Re: new skype interface

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
There is a bit of to much interacting with stuff on mac but i guess this is the 
way things works.
Windows 10 is something i would like to try especially now when you can install 
it for your self.
/A

> 4 dec. 2017 kl. 02:11 skrev lenron brown :
> 
> I am more in the windows camp. Love my win 10 baby. Fast and I can do
> every thing with out having to interact and all that annoying crap.
> Less keys to do things most of the time. I like my Mac sometimes but
> not enough to make me want to use the thing all the time. I was stuck
> with just it for a couple weeks and thought I was going to go nuts. I
> couldn't duel boot it because not a big enough harddrive and apple
> wants me to pay a lot of money to replace it. Wich is insane 400
> dollars just to upgrade to a 512 gb ssd. That probably doesn't even
> cover how much they will cost me to replace it. I mean I probably
> could get someone to watch the Youtube video on how to do it and take
> a risk but not something I really want to do when we talking about
> that type of money.
> 
> On 12/3/17, John Panarese  wrote:
>>   Me as well. I have to use Windows for a training contract and some other
>> odds and ends, and it's  more than enough to continue to remind me what a
>> disaster that OS remains despite every new version. God, do I not miss
>> viruses and malware and mysterious crashes every other day. Fifteen minutes
>> on my Win 10 machine is all I need to remind me of how good I have it with
>> my Macs.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 3, 2017, at 5:59 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am the opposite, I would not even think of getting another windows
>>> machine, it provides all of the access I need out of the box, web browsing
>>> works great in both safari and chrome.
>>> 
 On Dec 3, 2017, at 4:40 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Well, I just got sick of waiting for the Mac to mature in terms of
 Braille support and PDF reading, and I’m not that thrilled with a Mail
 application or web browsing. I got my first Mac when the current system
 was snow leopard. That was a long time ago. And I really expected the
 system to have matured by now to the point where I would not even ever
 think about getting another Windows machine. That didn’t happen. I need
 both of those, and I don’t have them. So I’m back to windows. I still
 have a Mac, but it doesn’t get much use and I won’t buy another one.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Dec 3, 2017, at 1:43 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> this is subjective, of course, but I think MS is MUCH worse.  I use
> Windows at work, and most of the time it just drives me batty.  I don't
> think MS is getting better at all.  I'd still take Windows 7 over
> windows 10 any day of the year, and I have a sighted coworker who feels
> the same way.  And so far, anyway, I'd take any Apple product over
> Microsoft, which is why I still haven't switched.  Not that I'm crazy
> about all Apple's been doing lately, I just think they're still better
> than Microsoft.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Dec 3, 2017, at 1:26 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> No sense singling out Microsoft. Apple has been doing their share of
>> the same thing recently. Microsoft is actually getting better, will
>> apple is going the other way. None of them is perfect.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 3, 2017, at 11:21 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nice to know I'm not the only one who finds this annoying. This is a
>>> classic example of what happenes when you try to fix something that
>>> isn't broken, from Microsoft, it's not surprising though.
>>> 
 On Dec 3, 2017, at 4:36 AM, Anne Robertson 
 wrote:
 
 Hello Mike,
 
 I couldn’t make any sense of the new interface so I reverted to the
 previous one and turned off automatic updates.
 My husband, who is sighted, also reverted to the previous version as
 the new one lacks many of the facilities he uses.
 Apparently, there is quite a lot of criticism of MicroSoft’s
 treatement of Skype on the internet.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 
> On 3 Dec 2017, at 06:59, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Wondering if anyone else has tried the newest version of skype on
> the mac and if so, what do you 

A few questions about using braille displays to browse the web

[Des Delgadillo]

Hi all,

Please forgive me for the basic question, but up until now I’ve only been using 
my braille display with my iPhone and very occasionally to proof word docs on 
my Mac. I’m wanting to use it more for browsing the web, maybe even using it as 
a bluetooth remote of sorts when I’m too lazy to get up and walk to my laptop 
because it’s 2017.

I notice when reading web pages that links are grouped on the same line. Is 
there a way to navigate to a certain link and click it with only the display 
without having to use the keyboard at all? I notice this same phenomenon with 
the dock. Is this possible or am I just over-estimating the power of the 
braille display?

If anyone can point me to some beginners guides, that might be really helpful 
too.

Thanks in advance for all the direction.

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Re: OMG! Texting is 25 years old - CNET

[sandi sørensen]

I am not surprised, why say it , if you can type it?
I remember when i lived in Copenhagen, it took me 11 seconds to order my fav  
pizza.
Sandie.
Sent from my iPad

> On 4 Dec 2017, at 17.05, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Just one of the advantages that the disabled community have contributed to 
> society. 
> 
> http://sound-advice.ie/deaf-phone-internet-sms-text/
> 
> Gena
> 
> Braille is a reading and writing language that all blind people should learn 
> to use.
> 
> Michael Hingson 2011.
> 
>> On 4 Dec 2017, at 06:39, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> OMG! Texting is 25 years old
>> The first SMS was sent on Dec. 3, 1992, but it would be a couple of years
>> before phones could do it.
>> December 3, 2017 4:20 PM PST
>> 
>> Texting turned 25 on Sunday, ICYMI.
>> The first text message was sent on Dec. 3, 1992, by British engineer Neil
>> Papworth to Richard Jarvis, an executive at British telecom Vodafone, who
>> was attending his company's holiday party in Newbury, England. 
>> Typed out on a PC, it was sent to Jarvis's Orbitel 901, a mobile phone that
>> would take up most of your laptop backpack, and read: Merry Christmas. But
>> Jarvis didn't send a reply because there was no way to send a text from a
>> phone in those days.
>> Although Papworth is credited with sending the first text message, he's not
>> the so-called father of SMS. That honor (or blame) falls on Matti Makkonen,
>> who initially suggested the idea back in 1984 at a telecommunications
>> conference. 
>> But texting didn't take off over night. First it had to be incorporated into
>> the then-budding GSM standard. Makkonen feels the technology actually was
>> launched in 1994 when Nokia unveiled its 2010 mobile phone, the first device
>> that let people easily write messages.
>> Today, about 97 percent of smartphone owners use text messaging, according
>> to Pew Research, and along the way, a new set of sub-languages based on
>> abbreviations and keyboard-based imagery has evolved. More than 561 billion
>> text messages were sent worldwide in June 2014, about 18.7 billion texts
>> sent every day, according researcher TextRequest.
>> Texting has become so popular that most Americans would rather type it than
>> say it. US smartphone users are sending and receiving five times as many
>> texts compared with the number of phone calls each day, according to the
>> International Smartphone Mobility Report by mobile data tracking firm
>> Infomate.
>> Isn't that GR8?
>> 
>> Original Article at:
>> https://www.cnet.com/news/omg-texting-is-25-years-old/#ftag=CAD-09-10aai5b
>> 
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RE: used I phone x

[Simon Fogarty]

I’ve got a month old used one if someone has 2200 nz dollars to pay me for it.

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On Behalf Of myguidedo...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, 5 December 2017 4:03 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: used I phone x

Well, if requests are being made for a used iPhone x, I’d like a brand new one 
if someone is willing to give it to me.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of mobenga coco
Sent: December 4, 2017 3:39 PM
To: MacVisionaries 
>
Subject: used i phone x

hi gays
i want to get  a used i phone x
thnx

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RE: New IPhone X and Setup.

[Simon Fogarty]

Yes Robin,

Why is that so difficult to understand?

I also setup my own mac computers infact I setup iMacs at twork for the team I 
work with,
And yes totally blind

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Robin
Sent: Tuesday, 5 December 2017 6:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New IPhone X and Setup.

Wow! Independent SetUp of Apple's iPhoneX
By TotallyBlind with ONLY PhoneAssistance
Right???
or
Are you LowVision?

Congratulations!! On YourPurchase of Apple's iPhoneX
Enjoy YourSelf & Your iPhoneX
At 06:23 PM 12/3/2017, you wrote:

Hi All,

I got my IPhone X this past Thursday and decided to do the set up today since I 
had a block of time to work on it. I did call Apple Accessibility to ask for 
assistance since I wanted to be sure everything went smoothly. The tech person 
did a screen sharing session with me on my IPhone 6 since the new phone 
wasn’t set up screen sharing could not be done on the X directly. We did the 
screen sharing and he had me launch the camera so in turn I held the 6 above 
the 10 and he was able to view the screen on the new 10.

