Re: more Voice Over controls?

[Kevin Chao]

Yes, there is a pitch slider in verbosity settings.

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 6:04 PM Ray Foret jr  wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> From what I hear, it is now going to be possible to adjust the pitch of
> the Voice Over voice in IOS11.  Is this true for all voices including the
> so-called “Male Siri” US voice actually known as “Aaron”?
>
> Also, what else wil we be able to control:  The voice intonation perhaps?
>
>
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind
> built-in
>
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
> Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Kevin Chao]

Deleting app(s) with VoiceOver in iOS 11 Beta unfortunately isn’t possible.

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 11:48 PM Simon Fogarty  wrote:

> Morning macsters,
>
>  Can someone tell me how the heck to delete an app from my iPhone runnin
> the IOS 11 beta?
>
> I've tried the double  tap and the go into edit mode but I have not been
> able to find the delete option
> or even get it to work with the current delete app function.
>
> Anyone know how you are now ment to delete  things?
>
> Cheers
>
> Simon Fthen
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Friday, 30 June 2017 1:16 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
>
> I haven’t tried downloading apps but updating seems to work.
>
> > On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
> >
> > This is broken… just saw this thread.
> >
> >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 16:21, Portia Scott  wrote:
> >>
> >> Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like
> >> downloading apps is broken.
> >>
> >> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> >>> Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so
> >>> might be a good reason to try it.
>  On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott 
> wrote:
> 
>  When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but
>  not installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when
>  going to install them?
> 
>  Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps
>  that you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
> 
>  On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> > I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the
> > 1-finger flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of
> “Arrange Apps”
> > it
> > will say “Edit Mode”.
> >
> > If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and
> > Drop where it used to say Move App.
> >
> > Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second.
> > Treat
> > this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder
> > you want or location, flick down and you will see an action to
> > drop the item into that folder.
> >
> > Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder
> > I believe you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger
> > flick. give it some time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app
> > moving.
> >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg
> >> 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi!
> >> How do one drag and drop?
> >> And where did you find about that feature?
> >> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will
> do.
> >> /A
> >>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley
> >>> :
> >>>
> >>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but
> >>> operate differently.
> >>>
> >>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes
> >>> me to a sign in screen and asks for my device password then
> >>> kicks me back to the home screen. This is frustrating as I use
> >>> that gesture all the time.
> >>> Yes,
> >>> reporting this.
> >>>
> >>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving
> >>> them from most recent on the right to most recent on the left.
> >>> The Home designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how
> >>> to get Hand off to work, say to switch back after an accidental
> >>> hand off occurs.
> >>>
> >>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or
> >>> sluggish depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
> >>>
> >>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able
> >>> to go into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice
> >>> Dream Reader though so just a different way of doing things.
> >>>
> >>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I
> >>> didn’t realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to
> >>> drag and drop but once I figured it out, I do like it.
> >>>
> >>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no
> >>> issues updating or searching for apps.
> >>>
> >>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from
> >>> the iOS beta, things seem to be working OK though.
>  On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert
>  
>  wrote:
> 
>  here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch
>  screen on my 6S behaving any differently.
>  1. The messages rotor option has disappeared 

Re: Full Article: iOS 11 public beta: What it does for the iPhone - CNET

[Kevin Chao]

* Indoor navigation of malls and airports seems interesting, but I’ve not seen 
a way to determine in the iOS 11 Maps app which venues have the required 
infrastructure, and how detail it is. If anyone has tips on how to get this 
working wiht VoiceOver, please do share how.
* scan document in Notes unfortunately does not do OCR, but instead creates 
inaccessible image documents. I was hoping that with this and the markup docs 
feature would be accessible wiht VoiceOver, so we could interact with more 
docs/forms.
* The Misspelled Words rotor item seems interesting, but I’ve not successfully 
got it to work. Hope it reduces the amount of spelling issues that VoiceOver 
users have.
* OverThere iOS app, which is the modern Talking Signs is great for orientation 
and “LookAround”.

> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 3:46 PM Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Yeah it's not like they could miss the towers off in the distance.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Saturday, 1 July 2017 4:19 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Full Article: iOS 11 public beta: What it does for the iPhone - 
> CNET
> 
> Simon, the terrorists don’t need or care about GPS.  When you’re a terrorist 
> you’re not going for the super high tech high end solution.  You’re going for 
> the biggest bang for the smallest buck.  They didn’t need GPS for 9-11, just 
> about 20 bucks worth of box cutters.  This relates back to something my 
> father who was a Marine told me.  During the Vietnam era we had started to 
> use very high tech weapons like  advanced infrared night vision, smart bombs 
> and such.  The Vietnamese resistance would fool our night vision systems by 
> leaving metal out during the day so it got super heated in the sun.  Then, at 
> night they would scatter large chunks of super hot metal around which would 
> confuse our night vision and make the pilots think they were looking at camp 
> fires not decoys.  We’d bomb the hell out of an empty patch of jungle while 
> the enemy operated free and clear while we were distracted.  Same deal here 
> it’s all about the low tech solution to a high tech adversary.
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:42 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> >
> > Think of what the terrorists would do if they could use military grade
> > GPS, Would open a new door of problems for everyone.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> > Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2017 11:26 AM
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Full Article: iOS 11 public beta: What it does for the
> > iPhone - CNET
> >
> > You got that right about the military signals. Not going to happen.
> > Mary
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Scott Granados  
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> I had the exact same thought.  I wonder if they use the gyro or something 
> >> to help.  Plus you have the regular deviation in the GPS signal depending 
> >> on signal conditions.
> >>   I wish we could get access to the military encrypted signals, sub meter 
> >> way finding would be nice.
> >>
> >>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 7:11 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I remember that portable receiver as well. I will be curious if you
> >>> try it. The problem I see with this approach is that the actual GPS
> >>> Mark, so to  speak, is often some ways away from the actual building
> >>> you're trying to go to. It might be in a parking lot for instance.
> >>> Or so I have heard from the makers of nearby explorer and Seeing Eye
> >>> GPS. The folks who decide where exactly on the map or whatever it is
> >>> that GPS is keying on our more interested in cars getting to where
> >>> they're going and pedestrians
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
>  On Jun 28, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Scott Granados  
>  wrote:
> 
>  Good ol Smith-Kettlewell, I remember building some of their projects 
>  when I was in school.  I will definitely check out this app.
>  The physical talking signs unit was very simple but effective.  You 
>  pointed a small IR receiver that converted the IR signal to speech and 
>  the clearer the sound the more closely aligned to the correct direction 
>  you were.  They put transmitters over the tracks at the train station 
>  with the track number for example or over the Subway sub shop sign 
>  directly over the door.
> 
> 
> > On Jun 27, 2017, at 5:30 PM, David Chittenden  
> > wrote:
> >
> > Smith-Kettlewell, the developers of Talking Signs, put out an app 
> > called Over There, which works on the iPhone like the Talking Signs 
> > receiver. It uses GPS and the Google Places database.
> 

