Re: Can you attach names to faces in photos using Seeing AI?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Pramit,

Thanks so much for explaining this. I knew I had heard about that feature, so 
am glad to know that it really does exist, and also how to make it work.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Feb 17, 2020, at 8:13 PM, PRAMIT BHARGAVA  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> You'll have to initially identify the person before the Seeing AI app will 
> recognize the person independently. To add a person, select the Menu button 
> in the top left corner then select Face Recognition. This screen will display 
> the people that you have already identified. To identify a new person, select 
> the Add button. Initially the reverse camera will turn on and the app will 
> ask you to take three pictures of the person you would like to identify. 
> Either have the person hold the iPhone (as the reverse camera is activated) 
> or use the Switch to Back Camera button to take a picture of a person in 
> front of you. 
> 
> After doing the above when you'll use the Person feature, the app will 
> announce the name of the person along with the gender, age, hair color or 
> characteristic of the person and emotion of the person. Also while takinga 
> picture, the app provides directional guidance you so that you can center the 
> people in the picture.
> 
> Hope this helps
> 
> Pramit
> 
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 7:07 PM 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I thought I read that you could do that, but using the app to recognize a 
> photo, I'm not finding that option. Has anyone tried to assign a name to a 
> picture of a person in this app? If so, how did you do it?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Can you attach names to faces in photos using Seeing AI?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

You can also attach names to faces within the native Photos app.  It does not 
usually add the smiling, neutral or other expressions, but does recognize them 
across devices.  As far as I'm aware, the two services are totally independent, 
so that if you assign a name to a face in Seeing AI, it is not attached to the 
feature within the native Photos app.  If you don't have hundreds of names to 
assign to faces, you probably could use one to help you assign names in the 
other though.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 18, 2020, at 05:41, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi Pramit,

Thanks so much for explaining this. I knew I had heard about that feature, so 
am glad to know that it really does exist, and also how to make it work.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Feb 17, 2020, at 8:13 PM, PRAMIT BHARGAVA  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> You'll have to initially identify the person before the Seeing AI app will 
> recognize the person independently. To add a person, select the Menu button 
> in the top left corner then select Face Recognition. This screen will display 
> the people that you have already identified. To identify a new person, select 
> the Add button. Initially the reverse camera will turn on and the app will 
> ask you to take three pictures of the person you would like to identify. 
> Either have the person hold the iPhone (as the reverse camera is activated) 
> or use the Switch to Back Camera button to take a picture of a person in 
> front of you. 
> 
> After doing the above when you'll use the Person feature, the app will 
> announce the name of the person along with the gender, age, hair color or 
> characteristic of the person and emotion of the person. Also while takinga 
> picture, the app provides directional guidance you so that you can center the 
> people in the picture.
> 
> Hope this helps
> 
> Pramit
> 
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 7:07 PM 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I thought I read that you could do that, but using the app to recognize a 
> photo, I'm not finding that option. Has anyone tried to assign a name to a 
> picture of a person in this app? If so, how did you do it?
> TIA,
> Donna
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making google default inbox

[Patrick Ford]

Hi,
THe default inbox in apple mail for google was the google inbox. But now, 
somehow, all new mail arrives in the all mail box.
How do I get the google mail to use the google inbox once again?
Thanks.
patrick 

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Re: making google default inbox

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

All Google mail goes to the All Mail label no matter what.  That is the nature 
of the Google eMail service structure.  I suspect that you are simply focused 
on the All Mail label/mailbox instead of the main InBox for your Google 
account.  Do you have multiple accounts in the Mail app?  If not, then press 
cmd-1 to bring focus to the InBox.  If you do have multiple accounts, make sure 
that the Mailbox list is visible by pressing cmd-shift-m.  This command is a 
toggle, so it will show/hide the Mailbox list.  Once the Mailbox list is 
visible, navigate to it, interact with it, and navigate to the InBox for your 
Google account.  All your Google account InBox messages should still reside 
there.

HTH.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 18, 2020, at 08:19, Patrick Ford  wrote:

Hi,
THe default inbox in apple mail for google was the google inbox. But now, 
somehow, all new mail arrives in the all mail box.
How do I get the google mail to use the google inbox once again?
Thanks.
patrick 

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Re: Can you attach names to faces in photos using Seeing AI?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Oh, interesting. I didn't know you could do that. Thanks, Tim.
Donna


> On Feb 18, 2020, at 9:13 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> You can also attach names to faces within the native Photos app.  It does not 
> usually add the smiling, neutral or other expressions, but does recognize 
> them across devices.  As far as I'm aware, the two services are totally 
> independent, so that if you assign a name to a face in Seeing AI, it is not 
> attached to the feature within the native Photos app.  If you don't have 
> hundreds of names to assign to faces, you probably could use one to help you 
> assign names in the other though.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Feb 18, 2020, at 05:41, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Pramit,
> 
> Thanks so much for explaining this. I knew I had heard about that feature, so 
> am glad to know that it really does exist, and also how to make it work.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Feb 17, 2020, at 8:13 PM, PRAMIT BHARGAVA > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> You'll have to initially identify the person before the Seeing AI app will 
>> recognize the person independently. To add a person, select the Menu button 
>> in the top left corner then select Face Recognition. This screen will 
>> display the people that you have already identified. To identify a new 
>> person, select the Add button. Initially the reverse camera will turn on and 
>> the app will ask you to take three pictures of the person you would like to 
>> identify. Either have the person hold the iPhone (as the reverse camera is 
>> activated) or use the Switch to Back Camera button to take a picture of a 
>> person in front of you. 
>> 
>> After doing the above when you'll use the Person feature, the app will 
>> announce the name of the person along with the gender, age, hair color or 
>> characteristic of the person and emotion of the person. Also while takinga 
>> picture, the app provides directional guidance you so that you can center 
>> the people in the picture.
>> 
>> Hope this helps
>> 
>> Pramit
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 7:07 PM 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I thought I read that you could do that, but using the app to recognize a 
>> photo, I'm not finding that option. Has anyone tried to assign a name to a 
>> picture of a person in this app? If so, how did you do it?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: making google default inbox

[Patrick Ford]

Hi TIm,
Thank you for your help.
I do have two account; google and iCloud.
The way I hear the mailbox list is this:
at the top, there is inbox, under this there is iCloud and then google; then 
there is junk which under this has also iCloud and google; then there are the 
archive boxes, then important and then all mail. Now, under the word inbox at 
the top, there is google as i said, and this is where all the messages for my 
google account were going.
But this morning, after hitting a key or two three messages in the box were 
suddenly gone. And when I searched for them I found them first in archive, then 
later strangely, in all mail. And now all the mail goes in this box.
I am trying to understand what you are saying, but I am new to the mac book air 
so you are trying to guide me but I have little understanding so far. haha 
thanks so much though.
patrick 

> On Feb 18, 2020, at 10:45 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> All Google mail goes to the All Mail label no matter what.  That is the 
> nature of the Google eMail service structure.  I suspect that you are simply 
> focused on the All Mail label/mailbox instead of the main InBox for your 
> Google account.  Do you have multiple accounts in the Mail app?  If not, then 
> press cmd-1 to bring focus to the InBox.  If you do have multiple accounts, 
> make sure that the Mailbox list is visible by pressing cmd-shift-m.  This 
> command is a toggle, so it will show/hide the Mailbox list.  Once the Mailbox 
> list is visible, navigate to it, interact with it, and navigate to the InBox 
> for your Google account.  All your Google account InBox messages should still 
> reside there.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Feb 18, 2020, at 08:19, Patrick Ford  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> THe default inbox in apple mail for google was the google inbox. But now, 
> somehow, all new mail arrives in the all mail box.
> How do I get the google mail to use the google inbox once again?
> Thanks.
> patrick 
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Re: making google default inbox

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Patrick,

Google likes to do things a little different than most.  The things we know as 
mailboxes in most iMap mail accounts like iCloud and other services are known 
as labels in Google.  this is not just a semantic difference, but is just the 
way Google does things.  Apple Mail and other mail clients do some fancy coding 
to make Google's version of iMap work well within their environment.  Now, 
keeping this in mind, the All Mail label in Google is a collection of all your 
mail.  Whether it's also a part of other labels like InBox, Deleted Messages, 
Important, or anything that you may have created yourself, all messages that 
you receive are always a part of All Mail as well as being a part of the other 
mailbox, or mailboxes.  So, if you had some messages in your Google InBox at 
the top of your list as you mentioned, and if you accidentally deleted them, 
they would be removed from the InBox, be assigned the Deleted Items label and 
would remain within the All Mail labelled items.  New messages should still be 
labelled with the InBox label and thus show up under the Inbox, Google, mailbox 
within Apple Mail.  There are ways of configuring other labels to go to 
specific locations, but I'm not aware of being able to reassign the InBox.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 18, 2020, at 09:45, Patrick Ford  wrote:

Hi TIm,
Thank you for your help.
I do have two account; google and iCloud.
The way I hear the mailbox list is this:
at the top, there is inbox, under this there is iCloud and then google; then 
there is junk which under this has also iCloud and google; then there are the 
archive boxes, then important and then all mail. Now, under the word inbox at 
the top, there is google as i said, and this is where all the messages for my 
google account were going.
But this morning, after hitting a key or two three messages in the box were 
suddenly gone. And when I searched for them I found them first in archive, then 
later strangely, in all mail. And now all the mail goes in this box.
I am trying to understand what you are saying, but I am new to the mac book air 
so you are trying to guide me but I have little understanding so far. haha 
thanks so much though.
patrick 

> On Feb 18, 2020, at 10:45 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> All Google mail goes to the All Mail label no matter what.  That is the 
> nature of the Google eMail service structure.  I suspect that you are simply 
> focused on the All Mail label/mailbox instead of the main InBox for your 
> Google account.  Do you have multiple accounts in the Mail app?  If not, then 
> press cmd-1 to bring focus to the InBox.  If you do have multiple accounts, 
> make sure that the Mailbox list is visible by pressing cmd-shift-m.  This 
> command is a toggle, so it will show/hide the Mailbox list.  Once the Mailbox 
> list is visible, navigate to it, interact with it, and navigate to the InBox 
> for your Google account.  All your Google account InBox messages should still 
> reside there.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Feb 18, 2020, at 08:19, Patrick Ford  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> THe default inbox in apple mail for google was the google inbox. But now, 
> somehow, all new mail arrives in the all mail box.
> How do I get the google mail to use the google inbox once again?
> Thanks.
> patrick 
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Re: Accessible Terminal

[Nebojsa Tasic]

Hi Devin!


Is Emacs with Emacspeak the tool that can replace Voice Over?


On 13.2.2020. 16:40, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Try TDSR: https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr

If you want a more complete workspace, try Emacs with Emacspeak: 
https://gist.github.com/devinprater/a794a448ccc46e72fca63c932105c043




On Feb 13, 2020, at 3:02 AM, Nebojsa Tasic  wrote:


Hi All!


Could you recommend me a program or add-on for more accessible work in Terminal?


Thanks in advance.



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Re: making google default inbox

[Petrus Tuerlings]

So if I was to delete all of the messages in my All mail folder, would this 
delete them from the rest of my labeled folders? I have over 500 unread 
messages in my All Mail folder and thousands of read messages. I have folders 
created for any important emails I wish to keep so don’t see why I need to keep 
everything I’ve ever received in my All Mail folder. But if it’s going to cause 
problems if I delete them all I’ll just leave well enough alone. 

> On 19/02/2020, at 06:05, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Patrick,
> 
> Google likes to do things a little different than most.  The things we know 
> as mailboxes in most iMap mail accounts like iCloud and other services are 
> known as labels in Google.  this is not just a semantic difference, but is 
> just the way Google does things.  Apple Mail and other mail clients do some 
> fancy coding to make Google's version of iMap work well within their 
> environment.  Now, keeping this in mind, the All Mail label in Google is a 
> collection of all your mail.  Whether it's also a part of other labels like 
> InBox, Deleted Messages, Important, or anything that you may have created 
> yourself, all messages that you receive are always a part of All Mail as well 
> as being a part of the other mailbox, or mailboxes.  So, if you had some 
> messages in your Google InBox at the top of your list as you mentioned, and 
> if you accidentally deleted them, they would be removed from the InBox, be 
> assigned the Deleted Items label and would remain within the All Mail 
> labelled items.  New messages should still be labelled with the InBox label 
> and thus show up under the Inbox, Google, mailbox within Apple Mail.  There 
> are ways of configuring other labels to go to specific locations, but I'm not 
> aware of being able to reassign the InBox.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Feb 18, 2020, at 09:45, Patrick Ford  > wrote:
> 
> Hi TIm,
> Thank you for your help.
> I do have two account; google and iCloud.
> The way I hear the mailbox list is this:
> at the top, there is inbox, under this there is iCloud and then google; then 
> there is junk which under this has also iCloud and google; then there are the 
> archive boxes, then important and then all mail. Now, under the word inbox at 
> the top, there is google as i said, and this is where all the messages for my 
> google account were going.
> But this morning, after hitting a key or two three messages in the box were 
> suddenly gone. And when I searched for them I found them first in archive, 
> then later strangely, in all mail. And now all the mail goes in this box.
> I am trying to understand what you are saying, but I am new to the mac book 
> air so you are trying to guide me but I have little understanding so far. 
> haha thanks so much though.
> patrick 
> 
>> On Feb 18, 2020, at 10:45 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> All Google mail goes to the All Mail label no matter what.  That is the 
>> nature of the Google eMail service structure.  I suspect that you are simply 
>> focused on the All Mail label/mailbox instead of the main InBox for your 
>> Google account.  Do you have multiple accounts in the Mail app?  If not, 
>> then press cmd-1 to bring focus to the InBox.  If you do have multiple 
>> accounts, make sure that the Mailbox list is visible by pressing 
>> cmd-shift-m.  This command is a toggle, so it will show/hide the Mailbox 
>> list.  Once the Mailbox list is visible, navigate to it, interact with it, 
>> and navigate to the InBox for your Google account.  All your Google account 
>> InBox messages should still reside there.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Feb 18, 2020, at 08:19, Patrick Ford > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> THe default inbox in apple mail for google was the google inbox. But now, 
>> somehow, all new mail arrives in the all mail box.
>> How do I get the google mail to use the google inbox once again?
>> Thanks.
>> patrick 
>> 
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Re: making google default inbox

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Petrus,

Leave well enough alone.  As I mentioned, these aren't really folders, they are 
labels..  Thus, yes, if you delete something from the All Mail folder, it will 
delete it from everywhere.  It's not using up any extra space.  Think of it 
like a database.  The All Mail is the master list, and things like InBox, 
Deleted, and any labels/folders that you've created yourself are just markers 
that allow them to have more specific locations for your own purposes.  The 
Photos app and iTunes/Music do the same sort of thing.  That is, for example, 
in iTunes/Music, your library includes all your music, but your playlists are 
simply organizational for you.  They do not create multiple copies of the music 
to have them in different playlists.

HTH.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 18, 2020, at 12:07, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:

So if I was to delete all of the messages in my All mail folder, would this 
delete them from the rest of my labeled folders? I have over 500 unread 
messages in my All Mail folder and thousands of read messages. I have folders 
created for any important emails I wish to keep so don’t see why I need to keep 
everything I’ve ever received in my All Mail folder. But if it’s going to cause 
problems if I delete them all I’ll just leave well enough alone. 