For the most part, it worked out very well. The thing I found most frustrating 
is that the X would lock in a very short time and it kept requiring reentry of 
my pass code numerous times. I found this added unnecessarily to the time it 
took to set up the phone. When the phone was finally up and running and I 
checked out settings, I found it was set to lock after only 30 seconds.

During setup I also skipped the facial recognition. I need to go to an Apple 
store later in the week since I’ll need a new outerbox and screen protector 
so I think I’ll ask for assistance then in setting up the facial recognition. 
So far the phone seems lovely and its a matter of getting use to new ways of 
unlocking, going to the home screen and the app switcher which don’t seem 
difficult at all. I am finding right now the phone is very fast and very 
responsive. I’m sure I’ll find other things where I’ll need to alter how 
I do things but as of now I am very happy with what I’m experiencing with 
this phone.

Eileen

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Re: upgrade/activation of iPhone X one of the worst I've ever had

[lenron brown]

I keep my phone at 5 minutes as well. I always have 30 seconds was way to fast.

On 12/4/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Hi Donna,
>
> I'm not that trusting,
> I close mine either straight after using it or have the auto lock set to 1
> minute,
>
> But that's only because I don't trust those around me while around work or
> out,
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 December 2017 12:26 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: upgrade/activation of iPhone X one of the worst I've ever had
>
> Hi Simon,
>
> Yeah, I actually changed mine to every five minutes.  That's where I've
> always had it set.  That way, if you put your phone down to talk to someone,
> get a cup of coffee, etc. you don't have to unlock it again.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Dec 3, 2017, at 11:46 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Donna,
>>
>> That just reminded me that yes the auto lock of the phone is set by
>> default for 30 seconds,
>>
>> I once up and running went in and changed this to 1 minute which makes a
>> major difference.
>>
>> And yeah I think I had an issue such as the having to restart the screen /
>> phone but only once then I managed to get things done  but it is
>> different.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Monday, 4 December 2017 7:16 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: upgrade/activation of iPhone X one of the worst I've ever had
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> For those of you still on the fence, I thought I'd post my experience thus
>> far.
>>
>> I finally have my iPhone X activated, but it has been one of the worst
>> upgrade processes I've ever been through.  There were several issues.
>>
>> First, every time the screen dimmed--which, given that this was a new
>> phone was approximately every minute--when I pressed the power button I
>> was taken to a screen where my only option was to click on phone info.
>> The only way out of this screen was to invoke a force shut, reset the
>> phone and start over.  I probably went through that process five times
>> before all was said and done.  Thank you, thank you, thank you, Mark for
>> posting the article about how to do that.  Without that information, I
>> would have had to give up and go to the Verizon store.
>>
>> Second, I had to upgrade to IOS 11.02.  This presented two problems.
>> First, given the issue I describe above, this meant I had to sit with my
>> phone in my hand, and make sure the screen never dimmed, because if it
>> did, the upgrade stopped.  Then, once I finally got to the "Preparing
>> Update" message, the phone was stuck there for a good 20 minutes.  I
>> actually had to go through this process twice to get to the point where
>> the update was installed.
>>
>> Then, once that was done, I was unable to unlock the phone without sighted
>> assistance, because I kept being taken to a screen similar to that
>> described in the first paragraph.  There was a swipe to unlock button, but
>> I was unable to activate it with Voiceover.  The only way to unlock the
>> phone was to have my husband come and swipe the unlock button.  I had
>> planned to hold off on setting up Face ID till later today, but ended up
>> doing it, just because that seems like the only way I can unlock my phone.
>>  Setting up Face ID was not too bad.  There was some trial and error, it
>> probably took me three attempts or so to get it set up.  But now that it
>> is, it is working fine.
>>
>> I know that some others' experiences have not been this awful.  I wonder
>> if any of what I experienced is carrier specific.  I'm with Verizon, so
>> other VZ users might want to have all this in mind.  I really haven't even
>> used the phone yet.  But I would say this.  If you upgrade, make sure you
>> have sighted assistance available, either via a friend or family member,
>> or by store personnel.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>>
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RE: upgrade/activation of iPhone X one of the worst I've ever had

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

I'm not that trusting,
I close mine either straight after using it or have the auto lock set to 1 
minute,

But that's only because I don't trust those around me while around work or out,
 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Tuesday, 5 December 2017 12:26 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrade/activation of iPhone X one of the worst I've ever had

Hi Simon,

Yeah, I actually changed mine to every five minutes.  That's where I've always 
had it set.  That way, if you put your phone down to talk to someone, get a cup 
of coffee, etc. you don't have to unlock it again.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 3, 2017, at 11:46 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> That just reminded me that yes the auto lock of the phone is set by default 
> for 30 seconds,
> 
> I once up and running went in and changed this to 1 minute which makes a 
> major difference.
> 
> And yeah I think I had an issue such as the having to restart the screen / 
> phone but only once then I managed to get things done  but it is different.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Monday, 4 December 2017 7:16 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: upgrade/activation of iPhone X one of the worst I've ever had
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> For those of you still on the fence, I thought I'd post my experience thus 
> far.
> 
> I finally have my iPhone X activated, but it has been one of the worst 
> upgrade processes I've ever been through.  There were several issues.
> 
> First, every time the screen dimmed--which, given that this was a new phone 
> was approximately every minute--when I pressed the power button I was taken 
> to a screen where my only option was to click on phone info.  The only way 
> out of this screen was to invoke a force shut, reset the phone and start 
> over.  I probably went through that process five times before all was said 
> and done.  Thank you, thank you, thank you, Mark for posting the article 
> about how to do that.  Without that information, I would have had to give up 
> and go to the Verizon store.
> 
> Second, I had to upgrade to IOS 11.02.  This presented two problems.  First, 
> given the issue I describe above, this meant I had to sit with my phone in my 
> hand, and make sure the screen never dimmed, because if it did, the upgrade 
> stopped.  Then, once I finally got to the "Preparing Update" message, the 
> phone was stuck there for a good 20 minutes.  I actually had to go through 
> this process twice to get to the point where the update was installed.
> 
> Then, once that was done, I was unable to unlock the phone without sighted 
> assistance, because I kept being taken to a screen similar to that described 
> in the first paragraph.  There was a swipe to unlock button, but I was unable 
> to activate it with Voiceover.  The only way to unlock the phone was to have 
> my husband come and swipe the unlock button.  I had planned to hold off on 
> setting up Face ID till later today, but ended up doing it, just because that 
> seems like the only way I can unlock my phone.  Setting up Face ID was not 
> too bad.  There was some trial and error, it probably took me three attempts 
> or so to get it set up.  But now that it is, it is working fine.
> 
> I know that some others' experiences have not been this awful.  I wonder if 
> any of what I experienced is carrier specific.  I'm with Verizon, so other VZ 
> users might want to have all this in mind.  I really haven't even used the 
> phone yet.  But I would say this.  If you upgrade, make sure you have sighted 
> assistance available, either via a friend or family member, or by store 
> personnel.
> Best,
> Donna
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[Michelle's Home Emails]

Hi folks 

Sorry sent email to wrong person. Apolagies. 
Michelle 

Sent from Michelle's  iPhone

> On 3 Dec 2017, at 12:59 pm, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
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> Hello, 1st let me start by saying I have been granted permission to post 
> this.  I got myself a new focus 40 blue fifth generation, and found there is 
> no support groups and very limited documentation out there.  So I created a 
> group so we can all help each other.  NOt just for the focus series, but for 
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RE: used I phone x

[myguidedogis]

Well, if requests are being made for a used iPhone x, I’d like a brand new one 
if someone is willing to give it to me.  

 

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Sent: December 4, 2017 3:39 PM
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Subject: used i phone x

 

hi gays 

i want to get  a used i phone x  

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used i phone x

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hi gays 
i want to get  a used i phone x  
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My Macbook and Image Graphic Image problem now resolved

[Andy]

Hi guys.

