Re: Drag and Drop

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Thanks Tim. It did work to out a Safari bookmark on the desktop. SI 
reckon it works.


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On 6/8/2019 7:32 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

The old fashioned method makes you navigate to the item you wish to 
drag, make sure the mouse cursor is brought to the VO cursor with 
VO-cmd-f5, then press VO-cmd-shift-space to mouse down, navigate to the 
desired location for the drop, bring the mouse cursor to the VO cursor 
using the same combination mentioned before, then press 
VO-cmd-shift-space to mouse-up.  I usually don't use this for simple 
folder moves in the Finder, I would normally just use the cmd-c then 
cmd-option-v to move.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)


Jamf Certified Associate
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On Jun 8, 2019, at 20:27, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


   I thought I had used this before but need a refresher. I tested by 
attempting to move a folder from one Finder window to another. Thanks.


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Re: mac book pro 2017

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

So, I've been playing pretending I didn't have the boot chime and simply
holding in option for a longish time while pressing the power button
second.

I still want the chime, but I can see making it without it. I can
reliably get to all three of my available environments.

I'd go for the greater processing power of the I7. In the grand scheme
of things, that's a steal for only $50, because you get to live with the
benefits for a long time.

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Na,
> 
>  I've made up my mind as to which one to get.
> 
>  And then cancelled at the last moment the choice I made.
> I've got a choice of 2 machines,
> The only difference is one has the I7 2.5GHz processor 
> an the other has the I5 2.3GHz processor,
>  other than that, they are the pro 13.3"  with 16GB ram,
> 512GB ssd,
>  Although one is release date 2017,
> The other is new as of purchase time.
>  There is only $50 for the upgrade to the I7.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2019 2:37 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: mac book pro 2017
> 
> Simon, it sounds to me like you're weighing the trade-offs with a clear head. 
> Good luck! I expect a few of us will be interested to hear what you decide 
> and how it works out.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
> > Hi Janina,
> > 
> >  The 2017 I7 2.5GHz 16GB ram & 512GB ssd pro has 2 USB-C ports for 
> > charging and connectivity  to go with a crazy new Zealand price of 
> > $3179.00 That's a refurbished price, Brand new RRP is approx. 600 more.
> > 
> > But it would be my first choice
> > 
> > I'm thinking over the weekend on what device to purchase.
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > 
> > Sent: Saturday, 8 June 2019 1:54 AM
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: mac book pro 2017
> > 
> > Simon:
> > 
> > That 2017 Pro with an I7 and 16 Gb RAM sounds a lot better. It should have 
> > a pretty compelling price, because I should think that's pretty baseline 
> > specs for 64bit Windows 10 under Bootcamp--especially if you also want to 
> > run the Windows in some kind of vm.
> > 
> > For me it would also need USB 3 ports, at least one, as I've got Linux 
> > booting off a tiny 256 Gb USB 3 stick that sticks out less far than the 
> > charging connector on my Air.
> > 
> > Depending on the price and the weight, I will consider that one myself, 
> > because I'm looking to upgrade and get a few more years out of chiming 
> > boots.
> > 
> > I do think asking for "a long time" may be asking a bit much from this 
> > specification, though.It really does strike me as baseline today.
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Simon Fogarty writes:
> > > Hi Tim,
> > > 
> > > I’ve gotta couple of options,
> > > 
> > > The air would be a custom build to fully spec’ed out and yes still has 
> > > USB-A and thunderbolt 2.
> > > 
> > > But only 8GB ram,
> > > 
> > > I’m also looking at a 2017 I7 2.5GHz pro with 16gb ram and 512 GB 
> > > ssd, I’m not going to touch bar as that causes trouble with windows in 
> > > bootcamp.
> > > 
> > > Which ever I end up doing it’s a long term thing so it will have to be 
> > > considered carefully.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> > > 
> > > Sent: Friday, 7 June 2019 2:35 AM
> > > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: mac book pro 2017
> > > 
> > > Hi Simon,
> > > 
> > > Janina may be right :).  No, it doesn't have a boot chime.  I have a 
> > > similar model, but the 3.1 I5 processor and 16 GB of RAM.  It's the one 
> > > with the Touch Bar and 4 USB C ports.  I haven't had any problems with my 
> > > model although, like you, many don't like the feel of the butterfly keys, 
> > > and some are stuck on USB A ports, of which the MBP's have none.  Battery 
> > > life is good, but not excellent.  It's nice and light and handles 
> > > processing big jobs well.  If the price is right, I'd go for it.
> > > 
> > > Later...
> > > 
> > > Tim Kilburn
> > > Apple Teacher
> > > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > > 
> > > [cid:image001.jpg@01D51D78.1FAE3810]
> > > 
> > > Jamf Certified Associate
> > > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > > 
> > > On Jun 6, 2019, at 05:38, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > > mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hey, Simon. My wish for you is that someone returned these machines 
> > > because they'd heard there shouldn't be a boot chime any longer!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Janina
> > > 
> > > PS: I looked at the 2017 Air machines still available today. I'm 
> > > disappointed. It looks to me like the only advantage of leaving my
> > > 2014 Air for a 2017 model is a measly 4Gb more RAM. That's ain't 
> > > enough today, imo.
> > > 
> > > I'm back to looking at the small Thinkpad X1 Carbon machines for 
> > > laptops. I realize that would leave me out of the Apple eco system. 
> > > I am finding the new 

