How Apple leapt ahead of Google, Facebook and Microsoft on A R - CNET

[M. Taylor]

CNET News - Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 8:16 AM

How Apple leapt ahead of Google, Facebook and Microsoft on A  - CNET
 
Augmented or so-called "mixed" reality brings digital objects into the real
world.
GIF by Sean Hollister/CNET 
We knew Apple CEO Tim Cook was keenly interested in virtual reality (VR) and
augmented reality (AR). But earlier this month, Apple finally -- and openly
-- revealed its plans to the world.
Apple dedicated a significant portion of its Worldwide Developers Conference
(WWDC) to ambitious new plans to bring VR to your Mac, and A R  to your iPad
and iPhone. 
Like Facebook, Google and Microsoft -- each of which also showcased A R  and
VR plans at recent dev conferences, too -- Apple is now part of a battle for
what the future of computing might look like. 
And whether it's transporting you to faraway or imaginary places with VR, or
making virtual objects appear out of thin air with A R , the company
suddenly has skin in the game that it didn't just last month. 
Apple's success is still far from guaranteed -- but it already seems like
the company has some key advantages.
Apple didn't reply to requests for comment for this story.
Apple's A R  tech works remarkably well
WWDC was the first time Apple publicly demonstrated its A R  tech -- and
yet, it may already have the upper hand. Apple's A R Kit doesn't necessarily
work any better than, say, Google's Tango -- but Google requires special
phones bristling with optical sensors. 
We totally weren't expecting A R  to be anywhere near this good with only
the single camera of an off-the-shelf iPhone:
Overall, Apple's technique seems to do a pretty bang-up job of placing
virtual objects into the real world, without even taking advantage of the
second camera on the iPhone 6S Plus and iPhone 7 Plus. (At WWDC, Apple
announced that developers will soon be able to integrate calculations from
that second camera, too.)
Plus, the tech doesn't only work in Apple's demos at WWDC: Developers who've
installed the new iOS 11 preview build on their own iPhones and iPads A R e
uploading YouTube videos that show it works in the varying environments and
lighting conditions of the real world, too. 
An A R  marketplace that's already millions strong
While not every recent iPhone or iPad will be able to run A R  apps,
millions upon millions A R e already eligible -- and presumably, every new
iPhone and iPad from here on out. You can't say the same about Google's A R
initiative, which not only has to convince each Android hardware partners to
put a big, presumably costly Tango sensor module in the back of their
phones, but also sell consumers on those specialized handsets instead of
sleeker ones without. 
So far, only two Tango phones exist, of which one was a flop, and the other
set to be a Verizon exclusive in the US this summer. 
What if Google adopts a simpler, single-camera A R  technique too? Android
runs on so many different phones and software revisions that it might be
hard to catch up. It could be even more of a challenge for A R  rivals
Facebook, Microsoft and Snapchat, which have to build apps that run on top
of iOS and Android since they don't have popular phones of their own.
Quiet launch buys time
 
Apple's original iPhone didn't kick off the smartphone: it was predated by
the BlackBerry, the Palm Treo, Windows Phones and other devices.
James Martin/CNET 
Despite its reputation as an innovator, Apple has a long history of being
fashionably late to the party. "For us, it's never been about being first to
anything," Cook said in a WWDC interview with Bloomberg. 
"We didn't have the first MP3 player. We didn't have the first smartphone.
We didn't have the first tablet," he continued, explaining why the company's
new HomePod smart speaker -- unveiled alongside A R  and VR announcements --
was A R riving so long after Amazon's Echo and Google Home. "It's not about
being first. It's about being the best."
In almost all those cases, Apple revealed its products with a flashy
presentation to drum up consumer excitement. The company's move to A R  and
VR isn't quite the same; A R  and VR A R e being telegraphed even earlier so
app developers can begin to tinker A R ound with the tech, and so new
hardware and accessories can be lined up without piercing the veil of
secrecy.
That's important, because so far, Apple's demos don't feel like game
changers. An interactive Star Wars VR scene from Lucasfilm's Industrial
Light & Magic division? Cool, but you've been able to download a similar one
for VR-ready Windows PCs for months now. A slightly more realistic Pokemon
Go? Great, but that's so 2016. 
And while Apple's A R  demo (from Peter Jackson's company Wingnut A R ) was
graphically quite impressive, it wasn't interactive.
But Apple didn't necessarily need to wow right out of the gate. Whether it's
the next iPhone (expected in September) or even a rumored future standalone
set of "Apple Glasses," there A R e still opportunities to deliver Steve
Jobs-level oomph to mi

Safari Busy

[Nimer Jaber]

Hello,

I am wondering which browser all of you use? I often experience Safari saying 
busy, busy, busy… and it is very frustrating… I have to say that my browsing 
experience is far from delightful. Does anyone else face these experiences? If 
so, which browser do you use?

thanks.

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RE: Playing an audio file at a slower pace

[David & his pack of dogs]

Stop using Chilean Spanish.  Use a slower dialect.  

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Sent: June 20, 2017 2:07 PM
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Subject: Playing an audio file at a slower pace

Hi,

Here's my dilemma I need to solve in a day or two.  I have a video in Spanish, 
which I need to work on for my class. (I'm learning Spanish).  The dialogue in 
the video is a bit too fast.  Is there an app or a way in which I could somehow 
slow down the speech without distorting the quality so that I can understand it 
better?  I know that I can understand it but the speed is just too much at this 
stage for me.  Any ideas please?

Andrew

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Re: brf files

[David Tanner]

I did try an app called Voice braille and hit it fairly good but I'm not sure 
where they're still on the App Store or not.

