RE: Replace your dubious iPhone 7 headphone dongle with this $40 Lightning adapter - CNET

[gary-melconian]

Mary, I totally gree with you on this one. We will havet o test ot se hwo this 
one does do.  I am a bit cautious when aany o these are testited out .  

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 7:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Replace your dubious iPhone 7 headphone dongle with this $40 
Lightning adapter - CNET

Well, here's what I want to know. How about a blind test. How about the sighted 
 guy doesn't know which adapter he's using, and can he still hear the 
difference? I have some very excellent wired headphones from B and W and 
Audese, and I think they're fine with the lightning adapter. Maybe that's just 
my ears. But I don't trust this guy. Blindfold the sucker and then let's hear 
what he has to say.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 15, 2017, at 6:05 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> CNET News - Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 11:47 AM
> 
> Replace your dubious iPhone 7 headphone dongle with this $40 Lightning 
> adapter - CNET
> 
> Let's say you dropped $300-plus on a nice set of wired AKG, Beats, 
> Beyerdynamic, Bose, Bowers & Wilkins, Grado, Oppo, Sennheiser or 
> Ultimate Ears headphones. Then later, you bought an iPhone 7 and 
> discovered it doesn't have a 3.5mm headphone jack onboard. Are you 
> going to toss your headphones to get a set of Bluetooth headphones 
> that don't sound as good as what you have now? That doesn't make any sense.
> FiiO's nifty i1 headphone amplifier and digital converter FiiO Apple 
> nixed the 3.5mm headphone jack on the iPhone 7, and there's not much 
> chance it'll return on iPhone 8, but what are folks with nice wired 
> headphones to do? Sure, they could use the Lightning-to-3.5mm adapter 
> which comes bundled with the 7, but that's far from an optimal 
> solution. And that's not just my opinion, it's one of the 
> poorest-rated products on Apple's own site with 209 one- and two-star 
> reviews! Apple customers really don't like the adapter.
> Now, with FiiO's nifty i1 headphone amplifier and digital converter, 
> iPhone
> 7 (and presumably iPhone 8) users have a better option. It sells for 
> $39.99 on Amazon in the US and £49.99 in the UK. (The Australian price 
> hasn't been set, but you could expect it to sell for around AU$80.) 
> Comparison of Fiio i1 and Apple Lightning Adapter Steve 
> Guttenberg/CNET Naturally, we had to compare the two adapters, FiiO 
> and Apple. Starting with a Sennheiser Momentum 2.0, the i1's bass 
> definition firmed up compared with the Apple Adapter. With "Pink Up" 
> from Spoon's "Hot Thoughts" album, the drums and vibes have a lot of 
> reverb, and the i1 sounds clearer than the Apple adapter. Not by a 
> huge amount, but the differences are there.
> The changes were more obvious when I plugged in my Beyerdynamic T51p 
> on-ear headphones. The Apple adapter sounded muted and dull; the i1 
> had more life and energy.
> I also tried the i1 with some in-ear headphones, starting with my 
> Ultimate Ears UE900, and the sound quality differences were slight. So 
> I'm not all that convinced that i1 is a big enough sonic upgrade over 
> the Apple Adapter with every headphone. However, the good news is that 
> significantly better sound is available from the AudioQuest DragonFly 
> Black ($99, £89, AU$160) and DragonFly Red ($199, £169, AU$320) 
> portable headphone amplifiers/digital converters that work with 
> iPhones. The catch: they're the size of a USB flash drive, so they're bigger 
> and bulkier to carry around than the i1.
> The i1 cable has a mic and inline controls, but call sound quality was 
> a little muffled. There were instances where the i1 didn't play music 
> at first, but unplugging and replugging the Lightning connector once 
> or twice usually brought the sound back to life. What can I say -- the 
> Lightning plug isn't the most reliable connector for audio devices.
> The FiiO i1's 32-inch (81mm) cable was too long, I'd be happier if it 
> was half that length, but as it stands, the i1 is a viable alternative 
> for iPhone owners who have a decent pair of wired headphones and want 
> something a little better than Apple's less-than-stellar Lightning 
> adapter. I'm hoping even better adapters will eventually show up, but 
> for now, I'm sticking with my iPhone 6S that has a 3.5mm headphone jack and 
> the Lightning connector.
> 
> Original Article at:
> https://www.cnet.com/news/apples-lightning-headphone-adapter-is-a-dud-
> fiios-
> i1-is-better/#ftag=CAD590a51e
> 
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Re: Replace your dubious iPhone 7 headphone dongle with this $40 Lightning adapter - CNET

[Mary Otten]

