Re: How to use terminal?

[Scott Granados]

I sold my /19 for a nice chunk of change.


> On Jun 30, 2017, at 7:30 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Too bad. By the way, IPv4 addresses in North America are exhausted.
> There are none to be had, and haven't been any for a couple years now,
> except that someone gives up some they have.
> 
> https://www.arin.net/resources/request/ipv4_countdown.html
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
>> The university I work at isnt' even looking at ipv6,
>> 
>> We've just started immplimenting a new network inferstructure and IP V 6 was 
>> demed to out of scope for this prject.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
>> Sent: Saturday, 1 July 2017 5:41 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: How to use terminal?
>> 
>> That's funny about MIT. What's actually happening is that they're finally 
>> moving to IPv6. They're among the last to adopt 6, in part because they 
>> early on acquired so much 4 space.
>> 
>> So, this complainant is behind the times. Innovating for 4 is no longer 
>> forward thinking, imo.
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>>> Ah yes finger… I believe I used that on systems other than Unix. Certainly 
>>> there is a finger protocol in addition to the who protocol on the network. 
>>> So, in college I would finger users on Columbia and MIT well known public 
>>> servers and then start chat sessions with them. 
>>> 
>>> On a slightly different note: I was reading in Facebook today about MIT 
>>> giving up half of its /8 IPv4 address space and this one individual was 
>>> complaining about how being reduced to 18 million addresses and by default 
>>> getting a non-public IP address  was stifling innovation on campus. 
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 30, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 I love the grep command.  I used to have a port for windows way back 
 in the day.  It’s funny some of the terms and commands, grep, grock, 
 gopher, lynx and so on.  We’ll leave finger out of it for now.;)
 
 
> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:16 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> My favorite obscure command is grep. I believe it means "get 
> repetition." Checking with Wikipedia I find it's a bit more elaborate:
> "globally search a regular expression and print."
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep
> 
> 
> Anyway you slice it, it's a funny way to say "Find!"
> I wonder whether Google Maps, or Amazon Echo would respond to "grep 
> store?" I'll have to test out of morbid curiosity.
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> Scott Granados writes:
>> No I get super user, I’ve heard root referred to as the super user 
>> for years I just didn’t think su was super user because it associates to 
>> all users not just root.
>> 
>> For example, typing su - Janina would switch to and use the 
>> environmental variables of the Janina account.  Simply doing su - 
>> with no user selects root probably telling you what you already 
>> know.  (The trailing - using the environmental variables of the 
>> target user instead of the originating user)
>> 
>> Here’s an article from wikipedia that seems to indicate we’re all right. 
>>  SU can mean switch user, substitute user or super user.  Interesting.  
>> Read more here.
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
>> 
>> Makes me wonder what other command acronyms I have taken for 
>> granted.  Ping is my favorite so far, packet internet groper if 
>> memory serves.:)
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey, Scott:
>>> 
>>> The feeling is mutual.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> There's a bit more vocabulary associated with su. It's super user 
>>> because this is the user with extraordinary powers that will 
>>> trump all other permissions on the system.
>>> 
>>> Simple example: If you have multiple users and one forgets their 
>>> password, the super user can reset that user's password.
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> Scott Granados writes:
 And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really 
 does not necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common 
 use.  Learn something new everytime you post, how about that!
 
> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
> 
> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires 

Re: How to use terminal?

[Scott Granados]

I had a bunch of very cool  Sparcs when I ran my ISP.  Sparc 20 hardware was 
pretty exciting at the time.  I had it loaded up with Ross processors and 
memory chugging away on NNTP.  The coolest hardware I ever worked with from Sun 
was the E10K.  It was so cool changing processors while the machine was booted, 
everything was hot swappable.

Ah, that’s back when computing was fun.:)


> On Jun 30, 2017, at 1:45 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> A simple dash may work as well. I don't know.
> 
> Man, I miss Sun hardware! Can't say I miss Sun OS particularly, but they
> built some fun hardware in their day.
> 
> Scott Granados writes:
>> I started using the dash flag back in the Solaris / SunOS days and have 
>> stuck with it.  I will have to try your method.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:11 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, according to Wikipedia, it seems we're all correct:
>>> 
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> PS: To become another user I generally do:
>>> 
>>> su -u [user] -i
>>> 
>>> This insures I get the same environment that user gets on login-- the -i
>>> flag. Frankly, I don't know whether that works the same on BSD or not.
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn writes:
 I just verified from the Free BSD man pages and su is described as
 "substitute user identity".
 
 So, if you are comfortable with terminal and share a machine with somebody,
 then the command:
 sudo su somebody -
 
 will give you permission to see all that person's files. Of course any
 encrypted files like the keychain or one password crypt will still not be
 available to you. But all other files when accessed will look like they
 were accessed by somebody.
 
 
 
 On 29 June 2017 at 11:37, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
> Let’s call it even, you just hipped me to the proper verbiage around su
> and I hipped you back with the command n new window shortcut.  Sounds like
> a fair trade.
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:31 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Here we go -- I've been doing it the hard way! 
>> 
>> Could I have noticed that? Probably. Did I? Not until you burned it into
>> my sometimes slow noggin! 
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> Scott Granados writes:
>>> Or, if it’s easier, just do a command n for a new window and one will
> automatically open.
>>> 
 On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:20 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
 
 And, when you get the "has no Windows" message, just open one. Do VO+m,
 and go to File then Open.
 
 Scott Granados writes:
> Just for the less experienced on the list, terminal is just dropping
> you to a unix shell.  When you hear people talk about unix this is simply 
> a
> flavor of it that the pretty pictures part of Mac OS runs over.  It’s an
> extremely powerful environment and also a well paying career path if you
> learn the Unix based operating systems.
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:36 AM, Sharon Hooley 
> wrote:
>> 
>> okay, I had success!  And now, for even more of a kick, does anyone
> know how to make it say just anything you want to print command?
>> 
>> Fun stuff,
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:51 PM, E.T. 
> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In
> some cases you may be asked for your log in password.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent
> earlier.  I found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found
> my last log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know
> where to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that
> it said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put 
> in
> code?
 
 Thanks,
 
 
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Re: Mac OS High Sierra Voiceover Changes

[afik Suffir]

Command, VO key, plus shift, plus right, down, up, or left arrow. Its very 
annoying for me, because I use just one hand, I have a motorical problem with 
the other. 

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> ‫ב-1 ביולי 2017, בשעה 8:01, ‏‏⁨Caitlyn Furness⁩ 
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> 
> Um, I thought it was vo command and the arrow keys to change options like 
> speech rate, etc?
> 
> when I do vo right arrow alone, it just advances the vo cursor through 
> wherever I happen to be..
> 
> HTH,
> Cait
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:45 AM, Daniel Chavez  wrote:
>> 
>> Good day list,
>> I was wondering why, on the new High Sierra for Mac, did they take away VO 
>> plus right arrow, so that you can quickly change things (e.g., speech rate, 
>> volume, etc?)
>> I don't seem to be able to use VO plus right arrow any longer to adjust 
>> those values, and was wondering how else can I adjust stuff like speech rate 
>> on the fly? When I use VO plus right arrow now, it shows only stuff like, 
>> (If I'm on my desktop), words, characters, web spots, navigation, etc.)
>> No longer do I see speech rate, volume, or none of the options available 
>> when Mac OS Sierra was a fully released version. Do I have to now use 
>> Voiceover Utility from now on to configure what I want? I went into VO help, 
>> but it doesn't give me what I need as far as a solution.
>> Thanks for any help that can be provided.
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Re: Removal of 3D Touch app switching gesture in iOS 11 confirmed as intentional change

[Scott Granados]

Button is still there in IOS 11 public beta 1.

Touch to return to call is also similarly placed.



> On Jun 30, 2017, at 9:29 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> The impression I got from the article was that this button goes away in 
> ios11. 11. Maybe I misunderstood what I read. I hope I did, because I use 
> that a lot. And I'm aware of the app switcher. I'm also aware that the home 
> button is apparently going away completely in terms of a physical feelable 
> button on the next phone. So it will be interesting how Apple makes that 
> easily findable with VO.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
>> 
>> Mary,
>> When you go into a link from an e-mail, there is a return to mail button in 
>> the top left corner.  As far as returning to a previous app is concerned, we 
>> have an app switcher for that.
>> 
>> Chris
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Re: Mac OS High Sierra Voiceover Changes

[afik Suffir]

Hi Daniel, you have to add theshift key. For example, command+shift+vo 
key+down arrow/right/left arrows. 


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> ‫ב-1 ביולי 2017, בשעה 7:45, ‏‏⁨Daniel Chavez⁩ ‏<⁨topdog2...@gmail.com⁩> 
> כתב/ה:‬
> 
> Good day list,
> I was wondering why, on the new High Sierra for Mac, did they take away VO 
> plus right arrow, so that you can quickly change things (e.g., speech rate, 
> volume, etc?)
> I don't seem to be able to use VO plus right arrow any longer to adjust those 
> values, and was wondering how else can I adjust stuff like speech rate on the 
> fly? When I use VO plus right arrow now, it shows only stuff like, (If I'm on 
> my desktop), words, characters, web spots, navigation, etc.)
> No longer do I see speech rate, volume, or none of the options available when 
> Mac OS Sierra was a fully released version. Do I have to now use Voiceover 
> Utility from now on to configure what I want? I went into VO help, but it 
> doesn't give me what I need as far as a solution.
> Thanks for any help that can be provided.
> 
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Re: Mac OS High Sierra Voiceover Changes

[Caitlyn Furness]

I couldn’t imagine them taking away a vital way of fiddling with your vo 
options!

and, alas, my own mac, a mid 2010 model, will probably soon not be able to 
handle upcoming OS’s..  guess I better start putting money into the piggy bank..

Cait

> On Jul 1, 2017, at 1:37 AM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> At least so far as I am aware, you are not losing your mind.  Bear in mind, 
> however, that since this here mid 2009 Mac book pro cannot handle any form of 
> Sera, I had to wing it.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:01 AM, Caitlyn Furness > > wrote:
>> 
>> thanks ray, I thought maybe I was losing my mind!  lol
>> 
>> Cait
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:49 AM, Ray Foret jr >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> You sure you weren’t using VO+CMD+arrow keys?  That’s the way you actually 
>>> do it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Jun 30, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Daniel Chavez > wrote:
 
 Good day list,
 I was wondering why, on the new High Sierra for Mac, did they take away VO 
 plus right arrow, so that you can quickly change things (e.g., speech 
 rate, volume, etc?)
 I don't seem to be able to use VO plus right arrow any longer to adjust 
 those values, and was wondering how else can I adjust stuff like speech 
 rate on the fly? When I use VO plus right arrow now, it shows only stuff 
 like, (If I'm on my desktop), words, characters, web spots, navigation, 
 etc.)
 No longer do I see speech rate, volume, or none of the options available 
 when Mac OS Sierra was a fully released version. Do I have to now use 
 Voiceover Utility from now on to configure what I want? I went into VO 
 help, but it doesn't give me what I need as far as a solution.
 Thanks for any help that can be provided.
 
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Re: Mac OS High Sierra Voiceover Changes

[Ray Foret jr]

At least so far as I am aware, you are not losing your mind.  Bear in mind, 
however, that since this here mid 2009 Mac book pro cannot handle any form of 
Sera, I had to wing it.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:01 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> thanks ray, I thought maybe I was losing my mind!  lol
> 
> Cait
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:49 AM, Ray Foret jr > > wrote:
>> 
>> You sure you weren’t using VO+CMD+arrow keys?  That’s the way you actually 
>> do it.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Daniel Chavez >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good day list,
>>> I was wondering why, on the new High Sierra for Mac, did they take away VO 
>>> plus right arrow, so that you can quickly change things (e.g., speech rate, 
>>> volume, etc?)
>>> I don't seem to be able to use VO plus right arrow any longer to adjust 
>>> those values, and was wondering how else can I adjust stuff like speech 
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>>> when Mac OS Sierra was a fully released version. Do I have to now use 
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Re: Mac OS High Sierra Voiceover Changes

[Kliphton Miller]

You have to add the shift key now
This will give you the options you are looking for.
> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:45 AM, Daniel Chavez  wrote:
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> Good day list,
> I was wondering why, on the new High Sierra for Mac, did they take away VO 
> plus right arrow, so that you can quickly change things (e.g., speech rate, 
> volume, etc?)
> I don't seem to be able to use VO plus right arrow any longer to adjust those 
> values, and was wondering how else can I adjust stuff like speech rate on the 
> fly? When I use VO plus right arrow now, it shows only stuff like, (If I'm on 
> my desktop), words, characters, web spots, navigation, etc.)
> No longer do I see speech rate, volume, or none of the options available when 
> Mac OS Sierra was a fully released version. Do I have to now use Voiceover 
> Utility from now on to configure what I want? I went into VO help, but it 
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Re: Frustrating verification code issue.

[Scott Granados]

The codes do time out depending on how long you took.  I just start the process 
over if I’m having issues.  Also make sure you line up with the first edit 
field.  Hit OK after you enter the code and it’s successful, not before.



> On Jun 30, 2017, at 11:56 PM, Harry Bell  wrote:
> 
> I too tried repeatedly to enter the verification code displayed on screen but 
> it only worked when I clicked on the link saying no access to trusted devices 
> and then got a verification code sent to mobile phone - and it just worked! 
> Very frustrating, I agree!
> Harry
> 
>> On 1 Jul 2017, at 03:18, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> Your doing nothing wrong.  The same thing happened to me.  I would enter the 
>> code right after it was sent, and it locked me out of signing in to the beta 
>> site for 8 hours.  I finally gave up and had sited help, went on the first 
>> try.
>>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:43 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> No matter what i do  the Verification code i get when i sign in to the 
>>> apple beta software seems to be wrong.
>>> I don’t know what’s up but to me it seems i am following the right steps to 
>>> sign in.
>>> I have my Iphone at hand and when i sign in with my Password i get the 
>>> icloud message if i would like this mac to allow to sign in and i click 
>>> allow on my Iphone.
>>> I then get the verification code and meticulous so that the cursor is at 
>>> the first text field.
>>> THen when i type i always check so i have written the right code.
>>> THen i click Continue.
>>> No go.
>>> I admit that the Verification code is great but sometimes frustrating with 
>>> Voiceover.
>>> But i wont give this up as i know it should work.
>>> Any thoughts though of what might be wrong?
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> /A
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Re: Mac OS High Sierra Voiceover Changes

[Scott Granados]

+1 Ray is right on the money I think.


> On Jul 1, 2017, at 1:01 AM, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
> 
> thanks ray, I thought maybe I was losing my mind!  lol
> 
> Cait
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:49 AM, Ray Foret jr > > wrote:
>> 
>> You sure you weren’t using VO+CMD+arrow keys?  That’s the way you actually 
>> do it.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Daniel Chavez >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good day list,
>>> I was wondering why, on the new High Sierra for Mac, did they take away VO 
>>> plus right arrow, so that you can quickly change things (e.g., speech rate, 
>>> volume, etc?)
>>> I don't seem to be able to use VO plus right arrow any longer to adjust 
>>> those values, and was wondering how else can I adjust stuff like speech 
>>> rate on the fly? When I use VO plus right arrow now, it shows only stuff 
>>> like, (If I'm on my desktop), words, characters, web spots, navigation, 
>>> etc.)
>>> No longer do I see speech rate, volume, or none of the options available 
>>> when Mac OS Sierra was a fully released version. Do I have to now use 
>>> Voiceover Utility from now on to configure what I want? I went into VO 
>>> help, but it doesn't give me what I need as far as a solution.
>>> Thanks for any help that can be provided.
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Cmd-option- left arrow become crazy on iTunes some times

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all:
i’m now trying to use iTunes to play my music in all my daily tasks, but some 
times and don’t know why, when i press cmd-option- left arrow, the song keeps 
rewinding till it reaches the start of the track, what did i do to make this 
happen?
and how can i stop it?
and again, the return key didn’t bring me to the start of the track that am 
playing

Thanks in advance 

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Re: Mac OS High Sierra Voiceover Changes

[Caitlyn Furness]

thanks ray, I thought maybe I was losing my mind!  lol

Cait

> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:49 AM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
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> You sure you weren’t using VO+CMD+arrow keys?  That’s the way you actually do 
> it.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Daniel Chavez > > wrote:
>> 
>> Good day list,
>> I was wondering why, on the new High Sierra for Mac, did they take away VO 
>> plus right arrow, so that you can quickly change things (e.g., speech rate, 
>> volume, etc?)
>> I don't seem to be able to use VO plus right arrow any longer to adjust 
>> those values, and was wondering how else can I adjust stuff like speech rate 
>> on the fly? When I use VO plus right arrow now, it shows only stuff like, 
>> (If I'm on my desktop), words, characters, web spots, navigation, etc.)
>> No longer do I see speech rate, volume, or none of the options available 
>> when Mac OS Sierra was a fully released version. Do I have to now use 
>> Voiceover Utility from now on to configure what I want? I went into VO help, 
>> but it doesn't give me what I need as far as a solution.
>> Thanks for any help that can be provided.
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Re: Mac OS High Sierra Voiceover Changes

[Caitlyn Furness]

Um, I thought it was vo command and the arrow keys to change options like 
speech rate, etc?

when I do vo right arrow alone, it just advances the vo cursor through wherever 
I happen to be..

