Re: Safari on a Mac

[Lorie McCloud]

tonight I didn't have any trouble with it. I don't know what's going on. maybe 
last night's link was broken or somerthing.

> On Nov 17, 2020, at 11:41 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> If you can, send a link to the website, and I’ll check it out.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 22:22, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> I did try those things. I thought it ws just that the site might be kind of 
> inaccessible but then it happened in an email. guess that wouldn't be Safari 
> would it? what I did that time was to arrow down to the link I wanted but 
> when I was pressing vo-command-l vo would say the link but the action 
> wouldn't happen. I'll mess around with it some more.
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2020, at 8:01 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> Without knowing what website you are visiting, or anything else about your 
>> situation; I have found that sometimes, it is helpful to route the mouse 
>> pointer to the VoiceOver cursor using VO + CMD + F5, then perform the 
>> VoiceOver mouse click using VO + Shift + Spacebar, to select/activate a link.
>> 
>> I don’t know if this will help, but you might want to give it a try. 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 17, 2020, at 19:49, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> I'm running Mojave on my Mac mini. for the past few days I've been having 
>> focus trouble in Safari. I'll land on a link and press vo-space on it but 
>> nothing happens or it'll say a word not in the link as though focus is 
>> somewhere else. how do I adjust this?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: Wiring Discrepancies in 3.5 mm Jacks

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, Dave:

Yes, it does have to do with TRS terminations. Why is, of course, a
business/philosophical question I can't answer. How is also something I
can't describe off the top of my head, but I did find this web link:

https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/4bxjn8/whats_the_deal_with_ios_vs_android_inline_controls/

And yet more detailed info here, including some history of how we got
here in these links:

https://www.headphonesty.com/2019/04/headphone-jacks-plugs-explained/

https://www.provideocoalition.com/ts-trs-trrs-trrrs-combating-the-misconnection-epidemic/

And here possibly an even more clearly articulated explanation:

http://wiki.robotz.com/index.php/TRRS_Phono_Plug


This last article notes the existence of plugs that will remedy the
problem our friend has experienced, i.e. swap the terminations--but one
would need to find the appropriate converter plug.

Personal note on this -- I first ran into this issue over a decade ago
when I bought a Bose Quiet Comfort 3 noise cancelling headset. Many is
the flight I took with those Bose playing no music, simply cancelling
much of the jet engine noise while I tried to sleep.

The Quiet Comfort came with two cables. One was for use with Apple
devices, the other for use with PCs and Android. This is where I became
experientially aware of the discrepencies.

hth

Janina


Dave Carlson writes:
> Janina
> 
> Do you have any way to describe specifically why there are differences in 
> Apple’s implementation  of the headphone jacks versus Windows and others? I 
> am guessing it’s in the electrical connection to the T-R-S contacts on the 
> jacks and plugs, correct?
> In other words, why are they different?
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Woodworker, Oregonian, Pioneer, Musician, Engineer, and Farfar
> 
> > On Nov 16, 2020, at 11:28 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Janina
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Re: Am I write and thinking that the Mac mini from 2018 does not have a headset jack?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, and mine is currently working just fine connected to a Mackie 1202
audio mixer. The Mackie seems tolerant both ways around as I've had all
manner of audio devices connected without issue.

