  iCloud Keychain syncs across devices, remembers
passwords to all your Safari sites, all your WiFi networks and more.
 It's all I've ever needed so far, but would be interested in other's
prospective.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 19, 2017, at 00:49, Simon Fogarty > wrote:

stuff that,
a year that’s a rip off,
thanks for the info though.

*From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Brandon A. Olivares
*Sent:* Monday, 19 June 2017 5:23 AM
*To:* “Mac Visionaries“ >
*Subject:* Re: password management / security

Yeah even for individuals it's $35.88 per year now. I think it's worth
it though.

On Jun 18, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Georgina Joyce > wrote:

Hello ET,

I couldn’t find a one off purchase version for a individual.

Gena


On 18 Jun 2017, at 14:35, E.T. > wrote:

  Yes I know about that but just to clarify, its designed for
family sharing, not for an individual.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 

On 6/18/2017 6:19 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:

Hello ET,


https://1password.com/families/



On 17 Jun 2017, at 23:47, E.T.

> wrote:

 If you are talking about 1Password, its not subscription.
OnePass looks to be a commandline interface for 1Password.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 


On 6/17/2017 3:37 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:

Hello Simon,

If I remember right OnePass is now subscription
based. So I chose
LastPass. As far as I know it is fully accessible. I
can do everything I
want to and there is nothing that appears to be
inaccessible. But if it
was inaccessible I wouldn’t know about it. A lot of
these programs are
at least free for 30 days. As it’s different horses
for different
courses you should try these 30 day offers.

Good luck.

Gena



On 17 Jun 2017, at 04:47, Simon Fogarty


> wrote:

Hi List,

I know this subject was recently discussed but I
missed the outcome,

I’m looking for a secure password manager and
wondered what people use.

I would like something that I can use on my Mac
Book air, iPhone and
windows notebook,
So one product that will do all platforms,

I know that colleagues at work 

Re: password management / security

[Scott Granados]

I believe one big area is across non Mac or Apple platforms.  SO I you need to 
wrap windows or android in to your list of platforms you’ll need something 
other than keychain.

> On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:25 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Just because I've never bothered with this sort of service, I have a possibly 
> silly question.  What advantage do services like this have over Apple's 
> built-in iCloud Keychain?  Do they handle more types of passwords or 
> something?  iCloud Keychain syncs across devices, remembers passwords to all 
> your Safari sites, all your WiFi networks and more.  It's all I've ever 
> needed so far, but would be interested in other's prospective.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 19, 2017, at 00:49, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
> 
> stuff that,
> a year that’s a rip off,
> thanks for the info though.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Brandon A. Olivares
> Sent: Monday, 19 June 2017 5:23 AM
> To: “Mac Visionaries“  >
> Subject: Re: password management / security
>  
> Yeah even for individuals it's $35.88 per year now. I think it's worth it 
> though.
> On Jun 18, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Georgina Joyce  > wrote:
>  
> Hello ET,
>  
> I couldn’t find a one off purchase version for a individual.
>  
> Gena
>  
> On 18 Jun 2017, at 14:35, E.T.  > wrote:
>  
>   Yes I know about that but just to clarify, its designed for family sharing, 
> not for an individual.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> 
> On 6/18/2017 6:19 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
> 
> Hello ET,
> 
> 
> https://1password.com/families/ 
> 
> 
> 
> On 17 Jun 2017, at 23:47, E.T.  
> >> wrote:
> 
>  If you are talking about 1Password, its not subscription.
> OnePass looks to be a commandline interface for 1Password.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com  
> >
> 
> On 6/17/2017 3:37 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
> 
> Hello Simon,
> 
> If I remember right OnePass is now subscription based. So I chose
> LastPass. As far as I know it is fully accessible. I can do everything I
> want to and there is nothing that appears to be inaccessible. But if it
> was inaccessible I wouldn’t know about it. A lot of these programs are
> at least free for 30 days. As it’s different horses for different
> courses you should try these 30 day offers.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Gena
> 
> 
> 
> On 17 Jun 2017, at 04:47, Simon Fogarty  
> >
> >> wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
> 
> I know this subject was recently discussed but I missed the outcome,
> 
> I’m looking for a secure password manager and wondered what people use.
> 
> I would like something that I can use on my Mac Book air, iPhone and
> windows notebook,
> So one product that will do all platforms,
> 
> I know that colleagues at work use one called “KeePass”
> And that some people on this list use I think it’s called One password,
> 
> Has anyone got any experience with the KeePass product or is the One
> Password a better option,
> 
> Thoughts appreciated
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> Simon f
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Re: password management / security