David Tanner

>From my iPhone 7

> On Jun 20, 2017, at 6:23 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately, the BARD app won't read BRF files via VoiceOver only with a 
> braille display, and then, I think, only BARD BRF files.  A few years ago, 
> there was an app in the app store that would read BRF files.  I don't 
> remember what it was called, and I don't think it is there any more. I never 
> tried it, but I got the impression from reading posts about it that   it 
> didn't work very well, and did not stay around very long. 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
> 
> On Jun 20, 2017, at 5:40 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>  A couple possibilities which I have not tried. The Bard Mobile app or 
> AccessNote.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 6/20/2017 2:15 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> What is the best app for reading brf files on the iPhone?
>> Can I put these files into dropbox and load them into an app?
>> 
>> Peace,
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>> 
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>> 
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Re: Keychain issues

[John Panarese]

   Also, Safari login info can usually be found in Safari preferences. If you 
open Safari, choose preferences and then passwords. You should see a list of 
all of your logins and the passwords. You might have to authenticate with your 
account password to see the actual passwords. 

   In other words, you don't need to use Keychain Access to see Safari 
passwords, but as Dr. Carter indicated, the keychain password should be the 
same as your account password unless you reset your account password.


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> On Jun 20, 2017, at 8:10 PM, Robert Carter  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> By default, the keychain password is the same password that you use to unlock 
> your Mac.
> 
> Robert Carter
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 6:46 PM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>> 
>> Can someone explain to me how to retrieve a password stored in Keychain? I 
>> don’t recall ever setting a master Keychain password, which it asks for on 
>> my Mac when trying to retrieve one. This is a web site log in that I had 
>> automatically chosen by Safari rather than trying to remember one. Now I 
>> need said password for another device, my iPhone on a 3rd party app where it 
>> can’t just be filled in apparently. 
>> 
>> Help!
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Re: Keychain issues

[Robert Carter]

Hi,

By default, the keychain password is the same password that you use to unlock 
your Mac.

Robert Carter



Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2017, at 6:46 PM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
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> Can someone explain to me how to retrieve a password stored in Keychain? I 
> don’t recall ever setting a master Keychain password, which it asks for on my 
> Mac when trying to retrieve one. This is a web site log in that I had 
> automatically chosen by Safari rather than trying to remember one. Now I need 
> said password for another device, my iPhone on a 3rd party app where it can’t 
> just be filled in apparently. 
> 
> Help!
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Re: Latest VoiceDream Reader

[Robert Carter]

Hi,

This problem only happens when playing audio not when using text to speech. So, 
you need to try an mp3 file or some type of audio.

Thanks,

Robert Carter

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2017, at 6:36 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Obviously another feature I somehow missed remembering, changing speed while 
> reading. How is that done? Sorry for the bad memory.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 4:34 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>> 
>> I just tried it, using Alex, then Heather, and had no problems. I was able 
>> to change it both while reading, and while stopped. 
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt 
>> 
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 4:57 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> I was on able to reproduce the bug. I am using the James voice.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 4:54 PM, Robert Carter  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> For me, the ability to adjust audio speed is broken in the June 19th update 
>>> to VoiceDream Reader. If I start an audio file playing and attempt to 
>>> change the speed, the app crashes. I reported this to the developer but am 
>>> wondering whether others can reproduce this? If not, I will delete an 
>>> reinstall but don’t really want to do that if it is a bug that everybody is 
>>> experiencing.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Robert Carter
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Keychain issues

[Jenine Stanley]

Can someone explain to me how to retrieve a password stored in Keychain? I 
don’t recall ever setting a master Keychain password, which it asks for on my 
Mac when trying to retrieve one. This is a web site log in that I had 
automatically chosen by Safari rather than trying to remember one. Now I need 
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just be filled in apparently. 

Help!

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Re: Latest VoiceDream Reader

[Mary Otten]

Obviously another feature I somehow missed remembering, changing speed while 
reading. How is that done? Sorry for the bad memory.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2017, at 4:34 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> I just tried it, using Alex, then Heather, and had no problems. I was able to 
> change it both while reading, and while stopped. 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
> 
> On Jun 20, 2017, at 4:57 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I was on able to reproduce the bug. I am using the James voice.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 4:54 PM, Robert Carter  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> For me, the ability to adjust audio speed is broken in the June 19th update 
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Re: Latest VoiceDream Reader

[Arnold Schmidt]

I just tried it, using Alex, then Heather, and had no problems. I was able to 
change it both while reading, and while stopped. 

Arnold Schmidt 

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On Jun 20, 2017, at 4:57 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:

I was on able to reproduce the bug. I am using the James voice.

Sent from my IPhone


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> 
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> to VoiceDream Reader. If I start an audio file playing and attempt to change 
> the speed, the app crashes. I reported this to the developer but am wondering 
> whether others can reproduce this? If not, I will delete an reinstall but 
> don’t really want to do that if it is a bug that everybody is experiencing.
> 
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Re: brf files

[Arnold Schmidt]

Unfortunately, the BARD app won't read BRF files via VoiceOver only with a 
braille display, and then, I think, only BARD BRF files.  A few years ago, 
there was an app in the app store that would read BRF files.  I don't remember 
what it was called, and I don't think it is there any more. I never tried it, 
but I got the impression from reading posts about it that   it didn't work very 
well, and did not stay around very long. 

Arnold Schmidt 

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On Jun 20, 2017, at 5:40 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  A couple possibilities which I have not tried. The Bard Mobile app or 
AccessNote.

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> On 6/20/2017 2:15 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
> Hi all,
> What is the best app for reading brf files on the iPhone?
> Can I put these files into dropbox and load them into an app?
> 
> Peace,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>
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Re: Adding carriage returns to text file

[Tyler Thompson]

You could also use regular expressions in a wide variety of text editors to 
replace all \n characters (newline) with \r\n (basically the carriage return 
you were looking for)

Sent from my iPhone

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> I had the need to add carriage returns to a text file created on my mac so I 
> could read it properly on my braille device.  After several hours of 
> experimentation from articles found on google, I discovered that the only way 
> to accomplish this was using the “vi” program in terminal.  Here are the 
> steps:
> 
> 1.  open the terminal program.
> 2.  interact with the terminal window with vo shift down-arrow.
> 3.  if the file is not in your home directory, change to the appropriate 
> folder with the “cd” command.
> 4.  Open the file with the vi editor with “vi file”
> 5. type: “:set fileformat=dos” 
> 6.  Now save the file with “:wq”
> 
> Remember that the quotes around the above commands are NOT to be entered.
> 
> There may be other approaches, but this one is quite simple once you use it a 
> few times.
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Re: Playing an audio file at a slower pace

[Nektarios Mallas]

Hello there.
Why don’ t you just use vlc media player for that purpose? 
Start playing the file and then use alt + minus to decrease the speed and alt + 
equals to go back to normal or to make it faster if you want. 
Hope that helps.