> On 19/02/2020, at 06:05, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Patrick,
> 
> Google likes to do things a little different than most.  The things we know 
> as mailboxes in most iMap mail accounts like iCloud and other services are 
> known as labels in Google.  this is not just a semantic difference, but is 
> just the way Google does things.  Apple Mail and other mail clients do some 
> fancy coding to make Google's version of iMap work well within their 
> environment.  Now, keeping this in mind, the All Mail label in Google is a 
> collection of all your mail.  Whether it's also a part of other labels like 
> InBox, Deleted Messages, Important, or anything that you may have created 
> yourself, all messages that you receive are always a part of All Mail as well 
> as being a part of the other mailbox, or mailboxes.  So, if you had some 
> messages in your Google InBox at the top of your list as you mentioned, and 
> if you accidentally deleted them, they would be removed from the InBox, be 
> assigned the Deleted Items label and would remain within the All Mail 
> labelled items.  New messages should still be labelled with the InBox label 
> and thus show up under the Inbox, Google, mailbox within Apple Mail.  There 
> are ways of configuring other labels to go to specific locations, but I'm not 
> aware of being able to reassign the InBox.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Feb 18, 2020, at 09:45, Patrick Ford  > wrote:
> 
> Hi TIm,
> Thank you for your help.
> I do have two account; google and iCloud.
> The way I hear the mailbox list is this:
> at the top, there is inbox, under this there is iCloud and then google; then 
> there is junk which under this has also iCloud and google; then there are the 
> archive boxes, then important and then all mail. Now, under the word inbox at 
> the top, there is google as i said, and this is where all the messages for my 
> google account were going.
> But this morning, after hitting a key or two three messages in the box were 
> suddenly gone. And when I searched for them I found them first in archive, 
> then later strangely, in all mail. And now all the mail goes in this box.
> I am trying to understand what you are saying, but I am new to the mac book 
> air so you are trying to guide me but I have little understanding so far. 
> haha thanks so much though.
> patrick 
> 
>> On Feb 18, 2020, at 10:45 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> All Google mail goes to the All Mail label no matter what.  That is the 
>> nature of the Google eMail service structure.  I suspect that you are simply 
>> focused on the All Mail label/mailbox instead of the main InBox for your 
>> Google account.  Do you have multiple accounts in the Mail app?  If not, 
>> then press cmd-1 to bring focus to the InBox.  If you do have multiple 
>> accounts, make sure that the Mailbox list is visible by pressing 
>> cmd-shift-m.  This command is a toggle, so it will show/hide the Mailbox 
>> list.  Once the Mailbox list is visible, navigate to it, interact with it, 
>> and navigate to the InBox for your Google account.  All your Google account 
>> InBox messages should still reside there.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Fe

Re: making google default inbox

[Patrick Ford]

Tim, this was a very clear answer. It shed light on how mail and music are 
organized. Thanks.
patrick 

> On Feb 18, 2020, at 2:40 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Petrus,
> 
> Leave well enough alone.  As I mentioned, these aren't really folders, they 
> are labels..  Thus, yes, if you delete something from the All Mail folder, it 
> will delete it from everywhere.  It's not using up any extra space.  Think of 
> it like a database.  The All Mail is the master list, and things like InBox, 
> Deleted, and any labels/folders that you've created yourself are just markers 
> that allow them to have more specific locations for your own purposes.  The 
> Photos app and iTunes/Music do the same sort of thing.  That is, for example, 
> in iTunes/Music, your library includes all your music, but your playlists are 
> simply organizational for you.  They do not create multiple copies of the 
> music to have them in different playlists.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Feb 18, 2020, at 12:07, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
> 
> So if I was to delete all of the messages in my All mail folder, would this 
> delete them from the rest of my labeled folders? I have over 500 unread 
> messages in my All Mail folder and thousands of read messages. I have folders 
> created for any important emails I wish to keep so don’t see why I need to 
> keep everything I’ve ever received in my All Mail folder. But if it’s going 
> to cause problems if I delete them all I’ll just leave well enough alone. 
> 
>> On 19/02/2020, at 06:05, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Patrick,
>> 
>> Google likes to do things a little different than most.  The things we know 
>> as mailboxes in most iMap mail accounts like iCloud and other services are 
>> known as labels in Google.  this is not just a semantic difference, but is 
>> just the way Google does things.  Apple Mail and other mail clients do some 
>> fancy coding to make Google's version of iMap work well within their 
>> environment.  Now, keeping this in mind, the All Mail label in Google is a 
>> collection of all your mail.  Whether it's also a part of other labels like 
>> InBox, Deleted Messages, Important, or anything that you may have created 
>> yourself, all messages that you receive are always a part of All Mail as 
>> well as being a part of the other mailbox, or mailboxes.  So, if you had 
>> some messages in your Google InBox at the top of your list as you mentioned, 
>> and if you accidentally deleted them, they would be removed from the InBox, 
>> be assigned the Deleted Items label and would remain within the All Mail 
>> labelled items.  New messages should still be labelled with the InBox label 
>> and thus show up under the Inbox, Google, mailbox within Apple Mail.  There 
>> are ways of configuring other labels to go to specific locations, but I'm 
>> not aware of being able to reassign the InBox.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Feb 18, 2020, at 09:45, Patrick Ford > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi TIm,
>> Thank you for your help.
>> I do have two account; google and iCloud.
>> The way I hear the mailbox list is this:
>> at the top, there is inbox, under this there is iCloud and then google; then 
>> there is junk which under this has also iCloud and google; then there are 
>> the archive boxes, then important and then all mail. Now, under the word 
>> inbox at the top, there is google as i said, and this is where all the 
>> messages for my google account were going.
>> But this morning, after hitting a key or two three messages in the box were 
>> suddenly gone. And when I searched for them I found them first in archive, 
>> then later strangely, in all mail. And now all the mail goes in this box.
>> I am trying to understand what you are saying, but I am new to the mac book 
>> air so you are trying to guide me but I have little understanding so far. 
>> haha thanks so much though.
>> patrick 
>> 
>>> On Feb 18, 2020, at 10:45 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> All Google mail goes to the All Mail label no matter what.  That is the 
>>> nature of the Google eMail service structure.  I suspect that you are 
>>> simply focused on the All Mail label/mailbox instead of the main InBox for 
>>> your Google account.  Do you have multiple accounts in the Mail app?  If 
>>> not, then press cmd-1 to bring focus to the InBox.  If you do have multiple 
>>> accounts, make sure that the Mailbox list is visible by pressing 
>>> cmd-shift-m.  This command is a toggle, so it will show/hide the Mailbox 
>>> list.  Once the Mailbox 

Re: making google default inbox

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Thanks Tim, I’ll just leave it be.


> On 19/02/2020, at 08:40, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Petrus,
> 
> Leave well enough alone.  As I mentioned, these aren't really folders, they 
> are labels..  Thus, yes, if you delete something from the All Mail folder, it 
> will delete it from everywhere.  It's not using up any extra space.  Think of 
> it like a database.  The All Mail is the master list, and things like InBox, 
> Deleted, and any labels/folders that you've created yourself are just markers 
> that allow them to have more specific locations for your own purposes.  The 
> Photos app and iTunes/Music do the same sort of thing.  That is, for example, 
> in iTunes/Music, your library includes all your music, but your playlists are 
> simply organizational for you.  They do not create multiple copies of the 
> music to have them in different playlists.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Feb 18, 2020, at 12:07, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
> 
> So if I was to delete all of the messages in my All mail folder, would this 
> delete them from the rest of my labeled folders? I have over 500 unread 
> messages in my All Mail folder and thousands of read messages. I have folders 
> created for any important emails I wish to keep so don’t see why I need to 
> keep everything I’ve ever received in my All Mail folder. But if it’s going 
> to cause problems if I delete them all I’ll just leave well enough alone. 
> 
>> On 19/02/2020, at 06:05, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Patrick,
>> 
>> Google likes to do things a little different than most.  The things we know 
>> as mailboxes in most iMap mail accounts like iCloud and other services are 
>> known as labels in Google.  this is not just a semantic difference, but is 
>> just the way Google does things.  Apple Mail and other mail clients do some 
>> fancy coding to make Google's version of iMap work well within their 
>> environment.  Now, keeping this in mind, the All Mail label in Google is a 
>> collection of all your mail.  Whether it's also a part of other labels like 
>> InBox, Deleted Messages, Important, or anything that you may have created 
>> yourself, all messages that you receive are always a part of All Mail as 
>> well as being a part of the other mailbox, or mailboxes.  So, if you had 
>> some messages in your Google InBox at the top of your list as you mentioned, 
>> and if you accidentally deleted them, they would be removed from the InBox, 
>> be assigned the Deleted Items label and would remain within the All Mail 
>> labelled items.  New messages should still be labelled with the InBox label 
>> and thus show up under the Inbox, Google, mailbox within Apple Mail.  There 
>> are ways of configuring other labels to go to specific locations, but I'm 
>> not aware of being able to reassign the InBox.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Feb 18, 2020, at 09:45, Patrick Ford > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi TIm,
>> Thank you for your help.
>> I do have two account; google and iCloud.
>> The way I hear the mailbox list is this:
>> at the top, there is inbox, under this there is iCloud and then google; then 
>> there is junk which under this has also iCloud and google; then there are 
>> the archive boxes, then important and then all mail. Now, under the word 
>> inbox at the top, there is google as i said, and this is where all the 
>> messages for my google account were going.
>> But this morning, after hitting a key or two three messages in the box were 
>> suddenly gone. And when I searched for them I found them first in archive, 
>> then later strangely, in all mail. And now all the mail goes in this box.
>> I am trying to understand what you are saying, but I am new to the mac book 
>> air so you are trying to guide me but I have little understanding so far. 
>> haha thanks so much though.
>> patrick 
>> 
>>> On Feb 18, 2020, at 10:45 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> All Google mail goes to the All Mail label no matter what.  That is the 
>>> nature of the Google eMail service structure.  I suspect that you are 
>>> simply focused on the All Mail label/mailbox instead of the main InBox for 
>>> your Google account.  Do you have multiple accounts in the Mail app?  If 
>>> not, then press cmd-1 to bring focus to the InBox.  If you do have multiple 
>>> accounts, make sure that the Mailbox list is visible by pressing 
>>> cmd-shift-m.  This command is a toggle, so it will show/hide the Mailbox 
>>> list.  Once the Mailbox list is visible, navigate to it, interact with it, 
>>> and navigate to 