Just to let all you folks , who reached out to help me with my recent Graphic 
Image problem, that the problem has now been resolved.

So this is just a big thank you from Scotland, from a very grateful list member.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
>From Scotland with Love.

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podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly

[Aleeha Dudley]

Hey all, 
I know there was a question a while back about this. Here’s a podcast that 
shows you how to install Windows 10 with Bootcamp. without sighted assistance. 
The URL is: 
https://iaccessibility.net/iacast-democast-14-installing-windows-on-a-mac-accessibly-with-bootcamp/
I hope this helps someone.
Aleeha 

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Re: Imac and Macbook Pro problem

[Andy]

Hi Tim.

It doesn't make sense but I'll try it.

CMD is, however, pressing the delete key when I hear the announcement???  Is 
this what you mean???

Andy.



So when I get the image and the audio announcement I simply do this:


  - Original Message - 
  From: Tim Kilburn 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 5:58 PM
  Subject: Re: Imac and Macbook Pro problem


  Hi Andy,


  It sounds to me like there is a mostly empty Desktop, with one Screen Shot 
file located on the Desktop.  The mountain range is immaterial to this, other 
than it being a nice scene for your wife or other sighted person to view.  The 
reason it just goes ding ding when you attempt to navigate around the Desktop 
is due to the fact that there is only the one file.  So, as you try to 
navigate, there is actually nowhere to go.  If that screen shot is of no value 
to you, then just move it to the Trash by pressing cmd-Delete when the file is 
selected.  You will then have a totally blank Desktop.  VO will still make the 
ding noise when you're on the Desktop,as there is nothing there to announce the 
presence of.  You can then use regular VO navigation commands to open items 
from the Dock, or go up to the menubar  etc.


  Hope this makes sense.


  Later...


  Tim Kilburn
  Fort McMurray, AB Canada 


  On Dec 4, 2017, at 09:40, Andy  wrote:


  Hi Tim and John.

  Thanks for your advice.

  Putting the password question to one side for a moment, as it's not really 
all that of an inconvenience, to have to sign into my computer on boot-up.

  Concerning the mountain range desktop background, this does make sence to me, 
as I upgraded both devices yesterday, when they both were using El Capitan, I 
suppose I can live with it being a total.  However, this does not explaine the 
following message when the image appears:

  "LW  Screenshot
  Portable network graphic image


  You are currently on a Portable Graphic Network Image."."

  Voice over does not tell you how to respond to this message as voice over 
normally does with other things and I cannot do anything to move away, such as 
Command W or Q or escape.
  .



  I don't think that all High Seera users are hearing this through Voice over 
as John would have recognised it.  But it does refer to a Graphic Image, so I 
don't know.

  I only wish I could get rid of it, or better have no desktop background image 
at all, if this is what is causing this message.

  What do you guys think I can do?

  Very best wishes.

  Andy.
  From Scotland with Love.









   - Original Message - 
From: Tim Kilburn
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: Imac and Macbook Pro problem


Hi,


The mountain scene is the High Sierra Desktop background/wall paper, so, 
yes, you're on the Desktop of the Mac.  Regarding the requirement of entering 
your password upon restart, that can be changed, but I highly discourage that.  
It is a minor inconvenience that allows for a small layer of security.  For 
example, if your house was unlawfully entered and your Mac was stolen, having 
no password at all upon starting your Mac makes it very simple for the culprit 
to gain access to all sorts of your personal information that is stored on the 
Mac.  Just that one password makes it a problem.  For real good security, there 
are many more steps you could take, but this little one is the foundation and 
is a good start.


I'll get off the soap-box now.


Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada 


On Dec 3, 2017, at 13:07, andy  wrote:


Hi again John.

I got my wife to view the Image  and she advises that the whole screen has 
a mounting scene on it, like a windows desk-top background image.

Voice over still announced the description I mentioned in my previous 
message.

I did a VO left arrow and it went away, and so did my wife to her bed 
unfortunately, so no more help from her this evening

She did say that it was asking me for a password as well.

It seems that both my Imac and Mackbook Pro desire me to sign in every time 
I restart the computers, which is a pain.

I'll have another go tomorrow to see if I can get any more information.

Thanks for your assistance.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
From Scotland with Love.

  - Original Message - 
  From: John Panarese
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 5:29 PM
  Subject: Re: Imac and Macbook Pro problem


 I can't see FaceTime causing a problem like this. I am not sure what 
the portable network graphic could be. Do you have a pair of eyes available to 
tell you what it's asking you?



  Take Care

  John D. Panarese
  Director
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  Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
  Website, 

Re: New IPhone X and Setup.

[Eileen Scrivani]

Yes, I’m totally blind. Voice Over turned on immediately as soon as I did the 
rapid triple press on the side button. And then the Apple technician’s 
assistance since I called their Accessibility line, was able to see the screen 
on the 10 because I did screen sharing on the IPhone 6.


technically, I should have been able to place the older 6 next to the new 10 to 
just transfer my information/settings, but when I got to that screen I was only 
able to tap the setup manually button. The button for automatic setup did not 
show. This might have made the process faster, but at least its done and it 
went through pretty smoothly.

Eileen
Eileen

From: Robin 
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 12:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: New IPhone X and Setup.

Wow! Independent Setup of Apple's iPhoneX 
By TotallyBlind with ONLY PhoneAssistance
Right???
or
Are you LowVision?

Congratulations!! On YourPurchase of Apple's iPhoneX
Enjoy YourSelf & Your iPhoneX
At 06:23 PM 12/3/2017, you wrote:

  Hi All, 
   
  I got my IPhone X this past Thursday and decided to do the set up today since 
I had a block of time to work on it. I did call Apple Accessibility to ask for 
assistance since I wanted to be sure everything went smoothly. The tech person 
did a screen sharing session with me on my IPhone 6 since the new phone 
wasn’t set up screen sharing could not be done on the X directly. We did the 
screen sharing and he had me launch the camera so in turn I held the 6 above 
the 10 and he was able to view the screen on the new 10. 
   
  For the most part, it worked out very well. The thing I found most 
frustrating is that the X would lock in a very short time and it kept requiring 
reentry of my pass code numerous times. I found this added unnecessarily to the 
time it took to set up the phone. When the phone was finally up and running and 
I checked out settings, I found it was set to lock after only 30 seconds.
   
  During setup I also skipped the facial recognition. I need to go to an Apple 
store later in the week since I’ll need a new outerbox and screen protector 
so I think I’ll ask for assistance then in setting up the facial recognition. 
So far the phone seems lovely and its a matter of getting use to new ways of 
unlocking, going to the home screen and the app switcher which don’t seem 
difficult at all. I am finding right now the phone is very fast and very 
responsive. I’m sure I’ll find other things where I’ll need to alter how 
I do things but as of now I am very happy with what I’m experiencing with 
this phone.
   
  Eileen

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Re: Imac and Macbook Pro problem

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Andy,

It sounds to me like there is a mostly empty Desktop, with one Screen Shot file 
located on the Desktop.  The mountain range is immaterial to this, other than 
it being a nice scene for your wife or other sighted person to view.  The 
reason it just goes ding ding when you attempt to navigate around the Desktop 
is due to the fact that there is only the one file.  So, as you try to 
navigate, there is actually nowhere to go.  If that screen shot is of no value 
to you, then just move it to the Trash by pressing cmd-Delete when the file is 
selected.  You will then have a totally blank Desktop.  VO will still make the 
ding noise when you're on the Desktop,as there is nothing there to announce the 
presence of.  You can then use regular VO navigation commands to open items 
from the Dock, or go up to the menubar  etc.

Hope this makes sense.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 4, 2017, at 09:40, Andy  wrote:

Hi Tim and John.
 
Thanks for your advice.
 
Putting the password question to one side for a moment, as it's not really all 
that of an inconvenience, to have to sign into my computer on boot-up.
 
Concerning the mountain range desktop background, this does make sence to me, 
as I upgraded both devices yesterday, when they both were using El Capitan, I 
suppose I can live with it being a total.  However, this does not explaine the 
following message when the image appears:
 
"LW  Screenshot
Portable network graphic image
 
You are currently on a Portable Graphic Network Image."."
 