Well, here's what I want to know. How about a blind test. How about the sighted 
 guy doesn't know which adapter he's using, and can he still hear the 
difference? I have some very excellent wired headphones from B and W and 
Audese, and I think they're fine with the lightning adapter. Maybe that's just 
my ears. But I don't trust this guy. Blindfold the sucker and then let's hear 
what he has to say.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 15, 2017, at 6:05 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> CNET News - Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 11:47 AM
> 
> Replace your dubious iPhone 7 headphone dongle with this $40 Lightning
> adapter - CNET
> 
> Let's say you dropped $300-plus on a nice set of wired AKG, Beats,
> Beyerdynamic, Bose, Bowers & Wilkins, Grado, Oppo, Sennheiser or Ultimate
> Ears headphones. Then later, you bought an iPhone 7 and discovered it
> doesn't have a 3.5mm headphone jack onboard. Are you going to toss your
> headphones to get a set of Bluetooth headphones that don't sound as good as
> what you have now? That doesn't make any sense. 
> FiiO's nifty i1 headphone amplifier and digital converter
> FiiO 
> Apple nixed the 3.5mm headphone jack on the iPhone 7, and there's not much
> chance it'll return on iPhone 8, but what are folks with nice wired
> headphones to do? Sure, they could use the Lightning-to-3.5mm adapter which
> comes bundled with the 7, but that's far from an optimal solution. And
> that's not just my opinion, it's one of the poorest-rated products on
> Apple's own site with 209 one- and two-star reviews! Apple customers really
> don't like the adapter.
> Now, with FiiO's nifty i1 headphone amplifier and digital converter, iPhone
> 7 (and presumably iPhone 8) users have a better option. It sells for $39.99
> on Amazon in the US and £49.99 in the UK. (The Australian price hasn't been
> set, but you could expect it to sell for around AU$80.)
> Comparison of Fiio i1 and Apple Lightning Adapter
> Steve Guttenberg/CNET 
> Naturally, we had to compare the two adapters, FiiO and Apple. Starting with
> a Sennheiser Momentum 2.0, the i1's bass definition firmed up compared with
> the Apple Adapter. With "Pink Up" from Spoon's "Hot Thoughts" album, the
> drums and vibes have a lot of reverb, and the i1 sounds clearer than the
> Apple adapter. Not by a huge amount, but the differences are there.
> The changes were more obvious when I plugged in my Beyerdynamic T51p on-ear
> headphones. The Apple adapter sounded muted and dull; the i1 had more life
> and energy.  
> I also tried the i1 with some in-ear headphones, starting with my Ultimate
> Ears UE900, and the sound quality differences were slight. So I'm not all
> that convinced that i1 is a big enough sonic upgrade over the Apple Adapter
> with every headphone. However, the good news is that significantly better
> sound is available from the AudioQuest DragonFly Black ($99, £89, AU$160)
> and DragonFly Red ($199, £169, AU$320) portable headphone amplifiers/digital
> converters that work with iPhones. The catch: they're the size of a USB
> flash drive, so they're bigger and bulkier to carry around than the i1. 
> The i1 cable has a mic and inline controls, but call sound quality was a
> little muffled. There were instances where the i1 didn't play music at
> first, but unplugging and replugging the Lightning connector once or twice
> usually brought the sound back to life. What can I say -- the Lightning plug
> isn't the most reliable connector for audio devices.
> The FiiO i1's 32-inch (81mm) cable was too long, I'd be happier if it was
> half that length, but as it stands, the i1 is a viable alternative for
> iPhone owners who have a decent pair of wired headphones and want something
> a little better than Apple's less-than-stellar Lightning adapter. I'm hoping
> even better adapters will eventually show up, but for now, I'm sticking with
> my iPhone 6S that has a 3.5mm headphone jack and the Lightning connector. 
> 
> Original Article at:
> https://www.cnet.com/news/apples-lightning-headphone-adapter-is-a-dud-fiios-
> i1-is-better/#ftag=CAD590a51e
> 
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Re: Seeing AI app from Microsoft

[Ryan Mann]

