Re: Single-Letter Searching for Filenames

[Brad Snyder]

I'm not aware of any setting that changes this behavior.  I have gone all 
through the Finder preferences, and have never come across any such setting.  
This is just the Apple way of doing things.

- Brad -


On Apr 3, 2020, at 00:44, Dave Carlson  wrote:


Here’s something I miss from the MS-Windows days. In a list of files in a 
folder, I want to find a file starting with the letter “B”. I press the “b” key 
and up comes the first file starting with that letter. From old habit, I then 
press the “b” key again and realize that I will not jump to the next file 
starting with “b””. Instead I need to type more of that filename in order to 
come up with it. I really miss just being able to tap the same key to jump from 
one to another. Is there a setting somewhere that could make this happen?

Dave Carlson
Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer





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Single-Letter Searching for Filenames

[Dave Carlson]

Here’s something I miss from the MS-Windows days. In a list of files in a 
folder, I want to find a file starting with the letter “B”. I press the “b” key 
and up comes the first file starting with that letter. From old habit, I then 
press the “b” key again and realize that I will not jump to the next file 
starting with “b””. Instead I need to type more of that filename in order to 
come up with it. I really miss just being able to tap the same key to jump from 
one to another. Is there a setting somewhere that could make this happen?

Dave Carlson
Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer





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Catalina Clean Install

[Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر]

Hi all:
DO not know if my question is right or not, but i need to make a clean install  
for my mac mini, i have Catalina, but my machine is getting slower and slower, 
sometimes VOiceover did not respond, do not know if it will solve some of my 
problems or not, but i think i will give it a try.
my question now is that, i can not  Remember what data do i need in my Mac 
drive, so, is there a way to take all my data, and make system clean install, 
then put  my data back? do not know if iti it will be a clean install or not, 
but i do not want to remove everything, because this is my Studio Machine,  and 
of course i have somethings that i forgot how to do them.
Thanks in advance

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Re: Advice Please, Setting Up A New Router

[Joy Cyr]

Thank you, reassurance is much appreciated!  I was assured that the app was 
excessible and had gotten (for what they are worth) good reviews.  Since I'm 
currently having internet problems (hence the need for a poorly timed change of 
router) I was unable to do my own research.  I really hope it is straight 
forward.
Thanks,
Joy

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Re: OT: anybody on the list using Linux in VMWare or on a separate machine? Pls answer off list