Voice over does not tell you how to respond to this message as voice over 
normally does with other things and I cannot do anything to move away, such as 
Command W or Q or escape.
.
 
 
 
I don't think that all High Seera users are hearing this through Voice over as 
John would have recognised it.  But it does refer to a Graphic Image, so I 
don't know.
 
I only wish I could get rid of it, or better have no desktop background image 
at all, if this is what is causing this message.
 
What do you guys think I can do?
 
Very best wishes.
 
Andy.
>From Scotland with Love.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
> From: Tim Kilburn 
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 10:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Imac and Macbook Pro problem
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The mountain scene is the High Sierra Desktop background/wall paper, so, yes, 
> you're on the Desktop of the Mac.  Regarding the requirement of entering your 
> password upon restart, that can be changed, but I highly discourage that.  It 
> is a minor inconvenience that allows for a small layer of security.  For 
> example, if your house was unlawfully entered and your Mac was stolen, having 
> no password at all upon starting your Mac makes it very simple for the 
> culprit to gain access to all sorts of your personal information that is 
> stored on the Mac.  Just that one password makes it a problem.  For real good 
> security, there are many more steps you could take, but this little one is 
> the foundation and is a good start.
> 
> I'll get off the soap-box now.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada 
> 
> On Dec 3, 2017, at 13:07, andy  > wrote:
> 
> Hi again John.
>  
> I got my wife to view the Image  and she advises that the whole screen has a 
> mounting scene on it, like a windows desk-top background image.
>  
> Voice over still announced the description I mentioned in my previous message.
>  
> I did a VO left arrow and it went away, and so did my wife to her bed 
> unfortunately, so no more help from her this evening
>  
> She did say that it was asking me for a password as well.
>  
> It seems that both my Imac and Mackbook Pro desire me to sign in every time I 
> restart the computers, which is a pain.
>  
> I'll have another go tomorrow to see if I can get any more information.
>  
> Thanks for your assistance.
>  
> Very best wishes.
>  
> Andy.
> From Scotland with Love.
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: John Panarese 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 5:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: Imac and Macbook Pro problem
>> 
>>I can't see FaceTime causing a problem like this. I am not sure what the 
>> portable network graphic could be. Do you have a pair of eyes available to 
>> tell you what it's asking you?
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 

Re: New IPhone X and Setup.

[Robin]

Wow! Independent SetUp of Apple's iPhoneX
By TotallyBlind with ONLY PhoneAssistance
Right???
or
Are you LowVision?

Congratulations!! On YourPurchase of Apple's iPhoneX
Enjoy YourSelf & Your iPhoneX
At 06:23 PM 12/3/2017, you wrote:

Hi All,

I got my IPhone X this past Thursday and decided 
to do the set up today since I had a block of 
time to work on it. I did call Apple 
Accessibility to ask for assistance since I 
wanted to be sure everything went smoothly. The 
tech person did a screen sharing session with me 
on my IPhone 6 since the new phone wasn’t set 
up screen sharing could not be done on the X 
directly. We did the screen sharing and he had 
me launch the camera so in turn I held the 6 
above the 10 and he was able to view the screen on the new 10.


For the most part, it worked out very well. The 
thing I found most frustrating is that the X 
would lock in a very short time and it kept 
requiring reentry of my pass code numerous 
times. I found this added unnecessarily to the 
time it took to set up the phone. When the phone 
was finally up and running and I checked out 
settings, I found it was set to lock after only 30 seconds.


During setup I also skipped the facial 
recognition. I need to go to an Apple store 
later in the week since I’ll need a new 
outerbox and screen protector so I think I’ll 
ask for assistance then in setting up the facial 
recognition. So far the phone seems lovely and 
its a matter of getting use to new ways of 
unlocking, going to the home screen and the app 
switcher which don’t seem difficult at all. I 
am finding right now the phone is very fast and 
very responsive. I’m sure I’ll find other 
things where I’ll need to alter how I do 
things but as of now I am very happy with what 
I’m experiencing with this phone.


Eileen

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Re: New IPhone X and Setup.

[Eileen Scrivani]

Hi Donna,

Thanks for the pointers. I will give it a try later today after I get a few 
things taken care of around the house. When I did the set up yesterday, and the 
screen for face recognition came up I did try holding my arm out at around face 
level, but it didn’t seem to see my face. So for sanity’s sake I skipped over 
that part.

I remember one message from another person on this list, can’t remember who it 
was, but they did say they held the phone at some crazy angle. Hopefully I’ll 
get it working soon.

Eileen


From: Donna Goodin 
Sent: Sunday, December 3, 2017 9:35 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: New IPhone X and Setup.

Hi Eileen, 

Glad your setup went well.

Setting up Face recognition isn't that hard.  The first time you do it, it may 
feel impossible, but if you pay close attention to what your phone is telling 
you, you can probably do it yourself with little trouble.  someone else posted 
on the list to remember to make small movements with your head.  That turned 
out to be very helpful.  I started with a small movement, and if that wasn't 
sufficient, the phone would say something like "Turn your head up."  I would 
then know that I needed to move it further in the direction the phone was 
indicating.

Just thought I'd mention this in case you want to give it a try.
Cheers,
Donna

  On Dec 3, 2017, at 8:23 PM, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:

  Hi All, 

  I got my IPhone X this past Thursday and decided to do the set up today since 
I had a block of time to work on it. I did call Apple Accessibility to ask for 
assistance since I wanted to be sure everything went smoothly. The tech person 
did a screen sharing session with me on my IPhone 6 since the new phone wasn’t 
set up screen sharing could not be done on the X directly. We did the screen 
sharing and he had me launch the camera so in turn I held the 6 above the 10 
and he was able to view the screen on the new 10. 

  For the most part, it worked out very well. The thing I found most 
frustrating is that the X would lock in a very short time and it kept requiring 
reentry of my pass code numerous times. I found this added unnecessarily to the 
time it took to set up the phone. When the phone was finally up and running and 
I checked out settings, I found it was set to lock after only 30 seconds.

  During setup I also skipped the facial recognition. I need to go to an Apple 
store later in the week since I’ll need a new outerbox and screen protector so 
I think I’ll ask for assistance then in setting up the facial recognition. So 
far the phone seems lovely and its a matter of getting use to new ways of 
unlocking, going to the home screen and the app switcher which don’t seem 
difficult at all. I am finding right now the phone is very fast and very 
responsive. I’m sure I’ll find other things where I’ll need to alter how I do 
things but as of now I am very happy with what I’m experiencing with this phone.

  Eileen

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Re: Imac and Macbook Pro problem

[Andy]

Hi Tim and John.

Thanks for your advice.

Putting the password question to one side for a moment, as it's not really all 
that of an inconvenience, to have to sign into my computer on boot-up.

Concerning the mountain range desktop background, this does make sence to me, 
as I upgraded both devices yesterday, when they both were using El Capitan, I 
suppose I can live with it being a total.  However, this does not explaine the 
following message when the image appears:

"LW  Screenshot
Portable network graphic image


You are currently on a Portable Graphic Network Image."."

Voice over does not tell you how to respond to this message as voice over 
normally does with other things and I cannot do anything to move away, such as 
Command W or Q or escape.
.



I don't think that all High Seera users are hearing this through Voice over as 
John would have recognised it.  But it does refer to a Graphic Image, so I 
don't know.

I only wish I could get rid of it, or better have no desktop background image 
at all, if this is what is causing this message.

What do you guys think I can do?

Very best wishes.

Andy.
>From Scotland with Love.









 - Original Message - 
  From: Tim Kilburn 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 10:45 PM
  Subject: Re: Imac and Macbook Pro problem


  Hi,


  The mountain scene is the High Sierra Desktop background/wall paper, so, yes, 
you're on the Desktop of the Mac.  Regarding the requirement of entering your 
password upon restart, that can be changed, but I highly discourage that.  It 
is a minor inconvenience that allows for a small layer of security.  For 
example, if your house was unlawfully entered and your Mac was stolen, having 
no password at all upon starting your Mac makes it very simple for the culprit 
to gain access to all sorts of your personal information that is stored on the 
Mac.  Just that one password makes it a problem.  For real good security, there 
are many more steps you could take, but this little one is the foundation and 
is a good start.