Re: Accessible Terminal

['Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries]

Emacs with Emacspeak provides a great text editor, along with a shell that I 
think is somewhat usable, its main advantage being, to me, that unlike most 
terminals, Emas’ Shell allows one to read not just a page of output, but entire 
history. Something like TDSR with Screen, the shell command, may allow this as 
well, but gosh being able to search the history is great. TDSR, though, is the 
best terminal screen reader on Mac for more interactive commands, or things 
like SSH, Tintin, and other such connectors to remote services.

> On Feb 18, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Nebojsa Tasic  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Devin!
> 
> 
> Is Emacs with Emacspeak the tool that can replace Voice Over?
> 
> 
> On 13.2.2020. 16:40, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Try TDSR: https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr
>> 
>> If you want a more complete workspace, try Emacs with Emacspeak: 
>> https://gist.github.com/devinprater/a794a448ccc46e72fca63c932105c043
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 13, 2020, at 3:02 AM, Nebojsa Tasic  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi All!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Could you recommend me a program or add-on for more accessible work in 
>>> Terminal?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Accessible Terminal

['Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries]

To expand on this, Emacs is a text editor with adding to be an IRC client, 
terminal, Git client, blog handler, and plenty more. Emacspeak is the subsystem 
which makes it self-voicing.

> On Feb 18, 2020, at 2:31 PM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Emacs with Emacspeak provides a great text editor, along with a shell that I 
> think is somewhat usable, its main advantage being, to me, that unlike most 
> terminals, Emas’ Shell allows one to read not just a page of output, but 
> entire history. Something like TDSR with Screen, the shell command, may allow 
> this as well, but gosh being able to search the history is great. TDSR, 
> though, is the best terminal screen reader on Mac for more interactive 
> commands, or things like SSH, Tintin, and other such connectors to remote 
> services.
> 
>> On Feb 18, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Nebojsa Tasic  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Devin!
>> 
>> 
>> Is Emacs with Emacspeak the tool that can replace Voice Over?
>> 
>> 
>> On 13.2.2020. 16:40, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Try TDSR: https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr
>>> 
>>> If you want a more complete workspace, try Emacs with Emacspeak: 
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Re: Accessible Terminal

[Karen Lewellen]

devin,
Do you mind adding a link to the tdsr program for the sake of our list 
archive?

Kare



On Tue, 18 Feb 2020, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Emacs with Emacspeak provides a great text editor, along with a shell that I 
think is somewhat usable, its main advantage being, to me, that unlike most 
terminals, Emas’ Shell allows one to read not just a page of output, but entire 
history. Something like TDSR with Screen, the shell command, may allow this as 
well, but gosh being able to search the history is great. TDSR, though, is the 
best terminal screen reader on Mac for more interactive commands, or things 
like SSH, Tintin, and other such connectors to remote services.


On Feb 18, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Nebojsa Tasic  wrote:


Hi Devin!


Is Emacs with Emacspeak the tool that can replace Voice Over?


On 13.2.2020. 16:40, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Try TDSR: https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr

If you want a more complete workspace, try Emacs with Emacspeak: 
https://gist.github.com/devinprater/a794a448ccc46e72fca63c932105c043




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Hi All!


Could you recommend me a program or add-on for more accessible work in Terminal?


Thanks in advance.



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Re: Accessible Terminal

['Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries]

Sorry, I’ll add links:

TDSR: https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr 

Emacs: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/ 

Emacspeak: https://github.com/tvraman/emacspeak 


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> On Feb 18, 2020, at 3:02 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> devin,
> Do you mind adding a link to the tdsr program for the sake of our list 
> archive?
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 18 Feb 2020, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Emacs with Emacspeak provides a great text editor, along with a shell that I 
>> think is somewhat usable, its main advantage being, to me, that unlike most 
>> terminals, Emas’ Shell allows one to read not just a page of output, but 
>> entire history. Something like TDSR with Screen, the shell command, may 
>> allow this as well, but gosh being able to search the history is great. 
>> TDSR, though, is the best terminal screen reader on Mac for more interactive 
>> commands, or things like SSH, Tintin, and other such connectors to remote 
>> services.
>> 
>>> On Feb 18, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Nebojsa Tasic  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Devin!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Is Emacs with Emacspeak the tool that can replace Voice Over?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 13.2.2020. 16:40, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 Try TDSR: https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr
 
 If you want a more complete workspace, try Emacs with Emacspeak: 
 https://gist.github.com/devinprater/a794a448ccc46e72fca63c932105c043
 
 
 
> On Feb 13, 2020, at 3:02 AM, Nebojsa Tasic  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi All!
> 
> 
> Could you recommend me a program or add-on for more accessible work in 
> Terminal?
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
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Re: Mac start sound

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Yes i totally agree with you.
BUt i don’t know why they removed the sound at all?
I do understand those who want a startup sound.
Its like the discussion of having a pc to beep at startup or not.
/A

> 16 feb. 2020 kl. 23:06 skrev Karen Lewellen :
> 
> Hi,
> I can respect your experience.  I, speaking personally, will not by a mac 
> that does not have  the start up sound.  Is not it amazing how individual 
> preferences makes computing really special?
> Frankly, that sound is so much a part of pop culture, I am wondering how the 
> decision was made.  what problem is solved by removing the sound for 
> everyone, that  was not solved by allowing individuals to remove it if 
> desired?
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 16 Feb 2020, Anders Holmberg wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>> Infact to me its no problem to hear when the compter starts even without a 
>> chime.
>> But i guess i am the only that has disabled the sound as i really don’t need 
>> it.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 14 feb. 2020 kl. 18:12 skrev J. Cyr :
>>> 
>>> Tim, would additional noise to the powers that be help?  If so I'd be 
>>> delighted to add my voice to the pleas for some sound at start up!  To whom 
>>> should such things be addressed to be most effective?
>>> Joy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 14, 2020, at 11:38 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> On newer Macs, I doubt that any of these will work.  I'm pretty sure that 
>>> the chime generator is not even a part of the machine anymore.  These 
>>> commands were for older Macs for removing the chime and regaining it as 
>>> well as for the Macs in the transition time between when there was and as 
>>> they were removing the startup chime.
>>> 
>>> We're just SOL as far as I'm aware.  I've made noise to the powers that be, 
>>> but the noise fell on deaf ears.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Feb 14, 2020, at 09:27, Tibor Niesner >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> try enter this command:
>>> 
>>> sudo nvram BootAudio=%01
>>> Sound will be activated. For deactivate enter this command:
>>> 
>>> sudo nvram BootAudio=%00
>>> 
>>> T.N
>>> 
>>> 
 14. 2. 2020 v 16:56, Jürgen Fleger >>> >:
 
 Hi,
 
 several times I read on the internet of a way to get back the Mac start 
 sound on the newer Macs. The discription says to enter the folloing 
 command in Terminal and restart the Mac:
 
 sudo nvram StartupMute=%00
 
 So far it didn’t work for me. Are you aware of a different way or am I 
 doing something wrong?
 
 Thanks and all the best
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Re: Mac start sound

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Yes, well it would be nice to have a start up sound on the iPhone as well, but 
don’t think that will ever happen. 

