RE: it's here, the X

[M. Taylor]

Great Report, Simon.

I look forward to your next one, especially your Face ID experience.  

Yes, the phone is surprisingly slim when compared to iPhone 8 Plus.

Based on your statement, may we assume that you are using a pass code to unlock 
your 10? or are you, "going commando", (big smile) with no password protection 
whatsoever.  (smile)

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 9:32 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: it's here, the X

Hi Mark,

 Well I have to admit that I didn't get it until 5:30pm lastnight so when I got 
to the setting up face id section I skipped it as the light was getting low and 
it seemed I couldn’t' look directly at the screen.

 So I'll leave that until the weekend and set it up then.

Interesting the using the device without a home button but it's not that 
difficult once you get use to the slide up the screen.

 What I really have noticed is its speed and simple quickness when performing a 
task on screen.

 And I am very surprised by the size, 
I thought it would be larger than it is.

 After using a 7+ I'm inclined to think it's even sdmaller than the 7 or 8, yet 
I believe it's slightly larger.

 Still a lot of working things out before I really get use to it.


More to report as things move forward.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, 16 November 2017 6:03 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: it's here, the X

Hello Simon.

Your post made me smile.  

Congratulations on your iPhone 10.  I’m not certain but, so far, I believe you 
and Cliff are the only two who have received the unit.  I know several other 
people on the list are expecting theirs, any day now.

I have no doubt but that you will continue to love the device.  

What do you think of Face ID, so far?  

Also, please keep us informed on your Apple Pay experiences with Face ID, okay? 
 

Mark


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 2:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: it's here, the X

Hi List,

So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my iPhone X had 
arrived,

And quite frankly it’s like being on a first date,

I’m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do something wrong,

I will say that setting up the device out of the box and using iCloud backups  
doesn’t work when your back ups are on IOS Public beta versions, and the new 
device was IOS 11 production release…

A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back to the factory start point 
and run through without an issue 

So far after playing around for an hour or so, I’m actually really impressed 
with what they have done,

Once you get passed the fact there is no home button it’s actually easy to work 
with the slide finger up to get the app switcher and home screens.

The device is very quick, and although smaller physically it’s stil got great 
screen realestate to work with,

So I’d say so far it’s been worth the wait but still more playing around to 
come over the next couple of days 

At least the iPhone x doesn’t slap me if I put my hand in the wrong place.
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RE: Stopping mail

[M. Taylor]

Hello Angus,

I will contact you, off-list.

Mark


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On Behalf Of Angus MacKinnon
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 6:35 PM
To: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
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Mark

I do not understand what is happening. All I seem to get are archives. I do not 
have time to figure out what is happeninng. Can I do this by email? Or 
unsubscribe and resubscribe when I return?

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RE: Looking for a Lightning, Female, to USB, Thunderbolt, and/or 3.5mm, Male, Adapter

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mark,

 Great question and I've asked the same thing a number of times.

 I must admit I didn't think of the lightening to USB but this doesn't seem to 
be available either.

 I've tried ali express as well as a number of Kiwi providers but still nothing 
 found.

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Subject: Looking for a Lightning, Female, to USB, Thunderbolt, and/or 3.5mm, 
Male, Adapter

Hello Everyone,

You know, I would like to be able to use my Apple Earpods headset on a 
non-lightning enabled device such as a PC, my current MacBook Pro, and/or in an 
automobile audio system.

In order to do this, I am searching for a female lightning to either a 3.5mm, 
male, Thunderbolt, male, and/or USB, male, adapter.  

Try as I may, I cannot seem to locate any on the web.  

I have gone to two different Apple Stores and no one in either of them are 
aware of any such adapters.

They must, however, exist, right?  

Remember, the key here is that the adapter must be a Lightning female to a 
non-Lightning male device.

If you know from where I can purchase any or all of these three types of 
adapters, please let me know.