  I'll get off the soap-box now.


  Later...


  Tim Kilburn
  Fort McMurray, AB Canada 


  On Dec 3, 2017, at 13:07, andy  wrote:


  Hi again John.

  I got my wife to view the Image  and she advises that the whole screen has a 
mounting scene on it, like a windows desk-top background image.

  Voice over still announced the description I mentioned in my previous message.

  I did a VO left arrow and it went away, and so did my wife to her bed 
unfortunately, so no more help from her this evening

  She did say that it was asking me for a password as well.

  It seems that both my Imac and Mackbook Pro desire me to sign in every time I 
restart the computers, which is a pain.

  I'll have another go tomorrow to see if I can get any more information.

  Thanks for your assistance.

  Very best wishes.

  Andy.
  From Scotland with Love.

- Original Message - 
From: John Panarese
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: Imac and Macbook Pro problem


   I can't see FaceTime causing a problem like this. I am not sure what the 
portable network graphic could be. Do you have a pair of eyes available to tell 
you what it's asking you?



Take Care

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  On Dec 3, 2017, at 12:27 PM, andy  wrote:


  Hi Aleeha  and John.

  I did several VO left arrow commands and reached a box saying Close 
Graphic Image or something like that.

  I selected this with VO Spacebar and returned to the desktop, so I 
rebooted and the same old message came up on boot up.

  A reason for this problem is probably associated with me trying this 
morning, on my Macbook to make a Facetime contact with my Nephew in Australia.

  I must have done something wrong.  Any Ideas how to get rid of this 
please.

  Very best wishes.

  Andy.
  From Scotland with Love





  - Original Message - 
From: John Panarese
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: Imac and Macbook Pro problem


   It sounds like you are simply on your desktop unless this is some 
kind of new system message. Can you go to the Dock with VO-d or command-tab?



Take Care

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Re: OMG! Texting is 25 years old - CNET

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello all,

Just one of the advantages that the disabled community have contributed to 
society. 

http://sound-advice.ie/deaf-phone-internet-sms-text/

Gena

Braille is a reading and writing language that all blind people should learn to 
use.

Michael Hingson 2011.

> On 4 Dec 2017, at 06:39, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> OMG! Texting is 25 years old
> The first SMS was sent on Dec. 3, 1992, but it would be a couple of years
> before phones could do it.
> December 3, 2017 4:20 PM PST
> 
> Texting turned 25 on Sunday, ICYMI.
> The first text message was sent on Dec. 3, 1992, by British engineer Neil
> Papworth to Richard Jarvis, an executive at British telecom Vodafone, who
> was attending his company's holiday party in Newbury, England. 
> Typed out on a PC, it was sent to Jarvis's Orbitel 901, a mobile phone that
> would take up most of your laptop backpack, and read: Merry Christmas. But
> Jarvis didn't send a reply because there was no way to send a text from a
> phone in those days.
> Although Papworth is credited with sending the first text message, he's not
> the so-called father of SMS. That honor (or blame) falls on Matti Makkonen,
> who initially suggested the idea back in 1984 at a telecommunications
> conference. 
> But texting didn't take off over night. First it had to be incorporated into
> the then-budding GSM standard. Makkonen feels the technology actually was
> launched in 1994 when Nokia unveiled its 2010 mobile phone, the first device
> that let people easily write messages.
> Today, about 97 percent of smartphone owners use text messaging, according
> to Pew Research, and along the way, a new set of sub-languages based on
> abbreviations and keyboard-based imagery has evolved. More than 561 billion
> text messages were sent worldwide in June 2014, about 18.7 billion texts
> sent every day, according researcher TextRequest.
> Texting has become so popular that most Americans would rather type it than
> say it. US smartphone users are sending and receiving five times as many
> texts compared with the number of phone calls each day, according to the
> International Smartphone Mobility Report by mobile data tracking firm
> Infomate.
> Isn't that GR8?
> 
> Original Article at:
> https://www.cnet.com/news/omg-texting-is-25-years-old/#ftag=CAD-09-10aai5b
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Re: Info about youtube downloader

[Devin Prater]

Youtube-dl, from Home-brew, is accessible through the terminal. Besides that, 
there isn’t much of an option.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World 
Services for the Blind



> On Dec 4, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Sauro Cesaretti  
> wrote:
> 
> hello all,
> I'd like to ask you fi you know any application to download video/audio from 
> youtube.
> An alternative of downie  that is accessible as well.
> I heard also about chrome or safari extensions that allows to do the task.
> Do you know anything about that?
> Are they accessible?
> Thanks a lot in advance
> Regards,Sauro
> 
> 
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Re: Imac and Macbook Pro problem

[Phil Halton]

Just as an aside, the “Be My Eyes“ application for the iPhone is very useful in 
situations where you need sighted assistance. I use it regularly to have 
someone read the error messages on my furnace and any other difficult visual 
situation I run into. Check it out, you’ll be glad you did.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Dec 3, 2017, at 3:07 PM, andy  wrote:
> 
> Hi again John.
>  
> I got my wife to view the Image  and she advises that the whole screen has a 
> mounting scene on it, like a windows desk-top background image.
>  
> Voice over still announced the description I mentioned in my previous message.
>  
> I did a VO left arrow and it went away, and so did my wife to her bed 
> unfortunately, so no more help from her this evening
>  
> She did say that it was asking me for a password as well.
>  
> It seems that both my Imac and Mackbook Pro desire me to sign in every time I 
> restart the computers, which is a pain.
>  
> I'll have another go tomorrow to see if I can get any more information.
>  
> Thanks for your assistance.
>  
> Very best wishes.
>  
> Andy.
> From Scotland with Love.
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: John Panarese
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 5:29 PM
> Subject: Re: Imac and Macbook Pro problem
> 
>I can't see FaceTime causing a problem like this. I am not sure what the 
> portable network graphic could be. Do you have a pair of eyes available to 
> tell you what it's asking you?
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 3, 2017, at 12:27 PM, andy  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Aleeha  and John.
>>  
>> I did several VO left arrow commands and reached a box saying Close Graphic 
>> Image or something like that.
>>  
>> I selected this with VO Spacebar and returned to the desktop, so I rebooted 
>> and the same old message came up on boot up.
>>  
>> A reason for this problem is probably associated with me trying this 
>> morning, on my Macbook to make a Facetime contact with my Nephew in 
>> Australia.
>>  
>> I must have done something wrong.  Any Ideas how to get rid of this please.
>>  
>> Very best wishes.
>>  
>> Andy.
>> From Scotland with Love
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: John Panarese
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 4:51 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Imac and Macbook Pro problem
>>> 
>>>It sounds like you are simply on your desktop unless this is some kind 
>>> of new system message. Can you go to the Dock with VO-d or command-tab?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 3, 2017, at 11:50 AM, andy  wrote:
 
 Hi all.
  
 Just when I was coming to grips with my Macbook and Imac, after learing 
 how to use Facetime, I got what I think was an upgrade.  This is because 
 I've not used either device for some time.
  
 Anyway, when I start both my Imack and my Macbook Pro, I'm getting the 
 following message and Voice over does not tell me what  to do 
 about it.
  
 Message:
  
 LW  Screenshot
 Portable network graphic image
  
 You are currently on a Portable Graphic Network Image.
  
 I don't know that the computer wishes me to do.
  
 Any answers pleas.
  
 Thanks.
  
 Very best wishes.
  
 Andy.
 From Scotland with Love.
  
 
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Info about youtube downloader

[Sauro Cesaretti]

hello all,
I'd like to ask you fi you know any application to download video/audio from 
youtube.
An alternative of downie  that is accessible as well.
I heard also about chrome or safari extensions that allows to do the task.
Do you know anything about that?
Are they accessible?
Thanks a lot in advance
Regards,Sauro



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Re: I went to buy an iPhone X. T-Mobile told me it wasn't worth it - CNET

[Raymond Foret Jr]

I had to laugh when I read this.  honestly?  my iPhone x is faster and more 
reliable than any other would have been.  And further more, what can one expect 
of a company who’s signal I cannot get at my parents’ place what so ever 
without carrying around a huge two piece antenna thingie?  T-Muffle; that’s 
what I call them.  Maybe I should call them T-Dumb.


Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

> On Dec 4, 2017, at 12:36 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> I went to buy an iPhone X. T-Mobile told me it wasn't worth it
> Commentary: A visit to a T-Mobile store reveals some very particular
> feelings about Apple's new phone.
> December 3, 2017 9:00 AM PST
> 
> Not worth it?
> César Salza / CNET 
> I think of T-Mobile most often when I see it's insulted Verizon and when I
> see someone wear a pink tutu at a party.
> Still, it's presented itself very well over the last couple of years as the
> carrier that thinks most about customers, especially with its push toward
> unlimited data.
> Could it possibly be the store that would guide me toward buying the right
> phone?
> Regular readers might know that I've been visiting various retailers to see
> how they present different phones to customers. You know, in person.
> I've been to both a Verizon store and a Best Buy to learn about Pixel 2. In
> both cases, I was guided toward a Samsung Galaxy.
> I went to an AT store, where I was told that the Galaxy Note 8 was a
> better phone than the iPhone X. 
> What would T-Mobile tell me? 
> I was moved to visit, as the carrier offered a 2-for-1 promotion on the
> iPhone 8 last week. 
> Did this mean that T-Mobile was selling so many iPhone X's that it was
> desperate to get rid of the lesser upgrade from last year's phone? 
> Was iPhone X the phone that would tear me away from my trusty, now slightly
> rusty-looking iPhone 6?
> I went to a San Francisco Bay Area T-Mobile store to find out. 
> It all started well enough
> A sprightly salesman approached me as I looked over the iPhone range.
> I showed him my iPhone 6. He didn't sneer. This was a good start. Not
> everyone looks so kindly on old phones in the Bay Area.
> He swiftly dismissed the iPhone 8 as a minor upgrade. 
> "You've got wireless charging, faster processor and you've got the glass
> back. But it's pretty much the same phone as the one you've got," he said.
> "But wait. Don't you have a 2-for-1 promotion going on for these right now?"
> "That ended Monday. We've got a 2-for-1 on the Samsungs, but not on the
> 8's."
> Was this the moment I was going to be told Samsungs were better? Not yet, it
> seemed.
> "Oh, so did you have the promotion because you needed to get rid of a lot of
> 8's?" I asked.
> "No," he replied, a little too quickly. "It was just a promotion."
> I then asked him about the iPhone X. He couldn't show me how Face ID works,
> because each phone can only work with one person's face. 
> He insisted, though, that it was secure. "I think there's a million-to-one
> chance that someone else's face will open your phone," he said.
> iPhone X? It's not worth the extra 200 bucks
> Then things took a strange turn.
> He suddenly volunteered that it took more time to get to all your apps on
> the X than it did with the iPhone 8 Plus.
> "With the 8 Plus, you just double-click on the home button and, look, there
> they all are," he said. "With iPhone X, it's messier." He showed me how much
> messier, as he made several gestures to achieve the same effect.
> So the future of the smartphone takes you back in time, not forward?
> "A lot of people aren't buying the X because they miss the home button," he
> said. "Look, there's not much difference between the X and the 8 Plus. The
> camera's the same, the screen size is almost the same. All the iPhone people
> in this store upgraded to an 8 Plus, not an X."
> "Why?"
> "Because they didn't think the X was worth the extra 200 bucks."
> I confess to being surprised. I've enjoyed the candor of all the salespeople
> I've talked to. But here was one who was trying to sell me what most people
> would tell me is a lesser phone.
> "So why do people buy the iPhone X?"
> "One of the biggest reasons is the animojis," he said, with something of a
> chuckle. These require your facial features from Face ID and animate them
> into, say, a unicorn or a pile of excreta. A pile of singing excreta, if you
> want to enjoy animoji karaoke.
> "But these are just younger people, right?"
> "No, all ages. It's incredible."
> And the best phone is...the one that's dead
> "So which phone do you think is the best?" I asked.
> "For me, the Note 8," he said, without hesitation. "I had an iPhone for a
> while when the Note 7 thing happened. But when the Note 8 came out, I went
> straight back to it."
> He explained that, for him, Android was better because he could "do more"
> with it, especially download free apps. I'd heard this from several
> 

Re: upgrade/activation of iPhone X one of the worst I've ever had

[Donna Goodin]

Hey Simon,

You're probably right, only time will tell, I suppose.
cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 4, 2017, at 12:20 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> I'm pretty sure that you'll get comfortable with the way the x works,
> 
> I can't say I’m missing the home button now I've just gotten use to how the 
> new interface works.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Monday, 4 December 2017 11:21 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: upgrade/activation of iPhone X one of the worst I've ever had
> 
> Lol. I suspect your right, but the home button was just sooo much easier! 
> :) donna
>> On Dec 3, 2017, at 4:07 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> 
>> You,Donna must be  experiencing SeparationAnxiety as it pertains to 
>> Apple NOT including a HomeButton on its iPhoneX, & I Beleive, Donna will 
>> Eventually become Comfortable with the iPhoneX as She is  in the HoneyMoon 
>> Phase At 01:47 PM 12/3/2017, you wrote:
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> 
>>> I do think I'll end up being happy with the X, but I have to say, I 
>>> do miss that home button! :) Cheers, Donna
 On Dec 3, 2017, at 2:46 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
 
 Hello E. T.,
 
 Life is good over here in the iPhone 8 world; so come on in, the water's 
 fine.  (smile).
 
 Mark
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
 Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 10:26 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: upgrade/activation of iPhone X one of the worst I've 
 ever had
 
   Looks like I will stay off the fence, on the side with the iPhone 8/8+.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than 
 to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. --Carl 
 Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 12/3/2017 10:15 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> For those of you still on the fence, I thought I'd post my experience 
> thus far.
> 
> I finally have my iPhone X activated, but it has been one of the worst 
> upgrade processes I've ever been through.  There were several issues.
> 
> First, every time the screen dimmed--which, given that this was a new 
> phone was approximately every minute--when I pressed the power button I 
> was taken to a screen where my only option was to click on phone info.  
> The only way out of this screen was to invoke a force shut, reset the 
> phone and start over.  I probably went through that process five times 
> before all was said and done.  Thank you, thank you, thank you, Mark for 
> posting the article about how to do that.  Without that information, I 
> would have had to give up and go to the Verizon store.
> 
> Second, I had to upgrade to IOS 11.02.  This presented two problems.  
> First, given the issue I describe above, this meant I had to sit with my 
> phone in my hand, and make sure the screen never dimmed, because if it 
> did, the upgrade stopped.  Then, once I finally got to the "Preparing 
> Update" message, the phone was stuck there for a good 20 minutes.  I 
> actually had to go through this process twice to get to the point where 
> the update was installed.
> 
> Then, once that was done, I was unable to unlock the phone without 
> sighted assistance, because I kept being taken to a screen similar to 
> that described in the first paragraph.  There was a swipe to unlock 
> button, but I was unable to activate it with Voiceover.  The only way to 
> unlock the phone was to have my husband come and swipe the unlock button. 
>  I had planned to hold off on setting up Face ID till later today, but 
> ended up doing it, just because that seems like the only way I can unlock 
> my phone.  Setting up Face ID was not too bad.  There was some trial and 
> error, it probably took me three attempts or so to get it set up.  But 
> now that it is, it is working fine.
> 
> I know that some others' experiences have not been this awful.  I wonder 
> if any of what I experienced is carrier specific.  I'm with Verizon, so 
> other VZ users might want to have all this in mind.  I really haven't 
> even used the phone yet.  But I would say this.  If you upgrade, make 
> sure you have sighted assistance available, either via a friend or family 
> member, or by store personnel.
> Best,
> Donna
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Re: upgrade/activation of iPhone X one of the worst I've ever had