> On 19/02/2020, at 10:58, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Yes i totally agree with you.
> BUt i don’t know why they removed the sound at all?
> I do understand those who want a startup sound.
> Its like the discussion of having a pc to beep at startup or not.
> /A
> 
>> 16 feb. 2020 kl. 23:06 skrev Karen Lewellen :
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I can respect your experience.  I, speaking personally, will not by a mac 
>> that does not have  the start up sound.  Is not it amazing how individual 
>> preferences makes computing really special?
>> Frankly, that sound is so much a part of pop culture, I am wondering how the 
>> decision was made.  what problem is solved by removing the sound for 
>> everyone, that  was not solved by allowing individuals to remove it if 
>> desired?
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, 16 Feb 2020, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Infact to me its no problem to hear when the compter starts even without a 
>>> chime.
>>> But i guess i am the only that has disabled the sound as i really don’t 
>>> need it.
>>> /A
>>> 
 14 feb. 2020 kl. 18:12 skrev J. Cyr :
 
 Tim, would additional noise to the powers that be help?  If so I'd be 
 delighted to add my voice to the pleas for some sound at start up!  To 
 whom should such things be addressed to be most effective?
 Joy
 
 
 On Feb 14, 2020, at 11:38 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 On newer Macs, I doubt that any of these will work.  I'm pretty sure that 
 the chime generator is not even a part of the machine anymore.  These 
 commands were for older Macs for removing the chime and regaining it as 
 well as for the Macs in the transition time between when there was and as 
 they were removing the startup chime.
 
 We're just SOL as far as I'm aware.  I've made noise to the powers that 
 be, but the noise fell on deaf ears.
 
 Later...
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Feb 14, 2020, at 09:27, Tibor Niesner >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 try enter this command:
 
 sudo nvram BootAudio=%01
 Sound will be activated. For deactivate enter this command:
 
 sudo nvram BootAudio=%00
 
 T.N
 
 
> 14. 2. 2020 v 16:56, Jürgen Fleger  >:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> several times I read on the internet of a way to get back the Mac start 
> sound on the newer Macs. The discription says to enter the folloing 
> command in Terminal and restart the Mac:
> 
> sudo nvram StartupMute=%00
> 
> So far it didn’t work for me. Are you aware of a different way or am I 
> doing something wrong?
> 
> Thanks and all the best
> Jürgen
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Abbreviations In iOS Messages

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi everyone,

I hope I can explain this correctly. There used to be a time, when I composed a 
message on iOS, I could type an abbreviation like “OMW” and messages would 
replace that set of characters with the words “on my way”. I would love to 
create some new codes like that for other phrases, but I can’t for the life of 
me figure out how to do it any more, or if it’s even still possible. If you 
know what I’m talking about, and have any ideas, please let me know.

Thanks so much,
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Re: Abbreviations In iOS Messages

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

These are called Text Replacements and are found in Settings, General, 
Keyboard.  You can add new ones within the Text Replacements panel.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 18, 2020, at 15:55, Pete De Vasto  wrote:

Hi everyone,

I hope I can explain this correctly. There used to be a time, when I composed a 
message on iOS, I could type an abbreviation like “OMW” and messages would 
replace that set of characters with the words “on my way”. I would love to 
create some new codes like that for other phrases, but I can’t for the life of 
me figure out how to do it any more, or if it’s even still possible. If you 
know what I’m talking about, and have any ideas, please let me know.

Thanks so much,
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Re: Mac start sound

[Karen Lewellen]

Wait, why not?
granted I am  far from using an iPhone, but every cell phone I have ever 
owned  allowed an option to set a start up indicator, something the phone 
would do each time it was powered on...and this was not an accessibility 
feature   either.
Why would the iPhone not allow for this,  since one can  actually turn 
them off?...or some of them?

Kare



On Wed, 19 Feb 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:


Yes, well it would be nice to have a start up sound on the iPhone as well, but 
don???t think that will ever happen.


On 19/02/2020, at 10:58, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Yes i totally agree with you.
BUt i don???t know why they removed the sound at all?
I do understand those who want a startup sound.
Its like the discussion of having a pc to beep at startup or not.
/A


16 feb. 2020 kl. 23:06 skrev Karen Lewellen :

Hi,
I can respect your experience.  I, speaking personally, will not by a mac that 
does not have  the start up sound.  Is not it amazing how individual 
preferences makes computing really special?
Frankly, that sound is so much a part of pop culture, I am wondering how the 
decision was made.  what problem is solved by removing the sound for everyone, 
that  was not solved by allowing individuals to remove it if desired?
Kare



On Sun, 16 Feb 2020, Anders Holmberg wrote:


Hi!
Infact to me its no problem to hear when the compter starts even without a 
chime.
But i guess i am the only that has disabled the sound as i really don???t need 
it.
/A


14 feb. 2020 kl. 18:12 skrev J. Cyr :

Tim, would additional noise to the powers that be help?  If so I'd be delighted 
to add my voice to the pleas for some sound at start up!  To whom should such 
things be addressed to be most effective?
Joy


On Feb 14, 2020, at 11:38 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:

Hi,

On newer Macs, I doubt that any of these will work.  I'm pretty sure that the 
chime generator is not even a part of the machine anymore.  These commands were 
for older Macs for removing the chime and regaining it as well as for the Macs 
in the transition time between when there was and as they were removing the 
startup chime.

We're just SOL as far as I'm aware.  I've made noise to the powers that be, but 
the noise fell on deaf ears.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 14, 2020, at 09:27, Tibor Niesner mailto:tibornies...@seznam.cz>> wrote:

Hi,

try enter this command:

sudo nvram BootAudio=%01
Sound will be activated. For deactivate enter this command:

sudo nvram BootAudio=%00

T.N



14. 2. 2020 v 16:56, J??rgen Fleger mailto:mailinglis...@fleger.net>>:

Hi,

several times I read on the internet of a way to get back the Mac start sound 
on the newer Macs. The discription says to enter the folloing command in 
Terminal and restart the Mac:

sudo nvram StartupMute=%00

So far it didn???t work for me. Are you aware of a different way or am I doing 
something wrong?

Thanks and all the best
J??rgen

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Re: Mac start sound

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Nope, the iPhone does not make any sound when you start it up, all you get is 
the apple logo coming up on the screen when it is starting. At least the iPhone 
and the MacBooks make a tone when one is charging them up. 

> On 19/02/2020, at 12:00, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Wait, why not?
> granted I am  far from using an iPhone, but every cell phone I have ever 
> owned  allowed an option to set a start up indicator, something the phone 
> would do each time it was powered on...and this was not an accessibility 
> feature   either.
> Why would the iPhone not allow for this,  since one can  actually turn them 
> off?...or some of them?
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
> 
>> Yes, well it would be nice to have a start up sound on the iPhone as well, 
>> but don’t think that will ever happen.
>> 
>>> On 19/02/2020, at 10:58, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Yes i totally agree with you.
>>> BUt i don’t know why they removed the sound at all?
>>> I do understand those who want a startup sound.
>>> Its like the discussion of having a pc to beep at startup or not.
>>> /A
>>> 
 16 feb. 2020 kl. 23:06 skrev Karen Lewellen :
 
 Hi,
 I can respect your experience.  I, speaking personally, will not by a mac 
 that does not have  the start up sound.  Is not it amazing how individual 
 preferences makes computing really special?
 Frankly, that sound is so much a part of pop culture, I am wondering how 
 the decision was made.  what problem is solved by removing the sound for 
 everyone, that  was not solved by allowing individuals to remove it if 
 desired?
 Kare
 
 
 
 On Sun, 16 Feb 2020, Anders Holmberg wrote:
 
> Hi!
> Infact to me its no problem to hear when the compter starts even without 
> a chime.
> But i guess i am the only that has disabled the sound as i really don’t 
> need it.
> /A
> 
>> 14 feb. 2020 kl. 18:12 skrev J. Cyr :
>> 
>> Tim, would additional noise to the powers that be help?  If so I'd be 
>> delighted to add my voice to the pleas for some sound at start up!  To 
>> whom should such things be addressed to be most effective?
>> Joy
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 14, 2020, at 11:38 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> On newer Macs, I doubt that any of these will work.  I'm pretty sure 
>> that the chime generator is not even a part of the machine anymore.  
>> These commands were for older Macs for removing the chime and regaining 
>> it as well as for the Macs in the transition time between when there was 
>> and as they were removing the startup chime.
>> 
>> We're just SOL as far as I'm aware.  I've made noise to the powers that 
>> be, but the noise fell on deaf ears.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Feb 14, 2020, at 09:27, Tibor Niesner > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> try enter this command:
>> 
>> sudo nvram BootAudio=%01
>> Sound will be activated. For deactivate enter this command:
>> 
>> sudo nvram BootAudio=%00
>> 
>> T.N
>> 
>> 
>>> 14. 2. 2020 v 16:56, Jürgen Fleger >> >:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> several times I read on the internet of a way to get back the Mac start 
>>> sound on the newer Macs. The discription says to enter the folloing 
>>> command in Terminal and restart the Mac:
>>> 
>>> sudo nvram StartupMute=%00
>>> 
>>> So far it didn’t work for me. Are you aware of a different way or am I 
>>> doing something wrong?
>>> 
>>> Thanks and all the best
>>> Jürgen
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Re: Mac start sound

[Karen Lewellen]

I understand your  saying it does not, but my question is why not?
I mean I can set a flip phone to vibrate, or play the  company's  ad music 
or something when the phone turns on.