Re: Drag and Drop

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

The old fashioned method makes you navigate to the item you wish to drag, make 
sure the mouse cursor is brought to the VO cursor with VO-cmd-f5, then press 
VO-cmd-shift-space to mouse down, navigate to the desired location for the 
drop, bring the mouse cursor to the VO cursor using the same combination 
mentioned before, then press VO-cmd-shift-space to mouse-up.  I usually don't 
use this for simple folder moves in the Finder, I would normally just use the 
cmd-c then cmd-option-v to move.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)



Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 8, 2019, at 20:27, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

  I thought I had used this before but need a refresher. I tested by attempting 
to move a folder from one Finder window to another. Thanks.

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Drag and Drop

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   I thought I had used this before but need a refresher. I tested by 
attempting to move a folder from one Finder window to another. Thanks.


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Re: restart

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

It's in System Preferences, Energy Saver.

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On Jun 7, 2019, at 15:59, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I have my Mac Mini set to start again right away if it shuts down because the 
electricity goes off. I'd like to change this setting but I can't find it. can 
anybody tell me where it is?

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: Installing boot camp?

[Hayri Tulumcu]

You can only install win 8 ore win10

> Den 4. jun. 2019 kl. 13.53 skrev 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
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> Dear List,
> Yesterday my Mac updated, Now I can’t load windows.
> I used my phone to try to read the screen. It wasn’t too good, but It said 
> automatic repair could not repair disk errors.
> I don’t know what to do other than delete boot camp and start all over.
> I have a windows 7 PE disk with NVDA, But I can’t get it to boot.
> After hearing the mac chime, I hold the C key, but it loads the Mac OS 
> instead of the CD.
> 
> So Here is my question, What version of Windows can I install on a late 2015 
> iMac?
> I can’t remember what I used when I installed it the first time.
> Thanks in advance.
> Rob
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Re: Using selective sync in dropbox?

[Herman Fermin]

At the moment, you can’t. Or at least, VoiceOver does not tell you the state 
whether the folder is checked or unchecked. Please report it to the dropbox 
support so perhaps they will actually do something about it. They definitely 
are aware. That has been broken for quite awhile.




> On Jun 8, 2019, at 6:41 AM, Matt  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks.
> 
> I've been trying to figure this out.
> 
> On the windows side of dropbox, you can check, and uncheck, the folders you 
> don't want synced to your computer.
> 
> I can't seem to figure out how to do this on the mac side.
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RE: Map bug on iPhone

[M. Taylor]

Hello Robert,

I assure you that I, too, experience this same issue.  It has been around for 
the longest time.

However, a little bird, from the Apple orchard, sent me an email, a couple of 
days ago, stating that this glitch should be resolved in iOS13 and that I 
should update my bug report on it, once confirmed.

As yet, I have not downloaded a beta of iOS13 to confirm the claim, but we can 
certainly keep our proverbial fingers crossed, eh?

Happy Travels,

Mark


From: 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2019 6:14 AM
To: Email Groups
Subject: Map bug on iPhone

Dear List,
This bug from 2017  still exists.
Am I the only one who is having this problem?
Using a iPhone 7 with the latest IOS. 

Begin forwarded message:

From: Apple Accessibility 
Date: October 3, 2017 at 7:01:02 PM EDT
To: mr.robertc...@icloud.com
Subject: Re: iOS 11 Maps App Card Grabber TimeOut VoiceOver Bug; Follow-up: 
674583055

Hello Robert,

Thank you for writing to Apple Accessibility. We appreciate your feedback. 
In our testing, we found that the Details overlay is dismissed regardless of 
whether you are using VoiceOver. We will pass this report along to the 
appropriate team.

Sincerely,

Apple Accessibility

On September 29, 2017 at 20:40:37 PM GMT, mr.robertc...@icloud.com wrote:

IOS 10 and 
iOS 11 Maps App Card Grabber TimeOut VoiceOver Bug

DESCRIPTION:
In iOS 11, only when VoiceOver is enabled, the full-screen Card Grabber
display, times-out after 10 seconds, when reviewing the live route details
list.

Steps to Reproduce:

1.
Make certain that VoiceOver is enabled.

2.
Open Map and activate a route by selecting a destination and tapping the GO
button.  Siri will announce a direction instruction; for example, "In one
mile, turn left onto Main Street."  

