Re: Apple mail

[Brad Snyder]

I don’t know of a way using a trackpad, but using a keyboard, you should be 
able to interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + Down Arrow, then 
navigate through the list using VO + Up/Down Arrow keys, then you can use VO + 
Spacebar to expand or collapse an item.

BTW, I thought you got a new Windows style keyboard to use with your Mac?  What 
happened with the new keyboard?

- Brad -


On Nov 12, 2020, at 00:08, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

is there a way to expand mailboxes using the trackpad? I have a dead right 
arrow key and I can't seem to get out allmail and back into 1 of my 2 accounts.

thanks.
Lorie

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Apple mail

[Lorie McCloud]

is there a way to expand mailboxes using the trackpad? I have a dead right 
arrow key and I can't seem to get out allmail and back into 1 of my 2 accounts.

thanks.
Lorie

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The tutorial Recommendation from Andy: Fwd: Recomendations for books

[Yolanda Thompson]

This is the one I believe Andy is refering to:



-- Forwarded message --
From: Andy 
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 23:46:15 +0100
Subject: Re: Recomendations for books
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Hi Dolories.

Same author for sure, but my book is titled "Janet Ingber - Everything
You Need to Know to Use the Mac".  It's a great book, but
nevertheless, I'll check out your book title also.

All the best with your learning.

Andy.

Very best wishes and kind regards
Andy Logue.
>From Scotland with love.

  - Original Message -
  From: Dolores Myers
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Cc: Dolores Myers
  Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 9:24 PM
  Subject: Re: Recomendations for books


  Hello Andy,


  I just purchased a book by Janet Ingber from the National Braille
Press.  it is called Mac Basics for the Beginning User.  I really like
 it.  I bought the braille copy so I can read it while trying things
on the computer.   I’ve learned a lot from this book.  It will be a
great reference tool for me.  I don’’t know if we are talking about
the same book or not.
  Dolores

On Aug 27, 2017, at 12:10 PM, Andy  wrote:


Hi all.

In the past I've purchased 2 great books.  They may have been from
either, the National Braille Press or American Printhouse for the
Blind.  I can no longer rember.


The first book concerned my Iphone and was titled:
Getting Started with the iPhoneGetting Started with the iPhone
An Introduction for Blind Users
By Anna Dresner and Dean Martineau.

This was a great book and helped me a lot, back when I was using
my Iphone 4s.

I've since upgraded to the Iphone 6s and was wondering if there
was a more recent title by these two authours which would be more
appropriate for the Iphone 6s and subsequent upgrades to the operating
system, since then.

My second book, which I'm studying at the moment is also a
fantastic book.  It concerns My Imac and my Macbook pro and is titled:

Janet Ingber - Everything You Need to Know to Use the Mac


I'm loving this book so much that I hunger for more from this
particular author.

If anyone knows a link where I can purchase such titles, as txt
documents, I'd be delighted to know.

Thanks.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
From Scotland with Love.




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Re: Request for a tutorial about pages

[Kerryann Ifill]

No that’s not what I meant.

I meant that you indicated that was an earlier message from you with a link to 
t tutorial and I can’t find that message.

Regards
Kerry 

> On 11 Nov 2020, at 8:12 PM, 'Andy Logue' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi there.
> 
> I'll do so, but if you got my message and cannot read it, then you have a 
> problem at your end.
> 
> Are you poossibly seeing a message with black letters on a black background?
> 
> Try opening the message again.  Tab to the main body of the messatge.
> 
> Do a control A to highlight everything that may or may not be in there, 
> followed by control c.
> 
> Launch your office program and start a new page and do Control V.
> 
> If there was anything in the main body, it's now on the new office/word 
> document you created.
> 
> Try reading the whole messge, even if there appears to be nothing on the 
> screen.
> 
> And write again tomorrow.
> 
> Hope you get this sorted.
> 
> Andy.
> - Original Message - From: "Kerryann Ifill" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 10:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Request for a tutorial about pages
> 
> 
>> Hello Andy,
>> 
>> Your message is not showing up anywhere.
>> 
>> Please resend.
>> 
>> Kerry
>> 
>>> On 11 Nov 2020, at 3:44 PM, 'Andy Logue' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mohamid.
>>> 
>>> I've just posted a message on this list about tutorials.   so Read my 
>>> message and you'll find a rather good tutorial from Janet iberge.
>>> 
>>> Very best wishes.
>>> 
>>> Andy
>>> - Original Message - From: "muhammad babar Shahzad" 
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 7:05 PM
>>> Subject: Request for a tutorial about pages
>>> 
>>> 
 Hello Everyone,
 As the subject states, I have to complete university assignments for which 
 I would like to switch over to pages on my MacBook. Could you please share 
 any tips, tricks or a complete tutorial about pages.
 Thanks,
 Muhammad.
 