Seems a bit squirlly not to allow for well something.



On Wed, 19 Feb 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:


Nope, the iPhone does not make any sound when you start it up, all you get is 
the apple logo coming up on the screen when it is starting. At least the iPhone 
and the MacBooks make a tone when one is charging them up.


On 19/02/2020, at 12:00, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Wait, why not?
granted I am  far from using an iPhone, but every cell phone I have ever owned  
allowed an option to set a start up indicator, something the phone would do 
each time it was powered on...and this was not an accessibility feature   
either.
Why would the iPhone not allow for this,  since one can  actually turn them 
off?...or some of them?
Kare



On Wed, 19 Feb 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:


Yes, well it would be nice to have a start up sound on the iPhone as well, but 
don???t think that will ever happen.


On 19/02/2020, at 10:58, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Yes i totally agree with you.
BUt i don???t know why they removed the sound at all?
I do understand those who want a startup sound.
Its like the discussion of having a pc to beep at startup or not.
/A


16 feb. 2020 kl. 23:06 skrev Karen Lewellen :

Hi,
I can respect your experience.  I, speaking personally, will not by a mac that 
does not have  the start up sound.  Is not it amazing how individual 
preferences makes computing really special?
Frankly, that sound is so much a part of pop culture, I am wondering how the 
decision was made.  what problem is solved by removing the sound for everyone, 
that  was not solved by allowing individuals to remove it if desired?
Kare



On Sun, 16 Feb 2020, Anders Holmberg wrote:


Hi!
Infact to me its no problem to hear when the compter starts even without a 
chime.
But i guess i am the only that has disabled the sound as i really don???t need 
it.
/A


14 feb. 2020 kl. 18:12 skrev J. Cyr :

Tim, would additional noise to the powers that be help?  If so I'd be delighted 
to add my voice to the pleas for some sound at start up!  To whom should such 
things be addressed to be most effective?
Joy


On Feb 14, 2020, at 11:38 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:

Hi,

On newer Macs, I doubt that any of these will work.  I'm pretty sure that the 
chime generator is not even a part of the machine anymore.  These commands were 
for older Macs for removing the chime and regaining it as well as for the Macs 
in the transition time between when there was and as they were removing the 
startup chime.

We're just SOL as far as I'm aware.  I've made noise to the powers that be, but 
the noise fell on deaf ears.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 14, 2020, at 09:27, Tibor Niesner mailto:tibornies...@seznam.cz>> wrote:

Hi,

try enter this command:

sudo nvram BootAudio=%01
Sound will be activated. For deactivate enter this command:

sudo nvram BootAudio=%00

T.N



14. 2. 2020 v 16:56, J??rgen Fleger mailto:mailinglis...@fleger.net>>:

Hi,

several times I read on the internet of a way to get back the Mac start sound 
on the newer Macs. The discription says to enter the folloing command in 
Terminal and restart the Mac:

sudo nvram StartupMute=%00

So far it didn???t work for me. Are you aware of a different way or am I doing 
something wrong?

Thanks and all the best
J??rgen

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Re: Abbreviations In iOS Messages

[Pete De Vasto]

Thank you so very much, Tim! I had forgotten that it was in the Keyboard 
settings. Very helpful, and I’ve added the phrases I wanted already!

Pete

> On Feb 18, 2020, at 3:01 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> These are called Text Replacements and are found in Settings, General, 
> Keyboard.  You can add new ones within the Text Replacements panel.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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> 
> On Feb 18, 2020, at 15:55, Pete De Vasto  > wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I hope I can explain this correctly. There used to be a time, when I composed 
> a message on iOS, I could type an abbreviation like “OMW” and messages would 
> replace that set of characters with the words “on my way”. I would love to 
> create some new codes like that for other phrases, but I can’t for the life 
> of me figure out how to do it any more, or if it’s even still possible. If 
> you know what I’m talking about, and have any ideas, please let me know.
> 
> Thanks so much,
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Re: Abbreviations In iOS Messages

[David G. Carlson via iPhone]

Should be under settings/general/keyboard.

Dave
Woodworker, engineer, musician, Oregonian, and pioneer


> On Feb 18, 2020, at 2:55 PM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:

Hi everyone,

I hope I can explain this correctly. There used to be a time, when I composed a 
message on iOS, I could type an abbreviation like “OMW” and messages would 
replace that set of characters with the words “on my way”. I would love to 
create some new codes like that for other phrases, but I can’t for the life of 
me figure out how to do it any more, or if it’s even still possible. If you 
know what I’m talking about, and have any ideas, please let me know.

Thanks so much,
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Re: Mac start sound

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Sorry, can’t answer that one. The only people that know the answer to that is 
the folk at Apple. 

> On 19/02/2020, at 12:50, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> I understand your  saying it does not, but my question is why not?
> I mean I can set a flip phone to vibrate, or play the  company's  ad music or 
> something when the phone turns on.
> Seems a bit squirlly not to allow for well something.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
> 
>> Nope, the iPhone does not make any sound when you start it up, all you get 
>> is the apple logo coming up on the screen when it is starting. At least the 
>> iPhone and the MacBooks make a tone when one is charging them up.
>> 
>>> On 19/02/2020, at 12:00, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wait, why not?
>>> granted I am  far from using an iPhone, but every cell phone I have ever 
>>> owned  allowed an option to set a start up indicator, something the phone 
>>> would do each time it was powered on...and this was not an accessibility 
>>> feature   either.
>>> Why would the iPhone not allow for this,  since one can  actually turn them 
>>> off?...or some of them?
>>> Kare
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
>>> 
 Yes, well it would be nice to have a start up sound on the iPhone as well, 
 but don’t think that will ever happen.
 
> On 19/02/2020, at 10:58, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Yes i totally agree with you.
> BUt i don’t know why they removed the sound at all?
> I do understand those who want a startup sound.
> Its like the discussion of having a pc to beep at startup or not.
> /A
> 
>> 16 feb. 2020 kl. 23:06 skrev Karen Lewellen :
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I can respect your experience.  I, speaking personally, will not by a 
>> mac that does not have  the start up sound.  Is not it amazing how 
>> individual preferences makes computing really special?
>> Frankly, that sound is so much a part of pop culture, I am wondering how 
>> the decision was made.  what problem is solved by removing the sound for 
>> everyone, that  was not solved by allowing individuals to remove it if 
>> desired?
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, 16 Feb 2020, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Infact to me its no problem to hear when the compter starts even 
>>> without a chime.
>>> But i guess i am the only that has disabled the sound as i really don’t 
>>> need it.
>>> /A
>>> 
 14 feb. 2020 kl. 18:12 skrev J. Cyr :
 
 Tim, would additional noise to the powers that be help?  If so I'd be 
 delighted to add my voice to the pleas for some sound at start up!  To 
 whom should such things be addressed to be most effective?
 Joy
 
 
 On Feb 14, 2020, at 11:38 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 On newer Macs, I doubt that any of these will work.  I'm pretty sure 
 that the chime generator is not even a part of the machine anymore.  
 These commands were for older Macs for removing the chime and 
 regaining it as well as for the Macs in the transition time between 
 when there was and as they were removing the startup chime.
 
 We're just SOL as far as I'm aware.  I've made noise to the powers 
 that be, but the noise fell on deaf ears.
 
 Later...
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Feb 14, 2020, at 09:27, Tibor Niesner >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 try enter this command:
 
 sudo nvram BootAudio=%01
 Sound will be activated. For deactivate enter this command:
 
 sudo nvram BootAudio=%00
 
 T.N
 
 
> 14. 2. 2020 v 16:56, Jürgen Fleger  >:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> several times I read on the internet of a way to get back the Mac 
> start sound on the newer Macs. The discription says to enter the 
> folloing command in Terminal and restart the Mac:
> 
> sudo nvram StartupMute=%00
> 
> So far it didn’t work for me. Are you aware of a different way or am 
> I doing something wrong?
> 
> Thanks and all the best
> Jürgen
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Can I extract audio from a YouTube video? Please read below?

