Re: About Internet Access Via BPM and Airport Routers

[Sharon Hooley]

 you for all the definitions.  I’m keepingthis.

> On Jun 24, 2017, at 1:24 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I believe what you are asking is can a VPN provide the same level of access 
> to a Wirelesss Local network  as if you were you were able to communicate 
> with the hotspots at the remote location.
> 
> The simple answer is only if the remote location also has a VPN server that 
> you have VPN software for.
> 
> I am going to review a few networking terms below that might help you 
> understand. in the below definitions internet is in lower case unless it is 
> preceded by the word: "the" 
> 
> network: a group of computers that are connected together to allow them to 
> access each other.
> hub: a device to connect computers together in a network. Multiple hubs can 
> be connected together to create a larger network.
> switch: This is essentially a hub but has some more advanced software to 
> allow quicker communication between systems. Hub, switch, access point, hot 
> spot all essentially provide the same service at this level.
> internet: (with a lower case i) This is a group of at least two networks 
> connected together. 
> router: The device used to connect two networks together.
> client: a computer asking for a service on the network. This can be either at 
> the machine level or the software level. So you could call your Macintosh a 
> client or you could call Firefox a client. But Apache web server is not a 
> client.
> Server: What a client talks to to get information this can be local, or 
> remote. There are also cloud based servers which means that multiple machines 
> could serve a clients request equally well. 
> peer-to-peer: Sometimes there is no obvious client and server (bit torrent is 
> the best known protocol for this) so a server one minute could become a 
> client the next.
> 
> Now we get to VPN.
> VPN stands for Virtual Private Network, but these days that is not the only 
> function that VPN technology provides.
> A VPN can make either a computer or network behave as though it is part of 
> another network. 
> 
> The original use was lets say company My Toys has offices in Chicago, 
> Atlanta, and Sanfrancisco. Before  the internet to have these offices   
> communicate one would purchase two or three private digital connections 
> between the sites ab $500 to $1000. Now when the three sites connected to the 
> Internet it was realized that the offices could communicate with each other 
> over the Internet but there was no way to verify that nobody saw  that 
> communication. So on the routers if traffic was going from San Francisco to 
> Atlanta the router  connecting the Sanfancisco office to the Internet grabs 
> the data encrypts it and sends the results to the router connecting the 
> Atlanta office to the Internet.  rather than the destination. The Atlanta 
> router would then decrypt the information and send it to the final 
> destination within the Atlanta network. 
> 
> Now this technology is also used for:
> 1. Preventing snooping of traffic on insecure hotspots.
> 2. Pretending you are browsing the web from a different city then where you 
> really are.
> 3. Providing telephone and private server access for remote users.
> 
> 
> . 
> 
> HTH
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
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Re: I Mac Pro.

[Terje Strømberg]

The speakers on the iMac is good for voice over speech synthesis sound.

Take care

> 24. jun. 2017 kl. 19.24 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu :
> 
> My first computer when I came to the Mac world was a Mac book, 2010.  Not 
> sure if it was early or late addition as at that time I was in the US on 
> holiday and got one from there and bought it back to the UK.  I think after a 
> few years, I wanted a change as I didn't want a computer which had a battery 
> in it.  I prefer the I Mac line because the machine can sit on the back of my 
> desk and I have a lot of room in the front.  I might have no vision but I 
> like the feel of the beautiful screen.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 24 Jun 2017, at 12:20, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:
>> 
>> Well in fact, my first Mac was a Mac Pro. The main reason to get one was I 
>> refused to pay for a massive screen on the iMac which I didn’t need as a 
>> blind person. Secondly I wanted to turn off the screen permanently. The 
>> price was roughly the same as the top of the bill iMac at that time, 
>> although the Pro is of course more expensive if you consider it comes 
>> without a screen. I had an older lcd monitor which suited fine.
>> Thats why I will wait for the new Mac Pro to see if its interesting for me.
>> But when I go for the iMac Pro I never gonna get it maxed out to 18000. When 
>> I really need the power I definitely go for the new Mac Pro, which will be 
>> of a modular design, and therefor easily expandible. 
>> 
>> Ronald
>> 
>>> Op 24 jun. 2017, om 02:32 heeft Karen Lewellen  
>>> het volgende geschreven:
>>> 
>>> I must agree,
>>> after all how do you know what this individual can appreciate?
>>> I say if the Mercedes fits, drive it!
>>> Kare
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, 23 Jun 2017, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 It's a matter of choice.  Whether a blind person is the person purchasing 
 it shouldn't be the crutch mentioned here.  Just because you can't see the 
 screen, doesn't mean that you shouldn't desire a higher end computer.  
 Now, what really needs to be considered in my opinion, is the tasks and 
 such that will be accomplished on the computer.  In many cases, a high-end 
 iMac itself would likely perform tasks very well, but it's entirely up to 
 the person who's making the purchase.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 23, 2017, at 16:51, Daniel Miller  wrote:
 