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Re: Request for a tutorial about pages

['Andy Logue' via MacVisionaries]

Hi there.

I'll do so, but if you got my message and cannot read it, then you have a 
problem at your end.


Are you poossibly seeing a message with black letters on a black background?

Try opening the message again.  Tab to the main body of the messatge.

Do a control A to highlight everything that may or may not be in there, 
followed by control c.


Launch your office program and start a new page and do Control V.

If there was anything in the main body, it's now on the new office/word 
document you created.


Try reading the whole messge, even if there appears to be nothing on the 
screen.


And write again tomorrow.

Hope you get this sorted.

Andy.
- Original Message - 
From: "Kerryann Ifill" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: Request for a tutorial about pages



Hello Andy,

Your message is not showing up anywhere.

Please resend.

Kerry

On 11 Nov 2020, at 3:44 PM, 'Andy Logue' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:


Hi Mohamid.

I've just posted a message on this list about tutorials.   so Read my 
message and you'll find a rather good tutorial from Janet iberge.


Very best wishes.

Andy
- Original Message - From: "muhammad babar Shahzad" 


To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 7:05 PM
Subject: Request for a tutorial about pages



Hello Everyone,
As the subject states, I have to complete university assignments for 
which I would like to switch over to pages on my MacBook. Could you 
please share any tips, tricks or a complete tutorial about pages.

Thanks,
Muhammad.

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Re: Request for a tutorial about pages

[Kerryann Ifill]

Hello Andy,

Your message is not showing up anywhere.

Please resend.

Kerry

> On 11 Nov 2020, at 3:44 PM, 'Andy Logue' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi Mohamid.
> 
> I've just posted a message on this list about tutorials.   so Read my message 
> and you'll find a rather good tutorial from Janet iberge.
> 
> Very best wishes.
> 
> Andy
> - Original Message - From: "muhammad babar Shahzad" 
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> Subject: Request for a tutorial about pages
> 
> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> As the subject states, I have to complete university assignments for which I 
>> would like to switch over to pages on my MacBook. Could you please share any 
>> tips, tricks or a complete tutorial about pages.
>> Thanks,
>> Muhammad.
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RE: Request for a tutorial about pages

[esubalew21]

Hello,
I am also interested in learning Pages.
Thanks

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Sight Shots
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 1:57 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Request for a tutorial about pages

Sure!
I can help you learn how to work in pages!
My pleasure!
In the next email I would send you some tips and tricks and even my tutorial 
and course.
Thank you for asking!
Wait for my email I would help you soon!
Have a great day!

On 11/11/20, 'Andy Logue' via MacVisionaries  
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> I've just posted a message on this list about tutorials.   so Read my
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>> Thanks,
>> Muhammad.
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Re: Voice control of Amazon microwave via Alexa app on iPhone? Can this be done after setting up the oven and linking it to Alexa? Or do I have to have that Echo Dot also connected to Alexa? I won’t b

[Phil Halton]

Hi Janet, I got the microwave today and it is set up and working. I 
pre-positioned a lock dot on the number two with the help of be my eyes in 
preparation for the set up, and it worked great. You can use the Alexa app to 
operate the microwave without an Echo Dot or other echo device. Although, it is 
probably a lot easier with the echo device and the Alexa button. I have an Echo 
Dot coming in a week or so, but I can use the microwave just fine using the 
Alexa app until then.