HTH,
Cait

> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:45 AM, Daniel Chavez  wrote:
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> Good day list,
> I was wondering why, on the new High Sierra for Mac, did they take away VO 
> plus right arrow, so that you can quickly change things (e.g., speech rate, 
> volume, etc?)
> I don't seem to be able to use VO plus right arrow any longer to adjust those 
> values, and was wondering how else can I adjust stuff like speech rate on the 
> fly? When I use VO plus right arrow now, it shows only stuff like, (If I'm on 
> my desktop), words, characters, web spots, navigation, etc.)
> No longer do I see speech rate, volume, or none of the options available when 
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Re: Frustrating verification code issue.

[Terje Strømberg]

It may work starting the process from the start again i.e. find the object 
again and click on buy button. If memory serves, when in the first number 
field, you need to swipe to the right. Normally one character is swiping down. 
Most likely starting the process from the start will work for me in iTunes on 
mac. 

Take care

> 1. jul. 2017 kl. 00.43 skrev Anders Holmberg :
> 
> Hi!
> No matter what i do  the Verification code i get when i sign in to the apple 
> beta software seems to be wrong.
> I don’t know what’s up but to me it seems i am following the right steps to 
> sign in.
> I have my Iphone at hand and when i sign in with my Password i get the icloud 
> message if i would like this mac to allow to sign in and i click allow on my 
> Iphone.
> I then get the verification code and meticulous so that the cursor is at the 
> first text field.
> THen when i type i always check so i have written the right code.
> THen i click Continue.
> No go.
> I admit that the Verification code is great but sometimes frustrating with 
> Voiceover.
> But i wont give this up as i know it should work.
> Any thoughts though of what might be wrong?
> Thanks in advance.
> /A
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Re: Mac OS High Sierra Voiceover Changes

[Ray Foret jr]

You sure you weren’t using VO+CMD+arrow keys?  That’s the way you actually do 
it.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jun 30, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Daniel Chavez  wrote:
> 
> Good day list,
> I was wondering why, on the new High Sierra for Mac, did they take away VO 
> plus right arrow, so that you can quickly change things (e.g., speech rate, 
> volume, etc?)
> I don't seem to be able to use VO plus right arrow any longer to adjust those 
> values, and was wondering how else can I adjust stuff like speech rate on the 
> fly? When I use VO plus right arrow now, it shows only stuff like, (If I'm on 
> my desktop), words, characters, web spots, navigation, etc.)
> No longer do I see speech rate, volume, or none of the options available when 
> Mac OS Sierra was a fully released version. Do I have to now use Voiceover 
> Utility from now on to configure what I want? I went into VO help, but it 
> doesn't give me what I need as far as a solution.
> Thanks for any help that can be provided.
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Re: Frustrating verification code issue.

[Ray Foret jr]

Just thought of a suggestion you might want to try.  Since the code is time 
sensitive, you might try handling it like this.

1.  Cause the code to generate and be sent to a text message to your phone.

2.  Open the message.

3.  Now, Make sure you are focused on where the beginning of the code is.

4.  Now, rotate to the text selection and swipe down till you hear “select all”.

5.  Next, rotate to the edit options and choose “coppy”.

6.  Next step is to focus back on the box where the code should be.  

7.  Now, rotate to the edit area and choose “paste”.

Hope that works, but, just remembered, each position in the code edit box is 
place sensitivbe so this will at least give you really fast access to the code.


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> On Jun 30, 2017, at 10:56 PM, Harry Bell  wrote:
> 
> I too tried repeatedly to enter the verification code displayed on screen but 
> it only worked when I clicked on the link saying no access to trusted devices 
> and then got a verification code sent to mobile phone - and it just worked! 
> Very frustrating, I agree!
> Harry
> 
>> On 1 Jul 2017, at 03:18, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> Your doing nothing wrong.  The same thing happened to me.  I would enter the 
>> code right after it was sent, and it locked me out of signing in to the beta 
>> site for 8 hours.  I finally gave up and had sited help, went on the first 
>> try.
>>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:43 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> No matter what i do  the Verification code i get when i sign in to the 
>>> apple beta software seems to be wrong.
>>> I don’t know what’s up but to me it seems i am following the right steps to 
>>> sign in.
>>> I have my Iphone at hand and when i sign in with my Password i get the 
>>> icloud message if i would like this mac to allow to sign in and i click 
>>> allow on my Iphone.
>>> I then get the verification code and meticulous so that the cursor is at 
>>> the first text field.
>>> THen when i type i always check so i have written the right code.
>>> THen i click Continue.
>>> No go.
>>> I admit that the Verification code is great but sometimes frustrating with 
>>> Voiceover.
>>> But i wont give this up as i know it should work.
>>> Any thoughts though of what might be wrong?
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> /A
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Mac OS High Sierra Voiceover Changes

[Daniel Chavez]

Good day list,
I was wondering why, on the new High Sierra for Mac, did they take away VO plus 
right arrow, so that you can quickly change things (e.g., speech rate, volume, 
etc?)
I don't seem to be able to use VO plus right arrow any longer to adjust those 
values, and was wondering how else can I adjust stuff like speech rate on the 
fly? When I use VO plus right arrow now, it shows only stuff like, (If I'm on 
my desktop), words, characters, web spots, navigation, etc.)
No longer do I see speech rate, volume, or none of the options available when 
Mac OS Sierra was a fully released version. Do I have to now use Voiceover 
Utility from now on to configure what I want? I went into VO help, but it 
doesn't give me what I need as far as a solution.
Thanks for any help that can be provided.

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Re: Frustrating verification code issue.

[Harry Bell]

I too tried repeatedly to enter the verification code displayed on screen but 
it only worked when I clicked on the link saying no access to trusted devices 
and then got a verification code sent to mobile phone - and it just worked! 
Very frustrating, I agree!
Harry

> On 1 Jul 2017, at 03:18, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> Your doing nothing wrong.  The same thing happened to me.  I would enter the 
> code right after it was sent, and it locked me out of signing in to the beta 
> site for 8 hours.  I finally gave up and had sited help, went on the first 
> try.
>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:43 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> No matter what i do  the Verification code i get when i sign in to the apple 
>> beta software seems to be wrong.
>> I don’t know what’s up but to me it seems i am following the right steps to 
>> sign in.
>> I have my Iphone at hand and when i sign in with my Password i get the 
>> icloud message if i would like this mac to allow to sign in and i click 
>> allow on my Iphone.
>> I then get the verification code and meticulous so that the cursor is at the 
>> first text field.
>> THen when i type i always check so i have written the right code.
>> THen i click Continue.
>> No go.
>> I admit that the Verification code is great but sometimes frustrating with 
>> Voiceover.
>> But i wont give this up as i know it should work.
>> Any thoughts though of what might be wrong?
>> Thanks in advance.
>> /A
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Re: Removal of 3D Touch app switching gesture in iOS 11 confirmed as intentional change

[Mary Otten]

Yes, and the dock has a whole lot more capabilities than it used to. So maybe 
they figure with this new fancy dock, the other thing is it so important.  
Admittedly, it won't work on older phones because they don't have 3D Touch. But 
there are more that do now than than before. I guess the iPad still doesn't 
have it though. Maybe that's why they got rid of it. Who knows?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 30, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi mary,
>  
> Thanks for this.
>  
> Does anyone else think this is bloody stupid considering multitasking is one 
> of the features apple was pushing for the newer devices and os’s
>  
> But I do see that the app switcher using the double tapping of the home 
> button is still there.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Saturday, 1 July 2017 11:59 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Removal of 3D Touch app switching gesture in iOS 11 confirmed as 
> intentional change
>  
> Well, this is from a public source. So hopefully it's OK to post here. 
> Bummer. This and the loss of the ability to return to the previous app you 
> were in from another app or unfortunate. I use that last feature a lot to go 
> back to mail when I've gone to a website. I wonder why they're doing this.
> Mary
> 
> Removal of 3D Touch app switching gesture in iOS 11 confirmed as intentional 
> change
> 9to5Mac  /  Benjamin Mayo
> 
> 
> 
> Whilst iOS 11 includes a lot of new stuff to enjoy, there are also a few 
> features that have been left behind. One such example is a lesser-known 3D 
> Touch gesture that enabled faster access to the iPhone app switcher and a 
> quick shortcut to move back to the previous app. Both of these elements are 
> no longer present in iOS 11 and a bug report appears to confirm that this was 
> an intentional removal rather than an outstanding bug.
> 
> Bryan Irace filed a Radar about the removal of the 3D Touch convenience 
> gesture and posted the Apple engineer’s reply on Twitter.
> 
> Short but sweet, it unfortunately states that the feature has been removed on 
> purpose and will not be returning: ‘Please know that this feature was 
> intentionally removed.’
> 
> In case you aren’t aware exactly what feature we are referencing, try it out 
> for yourself: on an iOS 10 device with 3D Touch, iPhone 6s or iPhone 7, press 
> deeply at the left edge of the screen to open the app switcher.
> 
> Instead of lifting immediately, drag across to seamlessly switch from the 
> current app to the previous one. This was much faster than double-tapping the 
> Home Button and dragging between open app ‘cards’, but will simply stop 
> working when users upgrade to iOS 11.
> 
> Apple engineering has confirmed that 3D Touch multitasking was intentionally 
> removed in iOS 11. I am livid. pic.twitter.com/kiCcLq9XMB
> 
> — Bryan Irace (@irace) June 30, 2017
> 
> You can see Craig Federighi demo the gesture at the original iPhone 6s event 
> below, which heralded 3D Touch as a marquee feature. It’s fair to say that 
> the functionality was not a critical part of the iOS experience; it was meant 
> as a power user shortcut to a very common action.
> 
> It’s unclear why Apple would remove something that was so useful — perhaps it 
> interferes with the gestures of the upcoming bezel-less iPhone 8 somehow, 
> although it’s hard to envision how it might clash.
> 
> [embedded content]
> 
> 
> 
> Original Article: 
> https://9to5mac.com/2017/06/30/ios-11-3d-touch-app-switching-gesture-removed/
> 
> 
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Re: Frustrating verification code issue.

[Kliphton Miller]

Your doing nothing wrong.  The same thing happened to me.  I would enter the 
code right after it was sent, and it locked me out of signing in to the beta 
site for 8 hours.  I finally gave up and had sited help, went on the first try.
> On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:43 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> No matter what i do  the Verification code i get when i sign in to the apple 
> beta software seems to be wrong.
> I don’t know what’s up but to me it seems i am following the right steps to 
> sign in.
> I have my Iphone at hand and when i sign in with my Password i get the icloud 
> message if i would like this mac to allow to sign in and i click allow on my 
> Iphone.
> I then get the verification code and meticulous so that the cursor is at the 
> first text field.
> THen when i type i always check so i have written the right code.
> THen i click Continue.
> No go.
> I admit that the Verification code is great but sometimes frustrating with 
> Voiceover.
> But i wont give this up as i know it should work.
> Any thoughts though of what might be wrong?
> Thanks in advance.
> /A
> 
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RE: Removal of 3D Touch app switching gesture in iOS 11 confirmed as intentional change

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi mary,

Thanks for this.

Does anyone else think this is bloody stupid considering multitasking is one of 
the features apple was pushing for the newer devices and os’s

But I do see that the app switcher using the double tapping of the home button 
is still there.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Saturday, 1 July 2017 11:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Removal of 3D Touch app switching gesture in iOS 11 confirmed as 
intentional change

Well, this is from a public source. So hopefully it's OK to post here. Bummer. 
This and the loss of the ability to return to the previous app you were in from 
another app or unfortunate. I use that last feature a lot to go back to mail 
when I've gone to a website. I wonder why they're doing this.
Mary
Removal of 3D Touch app switching gesture in iOS 11 confirmed as intentional 
change
9to5Mac  /  Benjamin Mayo


[https://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/3d-touch-ios-10-removed.jpg?quality=82=all=1600=799]

Whilst iOS 11 includes a lot of new stuff to enjoy, there are also a few 
features that have been left behind. One such example is a lesser-known 3D 
Touch gesture that enabled faster access to the iPhone app switcher and a quick 
shortcut to move back to the previous app. Both of these elements are no longer 
present in iOS 11 and a bug report appears to confirm that this was an 
intentional removal rather than an outstanding bug.

Bryan Irace filed a Radar about the removal of the 3D Touch convenience gesture 
and posted the Apple engineer’s reply on 
Twitter.

Short but sweet, it unfortunately states that the feature has been removed on 
purpose and will not be returning: ‘Please know that this feature was 
intentionally removed.’

In case you aren’t aware exactly what feature we are referencing, try it out 
for yourself: on an iOS 10 device with 3D Touch, iPhone 6s or iPhone 7, press 
deeply at the left edge of the screen to open the app switcher.

Instead of lifting immediately, drag across to seamlessly switch from the 
current app to the previous one. This was much faster than double-tapping the 
Home Button and dragging between open app ‘cards’, but will simply stop working 
when users upgrade to iOS 11.

Apple engineering has confirmed that 3D Touch multitasking was intentionally 
removed in iOS 11. I am livid. 
pic.twitter.com/kiCcLq9XMB

— Bryan Irace (@irace) June 30, 
2017

You can see Craig Federighi demo the gesture at the original iPhone 6s event 
below, which heralded 3D Touch as a marquee feature. It’s fair to say that the 
functionality was not a critical part of the iOS experience; it was meant as a 
power user shortcut to a very common action.

It’s unclear why Apple would remove something that was so useful — perhaps it 
interferes with the gestures of the upcoming bezel-less iPhone 8 somehow, 
although it’s hard to envision how it might clash.

[embedded content]


Original Article: 
https://9to5mac.com/2017/06/30/ios-11-3d-touch-app-switching-gesture-removed/


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RE: Frustrating verification code issue.

[Simon Fogarty]

Also

Remember that the code your phone probably needs before the start of download 
of the profile is your phones pin code that you use when you unlock it

I know that’s what mine asked for as a proof of id when installing updates.

Have you tried that as a code?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ray Foret jr
Sent: Saturday, 1 July 2017 11:51 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Frustrating verification code issue.

IF you hav another device, you might send the code to that device and type it 
out on the actual phone you want to enter it in to.  Remember, those 
verification codes are rather time sensitive so it really helps if you can send 
that code to another device.


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Hi!
No matter what i do  the Verification code i get when i sign in to the apple 
beta software seems to be wrong.
I don’t know what’s up but to me it seems i am following the right steps to 
sign in.
I have my Iphone at hand and when i sign in with my Password i get the icloud 
message if i would like this mac to allow to sign in and i click allow on my 
Iphone.
I then get the verification code and meticulous so that the cursor is at the 
first text field.
THen when i type i always check so i have written the right code.
THen i click Continue.
No go.
I admit that the Verification code is great but sometimes frustrating with 
Voiceover.
But i wont give this up as i know it should work.
Any thoughts though of what might be wrong?
Thanks in advance.
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IOS 11 Beta Earpod

[Simon Fogarty]

So I thought I'd have a look at these new Earpod media instructions that have 
come out with IOS 11 Beta.

Yes I can see great things with this except for the fact that you can only give 
one media instruction or feature to each of the pods,

If you pick siri for the right and next track for the left, that's it,
you can't have siri and play / pause on the right pod and next track  and stop 
on the left,

and yeah ok these are just examples but this to me is very limiting.

I really think that they need volume play / pause and next / previous buttons 
rather than trying to use tapping but hey I can also see the benefits in no 
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RE: Removal of 3D Touch app switching gesture in iOS 11 confirmed as intentional change

[gary-melconian]

I bbeg to differ with you mary on the competition not having x or y. you have 
not  have  time  to play with the android o preview on the competition latform 
so I wonder how you can come to your conclusions on  whathe completion has or 
does not have in their products .i don’t jump to conclusions on things that I 
have not tried on I o s 11. So I would much rather wait and see what each 
platform has before jumping to conclusions. There are things cooking on both 
platform for all of  us to enjoy in the long run. That’s  what I like about 
compepition. One comes with an innovative mouse trap and the other counters 
with a better mouse trap. It’s this competition  which makes our lives great on 
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Re: Removal of 3D Touch app switching gesture in iOS 11 confirmed as intentional change

[Mary Otten]

The impression I got from the article was that this button goes away in ios11. 
11. Maybe I misunderstood what I read. I hope I did, because I use that a lot. 
And I'm aware of the app switcher. I'm also aware that the home button is 
apparently going away completely in terms of a physical feelable button on the 
next phone. So it will be interesting how Apple makes that easily findable with 
VO.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
> 
> Mary,
> When you go into a link from an e-mail, there is a return to mail button in 
> the top left corner.  As far as returning to a previous app is concerned, we 
> have an app switcher for that.
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Re: Removal of 3D Touch app switching gesture in iOS 11 confirmed as intentional change

[Chris Moore]

Mary,
When you go into a link from an e-mail, there is a return to mail button in the 
top left corner.  As far as returning to a previous app is concerned, we have 
an app switcher for that.