Thank you,

Mark

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RE: it's here, the X

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Alex,

Yeah I still find it odd but I really have to say it's not as bad as people 
might think,

 For a start it was crap as I couldn't get it to work for me.

 Now although it's only been 24 hours I've pretty much got it 

 It's a case of tap on the screen to wake the device then slide firmly one 
finger up from the botton edge of the screen until you feel a vibration under 
finger and then it will have woken enough to either enter the pin code or use 
face id.

 Still as I haven't yet setup face id  yet so that's a weekend job as the light 
wasn't in my favour lastnight.

Still lots more hopefully to come on the x.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Thursday, 16 November 2017 6:27 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: it's here, the X

My main question for blind iPhone X users is about the home button. I've seen 
some real negativity on Twitter about the decision to remove the home button, 
but have not come across any such negativity in the real world. How do users 
like the change? The Touch Bar on the MacBook, for instance, is plenty usable 
but often less efficient than physical keys are. Or is it more like the 
two-finger gesture on iPad under iOS11, which makes accessing apps faster and 
more fluid, at least to me? Or is it something else entirely?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:12, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Microsoft is in another dimension. I did forget OS X 10.9 which was 
> Mavericks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, 
> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off  
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 11/15/2017 8:39 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
>> Yes, that’s true. Different reasons for Microsoft, I think, but same result. 
>> But your points are valid.
>> Devin Prater
>> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, 
>> Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World Services for the Blind
>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:37 AM, E.T. >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Don't think so. Remember, this IS the 10th anniversary of the iPhone. 
>>> Also remember, Apple did not skip iOS 9.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the 
>>> world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your 
>>> mind off  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>> 
 On 11/15/2017 8:33 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
 My guess is that technology companies don’t like the number nine. Ten is 
 just too exciting to wait for. Microsoft did this too.
 Devin Prater
 Assistive Technology Instructor in Training JAWS, Microsoft 
 Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World Services 
 for the Blind
> On Nov 15, 2017, at 7:19 AM, Sharon Hooley  > wrote:
> 
> I wonder why Apple released iPhone 8 and then jumped to ten soon after?
> 
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:11 AM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>> So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my 
>> iPhone X had arrived, And quite frankly it’s like being on a 
>> first date, I’m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do 
>> something wrong, I will say that setting up the device out of the 
>> box and using iCloud backups  doesn’t work when your back ups are 
>> on IOS Public beta versions, and the new device was IOS 11 
>> production release… A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back 
>> to the factory start point and run through without an issue So far after 
>> playing around for an hour or so, I’m actually really impressed with 
>> what they have done, Once you get passed the fact there is no home 
>> button it’s actually easy to work with the slide finger up to get the 
>> app switcher and home screens.
>> The device is very quick, and although smaller physically it’s 
>> stil got great screen realestate to work with, So I’d say so far 
>> it’s been worth the wait but still more playing around to come over the 
>> next couple of days At least the iPhone x doesn’t slap me if I put my 
>> hand in the wrong place.
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RE: it's here, the X

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mark,

 Well I have to admit that I didn't get it until 5:30pm lastnight so when I got 
to the setting up face id section I skipped it as the light was getting low and 
it seemed I couldn’t' look directly at the screen.

 So I'll leave that until the weekend and set it up then.

Interesting the using the device without a home button but it's not that 
difficult once you get use to the slide up the screen.

 What I really have noticed is its speed and simple quickness when performing a 
task on screen.

 And I am very surprised by the size, 
I thought it would be larger than it is.

 After using a 7+ I'm inclined to think it's even sdmaller than the 7 or 8, yet 
I believe it's slightly larger.

 Still a lot of working things out before I really get use to it.


More to report as things move forward.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, 16 November 2017 6:03 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: it's here, the X

Hello Simon.

Your post made me smile.  

Congratulations on your iPhone 10.  I’m not certain but, so far, I believe you 
and Cliff are the only two who have received the unit.  I know several other 
people on the list are expecting theirs, any day now.

I have no doubt but that you will continue to love the device.  