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, it is, Karen.  Janina had explained in her final response why she’d missed 
the mod’s email.  I apologize for starting it if it upset anyone.
> On 2 Apr 2020, at 17:48, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
>  I thought this thread is closed?
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2 Apr 2020, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Maurice:
>> 
>> OK, I do understand. Let me just add that if you can't afford $200-$400
>> for a second machine, you also can't afford VMware, imo. That isn't free
>> software.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> maurice mines writes:
>>> Good morning, unfortunately there were many reasons in my world where 
>>> Windows must stay. And unfortunately it cannot be moved and no I don’t have 
>>> money to buy another machine.
>>> 
>>> First reason vocational rehabilitation does in fact these days in the US 
>>> strongly encourage if not require people to have Windows. That is the path 
>>> to employment. Slowly but surely folk rehab and Social Security are now on 
>>> the same page. One must really be working towards employment. Unemployment 
>>> beats a check.
>>> 
>>> I would love to take my Windows section on my hard drive and virtualize it. 
>>> Except for this big issue, amateur radio handheld radio software. It does 
>>> all Windows based. Amateur radio manufacturers also note that Windows is 
>>> what they believe 98% of all amateur radio operators in the US run. As well 
>>> as a significant amount of overseas operators. In other words I sell that 
>>> to say this the industry is Windows-based and is likely to be so 
>>> indefinitely.
>>> 
>>> Accessibility. Braille displays unless much as changed are really usable in 
>>> Lenox especially if your display is Bluetooth.
>>> 
>>> Finally the above issues with VMware and the fact that one must take the 
>>> entire boot camp area of the hard drive, and copy those contents to your 
>>> existing OS X partition in order to virtualize that is a big barrier if you 
>>> have a hard drive that is not huge. In other words I only have 256 gig 
>>> available to me. Perhaps in the new Mac that will happen probably before 
>>> the end of this calendar year. I’m hoping to upgrade to a 512 or even 1 TB 
>>> drive. At that point virtualizing Windows will be easier, and then I will 
>>> see how many trade-offs I must make in order to make it work. So here’s 
>>> hoping that the future for me is brighter when it comes to computer 
>>> hardware.
>>> 
>>> In closing let me speak to the ability to afford a second machine. Because 
>>> I am now deaf blind and I wasn’t three years ago. I am unfortunately a 
>>> student again. Unfortunately this is not by choice. But by medical 
>>> necessity. And quality of life. In other words this is the way life is 
>>> going to be for me there is no changing it. Yes I can go get a curricular 
>>> implant but I want to wait until that becomes medically necessary. Not a 
>>> cosmetic surgery. Hope this helps. And for those on the list please excuse 
>>> the length of this post and how detailed this post is. But I figured this 
>>> was the best way to respond and also educate. Being deaf blind is certainly 
>>> not what popular culture might equate me to the large figure in history 
>>> Helen Keller. There was no technology in the late 19th and early 20 
>>> centuries. Today there is technology that can someone equal playing field. 
>>> Here’s hoping that this improves.
>>> 
>>> Please note my portion of this email has been dictated to the machine by 
>>> means of dictation software. The software is only been used for the 
>>> dictation of Britain text not typed commands. If there’s something you 
>>> don’t understand, please ask me what my original intent was, I will do my 
>>> very best to clear up any misunderstandings. Thank you for reading this. 
>>> Note number two I’m including my official signature here just because it’s 
>>> the easiest to go to the fine. My views that I’ve expressed in my written 
>>> portion of this email are mine alone they do not reflect the views 
>>> currently held by the board of the national Federation of the blind deaf 
>>> blind dictation of which I am a member of. I look forward to 
>>> hearing/reading any comments and/or suggestions that persons who read this 
>>> may have. I can answer most questions. And the ones that I can’t answer I 
>>> will go find the answer to.
>>> 
>>> Amateur callsign kd0iko.
>>> Maurice Mines, Board Member
>>> National Federation of the Blind Deaf-Blind Division
>>> Email: boa...@nfbdeaf-blind.org 
>>> Website: www.nfbdeaf-blind.org 
>>> Live the life you want.
>>> The National Federation of the Blind Deaf-Blind Division, a proud division
>>> of the National Federation of the Blind, is a community of members and
>>> friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind. Every day
>>> we work together to help blind people live the lives they want.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 31, 2020, at 02:20, 'Janina 

Re: Stopp ads loading

[David The Computer Guy]

Ever heard of the application/extension called ad block+? That is what I use on 
my system including Safari.

Sent from David The Computer Guy
707 759 7586

> On Apr 2, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> There isn’t but you could use adblockers for safari.
> /A
> 
>> 2 apr. 2020 kl. 20:05 skrev Jessica Moss :
>> 
>> Is this available for IOS as well?  That’s actually where I see the worst of 
>> it, due to these ads constantly refreshing, and as it’s loading, it disrupts 
>> VoiceOver from speaking, but the sound for the ad is muted, so I just 
>> happened to have found out by accident one morning that an ad was loading on 
>> a recipe site I was trying to view, VoiceOver said “ad loading” then 
>> VoiceOver went crazy until the ad was finished.
>> 
>>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 12:30 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> There’s a setting to stop live regions to update in VoiceOver utility in 
>>> the web tab.
>>> /A
>>> 
 1 apr. 2020 kl. 19:49 skrev Brad Snyder :
 
 Just realized you may be using an iPad.
 To invoke Reader View on and iPad or other iOS device, locate the Format 
 Options button, somewhere along the top of the display, and double tap and 
 hold.  This should invoke Reader View for the current webpage.
 
 Sorry if my instructions are vague.  I not only don’t use my iPad 
 everyday, but I have not made the upgrade to iPadOS on my iPad Pro.
 
 HTH
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 On Apr 1, 2020, at 12:42, Brad Snyder  wrote:
 
 Try invoking Reader View, using CMD + SHIFT + R.
 This may not work on all websites, but it is worth a try to see if it will 
 work on this one.
 
 HTH
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 On Apr 1, 2020, at 12:18, Traci Duncan  wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
 I want to read this article from Macworld, but Voiceover's focus keeps 
 getting dragged away by the Relentless ads. 
 