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Re: Removal of 3D Touch app switching gesture in iOS 11 confirmed as intentional change

[Mary Otten]

Well multitasking was never on the phone, right? And they're really improving 
it on the iPad. I guess they figure the iPad is big enough to really do it 
effectively. But switching  apps seems like a good thing. The competition 
doesn't have a good way to do it either except if you

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 30, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> 
> H, the 3D touch gesture where you press on the left edge of the screen to 
> bring up app switcher still works. what doesn’t work is the 4-finger swipe to 
> move between apps. This makes me extremely sad as I love that gesture and 
> used it all the time. 
> 
> I’d be curious to know the reasoning behind removing such things as 
> multi-tasking when those are the very things people really want and, I 
> assume, the competition has had for a while now.
>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 7:58 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, this is from a public source. So hopefully it's OK to post here. 
>> Bummer. This and the loss of the ability to return to the previous app you 
>> were in from another app or unfortunate. I use that last feature a lot to go 
>> back to mail when I've gone to a website. I wonder why they're doing this.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Removal of 3D Touch app switching gesture in iOS 11 confirmed as intentional 
>> change
>> 9to5Mac  /  Benjamin Mayo
>> 
>> 
>> Whilst iOS 11 includes a lot of new stuff to enjoy, there are also a few 
>> features that have been left behind. One such example is a lesser-known 3D 
>> Touch gesture that enabled faster access to the iPhone app switcher and a 
>> quick shortcut to move back to the previous app. Both of these elements are 
>> no longer present in iOS 11 and a bug report appears to confirm that this 
>> was an intentional removal rather than an outstanding bug.
>> 
>> 
>> Bryan Irace filed a Radar about the removal of the 3D Touch convenience 
>> gesture and posted the Apple engineer’s reply on Twitter.
>> 
>> Short but sweet, it unfortunately states that the feature has been removed 
>> on purpose and will not be returning: ‘Please know that this feature was 
>> intentionally removed.’
>> 
>> In case you aren’t aware exactly what feature we are referencing, try it out 
>> for yourself: on an iOS 10 device with 3D Touch, iPhone 6s or iPhone 7, 
>> press deeply at the left edge of the screen to open the app switcher.
>> 
>> Instead of lifting immediately, drag across to seamlessly switch from the 
>> current app to the previous one. This was much faster than double-tapping 
>> the Home Button and dragging between open app ‘cards’, but will simply stop 
>> working when users upgrade to iOS 11.
>> 
>> Apple engineering has confirmed that 3D Touch multitasking was intentionally 
>> removed in iOS 11. I am livid. pic.twitter.com/kiCcLq9XMB
>> 
>> — Bryan Irace (@irace) June 30, 2017
>> 
>> 
>> You can see Craig Federighi demo the gesture at the original iPhone 6s event 
>> below, which heralded 3D Touch as a marquee feature. It’s fair to say that 
>> the functionality was not a critical part of the iOS experience; it was 
>> meant as a power user shortcut to a very common action.
>> 
>> It’s unclear why Apple would remove something that was so useful — perhaps 
>> it interferes with the gestures of the upcoming bezel-less iPhone 8 somehow, 
>> although it’s hard to envision how it might clash.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Original Article: 
>> https://9to5mac.com/2017/06/30/ios-11-3d-touch-app-switching-gesture-removed/
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Removal of 3D Touch app switching gesture in iOS 11 confirmed as intentional change

[Jenine Stanley]

H, the 3D touch gesture where you press on the left edge of the screen to 
bring up app switcher still works. what doesn’t work is the 4-finger swipe to 
move between apps. This makes me extremely sad as I love that gesture and used 
it all the time. 

I’d be curious to know the reasoning behind removing such things as 
multi-tasking when those are the very things people really want and, I assume, 
the competition has had for a while now.
> On Jun 30, 2017, at 7:58 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Well, this is from a public source. So hopefully it's OK to post here. 
> Bummer. This and the loss of the ability to return to the previous app you 
> were in from another app or unfortunate. I use that last feature a lot to go 
> back to mail when I've gone to a website. I wonder why they're doing this.
> Mary
> 
> Removal of 3D Touch app switching gesture in iOS 11 confirmed as intentional 
> change
> 9to5Mac  /  Benjamin Mayo
> 
>  
> 
> Whilst iOS 11 includes a lot of new stuff to enjoy, there are also a few 
> features that have been left behind. One such example is a lesser-known 3D 
> Touch gesture that enabled faster access to the iPhone app switcher and a 
> quick shortcut to move back to the previous app. Both of these elements are 
> no longer present in iOS 11 and a bug report appears to confirm that this was 
> an intentional removal rather than an outstanding bug.
> 
> 
> Bryan Irace filed a Radar about the removal of the 3D Touch convenience 
> gesture and posted the Apple engineer’s reply on Twitter 
> .
> 
> Short but sweet, it unfortunately states that the feature has been removed on 
> purpose and will not be returning: ‘Please know that this feature was 
> intentionally removed.’
> 
> In case you aren’t aware exactly what feature we are referencing, try it out 
> for yourself: on an iOS 10 device with 3D Touch, iPhone 6s or iPhone 7, press 
> deeply at the left edge of the screen to open the app switcher.
> 
> Instead of lifting immediately, drag across to seamlessly switch from the 
> current app to the previous one. This was much faster than double-tapping the 
> Home Button and dragging between open app ‘cards’, but will simply stop 
> working when users upgrade to iOS 11.
> 
> Apple engineering has confirmed that 3D Touch multitasking was intentionally 
> removed in iOS 11. I am livid. pic.twitter.com/kiCcLq9XMB 
> 
> — Bryan Irace (@irace) June 30, 2017 
> 
> 
> You can see Craig Federighi demo the gesture at the original iPhone 6s event 
> below, which heralded 3D Touch as a marquee feature. It’s fair to say that 
> the functionality was not a critical part of the iOS experience; it was meant 
> as a power user shortcut to a very common action.
> 
> It’s unclear why Apple would remove something that was so useful — perhaps it 
> interferes with the gestures of the upcoming bezel-less iPhone 8 somehow, 
> although it’s hard to envision how it might clash.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Original Article: 
> https://9to5mac.com/2017/06/30/ios-11-3d-touch-app-switching-gesture-removed/ 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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[Stacey Robinson]

I have subscribed to one podcast so far on my phone with the podcasts app from 
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Removal of 3D Touch app switching gesture in iOS 11 confirmed as intentional change

[Mary Otten]

Well, this is from a public source. So hopefully it's OK to post here. Bummer. 
This and the loss of the ability to return to the previous app you were in from 
another app or unfortunate. I use that last feature a lot to go back to mail 
when I've gone to a website. I wonder why they're doing this.
Mary

Removal of 3D Touch app switching gesture in iOS 11 confirmed as intentional 
change
9to5Mac  /  Benjamin Mayo


Whilst iOS 11 includes a lot of new stuff to enjoy, there are also a few 
features that have been left behind. One such example is a lesser-known 3D 
Touch gesture that enabled faster access to the iPhone app switcher and a quick 
shortcut to move back to the previous app. Both of these elements are no longer 
present in iOS 11 and a bug report appears to confirm that this was an 
intentional removal rather than an outstanding bug.


Bryan Irace filed a Radar about the removal of the 3D Touch convenience gesture 
and posted the Apple engineer’s reply on Twitter.

Short but sweet, it unfortunately states that the feature has been removed on 
purpose and will not be returning: ‘Please know that this feature was 
intentionally removed.’

In case you aren’t aware exactly what feature we are referencing, try it out 
for yourself: on an iOS 10 device with 3D Touch, iPhone 6s or iPhone 7, press 
deeply at the left edge of the screen to open the app switcher.

Instead of lifting immediately, drag across to seamlessly switch from the 
current app to the previous one. This was much faster than double-tapping the 
Home Button and dragging between open app ‘cards’, but will simply stop working 
when users upgrade to iOS 11.

Apple engineering has confirmed that 3D Touch multitasking was intentionally 
removed in iOS 11. I am livid. pic.twitter.com/kiCcLq9XMB

— Bryan Irace (@irace) June 30, 2017

You can see Craig Federighi demo the gesture at the original iPhone 6s event 
below, which heralded 3D Touch as a marquee feature. It’s fair to say that the 
functionality was not a critical part of the iOS experience; it was meant as a 
power user shortcut to a very common action.

It’s unclear why Apple would remove something that was so useful — perhaps it 
interferes with the gestures of the upcoming bezel-less iPhone 8 somehow, 
although it’s hard to envision how it might clash.





Original Article: 
https://9to5mac.com/2017/06/30/ios-11-3d-touch-app-switching-gesture-removed/


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Re: Frustrating verification code issue.

[Ray Foret jr]

IF you hav another device, you might send the code to that device and type it 
out on the actual phone you want to enter it in to.  Remember, those 
verification codes are rather time sensitive so it really helps if you can send 
that code to another device.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
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Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

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> On Jun 30, 2017, at 5:43 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> No matter what i do  the Verification code i get when i sign in to the apple 
> beta software seems to be wrong.
> I don’t know what’s up but to me it seems i am following the right steps to 
> sign in.
> I have my Iphone at hand and when i sign in with my Password i get the icloud 
> message if i would like this mac to allow to sign in and i click allow on my 
> Iphone.
> I then get the verification code and meticulous so that the cursor is at the 
> first text field.
> THen when i type i always check so i have written the right code.
> THen i click Continue.
> No go.
> I admit that the Verification code is great but sometimes frustrating with 
> Voiceover.
> But i wont give this up as i know it should work.
> Any thoughts though of what might be wrong?
> Thanks in advance.
> /A
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Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Too bad. By the way, IPv4 addresses in North America are exhausted.
There are none to be had, and haven't been any for a couple years now,
except that someone gives up some they have.

https://www.arin.net/resources/request/ipv4_countdown.html

Simon Fogarty writes:
> The university I work at isnt' even looking at ipv6,
> 
> We've just started immplimenting a new network inferstructure and IP V 6 was 
> demed to out of scope for this prject.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, 1 July 2017 5:41 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How to use terminal?
> 
> That's funny about MIT. What's actually happening is that they're finally 
> moving to IPv6. They're among the last to adopt 6, in part because they early 
> on acquired so much 4 space.
> 
> So, this complainant is behind the times. Innovating for 4 is no longer 
> forward thinking, imo.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Jonathan Cohn writes:
> > Ah yes finger… I believe I used that on systems other than Unix. Certainly 
> > there is a finger protocol in addition to the who protocol on the network. 
> > So, in college I would finger users on Columbia and MIT well known public 
> > servers and then start chat sessions with them. 
> > 
> > On a slightly different note: I was reading in Facebook today about MIT 
> > giving up half of its /8 IPv4 address space and this one individual was 
> > complaining about how being reduced to 18 million addresses and by default 
> > getting a non-public IP address  was stifling innovation on campus. 
> >  
> > Best wishes,
> > 
> > Jonathan Cohn
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > On Jun 30, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Scott Granados  
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > I love the grep command.  I used to have a port for windows way back 
> > > in the day.  It’s funny some of the terms and commands, grep, grock, 
> > > gopher, lynx and so on.  We’ll leave finger out of it for now.;)
> > > 
> > > 
> > >> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:16 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > >>  wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> My favorite obscure command is grep. I believe it means "get 
> > >> repetition." Checking with Wikipedia I find it's a bit more elaborate:
> > >> "globally search a regular expression and print."
> > >> 
> > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> Anyway you slice it, it's a funny way to say "Find!"
> > >> I wonder whether Google Maps, or Amazon Echo would respond to "grep 
> > >> store?" I'll have to test out of morbid curiosity.
> > >> 
> > >> Janina
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> Scott Granados writes:
> > >>> No I get super user, I’ve heard root referred to as the super user 
> > >>> for years I just didn’t think su was super user because it associates 
> > >>> to all users not just root.
> > >>> 
> > >>> For example, typing su - Janina would switch to and use the 
> > >>> environmental variables of the Janina account.  Simply doing su - 
> > >>> with no user selects root probably telling you what you already 
> > >>> know.  (The trailing - using the environmental variables of the 
> > >>> target user instead of the originating user)
> > >>> 
> > >>> Here’s an article from wikipedia that seems to indicate we’re all 
> > >>> right.  SU can mean switch user, substitute user or super user.  
> > >>> Interesting.  Read more here.
> > >>> 
> > >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
> > >>> 
> > >>> Makes me wonder what other command acronyms I have taken for 
> > >>> granted.  Ping is my favorite so far, packet internet groper if 
> > >>> memory serves.:)
> > >>> 
> >  On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >   wrote:
> >  
> >  Hey, Scott:
> >  
> >  The feeling is mutual.
> >  
> >  
> >  There's a bit more vocabulary associated with su. It's super user 
> >  because this is the user with extraordinary powers that will 
> >  trump all other permissions on the system.
> >  
> >  Simple example: If you have multiple users and one forgets their 
> >  password, the super user can reset that user's password.
> >  
> >  Janina
> >  
> >  Scott Granados writes:
> > > And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really 
> > > does not necessarily switching to root although that’s the most 
> > > common use.  Learn something new everytime you post, how about that!
> > > 
> > >> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > >>  wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
> > >> 
> > >> Jonathan Cohn writes:
> > >>> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your 
> > >>> password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
> > >>> 
> > >>> Sudo 

RE: iOS 11 adds music playback controls to Apple's AirPods - CNET

[Simon Fogarty]

Thanks Mark,

Might have to have a play with this laterr and see what it's like 



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Friday, 30 June 2017 12:43 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: iOS 11 adds music playback controls to Apple's AirPods - CNET

iOS 11 adds music playback controls to Apple's AirPods - CNET CNET How To - 
Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 5:00 AM

While there may not be a massive software update for Apple's AirPods 
themselves, iOS 11 allows you to set different functionality when you 
double-tap either AirPod.
Meaning, you can use the left AirPod to Play/Pause your music and the right to 
go to the Next track. Or leave one AirPod to activate Siri while the other is 
assigned another task.
Here's how you to make your AirPods even better:
Open the Settings app on your iOS device.
Tap Bluetooth.
Select the "i" icon next to your AirPod's name.
  
Your AirPods will need to be connected to your device in order for the complete 
settings page to show up. Once there, you can change each Pod's double-tap 
action. The options include: Siri, Play/Pause, Next Track, Previous Track, Off.
Now, if only Apple can figure out an easier way to control volume using an 
AirPod without having to use Siri.

ORIGINAL ARTICLE AT:
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/ios-11-adds-music-playback-controls-to-apples-ai
rpods/#ftag=CAD5457c2c


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RE: How to use terminal?

[Simon Fogarty]

The university I work at isnt' even looking at ipv6,

We've just started immplimenting a new network inferstructure and IP V 6 was 
demed to out of scope for this prject.

-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, 1 July 2017 5:41 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to use terminal?

That's funny about MIT. What's actually happening is that they're finally 
moving to IPv6. They're among the last to adopt 6, in part because they early 
on acquired so much 4 space.

So, this complainant is behind the times. Innovating for 4 is no longer forward 
thinking, imo.

Janina

Jonathan Cohn writes:
> Ah yes finger… I believe I used that on systems other than Unix. Certainly 
> there is a finger protocol in addition to the who protocol on the network. 
> So, in college I would finger users on Columbia and MIT well known public 
> servers and then start chat sessions with them. 
> 
> On a slightly different note: I was reading in Facebook today about MIT 
> giving up half of its /8 IPv4 address space and this one individual was 
> complaining about how being reduced to 18 million addresses and by default 
> getting a non-public IP address  was stifling innovation on campus. 
>  
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jun 30, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Scott Granados  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > I love the grep command.  I used to have a port for windows way back 
> > in the day.  It’s funny some of the terms and commands, grep, grock, 
> > gopher, lynx and so on.  We’ll leave finger out of it for now.;)
> > 
> > 
> >> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:16 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> My favorite obscure command is grep. I believe it means "get 
> >> repetition." Checking with Wikipedia I find it's a bit more elaborate:
> >> "globally search a regular expression and print."
> >> 
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Anyway you slice it, it's a funny way to say "Find!"
> >> I wonder whether Google Maps, or Amazon Echo would respond to "grep 
> >> store?" I'll have to test out of morbid curiosity.
> >> 
> >> Janina
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Scott Granados writes:
> >>> No I get super user, I’ve heard root referred to as the super user 
> >>> for years I just didn’t think su was super user because it associates to 
> >>> all users not just root.
> >>> 
> >>> For example, typing su - Janina would switch to and use the 
> >>> environmental variables of the Janina account.  Simply doing su - 
> >>> with no user selects root probably telling you what you already 
> >>> know.  (The trailing - using the environmental variables of the 
> >>> target user instead of the originating user)
> >>> 
> >>> Here’s an article from wikipedia that seems to indicate we’re all right.  
> >>> SU can mean switch user, substitute user or super user.  Interesting.  
> >>> Read more here.
> >>> 
> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
> >>> 
> >>> Makes me wonder what other command acronyms I have taken for 
> >>> granted.  Ping is my favorite so far, packet internet groper if 
> >>> memory serves.:)
> >>> 
>  On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>   wrote:
>  
>  Hey, Scott:
>  
>  The feeling is mutual.
>  
>  
>  There's a bit more vocabulary associated with su. It's super user 
>  because this is the user with extraordinary powers that will 
>  trump all other permissions on the system.
>  
>  Simple example: If you have multiple users and one forgets their 
>  password, the super user can reset that user's password.
>  
>  Janina
>  
>  Scott Granados writes:
> > And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really 
> > does not necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common 
> > use.  Learn something new everytime you post, how about that!
> > 
> >> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
> >> 
> >> Jonathan Cohn writes:
> >>> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your 
> >>> password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
> >>> 
> >>> Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged 
> >>> user on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra 
> >>> due to extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or 
> >>> modified when you use the sudo command. 
> >>> Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute 
> >>> user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions 
> >>> for a while. 
> >>> 
> >>> sudo is a bit more 

RE: Full Article: iOS 11 public beta: What it does for the iPhone - CNET

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah it's not like they could miss the towers off in the distance.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Saturday, 1 July 2017 4:19 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Full Article: iOS 11 public beta: What it does for the iPhone - 
CNET

Simon, the terrorists don’t need or care about GPS.  When you’re a terrorist 
you’re not going for the super high tech high end solution.  You’re going for 
the biggest bang for the smallest buck.  They didn’t need GPS for 9-11, just 
about 20 bucks worth of box cutters.  This relates back to something my father 
who was a Marine told me.  During the Vietnam era we had started to use very 
high tech weapons like  advanced infrared night vision, smart bombs and such.  
The Vietnamese resistance would fool our night vision systems by leaving metal 
out during the day so it got super heated in the sun.  Then, at night they 
would scatter large chunks of super hot metal around which would confuse our 
night vision and make the pilots think they were looking at camp fires not 
decoys.  We’d bomb the hell out of an empty patch of jungle while the enemy 
operated free and clear while we were distracted.  Same deal here it’s all 
about the low tech solution to a high tech adversary.



> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:42 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Think of what the terrorists would do if they could use military grade 
> GPS, Would open a new door of problems for everyone.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2017 11:26 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Full Article: iOS 11 public beta: What it does for the 
> iPhone - CNET
> 
> You got that right about the military signals. Not going to happen.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I had the exact same thought.  I wonder if they use the gyro or something to 
>> help.  Plus you have the regular deviation in the GPS signal depending on 
>> signal conditions.
>>   I wish we could get access to the military encrypted signals, sub meter 
>> way finding would be nice.
>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 7:11 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I remember that portable receiver as well. I will be curious if you 
>>> try it. The problem I see with this approach is that the actual GPS 
>>> Mark, so to  speak, is often some ways away from the actual building 
>>> you're trying to go to. It might be in a parking lot for instance. 
>>> Or so I have heard from the makers of nearby explorer and Seeing Eye 
>>> GPS. The folks who decide where exactly on the map or whatever it is 
>>> that GPS is keying on our more interested in cars getting to where 
>>> they're going and pedestrians
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 28, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Good ol Smith-Kettlewell, I remember building some of their projects when 
 I was in school.  I will definitely check out this app.
 The physical talking signs unit was very simple but effective.  You 
 pointed a small IR receiver that converted the IR signal to speech and the 
 clearer the sound the more closely aligned to the correct direction you 
 were.  They put transmitters over the tracks at the train station with the 
 track number for example or over the Subway sub shop sign directly over 
 the door.
 
 
> On Jun 27, 2017, at 5:30 PM, David Chittenden  
> wrote:
> 
> Smith-Kettlewell, the developers of Talking Signs, put out an app called 
> Over There, which works on the iPhone like the Talking Signs receiver. It 
> uses GPS and the Google Places database.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 27/06/2017, at 23:55, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, in door navigation, that’s a very cool feature if in fact it’s 
>> included.  How will this work off bluetooth beacons or something 
>> different?  I used to like the talking signs system that was deployed in 
>> several public transit and similar areas in San Francisco.  Used very 
>> simple analog Infrared signals but was fairly effective.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 26, 2017, at 10:36 PM, Jonathan Cohn  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This was one sighted person describing what they found in the new beta. 
>>> Just because accessibility wasn't mentioned doesn't mean that nothing 
>>> was added to accessibility.
>>> 
>>> I did catch something on the keynote that I have heard nobody talk 

Frustrating verification code issue.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
No matter what i do  the Verification code i get when i sign in to the apple 
beta software seems to be wrong.
I don’t know what’s up but to me it seems i am following the right steps to 
sign in.
I have my Iphone at hand and when i sign in with my Password i get the icloud 
message if i would like this mac to allow to sign in and i click allow on my 
Iphone.
I then get the verification code and meticulous so that the cursor is at the 
first text field.
THen when i type i always check so i have written the right code.
THen i click Continue.
No go.
I admit that the Verification code is great but sometimes frustrating with 
Voiceover.
But i wont give this up as i know it should work.
Any thoughts though of what might be wrong?
Thanks in advance.
/A

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RE: Pages book

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Ann,

When will you if possible this is be putting out a manual for numbers?



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Saturday, 1 July 2017 1:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pages book

Hello Harry,

If you look at Appendix 5, you’ll find how to get Home, End, etc on a laptop.

Cheers,

Anne



On 30 Jun 2017, at 14:42, Harry Bell 
> wrote:

Hello, Anne!
I've started reading your book and I have come across instructions to tap 
VO-Home and also reference to a Page Down or Page Up Key. On my MacBook 2009 I 
have large print stickers and no number pad: how can I find these Home, Page 
Down, Page Up keys?
Thanks
Harry

On 29 Jun 2017, at 18:04, Anne Robertson 
> wrote:
Hello Harry,

It explains how to get around Pages without getting stuck anywhere. There are 
times when you have to turn cursor tracking off to avoid that problem, or to 
avoid changing something you don’t want to change.
I tested everything over and over again as we wrote the book and I have no 
sight at all to get myself out of difficulties by looking at the screen.
Cheers,

Anne



On 29 Jun 2017, at 16:34, Harry Bell 
> wrote:

Marvellous! I've ordered it now! Will it tell me how to get the voiceover focus 
back into a Pages document in order to edit when I'm stuck because focus has 
inexplicably got stuck going round the fonts and styles in the panel to the 
right of the actual Pages document?
Thanks
Harry

On 29 Jun 2017, at 15:12, Anne Robertson 
> wrote:
Hello Harry,

Here’s the link to the web page where you can purchase the Pages book:


I’m afraid it only covers Pages on the Mac.

Cheers,

Anne



On 29 Jun 2017, at 14:32, Harry Bell 
> wrote:

Oh, is there a Pages book??? I love the Mac Basics book and I really struggle 
with Pages and would love to get a book to help with Pages on Mac (and on iOS 
too!)
Harry


On 29 Jun 2017, at 13:12, Caitlyn Furness 
> wrote:

Hi Ann,

When I looked up the shortcut on apple’s pages site, it said to use fn command 
return..  I was just confused at first because on my i mac, I am using an 
extended keyboard.  I thought the fn key was only for the little bluetooth 
keyboards and laptops..

Oh, well, live and learn!  thanks for answering, and I love your pages book, 
still going through it..

Cait


On Jun 29, 2017, at 3:34 AM, Anne Robertson 
> wrote:

The page break shortcut works just fine. What you have to remember is that 
Enter is not Return but FN-Return on a laptop, or the Enter key on the numpad 
of an extended keyboard.

Cheers,

Anne




On 28 Jun 2017, at 19:24, Jonathan C. Cohn 
> wrote:



You should be able to make any menu item a keyboard shortcut, if you need to. 
This has  been discussed on the list before. Also, please don't just reply to a 
message especially if you don't change the subject.
You need to modify application shortcuts in the keyboard panel of System 
Preferences.

On Jun 28, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Caitlyn Furness 
> wrote:

Hi,
I am having trouble with pages.

There is supposed to be a keyboard shortcut, command enter, which makes a page 
break.  when I hit this, my mac makes a bonking noise, and I am unable to 
perform the keyboard shortcut.  If I go to the insert section on the menu bar, 
and choose insert page break, then it works.

Is there any fix for this??  I’d love to be able to use this keyboard shortcut 
versus going through the menu bar..

thanks!
Caitlyn
ps-I am thinking about getting Scrivener, any users of that particular app here?

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RE: Getting Internet Explorer Favorites in to Safari

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Brian,

As a windows user I can tell you that moving favourites from IE on one machine 
to another can be done by going into c: then users and under the profile 
username and copying the favourites folder to a USB flash drive and then 
pasting that folder in to the same location on the other machine,

 So if you can grab the folder of favorites from the windows machine, 
Is there a folder you can paste those favorites into on the mac to get safari 
to see them?

 Surely there is some way of this being done.
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On Behalf Of Brian Hansen
Sent: Friday, 30 June 2017 3:58 PM
To: Mac Visionaries 
Subject: Re: Getting Internet Explorer Favorites in to Safari

So far, all of my Google searches have come up empty on an alternative way of 
getting the favorites in to Safari.  It seems that unless they’re exported out 
of IE, then there’s no way to get them into Safari.  I would have thought that 
someone would have come up with some kind of third party app to handle the 
conversion process.  Oh well.

Blessings,

Brian

> On Jun 29, 2017, at 5:14 PM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
> wrote:
> 
> There might be a better way, but all I can think of would require a friend 
> with Windows willing to help.  Windows 7 retains this scheme and I think 
> Windows 10 does as well but I didn’t use that for long so I am not completely 
> certain.  If the favorites were copied to a subfolder under the favorites on 
> another Windows instance, then I think Chrome or Firefox would be able to 
> import them.  They could then be exported again to a bookmark file that 
> Safari can import.  But before going to all that trouble I’d just do a search 
> of the web and see what turns up.
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 1:25 PM, Brian Hansen  wrote:
>> 
>> A friend of mine has replaced his dead PC with a Mac mini.  He has a backup 
>> folder containing all of his IE favorites that he would like to some how 
>> import into Safari so they all don't have to be recreated by hand.  Since 
>> they were not exported out of IE, they are in their individual files and 
>> sub-folder structure straight out of Windows XP.  Is there a way to import 
>> them in and/or copy them into Safari in their present state, or is he just 
>> out of luck on this one?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
>> 
>> Blessings,
>> 
>> Brian
>> 
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Re: Disk Warrior

[Marshall Scott]

Hi, Folks
Thanks for the information.  I called Alsoft and talking to someone who didn't 
know anything of use, decided to take the computer to a local repair shop that 
deals with Apple products.  Hopefully they will be able to recover much of the 
information on the disk.
Thanks,
Marshall

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I used it five years ago or so.  At that time there were two uses.
> 
> 1. periodic monitoring of the disk. This just used Apple controls and I seem 
> to remember it being slightly accessible, but that some things required some 
> work to access.
> 
> The second use was when your disk was entirely messed up and you wanted to 
> try and correct the HFS structures. This required booting with a CD (probably 
> flash would have worked). It then scans your disk in several ways to restore 
> files that have lost their directory structure or other disk forensics. This 
> was completely inaccessible at the time, and I believe it was essentially a 
> mini system just dedicated to working on the disk drives.
> 
> Though I could n't read the procedures it was quite effective at getting a 
> 3/4 dead disk up enough so that I could copy it to an external drive before 
> replacing the drive.
> 
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> On 28 June 2017 at 12:40, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> Hi!
> From what i remember it should work but it was a bit complicated.
> I really don’t remember what it could do but i remember trying it out.
> /A
> > 28 juni 2017 kl. 17:42 skrev Marshall Scott  > >:
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> > First of all, forgive me if this message is duplicated.  I had a little 
> > trouble with my network this morning.
> > My question is:  Does Disk Warrior work with Voiceover?  I tried  calling 
> > Alsoft and couldn't get any reliable information.
> > Thanks,
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Re: How to use terminal?

[Pete Nalda]

There are only a few additions ip v6 has. Learn IPv4 and you're 75% there! ;)

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> On Jun 30, 2017, at 12:40 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's funny about MIT. What's actually happening is that they're
> finally moving to IPv6. They're among the last to adopt 6, in part
> because they early on acquired so much 4 space.
> 
> So, this complainant is behind the times. Innovating for 4 is no longer
> forward thinking, imo.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>> Ah yes finger… I believe I used that on systems other than Unix. Certainly 
>> there is a finger protocol in addition to the who protocol on the network. 
>> So, in college I would finger users on Columbia and MIT well known public 
>> servers and then start chat sessions with them. 
>> 
>> On a slightly different note: I was reading in Facebook today about MIT 
>> giving up half of its /8 IPv4 address space and this one individual was 
>> complaining about how being reduced to 18 million addresses and by default 
>> getting a non-public IP address  was stifling innovation on campus. 
>> 
>>Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I love the grep command.  I used to have a port for windows way back in the 
>>> day.  It’s funny some of the terms and commands, grep, grock, gopher, lynx 
>>> and so on.  We’ll leave finger out of it for now.;)
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:16 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 My favorite obscure command is grep. I believe it means "get
 repetition." Checking with Wikipedia I find it's a bit more elaborate:
 "globally search a regular expression and print."
 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep
 
 
 Anyway you slice it, it's a funny way to say "Find!"
 I wonder whether Google Maps, or Amazon Echo would respond to "grep
 store?" I'll have to test out of morbid curiosity.
 
 Janina
 
 
 Scott Granados writes:
> No I get super user, I’ve heard root referred to as the super user for 
> years I just didn’t think su was super user because it 
> associates to all users not just root.
> 
> For example, typing su - Janina would switch to and use the environmental 
> variables of the Janina account.  Simply doing su - with no user selects 
> root probably telling you what you already know.  (The trailing - using 
> the environmental variables of the target user instead of the originating 
> user)
> 
> Here’s an article from wikipedia that seems to indicate we’re all right.  
> SU can mean switch user, substitute user or super user.  Interesting.  
> Read more here.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
> 
> Makes me wonder what other command acronyms I have taken for granted.  
> Ping is my favorite so far, packet internet groper if memory serves.:)
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey, Scott:
>> 
>> The feeling is mutual.
>> 
>> 
>> There's a bit more vocabulary associated with su. It's super user
>> because this is the user with extraordinary powers that will trump all
>> other permissions on the system.
>> 
>> Simple example: If you have multiple users and one forgets their
>> password, the super user can reset that user's password.
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> Scott Granados writes:
>>> And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really 
>>> does not necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common 
>>> use.  Learn something new everytime you post, how about that!
>>> 
 On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
 
 Jonathan Cohn writes:
> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your 
> password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
> 
> Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged 
> user on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra 
> due to extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or 
> modified when you use the sudo command. 
> Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute 
> user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions 
> for a while. 
> 
> sudo is a bit more secure in that:
> 1. There 

Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

A simple dash may work as well. I don't know.

Man, I miss Sun hardware! Can't say I miss Sun OS particularly, but they
built some fun hardware in their day.

Scott Granados writes:
> I started using the dash flag back in the Solaris / SunOS days and have stuck 
> with it.  I will have to try your method.
> 
> 
> > On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:11 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Well, according to Wikipedia, it seems we're all correct:
> > 
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
> > 
> > 
> > PS: To become another user I generally do:
> > 
> > su -u [user] -i
> > 
> > This insures I get the same environment that user gets on login-- the -i
> > flag. Frankly, I don't know whether that works the same on BSD or not.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Jonathan Cohn writes:
> >> I just verified from the Free BSD man pages and su is described as
> >> "substitute user identity".
> >> 
> >> So, if you are comfortable with terminal and share a machine with somebody,
> >> then the command:
> >> sudo su somebody -
> >> 
> >> will give you permission to see all that person's files. Of course any
> >> encrypted files like the keychain or one password crypt will still not be
> >> available to you. But all other files when accessed will look like they
> >> were accessed by somebody.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On 29 June 2017 at 11:37, Scott Granados  wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Let’s call it even, you just hipped me to the proper verbiage around su
> >>> and I hipped you back with the command n new window shortcut.  Sounds like
> >>> a fair trade.
> >>> 
>  On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:31 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
> >>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>  
>  Here we go -- I've been doing it the hard way! 
>  
>  Could I have noticed that? Probably. Did I? Not until you burned it into
>  my sometimes slow noggin! 
>  
>  Janina
>  
>  Scott Granados writes:
> > Or, if it’s easier, just do a command n for a new window and one will
> >>> automatically open.
> > 
> >> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:20 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
> >>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> And, when you get the "has no Windows" message, just open one. Do VO+m,
> >> and go to File then Open.
> >> 
> >> Scott Granados writes:
> >>> Just for the less experienced on the list, terminal is just dropping
> >>> you to a unix shell.  When you hear people talk about unix this is simply 
> >>> a
> >>> flavor of it that the pretty pictures part of Mac OS runs over.  It’s an
> >>> extremely powerful environment and also a well paying career path if you
> >>> learn the Unix based operating systems.
> >>> 
>  On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:36 AM, Sharon Hooley 
> >>> wrote:
>  
>  okay, I had success!  And now, for even more of a kick, does anyone
> >>> know how to make it say just anything you want to print command?
>  
>  Fun stuff,
>  
> > On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:51 PM, E.T. 
> >>> wrote:
> > 
> > Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In
> >>> some cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> > 
> > From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> > "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> > mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> > our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> > and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> > E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > 
> > On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent
> >>> earlier.  I found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found
> >>> my last log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know
> >>> where to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that
> >>> it said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put 
> >>> in
> >>> code?
> >> 
> >> Thanks,
> >> 
> >> 
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Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Scott, the problem is that MIT has ignored 6 until very recently.