What do you think of Face ID, so far?  

Also, please keep us informed on your Apple Pay experiences with Face ID, okay? 
 

Mark


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 2:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: it's here, the X

Hi List,

So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my iPhone X had 
arrived,

And quite frankly it’s like being on a first date,

I’m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do something wrong,

I will say that setting up the device out of the box and using iCloud backups  
doesn’t work when your back ups are on IOS Public beta versions, and the new 
device was IOS 11 production release…

A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back to the factory start point 
and run through without an issue 

So far after playing around for an hour or so, I’m actually really impressed 
with what they have done,

Once you get passed the fact there is no home button it’s actually easy to work 
with the slide finger up to get the app switcher and home screens.

The device is very quick, and although smaller physically it’s stil got great 
screen realestate to work with,

So I’d say so far it’s been worth the wait but still more playing around to 
come over the next couple of days 

At least the iPhone x doesn’t slap me if I put my hand in the wrong place.
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RE: it's here, the X

[Simon Fogarty]

iPhone X is the tenth anniversary release of the iphone,

the 8 range was meant as the yearly release of the device.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Sharon Hooley
Sent: Thursday, 16 November 2017 2:20 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: it's here, the X

I wonder why Apple released iPhone 8 and then jumped to ten soon after?


On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:11 AM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi List,

So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my iPhone X had 
arrived,

And quite frankly it’s like being on a first date,

I’m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do something wrong,

I will say that setting up the device out of the box and using iCloud backups  
doesn’t work when your back ups are on IOS Public beta versions, and the new 
device was IOS 11 production release…

A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back to the factory start point 
and run through without an issue

So far after playing around for an hour or so, I’m actually really impressed 
with what they have done,

Once you get passed the fact there is no home button it’s actually easy to work 
with the slide finger up to get the app switcher and home screens.

The device is very quick, and although smaller physically it’s stil got great 
screen realestate to work with,

So I’d say so far it’s been worth the wait but still more playing around to 
come over the next couple of days

At least the iPhone x doesn’t slap me if I put my hand in the wrong place.

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RE: Dns and vpn on mac server.

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Anders,

 I'd like to know also how you get on with the vpn as I'm trying to setup vpn 
myself 
I'm using sierra server which I believe is the best way to do the job but still 
can't get it working 
So interested to hear how you get on.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Wednesday, 15 November 2017 10:07 AM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Dns and vpn on mac server.

Hi Tim!
I don’t know how often they refresh the IP address here but this can be lookt 
at.
The cable modem has a firewall but i have turned that off and using my airport 
express as a firewall.
I will check up how to acomplish the vpn.
I am very very new to this but its intresting so not a problem.
/A

> 14 nov. 2017 kl. 21:34 skrev Tim Kilburn :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> It depends on how often the dynamic is applied.  If they change your IP 
> often, then your going to need to come up with a plan to either keep changing 
> your IP in the VPN reference, or subscribe to a host service that can account 
> for the constant changes.  My dynamic IP doesn't change often at all, so I 
> just change the reference when needed.  Regarding the firewall, it's real 
> easy within Airport Utility to add the VPN port references in the Network tab 
> under Port Settings.  You may run into a barrier though if the cable modem 
> has any firewall or such security on it.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 14, 2017, at 12:25, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I think my isp has a dynamic dns set up for me.
> I have a firewall set up from my airport express which is connected to the 
> cable modem/router which is in bridge mode.
> If i set up a vpn in mac server do i have to think of something special or is 
> it just streight forward?
> Thanks.
> /A
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Re: Stopping mail

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Mark

I do not understand what is happening. All I seem to get are archives. I do not 
have time to figure out what is happeninng. Can I do this by email? Or 
unsubscribe and resubscribe when I return?