Re: Removal of 3D Touch app switching gesture in iOS 11 confirmed as intentional change

[Kevin Chao]

4-finger swipe left/right to switch apps and 3D touch on left edge for app
switcher don’t seem to work in iOS 11 beta.
The return to last app and phone call buttons, as well as double-press HOME
button for app switcher still work.

On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 9:24 AM Mary Otten  wrote:

> I know, your android devices will tell you when you hit the home button.
> It's just slower. I have two of them, and it's definitely slower.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 2, 2017, at 8:58 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
> >
> > Hi. I can’t see it as a problem as my Android devices don’t have a home
> button and Talkback will tell you when your finger is on the home button.
> >> On 1 Jul 2017, at 02:29, Mary Otten  wrote:
> >>
> >> The impression I got from the article was that this button goes away in
> ios11. 11. Maybe I misunderstood what I read. I hope I did, because I use
> that a lot. And I'm aware of the app switcher. I'm also aware that the home
> button is apparently going away completely in terms of a physical feelable
> button on the next phone. So it will be interesting how Apple makes that
> easily findable with VO.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Mary,
> >>> When you go into a link from an e-mail, there is a return to mail
> button in the top left corner.  As far as returning to a previous app is
> concerned, we have an app switcher for that.
> >>>
> >>> Chris
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Re: ios 11 beta

[Kevin Chao]

Installing beta configuration profile certificate on Apple Watch is
straightforward and can be done via iPhone. Similar to activating the link
for iPhone, one only need select “Watch” as destination.

On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 7:26 PM Scott Granados 
wrote:

> Oh that’s not bad.  I have Xcode installed and am familiar with what it
> installs.
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
>
> On Jul 2, 2017, at 10:21 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>
> You Need to be Using Xcode, so People That Don’t Have Max Essentially
> Cannot do This Process. You Need Xcode to Get The UD ID of Your Watch,
> Which Can Only be Found When Impaired iPhone is Connected to The Computer.
> Once The UD ID is Registered With The Developer site, Then You Install The
> Beta Profile on Your Watch and Check For Updates as Normal.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 2, 2017, at 9:49 PM, Scott Granados 
> wrote:
>
> How difficult is it to install the beta on the watch?
>
> I thought this was a very involved process, did you find it simple or have
> things changed since I last looked?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> On Jul 2, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Jenine Stanley 
> wrote:
>
> Simon, Just tried this using iOS11 beta on my 6S and my original Apple
> Watch running watchOS 3.2.3 Dev beta 4 and it works. Before I updated the
> Watch though and was using a public version of watchOS, it also worked. I
> do so wish they’d make it a complication, yes I use it that much.
>
> On Jul 2, 2017, at 4:12 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>
> Can someone with an apple watch and is using the IOS 11 beta check for me
> that the
> ping your phone
> feature of the watch
> isnt’ working currently?
>
>
> Just wanting to confirm that’ it’s not just me and is an issue with the
>  beta
> Note that the watch is running the latest production OS release not a beta.
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Re: Type instead of talk to Siri with iOS 11 - CNET

[Kevin Chao]

I wish that this was an “and”, not an “or” option.
If one enable sthe type to Siri, it’s not possible to speak to it when
holding down the HOME button. Yes, there is the “Hey Siri”, but that isn’t
as reliable as the HOME button. It’d be great if like Google Assistant,
it’s possible to open/close keyboard/microphone on the fly.

On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 7:13 PM M. Taylor  wrote:

> CNET How To - Friday, June 30, 2017 at 11:03 AM
>
> Type instead of talk to Siri with iOS 11 - CNET
> Matt Elliott/CNET
>
> Here's how my conversations with Siri usually go: press the Home button,
> ask
> a question, realize I spoke before Siri was listening, press the Home
> button
> again, ask the question, repeat the question because Siri misheard me, ask
> again but louder because Siri still didn't get it right, curse Siri's name,
> open the Google search app and ask it my question or just type it in.
> Siri has some work to do, but with iOS 11 you can type or talk to Siri. Not
> only does typing your queries to Siri avoid the issue of Siri mishearing
> you, but it's also useful when you are sitting in a quiet coffee shop or
> movie theater and want to ask Siri something.
> To enable the feature, go to Settings > General > Accessibility > Siri and
> toggle on Type to Siri. Now, when you long-press the Home button, Siri will
> pop up with her familiar "What can I help you with?" question but with a
> search bar and keyboard below.
>  Screenshot by Matt Elliott/CNET
> If you want both options of typing and talking to Siri, you can enable the
> "Hey, Siri" command so that you can utter those magic words to speak to
> Siri
> and long-press the Home button to type to Siri. You'll find the Hey Siri
> setting by going to Settings > Siri & Search.
> Read more: All the tips, tricks and new features of iOS 11
>
> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/type-instead-of-talk-to-siri-with-ios-11/#ftag=C
> AD5457c2c
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Re: Ranges in Formulas in Numbers

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

I should probably just wait for someone who actually knows to answer, but based 
on my fiddling with the same template, Numbers seems to automatically make a 
range out of any row or column you assign a header to.The range is anything 
in the column that has the named heading.