I work via MIT hosted machines, a good number of which are not reachable
by 6, e.g. irc.w3.org


Scott Granados writes:
> Wow, parts of 18.0.0.0/8 up for grabs.  There’s a very simple and convincing 
> argument to that complainers issues with giving IP space.  It’s IP v6.:)
> 
> Something tells me that MIT has dual stack running very very well.  Give the 
> guy a /48 and tell him to pipe down. haha
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jun 30, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> > 
> > Ah yes finger… I believe I used that on systems other than Unix. Certainly 
> > there is a finger protocol in addition to the who protocol on the network. 
> > So, in college I would finger users on Columbia and MIT well known public 
> > servers and then start chat sessions with them. 
> > 
> > On a slightly different note: I was reading in Facebook today about MIT 
> > giving up half of its /8 IPv4 address space and this one individual was 
> > complaining about how being reduced to 18 million addresses and by default 
> > getting a non-public IP address  was stifling innovation on campus. 
> >  
> > Best wishes,
> > 
> > Jonathan Cohn
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> On Jun 30, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Scott Granados  >> > wrote:
> >> 
> >> I love the grep command.  I used to have a port for windows way back in 
> >> the day.  It’s funny some of the terms and commands, grep, grock, gopher, 
> >> lynx and so on.  We’ll leave finger out of it for now.;)
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:16 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  >>> > wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> My favorite obscure command is grep. I believe it means "get
> >>> repetition." Checking with Wikipedia I find it's a bit more elaborate:
> >>> "globally search a regular expression and print."
> >>> 
> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Anyway you slice it, it's a funny way to say "Find!"
> >>> I wonder whether Google Maps, or Amazon Echo would respond to "grep
> >>> store?" I'll have to test out of morbid curiosity.
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Scott Granados writes:
>  No I get super user, I’ve heard root referred to as the super user for 
>  years I just didn’t think su was super user because it 
>  associates to all users not just root.
>  
>  For example, typing su - Janina would switch to and use the 
>  environmental variables of the Janina account.  Simply doing su - with 
>  no user selects root probably telling you what you already know.  (The 
>  trailing - using the environmental variables of the target user instead 
>  of the originating user)
>  
>  Here’s an article from wikipedia that seems to indicate we’re all right. 
>   SU can mean switch user, substitute user or super user.  Interesting.  
>  Read more here.
>  
>  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
>  
>  Makes me wonder what other command acronyms I have taken for granted.  
>  Ping is my favorite so far, packet internet groper if memory serves.:)
>  
> > On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hey, Scott:
> > 
> > The feeling is mutual.
> > 
> > 
> > There's a bit more vocabulary associated with su. It's super user
> > because this is the user with extraordinary powers that will trump all
> > other permissions on the system.
> > 
> > Simple example: If you have multiple users and one forgets their
> > password, the super user can reset that user's password.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Scott Granados writes:
> >> And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really 
> >> does not necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common 
> >> use.  Learn something new everytime you post, how about that!
> >> 
> >>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
> >>> 
> >>> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>  Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your 
>  password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
>  
>  Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged 
>  user on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in 
>  Sierra due to extra security added, any file in user space can be 
>  viewed or modified when you use the sudo command. 
>  Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute 
>  user. This allows one to access the computer with another 

Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

That's funny about MIT. What's actually happening is that they're
finally moving to IPv6. They're among the last to adopt 6, in part
because they early on acquired so much 4 space.

So, this complainant is behind the times. Innovating for 4 is no longer
forward thinking, imo.

Janina

Jonathan Cohn writes:
> Ah yes finger… I believe I used that on systems other than Unix. Certainly 
> there is a finger protocol in addition to the who protocol on the network. 
> So, in college I would finger users on Columbia and MIT well known public 
> servers and then start chat sessions with them. 
> 
> On a slightly different note: I was reading in Facebook today about MIT 
> giving up half of its /8 IPv4 address space and this one individual was 
> complaining about how being reduced to 18 million addresses and by default 
> getting a non-public IP address  was stifling innovation on campus. 
>  
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jun 30, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Scott Granados  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > I love the grep command.  I used to have a port for windows way back in the 
> > day.  It’s funny some of the terms and commands, grep, grock, gopher, lynx 
> > and so on.  We’ll leave finger out of it for now.;)
> > 
> > 
> >> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:16 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> My favorite obscure command is grep. I believe it means "get
> >> repetition." Checking with Wikipedia I find it's a bit more elaborate:
> >> "globally search a regular expression and print."
> >> 
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Anyway you slice it, it's a funny way to say "Find!"
> >> I wonder whether Google Maps, or Amazon Echo would respond to "grep
> >> store?" I'll have to test out of morbid curiosity.
> >> 
> >> Janina
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Scott Granados writes:
> >>> No I get super user, I’ve heard root referred to as the super user for 
> >>> years I just didn’t think su was super user because it 
> >>> associates to all users not just root.
> >>> 
> >>> For example, typing su - Janina would switch to and use the environmental 
> >>> variables of the Janina account.  Simply doing su - with no user selects 
> >>> root probably telling you what you already know.  (The trailing - using 
> >>> the environmental variables of the target user instead of the originating 
> >>> user)
> >>> 
> >>> Here’s an article from wikipedia that seems to indicate we’re all right.  
> >>> SU can mean switch user, substitute user or super user.  Interesting.  
> >>> Read more here.
> >>> 
> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
> >>> 
> >>> Makes me wonder what other command acronyms I have taken for granted.  
> >>> Ping is my favorite so far, packet internet groper if memory serves.:)
> >>> 
>  On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>   wrote:
>  
>  Hey, Scott:
>  
>  The feeling is mutual.
>  
>  
>  There's a bit more vocabulary associated with su. It's super user
>  because this is the user with extraordinary powers that will trump all
>  other permissions on the system.
>  
>  Simple example: If you have multiple users and one forgets their
>  password, the super user can reset that user's password.
>  
>  Janina
>  
>  Scott Granados writes:
> > And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really 
> > does not necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common 
> > use.  Learn something new everytime you post, how about that!
> > 
> >> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
> >> 
> >> Jonathan Cohn writes:
> >>> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your 
> >>> password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
> >>> 
> >>> Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged 
> >>> user on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra 
> >>> due to extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or 
> >>> modified when you use the sudo command. 
> >>> Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute 
> >>> user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions 
> >>> for a while. 
> >>> 
> >>> sudo is a bit more secure in that:
> >>> 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what 
> >>> commands can be executed by whom whith what rights.
> >>> 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are 
> >>> trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do 
> >>> this work.
> >>> 
> >>> Take care,
> >>> Jonathan Cohn
> >>> 
> >>> 

Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I believe we have Heinlein to thank for "grok."  And, indeed, Wikipedia
confirms it was "Stranger in a Strange Land."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok


Gopher is gopher because it was developed at the University of
Minnesota, where all the sports teams are "Gophers." And, it made a
great pun on "go for" something or other, which is, of course, what it
did well, your Internet step and fetch command.

And, then there's the etymology of "debug," re Admiral Grace Hopper, et
al. Try this Wikipedia for that one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debug#Origin



Scott Granados writes:
> I love the grep command.  I used to have a port for windows way back in the 
> day.  It’s funny some of the terms and commands, grep, grock, gopher, lynx 
> and so on.  We’ll leave finger out of it for now.;)
>  
> 
> > On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:16 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > My favorite obscure command is grep. I believe it means "get
> > repetition." Checking with Wikipedia I find it's a bit more elaborate:
> > "globally search a regular expression and print."
> > 
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep
> > 
> > 
> > Anyway you slice it, it's a funny way to say "Find!"
> > I wonder whether Google Maps, or Amazon Echo would respond to "grep
> > store?" I'll have to test out of morbid curiosity.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 
> > Scott Granados writes:
> >> No I get super user, I’ve heard root referred to as the super user for 
> >> years I just didn’t think su was super user because it 
> >> associates to all users not just root.
> >> 
> >> For example, typing su - Janina would switch to and use the environmental 
> >> variables of the Janina account.  Simply doing su - with no user selects 
> >> root probably telling you what you already know.  (The trailing - using 
> >> the environmental variables of the target user instead of the originating 
> >> user)
> >> 
> >> Here’s an article from wikipedia that seems to indicate we’re all right.  
> >> SU can mean switch user, substitute user or super user.  Interesting.  
> >> Read more here.
> >> 
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
> >> 
> >> Makes me wonder what other command acronyms I have taken for granted.  
> >> Ping is my favorite so far, packet internet groper if memory serves.:)
> >> 
> >>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hey, Scott:
> >>> 
> >>> The feeling is mutual.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> There's a bit more vocabulary associated with su. It's super user
> >>> because this is the user with extraordinary powers that will trump all
> >>> other permissions on the system.
> >>> 
> >>> Simple example: If you have multiple users and one forgets their
> >>> password, the super user can reset that user's password.
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> Scott Granados writes:
>  And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really 
>  does not necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common 
>  use.  Learn something new everytime you post, how about that!
>  
> > On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
> > 
> > Jonathan Cohn writes:
> >> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your 
> >> password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
> >> 
> >> Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged 
> >> user on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra 
> >> due to extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or 
> >> modified when you use the sudo command. 
> >> Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute 
> >> user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions 
> >> for a while. 
> >> 
> >> sudo is a bit more secure in that:
> >> 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what 
> >> commands can be executed by whom whith what rights.
> >> 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are 
> >> trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do 
> >> this work.
> >> 
> >> Take care,
> >> Jonathan Cohn
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In 
> >>> some cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> >>> 
> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> >>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> >>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> >>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> >>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> >>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> >>> 

Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I've never used ex or ed, but they're both related to vi, now usually
vim (as in improved).

Deleting files with a particular word in the filename is trivial with
the rm command.

And, I believe you can grep the contents of nonbinary files for a
particular expresion and pipe the output to rm.

I suspect there's even a way to do that with sed, but I'd have to grep
around for that! 

Janina

Jonathan Cohn writes:
> Actually this is a good hint at how to do advanced commands in VI.
> 
> g/outahere/d 
> 
> will globally find every line with outta here in it and delete that line.
> 
> Perhaps we need a gred command to delete all files with a word in them :-) 
>  Actually makes me remember when I was only able to see two or three lines on 
> my Sun computer I switched from using vi to using ex. There were a couple 
> things that were difficult to do in ex blike joining two lines, but usually I 
> found I was less likely to lose the cursor in 30 lines of text, and could 
> usually get things done just as efficiently. I wonder, if we could take that 
> idea and pair it withBraille routing keys to make an efficient editor for 
> braille users. 
> 
> I expect this would be easier to create on a android based notetaker than on 
> a Macintosh.
> Any thoughts?
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:16 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > My favorite obscure command is grep. I believe it means "get
> > repetition." Checking with Wikipedia I find it's a bit more elaborate:
> > "globally search a regular expression and print."
> > 
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep
> > 
> > 
> > Anyway you slice it, it's a funny way to say "Find!"
> > I wonder whether Google Maps, or Amazon Echo would respond to "grep
> > store?" I'll have to test out of morbid curiosity.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 
> > Scott Granados writes:
> >> No I get super user, I’ve heard root referred to as the super user for 
> >> years I just didn’t think su was super user because it 
> >> associates to all users not just root.
> >> 
> >> For example, typing su - Janina would switch to and use the environmental 
> >> variables of the Janina account.  Simply doing su - with no user selects 
> >> root probably telling you what you already know.  (The trailing - using 
> >> the environmental variables of the target user instead of the originating 
> >> user)
> >> 
> >> Here’s an article from wikipedia that seems to indicate we’re all right.  
> >> SU can mean switch user, substitute user or super user.  Interesting.  
> >> Read more here.
> >> 
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
> >> 
> >> Makes me wonder what other command acronyms I have taken for granted.  
> >> Ping is my favorite so far, packet internet groper if memory serves.:)
> >> 
> >>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hey, Scott:
> >>> 
> >>> The feeling is mutual.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> There's a bit more vocabulary associated with su. It's super user
> >>> because this is the user with extraordinary powers that will trump all
> >>> other permissions on the system.
> >>> 
> >>> Simple example: If you have multiple users and one forgets their
> >>> password, the super user can reset that user's password.
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> Scott Granados writes:
>  And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really 
>  does not necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common 
>  use.  Learn something new everytime you post, how about that!
>  
> > On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
> > 
> > Jonathan Cohn writes:
> >> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your 
> >> password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
> >> 
> >> Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged 
> >> user on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra 
> >> due to extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or 
> >> modified when you use the sudo command. 
> >> Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute 
> >> user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions 
> >> for a while. 
> >> 
> >> sudo is a bit more secure in that:
> >> 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what 
> >> commands can be executed by whom whith what rights.
> >> 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are 
> >> trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do 
> >> this work.
> >> 
> >> Take care,
> >> Jonathan Cohn
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On Jun 27, 2017, 

Re: How to use terminal?

[Scott Granados]

Wow, parts of 18.0.0.0/8 up for grabs.  There’s a very simple and convincing 
argument to that complainers issues with giving IP space.  It’s IP v6.:)

Something tells me that MIT has dual stack running very very well.  Give the 
guy a /48 and tell him to pipe down. haha



> On Jun 30, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Ah yes finger… I believe I used that on systems other than Unix. Certainly 
> there is a finger protocol in addition to the who protocol on the network. 
> So, in college I would finger users on Columbia and MIT well known public 
> servers and then start chat sessions with them. 
> 
> On a slightly different note: I was reading in Facebook today about MIT 
> giving up half of its /8 IPv4 address space and this one individual was 
> complaining about how being reduced to 18 million addresses and by default 
> getting a non-public IP address  was stifling innovation on campus. 
>  
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> I love the grep command.  I used to have a port for windows way back in the 
>> day.  It’s funny some of the terms and commands, grep, grock, gopher, lynx 
>> and so on.  We’ll leave finger out of it for now.;)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:16 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>> > 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My favorite obscure command is grep. I believe it means "get
>>> repetition." Checking with Wikipedia I find it's a bit more elaborate:
>>> "globally search a regular expression and print."
>>> 
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Anyway you slice it, it's a funny way to say "Find!"
>>> I wonder whether Google Maps, or Amazon Echo would respond to "grep
>>> store?" I'll have to test out of morbid curiosity.
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Scott Granados writes:
 No I get super user, I’ve heard root referred to as the super user for 
 years I just didn’t think su was super user because it 
 associates to all users not just root.
 
 For example, typing su - Janina would switch to and use the environmental 
 variables of the Janina account.  Simply doing su - with no user selects 
 root probably telling you what you already know.  (The trailing - using 
 the environmental variables of the target user instead of the originating 
 user)
 
 Here’s an article from wikipedia that seems to indicate we’re all right.  
 SU can mean switch user, substitute user or super user.  Interesting.  
 Read more here.
 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
 
 Makes me wonder what other command acronyms I have taken for granted.  
 Ping is my favorite so far, packet internet groper if memory serves.:)
 
> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey, Scott:
> 
> The feeling is mutual.
> 
> 
> There's a bit more vocabulary associated with su. It's super user
> because this is the user with extraordinary powers that will trump all
> other permissions on the system.
> 
> Simple example: If you have multiple users and one forgets their
> password, the super user can reset that user's password.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Scott Granados writes:
>> And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really 
>> does not necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common 
>> use.  Learn something new everytime you post, how about that!
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn writes:
 Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your 
 password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
 
 Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged 
 user on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra 
 due to extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or 
 modified when you use the sudo command. 
 Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute 
 user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions 
 for a while. 
 
 sudo is a bit more secure in that:
 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what 
 commands can be executed by whom whith what rights.
 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are 
 trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do 
 this work.

Re: How to use terminal?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Ah yes finger… I believe I used that on systems other than Unix. Certainly 
there is a finger protocol in addition to the who protocol on the network. So, 
in college I would finger users on Columbia and MIT well known public servers 
and then start chat sessions with them. 

On a slightly different note: I was reading in Facebook today about MIT giving 
up half of its /8 IPv4 address space and this one individual was complaining 
about how being reduced to 18 million addresses and by default getting a 
non-public IP address  was stifling innovation on campus. 
 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 30, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I love the grep command.  I used to have a port for windows way back in the 
> day.  It’s funny some of the terms and commands, grep, grock, gopher, lynx 
> and so on.  We’ll leave finger out of it for now.;)
> 
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:16 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> My favorite obscure command is grep. I believe it means "get
>> repetition." Checking with Wikipedia I find it's a bit more elaborate:
>> "globally search a regular expression and print."
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep
>> 
>> 
>> Anyway you slice it, it's a funny way to say "Find!"
>> I wonder whether Google Maps, or Amazon Echo would respond to "grep
>> store?" I'll have to test out of morbid curiosity.
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> 
>> Scott Granados writes:
>>> No I get super user, I’ve heard root referred to as the super user for 
>>> years I just didn’t think su was super user because it 
>>> associates to all users not just root.
>>> 
>>> For example, typing su - Janina would switch to and use the environmental 
>>> variables of the Janina account.  Simply doing su - with no user selects 
>>> root probably telling you what you already know.  (The trailing - using the 
>>> environmental variables of the target user instead of the originating user)
>>> 
>>> Here’s an article from wikipedia that seems to indicate we’re all right.  
>>> SU can mean switch user, substitute user or super user.  Interesting.  Read 
>>> more here.
>>> 
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
>>> 
>>> Makes me wonder what other command acronyms I have taken for granted.  Ping 
>>> is my favorite so far, packet internet groper if memory serves.:)
>>> 
 On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hey, Scott:
 
 The feeling is mutual.
 
 
 There's a bit more vocabulary associated with su. It's super user
 because this is the user with extraordinary powers that will trump all
 other permissions on the system.
 
 Simple example: If you have multiple users and one forgets their
 password, the super user can reset that user's password.
 