3.
Single-finger, double-tap the "Arrival" label, located near the lower left
of the display in order to activate the Card Grabber which will bring up
various route options.

4.
Select Details.  A directions list will be displayed.  Unlike for a
non-VoiceOver user, for whom this list will remain on the screen until the
DONE button is activated, after approximately ten seconds with or without
screen activity, the list will disappear as if the VoiceOver user activated
the DONE button.


Please check this out.

Thank You,
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Re: Encrypt.me vpn & accessibility good news

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, I’ll forward this link to the team in question.

Many thanks

Andrew
> On Jun 7, 2019, at 9:00 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> Did you get them this Apple link?
> https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/Accessibility/Conceptual/AccessibilityMacOSX/
>  
> 
> Its very helpful and takes the guess work out of VoiceOver Accessibility. :)
> HTH
> Chuck
> 
> On Jun 7, 2019, at 2:31 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I’ve been using for some time encrypt.me  VPN service.  
>> It’s a paid service but I have found their application fairly simple in 
>> terms of accessibility.  They have just changed their top people - and since 
>> I’m on their mailing list - I got to know about it and received a hello 
>> message.  I took the opportunity to write to the responsible person, Terry 
>> Myers to make him aware that accessibility of his service and apps are very 
>> important to visually impaired users.  He responded very quickly with a very 
>> positive message and a commitment to work with his team towards making 
>> encrypt.me  & the related apps on all platforms fully 
>> accessible.  I paste his responses to me below in inverted comas.
>> 
>> "You are the 2nd person to reach out to me about this. I'm going to make it 
>> my priority to ensure that we provide improved accessibility for all our 
>> users.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Terry”
>> 
>> "
>> I wanted to provide an update.
>> 
>> I spoke with our Head of Development yesterday. He's briefed the team this 
>> morning, and they're starting the process of exploring the accessibility 
>> features in each operating system.
>> 
>> We are well versed with iOS' voiceover protocol. Windows also has a wide 
>> featureset, which we need to explore. Android is something we need to do 
>> more research on.
>> 
>> We are also investigating the possibility of using a monochrome theme, for 
>> our visually impaired users. We are exploring the feasibility of this now.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Terry"
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Dictation feature on the Mac

[Phil Halton]

I’m using High Sierra on a Mac and I’m having a lot of trouble with the 
dictation feature. I have enable dictation, and I have also enabled the 
commanders feature where you can issue a command by saying computer select acts 
etc. I’ve been shut off the commands feature and now when I dictate the system 
seems to confuse what I’m dictating with a command and it gives me the swish 
sound it says the command failed. I cannot seem to disassociate dictation from 
issuing the commands. Is anybody using this feature with any success? Also, I 
know that hitting the function key twice initiates dictation, and gives a bell 
sound, but how exactly do you shut off dictation? I would assume it’s hitting 
the function key twice again, but it doesn’t give any indication that dictation 
has been shut off. Any help appreciated Sent from my IPhone

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Re: Shortcut to Navigation Bar in iTunes

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Thought there was. Ok that sort of works depending on where you are 
in iTunes. VO-left and right work as well.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/8/2019 9:01 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

Hello E.T.,
I’ve never heard of such a shortcut. If you’re talking about the row that 
starts with the Back button, going to first item then doing VO-Down Arrow takes 
you there.

Cheers,

Anne





On 8 Jun 2019, at 02:53, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   Ia that the correct term, Navigation Bar? What is the shortcut for that? 
Thanks.

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Re: Shortcut to Navigation Bar in iTunes

[Anne Robertson]

Hello E.T.,
I’ve never heard of such a shortcut. If you’re talking about the row that 
starts with the Back button, going to first item then doing VO-Down Arrow takes 
you there.

Cheers,

Anne




> On 8 Jun 2019, at 02:53, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
>   Ia that the correct term, Navigation Bar? What is the shortcut for that? 
> Thanks.
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> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
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Re: Message Filters

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks for the tip, Simon. I'll take it off my guilt list for now! 

