Case and screen protecter for Macbook pro 16 2019

[Muhammad Babar Shahzad]

Hi,
Any feedback about a particular brand that produces either the case or screen 
protecter for macbook pro 16 inches?
Thanks,
Muhammad.

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Re: Headings in Mac pages or Word

[Muhammad Babar Shahzad]

Thanks for the guidance. now, I have really started to enjoy using mac pages 
for my assignments. 
Regards,
Muhammad Babar.

From: Julie Rattray 
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 5:57 PM
To: 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Headings in Mac pages or Word

Glad it worked I love the Touch Bar for things like that and other formatting 
things particularly in pages - it works really well - as you develop documents 
using these heading styles helps when it comes to creating tables of contents 
for larger files etc. it is also a good way to turn on and off numbering and 
bullets  

If I can help more let me know - not an expert just learn as I go but happy to 
share if I can 



  On 14 Apr 2020, at 09:02, muhammad babar Shahzad  
wrote:

  Hello, 
  It worked. Thanks for the guidance. I am using the Touch Bar model.

  Regards,
  Muhammad Babar.

On 13 Apr 2020, at 11:13 pm, Julie Rattray  wrote:

Hi, 

If you are using a Mac with the Touch Bar then when you highlight the 
heading you want to assign a style to you can use the features at the left of 
the Touch Bar to assign a stile - let me know if you are not sure or if you are 
using a non Touch Bar model 



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 wrote:

  Anne And Archie Robertson have written a book on word processing on the 
mac.  It might be worth your while buying this book.  Anne is a member on this 
list.  I can’t remember where you might purchase the book from in either. epub 
or pages or pdf format but someone on the list might know. 

  The title of the book is “My mac Pages - A VoiceOver Guide to Word 
processing’.

  Andrew

On 13 Apr 2020, at 01:46, Muhammad Babar Shahzad 
 wrote:

Hello all,
I am a new user of MacBook pro. I am a student and I have to format the 
assignments using headings.
How can i enable voiceover to read and assign the headings in either 
word or pages? I also have to use numbers or excel so, may i request for any 
tutorials about these programs?
Any recommendation for a free download manager? The last question is 
about the safari report to be busy sometimes and I don’t think it has anything 
to do with the slow internet. The connection seems to  be ok. 
Thanks,
Muhammad.

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Trouble reading in Apple Mail

[Antonio Guimaraes]

Hi all,

I'm experiencing strange behavior while reading in the mail on macOS.

When interacting with the Messages list, I only see one field for the message 
as of recently. Are used to see the from, date, subject, and a message preview 
that I could move through.

When this change came about, I figured I could press control plus option plus 
command plus C to go back to the old, classic view.

I was able to read messages as expected. That is to say I would press command + 
oh to open the message, then use my arrow keys with quick nav off to read 
through the message.

But now, male is going through stage up on stage of deterioration, and I don't 
understand why. As of yesterday, I had to press the command to open the 
message, and interact with several fields before I could read the message, sort 
of. Now, when I try to get into my column view with Ctrl plus option plus 
command plus c, Male interacts with some sort of text, and I am unable to read, 
or navigate the messages.

What is happening here, and what should I do? Maybe I got stuck in some sort of 
weird view mode that I don't understand.

Your help is much appreciated,

Antonio


















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Re: Trouble reading in Apple Mail

[Brad Snyder]

Assuming you are running macOS Catalina 10.15.x, try the following:
1.  Go to Menu Bar > View and select Column view.

HTH

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On Apr 15, 2020, at 08:40, Antonio Guimaraes  wrote:

Hi all,

I'm experiencing strange behavior while reading in the mail on macOS.

When interacting with the Messages list, I only see one field for the message 
as of recently. Are used to see the from, date, subject, and a message preview 
that I could move through.

When this change came about, I figured I could press control plus option plus 
command plus C to go back to the old, classic view.

I was able to read messages as expected. That is to say I would press command + 
oh to open the message, then use my arrow keys with quick nav off to read 
through the message.

But now, male is going through stage up on stage of deterioration, and I don't 
understand why. As of yesterday, I had to press the command to open the 
message, and interact with several fields before I could read the message, sort 
of. Now, when I try to get into my column view with Ctrl plus option plus 
command plus c, Male interacts with some sort of text, and I am unable to read, 
or navigate the messages.