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RE: Stopping mail

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I am going on Vacation from November 16 until November 29. How do I stop email 
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iPhone X and 8 get faster wireless charging with iOS 11.2 - CNET

[M. Taylor]

CNET News - Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 2:01 PM
iPhone X and 8 get faster wireless charging with iOS 11.2 - CNET
 
The new iPhone 8, 8 Plus and X all come with wireless charging.
James Martin/CNET 
Apple's latest iOS update makes wireless charging on the iPhone 8, iPhone 8
Plus and iPhone X 50 percent faster. 
Currently the three iPhones wirelessly charge at a rate of 5 watts, but the
iOS 11.2 update allows them to charge at a rate of 7.5w, which is a 50
percent increase. The charging update was spotted and tested out by
MacRumors.
Although wireless charging is new to the iPhone, it's been around on Android
devices for several years. iPhones use the Qi wireless charging standard,
which maxes out at a rate of 15w. Samsung's Galaxy Note 8, for example,
supports 15-watt fast wireless charging.
You won't need to buy a new charger to take advantage of faster speeds. The
Mophie and Belkin wireless chargers that Apple sells are already capable of
delivering 7.5w of power. Apple has said on the chargers' listings since
their releases that it will enable "fast wireless charging" with a later
software update -- it's likely that iOS 11.2 is that update.
 
Now Playing: Watch this: AirPower: Apple's charge-everything tech 
1:07 
Apple is also planning on releasing its own wireless charging mat, AirPower,
that's designed to charge multiple Apple products at once. It isn't clear if
AirPower would use the faster charging speeds.
To push those charging speeds, the iPhone X, 8 and 8 Plus will charge even
faster with a USB-C to Lightning cable setup. The configuration requires
buying a handful of accessories, but it can reach top charging speeds if you
don't mind the wires. If you want to stay wireless, you're stuck at 7.5w for
now.
Apple didn't respond to a request for comment on this story.
Does the Mac still matter? Apple execs explain why the MacBook Pro was over
four years in the making, and why we should care.
CNET Magazine: Check out a sample of the stories in CNET's newsstand
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Stopping mail

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Re: it's here, the X

[Kliphton Miller]

the no home button is fine.  Like simon said, once you get use to it it’s fine. 
 You place your finger, start sliding up, the first feedback you get is to 
close the app or folder, if you keep going you get the app switcher.  I think 
it will come down to personal preference, I like the no home button, but a lot 
of sited useres like the 8 because it still has it.  I have also learned you 
can still get to notifications and the control center the exact same way.  This 
one is hit or miss, but sometimes when I am in a folder, I just place my finger 
at the bottom of the screen, and press down a bit and the folder closes for me. 
 Not every time, but about 45 percent of the time.
> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> My main question for blind iPhone X users is about the home button. I've seen 
> some real negativity on Twitter about the decision to remove the home button, 
> but have not come across any such negativity in the real world. How do users 
> like the change? The Touch Bar on the MacBook, for instance, is plenty usable 
> but often less efficient than physical keys are. Or is it more like the 
> two-finger gesture on iPad under iOS11, which makes accessing apps faster and 
> more fluid, at least to me? Or is it something else entirely?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:12, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  Microsoft is in another dimension. I did forget OS X 10.9 which was 
>> Mavericks.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 11/15/2017 8:39 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
>>> Yes, that’s true. Different reasons for Microsoft, I think, but same 
>>> result. But your points are valid.
>>> Devin Prater
>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
>>> JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World 
>>> Services for the Blind
 On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:37 AM, E.T. >>> > wrote:
 
  Don't think so. Remember, this IS the 10th anniversary of the iPhone. 
 Also remember, Apple did not skip iOS 9.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
 