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Just because I've never bothered with this sort of service, I have a possibly 
silly question.  What advantage do services like this have over Apple's 
built-in iCloud Keychain?  Do they handle more types of passwords or something? 
 iCloud Keychain syncs across devices, remembers passwords to all your Safari 
sites, all your WiFi networks and more.  It's all I've ever needed so far, but 
would be interested in other's prospective.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 19, 2017, at 00:49, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

stuff that,
a year that’s a rip off,
thanks for the info though.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Brandon A. Olivares
Sent: Monday, 19 June 2017 5:23 AM
To: “Mac Visionaries“ 
Subject: Re: password management / security
 
Yeah even for individuals it's $35.88 per year now. I think it's worth it 
though.
On Jun 18, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Georgina Joyce > wrote:
 
Hello ET,
 
I couldn’t find a one off purchase version for a individual.
 
Gena
 
On 18 Jun 2017, at 14:35, E.T. > wrote:
 
  Yes I know about that but just to clarify, its designed for family sharing, 
not for an individual.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 

On 6/18/2017 6:19 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:

Hello ET,


https://1password.com/families/ 



On 17 Jun 2017, at 23:47, E.T. 
>> wrote:

 If you are talking about 1Password, its not subscription.
OnePass looks to be a commandline interface for 1Password.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com  
>

On 6/17/2017 3:37 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:

Hello Simon,

If I remember right OnePass is now subscription based. So I chose
LastPass. As far as I know it is fully accessible. I can do everything I
want to and there is nothing that appears to be inaccessible. But if it
was inaccessible I wouldn’t know about it. A lot of these programs are
at least free for 30 days. As it’s different horses for different
courses you should try these 30 day offers.

Good luck.

Gena



On 17 Jun 2017, at 04:47, Simon Fogarty 
>
>> wrote:

Hi List,

I know this subject was recently discussed but I missed the outcome,

I’m looking for a secure password manager and wondered what people use.

I would like something that I can use on my Mac Book air, iPhone and
windows notebook,
So one product that will do all platforms,

I know that colleagues at work use one called “KeePass”
And that some people on this list use I think it’s called One password,

Has anyone got any experience with the KeePass product or is the One
Password a better option,

Thoughts appreciated

Cheers,


Simon f


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Re: Keynote with VoiceOver

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Anne and Andrew,

I believe that the keyboard shortcut that Anne mentioned is one that was user 
created.  If I recall correctly, my keyboard shortcut is cmd-option-cmd-right 
or left.  Creating this shortcut will greatly improve your ease of navigation 
within Keynote slides.  You can create these sorts of shortcuts in the Keyboard 
pane of System Prefs.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 19, 2017, at 07:52, Anne Robertson  wrote:

Hello Andrew,

The same principles apply in Keynote as in the other iWork applications. Make 
sure that Navigator is checked in the View menu so that you can see quickly how 
many slides are in the document.
Interact with the navigator and go to first item (VO-Home) to get to slide 1.
Press VO-j to get into the slide.
Go to first item again to make sure you’re at the beginning of the slide and 
use VO-Right Arrow to navigate through the items on the slide.
On my computer, Cmd-Ctrl-Right Arrow takes me to the next slide, but I can’t 
remember whether this is a standard shortcut or one I created at some point. In 
any case, you can find the shortcut in the Slide menu under Go to.