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Simon,

Yeah, I actually changed mine to every five minutes.  That's where I've always 
had it set.  That way, if you put your phone down to talk to someone, get a cup 
of coffee, etc. you don't have to unlock it again.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 3, 2017, at 11:46 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> That just reminded me that yes the auto lock of the phone is set by default 
> for 30 seconds,
> 
> I once up and running went in and changed this to 1 minute which makes a 
> major difference.
> 
> And yeah I think I had an issue such as the having to restart the screen / 
> phone but only once then I managed to get things done  but it is different.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Monday, 4 December 2017 7:16 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: upgrade/activation of iPhone X one of the worst I've ever had
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> For those of you still on the fence, I thought I'd post my experience thus 
> far.
> 
> I finally have my iPhone X activated, but it has been one of the worst 
> upgrade processes I've ever been through.  There were several issues.
> 
> First, every time the screen dimmed--which, given that this was a new phone 
> was approximately every minute--when I pressed the power button I was taken 
> to a screen where my only option was to click on phone info.  The only way 
> out of this screen was to invoke a force shut, reset the phone and start 
> over.  I probably went through that process five times before all was said 
> and done.  Thank you, thank you, thank you, Mark for posting the article 
> about how to do that.  Without that information, I would have had to give up 
> and go to the Verizon store.
> 
> Second, I had to upgrade to IOS 11.02.  This presented two problems.  First, 
> given the issue I describe above, this meant I had to sit with my phone in my 
> hand, and make sure the screen never dimmed, because if it did, the upgrade 
> stopped.  Then, once I finally got to the "Preparing Update" message, the 
> phone was stuck there for a good 20 minutes.  I actually had to go through 
> this process twice to get to the point where the update was installed.
> 
> Then, once that was done, I was unable to unlock the phone without sighted 
> assistance, because I kept being taken to a screen similar to that described 
> in the first paragraph.  There was a swipe to unlock button, but I was unable 
> to activate it with Voiceover.  The only way to unlock the phone was to have 
> my husband come and swipe the unlock button.  I had planned to hold off on 
> setting up Face ID till later today, but ended up doing it, just because that 
> seems like the only way I can unlock my phone.  Setting up Face ID was not 
> too bad.  There was some trial and error, it probably took me three attempts 
> or so to get it set up.  But now that it is, it is working fine.
> 
> I know that some others' experiences have not been this awful.  I wonder if 
> any of what I experienced is carrier specific.  I'm with Verizon, so other VZ 
> users might want to have all this in mind.  I really haven't even used the 
> phone yet.  But I would say this.  If you upgrade, make sure you have sighted 
> assistance available, either via a friend or family member, or by store 
> personnel.
> Best,
> Donna
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Re: Helps from iPhone X users, weird unexitable unlock screen

[Donna Goodin]

Thanks, Simon.  I wasn't getting the start over screen unless I force shut down 
the phone.  but all is well, now.  Thanks for the tip.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 3, 2017, at 11:35 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> I'm interested you get a *** 
> I don't remember getting those characters on that screen!
> LOL...
> 
> If you let the phone lock again and then double tap the screen twice to wake 
> it,
> Then put one finger at the bottom of the screen right on the edge and then 
> slide that finger up the screen firmly until you feel a vibration  then lift 
> your finger,
> 
> You should then either have the pin code field or if you have setup face id 
> it should work here also.
> 
> If you haven't yet set tose up then you should get a start over / again or 
> similar type screen,
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Simon F
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Monday, 4 December 2017 2:26 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Helps from iPhone X users, weird unexitable unlock screen
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So I'm trying to set up my X.  Every time the screen dims, I end up at the 
> stupid unlock screen, where my only option  is to click on More Info, which 
> shows me the phone info: EMEI, etc.  There is no way out of this screen, as 
> the Home button is dimmed.  A couple of times I was able to force shut down 
> the phone, and then re-start, but the last time I force shut down the phone, 
> it just booted back up to this stupid annoying screen.  Did anyone else get 
> this screen?  What do you do to get the  out of it?
> Thanks,
> Donna
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Using Ms office 2016 in my mac

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all:

don't know if this the right decision or not, but I decided to use the
Ms Office 2016 on mac or windows  to write down and finish my PHD
research.

- Is tehere any good book or podcast that explain the app from a voice
over prospective?
I have many reasons  which push me to take this decision:
1- If I  Need any help in using pages, with some Arabic minor
problems, don't think that anyone can ehlp me.
2- When converting the Pages document to docx file, some times, the
format changes, and some times I need to do thos, to let a sited
people look to see if I'm doing ok or not.
3- I'm not so familiar with ms 2016  products, bu the Office in
general is not  so strange for me. the pages, after Reading the Mymac
pages, it seems very easy, but when using the Arabic letters,
don't know the results.
4- In some situations,  our Uinversity asks  us to use strange
styloes, and don't know if I can achieve them using Ms Pages or not

THanks for reading, and correct me if I'm wrong.



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Re: Making table of contents, and splitting to sections?

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi Anne:

Thanks so much for your reply
I found those information in your BOok
Very helpful

Thanks again



On 12/1/17, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> Hello Ramy,
>
> If I understand you correctly, you should be able to do what you want in
> Pages. It’s explained in my book in the chapter on the Table of Contents
> formatter. You have to create a table of contents first, then go to the
> formatter and set which paragraph styles should appear in it.
> Creating sections is dealt with earlier in the book.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
>
>> On 30 Nov 2017, at 19:39, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all:
>>
>> I need to make a table of contents a t the end of my research.
>>
>> In MS Office, I can choose the hiddings to be in 1 table of contents.
>> is it available In Pages?
>>
>> my 2nd question is:
>> my research contains 4 chapters, I need to split them into sections,
>> to make some number modifications etc.
>> Is it possible?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
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Re: I went to buy an iPhone X. T-Mobile told me it wasn't worth it - CNET

[lenron brown]

I am happy to be able to get on well with IOS and android. After I am
done with my 7plus who knows where I will go. Last couple of years I
needed an IPhone, but I have no brand bias.

On 12/4/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
>  Again a great article.
>
>  Yeah it's an interesting question the selling mobile devices, with that
> platform etc.
>
>  I've just had an email from a fellow blind person here in NZ who has just
> purchased 2 iPhone 8 devices one for him and one for his wife who isn't
> blind
> He's asking whether he should or needs to purchase trend micro antivirus for
> their mobiles as this is what the sales person that sold them the phones is
> trying to tell them they need.
>
>  I told him in no way was any antivirus software needed on his phone and
> this was just a sales pitch from the sales man to get more money out of
> them.
>
>  Some of these sales people really push and in NZ's don't really know what
> they are talking about.
>
>  The majority of my work team have androids
> That's 8 out of 13,
>  I'm the only one with an x but I've got a slightly older Samsung simply
> because I want to know how the android platform works so I can assist other
> staff.
>
> I also do a lot of work in conjunction with our mobile service provider who
> is an android fan boy,
>  But both of us think that it's up to the user which platform they go for,
> there is no push by either towards either playform,
>
>  If money is an issue then android is the way to go,
> If your use to an iPhone then stay
>
> -Original Message-
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: I went to buy an iPhone X. T-Mobile told me it wasn't worth it -
> CNET
>
> I went to buy an iPhone X. T-Mobile told me it wasn't worth it
> Commentary: A visit to a T-Mobile store reveals some very particular
> feelings about Apple's new phone.
> December 3, 2017 9:00 AM PST
>
> Not worth it?
> César Salza / CNET
> I think of T-Mobile most often when I see it's insulted Verizon and when I
> see someone wear a pink tutu at a party.
> Still, it's presented itself very well over the last couple of years as the
> carrier that thinks most about customers, especially with its push toward
> unlimited data.
> Could it possibly be the store that would guide me toward buying the right
> phone?
> Regular readers might know that I've been visiting various retailers to see
> how they present different phones to customers. You know, in person.
> I've been to both a Verizon store and a Best Buy to learn about Pixel 2. In
> both cases, I was guided toward a Samsung Galaxy.
> I went to an AT store, where I was told that the Galaxy Note 8 was a
> better phone than the iPhone X.
> What would T-Mobile tell me?
> I was moved to visit, as the carrier offered a 2-for-1 promotion on the
> iPhone 8 last week.
> Did this mean that T-Mobile was selling so many iPhone X's that it was
> desperate to get rid of the lesser upgrade from last year's phone?
> Was iPhone X the phone that would tear me away from my trusty, now slightly
> rusty-looking iPhone 6?
> I went to a San Francisco Bay Area T-Mobile store to find out.
> It all started well enough
> A sprightly salesman approached me as I looked over the iPhone range.
> I showed him my iPhone 6. He didn't sneer. This was a good start. Not
> everyone looks so kindly on old phones in the Bay Area.
> He swiftly dismissed the iPhone 8 as a minor upgrade.
> "You've got wireless charging, faster processor and you've got the glass
> back. But it's pretty much the same phone as the one you've got," he said.
> "But wait. Don't you have a 2-for-1 promotion going on for these right
> now?"
> "That ended Monday. We've got a 2-for-1 on the Samsungs, but not on the
> 8's."
> Was this the moment I was going to be told Samsungs were better? Not yet, it
> seemed.
> "Oh, so did you have the promotion because you needed to get rid of a lot of
> 8's?" I asked.
> "No," he replied, a little too quickly. "It was just a promotion."
> I then asked him about the iPhone X. He couldn't show me how Face ID works,
> because each phone can only work with one person's face.
> He insisted, though, that it was secure. "I think there's a million-to-one
> chance that someone else's face will open your phone," he said.
> iPhone X? It's not worth the extra 200 bucks Then things took a strange
> turn.
> He suddenly volunteered that it took more time to get to all your apps on
> the X than it did with the iPhone 8 Plus.
> "With the 8 Plus, you just double-click on the home button and, look, there
> they all are," he said. "With iPhone X, it's messier." He showed me how much
> messier, as he made several gestures to achieve the same effect.
> So the future of the smartphone takes you back in time, not forward?
> "A lot of people aren't buying the X because they miss the home button," 