> On 11/15/2017 8:33 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
> My guess is that technology companies don’t like the number nine. Ten is 
> just too exciting to wait for. Microsoft did this too.
> Devin Prater
> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
> JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World 
> Services for the Blind
>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 7:19 AM, Sharon Hooley > > wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder why Apple released iPhone 8 and then jumped to ten soon after?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:11 AM, Simon Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi List,
>>> So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my iPhone 
>>> X had arrived,
>>> And quite frankly it’s like being on a first date,
>>> I’m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do something wrong,
>>> I will say that setting up the device out of the box and using iCloud 
>>> backups  doesn’t work when your back ups are on IOS Public beta 
>>> versions, and the new device was IOS 11 production release…
>>> A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back to the factory 
>>> start point and run through without an issue
>>> So far after playing around for an hour or so, I’m actually really 
>>> impressed with what they have done,
>>> Once you get passed the fact there is no home button it’s actually easy 
>>> to work with the slide finger up to get the app switcher and home 
>>> screens.
>>> The device is very quick, and although smaller physically it’s stil got 
>>> great screen realestate to work with,
>>> So I’d say so far it’s been worth the wait but still more playing 
>>> around to come over the next couple of days
>>> At least the iPhone x doesn’t slap me if I put my hand in the wrong 
>>> place.
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Looking for a Lightning, Female, to USB, Thunderbolt, and/or 3.5mm, Male, Adapter

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

You know, I would like to be able to use my Apple Earpods headset on a
non-lightning enabled device such as a PC, my current MacBook Pro, and/or in
an automobile audio system.

In order to do this, I am searching for a female lightning to either a
3.5mm, male, Thunderbolt, male, and/or USB, male, adapter.  

Try as I may, I cannot seem to locate any on the web.  

I have gone to two different Apple Stores and no one in either of them are
aware of any such adapters.

They must, however, exist, right?  

Remember, the key here is that the adapter must be a Lightning female to a
non-Lightning male device.

If you know from where I can purchase any or all of these three types of
adapters, please let me know.

Thank you,

Mark

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Re: it's here, the X

[Alex Hall]

My main question for blind iPhone X users is about the home button. I've seen 
some real negativity on Twitter about the decision to remove the home button, 
but have not come across any such negativity in the real world. How do users 
like the change? The Touch Bar on the MacBook, for instance, is plenty usable 
but often less efficient than physical keys are. Or is it more like the 
two-finger gesture on iPad under iOS11, which makes accessing apps faster and 
more fluid, at least to me? Or is it something else entirely?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:12, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Microsoft is in another dimension. I did forget OS X 10.9 which was 
> Mavericks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 11/15/2017 8:39 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
>> Yes, that’s true. Different reasons for Microsoft, I think, but same result. 
>> But your points are valid.
>> Devin Prater
>> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
>> JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World 
>> Services for the Blind
>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:37 AM, E.T. >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Don't think so. Remember, this IS the 10th anniversary of the iPhone. 
>>> Also remember, Apple did not skip iOS 9.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>> 
 On 11/15/2017 8:33 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
 My guess is that technology companies don’t like the number nine. Ten is 
 just too exciting to wait for. Microsoft did this too.
 Devin Prater
 Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
 JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World 
 Services for the Blind
> On Nov 15, 2017, at 7:19 AM, Sharon Hooley  > wrote:
> 
> I wonder why Apple released iPhone 8 and then jumped to ten soon after?
> 
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:11 AM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>> So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my iPhone 
>> X had arrived,
>> And quite frankly it’s like being on a first date,
>> I’m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do something wrong,
>> I will say that setting up the device out of the box and using iCloud 
>> backups  doesn’t work when your back ups are on IOS Public beta 
>> versions, and the new device was IOS 11 production release…
>> A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back to the factory 
>> start point and run through without an issue
>> So far after playing around for an hour or so, I’m actually really 
>> impressed with what they have done,
>> Once you get passed the fact there is no home button it’s actually easy 
>> to work with the slide finger up to get the app switcher and home 
>> screens.
>> The device is very quick, and although smaller physically it’s stil got 
>> great screen realestate to work with,
>> So I’d say so far it’s been worth the wait but still more playing around 
>> to come over the next couple of days
>> At least the iPhone x doesn’t slap me if I put my hand in the wrong 
>> place.
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Re: it's here, the X

[E.T.]