 Janina
 
 Scott Granados writes:
> And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really 
> does not necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common 
> use.  Learn something new everytime you post, how about that!
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>>> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your 
>>> password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
>>> 
>>> Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged 
>>> user on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra 
>>> due to extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or 
>>> modified when you use the sudo command. 
>>> Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute 
>>> user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions 
>>> for a while. 
>>> 
>>> sudo is a bit more secure in that:
>>> 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what 
>>> commands can be executed by whom whith what rights.
>>> 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are 
>>> trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this 
>>> work.
>>> 
>>> Take care,
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In 
 some cases you may be asked for your log in password.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

Re: Full Article: iOS 11 public beta: What it does for the iPhone - CNET

[Scott Granados]

Simon, the terrorists don’t need or care about GPS.  When you’re a terrorist 
you’re not going for the super high tech high end solution.  You’re going for 
the biggest bang for the smallest buck.  They didn’t need GPS for 9-11, just 
about 20 bucks worth of box cutters.  This relates back to something my father 
who was a Marine told me.  During the Vietnam era we had started to use very 
high tech weapons like  advanced infrared night vision, smart bombs and such.  
The Vietnamese resistance would fool our night vision systems by leaving metal 
out during the day so it got super heated in the sun.  Then, at night they 
would scatter large chunks of super hot metal around which would confuse our 
night vision and make the pilots think they were looking at camp fires not 
decoys.  We’d bomb the hell out of an empty patch of jungle while the enemy 
operated free and clear while we were distracted.  Same deal here it’s all 
about the low tech solution to a high tech adversary.



> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:42 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Think of what the terrorists would do if they could use military grade GPS,
> Would open a new door of problems for everyone.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2017 11:26 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Full Article: iOS 11 public beta: What it does for the iPhone - 
> CNET
> 
> You got that right about the military signals. Not going to happen.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I had the exact same thought.  I wonder if they use the gyro or something to 
>> help.  Plus you have the regular deviation in the GPS signal depending on 
>> signal conditions.
>>   I wish we could get access to the military encrypted signals, sub meter 
>> way finding would be nice.
>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 7:11 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I remember that portable receiver as well. I will be curious if you try it. 
>>> The problem I see with this approach is that the actual GPS Mark, so to  
>>> speak, is often some ways away from the actual building you're trying to go 
>>> to. It might be in a parking lot for instance. Or so I have heard from the 
>>> makers of nearby explorer and Seeing Eye GPS. The folks who decide where 
>>> exactly on the map or whatever it is that GPS is keying on our more 
>>> interested in cars getting to where they're going and pedestrians
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 28, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Good ol Smith-Kettlewell, I remember building some of their projects when 
 I was in school.  I will definitely check out this app.
 The physical talking signs unit was very simple but effective.  You 
 pointed a small IR receiver that converted the IR signal to speech and the 
 clearer the sound the more closely aligned to the correct direction you 
 were.  They put transmitters over the tracks at the train station with the 
 track number for example or over the Subway sub shop sign directly over 
 the door.
 
 
> On Jun 27, 2017, at 5:30 PM, David Chittenden  
> wrote:
> 
> Smith-Kettlewell, the developers of Talking Signs, put out an app called 
> Over There, which works on the iPhone like the Talking Signs receiver. It 
> uses GPS and the Google Places database.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 27/06/2017, at 23:55, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, in door navigation, that’s a very cool feature if in fact it’s 
>> included.  How will this work off bluetooth beacons or something 
>> different?  I used to like the talking signs system that was deployed in 
>> several public transit and similar areas in San Francisco.  Used very 
>> simple analog Infrared signals but was fairly effective.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 26, 2017, at 10:36 PM, Jonathan Cohn  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This was one sighted person describing what they found in the new beta. 
>>> Just because accessibility wasn't mentioned doesn't mean that nothing 
>>> was added to accessibility.
>>> 
>>> I did catch something on the keynote that I have heard nobody talk 
>>> about.
>>> 
>>> Specifically indoor navigation with support for several malls and 
>>> airports. I highly expect Tysons Cornerr, a mall that is only two miles 
>>> from my house , to be a good candidate. Not only is the mall packed 
>>> every weekend and most evenings, it was also the site of the first 
>>> Apple Retail store. So I 

Re: Skype for business

[Scott Granados]

I’m running it on the Mac and it’s working pretty well.  Luckily, where I work 
they grant the engineers administrative access to their own laptops.  Of course 
most of our company works with virtual desktops so I’m glad to have a real 
machine at all, let alone a Mac with root.:)


> On Jun 30, 2017, at 9:34 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Ah, thanks for this Scott, my Windows environment has Skype for Business but 
> my Macintosh environment is still running with  Lync and I get errors on the 
> Macintosh side overtime time I try to change the list of contacts. It appears 
> I need to get IT to upgrade my Lync. Though they are still dragging their 
> feet on upgrades to Sierra. 
> 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:14 AM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> The Skype for business, at least on the Mac is accessible.  I think it’s 
>> gotomeeting that uses Skype for business as a valid data source.  I know I 
>> had a meeting invite the other day, clicked on the link and the Skype for 
>> business application started itself and connected me to the meeting.  The 
>> controls on the Skype for business AKA MS Link are also pretty accessible.  
>> Not sure if that helps at all but that might be a good solution to the video 
>> problem if Skype for business / link is supported.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:56 PM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi John,
>>> 
>>> I do have a dial-in number, so that will have to do, I suppose.  It's 
>>> unfortunate, b/c they wanted a video call.  I also have a test link.  I've 
>>> spent some time trying to access it from MY PC, but no joy.  So no need for 
>>> you to spend your time tomorrow trying to connect, but thank you very much 
>>> for the offer.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Jun 28, 2017, at 8:34 PM, Jonathan Cohn > wrote:
 
 Donna,
 
 While the web page is not very accessible, Go To Meeting always has the 
 option for doing call in to the meeting. I believe I have to Go To 
 Meetings tomorrow, so I could try to connect via Mac and/or Windows if you 
 like for the second meeting. I believe most screen sharing services for 
 web meetings are inaccessible for the blind. Microsoft Lync now re-branded 
 as Skype for Business could work with PowerPoint and JAWS though I think I 
 had to jigger things a bit to have the slides automatically read. 
 
 The only alternative I can see is requesting any presentation materials in 
 advance.
 
 
Best wishes,
 
 Jonathan Cohn
 
 
 
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 7:02 PM, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> thanks, David.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 6:00 PM, David Chittenden > > wrote:
>> 
>> No, Go To Meeting is not accessible.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 29/06/2017, at 04:57, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Can anyone tell me if Go to Meeting is accessible either on the Mac or 
>>> on Windows?  I'm trying to connect to a test session on my Mac and not 
>>> having any luck.
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
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Re: How to use terminal?

[Scott Granados]

I love the grep command.  I used to have a port for windows way back in the 
day.  It’s funny some of the terms and commands, grep, grock, gopher, lynx and 
so on.  We’ll leave finger out of it for now.;)
 

> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:16 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> My favorite obscure command is grep. I believe it means "get
> repetition." Checking with Wikipedia I find it's a bit more elaborate:
> "globally search a regular expression and print."
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep
> 
> 
> Anyway you slice it, it's a funny way to say "Find!"
> I wonder whether Google Maps, or Amazon Echo would respond to "grep
> store?" I'll have to test out of morbid curiosity.
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> Scott Granados writes:
>> No I get super user, I’ve heard root referred to as the super user for years 
>> I just didn’t think su was super user because it 
>> associates to all users not just root.
>> 
>> For example, typing su - Janina would switch to and use the environmental 
>> variables of the Janina account.  Simply doing su - with no user selects 
>> root probably telling you what you already know.  (The trailing - using the 
>> environmental variables of the target user instead of the originating user)
>> 
>> Here’s an article from wikipedia that seems to indicate we’re all right.  SU 
>> can mean switch user, substitute user or super user.  Interesting.  Read 
>> more here.
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
>> 
>> Makes me wonder what other command acronyms I have taken for granted.  Ping 
>> is my favorite so far, packet internet groper if memory serves.:)
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey, Scott:
>>> 
>>> The feeling is mutual.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> There's a bit more vocabulary associated with su. It's super user
>>> because this is the user with extraordinary powers that will trump all
>>> other permissions on the system.
>>> 
>>> Simple example: If you have multiple users and one forgets their
>>> password, the super user can reset that user's password.
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> Scott Granados writes:
 And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really does 
 not necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common use.  
 Learn something new everytime you post, how about that!
 
> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
> 
> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your 
>> password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
>> 
>> Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user 
>> on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to 
>> extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified 
>> when you use the sudo command. 
>> Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute 
>> user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions 
>> for a while. 
>> 
>> sudo is a bit more secure in that:
>> 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands 
>> can be executed by whom whith what rights.
>> 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are 
>> trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this 
>> work.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some 
>>> cases you may be asked for your log in password.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I 
 found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my last 
 log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know where 
 to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that 
 it said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to 
 put in code?
 
 Thanks,
 
 
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Re: How to use terminal?

[Scott Granados]

I started using the dash flag back in the Solaris / SunOS days and have stuck 
with it.  I will have to try your method.


> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:11 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, according to Wikipedia, it seems we're all correct:
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
> 
> 
> PS: To become another user I generally do:
> 
> su -u [user] -i
> 
> This insures I get the same environment that user gets on login-- the -i
> flag. Frankly, I don't know whether that works the same on BSD or not.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>> I just verified from the Free BSD man pages and su is described as
>> "substitute user identity".
>> 
>> So, if you are comfortable with terminal and share a machine with somebody,
>> then the command:
>> sudo su somebody -
>> 
>> will give you permission to see all that person's files. Of course any
>> encrypted files like the keychain or one password crypt will still not be
>> available to you. But all other files when accessed will look like they
>> were accessed by somebody.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 29 June 2017 at 11:37, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>>> Let’s call it even, you just hipped me to the proper verbiage around su
>>> and I hipped you back with the command n new window shortcut.  Sounds like
>>> a fair trade.
>>> 
 On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:31 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
 
 Here we go -- I've been doing it the hard way! 
 
 Could I have noticed that? Probably. Did I? Not until you burned it into
 my sometimes slow noggin! 
 
 Janina
 
 Scott Granados writes:
> Or, if it’s easier, just do a command n for a new window and one will
>>> automatically open.
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:20 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> And, when you get the "has no Windows" message, just open one. Do VO+m,
>> and go to File then Open.
>> 
>> Scott Granados writes:
>>> Just for the less experienced on the list, terminal is just dropping
>>> you to a unix shell.  When you hear people talk about unix this is simply a
>>> flavor of it that the pretty pictures part of Mac OS runs over.  It’s an
>>> extremely powerful environment and also a well paying career path if you
>>> learn the Unix based operating systems.
>>> 
 On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:36 AM, Sharon Hooley 
>>> wrote:
 
 okay, I had success!  And now, for even more of a kick, does anyone
>>> know how to make it say just anything you want to print command?
 
 Fun stuff,
 
> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:51 PM, E.T. 
>>> wrote:
> 
> Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In
>>> some cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent
>>> earlier.  I found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found
>>> my last log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know
>>> where to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that
>>> it said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in
>>> code?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> 
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Podcasts on itunes

[Stacey Robinson]

Hi,
I am running El Capitan with the latest version of iTunes.
How do I search for podcasts?
I don’t see a podcasts button.
Thanks,
Peace,  
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Re: Pages book

[Harry Bell]

Ah, thank you!
Regards
Harry

> On 30 Jun 2017, at 14:27, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Harry,
> 
> If you look at Appendix 5, you’ll find how to get Home, End, etc on a laptop.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 30 Jun 2017, at 14:42, Harry Bell  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, Anne!
>> I've started reading your book and I have come across instructions to tap 
>> VO-Home and also reference to a Page Down or Page Up Key. On my MacBook 2009 
>> I have large print stickers and no number pad: how can I find these Home, 
>> Page Down, Page Up keys?
>> Thanks
>> Harry
>> 
>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 18:04, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Harry,
>>> 
>>> It explains how to get around Pages without getting stuck anywhere. There 
>>> are times when you have to turn cursor tracking off to avoid that problem, 
>>> or to avoid changing something you don’t want to change.
>>> I tested everything over and over again as we wrote the book and I have no 
>>> sight at all to get myself out of difficulties by looking at the screen.
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 29 Jun 2017, at 16:34, Harry Bell  wrote:
 
 Marvellous! I've ordered it now! Will it tell me how to get the voiceover 
 focus back into a Pages document in order to edit when I'm stuck because 
 focus has inexplicably got stuck going round the fonts and styles in the 
 panel to the right of the actual Pages document?
 Thanks
 Harry
 
> On 29 Jun 2017, at 15:12, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Harry,
> 
> Here’s the link to the web page where you can purchase the Pages book:
> 
> 
> I’m afraid it only covers Pages on the Mac.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 14:32, Harry Bell  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh, is there a Pages book??? I love the Mac Basics book and I really 
>> struggle with Pages and would love to get a book to help with Pages on 
>> Mac (and on iOS too!)
>> Harry
>> 
>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 13:12, Caitlyn Furness  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ann,
>>> 
>>> When I looked up the shortcut on apple’s pages site, it said to use fn 
>>> command return..  I was just confused at first because on my i mac, I 
>>> am using an extended keyboard.  I thought the fn key was only for the 
>>> little bluetooth keyboards and laptops..
>>> 
>>> Oh, well, live and learn!  thanks for answering, and I love your pages 
>>> book, still going through it..
>>> 
>>> Cait
>>> 
 On Jun 29, 2017, at 3:34 AM, Anne Robertson  
 wrote:
 
 The page break shortcut works just fine. What you have to remember is 
 that Enter is not Return but FN-Return on a laptop, or the Enter key 
 on the numpad of an extended keyboard.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 
> On 28 Jun 2017, at 19:24, Jonathan C. Cohn  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> You should be able to make any menu item a keyboard shortcut, if you 
> need to. This has  been discussed on the list before. Also, please 
> don't just reply to a message especially if you don't change the 
> subject.
> You need to modify application shortcuts in the keyboard panel of 
> System Preferences.
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Caitlyn Furness 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I am having trouble with pages.
>> 
>> There is supposed to be a keyboard shortcut, command enter, which 
>> makes a page break.  when I hit this, my mac makes a bonking noise, 
>> and I am unable to perform the keyboard shortcut.  If I go to the 
>> insert section on the menu bar, and choose insert page break, then 
>> it works.
>> 
>> Is there any fix for this??  I’d love to be able to use this 
>> keyboard shortcut versus going through the menu bar..
>> 
>> thanks!
>> Caitlyn
>> ps-I am thinking about getting Scrivener, any users of that 
>> particular app here?
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Re: Getting Internet Explorer Favorites in to Safari

[Jonathan Cohn]

Could Firefox or Chrome on your Macintosh import them?

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:58 PM, Brian Hansen  wrote:
> 
> So far, all of my Google searches have come up empty on an alternative way of 
> getting the favorites in to Safari.  It seems that unless they’re exported 
> out of IE, then there’s no way to get them into Safari.  I would have thought 
> that someone would have come up with some kind of third party app to handle 
> the conversion process.  Oh well.
> 
> Blessings,
> 
> Brian
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 5:14 PM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> There might be a better way, but all I can think of would require a friend 
>> with Windows willing to help.  Windows 7 retains this scheme and I think 
>> Windows 10 does as well but I didn’t use that for long so I am not 
>> completely certain.  If the favorites were copied to a subfolder under the 
>> favorites on another Windows instance, then I think Chrome or Firefox would 
>> be able to import them.  They could then be exported again to a bookmark 
>> file that Safari can import.  But before going to all that trouble I’d just 
>> do a search of the web and see what turns up.
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 1:25 PM, Brian Hansen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> A friend of mine has replaced his dead PC with a Mac mini.  He has a backup 
>>> folder containing all of his IE favorites that he would like to some how 
>>> import into Safari so they all don't have to be recreated by hand.  Since 
>>> they were not exported out of IE, they are in their individual files and 
>>> sub-folder structure straight out of Windows XP.  Is there a way to import 
>>> them in and/or copy them into Safari in their present state, or is he just 
>>> out of luck on this one?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Blessings,
>>> 
>>> Brian
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Re: How to use terminal?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Actually this is a good hint at how to do advanced commands in VI.

g/outahere/d 

will globally find every line with outta here in it and delete that line.

Perhaps we need a gred command to delete all files with a word in them :-) 
 Actually makes me remember when I was only able to see two or three lines on 
my Sun computer I switched from using vi to using ex. There were a couple 
things that were difficult to do in ex blike joining two lines, but usually I 
found I was less likely to lose the cursor in 30 lines of text, and could 
usually get things done just as efficiently. I wonder, if we could take that 
idea and pair it withBraille routing keys to make an efficient editor for 
braille users. 