RE: OMG! Texting is 25 years old - CNET

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah heard this tonight,

I wonder what would have been replied to if it was possible.

 May be,

 "New Phone, who Dis?"


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Subject: OMG! Texting is 25 years old - CNET

OMG! Texting is 25 years old
The first SMS was sent on Dec. 3, 1992, but it would be a couple of years 
before phones could do it.
December 3, 2017 4:20 PM PST

Texting turned 25 on Sunday, ICYMI.
The first text message was sent on Dec. 3, 1992, by British engineer Neil 
Papworth to Richard Jarvis, an executive at British telecom Vodafone, who was 
attending his company's holiday party in Newbury, England. 
Typed out on a PC, it was sent to Jarvis's Orbitel 901, a mobile phone that 
would take up most of your laptop backpack, and read: Merry Christmas. But 
Jarvis didn't send a reply because there was no way to send a text from a phone 
in those days.
Although Papworth is credited with sending the first text message, he's not the 
so-called father of SMS. That honor (or blame) falls on Matti Makkonen, who 
initially suggested the idea back in 1984 at a telecommunications conference. 
But texting didn't take off over night. First it had to be incorporated into 
the then-budding GSM standard. Makkonen feels the technology actually was 
launched in 1994 when Nokia unveiled its 2010 mobile phone, the first device 
that let people easily write messages.
Today, about 97 percent of smartphone owners use text messaging, according to 
Pew Research, and along the way, a new set of sub-languages based on 
abbreviations and keyboard-based imagery has evolved. More than 561 billion 
text messages were sent worldwide in June 2014, about 18.7 billion texts sent 
every day, according researcher TextRequest.
Texting has become so popular that most Americans would rather type it than say 
it. US smartphone users are sending and receiving five times as many texts 
compared with the number of phone calls each day, according to the 
International Smartphone Mobility Report by mobile data tracking firm Infomate.
Isn't that GR8?

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RE: I went to buy an iPhone X. T-Mobile told me it wasn't worth it - CNET

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mark,

 Again a great article.

 Yeah it's an interesting question the selling mobile devices, with that 
platform etc.

 I've just had an email from a fellow blind person here in NZ who has just 
purchased 2 iPhone 8 devices one for him and one for his wife who isn't blind 
He's asking whether he should or needs to purchase trend micro antivirus for 
their mobiles as this is what the sales person that sold them the phones is 
trying to tell them they need.

 I told him in no way was any antivirus software needed on his phone and this 
was just a sales pitch from the sales man to get more money out of them.

 Some of these sales people really push and in NZ's don't really know what they 
are talking about.

 The majority of my work team have androids 
That's 8 out of 13,
 I'm the only one with an x but I've got a slightly older Samsung simply 
because I want to know how the android platform works so I can assist other 
staff.

I also do a lot of work in conjunction with our mobile service provider who is 
an android fan boy,
 But both of us think that it's up to the user which platform they go for, 
there is no push by either towards either playform,

 If money is an issue then android is the way to go,
If your use to an iPhone then stay

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I went to buy an iPhone X. T-Mobile told me it wasn't worth it
Commentary: A visit to a T-Mobile store reveals some very particular feelings 
about Apple's new phone.
December 3, 2017 9:00 AM PST
 
Not worth it?
César Salza / CNET
I think of T-Mobile most often when I see it's insulted Verizon and when I see 
someone wear a pink tutu at a party.
Still, it's presented itself very well over the last couple of years as the 
carrier that thinks most about customers, especially with its push toward 
unlimited data.
Could it possibly be the store that would guide me toward buying the right 
phone?
Regular readers might know that I've been visiting various retailers to see how 
they present different phones to customers. You know, in person.
I've been to both a Verizon store and a Best Buy to learn about Pixel 2. In 
both cases, I was guided toward a Samsung Galaxy.
I went to an AT store, where I was told that the Galaxy Note 8 was a better 
phone than the iPhone X. 
What would T-Mobile tell me? 
I was moved to visit, as the carrier offered a 2-for-1 promotion on the iPhone 
8 last week. 
Did this mean that T-Mobile was selling so many iPhone X's that it was 
desperate to get rid of the lesser upgrade from last year's phone? 
Was iPhone X the phone that would tear me away from my trusty, now slightly 
rusty-looking iPhone 6?
I went to a San Francisco Bay Area T-Mobile store to find out. 
It all started well enough
A sprightly salesman approached me as I looked over the iPhone range.
I showed him my iPhone 6. He didn't sneer. This was a good start. Not everyone 
looks so kindly on old phones in the Bay Area.
He swiftly dismissed the iPhone 8 as a minor upgrade. 
"You've got wireless charging, faster processor and you've got the glass back. 
But it's pretty much the same phone as the one you've got," he said.
"But wait. Don't you have a 2-for-1 promotion going on for these right now?"
"That ended Monday. We've got a 2-for-1 on the Samsungs, but not on the 8's."
Was this the moment I was going to be told Samsungs were better? Not yet, it 
seemed.
"Oh, so did you have the promotion because you needed to get rid of a lot of 
8's?" I asked.
"No," he replied, a little too quickly. "It was just a promotion."
I then asked him about the iPhone X. He couldn't show me how Face ID works, 
because each phone can only work with one person's face. 
He insisted, though, that it was secure. "I think there's a million-to-one 
chance that someone else's face will open your phone," he said.
iPhone X? It's not worth the extra 200 bucks Then things took a strange turn.
He suddenly volunteered that it took more time to get to all your apps on the X 
than it did with the iPhone 8 Plus.
"With the 8 Plus, you just double-click on the home button and, look, there 
they all are," he said. "With iPhone X, it's messier." He showed me how much 
messier, as he made several gestures to achieve the same effect.
So the future of the smartphone takes you back in time, not forward?
"A lot of people aren't buying the X because they miss the home button," he 
said. "Look, there's not much difference between the X and the 8 Plus. The 
camera's the same, the screen size is almost the same. All the iPhone people in 
this store upgraded to an 8 Plus, not an X."
"Why?"
"Because they didn't think the X was worth the extra 200 bucks."
I confess to being surprised. I've enjoyed the candor of all the salespeople 
I've talked to. But here was