You can actually save it if you use the document channel instead of short text.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 15, 2017, at 8:52 PM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
> wrote:
> 
> It is awesome for quick reading.  If you don’t need to save the text, it 
> walks all over KNFB.
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2017, at 6:44 PM, David & his pack of dogs 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> They must work on its accuracy.  It had me 18 years older then I really am 
>> and my wife 6 years older.  I am listed as a 76 years young man with grey 
>> hair and a beard.  I’m greying at the temples but, only 58 years young.  It 
>> is still a good app, though.  Just question its accuracy in facial 
>> recognition. 
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
>> Sent: July 15, 2017 1:29 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Seeing AI app from Microsoft
>>  
>> Hi,
>>  
>> I don't believe that it's available in the UK yet.  Below is pasted from the 
>> description in the Canada Store.
>>  
>> Seeing AI is a free app that narrates the world around you. Designed for the 
>> blind and low vision community, this ongoing research project harnesses the 
>> power of AI to open up the visual world and describe nearby people, text, 
>> and objects. Optimized for use with VoiceOver, the app enables you to 
>> recognize:  •  Short Text - Speaks text as soon as it appears in front of 
>> the camera.  • Documents - Provides audio guidance to capture a 
>> printed page, and recognizes the text, along with its original formatting.  
>> • Products - Scans barcodes, using audio beeps to guide you; hear the name, 
>> and package information when available. (works with iPhone 6 and later) •
>>People - Saves people’s faces so you can recognize them, and get an 
>> estimate of their age, gender, and emotions.  •   Scenes (early preview) 
>> - Hear an overall description of the scene captured.  •  Images in other 
>> apps - Just tap “Share” and “Recognize with Seeing AI” to describe images 
>> from Mail, Photos, Twitter, and more.  Seeing AI is built to help you 
>> achieve more by leveraging the power of the cloud and artificial 
>> intelligence. As the research progresses, more channels may be added.  Visit 
>> http://SeeingAI.com for more details and instructional videos.  Available in 
>> the U.S., Canada, India, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Singapore. Coming soon to 
>> more countries.  Languages supported – English  Supported on iPhone 5C, 5S 
>> and later; best performance with iPhone 6S and later models. Questions, 
>> feedback or feature requests? Email us at seeingai @ microsoft.com.
>>  
>> Later...
>>  
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>  
>> On Jul 15, 2017, at 14:22, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>  
>> I can't find it in the App store in the UK.  Please tell me what you put in 
>> to get it.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>>> On 15 Jul 2017, at 20:55, David & his pack of dogs  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I loaded the app on my IPhone and took a picture of my wife. Being married 
>>> to me has aged her by 6 years, according to the app. It had her age 6 years 
>>> older then she really is.  Well, it is good for a laugh. All joking aside, 
>>> the app works for people shots and does recognize dogs as not people, I 
>>> took a picture of our Husky X.  I would recommend it, and have sent the 
>>> YouTube link to people in Canada and New Zealand.  
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>>> Sent: July 15, 2017 12:22 PM
>>> To: Mark Taylor ; Macvisionaries 
>>> 
>>> Cc: guidingp...@blueyonder.co.uk
>>> Subject: Seeing AI app from Microsoft
>>> 
>>> https://youtu.be/bqeQByqf_f8
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Replace your dubious iPhone 7 headphone dongle with this $40 Lightning adapter - CNET

[M. Taylor]

CNET News - Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 11:47 AM

Replace your dubious iPhone 7 headphone dongle with this $40 Lightning
adapter - CNET

Let's say you dropped $300-plus on a nice set of wired AKG, Beats,
Beyerdynamic, Bose, Bowers & Wilkins, Grado, Oppo, Sennheiser or Ultimate
Ears headphones. Then later, you bought an iPhone 7 and discovered it
doesn't have a 3.5mm headphone jack onboard. Are you going to toss your
headphones to get a set of Bluetooth headphones that don't sound as good as
what you have now? That doesn't make any sense. 
FiiO's nifty i1 headphone amplifier and digital converter
FiiO 
Apple nixed the 3.5mm headphone jack on the iPhone 7, and there's not much
chance it'll return on iPhone 8, but what are folks with nice wired
headphones to do? Sure, they could use the Lightning-to-3.5mm adapter which
comes bundled with the 7, but that's far from an optimal solution. And
that's not just my opinion, it's one of the poorest-rated products on
Apple's own site with 209 one- and two-star reviews! Apple customers really
don't like the adapter.
Now, with FiiO's nifty i1 headphone amplifier and digital converter, iPhone
7 (and presumably iPhone 8) users have a better option. It sells for $39.99
on Amazon in the US and £49.99 in the UK. (The Australian price hasn't been
set, but you could expect it to sell for around AU$80.)
Comparison of Fiio i1 and Apple Lightning Adapter
Steve Guttenberg/CNET 
Naturally, we had to compare the two adapters, FiiO and Apple. Starting with
a Sennheiser Momentum 2.0, the i1's bass definition firmed up compared with
the Apple Adapter. With "Pink Up" from Spoon's "Hot Thoughts" album, the
drums and vibes have a lot of reverb, and the i1 sounds clearer than the
Apple adapter. Not by a huge amount, but the differences are there.
The changes were more obvious when I plugged in my Beyerdynamic T51p on-ear
headphones. The Apple adapter sounded muted and dull; the i1 had more life
and energy.  
I also tried the i1 with some in-ear headphones, starting with my Ultimate
Ears UE900, and the sound quality differences were slight. So I'm not all
that convinced that i1 is a big enough sonic upgrade over the Apple Adapter
with every headphone. However, the good news is that significantly better
sound is available from the AudioQuest DragonFly Black ($99, £89, AU$160)
and DragonFly Red ($199, £169, AU$320) portable headphone amplifiers/digital
converters that work with iPhones. The catch: they're the size of a USB
flash drive, so they're bigger and bulkier to carry around than the i1. 
The i1 cable has a mic and inline controls, but call sound quality was a
little muffled. There were instances where the i1 didn't play music at
first, but unplugging and replugging the Lightning connector once or twice
usually brought the sound back to life. What can I say -- the Lightning plug
isn't the most reliable connector for audio devices.
The FiiO i1's 32-inch (81mm) cable was too long, I'd be happier if it was
half that length, but as it stands, the i1 is a viable alternative for
iPhone owners who have a decent pair of wired headphones and want something
a little better than Apple's less-than-stellar Lightning adapter. I'm hoping
even better adapters will eventually show up, but for now, I'm sticking with
my iPhone 6S that has a 3.5mm headphone jack and the Lightning connector. 