 Is there something I can do? 
 
 https://www.macworld.com/article/2018990/mac-buying-guide.html
 
 Thanks, 
 Traci 
  
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
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Re: Stopp ads loading

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
There isn’t but you could use adblockers for safari.
/A

> 2 apr. 2020 kl. 20:05 skrev Jessica Moss :
> 
> Is this available for IOS as well?  That’s actually where I see the worst of 
> it, due to these ads constantly refreshing, and as it’s loading, it disrupts 
> VoiceOver from speaking, but the sound for the ad is muted, so I just 
> happened to have found out by accident one morning that an ad was loading on 
> a recipe site I was trying to view, VoiceOver said “ad loading” then 
> VoiceOver went crazy until the ad was finished.
> 
>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 12:30 PM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> There’s a setting to stop live regions to update in VoiceOver utility in the 
>> web tab.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 1 apr. 2020 kl. 19:49 skrev Brad Snyder >> >:
>>> 
>>> Just realized you may be using an iPad.
>>> To invoke Reader View on and iPad or other iOS device, locate the Format 
>>> Options button, somewhere along the top of the display, and double tap and 
>>> hold.  This should invoke Reader View for the current webpage.
>>> 
>>> Sorry if my instructions are vague.  I not only don’t use my iPad everyday, 
>>> but I have not made the upgrade to iPadOS on my iPad Pro.
>>> 
>>> HTH
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 12:42, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try invoking Reader View, using CMD + SHIFT + R.
>>> This may not work on all websites, but it is worth a try to see if it will 
>>> work on this one.
>>> 
>>> HTH
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 12:18, Traci Duncan >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> I want to read this article from Macworld, but Voiceover's focus keeps 
>>> getting dragged away by the Relentless ads. 
>>> 
>>> Is there something I can do? 
>>> 
>>> https://www.macworld.com/article/2018990/mac-buying-guide.html 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks, 
>>> Traci 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Stopp ads loading

[Jessica Moss]

Is this available for IOS as well?  That’s actually where I see the worst of 
it, due to these ads constantly refreshing, and as it’s loading, it disrupts 
VoiceOver from speaking, but the sound for the ad is muted, so I just happened 
to have found out by accident one morning that an ad was loading on a recipe 
site I was trying to view, VoiceOver said “ad loading” then VoiceOver went 
crazy until the ad was finished.

> On Apr 2, 2020, at 12:30 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> There’s a setting to stop live regions to update in VoiceOver utility in the 
> web tab.
> /A
> 
>> 1 apr. 2020 kl. 19:49 skrev Brad Snyder > >:
>> 
>> Just realized you may be using an iPad.
>> To invoke Reader View on and iPad or other iOS device, locate the Format 
>> Options button, somewhere along the top of the display, and double tap and 
>> hold.  This should invoke Reader View for the current webpage.
>> 
>> Sorry if my instructions are vague.  I not only don’t use my iPad everyday, 
>> but I have not made the upgrade to iPadOS on my iPad Pro.
>> 
>> HTH
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 12:42, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> Try invoking Reader View, using CMD + SHIFT + R.
>> This may not work on all websites, but it is worth a try to see if it will 
>> work on this one.
>> 
>> HTH
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 1, 2020, at 12:18, Traci Duncan > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I want to read this article from Macworld, but Voiceover's focus keeps 
>> getting dragged away by the Relentless ads. 
>> 
>> Is there something I can do? 
>> 
>> https://www.macworld.com/article/2018990/mac-buying-guide.html 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks, 
>> Traci 
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: OT: anybody on the list using Linux in VMWare or on a separate machine? Pls answer off list

[Karen Lewellen]

  I thought this thread is closed?



On Thu, 2 Apr 2020, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Maurice:

OK, I do understand. Let me just add that if you can't afford $200-$400
for a second machine, you also can't afford VMware, imo. That isn't free
software.

Best,

Janina

maurice mines writes:

Good morning, unfortunately there were many reasons in my world where Windows 
must stay. And unfortunately it cannot be moved and no I don’t have money to 
buy another machine.

First reason vocational rehabilitation does in fact these days in the US 
strongly encourage if not require people to have Windows. That is the path to 
employment. Slowly but surely folk rehab and Social Security are now on the 
same page. One must really be working towards employment. Unemployment beats a 
check.

I would love to take my Windows section on my hard drive and virtualize it. 
Except for this big issue, amateur radio handheld radio software. It does all 
Windows based. Amateur radio manufacturers also note that Windows is what they 
believe 98% of all amateur radio operators in the US run. As well as a 
significant amount of overseas operators. In other words I sell that to say 
this the industry is Windows-based and is likely to be so indefinitely.