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hey there Janina,
> 
>  It's changed in a big way.
> 
> If your talking about the edge from windows 10  then forget it,
> The new version has to my knowledge not yet been released unless others have 
> it from windows 10 19/03 
> This new version is chrome with Microsoft branding. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2019 2:40 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Message Filters
> 
> Simon, You're describing my sure method for identifying when I've become 
> seriously comfortable with a particular piece of software.
> 
> Example: When I start issuing Lynx keystrokes while using Firefox, that tells 
> me I've gotten pretty comfortable with Firefox.
> 
> My biggest problem with Edge is that I've been avoiding it recently. I grew 
> alergic to it because it was pushing far too many ads at me. I will doubtless 
> give it another go at some point.
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
> > Hi Janina,
> > 
> >  Edge is a nice browser though,
> > Infact the biggest problem I'm having with it is Is whether it's edge 
> > or chrome, They are bloody hard to see the difference in.
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > 
> > Sent: Saturday, 8 June 2019 2:14 AM
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Message Filters
> > 
> > Yeah, but not really, because Edge and Chrome are now both using the same 
> > Google Blink rendering back end for their browsers.
> > 
> > https://www.tomshardware.com/news/microsoft-edge-google-chrome-chromiu
> > m,38192.html
> > 
> > 
> > In a way this is good news. In another way it's scary, imo, because it 
> > threatens to squeeze everyone else out, i.e. domination and horizontal 
> > monopoly.
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Simon Fogarty writes:
> > > And hey if you’re a sucker for craziness,
> > > 
> > > A company called Microsoft are meant to be releasing a new browser called 
> > > Edge to the MacOS plat form.
> > > Might be worth a look.
> > > 
> > > From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> > > 
> > > Sent: Friday, 7 June 2019 6:20 AM
> > > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: Message Filters
> > > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > Oops, I forgot to answer the first question.  No, I don't think that it's 
> > > any better in Chrome.  You're welcome to give it a try though.
> > > 
> > > Later...
> > > 
> > > Tim Kilburn
> > > Apple Teacher
> > > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > > 
> > > [cid:image001.jpg@01D51D79.95610730]
> > > 
> > > Jamf Certified Associate
> > > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > > 
> > > On Jun 6, 2019, at 12:18, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> > > mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I have Chrome installed with ChromeVox as well.  Chrome works better in 
> > > all the Googly things, and better in some other things, but I just use it 
> > > when Safari is being uncooperative.
> > > 
> > > Later...
> > > 
> > > Tim Kilburn
> > > Apple Teacher
> > > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > > 
> > > mailto:jamf-certified-associ
> > > at
> > > e-bad...@2x.jpg>>
> > > 
> > > Jamf Certified Associate
> > > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > > 
> > > On Jun 6, 2019, at 12:02, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> > > mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > >   Is it any better in Chrome? Is Chrome worth installing in general?
> > > 
> > > >From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> > >   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > > Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
> > > true?
> > > 
> > > On 6/6/2019 7:39 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hi,
> > > Yeah, I don't find the iCloud web interface particularly friendly.   
> > > Usable, yes, but not great from a screen reader user prospective.
> > > Later...
> > > Tim Kilburn
> > > Apple Teacher
> > > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Jamf Certified Associate Fort 
> > > McMurray, AB Canada On Jun 5, 2019, at 13:01, 'E.T.' via 
> > > MacVisionaries 
> > > mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> > > > wrote:
> > >   Ok. What I had trouble with was using the various menu buttons to add 
> > > the information and elements like. name or email address, then, choosing 
> > > the action which in m case would be, move to folder.
> > > >From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> > > ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > > 
> > > Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
> > > true?
> > > On 6/5/2019 11:44 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hi,
> > > Normally, filters created on your Mac only affect the Mac.  Filters 
> > > created in iCloud affect the iCloud Mail on all devices.  I'm not sure if 
> > > Apple has im

RE: Message Filters

[Simon Fogarty]

Hey there Janina,

 It's changed in a big way.

If your talking about the edge from windows 10  then forget it,
The new version has to my knowledge not yet been released unless others have it 
from windows 10 19/03 
This new version is chrome with Microsoft branding. 

-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2019 2:40 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Message Filters

Simon, You're describing my sure method for identifying when I've become 
seriously comfortable with a particular piece of software.

Example: When I start issuing Lynx keystrokes while using Firefox, that tells 
me I've gotten pretty comfortable with Firefox.

My biggest problem with Edge is that I've been avoiding it recently. I grew 
alergic to it because it was pushing far too many ads at me. I will doubtless 
give it another go at some point.