Brad Snyder writes:
> I am using a pair of Logitech speakers purchased from Best Buy about two 
> years ago, that I am now using on my 2018 seriesMac mini, which was purchased 
> new in 2020.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 01:31, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Don't bother replacing the speakers. The same thing will happen. Unless
> they have a model specificallyh designed for Apple Mac or IOS devices, I
> would simply return them for a refund and look for a different option.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> matthew dyer writes:
> > Hi Brad and all,
> > 
> > Just tried pair of ear buds with a 3.5 jack and they work fine.  I am 
> > incline to thingk it is a bad set they gave me since they do not work on 
> > any of my other devices.  What a shame.  They power up, but they do not 
> > show up as an option in sound preferences. There is  9only internal 
> > speaker, then an empty item which vo just says name then airplay device.
> > 
> > Matthew
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Nov 15, 2020, at 5:20 PM, Brad Snyder 
> > mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
> > 
> > I’ve had speakers similar to this that I used on a Windows PC at work.  
> > They functioned just fine on my Windows machine, so I am wondering why you 
> > are having a problem using them on a Mac mini.
> > I know you said you can see a little green light, so you know the speakers 
> > have power.
> > I’m wondering if there is a way to make sure there is not a problem with 
> > the audio output jack.
> > Perhaps you could try plugging in a pair of 3.5 mm headphones into the 
> > audio output jack to see if they will work,, or try a different pair of 
> > speakers.
> > 
> > - Brad -
> > 
> > 
> > On Nov 15, 2020, at 15:54, matthew dyer 
> > mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Hi PPeet,
> > 
> > Here you,.  Thees are usb speakers and are suposivly plug and play.  You 
> > plug in the usb end into the USB port of your machine which is how they get 
> > power and then youplugin the 3.5 mm end into the jack for sound output.  
> > With that here is the link.
> > 
> > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DDK3W5D/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
> > 
> > Matthew
> > 
> > 
> > On Nov 15, 2020, at 12:21 PM, Pete De Vasto 
> > mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Matthew,
> > 
> > Would you be willing to share the brand and model of your speakers? I’m 
> > intrigued by you saying that the cord has a USB plug on one end and a 
> > 3.5-inch plug on the other, and I’d like to learn more about the concept.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Pete De Vasto
> > 
> > On Nov 14, 2020, at 12:26 PM, matthew dyer 
> > mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Peet,
> > 
> > I still have sound through the internal speeker even wile the speakers 
> > connected.  Other headphones work far as I know.  I am guessing it is the 
> > speakers themselfs but not sure as I sill have a surface pro I might be 
> > able to test with.  My linux machine did not work there either.
> > 
> > The cord has a usb connecter on one end which plugs into a USB port and the 
> > other  end is a 3.5 mm jack which plugs into a  3.5 jack.  Both are plugged 
> > in so not sure.  What is going on.
> > 
> > Matthew
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Nov 14, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Pete De Vasto 
> > mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I have a couple of questions about this, and I’m sure you’ve looked at 
> > these, but I feel better at least asking. First, do you have any other 
> > devices with 3.5-inch jacks that you can connect your speakers to, do they 
> > work with these other devices? Next, do you by chance have a pair of 
> > headphones that have a 3.5-inch mini plug? If so, have you tried connecting 
> > these headphones to the jack on your Mac mini? Also, if there’s a volume 
> > adjustment somewhere in System Prefs, have you checked it to make sure you 
> > have it at any level, like maybe even 50%? Another idea, if you have music 
> > on your computer, try playing a song or other audio content. I’m wondering 
> > if there may be something in VO that’s affecting things when you switch 
> > audio output from internal speakers to the output jack. Finally, perhaps 
> > something is muted? I hope these aren’t too goofy a bunch of questions.
> > 
> > Pete De Vasto.
> > 
> > On Nov 14, 2020, at 8:27 AM, matthew dyer 
> > mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Yes and this is a shame as I really want to get thees speakers running on 
> > this machine.  Oh well I guess I will have to keep hunting for something 
> > that works.  Like I said I can confirm that they have power.  VO just says 
> > name which is empty.
> > 
> > Matthew
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Nov 14, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Brad Snyder 
> > mailto:

Re: Am I write and thinking that the Mac mini from 2018 does not have a headset jack?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, Matthew:

OK, since you already have the replacement unit and assuming the same
behavior turns up, you have another option.

There are converter plugs that will swap the appropriate leads. If you
can find the appropriate converter plug, this may be a workable option.
You may want to contact the manufacturer of those speakers, if possible. They 
need to
be more on top of such things.

Good luck, and let us know how you progress.