What is happening here, and what should I do? Maybe I got stuck in some sort of 
weird view mode that I don't understand.

Your help is much appreciated,

Antonio


















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Two specific bugs in numbers OS X

[Phil Halton]

within the last week or so, after installing some OS X updates and the new 
version of Numbers, several things have been going wrong in numbers 
specifically label and Row header labels are not being read correctly.
two other bugs are happening within tables and they are specifically:
One, using the VO, shift, and end keystroke (The end key is simulated with 
function right arrow), used to always take you to the last cell in the table. 
Now however, now it kicks you back to the A1 cell no matter where you are in 
the table.
2, using the VO plus shift plus home (function left arrow), which used to take 
you to the A1 cell in the table, now kicks you out of the table and restarts 
vo. When I do this I get the message welcome to OS X, voiceover is on.


As to the row and header label issue, as I said earlier, column headers are 
only read out to about column six or seven, and row header labels are only read 
down to about the 12th or 15th row. After those limits, no column or row 
headers are recognized by VO. They are recognized by numbers as they are used 
in formulas etc., but VO does not see them nor does it announce them. Clearly 
these are not the proper functioning voiceover, and they are either a problem 
with the installation, the corruption of voiceover or numbers, or they are bugs 
in the new version. Any ideas out there? Sent from my IPhone

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Re: Two specific bugs in numbers OS X

[Dave Carlson]

I can confirm the row headers issue. However on my installation it stops 
reading row headers at row 50. Not sure of where the column headers stops. I’m 
on latest Mojave, not Catalina.

Have not tried the move to end functions, as I didn’t know they had ever been 
available.


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VoiceDream Scanner.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I am trying to scan a bill but the text can’t seem to be recognized.
I have tried booth with torch on and torch off.
No go.
Seeing ai doesn’t work for me either. So i am probably doing things wrong.
I give up.
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Amadeus Pro help neded.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I am recording a reading i am doing for a christian newspaper for the blind 
here in Sweden.
I have just read an article but when i listen to it it seems that there is a 
part i the end that hasn’t been recorded.
It is like amadeus has taken a pause of it self and started again.
So i need to instert this into the recording i am actually doing.
I know this is possible but i don’t know how and i would like to know why the 
recording is missing some words when i recording my voice.
It is very very frustrated.
Thanks in advance friends.
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Re: Trouble reading in Apple Mail

[Antonio Guimaraes]

Hi Brad,

Thanks for responding.

I am running 10.15.4

I am checking and unchecking use column layout under the view menu, but this 
does nothing to fix the problem.

I'll see if there are other suggestions before I reach out to Apple 
Accessibility Support.

Best,

Antonio




> On Apr 15, 2020, at 10:39 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Assuming you are running macOS Catalina 10.15.x, try the following:
> 1.  Go to Menu Bar > View and select Column view.
> 
> HTH
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 15, 2020, at 08:40, Antonio Guimaraes  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm experiencing strange behavior while reading in the mail on macOS.
> 
> When interacting with the Messages list, I only see one field for the message 
> as of recently. Are used to see the from, date, subject, and a message 
> preview that I could move through.
> 
> When this change came about, I figured I could press control plus option plus 
> command plus C to go back to the old, classic view.
> 
> I was able to read messages as expected. That is to say I would press command 
> + oh to open the message, then use my arrow keys with quick nav off to read 
> through the message.
> 
> But now, male is going through stage up on stage of deterioration, and I 
> don't understand why. As of yesterday, I had to press the command to open the 
> message, and interact with several fields before I could read the message, 
> sort of. Now, when I try to get into my column view with Ctrl plus option 
> plus command plus c, Male interacts with some sort of text, and I am unable 
> to read, or navigate the messages.
> 
> What is happening here, and what should I do? Maybe I got stuck in some sort 
> of weird view mode that I don't understand.
> 
> Your help is much appreciated,
> 
> Antonio
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Catalina Clean Install

[Jonathan Cohn]