Nektarios. 

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> 
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> Spanish, which I need to work on for my class. (I'm learning Spanish).  The 
> dialogue in the video is a bit too fast.  Is there an app or a way in which I 
> could somehow slow down the speech without distorting the quality so that I 
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Re: brf files

[E.T.]

   A couple possibilities which I have not tried. The Bard Mobile app 
or AccessNote.


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On 6/20/2017 2:15 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

Hi all,
What is the best app for reading brf files on the iPhone?
Can I put these files into dropbox and load them into an app?

Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

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Re: Playing an audio file at a slower pace

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

the following link should allow you to download QuickTime 7.  It was the old 
QuickTime Pro app from long ago.

https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT201288 


Even though it says only up to El Capitan, it still works for me in Sierra.  
When you install the QuickTime 7 app, it is placed in your Utilities folder, 
leave it there.  You can then open it, press cmd-o to open a file, locate the 
file you wish to manipulate, and open it.  Press the space bar to begin 
playing, then either go up to the Window menu and select Show A/V controls, or 
press cmd-k to open them.  Way down near the bottom of this window you'll note 
"Reverse, Forward, Half X, 1 X, 2 X etc".  Just above that, there's a slider.  
Interact with the slider and move it left to slow down and right to speed up.  
Once you've got the desired speed, you can close the window if you wish, or 
just leave it open, no matter either way.  There may be a URL error when you 
first open QuickTime 7, but just press OK and move on.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 20, 2017, at 15:06, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:

Hi,

Here's my dilemma I need to solve in a day or two.  I have a video in Spanish, 
which I need to work on for my class. (I'm learning Spanish).  The dialogue in 
the video is a bit too fast.  Is there an app or a way in which I could somehow 
slow down the speech without distorting the quality so that I can understand it 
better?  I know that I can understand it but the speed is just too much at this 
stage for me.  Any ideas please?

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brf files

[Stacey Robinson]

Hi all,
What is the best app for reading brf files on the iPhone?
Can I put these files into dropbox and load them into an app?

Peace,  
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Playing an audio file at a slower pace

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Hi,

Here's my dilemma I need to solve in a day or two.  I have a video in Spanish, 
which I need to work on for my class. (I'm learning Spanish).  The dialogue in 
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Re: Latest VoiceDream Reader

[Phil Halton]

I was on able to reproduce the bug. I am using the James voice.

Sent from my IPhone


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> 
> Hi,
> 
> For me, the ability to adjust audio speed is broken in the June 19th update 
> to VoiceDream Reader. If I start an audio file playing and attempt to change 
> the speed, the app crashes. I reported this to the developer but am wondering 
> whether others can reproduce this? If not, I will delete an reinstall but 
> don’t really want to do that if it is a bug that everybody is experiencing.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Robert Carter
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Latest VoiceDream Reader

[Robert Carter]

Hi,

For me, the ability to adjust audio speed is broken in the June 19th update to 
VoiceDream Reader. If I start an audio file playing and attempt to change the 
speed, the app crashes. I reported this to the developer but am wondering 
whether others can reproduce this? If not, I will delete an reinstall but don’t 
really want to do that if it is a bug that everybody is experiencing.

Thanks,

Robert Carter

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Adding carriage returns to text file

[Chris Moore]

Hello,
I had the need to add carriage returns to a text file created on my mac so I 
could read it properly on my braille device.  After several hours of 
experimentation from articles found on google, I discovered that the only way 
to accomplish this was using the “vi” program in terminal.  Here are the steps:

1.  open the terminal program.
2.  interact with the terminal window with vo shift down-arrow.
3.  if the file is not in your home directory, change to the appropriate folder 
with the “cd” command.
4.  Open the file with the vi editor with “vi file”
5. type: “:set fileformat=dos” 
6.  Now save the file with “:wq”

Remember that the quotes around the above commands are NOT to be entered.

There may be other approaches, but this one is quite simple once you use it a 
few times.

Chris

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Re: new features of iPhone next gen

[Jonathan Cohn]

iPhones have I believe always had an infrared detector near the top of the
phone. This is what is used to switch in / out of speaker phone mode when
VoiceOver is on.

So that could help with the not a photo issue. Just put the phone an inch
from your eye and it will un lock... lots of smiles.


On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 10:17 AM Scott Granados 
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> Hi, it all depends on the system.  In your phone you’re probably right.
> If not a picture then a mask could certainly trick the design and with 3D
> printers you could make one easily.  Higher end installations though don’t
> have this problem.  They bounce a laser or some other measuring device to
> make sure it’s real skin with a body temperature and all that.
>
>
>
> On Jun 19, 2017, at 5:56 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I think I read somewhere that facial recognition may not be as secure as
> we might like. If you show the phone a picture of the owners face that will
> unlock the phone. I am not sure where I read this, could have been Security
> Now.
> Max.
>
> On 19 Jun 2017, at 7:17 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>
> Hi List,
>
> I thought I’d ask this question and see what people think,
>
> I was looking at the new Samsung Galaxy S8 today and must admit it’s a
> bloody nicely designed device,
> However it’s an android device so it will be a very big second choice if
> I’m to get a new phone.
>
> A couple of things I did note from it was a couple of security features,
>
> Facial scanning recognition for unlocking your phone and also iris
> scanning recognition for also security like unlocking your phone etc,
>
> Now what I want to know is,
> Will iris scanning work for a blind person?
>
> This feature on the S8 has a depth related scanning so it can’t seemingly
> be fooled with a photo,
> And in my case I still have my own eyes although they don’t work one is
> white with I forget what,
> But I wonder will this work for those of us with eyeballs?
>
> And more to the point will apple even look at these types of security
> features in the next version of the iPhone?
>
> Discuss!
>
> Simon F
>
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Re: Removing an App

[Tim Kilburn]

Jonathan,

Your method works, I used to do it that way as well before I figured this one 
out.  If you think about it, it's logical.  There's quite a number of 
Contextual menu items available, VO just doesn't always properly access them 
all.  Haven't quite figured out why this is so, but it is.  You'll find that 
this method works in the table of titles in iBooks as well.  You can navigate 
to a title, press VO-shift-m and nothing happens, whereas if you press ctrl and 
click the mouse/trackpad there'll be a Contextual menu.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 20, 2017, at 14:11, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

Tim,

That is one I have never seen described before, thanks! I have resorted to 
opening the Library folder in either home, root or /System and then looking at 
the   Preference Pane Folder within  and removing from there, which is probably 
not nearly as elegant. 