I expect this would be easier to create on a android based notetaker than on a 
Macintosh.
Any thoughts?
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:16 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> My favorite obscure command is grep. I believe it means "get
> repetition." Checking with Wikipedia I find it's a bit more elaborate:
> "globally search a regular expression and print."
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep
> 
> 
> Anyway you slice it, it's a funny way to say "Find!"
> I wonder whether Google Maps, or Amazon Echo would respond to "grep
> store?" I'll have to test out of morbid curiosity.
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> Scott Granados writes:
>> No I get super user, I’ve heard root referred to as the super user for years 
>> I just didn’t think su was super user because it 
>> associates to all users not just root.
>> 
>> For example, typing su - Janina would switch to and use the environmental 
>> variables of the Janina account.  Simply doing su - with no user selects 
>> root probably telling you what you already know.  (The trailing - using the 
>> environmental variables of the target user instead of the originating user)
>> 
>> Here’s an article from wikipedia that seems to indicate we’re all right.  SU 
>> can mean switch user, substitute user or super user.  Interesting.  Read 
>> more here.
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
>> 
>> Makes me wonder what other command acronyms I have taken for granted.  Ping 
>> is my favorite so far, packet internet groper if memory serves.:)
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey, Scott:
>>> 
>>> The feeling is mutual.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> There's a bit more vocabulary associated with su. It's super user
>>> because this is the user with extraordinary powers that will trump all
>>> other permissions on the system.
>>> 
>>> Simple example: If you have multiple users and one forgets their
>>> password, the super user can reset that user's password.
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> Scott Granados writes:
 And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really does 
 not necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common use.  
 Learn something new everytime you post, how about that!
 
> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
> 
> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your 
>> password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
>> 
>> Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user 
>> on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to 
>> extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified 
>> when you use the sudo command. 
>> Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute 
>> user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions 
>> for a while. 
>> 
>> sudo is a bit more secure in that:
>> 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands 
>> can be executed by whom whith what rights.
>> 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are 
>> trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this 
>> work.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some 
>>> cases you may be asked for your log in password.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent 

Re: Getting Internet Explorer Favorites in to Safari

[John Panarese]

   As far as I know and as far as I've done it for myself and other people is 
to export the favorites from IE and import the file. I've been told by a friend 
who is an IT person that you can copy the favorites folder from the Windows 
side and then choose the import option from Safari and select all of the 
favorites from the folder to get them into Safari. I have never tried this 
approach, so I cannot say with any certainty if it truly works.


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> On Jun 30, 2017, at 12:00 AM, Brian Hansen  wrote:
> 
> The long way may be his only alternative.
> 
> Blessings,
> 
> Brian
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 7:41 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> The long way of doing it is just click on each individual one and add them 
>> to favorites in safari, otherwise, he would have to get a friend with a PC 
>> and export those favorites to a HTML file and then import them into safari.
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 6:14 PM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There might be a better way, but all I can think of would require a friend 
>>> with Windows willing to help.  Windows 7 retains this scheme and I think 
>>> Windows 10 does as well but I didn’t use that for long so I am not 
>>> completely certain.  If the favorites were copied to a subfolder under the 
>>> favorites on another Windows instance, then I think Chrome or Firefox would 
>>> be able to import them.  They could then be exported again to a bookmark 
>>> file that Safari can import.  But before going to all that trouble I’d just 
>>> do a search of the web and see what turns up.
>>> 
 On Jun 29, 2017, at 1:25 PM, Brian Hansen  
 wrote:
 
 A friend of mine has replaced his dead PC with a Mac mini.  He has a 
 backup folder containing all of his IE favorites that he would like to 
 some how import into Safari so they all don't have to be recreated by 
 hand.  Since they were not exported out of IE, they are in their 
 individual files and sub-folder structure straight out of Windows XP.  Is 
 there a way to import them in and/or copy them into Safari in their 
 present state, or is he just out of luck on this one?  Any help would be 
 greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
 
 Blessings,
 
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Re: How to use terminal?

[-dan d.]

Grep is a text search utility.  If one has a person's name for example in a
text file it can spot it, the result appears just above the command line.
So for example:

grep williams file

This would return any line with "williams in the file.

It is very powerful and can do much more then simple text searches.

For any command consult the man page.

man grep

will bring up a short manual for any command.  Hitting the q key will exit

Most commands also have an "-h" optionfor a short help.


On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:


My favorite obscure command is grep. I believe it means "get
repetition." Checking with Wikipedia I find it's a bit more elaborate:
"globally search a regular expression and print."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep


Anyway you slice it, it's a funny way to say "Find!"
I wonder whether Google Maps, or Amazon Echo would respond to "grep
store?" I'll have to test out of morbid curiosity.

Janina


Scott Granados writes:

No I get super user, I?ve heard root referred to as the super user for years I 
just didn?t think su was super user because it
associates to all users not just root.

For example, typing su - Janina would switch to and use the environmental 
variables of the Janina account.  Simply doing su - with no user selects root 
probably telling you what you already know.  (The trailing - using the 
environmental variables of the target user instead of the originating user)

Here?s an article from wikipedia that seems to indicate we?re all right.  SU 
can mean switch user, substitute user or super user.  Interesting.  Read more 
here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)

Makes me wonder what other command acronyms I have taken for granted.  Ping is 
my favorite so far, packet internet groper if memory serves.:)


On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hey, Scott:

The feeling is mutual.


There's a bit more vocabulary associated with su. It's super user
because this is the user with extraordinary powers that will trump all
other permissions on the system.

Simple example: If you have multiple users and one forgets their
password, the super user can reset that user's password.

Janina

Scott Granados writes:

And here I always thought it was switch user as that?s what it really does not 
necessarily switching to root although that?s the most common use.  Learn 
something new everytime you post, how about that!


On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."

Jonathan Cohn writes:

Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your password. These are 
commands that are using the "sudo" command.

Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user on a 
UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to extra 
security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified when you use 
the sudo command.
Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute user. This 
allows one to access the computer with another permissions for a while.

sudo is a bit more secure in that:
1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands can be 
executed by whom whith what rights.
2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are trying to 
execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this work.

Take care,
Jonathan Cohn




On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:

Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some cases 
you may be asked for your log in password.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:

Hi,

I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I found 
Terminal in the ?others? folder.  when I entered I found my last log-in date, 
among other things, including shell .  I don?t know where to type or paste.  .  
Then I inadvertently closed the window so that it said, ?Terminal has no 
windows?.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in code?

Thanks,




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Skype for business

[Jonathan Cohn]

Ah, thanks for this Scott, my Windows environment has Skype for Business but my 
Macintosh environment is still running with  Lync and I get errors on the 
Macintosh side overtime time I try to change the list of contacts. It appears I 
need to get IT to upgrade my Lync. Though they are still dragging their feet on 
upgrades to Sierra. 


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:14 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> The Skype for business, at least on the Mac is accessible.  I think it’s 
> gotomeeting that uses Skype for business as a valid data source.  I know I 
> had a meeting invite the other day, clicked on the link and the Skype for 
> business application started itself and connected me to the meeting.  The 
> controls on the Skype for business AKA MS Link are also pretty accessible.  
> Not sure if that helps at all but that might be a good solution to the video 
> problem if Skype for business / link is supported.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:56 PM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> I do have a dial-in number, so that will have to do, I suppose.  It's 
>> unfortunate, b/c they wanted a video call.  I also have a test link.  I've 
>> spent some time trying to access it from MY PC, but no joy.  So no need for 
>> you to spend your time tomorrow trying to connect, but thank you very much 
>> for the offer.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 8:34 PM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> 
>>> While the web page is not very accessible, Go To Meeting always has the 
>>> option for doing call in to the meeting. I believe I have to Go To Meetings 
>>> tomorrow, so I could try to connect via Mac and/or Windows if you like for 
>>> the second meeting. I believe most screen sharing services for web meetings 
>>> are inaccessible for the blind. Microsoft Lync now re-branded as Skype for 
>>> Business could work with PowerPoint and JAWS though I think I had to jigger 
>>> things a bit to have the slides automatically read. 
>>> 
>>> The only alternative I can see is requesting any presentation materials in 
>>> advance.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 28, 2017, at 7:02 PM, Donna Goodin > wrote:
 
 thanks, David.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 6:00 PM, David Chittenden  > wrote:
> 
> No, Go To Meeting is not accessible.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 29/06/2017, at 04:57, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Can anyone tell me if Go to Meeting is accessible either on the Mac or 
>> on Windows?  I'm trying to connect to a test session on my Mac and not 
>> having any luck.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Pages book

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Harry,

If you look at Appendix 5, you’ll find how to get Home, End, etc on a laptop.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 30 Jun 2017, at 14:42, Harry Bell  wrote:
> 
> Hello, Anne!
> I've started reading your book and I have come across instructions to tap 
> VO-Home and also reference to a Page Down or Page Up Key. On my MacBook 2009 
> I have large print stickers and no number pad: how can I find these Home, 
> Page Down, Page Up keys?
> Thanks
> Harry
> 
> On 29 Jun 2017, at 18:04, Anne Robertson  > wrote:
> 
>> Hello Harry,
>> 
>> It explains how to get around Pages without getting stuck anywhere. There 
>> are times when you have to turn cursor tracking off to avoid that problem, 
>> or to avoid changing something you don’t want to change.
>> I tested everything over and over again as we wrote the book and I have no 
>> sight at all to get myself out of difficulties by looking at the screen.
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 16:34, Harry Bell >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Marvellous! I've ordered it now! Will it tell me how to get the voiceover 
>>> focus back into a Pages document in order to edit when I'm stuck because 
>>> focus has inexplicably got stuck going round the fonts and styles in the 
>>> panel to the right of the actual Pages document?
>>> Thanks
>>> Harry
>>> 
>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 15:12, Anne Robertson >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Harry,
 
 Here’s the link to the web page where you can purchase the Pages book:
 >
 
 I’m afraid it only covers Pages on the Mac.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 
> On 29 Jun 2017, at 14:32, Harry Bell  > wrote:
> 
> Oh, is there a Pages book??? I love the Mac Basics book and I really 
> struggle with Pages and would love to get a book to help with Pages on 
> Mac (and on iOS too!)
> Harry
> 
>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 13:12, Caitlyn Furness > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ann,
>> 
>> When I looked up the shortcut on apple’s pages site, it said to use fn 
>> command return..  I was just confused at first because on my i mac, I am 
>> using an extended keyboard.  I thought the fn key was only for the 
>> little bluetooth keyboards and laptops..
>> 
>> Oh, well, live and learn!  thanks for answering, and I love your pages 
>> book, still going through it..
>> 
>> Cait
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 3:34 AM, Anne Robertson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The page break shortcut works just fine. What you have to remember is 
>>> that Enter is not Return but FN-Return on a laptop, or the Enter key on 
>>> the numpad of an extended keyboard.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 28 Jun 2017, at 19:24, Jonathan C. Cohn > wrote:
 
 
 
 You should be able to make any menu item a keyboard shortcut, if you 
 need to. This has  been discussed on the list before. Also, please 
 don't just reply to a message especially if you don't change the 
 subject.
 You need to modify application shortcuts in the keyboard panel of 
 System Preferences.
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Caitlyn Furness 
> > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I am having trouble with pages.
> 
> There is supposed to be a keyboard shortcut, command enter, which 
> makes a page break.  when I hit this, my mac makes a bonking noise, 
> and I am unable to perform the keyboard shortcut.  If I go to the 
> insert section on the menu bar, and choose insert page break, then it 
> works.
> 
> Is there any fix for this??  I’d love to be able to use this keyboard 
> shortcut versus going through the menu bar..
> 
> thanks!
> Caitlyn
> ps-I am thinking about getting Scrivener, any users of that 
> particular app here?
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Re: How to use terminal?

[-dan d.]

It can be greatly improved by a few changes.  In vo utility make all 
cursors follow each other.  Interact with text at all times, this allows 
thee vo line and paragraph and speech from cursor etc. to work on the 
screen content.


One can then also move freely on the screen with the vo arrow keys and the
vo home and end keys to tthe top and bottom of the screen.  Vo right and
left arrow keys read a word at a time.  Likewise vo up and down arrows move
between lines.

So for example, vo home goes to the top and vo a reads the entire screen.

I have also done some apple scripts to force the reading of the terminal 
screen as wished in a particular situation.  So for example I have an apple 
script attached to a key commander that combines the moving to the top of 
the screen and start reading the entire screen with one command instead of 
two.


There are some other bits of how I force vo to act as I wish using shell
scripts and a couple of utilities.


On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Anders Holmberg wrote:


Hi!
I don?t like the speech in Mac in terminal mode.
BUt i can ssh to my mac from another unix machine and use braille.
Brltty is quite hard to compile in my opinion.
At least for mac.
/A

29 juni 2017 kl. 15:52 skrev -dan d. :


I use terminal almost exclusively.  The gui destop runs terminal based
programs under the hood.  For example finder runs mdfind to perform its
functions.  One can just use mdfind in terminal or one of the other file
search programs of unix/linux. present in the terminal.

The terminal allows one extensive and detailed control over activity that
is determined by whoever develops the same kind of thing in the gui
desktop.  One does it their way or not at all.

If I use a gui desktop program I open it from the terminal and then exit it
whe done back to terminal.

There are a very few programs like vlc I use in the gui desktop
environment.

I use a terminal command to start vlc for example which ends in the desired
local media file name or the url of one on the net.  It then loads that source 
and plays it.

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017, E.T. wrote:


  I do as little as possible in Terminal, One instance where I used my
password was when creating an installer.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/28/2017 7:21 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your
password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.

Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user
on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to
extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified
when you use the sudo command.
Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute
user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions
for a while.

sudo is a bit more secure in that:
1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands
can be executed by whom whith what rights.
2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are
trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this
work.

Take care,
Jonathan Cohn




On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T. > wrote:

 Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In
some cases you may be asked for your log in password.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 

On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:

Hi,

I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.
I found Terminal in the ?others? folder.  when I entered I found my
last log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don?t know
where to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so
that it said, ?Terminal has no windows?.  So how, exactly, do I use
it to put in code?

Thanks,




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Re: Pages book

[Harry Bell]

Hello, Anne!
I've started reading your book and I have come across instructions to tap 
VO-Home and also reference to a Page Down or Page Up Key. On my MacBook 2009 I 
have large print stickers and no number pad: how can I find these Home, Page 
Down, Page Up keys?
Thanks
Harry

> On 29 Jun 2017, at 18:04, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Harry,
> 
> It explains how to get around Pages without getting stuck anywhere. There are 
> times when you have to turn cursor tracking off to avoid that problem, or to 
> avoid changing something you don’t want to change.
> I tested everything over and over again as we wrote the book and I have no 
> sight at all to get myself out of difficulties by looking at the screen.
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 16:34, Harry Bell  wrote:
>> 
>> Marvellous! I've ordered it now! Will it tell me how to get the voiceover 
>> focus back into a Pages document in order to edit when I'm stuck because 
>> focus has inexplicably got stuck going round the fonts and styles in the 
>> panel to the right of the actual Pages document?
>> Thanks
>> Harry
>> 
>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 15:12, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Harry,
>>> 
>>> Here’s the link to the web page where you can purchase the Pages book:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I’m afraid it only covers Pages on the Mac.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 29 Jun 2017, at 14:32, Harry Bell  wrote:
 
 Oh, is there a Pages book??? I love the Mac Basics book and I really 
 struggle with Pages and would love to get a book to help with Pages on Mac 
 (and on iOS too!)
 Harry
 
> On 29 Jun 2017, at 13:12, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ann,
> 
> When I looked up the shortcut on apple’s pages site, it said to use fn 
> command return..  I was just confused at first because on my i mac, I am 
> using an extended keyboard.  I thought the fn key was only for the little 
> bluetooth keyboards and laptops..
> 
> Oh, well, live and learn!  thanks for answering, and I love your pages 
> book, still going through it..
> 
> Cait
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 3:34 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>> The page break shortcut works just fine. What you have to remember is 
>> that Enter is not Return but FN-Return on a laptop, or the Enter key on 
>> the numpad of an extended keyboard.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 28 Jun 2017, at 19:24, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> You should be able to make any menu item a keyboard shortcut, if you 
>>> need to. This has  been discussed on the list before. Also, please 
>>> don't just reply to a message especially if you don't change the 
>>> subject.
>>> You need to modify application shortcuts in the keyboard panel of 
>>> System Preferences.
 On Jun 28, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Caitlyn Furness 
  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 I am having trouble with pages.
 
 There is supposed to be a keyboard shortcut, command enter, which 
 makes a page break.  when I hit this, my mac makes a bonking noise, 
 and I am unable to perform the keyboard shortcut.  If I go to the 
 insert section on the menu bar, and choose insert page break, then it 
 works.
 
 Is there any fix for this??  I’d love to be able to use this keyboard 
 shortcut versus going through the menu bar..
 
 thanks!
 Caitlyn
 ps-I am thinking about getting Scrivener, any users of that particular 
 app here?
 
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Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

In what context d & o? Are we talking about a directory listing, e.g.
ls -l


Simon Fogarty writes:
> Super user is a linux / unix boss like user, I never really understood what 
> the D & O are for!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Friday, 30 June 2017 3:23 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How to use terminal?
> 
> And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really does 
> not necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common use.  Learn 
> something new everytime you post, how about that!
> 
> > On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
> > 
> > Jonathan Cohn writes:
> >> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your 
> >> password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
> >> 
> >> Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user 
> >> on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to 
> >> extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified 
> >> when you use the sudo command. 
> >> Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute user. 
> >> This allows one to access the computer with another permissions for a 
> >> while. 
> >> 
> >> sudo is a bit more secure in that:
> >> 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands 
> >> can be executed by whom whith what rights.
> >> 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are trying 
> >> to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this work.
> >> 
> >> Take care,
> >> Jonathan Cohn
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>  Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some 
> >>> cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> >>> 
> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> >>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
> >>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
> >>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> >>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> >>> 
> >>> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
>  Hi,
>  
>  I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I 
>  found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my last 
>  log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know where 
>  to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that it 
>  said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in 
>  code?
>  
>  Thanks,
>  
>  
> >>> 
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Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

My advice is to be careful. Yes, there's lots of power available in the
command line tools and, yes, Apple engineers use them.