Janina


Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hi Janina,
> 
>  Edge is a nice browser though,
> Infact the biggest problem I'm having with it is Is whether it's edge 
> or chrome, They are bloody hard to see the difference in.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Sent: Saturday, 8 June 2019 2:14 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Message Filters
> 
> Yeah, but not really, because Edge and Chrome are now both using the same 
> Google Blink rendering back end for their browsers.
> 
> https://www.tomshardware.com/news/microsoft-edge-google-chrome-chromiu
> m,38192.html
> 
> 
> In a way this is good news. In another way it's scary, imo, because it 
> threatens to squeeze everyone else out, i.e. domination and horizontal 
> monopoly.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
> > And hey if you’re a sucker for craziness,
> > 
> > A company called Microsoft are meant to be releasing a new browser called 
> > Edge to the MacOS plat form.
> > Might be worth a look.
> > 
> > From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> > 
> > Sent: Friday, 7 June 2019 6:20 AM
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Message Filters
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Oops, I forgot to answer the first question.  No, I don't think that it's 
> > any better in Chrome.  You're welcome to give it a try though.
> > 
> > Later...
> > 
> > Tim Kilburn
> > Apple Teacher
> > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > 
> > [cid:image001.jpg@01D51D79.95610730]
> > 
> > Jamf Certified Associate
> > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > 
> > On Jun 6, 2019, at 12:18, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> > mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I have Chrome installed with ChromeVox as well.  Chrome works better in all 
> > the Googly things, and better in some other things, but I just use it when 
> > Safari is being uncooperative.
> > 
> > Later...
> > 
> > Tim Kilburn
> > Apple Teacher
> > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > 
> > mailto:jamf-certified-associ
> > at
> > e-bad...@2x.jpg>>
> > 
> > Jamf Certified Associate
> > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > 
> > On Jun 6, 2019, at 12:02, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> > mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> >   Is it any better in Chrome? Is Chrome worth installing in general?
> > 
> > >From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> >   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
> > true?
> > 
> > On 6/6/2019 7:39 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > Yeah, I don't find the iCloud web interface particularly friendly.   
> > Usable, yes, but not great from a screen reader user prospective.
> > Later...
> > Tim Kilburn
> > Apple Teacher
> > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Jamf Certified Associate Fort 
> > McMurray, AB Canada On Jun 5, 2019, at 13:01, 'E.T.' via 
> > MacVisionaries 
> > mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> > > wrote:
> >   Ok. What I had trouble with was using the various menu buttons to add the 
> > information and elements like. name or email address, then, choosing the 
> > action which in m case would be, move to folder.
> > >From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> > ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > 
> > Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
> > true?
> > On 6/5/2019 11:44 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > Normally, filters created on your Mac only affect the Mac.  Filters created 
> > in iCloud affect the iCloud Mail on all devices.  I'm not sure if Apple has 
> > improved on that at this point.
> > Later...
> > Tim Kilburn
> > Apple Teacher
> > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Jamf Certified Associate Fort 
> > McMurray, AB Canada On Jun 5, 2019, at 11:54, 'E.T.' via 
> > MacVisionaries 
> > mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> >  
> > > wrote:
> >   Is there an 

RE: mac book pro 2017

[Simon Fogarty]

Na,

 I've made up my mind as to which one to get.

 And then cancelled at the last moment the choice I made.
I've got a choice of 2 machines,
The only difference is one has the I7 2.5GHz processor 
an the other has the I5 2.3GHz processor,
 other than that, they are the pro 13.3"  with 16GB ram,
512GB ssd,
 Although one is release date 2017,
The other is new as of purchase time.
 There is only $50 for the upgrade to the I7.



-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2019 2:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: mac book pro 2017

Simon, it sounds to me like you're weighing the trade-offs with a clear head. 
Good luck! I expect a few of us will be interested to hear what you decide and 
how it works out.

Best,

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hi Janina,
> 
>  The 2017 I7 2.5GHz 16GB ram & 512GB ssd pro has 2 USB-C ports for 
> charging and connectivity  to go with a crazy new Zealand price of 
> $3179.00 That's a refurbished price, Brand new RRP is approx. 600 more.
> 
> But it would be my first choice
> 
> I'm thinking over the weekend on what device to purchase.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Sent: Saturday, 8 June 2019 1:54 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: mac book pro 2017
> 
> Simon:
> 
> That 2017 Pro with an I7 and 16 Gb RAM sounds a lot better. It should have a 
> pretty compelling price, because I should think that's pretty baseline specs 
> for 64bit Windows 10 under Bootcamp--especially if you also want to run the 
> Windows in some kind of vm.
> 
> For me it would also need USB 3 ports, at least one, as I've got Linux 
> booting off a tiny 256 Gb USB 3 stick that sticks out less far than the 
> charging connector on my Air.
> 
> Depending on the price and the weight, I will consider that one myself, 
> because I'm looking to upgrade and get a few more years out of chiming boots.
> 
> I do think asking for "a long time" may be asking a bit much from this 
> specification, though.It really does strike me as baseline today.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
> > Hi Tim,
> > 
> > I’ve gotta couple of options,
> > 
> > The air would be a custom build to fully spec’ed out and yes still has 
> > USB-A and thunderbolt 2.
> > 
> > But only 8GB ram,
> > 
> > I’m also looking at a 2017 I7 2.5GHz pro with 16gb ram and 512 GB 
> > ssd, I’m not going to touch bar as that causes trouble with windows in 
> > bootcamp.
> > 
> > Which ever I end up doing it’s a long term thing so it will have to be 
> > considered carefully.
> > 
> > 
> > From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> > 
> > Sent: Friday, 7 June 2019 2:35 AM
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: mac book pro 2017
> > 
> > Hi Simon,
> > 
> > Janina may be right :).  No, it doesn't have a boot chime.  I have a 
> > similar model, but the 3.1 I5 processor and 16 GB of RAM.  It's the one 
> > with the Touch Bar and 4 USB C ports.  I haven't had any problems with my 
> > model although, like you, many don't like the feel of the butterfly keys, 
> > and some are stuck on USB A ports, of which the MBP's have none.  Battery 
> > life is good, but not excellent.  It's nice and light and handles 
> > processing big jobs well.  If the price is right, I'd go for it.
> > 
> > Later...
> > 
> > Tim Kilburn
> > Apple Teacher
> > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > 
> > [cid:image001.jpg@01D51D78.1FAE3810]
> > 
> > Jamf Certified Associate
> > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > 
> > On Jun 6, 2019, at 05:38, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Hey, Simon. My wish for you is that someone returned these machines 
> > because they'd heard there shouldn't be a boot chime any longer!
> > 
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > PS: I looked at the 2017 Air machines still available today. I'm 
> > disappointed. It looks to me like the only advantage of leaving my
> > 2014 Air for a 2017 model is a measly 4Gb more RAM. That's ain't 
> > enough today, imo.
> > 
> > I'm back to looking at the small Thinkpad X1 Carbon machines for 
> > laptops. I realize that would leave me out of the Apple eco system. 
> > I am finding the new minis very attractive, so perhaps I'm thinking 
> > transitionally.
> > 
> > You all have gotten under my skin enough so that I don't really want 
> > to leave Apple out of my life. Heck, Safari has become my favorite 
> > gui browser in recent months. Go figure.
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Simon Fogarty writes:
> > 
> >  Hi List,
> > 
> > Just wondering if anyone on the list has a 2017 13.3" Mac book pro with 
> > 2.3GHz I5 prodessor?
> > 
> > I'm just looking at one of these model machines from the apple refurbished 
> > devices and wondered why such a nice sounding machine would have been 
> > returned to apple?
> > I just wondered if this might be a problematic model as there are 3 of them 
> > showing in t