On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 6:48 PM Tim Kilburn mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
Hi,

1.  Go to System Preferences.
2.  Navigate to the preference you'd like to remove.
3.  Press VO-cmd-f5 to make sure the mouse is routed to the VO Cursor.
4.  Hold down your ctrl key and click the physical mouse or trackpad.

This should bring up the Contextual menu and "Remove Preference Pane" is one of 
the options.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 19, 2017, at 16:32, E.T. mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:

  If you have either Clean My Mac or App Delete you might be able to clear this 
one out.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 

On 6/19/2017 3:14 PM, Agent086b wrote:
> Hi all,
> in system preferences I have an App called Printopia. I am unable to find a 
> way to remove it from system preferences. It is not in the Apps folder. 
> Interesting when I log in from my admin account I can not see the App. Can 
> anybody help me remove this App?
> Thanks as always for any help.
> Max.
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Re: Removing an App

[Jonathan Cohn]

Tim,

That is one I have never seen described before, thanks! I have resorted to
opening the Library folder in either home, root or /System and then looking
at the   Preference Pane Folder within  and removing from there, which is
probably not nearly as elegant.



On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 6:48 PM Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> 1.  Go to System Preferences.
> 2.  Navigate to the preference you'd like to remove.
> 3.  Press VO-cmd-f5 to make sure the mouse is routed to the VO Cursor.
> 4.  Hold down your ctrl key and click the physical mouse or trackpad.
>
> This should bring up the Contextual menu and "Remove Preference Pane" is
> one of the options.
>
> HTH.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Jun 19, 2017, at 16:32, E.T.  wrote:
>
>   If you have either Clean My Mac or App Delete you might be able to clear
> this one out.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 6/19/2017 3:14 PM, Agent086b wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > in system preferences I have an App called Printopia. I am unable to
> find a way to remove it from system preferences. It is not in the Apps
> folder. Interesting when I log in from my admin account I can not see the
> App. Can anybody help me remove this App?
> > Thanks as always for any help.
> > Max.
> >
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Re: MacBook pro with touch bar.

[Alex Hall]

Yes, Touch ID is nice for unlocking and giving administrator permission. But I 
wish it went further. I want it to authorize auto-fill on websites, to keep my 
passwords more secure. I want it to fill in Apple ID sign-in requests across 
the system. I want to use a fingerprint before selected apps will open, like 
money managers or diaries. There's a lot more Touch ID could do on macOS, and 
right now it feels under-utilized. Obviously, this can all change in the 
future, and having the hardware now means you get any improvements to its 
utility. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2017, at 10:13, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> See I totally disagree.  To me, the Mid 2015 keyboards were much more clearly 
> defined, the keys had better throw and the typing experience was better.  I’m 
> not a fan of the light bar but for this discussion that doesn’t matter since 
> we’re only talking keys here.  The flatness of the new keyboard with out any 
> elevation change between rows I also don’t particularly like.  However, add 
> on a Magic keyboard and all that stuff evaporates pretty quickly.  You get a 
> real F-Keys row back, nice throw on the keys, slightly better key elevation 
> and a good alternative for folks on my side of the coin.  I think this is a 
> very individual thing though.  I know Alex here is a big supporter of the new 
> design.  As an old talk show host who I used to love listening to used to say 
> “that’s why they make chocolate and vanilla” so we can all pick what we like 
> for our own use cases.  I will tell you one thing I do like on the new 
> models, that’s the fingerprint censor.  That’s a nice feature.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 6:22 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> You really do need to use it for a day or three. The original keyboards with 
>> the butterfly switches, found on the 2015 Retina MacBooks, were terrible. 
>> The new ones, found on the updated Retina MacBooks and the newer Pros, have 
>> a little more separation between the keys. I find it just enough to 
>> tactually distinguish each key, yet the surface area of the keys is still a 
>> little larger thus making typing easier. I'm writing on the keyboard now, 
>> and I just find it a comfortable, easy experience. But keyboards, like 
>> speech synthesizers, are very subjective. I'd recommend the OP try one out 
>> for as long as the store will let him stay so he can see exactly how it 
>> feels.
>> 
>> --
>> Alex Hall
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 05:24, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That's interesting Alex,
>>> 
>>> I haven’t used the keyboard a lot but I really don't like that keyboard on 
>>> the new mac ooks,
>>> 
>>> No real definition between them like the older style keyboards,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 20 June 2017 4:35 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: MacBook pro with touch bar.
>>> 
>>> I'll reiterate my response from that thread, in case the OP of this one 
>>> didn't see that one.
>>> 
>>> I really like the keyboard. It's comfortable after an initial period of 
>>> adjustment, and I find it easier to press keys. Moving to an older Mac now 
>>> feels like more work than I'm used to having to put into typing. The Touch 
>>> Bar is right above the numbers, so you may sometimes touch it by mistake, 
>>> but I very rarely do that. Even if I do, the concepts of iOS apply here, so 
>>> you have to double tap to activate what you touch. This means that touching 
>>> something will speak it, but not activate it. Yes, the trackpad is larger, 
>>> but I don't find that to be much of a problem. Well, not much more than in 
>>> other Macs, I should say. I've always had the problem of accidental touches 
>>> doing things, especially with Trackpad Commander on or VO set to follow the 
>>> mouse. That's annoying, but not much more so on this Mac than any other.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 19, 2017, at 10:45, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 Hi there, so others different with me but I don’t like the built in 
 keyboard and the light bar is to sensitive.  My fingers trigger things 
 like mute and screen brightness when I’m typing on the top row of keys.  
 The keyboard is also very small and your fingers that tend to rest near 
 the touch pad trigger the touch pad.  However, I added a Magic keyboard 
 and mouse and love the wireless keyboard option.  You get the old keys 
 back and with better feel.  The processing power and speed of the new 
 laptops is very very good though.
 