Best,

Janina

matthew dyer writes:
> Good morning,
> 
> I unfortionetly opened the box and tore it opened it, but will be looking 
> forsomething else for sure.  Will have to see whart I can come up with.  
> Anyqway.  I'm sure I will see what I can do.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 2:31 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Am I write and thinking that the Mac mini from 2018 does not 
> have a headset jack?
> 
> Don't bother replacing the speakers. The same thing will happen. Unless they 
> have a model specificallyh designed for Apple Mac or IOS devices, I would 
> simply return them for a refund and look for a different option.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> matthew dyer writes:
> > Hi Brad and all,
> > 
> > Just tried pair of ear buds with a 3.5 jack and they work fine.  I am 
> > incline to thingk it is a bad set they gave me since they do not work on 
> > any of my other devices.  What a shame.  They power up, but they do not 
> > show up as an option in sound preferences. There is  9only internal 
> > speaker, then an empty item which vo just says name then airplay device.
> > 
> > Matthew
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Nov 15, 2020, at 5:20 PM, Brad Snyder 
> > mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
> > 
> > I’ve had speakers similar to this that I used on a Windows PC at work.  
> > They functioned just fine on my Windows machine, so I am wondering why you 
> > are having a problem using them on a Mac mini.
> > I know you said you can see a little green light, so you know the speakers 
> > have power.
> > I’m wondering if there is a way to make sure there is not a problem with 
> > the audio output jack.
> > Perhaps you could try plugging in a pair of 3.5 mm headphones into the 
> > audio output jack to see if they will work,, or try a different pair of 
> > speakers.
> > 
> > - Brad -
> > 
> > 
> > On Nov 15, 2020, at 15:54, matthew dyer 
> > mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Hi PPeet,
> > 
> > Here you,.  Thees are usb speakers and are suposivly plug and play.  You 
> > plug in the usb end into the USB port of your machine which is how they get 
> > power and then youplugin the 3.5 mm end into the jack for sound output.  
> > With that here is the link.
> > 
> > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DDK3W5D/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_titl
> > e_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
> > 
> > Matthew
> > 
> > 
> > On Nov 15, 2020, at 12:21 PM, Pete De Vasto 
> > mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Matthew,
> > 
> > Would you be willing to share the brand and model of your speakers? I’m 
> > intrigued by you saying that the cord has a USB plug on one end and a 
> > 3.5-inch plug on the other, and I’d like to learn more about the concept.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Pete De Vasto
> > 
> > On Nov 14, 2020, at 12:26 PM, matthew dyer 
> > mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Peet,
> > 
> > I still have sound through the internal speeker even wile the speakers 
> > connected.  Other headphones work far as I know.  I am guessing it is the 
> > speakers themselfs but not sure as I sill have a surface pro I might be 
> > able to test with.  My linux machine did not work there either.
> > 
> > The cord has a usb connecter on one end which plugs into a USB port and the 
> > other  end is a 3.5 mm jack which plugs into a  3.5 jack.  Both are plugged 
> > in so not sure.  What is going on.
> > 
> > Matthew
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Nov 14, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Pete De Vasto 
> > mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I have a couple of questions about this, and I’m sure you’ve looked at 
> > these, but I feel better at least asking. First, do you have any other 
> > devices with 3.5-inch jacks that you can connect your speakers to, do they 
> > work with these other devices? Next, do you by chance have a pair of 
> > headphones that have a 3.5-inch mini plug? If so, have you tried connecting 
> > these headphones to the jack on your Mac mini? Also, if there’s a volume 
> > adjustment somewhere in System Prefs, have you checked it to make sure you 
> > have it at any level, like maybe even 50%? Another idea, if you have music 
> > on your computer, try playing a song or other audio content. I’m wondering 
> > if there may be something in VO that’s affecting things when you switch 
> > audio output from internal speakers to the output jack. Finally, perhaps 
> > something is muted? I hope these aren’t too goofy a bunch of questions.

Re: Time for a new Mac

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks for this info, Brad. I was frankly surprised by the behavior I'm
seeing since the hub I have is genuine Apple bought directly from Apple.
Go figure.

I'm connected to the Mini over what appears to be USB-C. The hub gives
me several ports, including USB-A and HDMI.

I wonder whether it matters which Mini port I use? As I feel around the
backplane of my Mini, I notice a lonely port next to the RJ45 connector
that seems to be USB-C. Perhaps I'll try moving the hub on next reboot
and see what happens over a few reboots.

Nevertheless, good to know it's not something in the Mini itself. That's
actually very encouraging.