Cheers,

Anne



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> 
> Hi,
> 
> For the first time ever I am in the position of having to use Keynote to read 
> power point presentation which a colleague of mine has chosen as an absolute 
> preference.  Needless to say, I'm nervous.  I wanted to ask for any tips of 
> how best to proceed with Keynote as regards using it with VoiceOver.  I have 
> no sight at all so have to use speech and refreshable Braille only.
> 
> Many thanks in advance for any suggestions.
> 
> Andrew
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Scott Granados]

It’s a pretty good bet a 3rd gen model will be out in the Fall though.  Do we 
know for sure, nope you’re right but it’s a reasonable guess.

> On Jun 16, 2017, at 3:12 PM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello, honestly? We don't know if and when a new Apple Watch will be 
> forthcoming.
>> On 15 Jun 2017, at 20:44, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> I want to know if a new Apple watch is coming out and get honest opinion 
>> from a person who uses it with voice Over.  Also, what is a magic keyboard?  
>> I have an old Apple keyboard where you need to put batteries in to make it 
>> work.  If I were to get any keyboards, I'd need two keyboards and two new 
>> trackpads but at the moment, all my equipment is working here properly and I 
>> don't know what I'd do with the old keyboards and trackpads.  That's why I 
>> haven't bought anything yet.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 15 Jun 2017, at 20:40, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> We still use lots of those older keyboards that came with the eMacs and the 
>>> original white iMacs.  They're quite sturdy old things, and the students 
>>> don't pick off the keys as much as they do with the newer aluminum kind.  I 
>>> prefer typing on the newer aluminum ones, but can't beat the toughness of 
>>> those older ones.  They also go through the dishwasher nicely when they 
>>> need a cleaning :).
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 13:25, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My primary keyboard on a Macintosh is still one from a eMac that came with 
>>> a G4 processor.
>>> Please give a shout out about the new keyboard once you have used it for a 
>>> week.
>>> 
>>> On 15 June 2017 at 13:43, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> I think I’d like the one with the keypad, I may have to try that out.  
>>> Starting to really like the original version though.  Work was good enough 
>>> to pick one up for me, it’s the first time I’ve used one.  Love it so far.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 14, 2017, at 4:40 PM, christopher hallsworth 
  wrote:
 
 Hello, I love the Magic Keyboard and am glad the original incarnation is 
 still available, together with the new Magic Keyboard 2 with numeric 
 keypad.
> On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:25, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Actually, Mary, that’s not quite correct.  The wireless keyboards from 
> Apple (magic keyboards) are quite good and I’m like you picky about m y 
> keyboards.  I do not like the one included on the laptop itself but the 
> one I use wirelessly from Apple is quite comfortable and has all the keys 
> including function.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a 
>> stereo pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act 
>> together with Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The 
>> idea that this new speaker will be smart enough to know where it is in a 
>> room and adjust its output accordingly is interesting. I am not the 
>> least bit interested in the Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is absurd for 
>> anything I would want. I'm disappointed about the mini not getting 
>> refreshed, but not surprised. And I think the new stuff for the iPad in 
>> iOS 11 has really good potential, although I will be curious to see how 
>> it all works with voiceover. I was excited about the announcement of a 
>> new Bluetooth keyboard and that includes the number pad, only to be 
>> disappointed when I realized it has the same awful feel as all of the 
>> new notebook keyboards that Apple has been producing. No key travel to 
>> speak up and no spacing between the keys. No thank you. Why oh why can't 
>> they make a keyboard that really works well for touch typist? That is 
>> after all, who does most of the serious typing in the world.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but 
>>> the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 
>>> 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted 
>>> the device starts a
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Re: new features of iPhone next gen

[Scott Granados]

Hi Simon,

The new iPhone is projected to have some sort of facial recognition. 
The retinal scanning it’s been my experience does not work for a blind 
person.  I have tried to use this in data centers instead of palm prints or 
facial recognition and the systems require the user to focus on a point.  If 
you can’t see and focus on the point you’re a no go.  Your mileage may vary as 
I do not have retinas and irises to scan.  It’s more than just pointing your 
eyeball at a screen though if that helps.