 If you want to spend what will probably amount to nearly $18000 on a 
 computer that has so much power that the average blind person doesn’t 
 need, go right ahead.
> On Jun 23, 2017, at 6:35 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> And scott,
> 
> 
> A screen that a blind person can't appreciate!
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Saturday, 24 June 2017 2:01 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I Mac Pro.
> 
> I really do need to work for you, you’re talking tens of thousands to do 
> that most likely.  A maxed unit has 128 GB of ram, 16 GB of video memory, 
> 18 cores, 4 TB of storage and so forth.  That will be one hell of a 
> machine.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 4:58 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> And Scott, I am going to max it out,  Maximum memory, maximum ram and 
>> may be I won't need to change that machine for a number of years!  I 
>> just want a new gadget although I will probably want quite a few new 
>> apple gadgets.
>>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 21:34, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I need to come work for you if you’re running around with iMac pro 
>>> money.;)
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 22, 2017, at 4:31 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  
 wrote:
 
 I am thinking of buying the new I Mac Pro when it is released in 
 December.  It's been almost 5 years since I've had my I Mac.  I am 
 rather excited that a new I Mac is on the way.  I will be looking for 
 anyone in the UK on this list who may want an I Mac as I am going to 
 sell this one as cheaply as possible around the three or £400 mark.  I 
 am just letting those of you know who live in the UK to find out if 
 anyone will want an I Mac come Christmas time.
 
 I hope the new I Mac Pro will have the same screen width as this one 
 just about fits on the back of my desk as I have the 27 inch model.
 Kawal.
 
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Re: IMovie with voiceover

[Kliphton Miller]

Quick time is great too.
> On Jun 24, 2017, at 4:47 PM, Likidefs  wrote:
> 
> If anyone knows another video editing software that is accessible besides 
> iMovie, please let me know. I'll try to figure out how it works or try to 
> find another software it's more accessible. I'll let you know if you wish. 
> Thank you very much for your time.
> Steve
> 
> 
> 23 Ιουν 2017, 8:16 πμ, ο/η David & his pack of dogs  
> έγραψε:
> 
>> I think the stance is, how can they edit something they can not see?  Faulty 
>> but, sadly, true.  
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Thacker Jr.
>> Sent: June 22, 2017 6:56 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: IMovie with voiceover
>> 
>> I asked the same question a while back, and the answer was not encouraging.  
>> I am sorry I don’t remember the details anymore, but I was able to do some 
>> simple editing by using menu commands.  From within the clip you can use 
>> menu commands to split a single clip and then a trim from beginning (I think 
>> that’s what it was) to cut away the piece you don’t want.  It is very 
>> tedious, so I too will be interested if someone knows a better way.  
>> Unfortunately it has not occurred even to the usually  accommodating folks 
>> at apple that blind people do have need to edit video.
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 4:34 PM, Likidefs  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi guys,
>>> I'd like some help with iMovie. I have searched around the net, but they 
>>> found nothing. 
>>> I want to process some videos. Trim them, join them together, put some 
>>> narration on them etc. Does anyone have any idea how to do that or where 
>>> can I find a tutorial?
>>> Thanks
>>> Steve  
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Re: IMovie with voiceover

[Daniela Rubio]

Hello all!

I use iMovie to create videos, add transitions, tittles, etc, but I use all my 
clips already edited.

Yes, editing is very absurd with iMovie, but youse MPG stream clip from 
Squared5 to trim and edit my clips, and when they are exactly as I want them, 
then I use iMovie to create all the decorations, put music, etc.

MGP Stream clip is a very simple, yet powerful little piece of software and you 
can edit video in many formats, audio, etc.

Hope it helps!


> El 23 jun 2017, a las 3:56, Larry Thacker Jr.  
> escribió:
> 
> I asked the same question a while back, and the answer was not encouraging.  
> I am sorry I don’t remember the details anymore, but I was able to do some 
> simple editing by using menu commands.  From within the clip you can use menu 
> commands to split a single clip and then a trim from beginning (I think 
> that’s what it was) to cut away the piece you don’t want.  It is very 
> tedious, so I too will be interested if someone knows a better way.  
> Unfortunately it has not occurred even to the usually  accommodating folks at 
> apple that blind people do have need to edit video.
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 4:34 PM, Likidefs  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi guys,
>> I'd like some help with iMovie. I have searched around the net, but they 
>> found nothing. 
>> I want to process some videos. Trim them, join them together, put some 
>> narration on them etc. Does anyone have any idea how to do that or where can 
>> I find a tutorial?
>> Thanks
>> Steve  
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Re: IMovie with voiceover

[Likidefs]

If anyone knows another video editing software that is accessible besides 
iMovie, please let me know. I'll try to figure out how it works or try to find 
another software it's more accessible. I'll let you know if you wish. Thank you 
very much for your time.
Steve


23 Ιουν 2017, 8:16 πμ, ο/η David & his pack of dogs  
έγραψε:

> I think the stance is, how can they edit something they can not see?  Faulty 
> but, sadly, true.  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Thacker Jr.
> Sent: June 22, 2017 6:56 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IMovie with voiceover
> 
> I asked the same question a while back, and the answer was not encouraging.  
> I am sorry I don’t remember the details anymore, but I was able to do some 
> simple editing by using menu commands.  From within the clip you can use menu 
> commands to split a single clip and then a trim from beginning (I think 
> that’s what it was) to cut away the piece you don’t want.  It is very 
> tedious, so I too will be interested if someone knows a better way.  
> Unfortunately it has not occurred even to the usually  accommodating folks at 
> apple that blind people do have need to edit video.
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 4:34 PM, Likidefs  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi guys,
>> I'd like some help with iMovie. I have searched around the net, but they 
>> found nothing. 
>> I want to process some videos. Trim them, join them together, put some 
>> narration on them etc. Does anyone have any idea how to do that or where can 
>> I find a tutorial?
>> Thanks
>> Steve  
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Re: Safari Busy

[Ray Foret jr]

Interesting.  Well, I was using the inhanced version of Tom, (the voice I 
always use for VO nowadays).  I saw that a number of other google voices were 
available but could only identify Lowis as a US English voice and a couple of 
UK voices and some others that looked like they were not English.  
Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jun 24, 2017, at 1:14 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Which voice did you use? With many of the mac voices chromevox is very 
> unresponsive, using one of the google voices works much better.
>> On Jun 24, 2017, at 6:24 AM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
>> 
>> For my part, I found Chromevox so sluggish while running Voice Over that I 
>> offloaded it from my Mac.  It didn’t seem to aknowledge key presses at all.  
>> Tried trning VO off and no good.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Jun 24, 2017, at 12:47 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can ChromeVox be activated and deactivated on the fly?  In the past, there 
>>> were issues if the two were running simultaneously and one had to off-load 
>>> VoiceOver to run ChromeVox.  Still the case?
>>> 
>>> Andrew
 On 23 Jun 2017, at 03:36, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I use both.  Normally, when I go into Chrome, it's because something isn't 
 working right in Safari, so I use ChromeVox.  When in some G Suite 
 features like Docs and Sheets, ChromeVox works better.  The Admin Panel 
 within the G Suite is also easier to navigate with ChromeVox, although 
 there are times that I turn VO on to navigate tables more easily.  That 
 could be just me not knowing all the proper CV tricks, or it could be that 
 VO handles them better, I'm not sure.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 22, 2017, at 15:34, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
 
 When using chrome, do you use voiceover or chromevox? I find the access 
 with voiceover similar in both browsers, but there are times when 
 chromevox will allow access to a site that voiceover has a problem with.
> On Jun 22, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> That’s pretty much my use case as well.  If Safari chokes on a site 
> chrome usually gets it done and vise versa.  Also, there are times when 
> things on safari aren’t accessible but more controls and features are 
> available on chrome.
> 
> 
> On the windows side I used to use Firefox as well as a third option but 
> on the Mac have been pretty much a safari and chrome user.
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:35 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Actually, Chrome works very well on a Mac.  It handles Google Apps 
>> services slightly better than Safari does.  It works well with VO, as in 
>> things like the Item Chooser and other web-router items work fairly well 
>> in it.  I swap back and forth between the two quite often when certain 
>> sites are not behaving themselves in either browser.  Many sighted users 
>> in our schools also switch back and forth when something is not 
>> cooperating.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 14:25, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> It's an android browser, and not relevant if you're using a Mac.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
>> 
>>> I will not touch Google Crome:  but, what is this here thing called 
>>> Lightning Browser?  I reckon it’s accessible?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the 
>>> blind built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon 
>>> Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Jun 21, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Anders Holmberg  
 wrote:
 
 Hi!
 Have you tried with lightning webbrowser or google chrome?
 /A
> 21 juni 2017 kl. 16:48 skrev Ray Foret jr :
> 
> Well, one thing’s for sure.  You can forget 
> www.walmart.com
> 
> With the Mac, the site is totally impossible to log in to.  You get 
> stuck and cannot go anywhere.
> 
> You actually have to force quit Safari to be able to do anything with 
> it at all afterward.
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for

Re: About Internet Access Via BPM and Airport Routers

[Jonathan Cohn]

I believe what you are asking is can a VPN provide the same level of access to 
a Wirelesss Local network  as if you were you were able to communicate with the 
hotspots at the remote location.

The simple answer is only if the remote location also has a VPN server that you 
have VPN software for.

I am going to review a few networking terms below that might help you 
understand. in the below definitions internet is in lower case unless it is 
preceded by the word: "the" 

network: a group of computers that are connected together to allow them to 
access each other.
hub: a device to connect computers together in a network. Multiple hubs can be 
connected together to create a larger network.
switch: This is essentially a hub but has some more advanced software to allow 
quicker communication between systems. Hub, switch, access point, hot spot all 
essentially provide the same service at this level.
internet: (with a lower case i) This is a group of at least two networks 
connected together. 
router: The device used to connect two networks together.
client: a computer asking for a service on the network. This can be either at 
the machine level or the software level. So you could call your Macintosh a 
client or you could call Firefox a client. But Apache web server is not a 
client.
Server: What a client talks to to get information this can be local, or remote. 
There are also cloud based servers which means that multiple machines could 
serve a clients request equally well. 
peer-to-peer: Sometimes there is no obvious client and server (bit torrent is 
the best known protocol for this) so a server one minute could become a client 
the next.