Janina

Brad Snyder writes:
> Janina,
> 
> That is disappointing to hear that devices connected to your USB hub do not 
> automatically reconnect on reboot.
> I have the exact same Mac mini as you, and I am using a Belkin USB hub 
> purchased from the Apple store, and I do not experience this issue with the 
> Belkin hub.
> This makes me feel the issue is with the USB hub you were using, and not the 
> Mac mini.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 01:06, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Steve:
> 
> Janina here ...
> 
> I purchased a fully loaded Mac Mini earlier this calendar year and I'm
> generally quite pleased with it. I added a BT keyboard to my order, and
> it's the keyboard I use most often though I have also added the Mini to
> my USB based KVM. The KVM also works well with a simple swap of the
> Windows and Alt keys from a PC. I would note the swapping didn't work
> properly until I got sighted assistance, but has been rock solid since.
> Whatever! 
> 
> The only downside I've experienced is not enough USB ports. Yes, I have
> Apple's extra ports dongle thingie, but it doesn't recognize plugged in
> USB devices on reboot. Pulling the USB connector and plugging it into a
> different USB port fixes things--but one shouldn't have to do such
> things just because one rebooted.
> 
> If my needs were postponable, I would tend to want to wait for the new
> Apple CPU which should provide significantly improved performance. I now
> have two Macs, my Mini and a 2013 vcintage Airbook. I expect to replace
> the Airbook sometime after the new laptops with the new CPU come to
> market. Until then, I can still run Big Sur on mine--but it's likely the
> end for me there, too.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> Steve Matzura writes:
> > My 2012 Mac Mini is nearing the end of its natural life. It's already not
> > possible to upgrade to Big Sur, but more than that, it now runs quite hot
> > and acts squirelly after an hour or so of just sitting there doing nothing,
> > then when I give it something to do, it really starts acting like a person
> > would act who has a high temperature--gets sluggish, misses keystrokes,
> > takes way too long to do things that took mere minutes, etc. Sometimes
> > VoiceOver lags in both speech output and navigation ... it's time to think
> > about a replacement.
> > 
> > 
> > So, what's your recommendation? I'd prefer a Mini, but an all-in-one would
> > be a fine second choice because it has a screen after all. I really do not
> > want a MacBook because I just don't have the horizontal real-estate anywhere
> > for anything even that small, which is why a stand-up all-in-one like an
> > iMac something would be far superior physically.
> > 
> > 
> > What do I use a Mac for? Not much other than Zoom, Pro Tools with Komplete
> > Kontrol, and occasionally Reaper, plus the usual handful of native
> > applications like Messages, Pages, Keynote, TextEdit, Calendar, and a few
> > others.
> > 
> > 
> > If I'm going to spend Mac money, it's got to be spent on something that'll
> > last me at least another six or seven years--up to the last operating system
> > version the system will allow--so I'd prefer to buy something new even
> > though it's big money rather than buy something a few years older that'll
> > only last me four more years or les.
> > 
> > 
> > Since nobody really knows much about the new M1 processor and how it behaves
> > with VoiceOver, not to mention music applications like Pro Tools and Reaper,
> > I'm hesitant to get one of those, but wow do they sound tempting and
> > sw'w'w'weet!
> > 
> > 
> > So, with those two things bracketing my choices--something new but maybe not
> > cutting-edge versus something a few years old that won't last the full
> > seven-year cycle, what are your thoughts?
> > 
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Re: Time for a new Mac

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

It's easy to miss typing enough zero's! 

That was actually my initial reaction to your email, i.e. a typo.