There are some system cleanup programs out there but they are not likely to 
really help. One thing that can help is to uncheck the box on the logout screen 
about restoring windows. While it is convenient to have everything back the way 
it was when you logout or shutdown your machine, if you are not diligent about 
closing windows when you are done with them, then you might create conditions 
where your computer is running out of physical memory. Especially since 
VoiceOver keeps an open thread for any window in any application, the n number 
of threads running on MacOS can get quite large. 
If you are hearing VoiceOver say busy, what this means is that VoiceOver has 
expected an update from a program and didn’t receive it  quickly enough. This 
could be VOiceOver  communication channels being overloaded so you can try 
stopping starting VoiceOver to see if that makes a difference. Another check 
would be to bring up the force quit applications dialog and see if it also sees 
a process as being unresponsive. Today, I opened 30 outlook windows and this 
seemed to work fine until I replied to one of the messages at that point I 
tarted getting busy messages from Outlook. I worked around that a bit, but 
eventually I had to logout and log back in to get performance back.
As I said at the beginning clearing cache is generally not a good idea. Cache 
is temporary storage that your computer is using to keep local items that might 
otherwise take a while to retrieve. Usually the older  cache entries should be 
automatically cleared on a properly running system. This is just standard 
garbage collecting that the system should be doing. 

> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:47 PM, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
> <⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com⁩> wrote:
> 
> Ok, can you tell me some tricsk, that may help? for instance, the Text edit 
> app got busy some times, and also, some other apps.
> If there are any tricks like what we do in windows to clean the  cash etc, 
> please give me a hand.
> Thanks in advance 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 2:16 AM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> If you do this your computer will be in essentially the same sate as it was 
>> before you did the clean install. Why are you looking to do a clean install? 
>> There might be less drastic actions you can take.
>> Jonathan
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 4:52 PM, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
>>> <⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com ⁩> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So, will i do a Catalina clean install then use TM to Bring back my Backup?
>>> 
 On Apr 6, 2020, at 3:38 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Really, the only way to maintain those settings is to bring them back from 
 a backup, essentially, then not doing a clean install.
 
 Later...
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Apr 5, 2020, at 08:20, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
 <⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com ⁩> wrote:
 
 Hi TIm:
 Yes, i know the document and so on, but , i ment Some apps settings,
 is there away to keep them while doing a Clean install?
 
 
> On Apr 3, 2020, at 5:59 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When you say "data", do you mean simply data such as documents and such 
> that might be stored on your Desktop or in your Documents folder?  Or, do 
> you mean third party applications and such as well?  If the former, then 
> those are easy to just put back on from either syncing your Desktop and 
> Documents folder to iCloud or by storing them on external media.  If the 
> latter, then you may not be able to do a true clean install if you're 
> worried about losing settings and such for various installed apps.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 2, 2020, at 18:53, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
> <⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com ⁩> wrote:
> 
> Hi all:
> DO not know if my question is right or not, but i need to make a clean 
> install  for my mac mini, i have Catalina, but my machine is getting 
> slower and slower, sometimes VOiceover did not respond, do not know if it 
> will solve some of my problems or not, but i think i will give it a try.
> my question now is that, i can not  Remember what data do i need in my 
> Mac drive, so, is there a way to take all my data, and make system clean 
> install, then put  my data back? do not kn

Re: Trouble reading in Apple Mail

[Antonio Guimaraes]

Funny thing, the problem seems to have gone away mainly on its own.

The only thing I did that may have fixed it is to run a search on my inbox, and 
look at a resulting message in the search. Opening a message that resulted from 
the search was the first time I noticed I could read messages as usual.

I'll monitor the situation.