As for the S8 in general, you do not want th is phone it’s largely garbage.  
The finger print reader is right next to the camera so you smudge your camera 
continuously, the phone has had issues with crashing, it’s under powered using 
the Snap Dragon processors, and there’s a really bad implementation of the 
virtual home button.  There are some interesting cellular features but over all 
the phone is a miss in my opinion.  If you want to go android and try it out go 
Pixel or Pixel xl, specifically wait for fall and this years new releases of 
the Google Pixel line.

Hope that helps.
 

 

> On Jun 19, 2017, at 5:17 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
>  
> I thought I’d ask this question and see what people think,
>  
> I was looking at the new Samsung Galaxy S8 today and must admit it’s a bloody 
> nicely designed device,
> However it’s an android device so it will be a very big second choice if I’m 
> to get a new phone.
>  
> A couple of things I did note from it was a couple of security features,
>  
> Facial scanning recognition for unlocking your phone and also iris scanning 
> recognition for also security like unlocking your phone etc,
>  
> Now what I want to know is,
> Will iris scanning work for a blind person?
>  
> This feature on the S8 has a depth related scanning so it can’t seemingly be 
> fooled with a photo,
> And in my case I still have my own eyes although they don’t work one is white 
> with I forget what,
> But I wonder will this work for those of us with eyeballs?
>  
> And more to the point will apple even look at these types of security 
> features in the next version of the iPhone?
>  
> Discuss!
>  
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Re: MacBook pro with touch bar.

[Scott Granados]

Hi there, so others different with me but I don’t like the built in keyboard 
and the light bar is to sensitive.  My fingers trigger things like mute and 
screen brightness when I’m typing on the top row of keys.  The keyboard is also 
very small and your fingers that tend to rest near the touch pad trigger the 
touch pad.  However, I added a Magic keyboard and mouse and love the wireless 
keyboard option.  You get the old keys back and with better feel.  The 
processing power and speed of the new laptops is very very good though.

> On Jun 16, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> 
> Wondering what others impressions have been with the MacBook pro with touch 
> bar?
> 
> 
> And how's the keyboard?
> 
> 
> I am looking at getting one.
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> 
> Sadam Ahmed
> 
> JAWS certified, 2017
> 
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Re: iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location - CNET

[Scott Granados]

I agree, more choice is a good thing.  Don’t let Uber or anyone else make this 
choice for me.  As long as there’s a knob I can control my self I’m for it.


> On Jun 19, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I agree regarding the validity.  The benefit to this feature though is the 
> choice from the user prospective.  If the user would rather not these apps do 
> this sort of thing, they can disable it.  Improves on security and a user's 
> ability to configure to their own preferences.
> 
> Later...
> 
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> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 17, 2017, at 22:29, Kevin Chao  > wrote:
> 
> There’s validity in apps like FourSquare, Yelp, etc. using location services 
> in background. E.g. It’s able to provide proactive recommendations via 
> notifications based on where I am/near without having to open the app. Same 
> goes for being able to have Uber/Lyft know where I am and arrive faster–it’s 
> a trade-off between usability and privacy.
> On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 3:54 PM Mike Arrigo  > wrote:
> Yes, this is a good thing. If you are not using an app, there is absolutely 
> no reason for it to be tracking your location, it serves no purpose and 
> probably drains the battery faster.
> > On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:36 PM, Mary Otten  > > wrote:
> >
> > Wonderful. Hopefully they won't introduce new nasty bugs, because this 
> > feature would really be welcome.
> > Mary
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:30 PM, M. Taylor  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location -
> >> CNET
> >> When iOS 11 is available later this year, users will have the option to
> >> customize how each app uses his or her location - regardless of the options
> >> a developer provides.
> >> Prior to iOS 11, users could only use one of the location access options
> >> provided by developers. That meant, for an app like Uber, you were limited
> >> to two options. If a developer didn't want to include the option for use
> >> only while you are using the app, you were stuck with Never or Always.
> >> iOS 11 now offers both privacy options for any app requesting your 
> >> location.
> >> Huge win over apps like Uber "needing" it all the time.
> >> pic.twitter.com/mZke8InSVD 
> >> - Lance Somoza (@SyrinxStarman) June 6, 2017
> >> As the above screenshot shows, iOS 11 users are finally given full control
> >> over when an app can access location data. Naturally, most users will only
> >> want that to be when he or she is, you know, actually using the app.
> >> To control each individual app, users will need to go to Settings > Privacy
> >>> Location Services to adjust individual app settings or as shown in the
> >> screenshot, iOS 11 will prompt users.
> >> As is always the case with Apple betas, the company sometimes removes or
> >> changes features before final release. We will update this post as the beta
> >> process progresses.
> >> Apple confirmed to CNET that this is indeed a feature of iOS 11.
> >> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-stop-apps-from-constantly-tracking-your-l
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Re: Which iPads run Swift Playground?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