   Microsoft is in another dimension. I did forget OS X 10.9 which was 
Mavericks.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 11/15/2017 8:39 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
Yes, that’s true. Different reasons for Microsoft, I think, but same 
result. But your points are valid.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified 
by World Services for the Blind




On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:37 AM, E.T. > wrote:


  Don't think so. Remember, this IS the 10th anniversary of the 
iPhone. Also remember, Apple did not skip iOS 9.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 

On 11/15/2017 8:33 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
My guess is that technology companies don’t like the number nine. Ten 
is just too exciting to wait for. Microsoft did this too.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified 
by World Services for the Blind
On Nov 15, 2017, at 7:19 AM, Sharon Hooley > wrote:


I wonder why Apple released iPhone 8 and then jumped to ten soon after?


On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:11 AM, Simon Fogarty > wrote:


Hi List,
So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my 
iPhone X had arrived,

And quite frankly it’s like being on a first date,
I’m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do something wrong,
I will say that setting up the device out of the box and using 
iCloud backups  doesn’t work when your back ups are on IOS Public 
beta versions, and the new device was IOS 11 production release…
A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back to the factory 
start point and run through without an issue
So far after playing around for an hour or so, I’m actually really 
impressed with what they have done,
Once you get passed the fact there is no home button it’s actually 
easy to work with the slide finger up to get the app switcher and 
home screens.
The device is very quick, and although smaller physically it’s stil 
got great screen realestate to work with,
So I’d say so far it’s been worth the wait but still more playing 
around to come over the next couple of days
At least the iPhone x doesn’t slap me if I put my hand in the wrong 
place.


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RE: it's here, the X

[M. Taylor]

Hello Simon.

Your post made me smile.  

Congratulations on your iPhone 10.  I’m not certain but, so far, I believe you 
and Cliff are the only two who have received the unit.  I know several other 
people on the list are expecting theirs, any day now.

I have no doubt but that you will continue to love the device.  

What do you think of Face ID, so far?  

Also, please keep us informed on your Apple Pay experiences with Face ID, okay? 
 

Mark


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 2:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: it's here, the X

Hi List,

So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my iPhone X had 
arrived,

And quite frankly it’s like being on a first date,

I’m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do something wrong,

I will say that setting up the device out of the box and using iCloud backups  
doesn’t work when your back ups are on IOS Public beta versions, and the new 
device was IOS 11 production release…

A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back to the factory start point 
and run through without an issue 

So far after playing around for an hour or so, I’m actually really impressed 
with what they have done,

Once you get passed the fact there is no home button it’s actually easy to work 
with the slide finger up to get the app switcher and home screens.

The device is very quick, and although smaller physically it’s stil got great 
screen realestate to work with,

So I’d say so far it’s been worth the wait but still more playing around to 
come over the next couple of days 

At least the iPhone x doesn’t slap me if I put my hand in the wrong place.
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A Quick Tip for Low Vision iOS 11 Users

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

If you're like me, you may find it much easier to read/see white text on a
black background.  This also holds true for distinguishing the icons on the
iOS launch pad.  This is to say, it's easier to see the icons when placed on
a dark or black, solid, background.  

For many years, I have been lobbying Apple to include a solid black
background image in its native wallpaper collection.  

In iOS 11, they have finally answered the call by including that long
awaited black background image in the wallpaper area.  

Check it out and give it a try.  