I’ve been using an old clunker of a microwave with only two rotary knobs that 
I’ve had for 17 years now. I figured it’s going to give out some day soon 
perhaps, actually will probably last another 10 or 20 years, but the Amazon 
basics is definitely a good upgrade and I like the voice control. thanks for 
your article, it made the decision process a lot easier. Sent from my IPhone


> On Nov 10, 2020, at 8:32 PM, Janet Ingber  wrote:
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> Hi Phil,
> 
> To the best of my knowledge you will need the  Dot. You will use the Alexa 
> app to pair the microwave with the dot. 
> 
> Best,
> JanetSent from my iPhone
> 
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>> Sent from my IPhone
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RE: Request for a tutorial about pages

[esubalew21]

Hello,
I am interested too please.
Thanks 
Ethan

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Sure!
I can help you learn how to work in pages!
My pleasure!
In the next email I would send you some tips and tricks and even my tutorial 
and course.
Thank you for asking!
Wait for my email I would help you soon!
Have a great day!

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>
> I've just posted a message on this list about tutorials.   so Read my
> message and you'll find a rather good tutorial from Janet iberge.
>
> Very best wishes.
>
> Andy
> - Original Message -
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> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 7:05 PM
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>
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>> Hello Everyone,
>> As the subject states, I have to complete university assignments for 
>> which
>>
>> I would like to switch over to pages on my MacBook. Could you please 
>> share
>>
>> any tips, tricks or a complete tutorial about pages.
>> Thanks,
>> Muhammad.
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Re: Request for a tutorial about pages

[Sight Shots]

Sure!
I can help you learn how to work in pages!
My pleasure!
In the next email I would send you some tips and tricks and even my
tutorial and course.
Thank you for asking!
Wait for my email I would help you soon!
Have a great day!

On 11/11/20, 'Andy Logue' via MacVisionaries
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> Hi Mohamid.
>
> I've just posted a message on this list about tutorials.   so Read my
> message and you'll find a rather good tutorial from Janet iberge.
>
> Very best wishes.
>
> Andy
> - Original Message -
> From: "muhammad babar Shahzad" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 7:05 PM
> Subject: Request for a tutorial about pages
>
>
>> Hello Everyone,
>> As the subject states, I have to complete university assignments for which
>>
>> I would like to switch over to pages on my MacBook. Could you please share
>>
>> any tips, tricks or a complete tutorial about pages.
>> Thanks,
>> Muhammad.
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Re: Request for a tutorial about pages

['Andy Logue' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Mohamid.

I've just posted a message on this list about tutorials.   so Read my 
message and you'll find a rather good tutorial from Janet iberge.


Very best wishes.

Andy
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Hello Everyone,
As the subject states, I have to complete university assignments for which 
I would like to switch over to pages on my MacBook. Could you please share 
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Thanks,
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Request for a tutorial about pages

[muhammad babar Shahzad]

Hello Everyone,
As the subject states, I have to complete university assignments for which I 
would like to switch over to pages on my MacBook. Could you please share any 
tips, tricks or a complete tutorial about pages.
Thanks,
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Mark's printer is wonderful!

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hello.

I have acquired the printer that Mark wrote about and now after getting a bit 
of help with setting it up as there was lots of sellotape on it, it was easy to 
set the printer up.  I love this printer as I have used it twice.  I don’t know 
where the envelope feeder is and I am not sure what the top thing is that you 
can pull forward.

Kawal.

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Re: Blood oxygen feature on the iPhone 6.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I don’t understand above the camera.  I tried to use the camera at the back of 
the phone.  If that is not correct, how do you know where the front camera is 
and how would you line up your item to get it with the front of the camera?