[maurice mines]

Hello, I found a YouTube that has audio that I like what I want to do is find a 
way to make an audio file out of that audio. Is there a way to download a 
YouTube video to one’s machine then extract the outer? Can this even be done?

A friend sent me a link to some software that appears to do it however the 
software is command line number one and it appears one needs Python and one of 
the UNIX utility to run. And it’s intent is for new next users. Which I think 
would cause problems with OS X security. Any thoughts?

Sincerely Maurice Mines.

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Re: Can I extract audio from a YouTube video? Please read below?

[Ibraheem Fakir]

Sure,
Try pasting the link to the video onto this website. Convert the video, then 
download it.


https://ytmp3.cc/en13/

Mistakes sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 18, 2020, at 9:27 PM, maurice mines  wrote:
> 
> Hello, I found a YouTube that has audio that I like what I want to do is 
> find a way to make an audio file out of that audio. Is there a way to 
> download a YouTube video to one’s machine then extract the outer? Can this 
> even be done?
> 
> A friend sent me a link to some software that appears to do it however the 
> software is command line number one and it appears one needs Python and one 
> of the UNIX utility to run. And it’s intent is for new next users. Which I 
> think would cause problems with OS X security. Any thoughts?
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
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Re: Can I extract audio from a YouTube video? Please read below?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I do this all the time on Linux. Haven't tried it on my Mac, but I
expect something similar should be possible.

I use this command with either mkv or webm files without issues.

ffmpeg -i [filename.mkv|webm] -acodec pcm_s16le -ac 2 audio.wav

The above requires you've installed the ffmpeg libraries. It produces
just the audio in the file called audio.wav. You can do whatever with
that file, of course, rename it, flac it, or encode it into an mp3,
etc., etc.

I should note I have this command in a shell script where
[filename.mkv|webm] is "$1" and I simply use the filename I'm extracting
the audio out of as the only argument to the script command.

Best,

Janina
 
maurice mines writes:
> Hello, I found a YouTube that has audio that I like what I want to do is find 
> a way to make an audio file out of that audio. Is there a way to download a 
> YouTube video to one’s machine then extract the outer? Can this even be done?
> 
> A friend sent me a link to some software that appears to do it however the 
> software is command line number one and it appears one needs Python and one 
> of the UNIX utility to run. And it’s intent is for new next users. Which I 
> think would cause problems with OS X security. Any thoughts?
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
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Your phone screen is gross. Here's how to clean I, cNet

[M. Taylor]

Your phone screen is gross. Here's how to clean it
These techniques are the absolute best to keep your iPhone or Android screen
smudge-free.
First Posted:  August 31, 2019 6:00 AM PDT
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Make sure you're cleaning your phone the right way.
Smudges and grime cling to your phone's screen. It's really disgusting, but
most of us have learned to live with the grease because keeping phone
screens clean is hard. Maybe you'll give it a cursory wipe on your jeans or
the hem of your shirt, but that won't really get the screen clean. The best
approach isn't hard, and will only cost you a few bucks. 
On the flip side, there are the cleaning agents and techniques that you
never want to use, because -- although you might initially see good results
-- they can be too harsh and damage the screen you're working so hard to
protect. 
We're going to tell you which products to avoid, and the best ways to clean
off fingerprint smudges, sand and lint from the ports, tenacious makeup off
the screen (hint: never with makeup remover) and even disinfect your phone
after contact with raw meat while you're cooking. We also tell you how to
care for phones rated for water-resistance.
Note that CNET may get a share of revenue from the sale of the products
featured on this page.  

We're not here to shame you, but drop that bottle of Windex, stat. This is
how not to clean your screen.
Window cleaner
You clean your mirrors and windows with window cleaner, and they're squeaky
clean, so it must be OK to use on your phone? Wrong! Some newer phones, such
as the iPhone XR ( $749 at Amazon ), have a protective coating that resists
water and oil, which can wear out over time.
Using harsh cleaners can strip the coating and could leave your phone more
vulnerable to scratches. James LeBeau, an associate professor of materials
science and engineering at MIT, told us that any cleanser with an abrasive
agent will likely scratch the surface, so those should be avoided entirely.
Kitchen cleaners
A screen's scratch-resistant properties won't get ground down by cleaning
agents, but stripping that protective coating is still a problem. That's why
Apple also suggests not using household cleaning products to clean your
iPhone. Bar Keepers Friend, for example, states that its abrasive formula
may harm the protective layer. Bon Ami states not to use on glass with
coatings. 

Paper towels
They may be the go-to for cleaning your desk, but keep them away from your
phone. The paper can shred, making the debris on your phone much worse.
Paper towels can even end up leaving scratches on your screen. 
Rubbing alcohol
Since many newer phones have a protective coating, rubbing alcohol can wear
it away quicker over time, causing your phone to be more prone to scratches.
Make sure to check for alcohol in product ingredients on any "safe to use"
phone screen cleaners. Apple says to avoid alcohol when cleaning its
devices.
Makeup remover
Some makeup removers may have chemicals that can be harsh to an electronic
screen. LeBeau suggests avoiding makeup remover and instead use a soft cloth
with a little bit of water. 

Compressed air
Your phone is delicate, so blowing an intense amount of air into its portals
can cause some damage, specifically to your mic. Tech companies, like Apple,
specifically warn not to use compressed air. 
Dish soap and hand soap
While your dish and hand soaps may be gentle, the only way to use them is to
combine them with water. Most phone companies suggest to keep water away
from your phone, so again, stick to a damp cloth. 
Vinegar
This is a no-no. Vinegar will strip the screen's coating. You could, as
Lifehacker suggests, use a very diluted vinegar to cleanse other parts of
your phone. Android Central suggests a 50/50 mix with distilled water for
cleaning the sides and back.
Disinfectant wipes
The warning label on these reminds you to wash your hands after each use, so
using them to clean something that touches your face often isn't a great
idea. According to MIT's LeBeau, these wipes typically contain alcohol that
will strip off the oleophobic (oil-repellant) and hydrophobic
(water-repellent) coatings. 

How to clean fingerprint smudges from your screen
Fingerprint smudges are hard to prevent because your skin constantly
produces oils. That means that every time you pick up your phone, it's bound
to get fingerprints all over it. 
The safest and most effective way to clear your screen is with a microfiber
cloth. If the screen is in desperate need of cleaning, use distilled water
to dampen the microfiber cloth and then wipe down your screen -- avoid
squirting the water directly on the screen. This method can be used on the
back and sides of your phone, too. 
You can also try Swipe Wipes, which you stick to the back of your phone and
can pop off when you need to give it a wipe-down. 
Check out Samsung's tips on cleaning your phone, too. 
Re

Re: Can I extract audio from a YouTube video? Please read below?

[Brad Snyder]

Yes you can.

I use an application called YouTube to MP3 Converter, from Media Human.  The 
basic version is free and is available for both MacOS and Windows.
I have used it to convert YouTube content to both MP3 and M4A formats.

Check it out at the link below:

https://www.mediahuman.com/youtube-to-mp3-converter/ 


HTH

- Brad -


On Feb 18, 2020, at 20:27, maurice mines  wrote:

Hello, I found a YouTube that has audio that I like what I want to do is find a 
way to make an audio file out of that audio. Is there a way to download a 
YouTube video to one’s machine then extract the outer? Can this even be done?

A friend sent me a link to some software that appears to do it however the 
software is command line number one and it appears one needs Python and one of 
the UNIX utility to run. And it’s intent is for new next users. Which I think 
would cause problems with OS X security. Any thoughts?

Sincerely Maurice Mines.

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RE: making google default inbox

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Tim and Petrus,

Apple do a similar thing with their mail app on the phone and Microsoft have 
what they call the focused in box which is everything in your mail boxes but 
it’s simply  just a label / shortcut to the messages in the in boxes.

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2020 8:41 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: making google default inbox

Hi Petrus,

Leave well enough alone.  As I mentioned, these aren't really folders, they are 
labels..  Thus, yes, if you delete something from the All Mail folder, it will 
delete it from everywhere.  It's not using up any extra space.  Think of it 
like a database.  The All Mail is the master list, and things like InBox, 
Deleted, and any labels/folders that you've created yourself are just markers 
that allow them to have more specific locations for your own purposes.  The 
Photos app and iTunes/Music do the same sort of thing.  That is, for example, 
in iTunes/Music, your library includes all your music, but your playlists are 
simply organizational for you.  They do not create multiple copies of the music 
to have them in different playlists.