Original Article at:
https://www.cnet.com/news/apples-lightning-headphone-adapter-is-a-dud-fiios-
i1-is-better/#ftag=CAD590a51e


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Re: Seeing AI app from Microsoft

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

It is awesome for quick reading.  If you don’t need to save the text, it walks 
all over KNFB.

> On Jul 15, 2017, at 6:44 PM, David & his pack of dogs 
>  wrote:
> 
> They must work on its accuracy.  It had me 18 years older then I really am 
> and my wife 6 years older.  I am listed as a 76 years young man with grey 
> hair and a beard.  I’m greying at the temples but, only 58 years young.  It 
> is still a good app, though.  Just question its accuracy in facial 
> recognition. 
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
> Sent: July 15, 2017 1:29 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Seeing AI app from Microsoft
>  
> Hi,
>  
> I don't believe that it's available in the UK yet.  Below is pasted from the 
> description in the Canada Store.
>  
> Seeing AI is a free app that narrates the world around you. Designed for the 
> blind and low vision community, this ongoing research project harnesses the 
> power of AI to open up the visual world and describe nearby people, text, and 
> objects. Optimized for use with VoiceOver, the app enables you to recognize:  
> •  Short Text - Speaks text as soon as it appears in front of the camera.  •  
>Documents - Provides audio guidance to capture a printed page, and 
> recognizes the text, along with its original formatting.  • Products - Scans 
> barcodes, using audio beeps to guide you; hear the name, and package 
> information when available. (works with iPhone 6 and later) •   
> People - Saves people’s faces so you can recognize them, and get an estimate 
> of their age, gender, and emotions.  •   Scenes (early preview) - Hear an 
> overall description of the scene captured.  •  Images in other apps - Just 
> tap “Share” and “Recognize with Seeing AI” to describe images from Mail, 
> Photos, Twitter, and more.  Seeing AI is built to help you achieve more by 
> leveraging the power of the cloud and artificial intelligence. As the 
> research progresses, more channels may be added.  Visit http://SeeingAI.com 
>  for more details and instructional videos.  Available 
> in the U.S., Canada, India, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Singapore. Coming soon to 
> more countries.  Languages supported – English  Supported on iPhone 5C, 5S 
> and later; best performance with iPhone 6S and later models. Questions, 
> feedback or feature requests? Email us at seeingai @ microsoft.com 
> .
>  
> Later...
>  
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>  
> On Jul 15, 2017, at 14:22, Kawal Gucukoglu  > wrote:
>  
> I can't find it in the App store in the UK.  Please tell me what you put in 
> to get it.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>> On 15 Jul 2017, at 20:55, David & his pack of dogs > > wrote:
>> 
>> I loaded the app on my IPhone and took a picture of my wife. Being married 
>> to me has aged her by 6 years, according to the app. It had her age 6 years 
>> older then she really is.  Well, it is good for a laugh. All joking aside, 
>> the app works for people shots and does recognize dogs as not people, I took 
>> a picture of our Husky X.  I would recommend it, and have sent the YouTube 
>> link to people in Canada and New Zealand.  
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>> Sent: July 15, 2017 12:22 PM
>> To: Mark Taylor >; Macvisionaries 
>> >
>> Cc: guidingp...@blueyonder.co.uk 
>> Subject: Seeing AI app from Microsoft
>> 
>> https://youtu.be/bqeQByqf_f8 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: A Time Machine question

[Angus MacKinnon]

Tim

Thank you. I am not sure why I can only see a 0KB version of the file and 
nothing  else. Time to bring in a sighted friend that is very familular with 
TimeMachine.

Angus MacKinnon

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RE: Seeing AI app from Microsoft

[David & his pack of dogs]

They must work on its accuracy.  It had me 18 years older then I really am and 
my wife 6 years older.  I am listed as a 76 years young man with grey hair and 
a beard.  I’m greying at the temples but, only 58 years young.  It is still a 
good app, though.  Just question its accuracy in facial recognition.  

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: July 15, 2017 1:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI app from Microsoft

 

Hi,

 

I don't believe that it's available in the UK yet.  Below is pasted from the 
description in the Canada Store.

 

Seeing AI is a free app that narrates the world around you. Designed for the 
blind and low vision community, this ongoing research project harnesses the 
power of AI to open up the visual world and describe nearby people, text, and 
objects. Optimized for use with VoiceOver, the app enables you to recognize:  • 
 Short Text - Speaks text as soon as it appears in front of the camera.  •  
   Documents - Provides audio guidance to capture a printed page, and 
recognizes the text, along with its original formatting.  • Products - Scans 
barcodes, using audio beeps to guide you; hear the name, and package 
information when available. (works with iPhone 6 and later) •   People 
- Saves people’s faces so you can recognize them, and get an estimate of their 
age, gender, and emotions.  •   Scenes (early preview) - Hear an overall 
description of the scene captured.  •  Images in other apps - Just tap “Share” 
and “Recognize with Seeing AI” to describe images from Mail, Photos, Twitter, 
and more.  Seeing AI is built to help you achieve more by leveraging the power 
of the cloud and artificial intelligence. As the research progresses, more 
channels may be added.  Visit http://SeeingAI.com for more details and 
instructional videos.  Available in the U.S., Canada, India, Hong Kong, New 
Zealand, Singapore. Coming soon to more countries.  Languages supported – 
English  Supported on iPhone 5C, 5S and later; best performance with iPhone 6S 
and later models. Questions, feedback or feature requests? Email us at seeingai 
@ microsoft.com  .