> On Jul 2, 2017, at 1:59 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Trying to build myself a new budget and I thought I’d take a look at the 
> template that comes with Numbers.  In one of the cells, the following formula 
> appears:
> 
> SUMIF(Category,A2,$Amount)
> 
> From what I understand, “Category” would refer to where to look for the 
> value, a2 refers to the actual value and $amount refers to the numeric value 
> associated with the found value.
> 
> Voiceover reports that both “Category” and “$amount” are ranges.
> 
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Re: ios 11 beta

[Scott Granados]

Oh that’s not bad.  I have Xcode installed and am familiar with what it 
installs.

Thanks for the info.


> On Jul 2, 2017, at 10:21 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
> You Need to be Using Xcode, so People That Don’t Have Max Essentially Cannot 
> do This Process. You Need Xcode to Get The UD ID of Your Watch, Which Can 
> Only be Found When Impaired iPhone is Connected to The Computer. Once The UD 
> ID is Registered With The Developer site, Then You Install The Beta Profile 
> on Your Watch and Check For Updates as Normal.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone  
> 
> On Jul 2, 2017, at 9:49 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> How difficult is it to install the beta on the watch?
>> 
>> I thought this was a very involved process, did you find it simple or have 
>> things changed since I last looked?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Jenine Stanley >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Simon, Just tried this using iOS11 beta on my 6S and my original Apple 
>>> Watch running watchOS 3.2.3 Dev beta 4 and it works. Before I updated the 
>>> Watch though and was using a public version of watchOS, it also worked. I 
>>> do so wish they’d make it a complication, yes I use it that much.
 On Jul 2, 2017, at 4:12 AM, Simon Fogarty > wrote:
 
 Can someone with an apple watch and is using the IOS 11 beta check for me 
 that the
 ping your phone 
 feature of the watch 
 isnt’ working currently?
  
  
 Just wanting to confirm that’ it’s not just me and is an issue with the  
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Re: ios 11 beta

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You Need to be Using Xcode, so People That Don’t Have Max Essentially Cannot do 
This Process. You Need Xcode to Get The UD ID of Your Watch, Which Can Only be 
Found When Impaired iPhone is Connected to The Computer. Once The UD ID is 
Registered With The Developer site, Then You Install The Beta Profile on Your 
Watch and Check For Updates as Normal.

Sent from my iPhone  

> On Jul 2, 2017, at 9:49 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> How difficult is it to install the beta on the watch?
> 
> I thought this was a very involved process, did you find it simple or have 
> things changed since I last looked?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>> 
>> Simon, Just tried this using iOS11 beta on my 6S and my original Apple Watch 
>> running watchOS 3.2.3 Dev beta 4 and it works. Before I updated the Watch 
>> though and was using a public version of watchOS, it also worked. I do so 
>> wish they’d make it a complication, yes I use it that much.
>>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 4:12 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can someone with an apple watch and is using the IOS 11 beta check for me 
>>> that the
>>> ping your phone 
>>> feature of the watch 
>>> isnt’ working currently?
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Just wanting to confirm that’ it’s not just me and is an issue with the  
>>> beta
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Type instead of talk to Siri with iOS 11 - CNET

[M. Taylor]

CNET How To - Friday, June 30, 2017 at 11:03 AM

Type instead of talk to Siri with iOS 11 - CNET
Matt Elliott/CNET 

Here's how my conversations with Siri usually go: press the Home button, ask
a question, realize I spoke before Siri was listening, press the Home button
again, ask the question, repeat the question because Siri misheard me, ask
again but louder because Siri still didn't get it right, curse Siri's name,
open the Google search app and ask it my question or just type it in.
Siri has some work to do, but with iOS 11 you can type or talk to Siri. Not
only does typing your queries to Siri avoid the issue of Siri mishearing
you, but it's also useful when you are sitting in a quiet coffee shop or
movie theater and want to ask Siri something.
To enable the feature, go to Settings > General > Accessibility > Siri and
toggle on Type to Siri. Now, when you long-press the Home button, Siri will
pop up with her familiar "What can I help you with?" question but with a
search bar and keyboard below.
 Screenshot by Matt Elliott/CNET 
If you want both options of typing and talking to Siri, you can enable the
"Hey, Siri" command so that you can utter those magic words to speak to Siri
and long-press the Home button to type to Siri. You'll find the Hey Siri
setting by going to Settings > Siri & Search.
Read more: All the tips, tricks and new features of iOS 11
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How to enable iOS 11's hidden dark mode - CNET

[M. Taylor]

CNET How To - Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 2:53 PM

How to enable iOS 11's hidden dark mode - CNET
Matt Elliott/CNET 
iOS 11 introduces a display setting that inverts some but not all of the
colors on your device. iOS has long had a setting to invert the colors on
your device, but now it has a smarter invert option that leaves photos,
videos and other elements alone. It's the closest thing you'll find to a
dark mode for your iPhone or iPad.
Head to Settings > General > Accessibility > Display Accommodations > Invert
Colors and toggle on Smart Invert. (You'll notice that the old invert option
is now labeled Classic Invert.)
With Smart Invert enabled, you'll immediately see that the background for
Settings app turns black but the toggle switch background color remains
green instead of turning purple like it does with Classic Invert. The app
icons also remain unchanged. Open the Photos app and you'll see a similar
effect -- the background is black but the photos are left alone so they
don't look like photo negatives. Also, Smart Invert is smart enough to keep
its hands off an app with a dark background, such as the Clock app.
Meanwhile, on your home screen, your device's wallpaper doesn't get inverted
but the dock at the bottom does and the white text at the top turns black. 
What do the aforementioned apps have in common? Yep, they're all from Apple.
Smart Invert is less smart with third-party apps. Instagram and YouTube, for
example, are rendered useless with Smart Invert because the colors for
photos and videos on each app are inverted and look crazy. Same for news
apps such as Huffington Post, The New York Times and Newser, but Apple's
News app looks just fine with Smart Invert. Like the Clock app, Spotify has
a black background, but because it's not made by Apple, its background turns
white and album art exhibits insane, inverted colors with Smart Invert.
Perhaps Smart Invert will get smarter when the final version of iOS 11 is
rolled out this fall, but for now it's best used sparingly. You aren't
likely going to drill down into the Settings app to enable it for use with a
particular app, only to then head back to Settings to turn it off again.
Thankfully, you can set an Accessibility shortcut for Smart Invert that will
let you triple-click the Home button to toggle it on and off. To set up the
shortcut, go to Settings > General > Accessibility, scroll all the way to
the bottom to Accessibility Shortcut and select Smart Invert Colors. That's
the smartest way to use Smart Invert for my money.
Read more: All the tips, tricks and new features of iOS 11
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Re: ios 11 beta

[Scott Granados]

How difficult is it to install the beta on the watch?