Janina

Brad Snyder writes:
> Janina Is correct.
> My earlier statement that the Mac mini had a 10/100 ethernet port was 
> incorrect.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 01:09, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> My 2020 vintage Mac Mini has a hardware ethernet port, ie. RJ45
> connector, and it's definitely a 1Gbps port.
> 
> There's an option for 10Gbps connector, as I recall from when I was
> shopping last spring.
> 
> Steve Matzura writes:
> > I don't remember seeing anything about an ethernet port, which concerns me
> > more than a little, but that's OK, I'm OK with getting an ethernet adapter
> > that's USB or Thunderbolt or whatever it is on the other end. And if it's
> > only 10/100, that's a big disappointment. I have near-gigabit Internet
> > connection, and I'll be hanged if a silly cheap 10/100Mb piece of hardware
> > is going to slow me down by a factor of almost ten.
> > 
> > 
> > On 11/12/2020 9:52 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:
> >> How exciting.  Congratulations on going for the new model.  I’m looking
> >> forward to hearing how you like it.
> >> From what I have read, the new minis have a 10/100 ethernet port, so you
> >> should be good for a wired network connection.
> >> 
> >> - Brad -
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Nov 12, 2020, at 20:29, Steve Matzura  >> > wrote:
> >> 
> >> Thanks, Brad.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> When I looked at Mini's jut now, I did not see the i7
> >> configuration--only the i5, but that shiny zippy new M1 chip
> >> configuration was just so enticing, well, I just had to go for it--the
> >> whole thing--full memory and full storage, and it wasn't much more
> >> expensive than the 2012 Mini was, which surprised me. . I am now
> >> over-the-top excited about getting it just a few days after my birthday.
> >> I got all the interface cables for Thunderbolt and USB thiks-and-that,
> >> too. The only thing I didn't see available was a network adapter or
> >> interface for ethernet because I'd much prefer a wired Internet
> >> connection than a wireless one even though the machine will only bee a
> >> few feet from the home router. I know there are, or may be, some issues
> >> regarding Big Sur with Pro Tools, Reaper and Komplete Kontrol, not to
> >> mention a few other third-party plugins and virtual software
> >> instruments, but I'm hopeful they'll be solved by Christmas time. Since
> >> the machine isn't coming until almost then anyway, I'm not particularly
> >> concerned about them, if they do exist.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On 11/12/2020 8:37 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:
> >>> I recently replaced my 2012 Mac mini.  It was exhibiting the same
> >>> behavior as yours, running hot when it had just been sitting doing
> >>> presumably nothing, and taking a long time to load applications or
> >>> boot up.
> >>> I replaced the old Mac mini with a new Mac mini, and have been very
> >>> happy with it.
> >>> My new mini has the i7 processor, with an excessive amount of RAM,
> >>> and I went with the 2TB SSD.  The performance is awesome, and I am
> >>> very happy with it.  I think it will serve me well for a long time.
> >>> While Apple has introduced a Mac mini with the M1 processor, they
> >>> still offer the Intel minis, both the i5 and i7 models, minus the
> >>> low-end i3 configuration, at the same prices as before Tuesday’s
> >>> introduction of the M1 models.
> >>> If you have been happy with your previous mini, this could be a good
> >>> option for you to consider.
> >>> 
> >>> - Brad -
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On Nov 12, 2020, at 18:42, Steve Matzura  >>> > wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> My 2012 Mac Mini is nearing the end of its natural life. It's
> >>> already not possible to upgrade to Big Sur, but more than that, it
> >>> now runs quite hot and acts squirelly after an hour or so of just
> >>> sitting there doing nothing, then when I give it something to do, it
> >>> really starts acting like a person would act who has a high
> >>> temperature--gets sluggish, misses keystrokes, takes way too long to
> >>> do things that took mere minutes, etc. Sometimes VoiceOver lags in
> >>> both speech output and navigation ... it's time to think about a
> >>> replacement.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> So, what's your recommendation? I'd prefer a Mini, but an all-in-one
> >>> would be a fine second choice because it has a screen after all. I
> >>> really do not want a MacBook because I just don't have the
> >>> horizontal real-estate anywhere for anything even that small, which
> >>> is why a stand-up all-in-one like an iMac something would be far
> >>> superior physically.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> What do I use a Mac for? Not much other than Zoom, Pro Tools with
> >>> Komplete Kontrol, and occasionally Reaper, plus the usual handful of
> >>> native applications like Messages, Pages, Keynote, TextEdit,
> >>> Calendar, and a few others.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> If I'm

Re: Am I write and thinking that the Mac mini from 2018 does not have a headset jack?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, you're correct, Brad. I was trying to point to the time of
acquisition, but could have been more precise about that.

Best,

Janina

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> Janina
> ,
> If you look under about this Mac, you will find that your 2020 Mac mini, is 
> really a 2018 Mac mini.
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Re: mac OS big sur: repeating ping sound

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I don't see the link. Could you maybe paste it into the body of the
message?

Alternative, you might want to search running processes for an instance
of ping and kill the process id.

The following terminal command may help:

sudo killall ping
Best,

Janina


Yuma Decaux writes:
> Hi All,
> 
> I've recorded myself on the system to demonstrate this repeating ping sound 
> that occurs without any input from me, and its starting to drive me 
> absolutely bonkers. it's very disrupting and annoying, and I would really 
> like to know what is going on, and how to turn this down. Attached below is a 
> dropbox link to the recording:
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> 
> 
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> 
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Re: Time for a new Mac

[Dave Carlson]

Janina,
I think I have that same Apple hub, with three USB-A, one HDM, one SD, one 
RJ-xx, and yes one USB-C slot. There’s another slot that might be for a smaller 
memory card, but not sure. I’ve also encountered times where I need to move my 
USB-A device from one port to another to get it to “wake up” in Finder on my 
Mac, so you’re not alone in wondering about it.
USB resources are assigned in real time as they are needed, and if the Mac 
works anything like the Windows system did, the resources continue to stack up 
without being recycled, and possibly run out of available  addresses. Hopefully 
these clear out upon system resets or re-boots, or power on/off cycles.


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Re: Wiring Discrepancies in 3.5 mm Jacks

[Dave Carlson]

Janina,

Yes, I’ll bet that different manufacturers use these contacts differently.