Re: Message Filters

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Simon, You're describing my sure method for identifying when I've become
seriously comfortable with a particular piece of software.

Example: When I start issuing Lynx keystrokes while using Firefox, that
tells me I've gotten pretty comfortable with Firefox.

My biggest problem with Edge is that I've been avoiding it recently. I
grew alergic to it because it was pushing far too many ads at me. I will
doubtless give it another go at some point.

Janina


Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hi Janina,
> 
>  Edge is a nice browser though,
> Infact the biggest problem I'm having with it is 
> Is whether it's edge or chrome,
> They are bloody hard to see the difference in.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Saturday, 8 June 2019 2:14 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Message Filters
> 
> Yeah, but not really, because Edge and Chrome are now both using the same 
> Google Blink rendering back end for their browsers.
> 
> https://www.tomshardware.com/news/microsoft-edge-google-chrome-chromium,38192.html
> 
> 
> In a way this is good news. In another way it's scary, imo, because it 
> threatens to squeeze everyone else out, i.e. domination and horizontal 
> monopoly.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
> > And hey if you’re a sucker for craziness,
> > 
> > A company called Microsoft are meant to be releasing a new browser called 
> > Edge to the MacOS plat form.
> > Might be worth a look.
> > 
> > From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> > 
> > Sent: Friday, 7 June 2019 6:20 AM
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Message Filters
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Oops, I forgot to answer the first question.  No, I don't think that it's 
> > any better in Chrome.  You're welcome to give it a try though.
> > 
> > Later...
> > 
> > Tim Kilburn
> > Apple Teacher
> > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > 
> > [cid:image001.jpg@01D51D79.95610730]
> > 
> > Jamf Certified Associate
> > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > 
> > On Jun 6, 2019, at 12:18, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> > mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I have Chrome installed with ChromeVox as well.  Chrome works better in all 
> > the Googly things, and better in some other things, but I just use it when 
> > Safari is being uncooperative.
> > 
> > Later...
> > 
> > Tim Kilburn
> > Apple Teacher
> > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > 
> > mailto:jamf-certified-associat
> > e-bad...@2x.jpg>>
> > 
> > Jamf Certified Associate
> > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > 
> > On Jun 6, 2019, at 12:02, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> > mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> >   Is it any better in Chrome? Is Chrome worth installing in general?
> > 
> > >From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> >   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
> > true?
> > 
> > On 6/6/2019 7:39 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > Yeah, I don't find the iCloud web interface particularly friendly.   
> > Usable, yes, but not great from a screen reader user prospective.
> > Later...
> > Tim Kilburn
> > Apple Teacher
> > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > Jamf Certified Associate
> > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > On Jun 5, 2019, at 13:01, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> > mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> > > wrote:
> >   Ok. What I had trouble with was using the various menu buttons to add the 
> > information and elements like. name or email address, then, choosing the 
> > action which in m case would be, move to folder.
> > >From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> > ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> > 
> > Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
> > true?
> > On 6/5/2019 11:44 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > Normally, filters created on your Mac only affect the Mac.  Filters created 
> > in iCloud affect the iCloud Mail on all devices.  I'm not sure if Apple has 
> > improved on that at this point.
> > Later...
> > Tim Kilburn
> > Apple Teacher
> > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > Jamf Certified Associate
> > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > On Jun 5, 2019, at 11:54, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> > mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> >  
> > > wrote:
> >   Is there an advantage to setting u message filters on the iCloud web 
> > site? I did one this morning and thought it much more difficult than doing 
> > it in the mail preferences on the Mac.
> > >From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> > ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> >  
> > Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
> > true?
> > --
> > The

Re: mac book pro 2017

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Simon, it sounds to me like you're weighing the trade-offs with a clear
head. Good luck! I expect a few of us will be interested to hear what
you decide and how it works out.