> On 10 Nov 2020, at 15:35, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> I normally first tries to pair it by holding the watch above the camera.
> If that fails I pair it manually.
> /A
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>> 10 nov. 2020 kl. 14:33 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
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>> Hi Kawal,
>> 
>> Pairing the watch manually isn’t that hard. I’ve always set up my watches 
>> that way. A code is sent to your watch, and you just enter it on the phone.
>> 
>> Re your other question, Blood oxygen is an app. So, press the Digital Crown 
>> to go into your apps, and then scroll down to Blood Oxygen and double tap. 
>> The watch will guide you through the rest.
>> HTH,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 7:28 AM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> I opened my Apple Watch 6  after it had been sitting in my cupboard for 
>>> over a three or two week period as I waited to get my I phone 12 Pro.
>>> 
>>> So when I started it, it was speaking a foreign language and voice over 
>>> didn’t give the English option.  So I waited for my cleaner to come and 
>>> pair the watch for me as she could hold it up to the camera on my I phone. 
>>> How does one line the watch to their I phone camera?  If I were to pair it 
>>> manually it would probably take me half a day!
>>> 
>>> Anyway, it’s all set up.  So my question is how do you get the Blood oxygen 
>>> to work?  The only thing is if I wash my hands or dishes it will count down 
>>> the seconds.  Clever though, it knows when you have your hands in the water.
>>> 
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Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

[Brad Snyder]

As I stated in my earlier post, Catalina has been out for a year, and is really 
quite stable for the most part.
For anyone not already on Catalina, I would suggest upgrading to Catalina, and 
then give it awhile before upgrading to Big Sur.  This way you will give the 
bug-hunters awhile to discover any issues, and Apple an opportunity to respond 
with a fix before you jump in head first.
This is what I always do when a new version of the OS is released.  I always 
wait until the point 1 or point 2 version before taking the jump on my primary 
Mac.

- Brad -


On Nov 11, 2020, at 09:14, Dave Carlson  wrote:

Adding to this thread…I just learned that TurboTax for 2020 is the last year 
they will make the program useable on Mojave or older. Tax year 2021 version 
requires Catalina or higher to work. So there’s the opposite concern over 
changing or not changing.

Dave Carlson
Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer

> On Nov 11, 2020, at 12:01 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hello all. I'll address Pete's question first. Catalina and up drop support 
> for 32 bit apps. Therefore if you want to upgrade to either Catalina or Big 
> Sur, I'd see if the apps you're using have a 64-bit version before taking the 
> plunge.
> As for the question of whether or not you should upgrade to Big Sur, 
> Voiceover doesn't have any show stopping bugs that I can see. There might be 
> some minor annoyances here and there, but all in all it's pretty stable. 
> Other reasons why you should upgrade that I can think of are you'll get the 
> new security patches that come with the OS, and if you're thinking of getting 
> one of the new silicon based Macs, they'll come with Big Sur out of the box. 
> So you should really get familiarized with the new features and changes 
> before you get your new Mac.
> 
> Regards,
> Shawn,
> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
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>> On Nov 11, 2020, at 1:02 AM, 'user' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> Big Sur runs on the following Macs:
>>  • MacBook: Early 2015 or newer.
>>  • MacBook Air: Mid 2013 or newer.
>>  • MacBook Pro: Late 2013 or newer.
>>  • Mac Mini: Late 2014 or newer.
>>  • iMac: Mid 2014 or newer.
>>  • iMac Pro.
>>  • Mac Pro: Late 2013 or newer.
>> 
>> Cheers Trevor
>> 
>>> On 10 Nov 2020, at 19:50, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lorie, you and I are in the exact same position, so I’ll be interested in 
>>> what others say as well because I, too, am comfortable with I have now. I 
>>> so far can do everything I want to, and since I’m retired I’m not in a work 
>>> situation where I would depend on it more than I am now.
>>> 
>>> Pete De Vasto
>>> 
 On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 what would you reommend for a Mac mini that I got at the very end of 2014? 
 I'm currently running Mojave and am comfortable with it but I don't want 
 to lag too far behind unless my hardware has trouble going there.
 