I thought this was a very involved process, did you find it simple or have 
things changed since I last looked?

Thanks


> On Jul 2, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
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> Simon, Just tried this using iOS11 beta on my 6S and my original Apple Watch 
> running watchOS 3.2.3 Dev beta 4 and it works. Before I updated the Watch 
> though and was using a public version of watchOS, it also worked. I do so 
> wish they’d make it a complication, yes I use it that much.
>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 4:12 AM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Can someone with an apple watch and is using the IOS 11 beta check for me 
>> that the
>> ping your phone 
>> feature of the watch 
>> isnt’ working currently?
>>  
>>  
>> Just wanting to confirm that’ it’s not just me and is an issue with the  beta
>> Note that the watch is running the latest production OS release not a beta.
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Re: Copying Songs from Mac to Iphone without Itunes

[Jessica Moss]

Have you used a service called evermusic?  It lets you stream all your normal 
services like dropbox, Pcloud, etc., and is verry easy to use.  You just tell 
it what account you want linked, sign in to your account, drag and drop the 
files you want to the folders on your computer, and there you go.
> On Jul 2, 2017, at 6:54 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
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> Hi all:
> 
> I have some songs that i need to move to my iPhone from my Mac mini, i don’t 
> want to use I tunes, I tried using the airdrop but My Iphone asks me where to 
> put the songs, i choose the app that am using which called Files Pro by 
> Aloive Toast Software LTD, it’s very accessible,  but when i select this, i 
> can not find the files that i sent over airdrop,
> do you have any other suggestions of how to move some songs from my Mac to My 
> Iphone?
> Thanks in advance 
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High Sierra Beta

[E.T.]

   Created the installer with Terminal, and booted from it. I am  using 
the old hard drive I replaced with an SSD. If I am not mistaken, its to 
be formatted with Mac extended journaled?


   Then back to the screen to select the install option. I select the 
old hard drive and it starts the process. At 99% it abruptly kicks me 
back to the login screen. Did I miss something?


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Re: ios 11 beta

[E.T.]

   You need to install the Public Access Utility first. Then you run 
that which will take you to the App Store to download the beta.


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On 7/2/2017 3:06 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

Smile, when you say that baby!  Oh, sorry, I forgot.  Chick.  LOL.



*From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jenine Stanley
*Sent:* July 2, 2017 7:49 AM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: ios 11 beta



That’s Chick to you, Sir. *grin*

On Jul 2, 2017, at 10:29 AM, David & his pack of dogs
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Girls and their toys.  LOL.



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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jenine Stanley
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*Subject:* Re: ios 11 beta



Simon, Just tried this using iOS11 beta on my 6S and my original
Apple Watch running watchOS 3.2.3 Dev beta 4 and it works. Before I
updated the Watch though and was using a public version of watchOS,
it also worked. I do so wish they’d make it a complication, yes I
use it that much.

On Jul 2, 2017, at 4:12 AM, Simon Fogarty > wrote:



Can someone with an apple watch and is using the IOS 11 beta
check for me that the

ping your phone

feature of the watch

isnt’ working currently?





Just wanting to confirm that’ it’s not just me and is an issue
with the  beta

Note that the watch is running the latest production OS release
not a beta.



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RE: ios 11 beta

[David & his pack of dogs]

Smile, when you say that baby!  Oh, sorry, I forgot.  Chick.  LOL.  

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jenine Stanley
Sent: July 2, 2017 7:49 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: ios 11 beta

 

That’s Chick to you, Sir. *grin*

On Jul 2, 2017, at 10:29 AM, David & his pack of dogs  > wrote:

 

Girls and their toys.  LOL.  

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jenine Stanley
Sent: July 2, 2017 7:13 AM
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Subject: Re: ios 11 beta

 

Simon, Just tried this using iOS11 beta on my 6S and my original Apple Watch 
running watchOS 3.2.3 Dev beta 4 and it works. Before I updated the Watch 
though and was using a public version of watchOS, it also worked. I do so wish 
they’d make it a complication, yes I use it that much.

On Jul 2, 2017, at 4:12 AM, Simon Fogarty <  
si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

 

Can someone with an apple watch and is using the IOS 11 beta check for me that 
the

ping your phone 

feature of the watch 

isnt’ working currently?

 

 

Just wanting to confirm that’ it’s not just me and is an issue with the  beta

Note that the watch is running the latest production OS release not a beta.

 

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Re: having trouble installing High Sierra beta

[Kliphton Miller]

I didn’t get that error, but I also did a clean install on a separate partition 
also.
> On Jul 2, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Scott Berry  wrote:
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> Hello there,
> 
> Has anyone has trouble installing the High Sierra Beta?  I get an error that 
> says that the restore server has problems and can’t be accessed.  Is there 
> any suggestions on how to get around this.  In case the suggestion is to 
> report this I already did in the Sierra beta since it was an upgrade issue.
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Re: IMovie with voiceover

[Likidefs]

Hi there,
Daniela thank you very very much. Now I've got it. I was moving my cursor 
around, so I was losing it.
A great thanks to everyone that tried to help in one or another way.
Steve 

2 Ιουλ 2017, 1:54 μμ, ο/η Daniela Rubio  έγραψε:

> Hi there!
> 
> I will reply under your own lines, I hope it helps!!!
> 
> 
>> El 1 jul 2017, a las 23:36, Likidefs  escribió:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> The Nella thank you for your willingness to help. Yes I need your help.
>> Using the MPG stream, I drop the in marker and then the out marker, and then 
>> by pressing cmd X it doesn't remove the selected part but removes all the 
>> rest and lives the selected
> 
> To use MPG, the best way is just to open the file and don’t move VoiceOver 
> cursor anywhere. You can play and pause just with the space bar.
> Let’s imagine that you have a 10 seconds video. You open it and you press 
> space, it will start. At second 3, you press space again, so the video stops; 
> and there, you drop an in marker. Then you press space to go on; and at 
> second 6, you press space again and drop an out marker. If you press CMD+x, 
> the part between your markers will go away..
> 
>> . I also can't find the stop button. When I press play and then when I press 
>> play again, The speed gets faster and faster but it doesn't stop.
> For that, don’t press the buttons, just use space bar to stop and play.
> 
>> Another problem i'm facing is, when I have a very very long file and I want 
>> to trim from a point to the end, how can I do that?  
> When you open a file for the first time, the in and out are set at the 
> beginning and end of that file. So, if you move the In point to the part 
> where you want to trim your video and then press CMD+X, the program will cut 
> all the rest between your in and the default out point.
> 
> An other little advice, if you press FN+Arrows, you can move inside your file 
> in different intervals back and forwards.
> 
> Hope it helps!
> 
> .
>> Thank you
>> 30 Ιουν 2017, 12:01 μμ, ο/η Daniela Rubio  έγραψε:
>> 
>>> Hello!
>>> 
>>> Yes, yes, you can do that as well. If you establish In and out to mark the 
>>> part you want to trim, you just cut it with CMD+x and it is gone. The 
>>> program also has the possibility to export to different video and audio 
>>> formats and keeps of course the original files.
>>> 
>>> If you want help in using it just let me know, but the menus and shortcuts 
>>> are easy to understand by them selves.
>>> 
>>> I am glad that you liked the program. I use it a lot and love it.
>>> 
>>> Have a great weekend!
>>> 
>>> 
 El 30 jun 2017, a las 7:56, Likidefs  escribió:
 
 Hello,
 QuickTime is OK, but trims the end or the beginning of the video. I'm 
 looking of something that can trim also in the middle easily.
 Daniela i've downloaded MPG Stream clip and it seems easier than 
 QuickTime. Now I am looking if it has the feature I have previously said. 
 Both programs they can do is actually throw the entire video out and keep 
 the trimmed clip. What I want to do is to throw the trimmed clips out and 
 keep The  rest video.
 A very nice and easy software that could do all these things I'm asking 
 for is sound Forge, but I don't know if it is running on Mac and if it 
 still accessible. I was using it in the windows years back.
 
 
 25 Ιουν 2017, 2:16 πμ, ο/η Kliphton Miller  έγραψε:
 
> Quick time is great too.
>> On Jun 24, 2017, at 4:47 PM, Likidefs  wrote:
>> 
>> If anyone knows another video editing software that is accessible 
>> besides iMovie, please let me know. I'll try to figure out how it works 
>> or try to find another software it's more accessible. I'll let you know 
>> if you wish. Thank you very much for your time.
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>> 23 Ιουν 2017, 8:16 πμ, ο/η David & his pack of dogs 
>>  έγραψε:
>> 
>>> I think the stance is, how can they edit something they can not see?  
>>> Faulty but, sadly, true.  
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Thacker Jr.
>>> Sent: June 22, 2017 6:56 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: IMovie with voiceover
>>> 
>>> I asked the same question a while back, and the answer was not 
>>> encouraging.  I am sorry I don’t remember the details anymore, but I 
>>> was able to do some simple editing by using menu commands.  From within 
>>> the clip you can use menu commands to split a single clip and then a 
>>> trim from beginning (I think that’s what it was) to cut away the piece 
>>> you don’t want.  It is very tedious, so I too will be interested if 
>>> someone knows a better way.  Unfortunately 

Re: Question regarding CC in Mail.

[John Panarese]

   Go into Mail preferences. Choose, composing, and make sure you don't have 
the checkbox checked for automatically CCing yourself.


Take Care

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> Evening everyone!
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> I'm not sure how I've done this, but for some strange reason my name Gary 
> Price has started appearing in every single new message in the CC field in 
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> 
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> 
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having trouble installing High Sierra beta

[Scott Berry]

Hello there,

Has anyone has trouble installing the High Sierra Beta?  I get an error that 
says that the restore server has problems and can’t be accessed.  Is there any 
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Question regarding CC in Mail.

[Gary Price]

Evening everyone!

I'm not sure how I've done this, but for some strange reason my name Gary Price 
has started appearing in every single new message in the CC field in Mail.

Please how do I turn this off?

I have looked all over the place in Mail preferences and all I can find under 
the composing part is CC popup button, in this is two options, CC or Bcc.

Thanks very much, any responses appreciated!
Gary Price
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Re: Night owl?

[Caitlyn Furness]

There’s a good tutorial on night owl on apple vis..

I am using it, but don’t know these commands off the top of my head..

HTH,
Caitlyn

> On Jul 2, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
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> have looked in the apple menu.  But the ones I need aren’t they, or maybe 
> they don’t exist?
> Following someone
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Ranges in Formulas in Numbers

[Jeff Berwick]

Hi all,

Trying to build myself a new budget and I thought I’d take a look at the 
template that comes with Numbers.  In one of the cells, the following formula 
appears:

SUMIF(Category,A2,$Amount)

>From what I understand, “Category” would refer to where to look for the value, 
>a2 refers to the actual value and $amount refers to the numeric value 
>associated with the found value.

Voiceover reports that both “Category” and “$amount” are ranges.

My question is, how can I figure out where these ranges point and how do you 
create a range?

Tia,
Jeff


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Re: High Sierra Beta

[E.T.]

   Got it, started over again with the Public Access utility and this 
time got the full installer.


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On 7/2/2017 10:11 AM, E.T. wrote:

   What is the secret for creating a bootable installer for the beta? I
run the code in Terminal and get an error message saying this app does
not appear to be a valid installer.

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Night owl?