Now we get to VPN.
VPN stands for Virtual Private Network, but these days that is not the only 
function that VPN technology provides.
A VPN can make either a computer or network behave as though it is part of 
another network. 

The original use was lets say company My Toys has offices in Chicago, Atlanta, 
and Sanfrancisco. Before  the internet to have these offices   communicate one 
would purchase two or three private digital connections between the sites ab 
$500 to $1000. Now when the three sites connected to the Internet it was 
realized that the offices could communicate with each other over the Internet 
but there was no way to verify that nobody saw  that communication. So on the 
routers if traffic was going from San Francisco to Atlanta the router  
connecting the Sanfancisco office to the Internet grabs the data encrypts it 
and sends the results to the router connecting the Atlanta office to the 
Internet.  rather than the destination. The Atlanta router would then decrypt 
the information and send it to the final destination within the Atlanta 
network. 

Now this technology is also used for:
1. Preventing snooping of traffic on insecure hotspots.
2. Pretending you are browsing the web from a different city then where you 
really are.
3. Providing telephone and private server access for remote users.


. 

HTH

Jonathan Cohn 

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Re: Safari Busy

[Mike Arrigo]

Which voice did you use? With many of the mac voices chromevox is very 
unresponsive, using one of the google voices works much better.
> On Jun 24, 2017, at 6:24 AM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> For my part, I found Chromevox so sluggish while running Voice Over that I 
> offloaded it from my Mac.  It didn’t seem to aknowledge key presses at all.  
> Tried trning VO off and no good.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Jun 24, 2017, at 12:47 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>> Can ChromeVox be activated and deactivated on the fly?  In the past, there 
>> were issues if the two were running simultaneously and one had to off-load 
>> VoiceOver to run ChromeVox.  Still the case?
>> 
>> Andrew
>>> On 23 Jun 2017, at 03:36, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I use both.  Normally, when I go into Chrome, it's because something isn't 
>>> working right in Safari, so I use ChromeVox.  When in some G Suite features 
>>> like Docs and Sheets, ChromeVox works better.  The Admin Panel within the G 
>>> Suite is also easier to navigate with ChromeVox, although there are times 
>>> that I turn VO on to navigate tables more easily.  That could be just me 
>>> not knowing all the proper CV tricks, or it could be that VO handles them 
>>> better, I'm not sure.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 15:34, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> When using chrome, do you use voiceover or chromevox? I find the access 
>>> with voiceover similar in both browsers, but there are times when chromevox 
>>> will allow access to a site that voiceover has a problem with.
 On Jun 22, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 That’s pretty much my use case as well.  If Safari chokes on a site chrome 
 usually gets it done and vise versa.  Also, there are times when things on 
 safari aren’t accessible but more controls and features are available on 
 chrome.
 
 
 On the windows side I used to use Firefox as well as a third option but on 
 the Mac have been pretty much a safari and chrome user.
 
> On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:35 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Actually, Chrome works very well on a Mac.  It handles Google Apps 
> services slightly better than Safari does.  It works well with VO, as in 
> things like the Item Chooser and other web-router items work fairly well 
> in it.  I swap back and forth between the two quite often when certain 
> sites are not behaving themselves in either browser.  Many sighted users 
> in our schools also switch back and forth when something is not 
> cooperating.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 21, 2017, at 14:25, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> It's an android browser, and not relevant if you're using a Mac.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 21, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
>> I will not touch Google Crome:  but, what is this here thing called 
>> Lightning Browser?  I reckon it’s accessible?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the 
>> blind built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Anders Holmberg  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Have you tried with lightning webbrowser or google chrome?
>>> /A
 21 juni 2017 kl. 16:48 skrev Ray Foret jr :
 
 Well, one thing’s for sure.  You can forget 
 www.walmart.com
 
 With the Mac, the site is totally impossible to log in to.  You get 
 stuck and cannot go anywhere.
 
 You actually have to force quit Safari to be able to do anything with 
 it at all afterward.
 
 Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the 
 blind built-in
 
 Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
 
 Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon 
 Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
 
> On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I use Safari. On rare occasions I'll get busy messages that make a 
> page hard to use, but it's uncommon enough that I don't really worry 
> about it. That said, I've heard plenty of people say they experience 
> what you do. I have no idea why this happens to some and not others. 
> All I can suggest is to contact Apple about it, maybe with some 
> s

Re: I Mac Pro.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

My first computer when I came to the Mac world was a Mac book, 2010.  Not sure 
if it was early or late addition as at that time I was in the US on holiday and 
got one from there and bought it back to the UK.  I think after a few years, I 
wanted a change as I didn't want a computer which had a battery in it.  I 
prefer the I Mac line because the machine can sit on the back of my desk and I 
have a lot of room in the front.  I might have no vision but I like the feel of 
the beautiful screen.