> On Jun 16, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> 
> Wondering what others impressions have been with the MacBook pro with 
> touch bar?
> 
> 
> And how's the keyboard?
> 
> 
> I am looking at getting one.
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> 
> Sa

Re: new features of iPhone next gen

[Scott Granados]

Hi, it all depends on the system.  In your phone you’re probably right.  If not 
a picture then a mask could certainly trick the design and with 3D printers you 
could make one easily.  Higher end installations though don’t have this 
problem.  They bounce a laser or some other measuring device to make sure it’s 
real skin with a body temperature and all that.

 

> On Jun 19, 2017, at 5:56 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I think I read somewhere that facial recognition may not be as secure as we 
> might like. If you show the phone a picture of the owners face that will 
> unlock the phone. I am not sure where I read this, could have been Security 
> Now. 
> Max.
> 
>> On 19 Jun 2017, at 7:17 pm, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>>  
>> I thought I’d ask this question and see what people think,
>>  
>> I was looking at the new Samsung Galaxy S8 today and must admit it’s a 
>> bloody nicely designed device,
>> However it’s an android device so it will be a very big second choice if I’m 
>> to get a new phone.
>>  
>> A couple of things I did note from it was a couple of security features,
>>  
>> Facial scanning recognition for unlocking your phone and also iris scanning 
>> recognition for also security like unlocking your phone etc,
>>  
>> Now what I want to know is,
>> Will iris scanning work for a blind person?
>>  
>> This feature on the S8 has a depth related scanning so it can’t seemingly be 
>> fooled with a photo,
>> And in my case I still have my own eyes although they don’t work one is 
>> white with I forget what,
>> But I wonder will this work for those of us with eyeballs?
>>  
>> And more to the point will apple even look at these types of security 
>> features in the next version of the iPhone?
>>  
>> Discuss!
>>  
>> Simon F
>>  
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Re: MacBook pro with touch bar.

[Scott Granados]

See I totally disagree.  To me, the Mid 2015 keyboards were much more clearly 
defined, the keys had better throw and the typing experience was better.  I’m 
not a fan of the light bar but for this discussion that doesn’t matter since 
we’re only talking keys here.  The flatness of the new keyboard with out any 
elevation change between rows I also don’t particularly like.  However, add on 
a Magic keyboard and all that stuff evaporates pretty quickly.  You get a real 
F-Keys row back, nice throw on the keys, slightly better key elevation and a 
good alternative for folks on my side of the coin.  I think this is a very 
individual thing though.  I know Alex here is a big supporter of the new 
design.  As an old talk show host who I used to love listening to used to say 
“that’s why they make chocolate and vanilla” so we can all pick what we like 
for our own use cases.  I will tell you one thing I do like on the new models, 
that’s the fingerprint censor.  That’s a nice feature.



> On Jun 20, 2017, at 6:22 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> You really do need to use it for a day or three. The original keyboards with 
> the butterfly switches, found on the 2015 Retina MacBooks, were terrible. The 
> new ones, found on the updated Retina MacBooks and the newer Pros, have a 
> little more separation between the keys. I find it just enough to tactually 
> distinguish each key, yet the surface area of the keys is still a little 
> larger thus making typing easier. I'm writing on the keyboard now, and I just 
> find it a comfortable, easy experience. But keyboards, like speech 
> synthesizers, are very subjective. I'd recommend the OP try one out for as 
> long as the store will let him stay so he can see exactly how it feels.
> 
> --
> Alex Hall
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 05:24, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> That's interesting Alex,
>> 
>> I haven’t used the keyboard a lot but I really don't like that keyboard on 
>> the new mac ooks,
>> 
>> No real definition between them like the older style keyboards,
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>> Sent: Tuesday, 20 June 2017 4:35 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: MacBook pro with touch bar.
>> 
>> I'll reiterate my response from that thread, in case the OP of this one 
>> didn't see that one.
>> 
>> I really like the keyboard. It's comfortable after an initial period of 
>> adjustment, and I find it easier to press keys. Moving to an older Mac now 
>> feels like more work than I'm used to having to put into typing. The Touch 
>> Bar is right above the numbers, so you may sometimes touch it by mistake, 
>> but I very rarely do that. Even if I do, the concepts of iOS apply here, so 
>> you have to double tap to activate what you touch. This means that touching 
>> something will speak it, but not activate it. Yes, the trackpad is larger, 
>> but I don't find that to be much of a problem. Well, not much more than in 
>> other Macs, I should say. I've always had the problem of accidental touches 
>> doing things, especially with Trackpad Commander on or VO set to follow the 
>> mouse. That's annoying, but not much more so on this Mac than any other.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 10:45, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi there, so others different with me but I don’t like the built in 
>>> keyboard and the light bar is to sensitive.  My fingers trigger things like 
>>> mute and screen brightness when I’m typing on the top row of keys.  The 
>>> keyboard is also very small and your fingers that tend to rest near the 
>>> touch pad trigger the touch pad.  However, I added a Magic keyboard and 
>>> mouse and love the wireless keyboard option.  You get the old keys back and 
>>> with better feel.  The processing power and speed of the new laptops is 
>>> very very good though.
>>> 
 On Jun 16, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Sadam Ahmed >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 
 Wondering what others impressions have been with the MacBook pro with 
 touch bar?
 
 
 And how's the keyboard?
 
 
 I am looking at getting one.
 