An Apple or other brand  plug  can have a tip, two rings, and the sleeve to 
make 4 contacts, and even if the ground is wired to the sleeve, the intended 
jack might have a larger sleeve contact that shorts out the next ring.

And the. wiring of the tip and two rings can be switched around, to make things 
more confusing.

So definitely important that the intended jack be used with the intended plug.

Not as standardized as with 1/4-inch plugs and jacks used in audio components.

Dave Carlson
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> On Nov 18, 2020, at 1:29 AM, Janina Sajka  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Dave:
> 
> Yes, it does have to do with TRS terminations. Why is, of course, a
> business/philosophical question I can't answer. How is also something I
> can't describe off the top of my head, but I did find this web link:
> 
> https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/4bxjn8/whats_the_deal_with_ios_vs_android_inline_controls/
> 
> And yet more detailed info here, including some history of how we got
> here in these links:
> 
> https://www.headphonesty.com/2019/04/headphone-jacks-plugs-explained/
> 
> https://www.provideocoalition.com/ts-trs-trrs-trrrs-combating-the-misconnection-epidemic/
> 
> And here possibly an even more clearly articulated explanation:
> 
> http://wiki.robotz.com/index.php/TRRS_Phono_Plug
> 
> 
> This last article notes the existence of plugs that will remedy the
> problem our friend has experienced, i.e. swap the terminations--but one
> would need to find the appropriate converter plug.
> 
> Personal note on this -- I first ran into this issue over a decade ago
> when I bought a Bose Quiet Comfort 3 noise cancelling headset. Many is
> the flight I took with those Bose playing no music, simply cancelling
> much of the jet engine noise while I tried to sleep.
> 
> The Quiet Comfort came with two cables. One was for use with Apple
> devices, the other for use with PCs and Android. This is where I became
> experientially aware of the discrepancies.
> 
> hth
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> Dave Carlson writes:
>> Janina
>> 
>> Do you have any way to describe specifically why there are differences in 
>> Apple’s implementation  of the headphone jacks versus Windows and others? I 
>> am guessing it’s in the electrical connection to the T-R-S contacts on the 
>> jacks and plugs, correct?
>> In other words, why are they different?
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Woodworker, Oregonian, Pioneer, Musician, Engineer, and Farfar
>> 
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>>> Janina
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Re: Safari on a Mac

[dan d.]

There is a vo system configuration to have the vo cursor track the system and 
mouse cursors.  That way the vo cursor is where you have navigated.  Vo key 
commands continue to work independently of this feature.
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020, Brad Snyder wrote:

> Without knowing what website you are visiting, or anything else about your 
> situation; I have found that sometimes, it is helpful to route the mouse 
> pointer to the VoiceOver cursor using VO + CMD + F5, then perform the 
> VoiceOver mouse click using VO + Shift + Spacebar, to select/activate a link.
>
> I don???t know if this will help, but you might want to give it a try.
>
> - Brad -
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 19:49, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>
> I'm running Mojave on my Mac mini. for the past few days I've been having 
> focus trouble in Safari. I'll land on a link and press vo-space on it but 
> nothing happens or it'll say a word not in the link as though focus is 
> somewhere else. how do I adjust this?
>
> thanks.
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Re: Safari on a Mac

[Kerryann Ifill]

Hi A few weeks ago, someone on the list mentioned issues with selecting and 
coming text from websites.

I’ve been searching mail and I can’t find the solution. As I too am having this 
challenge, could someone please guide as to how to resolve this problem?

Whenever I attempt to select stuff, VoiceOver immediately changes its focus and 
won’t allow me to copy.

Thanks
Kerry

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> If you can, send a link to the website, and I’ll check it out.
> 
> - Brad -
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> 
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 22:22, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
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> I did try those things. I thought it ws just that the site might be kind of 
> inaccessible but then it happened in an email. guess that wouldn't be Safari 
> would it? what I did that time was to arrow down to the link I wanted but 
> when I was pressing vo-command-l vo would say the link but the action 
> wouldn't happen. I'll mess around with it some more.
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2020, at 8:01 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> Without knowing what website you are visiting, or anything else about your 
>> situation; I have found that sometimes, it is helpful to route the mouse 
>> pointer to the VoiceOver cursor using VO + CMD + F5, then perform the 
>> VoiceOver mouse click using VO + Shift + Spacebar, to select/activate a link.
>> 
>> I don’t know if this will help, but you might want to give it a try. 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 17, 2020, at 19:49, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> I'm running Mojave on my Mac mini. for the past few days I've been having 
>> focus trouble in Safari. I'll land on a link and press vo-space on it but 
>> nothing happens or it'll say a word not in the link as though focus is 
>> somewhere else. how do I adjust this?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Apple Mail on IOS: how to set up All Junk mail box