[Kliphton Miller]

It’s been a while since I used night owl.  Anyone have a list of commands?  I 
have looked in the apple menu.  But the ones I need aren’t they, or maybe they 
don’t exist?
Following someone
Turning text alerts on or off for a single user
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High Sierra Beta

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   What is the secret for creating a bootable installer for the beta? I 
run the code in Terminal and get an error message saying this app does 
not appear to be a valid installer.


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Re: Removal of 3D Touch app switching gesture in iOS 11 confirmed as intentional change

[Mary Otten]

I know, your android devices will tell you when you hit the home button. It's 
just slower. I have two of them, and it's definitely slower.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

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>> On 1 Jul 2017, at 02:29, Mary Otten  wrote:
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>> The impression I got from the article was that this button goes away in 
>> ios11. 11. Maybe I misunderstood what I read. I hope I did, because I use 
>> that a lot. And I'm aware of the app switcher. I'm also aware that the home 
>> button is apparently going away completely in terms of a physical feelable 
>> button on the next phone. So it will be interesting how Apple makes that 
>> easily findable with VO.
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Re: Removal of 3D Touch app switching gesture in iOS 11 confirmed as intentional change

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. I can’t see it as a problem as my Android devices don’t have a home button 
and Talkback will tell you when your finger is on the home button. 
> On 1 Jul 2017, at 02:29, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> ios11. 11. Maybe I misunderstood what I read. I hope I did, because I use 
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> button is apparently going away completely in terms of a physical feelable 
> button on the next phone. So it will be interesting how Apple makes that 
> easily findable with VO.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> When you go into a link from an e-mail, there is a return to mail button in 
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Re: Copying Songs from Mac to Iphone without Itunes

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Good on you ET.  I probably should have curbed by thoughts as well, but I felt 
rebellious this morning :).

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 2, 2017, at 09:37, E.T.  wrote:

  I actually agree with you Tim. I would have said as much but I did not want 
to get into the "why not use iTunes" question.

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On 7/2/2017 8:32 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm really confused by the number of folks who will jump through numerous 
> hoops to avoid using iTunes.  The process is rather simple to make the song 
> transfer when using iTunes, but choose to use some other method and you'll 
> cause yourself quite a bit of extra work in most cases.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 2, 2017, at 07:37, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Ramy,
>  Do you have Dropbox? I think Files Pro supports it.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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> On 7/2/2017 3:54 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> Files Pro by Aloive Toast
> 

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Re: Copying Songs from Mac to Iphone without Itunes

[E.T.]

   I actually agree with you Tim. I would have said as much but I did 
not want to get into the "why not use iTunes" question.


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On 7/2/2017 8:32 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

I'm really confused by the number of folks who will jump through numerous hoops 
to avoid using iTunes.  The process is rather simple to make the song transfer 
when using iTunes, but choose to use some other method and you'll cause 
yourself quite a bit of extra work in most cases.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 2, 2017, at 07:37, E.T.  wrote:

Ramy,
  Do you have Dropbox? I think Files Pro supports it.

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On 7/2/2017 3:54 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Files Pro by Aloive Toast




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Re: Copying Songs from Mac to Iphone without Itunes

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I'm really confused by the number of folks who will jump through numerous hoops 
to avoid using iTunes.  The process is rather simple to make the song transfer 
when using iTunes, but choose to use some other method and you'll cause 
yourself quite a bit of extra work in most cases.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 2, 2017, at 07:37, E.T.  wrote:

Ramy,
  Do you have Dropbox? I think Files Pro supports it.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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On 7/2/2017 3:54 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
> Files Pro by Aloive Toast

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Re: ios 11 beta

[Jenine Stanley]

That’s Chick to you, Sir. *grin*
> On Jul 2, 2017, at 10:29 AM, David & his pack of dogs 
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> Girls and their toys.  LOL.  
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> Simon, Just tried this using iOS11 beta on my 6S and my original Apple Watch 
> running watchOS 3.2.3 Dev beta 4 and it works. Before I updated the Watch 
> though and was using a public version of watchOS, it also worked. I do so 
> wish they’d make it a complication, yes I use it that much.
>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 4:12 AM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
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>> that the
>> ping your phone 
>> feature of the watch 
>> isnt’ working currently?
>>  
>>  
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RE: ios 11 beta

[David & his pack of dogs]

Girls and their toys.  LOL.  

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jenine Stanley
Sent: July 2, 2017 7:13 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: ios 11 beta

 

Simon, Just tried this using iOS11 beta on my 6S and my original Apple Watch 
running watchOS 3.2.3 Dev beta 4 and it works. Before I updated the Watch 
though and was using a public version of watchOS, it also worked. I do so wish 
they’d make it a complication, yes I use it that much.

On Jul 2, 2017, at 4:12 AM, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:

 

Can someone with an apple watch and is using the IOS 11 beta check for me that 
the

ping your phone 

feature of the watch 

isnt’ working currently?

 

 

Just wanting to confirm that’ it’s not just me and is an issue with the  beta

Note that the watch is running the latest production OS release not a beta.

 

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Re: ios 11 beta

[Jenine Stanley]

Simon, Just tried this using iOS11 beta on my 6S and my original Apple Watch 
running watchOS 3.2.3 Dev beta 4 and it works. Before I updated the Watch 
though and was using a public version of watchOS, it also worked. I do so wish 
they’d make it a complication, yes I use it that much.
> On Jul 2, 2017, at 4:12 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Can someone with an apple watch and is using the IOS 11 beta check for me 
> that the
> ping your phone 
> feature of the watch 
> isnt’ working currently?
>  
>  
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Re: Copying Songs from Mac to Iphone without Itunes

[E.T.]

Ramy,
   Do you have Dropbox? I think Files Pro supports it.