 

Later...

 

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada 

 

On Jul 15, 2017, at 14:22, Kawal Gucukoglu  > wrote:

 

I can't find it in the App store in the UK.  Please tell me what you put in to 
get it.

Kawal.



On 15 Jul 2017, at 20:55, David & his pack of dogs  > wrote:

I loaded the app on my IPhone and took a picture of my wife. Being married to 
me has aged her by 6 years, according to the app. It had her age 6 years older 
then she really is.  Well, it is good for a laugh. All joking aside, the app 
works for people shots and does recognize dogs as not people, I took a picture 
of our Husky X.  I would recommend it, and have sent the YouTube link to people 
in Canada and New Zealand.  

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Sent: July 15, 2017 12:22 PM
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Subject: Seeing AI app from Microsoft

https://youtu.be/bqeQByqf_f8


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Re: Lyric Honeywell Thermostat app.

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Thanks for this Kawal.  I've been considering the Lyra, but was unsure of the 
accessibility of their app.  Good to know.

Best.

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 15, 2017, at 14:48, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

Hello.

Just in case if anyone in the UK or other countries were using the old 
Honeywell Total Comfort Thermostat, it has been replaced by the Lyric Honeywell 
Thermostat.

Very accessible and now it is integrated with Apple's home kit.  I prefer this 
one to the last and find both very accessible.

Kawal.

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Lyric Honeywell Thermostat app.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello.

Just in case if anyone in the UK or other countries were using the old 
Honeywell Total Comfort Thermostat, it has been replaced by the Lyric Honeywell 
Thermostat.

Very accessible and now it is integrated with Apple's home kit.  I prefer this 
one to the last and find both very accessible.

Kawal.

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Re: Seeing AI app from Microsoft

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I don't believe that it's available in the UK yet.  Below is pasted from the 
description in the Canada Store.

Seeing AI is a free app that narrates the world around you. Designed for the 
blind and low vision community, this ongoing research project harnesses the 
power of AI to open up the visual world and describe nearby people, text, and 
objects. Optimized for use with VoiceOver, the app enables you to recognize:  • 
 Short Text - Speaks text as soon as it appears in front of the camera.  •  
 Documents - Provides audio guidance to capture a printed page, and recognizes 
the text, along with its original formatting.  •  Products - Scans barcodes, 
using audio beeps to guide you; hear the name, and package information when 
available. (works with iPhone 6 and later) • People - Saves people’s faces 
so you can recognize them, and get an estimate of their age, gender, and 
emotions.  • Scenes (early preview) - Hear an overall description of the 
scene captured.  •  Images in other apps - Just tap “Share” and “Recognize with 
Seeing AI” to describe images from Mail, Photos, Twitter, and more.  Seeing AI 
is built to help you achieve more by leveraging the power of the cloud and 
artificial intelligence. As the research progresses, more channels may be 
added.  Visit http://SeeingAI.com for more details and instructional videos.  
Available in the U.S., Canada, India, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Singapore. Coming 
soon to more countries.  Languages supported – English  Supported on iPhone 5C, 
5S and later; best performance with iPhone 6S and later models. Questions, 
feedback or feature requests? Email us at seeingai @ microsoft.com 
.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 15, 2017, at 14:22, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

I can't find it in the App store in the UK.  Please tell me what you put in to 
get it.

Kawal.
> On 15 Jul 2017, at 20:55, David & his pack of dogs  
> wrote:
> 
> I loaded the app on my IPhone and took a picture of my wife. Being married to 
> me has aged her by 6 years, according to the app. It had her age 6 years 
> older then she really is.  Well, it is good for a laugh. All joking aside, 
> the app works for people shots and does recognize dogs as not people, I took 
> a picture of our Husky X.  I would recommend it, and have sent the YouTube 
> link to people in Canada and New Zealand.  
> 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: July 15, 2017 12:22 PM
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> 
> Cc: guidingp...@blueyonder.co.uk
> Subject: Seeing AI app from Microsoft
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> https://youtu.be/bqeQByqf_f8
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Re: Seeing AI app from Microsoft

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I can't find it in the App store in the UK.  Please tell me what you put in to 
get it.