Kawal.
> On 24 Jun 2017, at 12:20, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:
> 
> Well in fact, my first Mac was a Mac Pro. The main reason to get one was I 
> refused to pay for a massive screen on the iMac which I didn’t need as a 
> blind person. Secondly I wanted to turn off the screen permanently. The price 
> was roughly the same as the top of the bill iMac at that time, although the 
> Pro is of course more expensive if you consider it comes without a screen. I 
> had an older lcd monitor which suited fine.
> Thats why I will wait for the new Mac Pro to see if its interesting for me.
> But when I go for the iMac Pro I never gonna get it maxed out to 18000. When 
> I really need the power I definitely go for the new Mac Pro, which will be of 
> a modular design, and therefor easily expandible. 
> 
> Ronald
> 
>> Op 24 jun. 2017, om 02:32 heeft Karen Lewellen  
>> het volgende geschreven:
>> 
>> I must agree,
>> after all how do you know what this individual can appreciate?
>> I say if the Mercedes fits, drive it!
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, 23 Jun 2017, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> It's a matter of choice.  Whether a blind person is the person purchasing 
>>> it shouldn't be the crutch mentioned here.  Just because you can't see the 
>>> screen, doesn't mean that you shouldn't desire a higher end computer.  Now, 
>>> what really needs to be considered in my opinion, is the tasks and such 
>>> that will be accomplished on the computer.  In many cases, a high-end iMac 
>>> itself would likely perform tasks very well, but it's entirely up to the 
>>> person who's making the purchase.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 23, 2017, at 16:51, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you want to spend what will probably amount to nearly $18000 on a 
>>> computer that has so much power that the average blind person doesn’t need, 
>>> go right ahead.
 On Jun 23, 2017, at 6:35 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 And scott,
 
 
 A screen that a blind person can't appreciate!
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
 Sent: Saturday, 24 June 2017 2:01 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: I Mac Pro.
 
 I really do need to work for you, you’re talking tens of thousands to do 
 that most likely.  A maxed unit has 128 GB of ram, 16 GB of video memory, 
 18 cores, 4 TB of storage and so forth.  That will be one hell of a 
 machine.
 
 
> On Jun 22, 2017, at 4:58 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> And Scott, I am going to max it out,  Maximum memory, maximum ram and may 
> be I won't need to change that machine for a number of years!  I just 
> want a new gadget although I will probably want quite a few new apple 
> gadgets.
>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 21:34, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I need to come work for you if you’re running around with iMac pro 
>> money.;)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 4:31 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am thinking of buying the new I Mac Pro when it is released in 
>>> December.  It's been almost 5 years since I've had my I Mac.  I am 
>>> rather excited that a new I Mac is on the way.  I will be looking for 
>>> anyone in the UK on this list who may want an I Mac as I am going to 
>>> sell this one as cheaply as possible around the three or £400 mark.  I 
>>> am just letting those of you know who live in the UK to find out if 
>>> anyone will want an I Mac come Christmas time.
>>> 
>>> I hope the new I Mac Pro will have the same screen width as this one 
>>> just about fits on the back of my desk as I have the 27 inch model.
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
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About Internet Access Via BPM and Airport Routers

[Sharon Hooley]

Hi,

Okay, maybe BPM and Airport Routers are way two different subjects, but when it 
comes to accessing the internet, I’d like to learn more.

So, about BPM, does it give access from a distance you can’t get service 
otherwise?  Can it, for example, give me access to the town’s public library 
even if it’s several miles away?

The same for Airport routers, can that access an airport’s Wifi, even if you’re 
miles away?

Maybe stupid questions, but stupid questions are the ones that don’t get asked.

Thanks,

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RE: accessible VPN

[David & his pack of dogs]

I use Private internet access.  It tells you where to put in the user name and 
password.  Once it is put in, you don’t have to enter it again.  Also, it gives 
you a list of several countries where you can appear to be in.  Such as, if you 
live in the U S, you can appear as if you are in the U K.  Both U K and the U S 
have different areas.  In the U S you could be in New York but, look like you 
are in California.  There are a lot more countries you could appear to be in, I 
just gave some exapmles.  The main thing is, it is accessible for the blind and 
it works. When last I checked it costs $59 for 2 years.   

 

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On Behalf Of masood B
Sent: June 23, 2017 11:18 PM
To: MacVisionaries 
Subject: accessible VPN

 

hello. I would like to know if there is any accessible VPN for Windows and mac? 
thanks.

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Headspace meditation App

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello, 
Do any of you use the IOS headspace meditation App or the headspace.com 
 web site? If so have you found any way on any platform 
to get the site to work with your screen reader following its update week 12 
June 2017?
After some initial difficulties the prior versions all used to work OK for me 
on both IOS and Mac OS but I cannot get the new versions to play any 
meditations. I have contacted headspace and they say that they recognise the 
problem and that the right people are working on it. As that might take some 
time I would be delighted to hear if anyone has found a work around. 
Many thanks….