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On 7/2/2017 3:54 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Files Pro by Aloive Toast


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Re: Warning: Don't update the Hive App

[Donna Goodin]

We use nest, and mostly like it.  Setting up the schedule is--or at least 
was--a pain, I ended up having my husband do it.  However, we'll be setting it 
up again when we get into our new house next week, so if there's interest, I 
can let people know if that has gotten any better.  Once the schedule is set 
up, however, the app is very easy to use.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jul 2, 2017, at 3:09 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> HOw about the nest, is anyone using the nest?  I was looking at this as it 
> works with my google and apple products.
> 
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 8:25 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> I have a Lyric T5, which is a smart thermostat made by Honeywell that works 
>> with HomeKit. I find the Lyric app to be a pain to use, but once you 
>> configure a schedule or geofence one time, you’re okay. On the HomeKit side, 
>> it’s easy, of course. The temperature shows in the Home app or in the 
>> Control Center, Siri can read it aloud, and you can change it. You can also 
>> hook it into other automations, like geofencing with HomeKit or motion 
>> sensors. I haven’t done this yet, as we just set the day and night 
>> temperatures and forget about them, but you could.
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 4:22 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My housing association put in the Honeywell total comfort thermostat for me 
>>> and now I am getting a free upgrade.  I think I'll be able to use it with 
>>> my I phone home kit, not sure.  Has anyone got one of these?  I was going 
>>> to get a Hive controler but I was told that it was no longer being updated 
>>> with the Apple software or that it was not guaranteed for that to happen.   
>>> So my housing association chose the other option for me.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
 On 30 Jun 2017, at 12:00, Adrienne Chalmers  wrote:
 
 Hi
 
 Anyone using the British Gas Hive heating controller don’t update the app 
 with the update released yesterday. Accessibility has been totally 
 compromised for the second time this year.
 
 I have reported it and would encourage others to do so. Last time they 
 took three weeks to fix it.
 
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Copying Songs from Mac to Iphone without Itunes

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi all:

I have some songs that i need to move to my iPhone from my Mac mini, i don’t 
want to use I tunes, I tried using the airdrop but My Iphone asks me where to 
put the songs, i choose the app that am using which called Files Pro by Aloive 
Toast Software LTD, it’s very accessible,  but when i select this, i can not 
find the files that i sent over airdrop,
do you have any other suggestions of how to move some songs from my Mac to My 
Iphone?
Thanks in advance 

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ios 11 beta

[Simon Fogarty]

Can someone with an apple watch and is using the IOS 11 beta check for me that 
the
ping your phone
feature of the watch
isnt' working currently?


Just wanting to confirm that' it's not just me and is an issue with the  beta
Note that the watch is running the latest production OS release not a beta.

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Re: Warning: Don't update the Hive App

[Scott Granados]

HOw about the nest, is anyone using the nest?  I was looking at this as it 
works with my google and apple products.


> On Jul 1, 2017, at 8:25 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I have a Lyric T5, which is a smart thermostat made by Honeywell that works 
> with HomeKit. I find the Lyric app to be a pain to use, but once you 
> configure a schedule or geofence one time, you’re okay. On the HomeKit side, 
> it’s easy, of course. The temperature shows in the Home app or in the Control 
> Center, Siri can read it aloud, and you can change it. You can also hook it 
> into other automations, like geofencing with HomeKit or motion sensors. I 
> haven’t done this yet, as we just set the day and night temperatures and 
> forget about them, but you could.
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 4:22 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> My housing association put in the Honeywell total comfort thermostat for me 
>> and now I am getting a free upgrade.  I think I'll be able to use it with my 
>> I phone home kit, not sure.  Has anyone got one of these?  I was going to 
>> get a Hive controler but I was told that it was no longer being updated with 
>> the Apple software or that it was not guaranteed for that to happen.   So my 
>> housing association chose the other option for me.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 30 Jun 2017, at 12:00, Adrienne Chalmers  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> Anyone using the British Gas Hive heating controller don’t update the app 
>>> with the update released yesterday. Accessibility has been totally 
>>> compromised for the second time this year.
>>> 
>>> I have reported it and would encourage others to do so. Last time they took 
>>> three weeks to fix it.
>>> 
>>> Best
>>> 
>>> Adrienne
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Does The SiriusXM Web Player Still Use Javascript?

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi all. I remember that this was discussed a few months ago, but I didn't have 
a SiriusXM account until now. So I'm listening to SiriusXM on my Mac using 
Chrome because there are issues with Radium using High Sierra. Email me 
privately if you want to know what they are. Anyway, I heard from a website 
that if you turn off Javascript, it will eliminate the stupid time out rule 
SiriusXM has if you're not using your computer. So, after I resolved a few 
issues with Chrome's settings and Voiceover, I successfully turned off 
Javascript. But my question is, with the new changes to their web interface 
that SiriusXM made, does it still use Javascript? If not, I guess it'll still 
time out no matter if Javascript is on or off right? Many thanks in advance.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
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RE: IMovie with voiceover

[Simon Fogarty]

Hey Ray,

How do you know!?

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On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Sunday, 2 July 2017 3:40 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IMovie with voiceover

Barefoot?  Well, at least you are not pregnant.  LOL.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret jr
Sent: July 1, 2017 5:53 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IMovie with voiceover

I tried Mpg stream and didn’t like it.  Could not figure out how to quickly 
jump to the end of a video and it seems it’s not possible to have more than one 
video open at a time so you can copy and paste in the usual way.  Therefore, no 
good for me.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

On Jul 1, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Likidefs 
> wrote:

Hello,
The Nella thank you for your willingness to help. Yes I need your help.
Using the MPG stream, I drop the in marker and then the out marker, and then by 
pressing cmd X it doesn't remove the selected part but removes all the rest and 
lives the selected. I also can't find the stop button. When I press play and 
then when I press play again, The speed gets faster and faster but it doesn't 
stop.
Another problem i'm facing is, when I have a very very long file and I want to 
trim from a point to the end, how can I do that?
Thank you
30 Ιουν 2017, 12:01 μμ, ο/η Daniela Rubio 
> έγραψε:

Hello!

Yes, yes, you can do that as well. If you establish In and out to mark the part 
you want to trim, you just cut it with CMD+x and it is gone. The program also 
has the possibility to export to different video and audio formats and keeps of 
course the original files.

If you want help in using it just let me know, but the menus and shortcuts are 
easy to understand by them selves.