Accessibility. Braille displays unless much as changed are really usable in 
Lenox especially if your display is Bluetooth.

Finally the above issues with VMware and the fact that one must take the entire 
boot camp area of the hard drive, and copy those contents to your existing OS X 
partition in order to virtualize that is a big barrier if you have a hard drive 
that is not huge. In other words I only have 256 gig available to me. Perhaps 
in the new Mac that will happen probably before the end of this calendar year. 
I’m hoping to upgrade to a 512 or even 1 TB drive. At that point virtualizing 
Windows will be easier, and then I will see how many trade-offs I must make in 
order to make it work. So here’s hoping that the future for me is brighter when 
it comes to computer hardware.

In closing let me speak to the ability to afford a second machine. Because I am 
now deaf blind and I wasn’t three years ago. I am unfortunately a student 
again. Unfortunately this is not by choice. But by medical necessity. And 
quality of life. In other words this is the way life is going to be for me 
there is no changing it. Yes I can go get a curricular implant but I want to 
wait until that becomes medically necessary. Not a cosmetic surgery. Hope this 
helps. And for those on the list please excuse the length of this post and how 
detailed this post is. But I figured this was the best way to respond and also 
educate. Being deaf blind is certainly not what popular culture might equate me 
to the large figure in history Helen Keller. There was no technology in the 
late 19th and early 20 centuries. Today there is technology that can someone 
equal playing field. Here’s hoping that this improves.

Please note my portion of this email has been dictated to the machine by means 
of dictation software. The software is only been used for the dictation of 
Britain text not typed commands. If there’s something you don’t understand, 
please ask me what my original intent was, I will do my very best to clear up 
any misunderstandings. Thank you for reading this. Note number two I’m 
including my official signature here just because it’s the easiest to go to the 
fine. My views that I’ve expressed in my written portion of this email are mine 
alone they do not reflect the views currently held by the board of the national 
Federation of the blind deaf blind dictation of which I am a member of. I look 
forward to hearing/reading any comments and/or suggestions that persons who 
read this may have. I can answer most questions. And the ones that I can’t 
answer I will go find the answer to.

Amateur callsign kd0iko.
Maurice Mines, Board Member
National Federation of the Blind Deaf-Blind Division
Email: boa...@nfbdeaf-blind.org 
Website: www.nfbdeaf-blind.org 
Live the life you want.
The National Federation of the Blind Deaf-Blind Division, a proud division
of the National Federation of the Blind, is a community of members and
friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind. Every day
we work together to help blind people live the lives they want.



On Mar 31, 2020, at 02:20, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Well, Maurice. You can't. You can only use your boot camp option for one
OS, and I didn't know you were already using your
bootcamp option for Windows. Don't think you said that before.


Honestly, you'll be better off saving up some money for a separate Linux
machine.

Sorry to say that, but virtual machines are fussy things. Besides,
VMware is always asking for money. Like every 6-9 months or so they push
you to buy yet another upgrade. You can, of course, try to ignore them,
but they don't make 

Re: Stopp ads loading

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
There’s a setting to stop live regions to update in VoiceOver utility in the 
web tab.
/A

> 1 apr. 2020 kl. 19:49 skrev Brad Snyder :
> 
> Just realized you may be using an iPad.
> To invoke Reader View on and iPad or other iOS device, locate the Format 
> Options button, somewhere along the top of the display, and double tap and 
> hold.  This should invoke Reader View for the current webpage.
> 
> Sorry if my instructions are vague.  I not only don’t use my iPad everyday, 
> but I have not made the upgrade to iPadOS on my iPad Pro.
> 
> HTH
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Apr 1, 2020, at 12:42, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> Try invoking Reader View, using CMD + SHIFT + R.
> This may not work on all websites, but it is worth a try to see if it will 
> work on this one.
> 
> HTH
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Apr 1, 2020, at 12:18, Traci Duncan  > wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I want to read this article from Macworld, but Voiceover's focus keeps 
> getting dragged away by the Relentless ads. 
> 
> Is there something I can do? 
> 
> https://www.macworld.com/article/2018990/mac-buying-guide.html 
> 
> 
> Thanks, 
> Traci 
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Re: Advice Please, Setting Up A New Router

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hi There John.