Paul Hopewell 

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Re: Safari Busy

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Use ctrl-cmd-a-a to toggle ChromeVox on and off.  I usually don't have both 
running simultaneously, but do in some rare cases.  I've set CV to have the 
female Susan voice, and VO to be Alex, so I know which one is talking to me at 
any given time.  You can change the speech rate of CV on the fly with ctrl-cmd 
left and right bracket.  These are the keys just to the right of the letter p 
key.

Specific things to note when using CV are that it is a browser based screen 
reader.  Therefore, MacOS menus, items in the browser Toolbar etc are not read 
by CV, these still need to be read by VO.  So, sometimes, you'll get nothing 
out of CV because focus is outside of the web area.  You can press cmd-r to 
reload the page, press tab a number of times to bring focus back into the web 
area, or turn VO on and see where you're at.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 23, 2017, at 23:47, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:

Can ChromeVox be activated and deactivated on the fly?  In the past, there were 
issues if the two were running simultaneously and one had to off-load VoiceOver 
to run ChromeVox.  Still the case?

Andrew
> On 23 Jun 2017, at 03:36, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I use both.  Normally, when I go into Chrome, it's because something isn't 
> working right in Safari, so I use ChromeVox.  When in some G Suite features 
> like Docs and Sheets, ChromeVox works better.  The Admin Panel within the G 
> Suite is also easier to navigate with ChromeVox, although there are times 
> that I turn VO on to navigate tables more easily.  That could be just me not 
> knowing all the proper CV tricks, or it could be that VO handles them better, 
> I'm not sure.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 22, 2017, at 15:34, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> When using chrome, do you use voiceover or chromevox? I find the access with 
> voiceover similar in both browsers, but there are times when chromevox will 
> allow access to a site that voiceover has a problem with.
>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> That’s pretty much my use case as well.  If Safari chokes on a site chrome 
>> usually gets it done and vise versa.  Also, there are times when things on 
>> safari aren’t accessible but more controls and features are available on 
>> chrome.
>> 
>> 
>> On the windows side I used to use Firefox as well as a third option but on 
>> the Mac have been pretty much a safari and chrome user.
>> 
>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:35 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Actually, Chrome works very well on a Mac.  It handles Google Apps services 
>>> slightly better than Safari does.  It works well with VO, as in things like 
>>> the Item Chooser and other web-router items work fairly well in it.  I swap 
>>> back and forth between the two quite often when certain sites are not 
>>> behaving themselves in either browser.  Many sighted users in our schools 
>>> also switch back and forth when something is not cooperating.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 14:25, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's an android browser, and not relevant if you're using a Mac.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
>>> 
 I will not touch Google Crome:  but, what is this here thing called 
 Lightning Browser?  I reckon it’s accessible?
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in
 
 Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
 
 Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
 iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
 
> On Jun 21, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Anders Holmberg  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Have you tried with lightning webbrowser or google chrome?
> /A
>> 21 juni 2017 kl. 16:48 skrev Ray Foret jr :
>> 
>> Well, one thing’s for sure.  You can forget 
>> www.walmart.com
>> 
>> With the Mac, the site is totally impossible to log in to.  You get 
>> stuck and cannot go anywhere.
>> 
>> You actually have to force quit Safari to be able to do anything with it 
>> at all afterward.
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the 
>> blind built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I use Safari. On rare occasions I'll get busy messages that make a page 
>>> hard to use, but it's uncommon enough that I don't really worry about 
>>> it. That said, I've heard plenty of people say they experience what you 
>>> do. I have no idea why this happens to some and not others. All I can 
>>> suggest is to contact Apple about it, maybe with some sys

Re: Safari Busy

[Ray Foret jr]

For my part, I found Chromevox so sluggish while running Voice Over that I 
offloaded it from my Mac.  It didn’t seem to aknowledge key presses at all.  
Tried trning VO off and no good.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jun 24, 2017, at 12:47 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Can ChromeVox be activated and deactivated on the fly?  In the past, there 
> were issues if the two were running simultaneously and one had to off-load 
> VoiceOver to run ChromeVox.  Still the case?
> 
> Andrew
>> On 23 Jun 2017, at 03:36, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I use both.  Normally, when I go into Chrome, it's because something isn't 
>> working right in Safari, so I use ChromeVox.  When in some G Suite features 
>> like Docs and Sheets, ChromeVox works better.  The Admin Panel within the G 
>> Suite is also easier to navigate with ChromeVox, although there are times 
>> that I turn VO on to navigate tables more easily.  That could be just me not 
>> knowing all the proper CV tricks, or it could be that VO handles them 
>> better, I'm not sure.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 15:34, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> When using chrome, do you use voiceover or chromevox? I find the access with 
>> voiceover similar in both browsers, but there are times when chromevox will 
>> allow access to a site that voiceover has a problem with.
>>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 9:36 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That’s pretty much my use case as well.  If Safari chokes on a site chrome 
>>> usually gets it done and vise versa.  Also, there are times when things on 
>>> safari aren’t accessible but more controls and features are available on 
>>> chrome.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On the windows side I used to use Firefox as well as a third option but on 
>>> the Mac have been pretty much a safari and chrome user.
>>> 
 On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:35 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Actually, Chrome works very well on a Mac.  It handles Google Apps 
 services slightly better than Safari does.  It works well with VO, as in 
 things like the Item Chooser and other web-router items work fairly well 
 in it.  I swap back and forth between the two quite often when certain 
 sites are not behaving themselves in either browser.  Many sighted users 
 in our schools also switch back and forth when something is not 
 cooperating.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 21, 2017, at 14:25, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 It's an android browser, and not relevant if you're using a Mac.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 21, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
 