Kawal.
> On 15 Jul 2017, at 20:55, David & his pack of dogs  
> wrote:
> 
> I loaded the app on my IPhone and took a picture of my wife. Being married to 
> me has aged her by 6 years, according to the app. It had her age 6 years 
> older then she really is.  Well, it is good for a laugh. All joking aside, 
> the app works for people shots and does recognize dogs as not people, I took 
> a picture of our Husky X.  I would recommend it, and have sent the YouTube 
> link to people in Canada and New Zealand.  
> 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: July 15, 2017 12:22 PM
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> Cc: guidingp...@blueyonder.co.uk
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> https://youtu.be/bqeQByqf_f8
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Re: A Time Machine question

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Try this first.

1.  Open the document.
2.  To the File menu and down to Revert to and choose Browse All Versions.
3.  Press VO-f2-f2 to bring up the Window Chooser.
4.  Choose View Browsing Controls.

Any accessible previous revisions through TextEdit should be available.  If the 
date or date range you're hoping to find is not available, then you'll need to 
use the Time Machine recovery steps I outlined in my previous message.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 15, 2017, at 13:27, Angus MacKinnon  wrote:

Jonathan and Tim

Yes pcqrb-Untitled copy.txt was created with Text Edit. I load the current 
document into text Edit. I then bring up Menu Extras and do VO F2 F2 and see 
three choices, Menu Extras, Viewing browwser controls and pcqrb-Untitled 
copy.txt. I click on Viewing Browser Controls and get only July 20 and July 17. 
I have no idea what to do.

Angus MacKinnon

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RE: Seeing AI app from Microsoft

[David & his pack of dogs]

I loaded the app on my IPhone and took a picture of my wife. Being married to 
me has aged her by 6 years, according to the app. It had her age 6 years older 
then she really is.  Well, it is good for a laugh. All joking aside, the app 
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of our Husky X.  I would recommend it, and have sent the YouTube link to people 
in Canada and New Zealand.  

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Sent: July 15, 2017 12:22 PM
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Cc: guidingp...@blueyonder.co.uk
Subject: Seeing AI app from Microsoft

https://youtu.be/bqeQByqf_f8


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Re: A Time Machine question

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Jonathan and Tim

Yes pcqrb-Untitled copy.txt was created with Text Edit. I load the current 
document into text Edit. I then bring up Menu Extras and do VO F2 F2 and see 
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I have no idea what to do.

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Seeing AI app from Microsoft

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RE: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[Matthew Dyer]

Fusion is the best to work with at the moment..  At least that’s what I use on 
my imac with 8 gb of rram with no problem here.
HTH.

Matthew



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Subject: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

Hi all
I want to put Windows 10 on my MBP for very occasional use and because I have a 
quad core i7 with 16 GB RAM, I think it will be fine if I run a virtual machine 
rather than Bootcamp.

Which virtual machine software is most accessible for use with Voiceover and 
easiest to use?

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Re: Outlook 365

[Kevin Chao]

I’ve been using mail.o365 in Mac, Chrome, and VoiceOver–the keyboard
shortcuts and screen reader experience is pretty good.

On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 9:24 AM Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

> When Microsoft updater pops up, it should have a set of radio buttons to
> move you to the insider program. This is Microsoft's equivalent to the
> Apple public beta.
>
>  checkboxes to move to either the
> Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan Cohn
>
>
>
> On Jul 9, 2017, at 4:24 PM, Scott Granados 
> wrote:
>
> Really, I haven’t noticed this short coming and I’m using the stock
> installer from the 365 site.  Do you have a pointer for the beta code?
>
> On Jul 9, 2017, at 4:16 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>
> I would suggest using the preview / beta versions of Office on the
> Macintosh if possible. I found the standard Outlook to be significantly
> more frustrating to use with VoiceOver. The newer versions don't rea the
> blank fields in the table of messages, and very specifically indicate how
> many unread messages are in each thread.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan Cohn
>
>
>
> On Jul 9, 2017, at 4:05 PM, Scott Granados 
> wrote:
>
> I use the outlook client or Apple mail myself.  Outlook is quite good
> although I’m a bit more used to apple mail, outlook is very accessible on
> the Mac.
>
> On Jul 9, 2017, at 3:06 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>
> I use MacOS High Sierra with Voiceover and am now starting to use Outlook
> 365.let ynow o uk
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Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Most of the blind Macintosh community uses VMWare Fusion. There are two other 
readily available VM environments available both of which have some issues with 
accessibility of the settings/configuration screens. They are Virtual Box which 
is free and Parallel. 

The major issue once the VM is started and running, is that Macintosh caps lock 
key does not get transferred to the VM as anything but a toggle, so it can't be 
used as a screen reader key. You can find solutions for that in the archives, 
or just get a full keyboard.

Another option is to use bootcamp. Bootcamps advantages are that your Macintosh 
and Windows environments are essentially isolated with each using its own 
partition, the Windows environment has full access to the power of the system 
and there is no intermediary between you and the Windows environment.

If you don't mind the 20 second shutdown / boot process of changing from 
Windows to Macintosh and you have no need to have a the ability to cut from one 
system and paste in the other, then bootcamp is your best solution.
 