I do hope you are well.  This is a question for anyone to answer.

At the moment I am using an AirPort Extreme and I’d like to know do these 
meshes do the same thing as Airport Extremes?  Are these things wireless?  So 
if you get one, how and where do you put these things as my AirPort Extreme 
isn’t going to last for ever.  I am also hoping to get an El Braille as my 
windows set up on the Mac isn’t working terribly well and as someone pointed 
out that you can only get a job if you run windows.  I am looking for work so 
if I can impress an employer to having technology on hand and to demonstrate 
how it works, then I will be in with a chance of getting employment.

Thanks.

Kawal.

> On 2 Apr 2020, at 14:33, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>  As long as the app is accessible, I would assume setting up a simple home 
> network should be pretty obvious and straight forward. I’ve not used this 
> yet, but I Think and Think is the important word that I read somewhere that 
> it is accessible. I could be thinking of another router though.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 2:36 AM, Joy Cyr  wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning,
>> I will shortly be receiving my new Linksys Velop mesh.  It is the first 
>> "router" that I will be setting up on my own.  I have downloaded the app to 
>> my iPhone.  I am only using the one mesh.   It will be connected to my iMac. 
>>  Is there anythning I should be aware of (to do or not do) before I get 
>> started on this solo adventure?  I'm a little nervous since if anything does 
>> go wrong I cannot have anyone come to  assist me in person.
>> 
>> Thank you very much for all and any advice and suggestions.
>> Joy
>> 
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Re: Advice Please, Setting Up A New Router

[John Panarese]

   As long as the app is accessible, I would assume setting up a simple home 
network should be pretty obvious and straight forward. I’ve not used this yet, 
but I Think and Think is the important word that I read somewhere that it is 
accessible. I could be thinking of another router though.


Take Care

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> On Apr 2, 2020, at 2:36 AM, Joy Cyr  wrote:
> 
> Good morning,
> I will shortly be receiving my new Linksys Velop mesh.  It is the first 
> "router" that I will be setting up on my own.  I have downloaded the app to 
> my iPhone.  I am only using the one mesh.   It will be connected to my iMac.  
> Is there anythning I should be aware of (to do or not do) before I get 
> started on this solo adventure?  I'm a little nervous since if anything does 
> go wrong I cannot have anyone come to  assist me in person.
> 
> Thank you very much for all and any advice and suggestions.
> Joy
> 
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Re: facebook on the mac

[Caitlyn Furness]

Shirley,

Have you tried to use m.facebook.com on your mac?  This is the mobile website 
and is way easier to navigate then the facebook website itself.  If you want to 
chat with people, facebook messenger app for the iphone works well here.

HTH,
Caitlyn


> On Apr 2, 2020, at 1:18 AM, Shirley Healy  wrote:
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> does anyone know is there a facebook app for the mac? rather than using the 
> website? 
> And if there is, is it accessible with vo?
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Re: facebook on the mac

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

It depends. What do you want to do on Facebook? Do you want to just chat with 
people or look at news feeds and stuff? If just chatting, I recommend Trillian. 
If doing both chatting and news feeds, Menutab Pro for Facebook is good.

Regards,
Shawn,
Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air

Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility Matters 
or my new group, Mac Users And Newbies? Send me a private email with your 
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> On Apr 2, 2020, at 12:18 AM, Shirley Healy  wrote:
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Re: OT: anybody on the list using Linux in VMWare or on a separate machine? Pls answer off list

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Mark:

My response went before I saw this post from you. I agree it's off topic
for this list.