> I will not touch Google Crome:  but, what is this here thing called 
> Lightning Browser?  I reckon it’s accessible?
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Anders Holmberg  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Have you tried with lightning webbrowser or google chrome?
>> /A
>>> 21 juni 2017 kl. 16:48 skrev Ray Foret jr :
>>> 
>>> Well, one thing’s for sure.  You can forget 
>>> www.walmart.com
>>> 
>>> With the Mac, the site is totally impossible to log in to.  You get 
>>> stuck and cannot go anywhere.
>>> 
>>> You actually have to force quit Safari to be able to do anything with 
>>> it at all afterward.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the 
>>> blind built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon 
>>> Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
 I use Safari. On rare occasions I'll get busy messages that make a 
 page hard to use, but it's uncommon enough that I don't really worry 
 about it. That said, I've heard plenty of people say they experience 
 what you do. I have no idea why this happens to some and not others. 
 All I can suggest is to contact Apple about it, maybe with some system 
 diagnostic files. When Safari is busy, hit 
 cmd-option-control-shift-period. After a few minutes, you'll be placed 
 in a Finder window where you'll find the file you want to send along.
 
 --
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> On Jun 20, 2017, at 22:29, Ni

Re: I Mac Pro.

[Ronald van Rhijn]

Well in fact, my first Mac was a Mac Pro. The main reason to get one was I 
refused to pay for a massive screen on the iMac which I didn’t need as a blind 
person. Secondly I wanted to turn off the screen permanently. The price was 
roughly the same as the top of the bill iMac at that time, although the Pro is 
of course more expensive if you consider it comes without a screen. I had an 
older lcd monitor which suited fine.
Thats why I will wait for the new Mac Pro to see if its interesting for me.
But when I go for the iMac Pro I never gonna get it maxed out to 18000. When I 
really need the power I definitely go for the new Mac Pro, which will be of a 
modular design, and therefor easily expandible. 

Ronald
 
> Op 24 jun. 2017, om 02:32 heeft Karen Lewellen  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> I must agree,
> after all how do you know what this individual can appreciate?
> I say if the Mercedes fits, drive it!
> Kare
> 
> 
> On Fri, 23 Jun 2017, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> It's a matter of choice.  Whether a blind person is the person purchasing it 
>> shouldn't be the crutch mentioned here.  Just because you can't see the 
>> screen, doesn't mean that you shouldn't desire a higher end computer.  Now, 
>> what really needs to be considered in my opinion, is the tasks and such that 
>> will be accomplished on the computer.  In many cases, a high-end iMac itself 
>> would likely perform tasks very well, but it's entirely up to the person 
>> who's making the purchase.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 23, 2017, at 16:51, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> If you want to spend what will probably amount to nearly $18000 on a 
>> computer that has so much power that the average blind person doesn’t need, 
>> go right ahead.
>>> On Jun 23, 2017, at 6:35 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> And scott,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A screen that a blind person can't appreciate!
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Saturday, 24 June 2017 2:01 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: I Mac Pro.
>>> 
>>> I really do need to work for you, you’re talking tens of thousands to do 
>>> that most likely.  A maxed unit has 128 GB of ram, 16 GB of video memory, 
>>> 18 cores, 4 TB of storage and so forth.  That will be one hell of a machine.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 22, 2017, at 4:58 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 And Scott, I am going to max it out,  Maximum memory, maximum ram and may 
 be I won't need to change that machine for a number of years!  I just want 
 a new gadget although I will probably want quite a few new apple gadgets.
> On 22 Jun 2017, at 21:34, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I need to come work for you if you’re running around with iMac pro 
> money.;)
> 
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 4:31 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> I am thinking of buying the new I Mac Pro when it is released in 
>> December.  It's been almost 5 years since I've had my I Mac.  I am 
>> rather excited that a new I Mac is on the way.  I will be looking for 
>> anyone in the UK on this list who may want an I Mac as I am going to 
>> sell this one as cheaply as possible around the three or £400 mark.  I 
>> am just letting those of you know who live in the UK to find out if 
>> anyone will want an I Mac come Christmas time.
>> 
>> I hope the new I Mac Pro will have the same screen width as this one 
>> just about fits on the back of my desk as I have the 27 inch model.
>> Kawal.
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RE: Mac OS Server

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Tim,

Yes wondered about that,

I also have the magic keyboard so can use that,

I’ve installed os x server 10.12,
Waw that is different from mavericks server I’m taking my time to figure it out


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Saturday, 24 June 2017 12:37 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac OS Server

Hi,

It's possible that the keyboard is beginning to fail.  It used to be possible 
to change it out, but I'm guessing that it would be rather difficult to get the 
part now with how old that machine is.  You could connect an external USB 
keyboard to see if things perform better.  That would tell you whether the 
keyboard on the MacBook is starting to die, or if it's just a speed thing.  I 
have the Server app on my MBP, but mostly just use it to remotely access other 
servers in our domain.  You could have some fun enabling DNS and DHCP to see if 
you could mess up things at work, just deny it if they figure out that it was 
you :).