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



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> Hi all
> I want to put Windows 10 on my MBP for very occasional use and because I have 
> a quad core i7 with 16 GB RAM, I think it will be fine if I run a virtual 
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Re: How to click mouse in fusion, jaw 8 doesn't work

[Jonathan Cohn]

Sounds strange, I have a Windows keyboard always attached,  so I don't have to 
resort to the hack of migrating caps lock to a different key. What happens when 
you turn on keyboard help (jaws-1) does jaws-8 say left mouse click?

 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jul 13, 2017, at 8:32 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Hi, so I set this when I first installed Jaws.  The laptop layout is set, my 
> other choices are desktop and kinasis.  (Sorry for the spelling)
> 
> I just checked and confirmed, laptop set.
> 
> Good suggestion though.
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2017, at 12:06 PM, David Griffith > > wrote:
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>> 
> 
>> It sounds like you are still in the default Desktop layout for Jaws.
>> This  may be an obvious point but have you actually told Jaws that you want 
>> to use Laptop Key layout? 
>> Jaws is not clever enough to detect that you are using a laptop  
>> automatically and will keep to default Desktop layout until this is manually 
>> changed.
>> The easiest way to do this is probably by running the Start Up wizard from 
>> the Help menu in Jaws.
>>  
>> David Griffith
>> From: Scott Granados 
>> Sent: 13 July 2017 15:49
>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
>> 
>> Subject: How to click mouse in fusion, jaw 8 doesn't work
>>  
>> Hi, wonder if someone can provide some pointers here.  I’m in voice over 
>> running fusion as usual, JFW is installed, karabiner redefined my ` key as 
>> the jaws key.  Things like jaws k p and r work for example limiting the 
>> cursor or changing the cursor.  When I press jaws key or ` in this case and 
>> 8 it does not click the mouse.  What should be left click comes up with jaw 
>> manager and 9 which should be right click comes up with a frame manager.  
>> How can I make this click specifically right click?  The JFW documentation 
>> confirms in laptop keyboard mode the jaws 8 should work but they refer to 
>> caps lock which I rerouted to ` with karabiner.  Any ideas what I’m doing 
>> wrong?
>>  
>> Thanks
>> Scott
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Re: Outlook 365

[Jonathan Cohn]

When Microsoft updater pops up, it should have a set of radio buttons to move 
you to the insider program. This is Microsoft's equivalent to the Apple public 
beta.

 checkboxes to move to either the 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jul 9, 2017, at 4:24 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Really, I haven’t noticed this short coming and I’m using the stock installer 
> from the 365 site.  Do you have a pointer for the beta code?
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2017, at 4:16 PM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
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>> I would suggest using the preview / beta versions of Office on the Macintosh 
>> if possible. I found the standard Outlook to be significantly more 
>> frustrating to use with VoiceOver. The newer versions don't rea the blank 
>> fields in the table of messages, and very specifically indicate how many 
>> unread messages are in each thread.
>>  
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2017, at 4:05 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I use the outlook client or Apple mail myself.  Outlook is quite good 
>>> although I’m a bit more used to apple mail, outlook is very accessible on 
>>> the Mac.
>>> 
 On Jul 9, 2017, at 3:06 PM, Kevin Chao > wrote:
 
 I use MacOS High Sierra with Voiceover and am now starting to use Outlook 
 365.let ynow o uk
 
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Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[Nickus de Vos]

Hi all
I want to put Windows 10 on my MBP for very occasional use and because I have a 
quad core i7 with 16 GB RAM, I think it will be fine if I run a virtual machine 
rather than Bootcamp.

Which virtual machine software is most accessible for use with Voiceover and 
easiest to use?

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RE: Editing from an IPhone?

[David & his pack of dogs]

I have seen the share icon on my IPhone when looking at a website and I want to 
make a shortcut to a link.  But, never thought it could be used for sharing 
videos. All this is new to me and I am stuck in the middle.  As the visually 
challenged people I know, don’t do video, their sighted friends do it for them, 
and the sighted, would rather do it for me as V O or any windows screen reader 
is too foreign to them and they can’t be bothered or don’t know how to teach 
me.

 

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Subject: Re: Editing from an IPhone?

 

I have no idea on a Windows platform. On a new macintosh, when you log your 
iPhone into the computer both iTunes and Photos applicationsopen  and photos 
get transferred to the photo app and ApPs, ringtones, music and movies get 
transferred to iTunes.  There is also the possibility that your movies are 
saved onto iCloud, which you can get a Windows plugin for, that would act 
similar to dropbox. For that matter dropbox google and Microsoft have drive 
apps for the iPhone. Generally if you have one of these apps, and click on the 
share button in another app it allows you to push that item to your network 
drive.

 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



 

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I want to edit videos from my IPhone 6S plus onto a big screen TV, pluging the 
IPhone into a windows computer.  Can it be done?  So far in my limited 
knowledge, I think the IPhone only uploads the pictures and videos to I—tunes.  
I have no idea how to or even if, I-tunes could be used to edit videos.  If so, 
how? Also, would the Apple 4th generation 64 or 32 g T V, work better?   