Antonio




> On Apr 15, 2020, at 1:37 PM, Antonio Guimaraes  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Brad,
> 
> Thanks for responding.
> 
> I am running 10.15.4
> 
> I am checking and unchecking use column layout under the view menu, but this 
> does nothing to fix the problem.
> 
> I'll see if there are other suggestions before I reach out to Apple 
> Accessibility Support.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Antonio
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 15, 2020, at 10:39 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> Assuming you are running macOS Catalina 10.15.x, try the following:
>> 1.  Go to Menu Bar > View and select Column view.
>> 
>> HTH
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 15, 2020, at 08:40, Antonio Guimaraes > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm experiencing strange behavior while reading in the mail on macOS.
>> 
>> When interacting with the Messages list, I only see one field for the 
>> message as of recently. Are used to see the from, date, subject, and a 
>> message preview that I could move through.
>> 
>> When this change came about, I figured I could press control plus option 
>> plus command plus C to go back to the old, classic view.
>> 
>> I was able to read messages as expected. That is to say I would press 
>> command + oh to open the message, then use my arrow keys with quick nav off 
>> to read through the message.
>> 
>> But now, male is going through stage up on stage of deterioration, and I 
>> don't understand why. As of yesterday, I had to press the command to open 
>> the message, and interact with several fields before I could read the 
>> message, sort of. Now, when I try to get into my column view with Ctrl plus 
>> option plus command plus c, Male interacts with some sort of text, and I am 
>> unable to read, or navigate the messages.
>> 
>> What is happening here, and what should I do? Maybe I got stuck in some sort 
>> of weird view mode that I don't understand.
>> 
>> Your help is much appreciated,
>> 
>> Antonio
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Two specific bugs in numbers OS X

[Phil Halton]

That’s interesting Dave, row 50 hey. I get down to about row 16 in the data 
rows and the headers go silent. Also I get out to about column seven or eight 
and then I lose column reading. How about those keystrokes I mentioned do they 
work for you? I never had any problem until I recently updated Catalina with 
the latest system updates and also brought up the new version of numbers. Glad 
to hear that I’m not alone to some degree anyway. Let me know what you come up 
with and, you could test the columns reading simply enough

Sent from my IPhone


> On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> I can confirm the row headers issue. However on my installation it stops 
> reading row headers at row 50. Not sure of where the column headers stops. 
> I’m on latest Mojave, not Catalina.
> 
> Have not tried the move to end functions, as I didn’t know they had ever been 
> available.
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The libby app

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Hi all,
I know that the Overdrive App isn’t available on the Mac and was wondering if 
the libby app is? Although even if it is I’m not holding up much hope for 
accessibility  as it is useless on the iPhone. I looked in the App Store but 
couldn’t find anything, but thought I’d ask here as well just in case I missed 
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Calling All Fans of the Parker Brother's Monopoly Board Game

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

Recently I posted about an on-device, self-voicing Monopoly-like game for
iOS, called EarsOpoly.

While I continue to enjoy the game, I am all but certain that it will cease
to function-as-expected in future versions of iOS; primarily because it is
no longer being maintained by the developer, Kid Friendly Software.

A couple of days ago, I contacted the developers of the official Parker
Brothers Monopoly game for iOS, Marmalade Games Studio, requesting that they
add VoiceOver accessibility to Monopoly.

I received a very positive response.  

So, I am asking for your support in contacting Marmalade Games Studio with a
similar request.  I am certain that they will listen to us if we make our
voices heard.

To contact them, simply do the following:

1.
Go to: https://www.marmaladegamestudio.com/contact/

This should take you directly to the contact form.  If it does not then go
to:

 https://www.marmaladegamestudio.com/

and then click the Contact link.  A short form will be displayed.

2.
In the first edit field, enter your name.

3.
In the second edit field, enter your email address.

4.
In the third and final edit field, enter the text of your message.  I simply
asked them to make their Monopoly game either self-voicing or VoiceOver
accessible, so that visually impaired people can enjoy the game.

5.
Click the "Send Message" button in order to send them your message.

That's all there is to it.

As always, your support is greatly appreciated and I hope someday I will
have the pleasure of informing the group that the official Parker Brothers
Monopoly game, for iOS, is accessible to us all.

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How Do You Mute the Chat In A Zoom Meeting

[Joy Cyr]

Subject line sums it up, ... I can't follow what the speaker is saying because 
voice over tries to read what is being posted.  And if I leave the window it is 
even worse since whatever it is reading out the chat feed is very loud and 
can't be interrupted.  (Not that hitting control while in the window helps.)

I am on an iMac.
Any help much appreciated,
Thank YOU!
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Re: How Do You Mute the Chat In A Zoom Meeting

[Mary Otten]

I don’t know anything about zoom for the Mac, but cant you mute voiceover 
speech? It’s easy enough to do on the phone, and I thought there was a way to 
do it on the Mac as well. Then if you need to navigate around, just unmute the 
speech. I know it’s a workaround, but it should work, just like it works when 
you do that with close captions that are being read out or other things that 
you don’t want.