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 23, 2017, at 16:02, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi tim,

Yeah ssd made a big difference,
Guessing 8gb ram will help also,
Starting to wonder about the keyboard htough as it’s not liking some of my key 
presses.
Might be just speed of machine though

Yeah still putting a server on a mac book as a notebook is one I’m questioning 
currently , might be a funny thing to do at work one day when I feel like 
upsetting the world.
Setup a dhcp server and turn it on to wireless  screw up the entire organisation

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Friday, 23 June 2017 3:21 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac OS Server

Hi,

We have some of those white MacBooks still hanging around.  Use them in our 
Robotics programs for when the High School students go off to the Elementary 
schools to introduce the littler ones to robotics and coding.  They get bogged 
down in Mavericks but seem to speed back up with El Capitan.  I've not tried 
them with Sierra though.  Installing 8 GB of RAM would improve performance a 
lot in my opinion.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 22, 2017, at 03:36, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Tim,

That’s what I thought also however it’s not what I’m getting,

I got everything but the server installation media.

I even had an app for server that I got approx. the same time but no server 
installation media.

I then thought I’d try it with an update to el capitan,  same thing no server 
os available.

So it gave me the option to purchase sierra server and as it’s only 29 dollars 
here in nz, I thought stuff it and I’ve purchased it.

I only hope the machine will take the sierra installation

It’s installing now a dual core 2.26 GHz processor and currently 4 gb ram,

I’ll upgrade that to 8gb tomorrow if I can get to the local store.
Interesting what you can do with an old machine.

Think this is a 2010 Mac book,
The white plastic ones.



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Thursday, 22 June 2017 5:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac OS Server

Hi,

Normally, you should be able to go to the Purchased tab within the AppStore and 
download previous versions of the Server app.  The caveat here is that you must 
have purchased that app using the same Apple ID.  You may not see it yet, but 
once you install Mountain Lion or Mavericks on to the MacBook, and log into the 
AppStore, that version of Server should still be available to you.  Note that I 
use the word "should".  That's my favourite word when helping people with tech 
sorts of things :).

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 21, 2017, at 04:21, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Listers,

I’ve got an old 2009 / 2010 mac book 13” the old white plastic models I’m 
thinking of putting Mac OS Server on to.

I have a server version for either Mt Lion or Mavericks,  and I know these OS’s 
will run on the notebook,
However how would I go about obtaining the server add in for the OS
Is there an apple OS archive somewhere I can access?
As I can’t find my old installer file for the server OS  package.

I also need more ram and once I get the SSD into it I think it will be great.

Cheers,


Simon F



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Re: looking for a step by step guide to making a bootible partition

[Michael Marshall]

After what everyone has said, I am quite confident to take this course of 
action.
> On 24 Jun 2017, at 10:24 am, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, there's no reason why it shouldn't work to migrate your settings from 
> one partition to another.  The other HD's should show up in the Migration 
> Assistants list of possible migration locations.  The only reason for it not 
> to work in my opinion would be if the Migration Assistant in the beta is 
> problematic.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 23, 2017, at 16:58, Michael Marshall  wrote:
> 
> if it doesn't work no matter, can do it through Time Machine.
>> On 24 Jun 2017, at 8:44 am, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Michael,
>> 
>> That's a really good question,
>> 
>> Something I've never tried in this case but I can't see why it wouldn't be 
>> possible.
>> 
>> It's a case of going into disk utilities and creating another partition to 
>> install the beta os to and then during the installation it would ask if you 
>> wish to migrate data 
>> And that would be where you try this.
>> 
>> I can't say it will work but it should be possible .
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
>> Sent: Saturday, 24 June 2017 10:31 AM
>> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Re: looking for a step by step guide to making a bootible partition
>> 
>> hey,
>> thanks a lot.
>> Can you migrate your settings from the other partition?
>>> On 24 Jun 2017, at 12:41 am, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Yes, you, as a blind person, can easily choose between which partition 
>>> you'd like to start from.  It's in System Preference, under the Startup 
>>> Disk pane.  Totally accessible.  Really, there's not much you need to do in 
>>> order to accomplish this.  Create your partition on the drive, make sure 
>>> that it is large enough to hold the OS, maybe 100 GB or so, start the 
>>> installer and when it asks for the location of the install, choose the new 
>>> partition.  That should do it.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 23, 2017, at 02:17, Michael Marshall  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hey all,
>>> with the new betas coming i would like to make a partition so i can boot 
>>> into the beta.
>>> i do not want to use a VM because for macs they are to limiting.
>>> can a blind user boot between partitions successfully after i make it?
>>> 
>>> thanks for any help
>>> 
>>> Michael
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