Best,

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hi Janina,
> 
>  The 2017 I7 2.5GHz 16GB ram & 512GB ssd pro has 2 USB-C ports for charging 
> and connectivity  to go with a crazy new Zealand price of $3179.00
> That's a refurbished price, 
> Brand new RRP is approx. 600 more.
> 
> But it would be my first choice 
> 
> I'm thinking over the weekend on what device to purchase.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Saturday, 8 June 2019 1:54 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: mac book pro 2017
> 
> Simon:
> 
> That 2017 Pro with an I7 and 16 Gb RAM sounds a lot better. It should have a 
> pretty compelling price, because I should think that's pretty baseline specs 
> for 64bit Windows 10 under Bootcamp--especially if you also want to run the 
> Windows in some kind of vm.
> 
> For me it would also need USB 3 ports, at least one, as I've got Linux 
> booting off a tiny 256 Gb USB 3 stick that sticks out less far than the 
> charging connector on my Air.
> 
> Depending on the price and the weight, I will consider that one myself, 
> because I'm looking to upgrade and get a few more years out of chiming boots.
> 
> I do think asking for "a long time" may be asking a bit much from this 
> specification, though.It really does strike me as baseline today.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
> > Hi Tim,
> > 
> > I’ve gotta couple of options,
> > 
> > The air would be a custom build to fully spec’ed out and yes still has 
> > USB-A and thunderbolt 2.
> > 
> > But only 8GB ram,
> > 
> > I’m also looking at a 2017 I7 2.5GHz pro with 16gb ram and 512 GB ssd, 
> > I’m not going to touch bar as that causes trouble with windows in bootcamp.
> > 
> > Which ever I end up doing it’s a long term thing so it will have to be 
> > considered carefully.
> > 
> > 
> > From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> > 
> > Sent: Friday, 7 June 2019 2:35 AM
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: mac book pro 2017
> > 
> > Hi Simon,
> > 
> > Janina may be right :).  No, it doesn't have a boot chime.  I have a 
> > similar model, but the 3.1 I5 processor and 16 GB of RAM.  It's the one 
> > with the Touch Bar and 4 USB C ports.  I haven't had any problems with my 
> > model although, like you, many don't like the feel of the butterfly keys, 
> > and some are stuck on USB A ports, of which the MBP's have none.  Battery 
> > life is good, but not excellent.  It's nice and light and handles 
> > processing big jobs well.  If the price is right, I'd go for it.
> > 
> > Later...
> > 
> > Tim Kilburn
> > Apple Teacher
> > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > 
> > [cid:image001.jpg@01D51D78.1FAE3810]
> > 
> > Jamf Certified Associate
> > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > 
> > On Jun 6, 2019, at 05:38, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Hey, Simon. My wish for you is that someone returned these machines 
> > because they'd heard there shouldn't be a boot chime any longer! 
> > 
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > PS: I looked at the 2017 Air machines still available today. I'm 
> > disappointed. It looks to me like the only advantage of leaving my 
> > 2014 Air for a 2017 model is a measly 4Gb more RAM. That's ain't 
> > enough today, imo.
> > 
> > I'm back to looking at the small Thinkpad X1 Carbon machines for 
> > laptops. I realize that would leave me out of the Apple eco system. I 
> > am finding the new minis very attractive, so perhaps I'm thinking 
> > transitionally.
> > 
> > You all have gotten under my skin enough so that I don't really want 
> > to leave Apple out of my life. Heck, Safari has become my favorite gui 
> > browser in recent months. Go figure.
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Simon Fogarty writes:
> > 
> >  Hi List,
> > 
> > Just wondering if anyone on the list has a 2017 13.3" Mac book pro with 
> > 2.3GHz I5 prodessor?
> > 
> > I'm just looking at one of these model machines from the apple refurbished 
> > devices and wondered why such a nice sounding machine would have been 
> > returned to apple?
> > I just wondered if this might be a problematic model as there are 3 of them 
> > showing in the NZ apple website refurbished list.
> > 
> > Cheers for any information.
> > 
> > 
> > Simon f
> > 
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Using selective sync in dropbox?

[Matt]

Hi folks.

I've been trying to figure this out.