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> Subject line sums it up, ... I can't follow what the speaker is saying 
> because voice over tries to read what is being posted.  And if I leave the 
> window it is even worse since whatever it is reading out the chat feed is 
> very loud and can't be interrupted.  (Not that hitting control while in the 
> window helps.)
> 
> I am on an iMac.
> Any help much appreciated,
> Thank YOU!
> Joy
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Re: Two specific bugs in numbers OS X

[Dave Carlson]

Phil,
Those keystrokes do nothing, but then I’m using an external Windows keyboard so 
the mapping may not be correct.


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Re: The libby app

[Dave Carlson]

Petrus,
Interesting.  I use  Overdrive on the web with no problems. Once I download the 
file.odm file, I click on it and a Safari window opens with Overdrive, and then 
I download the book. I don’t see the need for a separate app.
 

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Re: The libby app

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Okay, thanks for that. One day I’ll try and learn Safari on the Mac but my 
attempts so far have been less than successful. I always end up using Safari on 
my iPhone if I want to look up  anything. 

> On 16/04/2020, at 13:59, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Petrus,
> Interesting.  I use  Overdrive on the web with no problems. Once I download 
> the file.odm file, I click on it and a Safari window opens with Overdrive, 
> and then I download the book. I don’t see the need for a separate app.
>  
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Re: How Do You Mute the Chat In A Zoom Meeting

[Lorie McCloud]

the only way I know of to do this is to turn vo off.

> On Apr 15, 2020, at 7:52 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> I don’t know anything about zoom for the Mac, but cant you mute voiceover 
> speech? It’s easy enough to do on the phone, and I thought there was a way to 
> do it on the Mac as well. Then if you need to navigate around, just unmute 
> the speech. I know it’s a workaround, but it should work, just like it works 
> when you do that with close captions that are being read out or other things 
> that you don’t want.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:46 PM, Joy Cyr  wrote:
>> 
>> Subject line sums it up, ... I can't follow what the speaker is saying 
>> because voice over tries to read what is being posted.  And if I leave the 
>> window it is even worse since whatever it is reading out the chat feed is 
>> very loud and can't be interrupted.  (Not that hitting control while in the 
>> window helps.)
>> 
>> I am on an iMac.
>> Any help much appreciated,
>> Thank YOU!
>> Joy
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Re: How Do You Mute the Chat In A Zoom Meeting

[Petrus Tuerlings]

You don’t need to turn VoiceOver off, you only need to mute it by doing a three 
finger double tap on the trackpad or a three finger double tap on the iPhone 
screen. This will keep voice-over on.

Sent from Petrus's iPhone

On 16/04/2020, at 15:01, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

the only way I know of to do this is to turn vo off.

> On Apr 15, 2020, at 7:52 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I don’t know anything about zoom for the Mac, but cant you mute voiceover 
> speech? It’s easy enough to do on the phone, and I thought there was a way to 
> do it on the Mac as well. Then if you need to navigate around, just unmute 
> the speech. I know it’s a workaround, but it should work, just like it works 
> when you do that with close captions that are being read out or other things 
> that you don’t want.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:46 PM, Joy Cyr  wrote:
>> 
>> Subject line sums it up, ... I can't follow what the speaker is saying 
>> because voice over tries to read what is being posted.  And if I leave the 
>> window it is even worse since whatever it is reading out the chat feed is 
>> very loud and can't be interrupted.  (Not that hitting control while in the 
>> window helps.)
>> 
>> I am on an iMac.
>> Any help much appreciated,
>> Thank YOU!
>> Joy
>> "Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. ... 
>> Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. ..."
>> -- Helen Keller
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Re: How Do You Mute the Chat In A Zoom Meeting

[Lorie McCloud]

well, technically you're right. that's what I do. it mutes voiceover.