For the most part, from the iPad Mini 2 and up, the iPad Air, the iPad Pro etc, 
Swift Playground is usable, it's the regular "iPad" models, those without any 
special designation that have the limitations.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 18, 2017, at 12:01, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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christopher hallsworth  wrote:
> Hello, I think it was iOS 10 when the Swift Playgrounds app was released.


It works on my iPad Air, which I keep up to date with the latest iOS release.

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Re: iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location - CNET

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I agree regarding the validity.  The benefit to this feature though is the 
choice from the user prospective.  If the user would rather not these apps do 
this sort of thing, they can disable it.  Improves on security and a user's 
ability to configure to their own preferences.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 17, 2017, at 22:29, Kevin Chao  wrote:

There’s validity in apps like FourSquare, Yelp, etc. using location services in 
background. E.g. It’s able to provide proactive recommendations via 
notifications based on where I am/near without having to open the app. Same 
goes for being able to have Uber/Lyft know where I am and arrive faster–it’s a 
trade-off between usability and privacy.
On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 3:54 PM Mike Arrigo > wrote:
Yes, this is a good thing. If you are not using an app, there is absolutely no 
reason for it to be tracking your location, it serves no purpose and probably 
drains the battery faster.
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:36 PM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
>
> Wonderful. Hopefully they won't introduce new nasty bugs, because this 
> feature would really be welcome.
> Mary
>
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:30 PM, M. Taylor > > wrote:
>>
>> iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location -
>> CNET
>> When iOS 11 is available later this year, users will have the option to
>> customize how each app uses his or her location - regardless of the options
>> a developer provides.
>> Prior to iOS 11, users could only use one of the location access options
>> provided by developers. That meant, for an app like Uber, you were limited
>> to two options. If a developer didn't want to include the option for use
>> only while you are using the app, you were stuck with Never or Always.
>> iOS 11 now offers both privacy options for any app requesting your location.
>> Huge win over apps like Uber "needing" it all the time.
>> pic.twitter.com/mZke8InSVD 
>> - Lance Somoza (@SyrinxStarman) June 6, 2017
>> As the above screenshot shows, iOS 11 users are finally given full control
>> over when an app can access location data. Naturally, most users will only
>> want that to be when he or she is, you know, actually using the app.
>> To control each individual app, users will need to go to Settings > Privacy
>>> Location Services to adjust individual app settings or as shown in the
>> screenshot, iOS 11 will prompt users.
>> As is always the case with Apple betas, the company sometimes removes or
>> changes features before final release. We will update this post as the beta
>> process progresses.
>> Apple confirmed to CNET that this is indeed a feature of iOS 11.
>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-stop-apps-from-constantly-tracking-your-l 
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Re: Keynote with VoiceOver