I am glad that you liked the program. I use it a lot and love it.

Have a great weekend!


El 30 jun 2017, a las 7:56, Likidefs 
> escribió:

Hello,
QuickTime is OK, but trims the end or the beginning of the video. I'm looking 
of something that can trim also in the middle easily.
Daniela i've downloaded MPG Stream clip and it seems easier than QuickTime. Now 
I am looking if it has the feature I have previously said. Both programs they 
can do is actually throw the entire video out and keep the trimmed clip. What I 
want to do is to throw the trimmed clips out and keep The  rest video.
A very nice and easy software that could do all these things I'm asking for is 
sound Forge, but I don't know if it is running on Mac and if it still 
accessible. I was using it in the windows years back.


25 Ιουν 2017, 2:16 πμ, ο/η Kliphton Miller 
> έγραψε:

Quick time is great too.
On Jun 24, 2017, at 4:47 PM, Likidefs 
> wrote:

If anyone knows another video editing software that is accessible besides 
iMovie, please let me know. I'll try to figure out how it works or try to find 
another software it's more accessible. I'll let you know if you wish. Thank you 
very much for your time.
Steve


23 Ιουν 2017, 8:16 πμ, ο/η David & his pack of dogs 
> έγραψε:

I think the stance is, how can they edit something they can not see?  Faulty 
but, sadly, true.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Thacker Jr.
Sent: June 22, 2017 6:56 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IMovie with voiceover

I asked the same question a while back, and the answer was not encouraging.  I 
am sorry I don’t remember the details anymore, but I was able to do some simple 
editing by using menu commands.  From within the clip you can use menu commands 
to split a single clip and then a trim from beginning (I think that’s what it 
was) to cut away the piece you don’t want.  It is very tedious, so I too will 
be interested if someone knows a better way.  Unfortunately it has not occurred 
even to the usually  accommodating folks at apple that blind people do have 
need to edit video.

On Jun 22, 2017, at 4:34 PM, Likidefs 
> wrote:

Hi guys,
I'd like some help with iMovie. I have searched around the net, but they found 
nothing.
I want to process some videos. Trim them, join them together, put some 
narration on them etc. Does anyone have any idea how to do that or where can I 

RE: Pages book

[Simon Fogarty]

Oh well ann

When your back to a1 health you’ll be able to sit down and write yoru numbers 
book to go with the great pages book,

But for now good luck with the health and wee hope you get back to normal soon.

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On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Saturday, 1 July 2017 11:20 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: Pages book

Hello Simon,

I don’t think we’ll be writing a Numbers book. It takes an awful lot of time 
and energy. My husband has much less time these days and I have much less 
energy.

Cheers,

Anne



On 1 Jul 2017, at 00:28, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Hi Ann,

When will you if possible this is be putting out a manual for numbers?



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Saturday, 1 July 2017 1:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pages book

Hello Harry,

If you look at Appendix 5, you’ll find how to get Home, End, etc on a laptop.

Cheers,

Anne



On 30 Jun 2017, at 14:42, Harry Bell 
> wrote:

Hello, Anne!
I've started reading your book and I have come across instructions to tap 
VO-Home and also reference to a Page Down or Page Up Key. On my MacBook 2009 I 
have large print stickers and no number pad: how can I find these Home, Page 
Down, Page Up keys?
Thanks
Harry

On 29 Jun 2017, at 18:04, Anne Robertson 
> wrote:
Hello Harry,

It explains how to get around Pages without getting stuck anywhere. There are 
times when you have to turn cursor tracking off to avoid that problem, or to 
avoid changing something you don’t want to change.
I tested everything over and over again as we wrote the book and I have no 
sight at all to get myself out of difficulties by looking at the screen.
Cheers,

Anne



On 29 Jun 2017, at 16:34, Harry Bell 
> wrote:

Marvellous! I've ordered it now! Will it tell me how to get the voiceover focus 
back into a Pages document in order to edit when I'm stuck because focus has 
inexplicably got stuck going round the fonts and styles in the panel to the 
right of the actual Pages document?
Thanks
Harry

On 29 Jun 2017, at 15:12, Anne Robertson 
> wrote:
Hello Harry,

Here’s the link to the web page where you can purchase the Pages book:


I’m afraid it only covers Pages on the Mac.

Cheers,

Anne



On 29 Jun 2017, at 14:32, Harry Bell 
> wrote:

Oh, is there a Pages book??? I love the Mac Basics book and I really struggle 
with Pages and would love to get a book to help with Pages on Mac (and on iOS 
too!)
Harry



On 29 Jun 2017, at 13:12, Caitlyn Furness 
> wrote:

Hi Ann,

When I looked up the shortcut on apple’s pages site, it said to use fn command 
return..  I was just confused at first because on my i mac, I am using an 
extended keyboard.  I thought the fn key was only for the little bluetooth 
keyboards and laptops..

Oh, well, live and learn!  thanks for answering, and I love your pages book, 
still going through it..

Cait



On Jun 29, 2017, at 3:34 AM, Anne Robertson 
> wrote:

The page break shortcut works just fine. What you have to remember is that 
Enter is not Return but FN-Return on a laptop, or the Enter key on the numpad 
of an extended keyboard.

Cheers,

Anne





On 28 Jun 2017, at 19:24, Jonathan C. Cohn 
> wrote:



You should be able to make any menu item a keyboard shortcut, if you need to. 
This has  been discussed on the list before. Also, please don't just reply to a 
message especially if you don't change the subject.
You need to modify application shortcuts in the keyboard panel of System 
Preferences.


On Jun 28, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Caitlyn Furness 
> wrote:

Hi,
I am having trouble with pages.

There is supposed to be a keyboard shortcut, command enter, which makes a page 
break.  when I hit this, my mac makes a bonking noise, and I am unable to 
perform the keyboard shortcut.  If I go to the insert section on the menu bar, 
and choose insert page break, then it works.

Is there any fix for this??  I’d love to be able to use this keyboard shortcut 
versus going through the menu bar..

thanks!
Caitlyn
ps-I am thinking about getting Scrivener, any users of that particular app here?

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