 
 Best,
 
 
 Sadam Ahmed
 
 JAWS certified, 2017
 
 Mobile:
 
 + 61 435 892 944
 FaceTime, iMessage & email
 
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Re: MacBook pro with touch bar.

[Alex Hall]

I find it to be no louder or quieter than previous models with how I type. 
However, the keys are so easy to press that I can make it quieter than usual if 
I concentrate on not whacking keys how I normally do. Basically, it's a laptop, 
and most laptop keyboards make some kind of sound, especially for fast typists. 
This Pro is no different, and is certainly quieter than some I've heard in the 
past.

--
Alex Hall




> On Jun 20, 2017, at 06:26, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alex,
> 
> what do you think of the noise the keys make when typing? For me it’s a more 
> comfortable typing for my fingers but quite loud. What’s your impression?
> 
> Jürgen
> 
>> Am 20.06.2017 um 12:22 schrieb Alex Hall > >:
>> 
>> You really do need to use it for a day or three. The original keyboards with 
>> the butterfly switches, found on the 2015 Retina MacBooks, were terrible. 
>> The new ones, found on the updated Retina MacBooks and the newer Pros, have 
>> a little more separation between the keys. I find it just enough to 
>> tactually distinguish each key, yet the surface area of the keys is still a 
>> little larger thus making typing easier. I'm writing on the keyboard now, 
>> and I just find it a comfortable, easy experience. But keyboards, like 
>> speech synthesizers, are very subjective. I'd recommend the OP try one out 
>> for as long as the store will let him stay so he can see exactly how it 
>> feels.
>> 
>> --
>> Alex Hall
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 05:24, Simon Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> That's interesting Alex,
>>> 
>>> I haven’t used the keyboard a lot but I really don't like that keyboard on 
>>> the new mac ooks,
>>> 
>>> No real definition between them like the older style keyboards,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> ] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 20 June 2017 4:35 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: MacBook pro with touch bar.
>>> 
>>> I'll reiterate my response from that thread, in case the OP of this one 
>>> didn't see that one.
>>> 
>>> I really like the keyboard. It's comfortable after an initial period of 
>>> adjustment, and I find it easier to press keys. Moving to an older Mac now 
>>> feels like more work than I'm used to having to put into typing. The Touch 
>>> Bar is right above the numbers, so you may sometimes touch it by mistake, 
>>> but I very rarely do that. Even if I do, the concepts of iOS apply here, so 
>>> you have to double tap to activate what you touch. This means that touching 
>>> something will speak it, but not activate it. Yes, the trackpad is larger, 
>>> but I don't find that to be much of a problem. Well, not much more than in 
>>> other Macs, I should say. I've always had the problem of accidental touches 
>>> doing things, especially with Trackpad Commander on or VO set to follow the 
>>> mouse. That's annoying, but not much more so on this Mac than any other.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 19, 2017, at 10:45, Scott Granados >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi there, so others different with me but I don’t like the built in 
 keyboard and the light bar is to sensitive.  My fingers trigger things 
 like mute and screen brightness when I’m typing on the top row of keys.  
 The keyboard is also very small and your fingers that tend to rest near 
 the touch pad trigger the touch pad.  However, I added a Magic keyboard 
 and mouse and love the wireless keyboard option.  You get the old keys 
 back and with better feel.  The processing power and speed of the new 
 laptops is very very good though.
 
> On Jun 16, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Sadam Ahmed  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> 
> Wondering what others impressions have been with the MacBook pro with 
> touch bar?
> 
> 
> And how's the keyboard?
> 
> 
> I am looking at getting one.
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> 
> Sadam Ahmed
> 
> JAWS certified, 2017
> 
> Mobile:
> 
> + 61 435 892 944
> FaceTime, iMessage & email
> 
> sa...@sadamahmed.com 
> 
> 
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Re: MacBook pro with touch bar.

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Alex,

what do you think of the noise the keys make when typing? For me it’s a more 
comfortable typing for my fingers but quite loud. What’s your impression?

Jürgen

> Am 20.06.2017 um 12:22 schrieb Alex Hall  >:
> 
> You really do need to use it for a day or three. The original keyboards with 
> the butterfly switches, found on the 2015 Retina MacBooks, were terrible. The 
> new ones, found on the updated Retina MacBooks and the newer Pros, have a 
> little more separation between the keys. I find it just enough to tactually 
> distinguish each key, yet the surface area of the keys is still a little 
> larger thus making typing easier. I'm writing on the keyboard now, and I just 
> find it a comfortable, easy experience. But keyboards, like speech 
> synthesizers, are very subjective. I'd recommend the OP try one out for as 
> long as the store will let him stay so he can see exactly how it feels.
> 
> --
> Alex Hall
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 05:24, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> That's interesting Alex,
>> 
>> I haven’t used the keyboard a lot but I really don't like that keyboard on 
>> the new mac ooks,
>> 
>> No real definition between them like the older style keyboards,
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>> Sent: Tuesday, 20 June 2017 4:35 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: MacBook pro with touch bar.
>> 
>> I'll reiterate my response from that thread, in case the OP of this one 
>> didn't see that one.
>> 
>> I really like the keyboard. It's comfortable after an initial period of 
>> adjustment, and I find it easier to press keys. Moving to an older Mac now 
>> feels like more work than I'm used to having to put into typing. The Touch 
>> Bar is right above the numbers, so you may sometimes touch it by mistake, 
>> but I very rarely do that. Even if I do, the concepts of iOS apply here, so 
>> you have to double tap to activate what you touch. This means that touching 
>> something will speak it, but not activate it. Yes, the trackpad is larger, 
>> but I don't find that to be much of a problem. Well, not much more than in 
>> other Macs, I should say. I've always had the problem of accidental touches 
>> doing things, especially with Trackpad Commander on or VO set to follow the 
>> mouse. That's annoying, but not much more so on this Mac than any other.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 10:45, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi there, so others different with me but I don’t like the built in 
>>> keyboard and the light bar is to sensitive.  My fingers trigger things like 
>>> mute and screen brightness when I’m typing on the top row of keys.  The 
>>> keyboard is also very small and your fingers that tend to rest near the 
>>> touch pad trigger the touch pad.  However, I added a Magic keyboard and 
>>> mouse and love the wireless keyboard option.  You get the old keys back and 
>>> with better feel.  The processing power and speed of the new laptops is 
>>> very very good though.
>>> 
 On Jun 16, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Sadam Ahmed >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 
 Wondering what others impressions have been with the MacBook pro with 
 touch bar?
 