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Re: it's here, the X

[Devin Prater]

Yes, that’s true. Different reasons for Microsoft, I think, but same result. 
But your points are valid.
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> On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:37 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Don't think so. Remember, this IS the 10th anniversary of the iPhone. Also 
> remember, Apple did not skip iOS 9.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
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> On 11/15/2017 8:33 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
>> My guess is that technology companies don’t like the number nine. Ten is 
>> just too exciting to wait for. Microsoft did this too.
>> Devin Prater
>> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
>> JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World 
>> Services for the Blind
>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 7:19 AM, Sharon Hooley >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wonder why Apple released iPhone 8 and then jumped to ten soon after?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:11 AM, Simon Fogarty >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi List,
 So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my iPhone X 
 had arrived,
 And quite frankly it’s like being on a first date,
 I’m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do something wrong,
 I will say that setting up the device out of the box and using iCloud 
 backups  doesn’t work when your back ups are on IOS Public beta versions, 
 and the new device was IOS 11 production release…
 A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back to the factory start 
 point and run through without an issue
 So far after playing around for an hour or so, I’m actually really 
 impressed with what they have done,
 Once you get passed the fact there is no home button it’s actually easy to 
 work with the slide finger up to get the app switcher and home screens.
 The device is very quick, and although smaller physically it’s stil got 
 great screen realestate to work with,
 So I’d say so far it’s been worth the wait but still more playing around 
 to come over the next couple of days
 At least the iPhone x doesn’t slap me if I put my hand in the wrong place.
 
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Re: it's here, the X

[E.T.]

   Don't think so. Remember, this IS the 10th anniversary of the 
iPhone. Also remember, Apple did not skip iOS 9.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 11/15/2017 8:33 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
My guess is that technology companies don’t like the number nine. Ten is 
just too exciting to wait for. Microsoft did this too.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified 
by World Services for the Blind




On Nov 15, 2017, at 7:19 AM, Sharon Hooley > wrote:


I wonder why Apple released iPhone 8 and then jumped to ten soon after?


On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:11 AM, Simon Fogarty > wrote:


Hi List,
So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my 
iPhone X had arrived,

And quite frankly it’s like being on a first date,
I’m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do something wrong,
I will say that setting up the device out of the box and using iCloud 
backups  doesn’t work when your back ups are on IOS Public beta 
versions, and the new device was IOS 11 production release…
A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back to the factory 
start point and run through without an issue
So far after playing around for an hour or so, I’m actually really 
impressed with what they have done,
Once you get passed the fact there is no home button it’s actually 
easy to work with the slide finger up to get the app switcher and 
home screens.
The device is very quick, and although smaller physically it’s stil 
got great screen realestate to work with,
So I’d say so far it’s been worth the wait but still more playing 
around to come over the next couple of days
At least the iPhone x doesn’t slap me if I put my hand in the wrong 
place.


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Re: it's here, the X

[Devin Prater]

My guess is that technology companies don’t like the number nine. Ten is just 
too exciting to wait for. Microsoft did this too.
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> On Nov 15, 2017, at 7:19 AM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
> 
> I wonder why Apple released iPhone 8 and then jumped to ten soon after?
> 
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:11 AM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>>  
>> So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my iPhone X 
>> had arrived,
>>  
>> And quite frankly it’s like being on a first date,
>>  
>> I’m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do something wrong,
>>  
>> I will say that setting up the device out of the box and using iCloud 
>> backups  doesn’t work when your back ups are on IOS Public beta versions, 
>> and the new device was IOS 11 production release…
>>  
>> A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back to the factory start 
>> point and run through without an issue
>>  
>> So far after playing around for an hour or so, I’m actually really impressed 
>> with what they have done,
>>  
>> Once you get passed the fact there is no home button it’s actually easy to 
>> work with the slide finger up to get the app switcher and home screens.
>>  
>> The device is very quick, and although smaller physically it’s stil got 
>> great screen realestate to work with,
>>  
>> So I’d say so far it’s been worth the wait but still more playing around to 
>> come over the next couple of days
>>  
>> At least the iPhone x doesn’t slap me if I put my hand in the wrong place.
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Re: This simple hack using aluminium foil could improve your home Wi-Fi

[sandi sørensen]

There is a better hack, get a router with better broadcast...