On the windows side of dropbox, you can check, and uncheck, the folders 
you don't want synced to your computer.


I can't seem to figure out how to do this on the mac side.

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Re: Playing the King's corner on Ios 12

[Bob Hill]

Hi Ramy, 
To move a card, you need to double-tap and hold on the card you want to move, 
then drag it to the card you want to place it on. 

Bob 



Sent from Bob's iPhone  7 

> On Jun 8, 2019, at 8:34 AM, Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> 
> I had the King’s corner game from many years, but i decided to play just 
> yesterday, do not know if i forgot something, but the cards are not movable, 
> i hit double tab on a card and try to move it, VO tells me the Distination 
> card, but leaving my card did not move the card on it. did the accessibility 
> broken or what?
> I have the latest version, on Ios 12.3.31
> Thanks in advance 
> 
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Re: Adjusting Individual Audio Sources on the Mac

[Robert Carter]

Hi Kelly,

No. SoundSource is a fairly new application. They have just released a new 
version.

Here is a link.
SoundSource 

Robert


> On Jun 7, 2019, at 8:08 PM, kelly ford  wrote:
> 
> Hi Robert,
>  
> Is it possible this program was renamed?  So far the only program by the 
> company you mentioned I’m finding is called Fission.  It appears to be an 
> audio editor/converter.
>  
> Kelly
>  
> From:  on behalf of Robert Carter 
> 
> Reply-To: 
> Date: Friday, June 7, 2019 at 7:37 AM
> To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: Adjusting Individual Audio Sources on the Mac
>  
> Hi Kelly,
>  
> There is an app from Rogue Amoeba called SoundSource that will almost 
> certainly do what you want.
>  
> This is an application that lives in the extras menu. At the moment, there is 
> a VoiceOver bug that keeps the VoiceOver option+control+space command from 
> opening the SoundSource window. So, you have to click the trackpad to open 
> the program from the extras menu. I have reported this and it will be fixed 
> in an update.
>  
> Robert Carter
>  
>  
> 
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2019, at 8:51 PM, kelly ford > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi,
>>  
>> Is there any way to adjust the audio level for individual applications on 
>> the Mac?  I don’t mean audio ducking but rather setting the sound level for 
>> each program that’s producing audio.
>>  
>> I’m looking for something equivalent to opening the volume control on 
>> Windows where you can make individual adjustments.  I don’t know if 
>> something similar exists on the Mac?
>>  
>> Kelly
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Playing the King's corner on Ios 12

[Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر]

Hi:

I had the King’s corner game from many years, but i decided to play just 
yesterday, do not know if i forgot something, but the cards are not movable, i 
hit double tab on a card and try to move it, VO tells me the Distination card, 
but leaving my card did not move the card on it. did the accessibility broken 
or what?
I have the latest version, on Ios 12.3.31
Thanks in advance 

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Re: Playing Downtown Mafia , anyone here?

[Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر]

Just choose someone his or her mobs are less than you


> On May 14, 2019, at 5:40 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> How di I finally get back to winning these fights?  I think I’m equipped with 
> a boatload of armor/weapons, and even with my stamina/energy levels at 
> capacity, nothing seems to work.  What’s everybody’ secret?
> 
>> On May 14, 2019, at 7:34 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>> Ok i added you\
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 13, 2019, at 1:10 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 283 188 201
>>> 
 On May 13, 2019, at 6:24 AM, Ramy Moustafa  
 wrote:
 
 Give me ur code to add u
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On May 13, 2019, at 3:19 AM, Jessica Moss  
> wrote:
> 
> Same, it can be fun, but I now find that I’m losing all the fights, and 
> get constant notifications that random people have attacked me.  I think 
> I’m on level 9 already, but not 100% sure how I managed to get that far, 
> aside from gradually completing missions, which will exhaust you fast.  I 
> managed to add someone to my mob once without knowing their code, but now 
> can’t figure out how on Earth I did it, and so my mob only has 1 other 
> person in it.
> 
>> On May 12, 2019, at 5:08 PM, Ibraheem Fakir  wrote:
>> 
>> Cant understand this game. Any advice? 
>> Thanks!
>> Ibraheem
>> 
>> 
>> Mistakes sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2019, at 8:21 AM, Jessica Moss  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Streetdogg51, still getting the hang of it though.
>>> 
 On May 11, 2019, at 7:37 PM, Maria Reyes  wrote:
 
 what is everyone's mob code?
 
> On May 11, 2019, at 7:32 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
>  wrote:
> 
> On facebook? was it accessible?
> 
>> On May 12, 2019, at 12:02 AM, Trey Bradley  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> This game is awesome it reminds me of the old Facebook game mafia 
>> wars.  It is accessible.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 8, 2019, at 8:11 AM, Ramy Moustafa 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Playing This game, abut need more helpful ideas, anyone is playing 
>>> this game now?
>>> 
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