 
 And how's the keyboard?
 
 
 I am looking at getting one.
 
 
 Best,
 
 
 Sadam Ahmed
 
 JAWS certified, 2017
 
 Mobile:
 
 + 61 435 892 944
 FaceTime, iMessage & email
 
 sa...@sadamahmed.com 
 
 
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Re: MacBook pro with touch bar.

[Alex Hall]

You really do need to use it for a day or three. The original keyboards with 
the butterfly switches, found on the 2015 Retina MacBooks, were terrible. The 
new ones, found on the updated Retina MacBooks and the newer Pros, have a 
little more separation between the keys. I find it just enough to tactually 
distinguish each key, yet the surface area of the keys is still a little larger 
thus making typing easier. I'm writing on the keyboard now, and I just find it 
a comfortable, easy experience. But keyboards, like speech synthesizers, are 
very subjective. I'd recommend the OP try one out for as long as the store will 
let him stay so he can see exactly how it feels.

--
Alex Hall




> On Jun 20, 2017, at 05:24, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> That's interesting Alex,
> 
> I haven’t used the keyboard a lot but I really don't like that keyboard on 
> the new mac ooks,
> 
> No real definition between them like the older style keyboards,
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Tuesday, 20 June 2017 4:35 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: MacBook pro with touch bar.
> 
> I'll reiterate my response from that thread, in case the OP of this one 
> didn't see that one.
> 
> I really like the keyboard. It's comfortable after an initial period of 
> adjustment, and I find it easier to press keys. Moving to an older Mac now 
> feels like more work than I'm used to having to put into typing. The Touch 
> Bar is right above the numbers, so you may sometimes touch it by mistake, but 
> I very rarely do that. Even if I do, the concepts of iOS apply here, so you 
> have to double tap to activate what you touch. This means that touching 
> something will speak it, but not activate it. Yes, the trackpad is larger, 
> but I don't find that to be much of a problem. Well, not much more than in 
> other Macs, I should say. I've always had the problem of accidental touches 
> doing things, especially with Trackpad Commander on or VO set to follow the 
> mouse. That's annoying, but not much more so on this Mac than any other.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 10:45, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there, so others different with me but I don’t like the built in keyboard 
>> and the light bar is to sensitive.  My fingers trigger things like mute and 
>> screen brightness when I’m typing on the top row of keys.  The keyboard is 
>> also very small and your fingers that tend to rest near the touch pad 
>> trigger the touch pad.  However, I added a Magic keyboard and mouse and love 
>> the wireless keyboard option.  You get the old keys back and with better 
>> feel.  The processing power and speed of the new laptops is very very good 
>> though.
>> 
>>> On Jun 16, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Wondering what others impressions have been with the MacBook pro with touch 
>>> bar?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> And how's the keyboard?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I am looking at getting one.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sadam Ahmed
>>> 
>>> JAWS certified, 2017
>>> 
>>> Mobile:
>>> 
>>> + 61 435 892 944
>>> FaceTime, iMessage & email
>>> 
>>> sa...@sadamahmed.com
>>> 
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RE: new features of iPhone next gen

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Kawal,

 It's a practice thing,

 I'm lucky in that I've seen before but still it takes practise pointing the 
camera in the correct direction and getting it rightish.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Tuesday, 20 June 2017 7:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new features of iPhone next gen

Hi Kawal, Voice Over already has aiming and focusing tips in the camera app 
that use face detection.  Tells you for example “a face near the center of the 
photo”.

The good thing about face detection and recognition is you need be much less 
precise than with iris scanning.  With an iris or retina scan you have to look 
at a dot and focus on it while not moving.  With facial recognition you just 
need to be in the frame.  The better software out there can identify you even 
at an off angle.

Hope that helps.


> On Jun 19, 2017, at 3:47 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott and others.
> 
> How the hell is a blind person to use a phone if one has to use face 
> recognition?  I for one have no sight, have never seen and can't even hold a 
> phone steady or in the right position for a picture to do its work.  I've 
> even tried Tap tap C to aim the phone at something and it aims at the wrong 
> thing.  So you know what I'm getting at.  May be Apple will do something with 
> Voice Over to make face recognition do something for a blind person.  They 
> normally work round these kinds of things but if they can't this time then 
> that will be a first hey!
>> On 19 Jun 2017, at 15:53, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Simon,
>> 
>> The new iPhone is projected to have some sort of facial recognition. 
>>  The retinal scanning it’s been my experience does not work for a blind 
>> person.  I have tried to use this in data centers instead of palm prints or 
>> facial recognition and the systems require the user to focus on a point.  If 
>> you can’t see and focus on the point you’re a no go.  Your mileage may vary 
>> as I do not have retinas and irises to scan.  It’s more than just pointing 
>> your eyeball at a screen though if that helps.
>> 
>> As for the S8 in general, you do not want th is phone it’s largely garbage.  
>> The finger print reader is right next to the camera so you smudge your 
>> camera continuously, the phone has had issues with crashing, it’s under 
>> powered using the Snap Dragon processors, and there’s a really bad 
>> implementation of the virtual home button.  There are some interesting 
>> cellular features but over all the phone is a miss in my opinion.  If you 
>> want to go android and try it out go Pixel or Pixel xl, specifically wait 
>> for fall and this years new releases of the Google Pixel line.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 5:17 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi List,
>>> 
>>> I thought I’d ask this question and see what people think,
>>> 
>>> I was looking at the new Samsung Galaxy S8 today and must admit it’s 
>>> a bloody nicely designed device, However it’s an android device so it will 
>>> be a very big second choice if I’m to get a new phone.
>>> 
>>> A couple of things I did note from it was a couple of security 
>>> features,
>>> 
>>> Facial scanning recognition for unlocking your phone and also iris 
>>> scanning recognition for also security like unlocking your phone 
>>> etc,
>>> 
>>> Now what I want to know is,
>>> Will iris scanning work for a blind person?
>>> 
>>> This feature on the S8 has a depth related scanning so it can’t 
>>> seemingly be fooled with a photo, And in my case I still have my own 
>>> eyes although they don’t work one is white with I forget what, But I wonder 
>>> will this work for those of us with eyeballs?
>>> 
>>> And more to the point will apple even look at these types of security 
>>> features in the next version of the iPhone?
>>> 
>>> Discuss!
>>> 
>>> Simon F
>>> 
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RE: password management / security