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Andrew,

The same principles apply in Keynote as in the other iWork applications. Make 
sure that Navigator is checked in the View menu so that you can see quickly how 
many slides are in the document.
Interact with the navigator and go to first item (VO-Home) to get to slide 1.
Press VO-j to get into the slide.
Go to first item again to make sure you’re at the beginning of the slide and 
use VO-Right Arrow to navigate through the items on the slide.
On my computer, Cmd-Ctrl-Right Arrow takes me to the next slide, but I can’t 
remember whether this is a standard shortcut or one I created at some point. In 
any case, you can find the shortcut in the Slide menu under Go to.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 19 Jun 2017, at 13:36, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> For the first time ever I am in the position of having to use Keynote to read 
> power point presentation which a colleague of mine has chosen as an absolute 
> preference.  Needless to say, I'm nervous.  I wanted to ask for any tips of 
> how best to proceed with Keynote as regards using it with VoiceOver.  I have 
> no sight at all so have to use speech and refreshable Braille only.
> 
> Many thanks in advance for any suggestions.
> 
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Re: MacBook pro with touch bar.

[Donna Goodin]

Hey Alex,

That was a really nice review.  Great balance between your own subjective 
reactions and impressions, and info on how things actually work.  I hadn't seen 
it when you first posted it to AppleVis, so thanks for reminding us again.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jun 18, 2017, at 6:05 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
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> Hello,
> I wrote this last year after getting my Touch Bar Pro. I still feel it's 
> accurate, having used this computer ever since then. In summary, it's fine if 
> you want the power and are willing to adapt to new, sometimes less efficient 
> ways of doing things. Those ways can sometimes be better, and sometimes 
> neither worse nor better. If you use Bootcamp, stay away from this machine, 
> as the Touch Bar doesn't work under Windows from what I hear. If you want the 
> Touch Bar to be more efficient on macOS, I don't think you will be.
> https://www.applevis.com/blog/opinion-reviews/review-2016-macbook-pro-touch-bar
>  
> 
> 
> --
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> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 16, 2017, at 18:24, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> 
>> Wondering what others impressions have been with the MacBook pro with touch 
>> bar?
>> 
>> 
>> And how's the keyboard?
>> 
>> 
>> I am looking at getting one.
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> 
>> Sadam Ahmed
>> 
>> JAWS certified, 2017
>> 
>> Mobile:
>> 
>> + 61 435 892 944
>>  FaceTime, iMessage & email
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Keynote with VoiceOver

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

For the first time ever I am in the position of having to use Keynote to read 
power point presentation which a colleague of mine has chosen as an absolute 
preference.  Needless to say, I'm nervous.  I wanted to ask for any tips of how 
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sight at all so have to use speech and refreshable Braille only.

Many thanks in advance for any suggestions.

Andrew

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new features of iPhone next gen

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi List,

I thought I'd ask this question and see what people think,

I was looking at the new Samsung Galaxy S8 today and must admit it's a bloody 
nicely designed device,
However it's an android device so it will be a very big second choice if I'm to 
get a new phone.

A couple of things I did note from it was a couple of security features,

Facial scanning recognition for unlocking your phone and also iris scanning 
recognition for also security like unlocking your phone etc,

Now what I want to know is,
Will iris scanning work for a blind person?

This feature on the S8 has a depth related scanning so it can't seemingly be 
fooled with a photo,
And in my case I still have my own eyes although they don't work one is white 
with I forget what,
But I wonder will this work for those of us with eyeballs?

And more to the point will apple even look at these types of security features 
in the next version of the iPhone?

Discuss!

Simon F

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RE: MacBook pro with touch bar.

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Alex,

Thanks for this,

Good bit of info,

I have been looking at a new machine but they wouldn’t let me customise one 
with the specs I wanted and not having the touchbar,
I only wanted the top of the line for everything without the tb as it wasn’t a 
friendly thing when I had a play withit in the store.

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On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Monday, 19 June 2017 11:05 AM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: MacBook pro with touch bar.

Hello,
I wrote this last year after getting my Touch Bar Pro. I still feel it's 
accurate, having used this computer ever since then. In summary, it's fine if 
you want the power and are willing to adapt to new, sometimes less efficient 
ways of doing things. Those ways can sometimes be better, and sometimes neither 
worse nor better. If you use Bootcamp, stay away from this machine, as the 
Touch Bar doesn't work under Windows from what I hear. If you want the Touch 
Bar to be more efficient on macOS, I don't think you will be.
https://www.applevis.com/blog/opinion-reviews/review-2016-macbook-pro-touch-bar

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On Jun 16, 2017, at 18:24, Sadam Ahmed 
> wrote:

Hi all,


Wondering what others impressions have been with the MacBook pro with touch bar?