 

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Re: Editing from an IPhone?

[Jonathan Cohn]

I have no idea on a Windows platform. On a new macintosh, when you log your 
iPhone into the computer both iTunes and Photos applicationsopen  and photos 
get transferred to the photo app and ApPs, ringtones, music and movies get 
transferred to iTunes.  There is also the possibility that your movies are 
saved onto iCloud, which you can get a Windows plugin for, that would act 
similar to dropbox. For that matter dropbox google and Microsoft have drive 
apps for the iPhone. Generally if you have one of these apps, and click on the 
share button in another app it allows you to push that item to your network 
drive.
 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



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> knowledge, I think the IPhone only uploads the pictures and videos to 
> I—tunes.  I have no idea how to or even if, I-tunes could be used to edit 
> videos.  If so, how? Also, would the Apple 4th generation 64 or 32 g T V, 
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Voice dream reader and reading in braille

[Mary Otten]

Hi all,
For those of you who use the VDR with a braille display, can you comment on the 
fluidity of reading? I know it's great with speech, you just hit the play 
button and it plays. Seamless reading. How about with braille? I assume you 
can't hit play, but would have to rely on voiceover instead. And that would 
mean that you would have to interact with the touch screen to flip pages. 
Correct?
Mary


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Re: A Time Machine question

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

As Jonathan mentioned, if you created and edited this document using TextEdit, 
then previous edits are saved within TextEdit itself.  You can look back 
through those archived versions to find the version you're looking for.  If 
that doesn't work, the easiest thing to do would be to locate the file you're 
wishing to recover, or at least locate the folder where it used to reside.  
Next, go up to the Extras menu and open the Time Machine menu, choose Enter 
Time Machine.  Press VO-f2-f2 to bring up the Window Chooser and select the 
Time Machine Controls window.  In this window, you can select the date you 
desire, then wait a few seconds as the OS locates and builds the backup for 
use, press VO-f2-f2 again and choose the window that is not the Time Machine 
Controls one.  Your file should be there at the given revision date.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 15, 2017, at 08:39, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

You might not even need to use time machine if the file is still present in 
your system. Was the file edited using textedit? If so, then there should be a 
mini-time machine interface in the editing window.

If not, then instructions for using time machine have been given before on 
list. I personally have never tried this. The couple of times I needed to pull 
something from time machine when I was not migrating to a new system, I used 
the finder and scanned the backup disk to the backup directory to the system to 
the date or something close to that.

I believe there is a way to go into menu extras, activate time machine, and 
then use a scroll bar to pick a date.

Good luck!
Jonathan Cohn



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> Can OS 10.11.66’s Time Machine be used to recover ?pcqrb-Untitled copy.txt? 
> with a date of June 20, 2017? If so, what do I type? Thank you.
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Re: A Time Machine question

[Jonathan Cohn]

You might not even need to use time machine if the file is still present in 
your system. Was the file edited using textedit? If so, then there should be a 
mini-time machine interface in the editing window.

If not, then instructions for using time machine have been given before on 
list. I personally have never tried this. The couple of times I needed to pull 
something from time machine when I was not migrating to a new system, I used 
the finder and scanned the backup disk to the backup directory to the system to 
the date or something close to that.

I believe there is a way to go into menu extras, activate time machine, and 
then use a scroll bar to pick a date.

Good luck!
Jonathan Cohn



> On Jul 15, 2017, at 1:21 AM, Angus MacKinnon  wrote:
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> Can OS 10.11.66’s Time Machine be used to recover ?pcqrb-Untitled copy.txt? 
> with a date of June 20, 2017? If so, what do I type? Thank you.
> 
> Angus MacKinnon
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Re: How to update a brailliant 32 if you have a Mac

[Mary Otten]

 My ridiculously old pc actually work for this. I was sure it would not. But it 
did. Enjoying Kindle books on the fire hd 8in braille now.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 15, 2017, at 6:04 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> I would do this buy running windows under fusion but seems like a lot of work 
> for little gain.
> 
>> On Jul 14, 2017, at 5:28 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
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>> You can't. Has to be done with Windows.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 12:17 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; mac4thebl...@freelists.org
>> Subject: How to update a brailliant 32 if you have a Mac
>> 
>> I guess the subject line says it all. The tool that humanware put out is for 
>> a PC. So if you want your  displayed to have the latest firmware and you 
>> have an iPhone or Mac, how do you make that happen? I have looked on their 
>> site to no avail.
>> Mary
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Re: How to update a brailliant 32 if you have a Mac

[Scott Granados]

I would do this buy running windows under fusion but seems like a lot of work 
for little gain.

> On Jul 14, 2017, at 5:28 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
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> You can't. Has to be done with Windows.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: How to update a brailliant 32 if you have a Mac
> 
> I guess the subject line says it all. The tool that humanware put out is for 
> a PC. So if you want your  displayed to have the latest firmware and you have 
> an iPhone or Mac, how do you make that happen? I have looked on their site to 
> no avail.
> Mary
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