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello,
Thanks for the tip of pressing the edit button above the list of all mail 
boxes. I tried this but alas All Junk was not in the list of possible mail 
boxes while All Sent, All Drafts, All Rubbish and All Archive were in this 
list. Strangely on Bigsur on my iMac All Junk is in the list of possible mail 
boxes. Mail set up on IOS and Bigsur are identical.
I recall that in the past I had to do something  to create say All Archive and 
if I could remember what I did I could do the same to create All Junk.
Any ideas?
Many thanks …. Paul Hopewell 

I am running IOS 14.2 on my iPhoneSE 2020. I have 3 Email accounts. Some time 
ago on an older IOS release I set up All Inbox, All Draft, All Archive and All 
Bin mail boxes which are all very useful. Alas I cannot remember how I did that 
and google offers no help. I now want to set up an All Junk mail box.
Does anyone know how to do this?
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Re: Apple Mail on IOS: how to set up All Junk mail box

[Dave Carlson]

I’ve found that the labeling is dependent on your provider. For example with 
gmail the labels on the Mac are “Archives” and “Archives” whereas on the iPHone 
they are “All Mail” and “Archives”. Go figure.

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> Hello,
> Thanks for the tip of pressing the edit button above the list of all mail 
> boxes. I tried this but alas All Junk was not in the list of possible mail 
> boxes while All Sent, All Drafts, All Rubbish and All Archive were in this 
> list. Strangely on Bigsur on my iMac All Junk is in the list of possible mail 
> boxes. Mail set up on IOS and Bigsur are identical.
> I recall that in the past I had to do something  to create say All Archive 
> and if I could remember what I did I could do the same to create All Junk.
> Any ideas?
> Many thanks …. Paul Hopewell 
> 
> I am running IOS 14.2 on my iPhoneSE 2020. I have 3 Email accounts. Some time 
> ago on an older IOS release I set up All Inbox, All Draft, All Archive and 
> All Bin mail boxes which are all very useful. Alas I cannot remember how I 
> did that and google offers no help. I now want to set up an All Junk mail box.
> Does anyone know how to do this?
> Many thanks … Paul Hopewell
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Busy Busy, Big Sir

[Traci Duncan]

Hi all,

Are you guys getting more busy nags from Voiceover since updating the OS? I’m 
getting them in mail and news.

This is a brand new MacBook Air, so there shouldn’t be any hardware issues. 🤷‍♀️

What are your thoughts?
Thanks,
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Question for Focus Blue users

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

So I'm still on the quest for a braille display. Is it really true that on the 
Focus Blue 5th gen, that if you open a BRF file, you cannot edit it?
TIA,
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Re: Busy Busy, Big Sir

[Herbie Allen]

Yes, I have a 2019 Macbook Pro. I notice this in mail when doing select all. 
Did not have the issue before updating. 

Herbie

> On Nov 18, 2020, at 11:06, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> Are you guys getting more busy nags from Voiceover since updating the OS? I’m 
> getting them in mail and news.
> 
> This is a brand new MacBook Air, so there shouldn’t be any hardware issues. 
> 🤷‍♀️
> 
> What are your thoughts?
> Thanks,
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Re: Question for Focus Blue users

[maurice mines]

good morning, it really depends on how big the file is. From what I 
remember the documentation saying, I do have a focus fifth generation 
blue display. You can edit, do whatever you want to with the file so 
long is this "30 2K or less" if the file exceeds 30 2K it becomes 
read-only. I think the reason why this is is they think that if it's 
beyond that size it must be something literary. The other thing that you 
may want to check is what version of the firmware are you running? I 
think the current firmware version is 55. But I'm sure someone on list 
will chime in if I've gotten that wrong. All the joys of not enough coffee.



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On 11/18/2020 9:19 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi all,

So I'm still on the quest for a braille display. Is it really true that on the 
Focus Blue 5th gen, that if you open a BRF file, you cannot edit it?
TIA,
Donna


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Re: Question for Focus Blue users

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Maurice,

Thanks so much for responding. I don't actually have a Focus, but I'm looking 
at it, because I need a braille display ASAP, and the one I would buy, left to 
my own devices, is back-ordered till late December.