Best,

Janina

M. Taylor writes:
> Hello All,
> 
> Please take this topic, off-list.
> 
> Do not reply to this post or to this thread.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of maurice mines
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 11:08 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: OT: anybody on the list using Linux in VMWare or on a separate 
> machine? Pls answer off list
> 
> Good morning, unfortunately there were many reasons in my world where Windows 
> must stay. And unfortunately it cannot be moved and no I don’t have money to 
> buy another machine.
> 
> First reason vocational rehabilitation does in fact these days in the US 
> strongly encourage if not require people to have Windows. That is the path to 
> employment. Slowly but surely folk rehab and Social Security are now on the 
> same page. One must really be working towards employment. Unemployment beats 
> a check.
> 
> I would love to take my Windows section on my hard drive and virtualize it. 
> Except for this big issue, amateur radio handheld radio software. It does all 
> Windows based. Amateur radio manufacturers also note that Windows is what 
> they believe 98% of all amateur radio operators in the US run. As well as a 
> significant amount of overseas operators. In other words I sell that to say 
> this the industry is Windows-based and is likely to be so indefinitely.
> 
> Accessibility. Braille displays unless much as changed are really usable in 
> Lenox especially if your display is Bluetooth.
> 
> Finally the above issues with VMware and the fact that one must take the 
> entire boot camp area of the hard drive, and copy those contents to your 
> existing OS X partition in order to virtualize that is a big barrier if you 
> have a hard drive that is not huge. In other words I only have 256 gig 
> available to me. Perhaps in the new Mac that will happen probably before the 
> end of this calendar year. I’m hoping to upgrade to a 512 or even 1 TB drive. 
> At that point virtualizing Windows will be easier, and then I will see how 
> many trade-offs I must make in order to make it work. So here’s hoping that 
> the future for me is brighter when it comes to computer hardware.
> 
> In closing let me speak to the ability to afford a second machine. Because I 
> am now deaf blind and I wasn’t three years ago. I am unfortunately a student 
> again. Unfortunately this is not by choice. But by medical necessity. And 
> quality of life. In other words this is the way life is going to be for me 
> there is no changing it. Yes I can go get a curricular implant but I want to 
> wait until that becomes medically necessary. Not a cosmetic surgery. Hope 
> this helps. And for those on the list please excuse the length of this post 
> and how detailed this post is. But I figured this was the best way to respond 
> and also educate. Being deaf blind is certainly not what popular culture 
> might equate me to the large figure in history Helen Keller. There was no 
> technology in the late 19th and early 20 centuries. Today there is technology 
> that can someone equal playing field. Here’s hoping that this improves.
> 
> Please note my portion of this email has been dictated to the machine by 
> means of dictation software. The software is only been used for the dictation 
> of Britain text not typed commands. If there’s something you don’t 
> understand, please ask me what my original intent was, I will do my very best 
> to clear up any misunderstandings. Thank you for reading this. Note number 
> two I’m including my official signature here just because it’s the easiest to 
> go to the fine. My views that I’ve expressed in my written portion of this 
> email are mine alone they do not reflect the views currently held by the 
> board of the national Federation of the blind deaf blind dictation of which I 
> am a member of. I look forward to hearing/reading any comments and/or 
> suggestions that persons who read this may have. I can answer most questions. 
> And the ones that I can’t answer I will go find the answer to.
>  
> Amateur callsign kd0iko.
> Maurice Mines, Board Member 
> National Federation of the Blind Deaf-Blind Division 
> Email: boa...@nfbdeaf-blind.org  
> Website: www.nfbdeaf-blind.org  
> Live the life you want. 
> The National Federation of the Blind Deaf-Blind Division, a proud division 
> of the National Federation of the Blind, is a community of members and 
> friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind. Every day 
> we work together to help blind people live the lives they want.
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 02:20, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, Maurice. You can't. You can only use your boot camp option for one
> OS, and I 

Re: OT: anybody on the list using Linux in VMWare or on a separate machine? Pls answer off list

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Maurice:

OK, I do understand. Let me just add that if you can't afford $200-$400
for a second machine, you also can't afford VMware, imo. That isn't free
software.