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Tim,

My main reason for looking at this type of service is due to a stuff up I made 
recently when resetting passwords on my servers,

I made the change for the admin accounts and then promptly forgot the password 
I changed to.

Oh well I’ll get back in at some point soon.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Tuesday, 20 June 2017 5:48 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: password management / security

More good info.  Thanks Jonathan.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:33, Jonathan Cohn 
mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I believe the place 1 Password still shines brighter then Apple equivalents is 
the ability to share Vaults within teams. This functionality seems very well 
thought out, and allows one to easily control who has access to what services.

I also like the multi-word password generator scheme in one password. Sure, I 
could create code that would do the equivalent in about 15 lines of perl code., 
but I believe they gave a little more thought to the process. Also good for 
learning new vocabulary.

I believe  one password  ignores the HTML attributes used to tell browsers to 
not save passwords.

But yes, it probably is a bit over kill especially if you have no need to share 
passwords with others. An properly encrypted spreadsheet could perform most of 
the functions of 1 password that are not done with KeyChain.  Though I do trust 
Agile Bits  to create  a encryption that is  hard to crack.
  .

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 12:33 PM Tim Kilburn 
mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
Hi,

iCloud Keychain does all that as well.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 19, 2017, at 10:11, Brandon Olivares 
mailto:thepianist2...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Honestly I like it because I can store more than just passwords in it. I keep 
my credit card information in 1Password, as well as banking information, server 
connection details, my PIN for EFTPS for paying taxes, etc, etc. Plus it can 
generate secure passwords for me with the criteria I choose. So it's one handy 
place to store everything.

Brandon


Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:41, Tim Kilburn 
mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
Thanks Scott and ET.  For now, I'm not interested in getting an Android, nor do 
I use Windows other than for AD stuff at work.  Sounds like I'm fine with 
iCloud Keychain.

Good info.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 19, 2017, at 09:33, E.T. 
mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:

Tim,
  This is one of those things that falls under those "I don't know what I am 
missing" categories. I had started with RoboForm under Windows many eons ago so 
to me it was a natural to install 1Password.

  1Password probably duplicates many functions that are built into Apple such 
as secure notes, and so on but its a nice tidy package. You could try it free 
for 30 days and see for yourself.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/19/2017 8:25 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

Just because I've never bothered with this sort of service, I have a
possibly silly question.  What advantage do services like this have over
Apple's built-in iCloud Keychain?  Do they handle more types of
passwords or something?  iCloud Keychain syncs across devices, remembers
passwords to all your Safari sites, all your WiFi networks and more.
It's all I've ever needed so far, but would be interested in other's
prospective.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 19, 2017, at 00:49, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>
> wrote:

stuff that,
a year that’s a rip off,
thanks for the info though.

*From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Brandon A. Olivares
*Sent:* Monday, 19 June 2017 5:23 AM
*To:* “Mac Visionaries“ 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>
*Subject:* Re: password management / security

Yeah even for individuals it's $35.88 per year now. I think it's worth
it though.

   On Jun 18, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Georgina Joyce 
mailto:g...@gena-j.me.uk>
   > wrote:

   Hello ET,

   I couldn’t find a one off purchase version for a individual.

   Gena


   On 18 Jun 2017, at 14:35, E.T. 
mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
   > wrote:

 Yes I know about that but just to clarify, its designed for
   family sharing, not for an individual.

   From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, 

RE: MacBook pro with touch bar.

[Simon Fogarty]

That's interesting Alex,

I haven’t used the keyboard a lot but I really don't like that keyboard on the 
new mac ooks,

 No real definition between them like the older style keyboards,
 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Tuesday, 20 June 2017 4:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MacBook pro with touch bar.

I'll reiterate my response from that thread, in case the OP of this one didn't 
see that one.

I really like the keyboard. It's comfortable after an initial period of 
adjustment, and I find it easier to press keys. Moving to an older Mac now 
feels like more work than I'm used to having to put into typing. The Touch Bar 
is right above the numbers, so you may sometimes touch it by mistake, but I 
very rarely do that. Even if I do, the concepts of iOS apply here, so you have 
to double tap to activate what you touch. This means that touching something 
will speak it, but not activate it. Yes, the trackpad is larger, but I don't 
find that to be much of a problem. Well, not much more than in other Macs, I 
should say. I've always had the problem of accidental touches doing things, 
especially with Trackpad Commander on or VO set to follow the mouse. That's 
annoying, but not much more so on this Mac than any other.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 19, 2017, at 10:45, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi there, so others different with me but I don’t like the built in keyboard 
> and the light bar is to sensitive.  My fingers trigger things like mute and 
> screen brightness when I’m typing on the top row of keys.  The keyboard is 
> also very small and your fingers that tend to rest near the touch pad trigger 
> the touch pad.  However, I added a Magic keyboard and mouse and love the 
> wireless keyboard option.  You get the old keys back and with better feel.  
> The processing power and speed of the new laptops is very very good though.
> 
>> On Jun 16, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> 
>> Wondering what others impressions have been with the MacBook pro with touch 
>> bar?
>> 
>> 
>> And how's the keyboard?
>> 
>> 
>> I am looking at getting one.
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> 
>> Sadam Ahmed
>> 
>> JAWS certified, 2017
>> 
>> Mobile:
>> 
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