And how's the keyboard?


I am looking at getting one.


Best,


Sadam Ahmed

JAWS certified, 2017

Mobile:

+ 61 435 892 944
 FaceTime, iMessage & email

sa...@sadamahmed.com


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RE: password management / security

[Simon Fogarty]

stuff that,
a year that’s a rip off,
thanks for the info though.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Brandon A. Olivares
Sent: Monday, 19 June 2017 5:23 AM
To: “Mac Visionaries“ 
Subject: Re: password management / security

Yeah even for individuals it's $35.88 per year now. I think it's worth it 
though.
On Jun 18, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Georgina Joyce 
> wrote:

Hello ET,

I couldn’t find a one off purchase version for a individual.

Gena

On 18 Jun 2017, at 14:35, E.T. 
> wrote:

  Yes I know about that but just to clarify, its designed for family sharing, 
not for an individual.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/18/2017 6:19 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:

Hello ET,


https://1password.com/families/



On 17 Jun 2017, at 23:47, E.T. 

> wrote:

 If you are talking about 1Password, its not subscription.
OnePass looks to be a commandline interface for 1Password.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 


On 6/17/2017 3:37 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:

Hello Simon,

If I remember right OnePass is now subscription based. So I chose
LastPass. As far as I know it is fully accessible. I can do everything I
want to and there is nothing that appears to be inaccessible. But if it
was inaccessible I wouldn’t know about it. A lot of these programs are
at least free for 30 days. As it’s different horses for different
courses you should try these 30 day offers.

Good luck.

Gena



On 17 Jun 2017, at 04:47, Simon Fogarty 


> wrote:

Hi List,

I know this subject was recently discussed but I missed the outcome,

I’m looking for a secure password manager and wondered what people use.

I would like something that I can use on my Mac Book air, iPhone and
windows notebook,
So one product that will do all platforms,

I know that colleagues at work use one called “KeePass”
And that some people on this list use I think it’s called One password,

Has anyone got any experience with the KeePass product or is the One
Password a better option,

Thoughts appreciated

Cheers,


Simon f


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RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Simon Fogarty]

$229.00 new Zealand dollars,

 And I think it was $129 usa dollars,


-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Matthew Dyer
Sent: Monday, 19 June 2017 2:19 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

Hi,

Does anyone know how much this new keyboard cost.  This would be great if it 
has a number key pad.

Matthew



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On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:40 PM
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Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

Hello, I love the Magic Keyboard and am glad the original incarnation is still 
available, together with the new Magic Keyboard 2 with numeric keypad.
> On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:25, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Actually, Mary, that’s not quite correct.  The wireless keyboards from Apple 
> (magic keyboards) are quite good and I’m like you picky about m y keyboards.  
> I do not like the one included on the laptop itself but the one I use 
> wirelessly from Apple is quite comfortable and has all the keys including 
> function.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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>> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a stereo 
>> pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act together with 
>> Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The idea that this new 
>> speaker will be smart enough to know where it is in a room and adjust its 
>> output accordingly is interesting. I am not the least bit interested in the 
>> Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is absurd for anything I would want. I'm 
>> disappointed about the mini not getting refreshed, but not surprised. And I 
>> think the new stuff for the iPad in iOS 11 has really good potential, 
>> although I will be curious to see how it all works with voiceover. I was 
>> excited about the announcement of a new Bluetooth keyboard and that includes 
>> the number pad, only to be disappointed when I realized it has the same 
>> awful feel as all of the new notebook keyboards that Apple has been 
>> producing. No key travel to speak up and no spacing between the keys. No 
>> thank you. Why oh why can't they make a keyboard that really works well for 
>> touch typist? That is after all, who does most of the serious typing in the 
>> world.
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
>>> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB of 
>>> RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device 
>>> starts a
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