Best,

Janina

maurice mines writes:
> Good morning, unfortunately there were many reasons in my world where Windows 
> must stay. And unfortunately it cannot be moved and no I don’t have money to 
> buy another machine.
> 
> First reason vocational rehabilitation does in fact these days in the US 
> strongly encourage if not require people to have Windows. That is the path to 
> employment. Slowly but surely folk rehab and Social Security are now on the 
> same page. One must really be working towards employment. Unemployment beats 
> a check.
> 
> I would love to take my Windows section on my hard drive and virtualize it. 
> Except for this big issue, amateur radio handheld radio software. It does all 
> Windows based. Amateur radio manufacturers also note that Windows is what 
> they believe 98% of all amateur radio operators in the US run. As well as a 
> significant amount of overseas operators. In other words I sell that to say 
> this the industry is Windows-based and is likely to be so indefinitely.
> 
> Accessibility. Braille displays unless much as changed are really usable in 
> Lenox especially if your display is Bluetooth.
> 
> Finally the above issues with VMware and the fact that one must take the 
> entire boot camp area of the hard drive, and copy those contents to your 
> existing OS X partition in order to virtualize that is a big barrier if you 
> have a hard drive that is not huge. In other words I only have 256 gig 
> available to me. Perhaps in the new Mac that will happen probably before the 
> end of this calendar year. I’m hoping to upgrade to a 512 or even 1 TB drive. 
> At that point virtualizing Windows will be easier, and then I will see how 
> many trade-offs I must make in order to make it work. So here’s hoping that 
> the future for me is brighter when it comes to computer hardware.
> 
> In closing let me speak to the ability to afford a second machine. Because I 
> am now deaf blind and I wasn’t three years ago. I am unfortunately a student 
> again. Unfortunately this is not by choice. But by medical necessity. And 
> quality of life. In other words this is the way life is going to be for me 
> there is no changing it. Yes I can go get a curricular implant but I want to 
> wait until that becomes medically necessary. Not a cosmetic surgery. Hope 
> this helps. And for those on the list please excuse the length of this post 
> and how detailed this post is. But I figured this was the best way to respond 
> and also educate. Being deaf blind is certainly not what popular culture 
> might equate me to the large figure in history Helen Keller. There was no 
> technology in the late 19th and early 20 centuries. Today there is technology 
> that can someone equal playing field. Here’s hoping that this improves.
> 
> Please note my portion of this email has been dictated to the machine by 
> means of dictation software. The software is only been used for the dictation 
> of Britain text not typed commands. If there’s something you don’t 
> understand, please ask me what my original intent was, I will do my very best 
> to clear up any misunderstandings. Thank you for reading this. Note number 
> two I’m including my official signature here just because it’s the easiest to 
> go to the fine. My views that I’ve expressed in my written portion of this 
> email are mine alone they do not reflect the views currently held by the 
> board of the national Federation of the blind deaf blind dictation of which I 
> am a member of. I look forward to hearing/reading any comments and/or 
> suggestions that persons who read this may have. I can answer most questions. 
> And the ones that I can’t answer I will go find the answer to.
>  
> Amateur callsign kd0iko.
> Maurice Mines, Board Member 
> National Federation of the Blind Deaf-Blind Division 
> Email: boa...@nfbdeaf-blind.org  
> Website: www.nfbdeaf-blind.org  
> Live the life you want. 
> The National Federation of the Blind Deaf-Blind Division, a proud division 
> of the National Federation of the Blind, is a community of members and 
> friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind. Every day 
> we work together to help blind people live the lives they want.
> 
> 
> > On Mar 31, 2020, at 02:20, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Well, Maurice. You can't. You can only use your boot camp option for one
> > OS, and I didn't know you were already using your
> > bootcamp option for Windows. Don't think you said that before.
> > 
> > 
> > Honestly, you'll be better off saving up some money for a separate Linux
> > machine.
> > 
> > Sorry to say that, but virtual machines are fussy things. Besides,
> > VMware is always asking for money. Like every 6-9 months or so they push

Re: A couple Terminal questions

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, Andrew:

Wednesdays are my very busy day and I frequently don't get to list
traffic on Wednesdays.

Also, this particular question is arguably well off topic for this list,
as the distinctions between the Debian ISO that installed Mate for you
and the tarch iso that would give you a pure console environment with a
function Speakup are the kind of details that have nothing to do with
Apple stuff. There's really no similarity to what one does in the os x
terminal.

Nevertheless, let me ask you to send me, from your terminal on
Debian--now that you know how to redirect output into a file, the output
from the following command:

aplay -l
And to answer the should you question, all I can say is to tell you the
difference.

You used an installation image that focussed on the graphical desktop.
It delivered that for you, but did nothing about providing you the
accessible console environment.

The tarch iso will do the exact opposite. It'll give you a bare bones
talking console environment. All that Mate goodness will then be up to
you.

So, it's up to you, really, what you want at this stage. For myself,
speaking personally, looking around the Mate desktop is interesting, but
not all that different from what one gets with os x on a Mac, or from
Microsoft Windows.

And, yes, the command line you get in the graphical environment is
technically a terminal. The consoles exist for you on that machine, but
they won't talk. You get to them using Ctrl+Alt+F2 probably through
Ctrl+Alt+F6. None of those will talk, but they are sitting at a console
login screen. if you try it, you get back to the graphical goodness with
Ctrl+Alt+F1.