According to FS's documentation, all files with the suffix BRF are opened as 
read only. On your unit, are you able to open and edit small files with the BRF 
suffix?

Thanks again for weighing in here.
Donna


> On Nov 18, 2020, at 12:50 PM, maurice mines  
> wrote:
> 
> good morning, it really depends on how big the file is. From what I remember 
> the documentation saying, I do have a focus fifth generation blue display. 
> You can edit, do whatever you want to with the file so long is this "30 2K or 
> less" if the file exceeds 30 2K it becomes read-only. I think the reason why 
> this is is they think that if it's beyond that size it must be something 
> literary. The other thing that you may want to check is what version of the 
> firmware are you running? I think the current firmware version is 55. But I'm 
> sure someone on list will chime in if I've gotten that wrong. All the joys of 
> not enough coffee.
> 
> 
> 
> Please note the above text has been dictated to the computer by means of 
> dictation software. That means that some things might not have turned out as 
> originally intended. If there's something that I've written about that you 
> don't understand, please ask me what my original intent was? I look forward 
> to clearing up any misunderstandings that may arise as a result of the above 
> text. Thank you very much for reading this?
> 
> 
> 
> Please further note that any positions and or comments I've made above are 
> truly mine, they do not reflect the views and oppositions of the national 
> Federation of the blind, or the national Federation of the blind deaf blind 
> division.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/18/2020 9:19 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> So I'm still on the quest for a braille display. Is it really true that on 
>> the Focus Blue 5th gen, that if you open a BRF file, you cannot edit it?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
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downloading Catalina

[Lorie McCloud]

message in app store says I'm downloading the latest version of Catalina. it's 
apparently going to take about 5 hours. does that sound right? I don't see 
anything in my downloads like there usually is when something's coming in. 
where will this land?

thanks.
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Re: downloading Catalina

[Brad Snyder]

You will find it in your Applications folder.

- Brad -

On Nov 18, 2020, at 17:09, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

message in app store says I'm downloading the latest version of Catalina. it's 
apparently going to take about 5 hours. does that sound right? I don't see 
anything in my downloads like there usually is when something's coming in. 
where will this land?

thanks.
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downloading Catalina

[Lorie McCloud]

I just got a message from System prefs that the network connection was lost 
while downloading. it didn't give me an option to reconnect like Safari does if 
that happens. how do I continue downloading?

thanks.
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Re: downloading Catalina

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Start over.

- Brad -

On Nov 18, 2020, at 18:37, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I just got a message from System prefs that the network connection was lost 
while downloading. it didn't give me an option to reconnect like Safari does if 
that happens. how do I continue downloading?

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: downloading Catalina

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oh Man! bummer!

> On Nov 18, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> Start over.
> 
> - Brad -
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> On Nov 18, 2020, at 18:37, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> if that happens. how do I continue downloading?
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Re: downloading Catalina

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It is a big file.  You might try downloading in the middle of the night when 
there is less internet traffic.

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On Nov 18, 2020, at 18:45, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

oh Man! bummer!

> On Nov 18, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> Start over.
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> - Brad -
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Re: downloading Catalina

[Lorie McCloud]

yeah. that's a good idea. I didn't know how big the file was and I started at 
one of the highest traffic times.

> On Nov 18, 2020, at 7:05 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> It is a big file.  You might try downloading in the middle of the night when 
> there is less internet traffic.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Nov 18, 2020, at 18:45, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
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> oh Man! bummer!
> 
>> On Nov 18, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> Start over.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Nov 18, 2020, at 18:37, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> I just got a message from System prefs that the network connection was lost 
>> while downloading. it didn't give me an option to reconnect like Safari does 
>> if that happens. how do I continue downloading?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Help with Apple TV

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

Is anyone else finding that their Apple TV is not behaving as expected? I can 
hardly navigate anymore. I've tried changing from VO follows Focus to Direct 
Touch, and it doesn't seem to matter (I don't know what the difference is 
supposed to be between these two options, my Apple TV seems to behave the same 
either way.) In Netflix, I can no longer access the change profile option, or 
the watch list from my profile. I've also noticed that where before I used to 
be able to activate an item with a single press, now I have to press twice. Is 
there something that Apple changed? My Apple TV is practically useless. Is 
there any way to reset it? (yes, I've tried unplugging and disconnecting it.)

I very much appreciate any help.
Best,
Donna

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