The careful part is that VO is a pretty clunky screen reader for the
terminal, so you're not really gaining the accessibility edge that you
might reasonably expect from the command line.

But, even if you have a solid Linux system with Speakup or Brltty that
you can use to ssh into your Mac, you still need to be careful. Many
Unix commands are very standard and operate in pretty standard ways
across all flavors of Unix variants, but this is not true for devices.
How devices are addressed and managed will vary widely.

I guess what I'm suggesting is that, if you really know OS X device
management, and you have a strong console/terminal screen reader to work
with over ssh, then you'll find solid value in the terminal.

My personal experience does not yet go to disk formatting on the Mac. I
have, however, done some of the simple things like installing
applications that essentially require you to move a folder to
/Applications. I have also tweaked my VMware machine's dhcp settings to
assign static ip addresses over dhcp by editing the relevant VMware
files.


hth

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Yeah I don't know about anyone else but I'm starting to think I need to use 
> terminal to carry out multiple partitioning on devices like Flash Drives and 
> external drives,
> 
> So I'm thinking the terminal command line version of disk utilities 
> Might be the best option to do what I need to do.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Friday, 30 June 2017 3:19 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How to use terminal?
> 
> And, I, on the other hand, do as much as I possibly can in a terminal on 
> whatever OS I find myself on.
> 
> So, there you go. Different strokes for different folks ... or whatever 
> aphorism you might prefer at this spot. Isn't diversity wonderful?
> 
> Janina
> 
> E.T. writes:
> >I do as little as possible in Terminal, One instance where I used 
> > my password was when creating an installer.
> > 
> > From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> >   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> >   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> >   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> >   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> > E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > 
> > On 6/28/2017 7:21 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
> > > Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your 
> > > password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
> > > 
> > > Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged 
> > > user on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in 
> > > Sierra due to extra security added, any file in user space can be 
> > > viewed or modified when you use the sudo command.
> > > Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute 
> > > user. This allows one to access the computer with another 
> > > permissions for a while.
> > > 
> > > sudo is a bit more secure in that:
> > > 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what 
> > > commands can be executed by whom whith what rights.
> > > 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are 
> > > trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do 
> > > this work.
> > > 
> > > Take care,
> > > Jonathan Cohn
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T.  > > > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >   Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. 
> > > > In some cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> > > > 
> > > > From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> > > >  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the 
> > > > world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn 
> > > > your mind off  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> > > > E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > 
> > > > > I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.
> > > > >  I found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I 
> > > > > found my last log-in date, among other things, including shell .  
> > > > > I don’t know where to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently 
> > > > > closed the window so that it said, “Terminal has no windows”.  
> > > > > So how, exactly, do I use it to put in code?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > 
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Warning: Don't update the Hive App

[Adrienne Chalmers]

Hi

Anyone using the British Gas Hive heating controller don’t update the app with 
the update released yesterday. Accessibility has been totally compromised for 
the second time this year.

I have reported it and would encourage others to do so. Last time they took 
three weeks to fix it.

Best

Adrienne

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Re: IMovie with voiceover

[Daniela Rubio]

Hello!

Yes, yes, you can do that as well. If you establish In and out to mark the part 
you want to trim, you just cut it with CMD+x and it is gone. The program also 
has the possibility to export to different video and audio formats and keeps of 
course the original files.

If you want help in using it just let me know, but the menus and shortcuts are 
easy to understand by them selves.

I am glad that you liked the program. I use it a lot and love it.

Have a great weekend!


> El 30 jun 2017, a las 7:56, Likidefs  escribió:
> 
> Hello,
> QuickTime is OK, but trims the end or the beginning of the video. I'm looking 
> of something that can trim also in the middle easily.
> Daniela i've downloaded MPG Stream clip and it seems easier than QuickTime. 
> Now I am looking if it has the feature I have previously said. Both programs 
> they can do is actually throw the entire video out and keep the trimmed clip. 
> What I want to do is to throw the trimmed clips out and keep The  rest video.
> A very nice and easy software that could do all these things I'm asking for 
> is sound Forge, but I don't know if it is running on Mac and if it still 
> accessible. I was using it in the windows years back.
> 
> 
> 25 Ιουν 2017, 2:16 πμ, ο/η Kliphton Miller  έγραψε:
> 
>> Quick time is great too.
>>> On Jun 24, 2017, at 4:47 PM, Likidefs  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If anyone knows another video editing software that is accessible besides 
>>> iMovie, please let me know. I'll try to figure out how it works or try to 
>>> find another software it's more accessible. I'll let you know if you wish. 
>>> Thank you very much for your time.
>>> Steve
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 23 Ιουν 2017, 8:16 πμ, ο/η David & his pack of dogs 
>>>  έγραψε:
>>> 
 I think the stance is, how can they edit something they can not see?  
 Faulty but, sadly, true.  
 
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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Thacker Jr.
 Sent: June 22, 2017 6:56 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: IMovie with voiceover
 
 I asked the same question a while back, and the answer was not 
 encouraging.  I am sorry I don’t remember the details anymore, but I was 
 able to do some simple editing by using menu commands.  From within the 
 clip you can use menu commands to split a single clip and then a trim from 
 beginning (I think that’s what it was) to cut away the piece you don’t 
 want.  It is very tedious, so I too will be interested if someone knows a 
 better way.  Unfortunately it has not occurred even to the usually  
 accommodating folks at apple that blind people do have need to edit video.
 
> On Jun 22, 2017, at 4:34 PM, Likidefs  wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> I'd like some help with iMovie. I have searched around the net, but they 
> found nothing. 
> I want to process some videos. Trim them, join them together, put some 
> narration on them etc. Does anyone have any idea how to do that or where 
> can I find a tutorial?
> Thanks
> Steve  
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RE: How to use terminal?

[Simon Fogarty]

Super user is a linux / unix boss like user, I never really understood what the 
D & O are for!

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And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really does not 
necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common use.  Learn 
something new everytime you post, how about that!

> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
> 
> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your password. 
>> These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
>> 
>> Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user on 
>> a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to extra 
>> security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified when you 
>> use the sudo command. 
>> Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute user. 
>> This allows one to access the computer with another permissions for a while. 
>> 
>> sudo is a bit more secure in that:
>> 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands can 
>> be executed by whom whith what rights.
>> 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are trying 
>> to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this work.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some 
>>> cases you may be asked for your log in password.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
>>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
>>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I 
 found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my last 
 log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know where to 
 type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that it said, 
 “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in code?
 
 Thanks,
 
 
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RE: How to use terminal?

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah I don't know about anyone else but I'm starting to think I need to use 
terminal to carry out multiple partitioning on devices like Flash Drives and 
external drives,

So I'm thinking the terminal command line version of disk utilities 
Might be the best option to do what I need to do.

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And, I, on the other hand, do as much as I possibly can in a terminal on 
whatever OS I find myself on.

So, there you go. Different strokes for different folks ... or whatever 
aphorism you might prefer at this spot. Isn't diversity wonderful?

Janina

E.T. writes:
>I do as little as possible in Terminal, One instance where I used 
> my password was when creating an installer.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/28/2017 7:21 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
> > Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your 
> > password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
> > 
> > Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged 
> > user on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in 
> > Sierra due to extra security added, any file in user space can be 
> > viewed or modified when you use the sudo command.
> > Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute 
> > user. This allows one to access the computer with another 
> > permissions for a while.
> > 
> > sudo is a bit more secure in that:
> > 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what 
> > commands can be executed by whom whith what rights.
> > 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are 
> > trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do 
> > this work.
> > 
> > Take care,
> > Jonathan Cohn
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T.  > > > wrote:
> > > 
> > >   Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. 
> > > In some cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> > > 
> > > From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> > >  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the 
> > > world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn 
> > > your mind off  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> > > E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.
> > > >  I found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I 
> > > > found my last log-in date, among other things, including shell .  
> > > > I don’t know where to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently 
> > > > closed the window so that it said, “Terminal has no windows”.  
> > > > So how, exactly, do I use it to put in code?
> > > > 
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> > > > 
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Re: Full Article: iOS 11 public beta: What it does for the iPhone - CNET

[Michael Marshall]

i love that when you dicktate on IOS 11 the keybord goes away so you don't 
knock letters.
there is a key button on the right that you tap to go through all of them.
love the new missspelled words option in the VO roter witch is also on the mac 
beta.

> On 30 Jun 2017, at 1:42 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Think of what the terrorists would do if they could use military grade GPS,
> Would open a new door of problems for everyone.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2017 11:26 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Full Article: iOS 11 public beta: What it does for the iPhone - 
> CNET
> 
> You got that right about the military signals. Not going to happen.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I had the exact same thought.  I wonder if they use the gyro or something to 
>> help.  Plus you have the regular deviation in the GPS signal depending on 
>> signal conditions.
>>   I wish we could get access to the military encrypted signals, sub meter 
>> way finding would be nice.
>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 7:11 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I remember that portable receiver as well. I will be curious if you try it. 
>>> The problem I see with this approach is that the actual GPS Mark, so to  
>>> speak, is often some ways away from the actual building you're trying to go 
>>> to. It might be in a parking lot for instance. Or so I have heard from the 
>>> makers of nearby explorer and Seeing Eye GPS. The folks who decide where 
>>> exactly on the map or whatever it is that GPS is keying on our more 
>>> interested in cars getting to where they're going and pedestrians
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 28, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Good ol Smith-Kettlewell, I remember building some of their projects when 
 I was in school.  I will definitely check out this app.
 The physical talking signs unit was very simple but effective.  You 
 pointed a small IR receiver that converted the IR signal to speech and the 
 clearer the sound the more closely aligned to the correct direction you 
 were.  They put transmitters over the tracks at the train station with the 
 track number for example or over the Subway sub shop sign directly over 
 the door.
 
 
> On Jun 27, 2017, at 5:30 PM, David Chittenden  
> wrote:
> 
> Smith-Kettlewell, the developers of Talking Signs, put out an app called 
> Over There, which works on the iPhone like the Talking Signs receiver. It 
> uses GPS and the Google Places database.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 27/06/2017, at 23:55, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, in door navigation, that’s a very cool feature if in fact it’s 
>> included.  How will this work off bluetooth beacons or something 
>> different?  I used to like the talking signs system that was deployed in 
>> several public transit and similar areas in San Francisco.  Used very 
>> simple analog Infrared signals but was fairly effective.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 26, 2017, at 10:36 PM, Jonathan Cohn  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This was one sighted person describing what they found in the new beta. 
>>> Just because accessibility wasn't mentioned doesn't mean that nothing 
>>> was added to accessibility.
>>> 
>>> I did catch something on the keynote that I have heard nobody talk 
>>> about.
>>> 
>>> Specifically indoor navigation with support for several malls and 
>>> airports. I highly expect Tysons Cornerr, a mall that is only two miles 
>>> from my house , to be a good candidate. Not only is the mall packed 
>>> every weekend and most evenings, it was also the site of the first 
>>> Apple Retail store. So I am hoping that the indoor navigation helps me 
>>> verify if I have passed Nordstroms or still have  200 feet to go.
>>> 
>>> Best Wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan
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RE: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Simon Fogarty]

Morning macsters,

 Can someone tell me how the heck to delete an app from my iPhone runnin the 
IOS 11 beta?

I've tried the double  tap and the go into edit mode but I have not been able 
to find the delete option 
or even get it to work with the current delete app function.

Anyone know how you are now ment to delete  things?

Cheers 

Simon Fthen 


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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

I haven’t tried downloading apps but updating seems to work.

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
> 
> This is broken… just saw this thread.
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 16:21, Portia Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like 
>> downloading apps is broken.
>> 
>> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>>> Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so 
>>> might be a good reason to try it.
 On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott  wrote:
 
 When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but 
 not installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when 
 going to install them?
 
 Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps 
 that you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
 
 On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the 
> 1-finger flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of 
> “Arrange Apps”
> it
> will say “Edit Mode”.
> 
> If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and 
> Drop where it used to say Move App.
> 
> Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second.
> Treat
> this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder 
> you want or location, flick down and you will see an action to 
> drop the item into that folder.
> 
> Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder 
> I believe you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger 
> flick. give it some time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app 
> moving.
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg 
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> How do one drag and drop?
>> And where did you find about that feature?
>> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will do.
>> /A
>>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley
>>> :
>>> 
>>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but 
>>> operate differently.
>>> 
>>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes 
>>> me to a sign in screen and asks for my device password then 
>>> kicks me back to the home screen. This is frustrating as I use 
>>> that gesture all the time.
>>> Yes,
>>> reporting this.
>>> 
>>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving 
>>> them from most recent on the right to most recent on the left. 
>>> The Home designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how 
>>> to get Hand off to work, say to switch back after an accidental 
>>> hand off occurs.
>>> 
>>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or 
>>> sluggish depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
>>> 
>>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able 
>>> to go into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice 
>>> Dream Reader though so just a different way of doing things.
>>> 
>>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I 
>>> didn’t realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to 
>>> drag and drop but once I figured it out, I do like it.
>>> 
>>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no 
>>> issues updating or searching for apps.
>>> 
>>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from 
>>> the iOS beta, things seem to be working OK though.
 On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert 
 
 wrote:
 
 here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch 
 screen on my 6S behaving any differently.
 1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There 
 is an actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between 
 messages.
 2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps 
 around erradically.
 3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display 
 the hour.
 E.G. 8 PM, 

RE: Go to meeting?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Scott,

Yeah Skype for business is now a Microsoft product formaly known as Link 2013,
It ties in to the Outlook calendar and normally relies on having a skype for 
business server to connect to for your mmeetings / phone system to work through.

I’ve been thinking of setting up my own skype for business server to work with.

It’s another of the office 365 services.

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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Friday, 30 June 2017 1:14 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Go to meeting?

The Skype for business, at least on the Mac is accessible.  I think it’s 
gotomeeting that uses Skype for business as a valid data source.  I know I had 
a meeting invite the other day, clicked on the link and the Skype for business 
application started itself and connected me to the meeting.  The controls on 
the Skype for business AKA MS Link are also pretty accessible.  Not sure if 
that helps at all but that might be a good solution to the video problem if 
Skype for business / link is supported.


On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:56 PM, Donna Goodin 
> wrote:

Hi John,

I do have a dial-in number, so that will have to do, I suppose.  It's 
unfortunate, b/c they wanted a video call.  I also have a test link.  I've 
spent some time trying to access it from MY PC, but no joy.  So no need for you 
to spend your time tomorrow trying to connect, but thank you very much for the 
offer.
Best,
Donna

On Jun 28, 2017, at 8:34 PM, Jonathan Cohn 
> wrote:

Donna,

While the web page is not very accessible, Go To Meeting always has the option 
for doing call in to the meeting. I believe I have to Go To Meetings tomorrow, 
so I could try to connect via Mac and/or Windows if you like for the second 
meeting. I believe most screen sharing services for web meetings are 
inaccessible for the blind. Microsoft Lync now re-branded as Skype for Business 
could work with PowerPoint and JAWS though I think I had to jigger things a bit 
to have the slides automatically read.

The only alternative I can see is requesting any presentation materials in 
advance.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On Jun 28, 2017, at 7:02 PM, Donna Goodin 
> wrote:

thanks, David.
Cheers,
Donna

On Jun 28, 2017, at 6:00 PM, David Chittenden 
> wrote:

No, Go To Meeting is not accessible.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone


On 29/06/2017, at 04:57, Donna Goodin 
> wrote:

Hi all,

Can anyone tell me if Go to Meeting is accessible either on the Mac or on 
Windows?  I'm trying to connect to a test session on my Mac and not having any 
luck.
TIA,
Donna

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RE: file volt weirdness

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi David,

Thanks for this,

It would make sense as my mba is mid 2013 and the mini is 2010


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On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2017 1:47 PM
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Subject: Re: file volt weirdness

Hello,

It is a hardware difference. Macs older than 2012 or 2013 can only beep during 
log-in when using firevault.

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On 29/06/2017, at 02:19, Tim Kilburn > 
wrote:
Hi,

I believe that you are correct, in that it is a hardware difference.  I have an 
MBP Late 2011 and I only enabled File Vault a couple of months ago.  So, you'd 
expect it to be the newest version of File Vault.  My machine only does the 
single beep when I attempt to turn VO on, double beep after the username has 
been entered and a triple beep after everything's done correctly and it's ready 
to go.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 28, 2017, at 04:29, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Hi Listers,

A few weeks ago we had a discussion on file volt not speaking at the log in 
prompt or vise versa

I’ve just put sierra on to a mac mini I’ve obtained from work,

I thought I’d secure things more with file volt and low and behold it only 
beeps when trying to log in, or at least it did before I locked myself out.

Now what I find weird about this is that on my mac book air I have sierra 
installed and file volt enabled yet vo will speak if I command f5 at the prompt 
I log in and am away and racing.

My mac book air is a mid 2013 july MBA and the mac mini is a late 2010 device,

I’m just wondering if this difference in file volt behaviour is due to hardware 
differences

But I thought it was interesting that one machine works one way and the other 
machine another way.

Cheers,


Simon F


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