Can you get a talking console environment from what you have? Yes, but
I'd suggest doing so by enabling ssh access to that machine. The
graphical environment is likely to complain about asked to function
sudo, as rightly it should.

Best,

Janina

'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Ok, Janina, oh the info keeps on coming from you and I’m very grateful.  The 
> trouble is you stimulate my curiosity every time.  Hence I think you’d have 
> made a fabulous teacher.  But hey, you’ve got a fantastic career I’m sure.
> 
> Like a dog with a bone -  - I will be asking for more unless you say 
> “enough”!  So you said: "For speakup you want espeak and the espeakup 
> connector”. I will do a little research shortly to find out what the two: 
> espeak & espeak connector are but if yyou you can - and no pressure  - please 
> tell me.  Are they pieces of software and can I get them via apt-get command?
> 
> Also, I have installed as you might remember latest Debian on my old laptop 
> for now with mate desktop.  Might it be better for now for me to install 
> tarch?  The way I installed Debian desktop mate was by downloading its .iso 
> file from the Debian.org  website and burning it into a 
> CD rewritable.  That was a long process because on my mac disk utility 
> refused to burn it.  So I used command line in Terminal with burn command to 
> burn it and it worked.  Then I installed Debian from the cd onto my old 
> laptop.   Whilst I managed to activate Orca during the installation after the 
> first beep when I booted the laptop from the CD (sighted assistance required 
> for that), I then completed the installation.  But I don’t have Speakup 
> running at present in the command line (or should I say console?) and as I 
> said, I read that Orca doesn’t play well with Speakup if it works through 
> pulse audio.  I don’t really quite know what I’m saying so feel free to 
> laugh.And then I’m reading and trying to understand the 
> speech-dispatcher and they say it runs as a back end something, which I’m 
> guessing, means in the background or after?  again!>
> 
> Ok enough of the serious stuff.  Here’s something amusing against the 
> background of the present serious situation.  The generation of people to 
> which I belong, i.e. growing up or being in their twenties in the 60s or 70s 
> of the last century are often referred to in the UK as baby boomers.  The 
> young, the millennials as we call them, have got it into their heads that we 
> are so rich now, have had it really easy, have danced through life and now 
> are financially secure.  the millennials in a way resent us and in some cases 
> are openly hostile, wishing we’d disappear from the face of the earth so that 
> they, the millennials could take over and inherit whatever it is we’ve 
> purportedly accumulated.  Mind you , I personally don’t have anything much to 
> leave nor many people from my generation I know.  And here’s the funny line.  
> Since the coronavirus tends to kill older people in greater numbers than the 
> young, the teenagers in British schools have nicknamed the coronavirus the 
> “boomer remover’.  I thought it was hilarious as I came across it but of 
> course it isn’t because they really mean it.   
> 
> Best,
> 
> Andrew
> 
> > On 31 Mar 2020, at 15:41, 'Janina Sajka' via 

RE: Installing Windows10 on iMac with bootcamp assistant

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Andrew,

Yes should be fine so long as you are using I think it's windows 10 18/09  
This should let you start narrator once the installation of windows starts in 
bootcamp and focus is put in into that window.

I did it last year with my mac book pro 2018 and used headphones to get speech 
out of the windows install.

-Original Message-
From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2020 4:10 PM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Installing Windows10 on iMac with bootcamp assistant

Hi,

Is it possible to install Windows10 on mac running Catalina with bootcamp 
assistant without sighted help?  I understand some of you may have accomplished 
this and I would like to know whether there were any difficulties or snags and 
at which stage I might require sighted help to finish the task.  I guess once 
my mac restarts into Windows, I shall have to activate the Narrator.  Is this 
doable?  I think the shortcut key is command or Windows key enter.  is this 
correct?  Also, during the bootcamp installation, would it be wiser to use a 
usb keyboard or can I use the bluetooth keyboard I currently use with Catalina?

Many thanks for any tips

Andrew

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Advice Please, Setting Up A New Router

[Joy Cyr]

Good morning,
I will shortly be receiving my new Linksys Velop mesh.  It is the first 
"router" that I will be setting up on my own.  I have downloaded the app to my 
iPhone.  I am only using the one mesh.   It will be connected to my iMac.  Is 
there anythning I should be aware of (to do or not do) before I get started on 
this solo adventure?  I'm a little nervous since if anything does go wrong I 
cannot have anyone come to  assist me in person.

Thank you very much for all and any advice and suggestions.
Joy



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