HTH.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 18, 2020, at 12:07, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

So if I was to delete all of the messages in my All mail folder, would this 
delete them from the rest of my labeled folders? I have over 500 unread 
messages in my All Mail folder and thousands of read messages. I have folders 
created for any important emails I wish to keep so don’t see why I need to keep 
everything I’ve ever received in my All Mail folder. But if it’s going to cause 
problems if I delete them all I’ll just leave well enough alone.


On 19/02/2020, at 06:05, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi Patrick,

Google likes to do things a little different than most.  The things we know as 
mailboxes in most iMap mail accounts like iCloud and other services are known 
as labels in Google.  this is not just a semantic difference, but is just the 
way Google does things.  Apple Mail and other mail clients do some fancy coding 
to make Google's version of iMap work well within their environment.  Now, 
keeping this in mind, the All Mail label in Google is a collection of all your 
mail.  Whether it's also a part of other labels like InBox, Deleted Messages, 
Important, or anything that you may have created yourself, all messages that 
you receive are always a part of All Mail as well as being a part of the other 
mailbox, or mailboxes.  So, if you had some messages in your Google InBox at 
the top of your list as you mentioned, and if you accidentally deleted them, 
they would be removed from the InBox, be assigned the Deleted Items label and 
would remain within the All Mail labelled items.  New messages should still be 
labelled with the InBox label and thus show up under the Inbox, Google, mailbox 
within Apple Mail.  There are ways of configuring other labels to go to 
specific locations, but I'm not aware of being able to reassign the InBox.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 18, 2020, at 09:45, Patrick Ford 
mailto:xplorer1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi TIm,
Thank you for your help.
I do have two account; google and iCloud.
The way I hear the mailbox list is this:
at the top, there is inbox, under this there is iCloud and then google; then 
there is junk which under this has also iCloud and google; then there are the 
archive boxes, then important and then all mail. Now, under the word inbox at 
the top, there is google as i said, and this is where all the messages for my 
google account were going.
But this morning, after hitting a key or two three messages in the box were 
suddenly gone. And when I searched for them I found them first in archive, then 
later strangely, in all mail. And now all the mail goes in this box.
I am trying to understand what you are saying, but I am new to the mac book air 
so you are trying to guide me but I have little understanding so far. haha 
thanks so much though.
patrick


On Feb 18, 2020, at 10:45 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

All Google mail goes to the All Mail label no matter what.  That is the nature 
of the Google eMail service structure.  I suspect that you are simply focused 
on the All Mail label/mailbox instead of the main InBox for your Google 
account.  Do you have multiple accounts in the Mail app?  If not, then press 
cmd-1 to bring focus to the InBox.  If you do have multiple accounts, make sure 
that the Mailbox list is visible by pressing cmd-shift-m.  This command is a 
toggle, so it will show/hide the Mailbox list.  Once the Mailbox list is 
visible, navigate to it, interact with it, and navig

RE: Mac start sound

[Simon A Fogarty]

Just to let everyone on this start up sound thread know,

Not only apple have done this but Microsoft have done the same with windows 10.

However unlike apple windows 10's start up tone can be switched back on 

I just got told not to do this at work,

Yet it's a useful way to know that the machine has restarted after power on.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2020 10:58 AM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Mac start sound

Hi!
Yes i totally agree with you.
BUt i don’t know why they removed the sound at all?
I do understand those who want a startup sound.
Its like the discussion of having a pc to beep at startup or not.
/A

> 16 feb. 2020 kl. 23:06 skrev Karen Lewellen :
> 
> Hi,
> I can respect your experience.  I, speaking personally, will not by a mac 
> that does not have  the start up sound.  Is not it amazing how individual 
> preferences makes computing really special?
> Frankly, that sound is so much a part of pop culture, I am wondering how the 
> decision was made.  what problem is solved by removing the sound for 
> everyone, that  was not solved by allowing individuals to remove it if 
> desired?
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 16 Feb 2020, Anders Holmberg wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>> Infact to me its no problem to hear when the compter starts even without a 
>> chime.
>> But i guess i am the only that has disabled the sound as i really don’t need 
>> it.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 14 feb. 2020 kl. 18:12 skrev J. Cyr :
>>> 
>>> Tim, would additional noise to the powers that be help?  If so I'd be 
>>> delighted to add my voice to the pleas for some sound at start up!  To whom 
>>> should such things be addressed to be most effective?
>>> Joy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 14, 2020, at 11:38 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> On newer Macs, I doubt that any of these will work.  I'm pretty sure that 
>>> the chime generator is not even a part of the machine anymore.  These 
>>> commands were for older Macs for removing the chime and regaining it as 
>>> well as for the Macs in the transition time between when there was and as 
>>> they were removing the startup chime.
>>> 
>>> We're just SOL as far as I'm aware.  I've made noise to the powers that be, 
>>> but the noise fell on deaf ears.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Feb 14, 2020, at 09:27, Tibor Niesner >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> try enter this command:
>>> 
>>> sudo nvram BootAudio=%01
>>> Sound will be activated. For deactivate enter this command:
>>> 
>>> sudo nvram BootAudio=%00
>>> 
>>> T.N
>>> 
>>> 
 14. 2. 2020 v 16:56, Jürgen Fleger >>> >:
 
 Hi,
 
 several times I read on the internet of a way to get back the Mac start 
 sound on the newer Macs. The discription says to enter the folloing 
 command in Terminal and restart the Mac:
 
 sudo nvram StartupMute=%00
 
 So far it didn’t work for me. Are you aware of a different way or am I 
 doing something wrong?
 
 Thanks and all the best
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RE: Mac start sound

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah good point,

I know the Samsung android phones have a start up tone.



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2020 11:33 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac start sound

Yes, well it would be nice to have a start up sound on the iPhone as well, but 
don’t think that will ever happen.


On 19/02/2020, at 10:58, Anders Holmberg 
mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:

Hi!
Yes i totally agree with you.
BUt i don’t know why they removed the sound at all?
I do understand those who want a startup sound.
Its like the discussion of having a pc to beep at startup or not.
/A


16 feb. 2020 kl. 23:06 skrev Karen Lewellen 
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>>:

Hi,
I can respect your experience.  I, speaking personally, will not by a mac that 
does not have  the start up sound.  Is not it amazing how individual 
preferences makes computing really special?
Frankly, that sound is so much a part of pop culture, I am wondering how the 
decision was made.  what problem is solved by removing the sound for everyone, 
that  was not solved by allowing individuals to remove it if desired?
Kare



On Sun, 16 Feb 2020, Anders Holmberg wrote:


Hi!
Infact to me its no problem to hear when the compter starts even without a 
chime.
But i guess i am the only that has disabled the sound as i really don’t need it.
/A


14 feb. 2020 kl. 18:12 skrev J. Cyr mailto:delig...@aei.ca>>:

Tim, would additional noise to the powers that be help?  If so I'd be delighted 
to add my voice to the pleas for some sound at start up!  To whom should such 
things be addressed to be most effective?
Joy


On Feb 14, 2020, at 11:38 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> wrote:

Hi,

On newer Macs, I doubt that any of these will work.  I'm pretty sure that the 
chime generator is not even a part of the machine anymore.  These commands were 
for older Macs for removing the chime and regaining it as well as for the Macs 
in the transition time between when there was and as they were removing the 
startup chime.

We're just SOL as far as I'm aware.  I've made noise to the powers that be, but 
the noise fell on deaf ears.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 14, 2020, at 09:27, Tibor Niesner 
mailto:tibornies...@seznam.cz> 
> wrote:

Hi,

try enter this command:

sudo nvram BootAudio=%01
Sound will be activated. For deactivate enter this command:

sudo nvram BootAudio=%00

T.N



14. 2. 2020 v 16:56, Jürgen Fleger 
mailto:mailinglis...@fleger.net> 
>:

Hi,

several times I read on the internet of a way to get back the Mac start sound 
on the newer Macs. The discription says to enter the folloing command in 
Terminal and restart the Mac:

sudo nvram StartupMute=%00

So far it didn’t work for me. Are you aware of a different way or am I doing 
something wrong?

Thanks and all the best
Jürgen

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