> On Apr 15, 2020, at 10:06 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
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> You don’t need to turn VoiceOver off, you only need to mute it by doing a 
> three finger double tap on the trackpad or a three finger double tap on the 
> iPhone screen. This will keep voice-over on.
> 
> Sent from Petrus's iPhone
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> On 16/04/2020, at 15:01, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> the only way I know of to do this is to turn vo off.
> 
>> On Apr 15, 2020, at 7:52 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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>> I don’t know anything about zoom for the Mac, but cant you mute voiceover 
>> speech? It’s easy enough to do on the phone, and I thought there was a way 
>> to do it on the Mac as well. Then if you need to navigate around, just 
>> unmute the speech. I know it’s a workaround, but it should work, just like 
>> it works when you do that with close captions that are being read out or 
>> other things that you don’t want.
>> 
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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 On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:46 PM, Joy Cyr  wrote:
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>>> Subject line sums it up, ... I can't follow what the speaker is saying 
>>> because voice over tries to read what is being posted.  And if I leave the 
>>> window it is even worse since whatever it is reading out the chat feed is 
>>> very loud and can't be interrupted.  (Not that hitting control while in the 
>>> window helps.)
>>> 
>>> I am on an iMac.
>>> Any help much appreciated,
>>> Thank YOU!
>>> Joy
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Re: How Do You Mute the Chat In A Zoom Meeting

[Joy Cyr]

Thank you!  Is there a way to do this with a keyboard?  I don't have a track 
pad and at least some of the time I would like to use the computer rather than 
the phone.
Joy

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Re: How Do You Mute the Chat In A Zoom Meeting

[Ryan Mann]

I think you can go into VoiceOver Utility and assign a key stroke to it.  I 
just looked in the voiceOver commands help and there does not seem to be a key 
stroke assigned by default.


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Re: How Do You Mute the Chat In A Zoom Meeting

[Lorie McCloud]

I think it's command-f5

> On Apr 15, 2020, at 10:14 PM, Joy Cyr  wrote:
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Re: How Do You Mute the Chat In A Zoom Meeting

[Ryan Mann]

Command F5 totally turns off VoiceOver, but I guess that would work to.

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> On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:28 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I think it's command-f5
> 
>> On Apr 15, 2020, at 10:14 PM, Joy Cyr  wrote:
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>> than the phone.
>> Joy
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Re: How Do You Mute the Chat In A Zoom Meeting

[maurice mines]

 Hello, Amanda five I believe turns off VoiceOver and so far as I can tell at 
this point that seems to be the only good solution for this. But that won’t 
work for anyone what the significant hearing loss such as myself because then 
it cuts off any of the text messaging and or captioning text. So turning out 
VoiceOver probably isn’t a good option. I’m doing some looking myself to see if 
this is possible to do without cutting me off from the information. Because 
some of the speakers in meetings decide that it’s better to try to talk away 
from the phone imports it and then others “beneath the microphone and the phone 
to the point that the voice becomes badly distorted. This makes Zoom meetings 
so special. This is definitely one of my most vexing problems. But it does seem 
to look like everyone else is thinking of what I’m thinking it’s the best way 
meaning the way I’ve done it in the past but it comes with that issue that I 
mentioned above.

Sincerely Maurice Mines.





> On Apr 15, 2020, at 17:46, Joy Cyr  wrote:
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> Subject line sums it up, ... I can't follow what the speaker is saying 
> because voice over tries to read what is being posted.  And if I leave the 
> window it is even worse since whatever it is reading out the chat feed is 
> very loud and can't be interrupted.  (Not that hitting control while in the 
> window helps.)
> 
> I am on an iMac.
> Any help much appreciated,
> Thank YOU!
> Joy
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Re: How Do You Mute the Chat In A Zoom Meeting

[maurice mines]

Brian Mann and other listers, this idea works great writing your hearing is 
normal and you’re not a braille reader. A.k.a. you’re not deaf blind. But if 
that’s done, you get no text messages and note captioning. I just want to mute 
the VoiceOver speech but leave VoiceOver running because of needing to read 
things in braille.

Sincerely Maurice Mines.

> On Apr 15, 2020, at 20:29, Ryan Mann  wrote:
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> Command F5 totally turns off VoiceOver, but I guess that would work to.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:28 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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>> I think it's command-f5
>> 
>>> On Apr 15, 2020, at 10:14 PM, Joy Cyr  wrote:
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>>> Thank you!  Is there a way to do this with a keyboard?  I don't have a 
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>>> Joy
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RE: How Do You Mute the Chat In A Zoom Meeting

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah use the mute key on the function row,

That is I believe f10.

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Subject: Re: How Do You Mute the Chat In A Zoom Meeting

Thank you!  Is there a way to do this with a keyboard?  I don't have a track 
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