Sandie


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> On 14 Nov 2017, at 17.21, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> HAHAHAH.
> took them long enough to catch up to where us real hardware hackers (ham 
> radio operators) have long since been. :)
> 
> -eric
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2017, at 7:37 AM, dan d. wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I do this to good effect.  Read the article link below for why it works.
>> 
>> Place the foil a few inches away from the wifi antenna oppisite the 
>> direction you wish to direct and increase the signal.
>> 
>> If possible, put the antenna in a corner with the foil on both sides behind 
>> it in a v shape for the strongest signal.  away from the corner.
>> 
>> Put it under the antenna if you want it to be directed upward to another 
>> floor.
>> 
>> Experiment for best results.
>> 
>> http://www.sciencealert.com/simple-hack-aluminium-foil-improve-home-wi-fi-wireless-signals
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Re: Fully Accessible Torrent Client (details inside)

[Erik Burggraaf]

This used to be accessible via the control click menu in the files tab.  
Are you saying they removed the option?  That would be very annoying.  It's 
been over a year since I used it, so maybe things have changed.


Best,

Erik


On November 14, 2017 11:43:10 PM Des Delgadillo  
wrote:


Hi all,

I’ve noticed that for the most part UTorrent is quite accessible on the 
Mac, with one notable exception. When downloading torrent files, the user 
is able to select which files in the torrent they’d like to download, so 
that if they’re downloading a particularly large file, they don’t have to 
download the entire thing but only what is selected. Unfortunately, there 
doesn’t seem to be an accessible way to do this on UTorrent. Does anyone 
have any tips and tricks for how to do this with the program, or are there 
any other programs that are more usable than UTorrent? Any help is greatly 
appreciated.


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Re: it's here, the X

[Sharon Hooley]

I wonder why Apple released iPhone 8 and then jumped to ten soon after?


> On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:11 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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>  
> So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my iPhone X had 
> arrived,
>  
> And quite frankly it’s like being on a first date,
>  
> I’m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do something wrong,
>  
> I will say that setting up the device out of the box and using iCloud backups 
>  doesn’t work when your back ups are on IOS Public beta versions, and the new 
> device was IOS 11 production release…
>  
> A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back to the factory start 
> point and run through without an issue
>  
> So far after playing around for an hour or so, I’m actually really impressed 
> with what they have done,
>  
> Once you get passed the fact there is no home button it’s actually easy to 
> work with the slide finger up to get the app switcher and home screens.
>  
> The device is very quick, and although smaller physically it’s stil got great 
> screen realestate to work with,
>  
> So I’d say so far it’s been worth the wait but still more playing around to 
> come over the next couple of days
>  
> At least the iPhone x doesn’t slap me if I put my hand in the wrong place.
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it's here, the X

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi List,

So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my iPhone X had 
arrived,

And quite frankly it's like being on a first date,

I'm kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do something wrong,

I will say that setting up the device out of the box and using iCloud backups  
doesn't work when your back ups are on IOS Public beta versions, and the new 
device was IOS 11 production release...

A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back to the factory start point 
and run through without an issue

So far after playing around for an hour or so, I'm actually really impressed 
with what they have done,

Once you get passed the fact there is no home button it's actually easy to work 
with the slide finger up to get the app switcher and home screens.

The device is very quick, and although smaller physically it's stil got great 
screen realestate to work with,

So I'd say so far it's been worth the wait but still more playing around to 
come over the next couple of days

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RE: This simple hack using aluminium foil could improve your home Wi-Fi

[Simon Fogarty]

Ok, I'm going to have to give this a try,  but with someone elses ap in case it 
doesn't like my foil 

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Subject: This simple hack using aluminium foil could improve your home Wi-Fi


I do this to good effect.  Read the article link below for why it works.

Place the foil a few inches away from the wifi antenna oppisite the direction 
you wish to direct and increase the signal.

If possible, put the antenna in a corner with the foil on both sides behind it 
in a v shape for the strongest signal.  away from the corner.

Put it under the antenna if you want it to be directed upward to another floor.

Experiment for best results.

http://www.sciencealert.com/simple-hack-aluminium-foil-improve-home-wi-fi-wireless-signals


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