 Lorie
 
> On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:31 AM, maurice Mines  
> wrote:
> 
> I would say the question was how old is the hardware? If you're hardware 
> it's older than five years don't upgrade. If it is new say 2018 to 
> present, send certainly upgrade upgrade in the operating system it's a 
> good idea at all times unless there's some extreme reason why you should 
> not remember the bad guys out there are looking for machines with all 
> their operating systems a.k.a. machines point security holes. In other 
> words the bad guys look for is running old operating system so that they 
> can fine with compromise them. Machines running new operating system's, 
> Meaning current operating systems are much harder to be compromised by 
> the bad guys. In other words long story short I always upgrade. For that 
> very specific reason. Ausel accessibility chance to follow the current 
> operating system.
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
> Please note, the above text has been dictated to the computer, using 
> apples built-in dictation software. Please excuse any errors that are in 
> the above text. If there's something that I've written above that you 
> don't understand, please ask me what my original intent was? I make every 
> effort to clear up any misunderstandings that may arise from the above 
> text. Thank you very much for reading this.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 16:47, Karen Lewellen  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> Granted I am not personally facing the issue, but my general 

Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

[Dave Carlson]

Adding to this thread…I just learned that TurboTax for 2020 is the last year 
they will make the program useable on Mojave or older. Tax year 2021 version 
requires Catalina or higher to work. So there’s the opposite concern over 
changing or not changing.

Dave Carlson
Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer

> On Nov 11, 2020, at 12:01 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello all. I'll address Pete's question first. Catalina and up drop support 
> for 32 bit apps. Therefore if you want to upgrade to either Catalina or Big 
> Sur, I'd see if the apps you're using have a 64-bit version before taking the 
> plunge.
> As for the question of whether or not you should upgrade to Big Sur, 
> Voiceover doesn't have any show stopping bugs that I can see. There might be 
> some minor annoyances here and there, but all in all it's pretty stable. 
> Other reasons why you should upgrade that I can think of are you'll get the 
> new security patches that come with the OS, and if you're thinking of getting 
> one of the new silicon based Macs, they'll come with Big Sur out of the box. 
> So you should really get familiarized with the new features and changes 
> before you get your new Mac.
> 
> Regards,
> Shawn,
> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
> 
> Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
> Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email with 
> your contact information and I'll happily add you.
> 
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Nov 11, 2020, at 1:02 AM, 'user' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> Big Sur runs on the following Macs:
>>  • MacBook: Early 2015 or newer.
>>  • MacBook Air: Mid 2013 or newer.
>>  • MacBook Pro: Late 2013 or newer.
>>  • Mac Mini: Late 2014 or newer.
>>  • iMac: Mid 2014 or newer.
>>  • iMac Pro.
>>  • Mac Pro: Late 2013 or newer.
>> 
>> Cheers Trevor
>> 
>>> On 10 Nov 2020, at 19:50, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lorie, you and I are in the exact same position, so I’ll be interested in 
>>> what others say as well because I, too, am comfortable with I have now. I 
>>> so far can do everything I want to, and since I’m retired I’m not in a work 
>>> situation where I would depend on it more than I am now.
>>> 
>>> Pete De Vasto
>>> 
 On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 what would you reommend for a Mac mini that I got at the very end of 2014? 
 I'm currently running Mojave and am comfortable with it but I don't want 
 to lag too far behind unless my hardware has trouble going there.
 
 Lorie
 
> On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:31 AM, maurice Mines  
> wrote:
> 
> I would say the question was how old is the hardware? If you're hardware 
> it's older than five years don't upgrade. If it is new say 2018 to 
> present, send certainly upgrade upgrade in the operating system it's a 
> good idea at all times unless there's some extreme reason why you should 
> not remember the bad guys out there are looking for machines with all 
> their operating systems a.k.a. machines point security holes. In other 
> words the bad guys look for is running old operating system so that they 
> can fine with compromise them. Machines running new operating system's, 
> Meaning current operating systems are much harder to be compromised by 
> the bad guys. In other words long story short I always upgrade. For that 
> very specific reason. Ausel accessibility chance to follow the current 
> operating system.
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
> Please note, the above text has been dictated to the computer, using 
> apples built-in dictation software. Please excuse any errors that are in 
> the above text. If there's something that I've written above that you 
> don't understand, please ask me what my original intent was? I make every 
> effort to clear up any misunderstandings that may arise from the above 
> text. Thank you very much for reading this.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 16:47, Karen Lewellen  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> Granted I am not personally facing the issue, but my general advice is 
>> to consider  what you cannot do now that you desire doing. or what might 
>> be done with greater ease?
>> If upgrading will do things better, without breaking things that work, 
>> then  moving to something equally stable makes sense.  If not?  And the 
>> next os might bring you more? then wait.
>> Just be certain you are gaining by making the move.
>> best,
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2020, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks, Brad. That's my leaning, but I thought that before I did, I'd 
>>> see what others 

Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thank you, Shawn. This is exactly what I wanted to know. I remember that when 
Catalina first came out, there were a lot of issues. That was my original 
reason for delaying the upgrade. So, if Big Sur is stable, I think I’ll just 
skip Catalina altogether.
Cheers,
Donna
 

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 11, 2020, at 2:02 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello all. I'll address Pete's question first. Catalina and up drop support 
> for 32 bit apps. Therefore if you want to upgrade to either Catalina or Big 
> Sur, I'd see if the apps you're using have a 64-bit version before taking the 
> plunge.
> As for the question of whether or not you should upgrade to Big Sur, 
> Voiceover doesn't have any show stopping bugs that I can see. There might be 
> some minor annoyances here and there, but all in all it's pretty stable. 
> Other reasons why you should upgrade that I can think of are you'll get the 
> new security patches that come with the OS, and if you're thinking of getting 
> one of the new silicon based Macs, they'll come with Big Sur out of the box. 
> So you should really get familiarized with the new features and changes 
> before you get your new Mac.
> 
> Regards,
> Shawn,
> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
> 
> Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
> Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email with 
> your contact information and I'll happily add you.
> 
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>>> On Nov 11, 2020, at 1:02 AM, 'user' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Big Sur runs on the following Macs:
>>> MacBook: Early 2015 or newer.
>>> MacBook Air: Mid 2013 or newer.
>>> MacBook Pro: Late 2013 or newer.
>>> Mac Mini: Late 2014 or newer.
>>> iMac: Mid 2014 or newer.
>>> iMac Pro.
>>> Mac Pro: Late 2013 or newer.
>>> 
>>> Cheers Trevor
>>> 
>>> On 10 Nov 2020, at 19:50, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lorie, you and I are in the exact same position, so I’ll be interested in 
>>> what others say as well because I, too, am comfortable with I have now. I 
>>> so far can do everything I want to, and since I’m retired I’m not in a work 
>>> situation where I would depend on it more than I am now.
>>> 
>>> Pete De Vasto
>>> 
 On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 what would you reommend for a Mac mini that I got at the very end of 2014? 
 I'm currently running Mojave and am comfortable with it but I don't want 
 to lag too far behind unless my hardware has trouble going there.
 
 Lorie
 
> On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:31 AM, maurice Mines  
> wrote:
> 
> I would say the question was how old is the hardware? If you're hardware 
> it's older than five years don't upgrade. If it is new say 2018 to 
> present, send certainly upgrade upgrade in the operating system it's a 
> good idea at all times unless there's some extreme reason why you should 
> not remember the bad guys out there are looking for machines with all 
> their operating systems a.k.a. machines point security holes. In other 
> words the bad guys look for is running old operating system so that they 
> can fine with compromise them. Machines running new operating system's, 
> Meaning current operating systems are much harder to be compromised by 
> the bad guys. In other words long story short I always upgrade. For that 
> very specific reason. Ausel accessibility chance to follow the current 
> operating system.
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
> Please note, the above text has been dictated to the computer, using 
> apples built-in dictation software. Please excuse any errors that are in 
> the above text. If there's something that I've written above that you 
> don't understand, please ask me what my original intent was? I make every 
> effort to clear up any misunderstandings that may arise from the above 
> text. Thank you very much for reading this.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 16:47, Karen Lewellen  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> Granted I am not personally facing the issue, but my general advice is 
>> to consider  what you cannot do now that you desire doing. or what might 
>> be done with greater ease?
>> If upgrading will do things better, without breaking things that work, 
>> then  moving to something equally stable makes sense.  If not?  And the 
>> next os might bring you more? then wait.
>> Just be certain you are gaining by making the move.
>> best,
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2020, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Brad. That's my leaning, but I thought that before I did, I'd 
>>> see what others think.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 

Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

Hello all. I'll address Pete's question first. Catalina and up drop support for 
32 bit apps. Therefore if you want to upgrade to either Catalina or Big Sur, 
I'd see if the apps you're using have a 64-bit version before taking the plunge.
As for the question of whether or not you should upgrade to Big Sur, Voiceover 
doesn't have any show stopping bugs that I can see. There might be some minor 
annoyances here and there, but all in all it's pretty stable. Other reasons why 
you should upgrade that I can think of are you'll get the new security patches 
that come with the OS, and if you're thinking of getting one of the new silicon 
based Macs, they'll come with Big Sur out of the box. So you should really get 
familiarized with the new features and changes before you get your new Mac.

Regards,
Shawn,
Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air

Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email with 
your contact information and I'll happily add you.

Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

> On Nov 11, 2020, at 1:02 AM, 'user' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   
> Big Sur runs on the following Macs:
> MacBook: Early 2015 or newer.
> MacBook Air: Mid 2013 or newer.
> MacBook Pro: Late 2013 or newer.
> Mac Mini: Late 2014 or newer.
> iMac: Mid 2014 or newer.
> iMac Pro.
> Mac Pro: Late 2013 or newer.
> 
> Cheers Trevor
> 
>> On 10 Nov 2020, at 19:50, Pete De Vasto > > wrote:
>> 
>> Lorie, you and I are in the exact same position, so I’ll be interested in 
>> what others say as well because I, too, am comfortable with I have now. I so 
>> far can do everything I want to, and since I’m retired I’m not in a work 
>> situation where I would depend on it more than I am now.
>> 
>> Pete De Vasto
>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> what would you reommend for a Mac mini that I got at the very end of 2014? 
>>> I'm currently running Mojave and am comfortable with it but I don't want to 
>>> lag too far behind unless my hardware has trouble going there.
>>> 
>>> Lorie
>>> 
 On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:31 AM, maurice Mines >>> > wrote:
 
 I would say the question was how old is the hardware? If you're hardware 
 it's older than five years don't upgrade. If it is new say 2018 to 
 present, send certainly upgrade upgrade in the operating system it's a 
 good idea at all times unless there's some extreme reason why you should 
 not remember the bad guys out there are looking for machines with all 
 their operating systems a.k.a. machines point security holes. In other 
 words the bad guys look for is running old operating system so that they 
 can fine with compromise them. Machines running new operating system's, 
 Meaning current operating systems are much harder to be compromised by the 
 bad guys. In other words long story short I always upgrade. For that very 
 specific reason. Ausel accessibility chance to follow the current 
 operating system.
 
 Sincerely Maurice Mines.
 Please note, the above text has been dictated to the computer, using 
 apples built-in dictation software. Please excuse any errors that are in 
 the above text. If there's something that I've written above that you 
 don't understand, please ask me what my original intent was? I make every 
 effort to clear up any misunderstandings that may arise from the above 
 text. Thank you very much for reading this.
 
 
> On Nov 10, 2020, at 16:47, Karen Lewellen  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> Granted I am not personally facing the issue, but my general advice is to 
> consider  what you cannot do now that you desire doing. or what might be 
> done with greater ease?
> If upgrading will do things better, without breaking things that work, 
> then  moving to something equally stable makes sense.  If not?  And the 
> next os might bring you more? then wait.
> Just be certain you are gaining by making the move.
> best,
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2020, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Thanks, Brad. That's my leaning, but I thought that before I did, I'd 
>> see what others think.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Catalina is extremely stable.
>>> I would recommend that you upgrade to Catalina, and wait a while on Big 
>>> Sur. Give it some time and see how it works out. Then maybe upgrade to 
>>> it.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 07:28, 'Donna Goodin' via