Re: How do I do a screen recording on my mac?

[Steve Z.]

Hi Andrew,
Send me a personal email to tell you regarding your issue.
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> 29 Νοε 2020, 4:14 μμ, ο χρήστης «'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
> » έγραψε:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Apple’s accessibility team are asking me to do a screen recording of the 
> problem with the Greek voice spelling words rather than reading them. How 
> would I do a screen recording for them including audio whilst at the same 
> time changing from application to application in order to illustrate how the 
> Greek voice bug behaves.  Please help as this bug has persisted for over 4 
> years and only now accessibility are actually paying attention to my reports.
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Andrew
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Re: Struggling with some Big Sur navigation

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Tracy. For your apps that can push notifications, are the notifications 
showing up as banners or are they showing up as alerts? All of my apps are set 
to banners and I don't lose focus at all. You can check this by going to System 
Preferences/Notification Center.

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> On Nov 30, 2020, at 2:53 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Traci, Big sur in some ways makes things more difficult and harder to 
> perform.  I have noticed it too: more interactions, not being able to jump to 
> relevant places on the screen quickly enough.  I don’t understand the concept 
> of collections.  Notifications are tricky to work out.  I have learnt that 
> you need to use vo+command+spacebar to activate choices in notifications if 
> you want to dismiss them.
> 
> I’m sorry I can’t be of more help.  Please report to Apple.
> 
> Andrew
>> On 30 Nov 2020, at 16:47, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, I am having a hard time with a few differences in Big Sur.
>> 
>> Collections. Is there an easier Voiceover way to navigate these? I’m finding 
>> them everywhere: news, App Store, messages. Is VO-j the best way? It seems 
>> like I need to interact several times to get into the content. Any advice on 
>> this?
>> 
>> Notifications. Notifications seem to take Voiceover’s focus. I was on 
>> Safari, and Messages, when notifications came through. I could not get 
>> Voiceover’s focus to automatically return to the apps I was originally in. I 
>> had to VO-shift-d to focus on desktop, then return to my other apps. Is 
>> there something I’m missing here?
>> 
>> Lastly, VO-f search. Are you guys experiencing odd behavior when you perform 
>> a Voiceover search? I can be in a webpage and search for a word. The first 
>> result works fine, but then Voiceover’s focus changes with subsequent 
>> results. Like it gets stuck in the sentences where the searched word is. I 
>> used to be able to navigate a webpage via searching for a particular word. 
>> How is this working for you guys?
>> 
>> Thanks, I’m just not finding Big Sur seamless so far.
>> 
>> Traci
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Re: How do I get to a notification?

[FIOGKOS]

Worked like a charm, thanks again for saving my tutti-frutti behind, LOL.

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> On Nov 30, 2020, at 10:26 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> Try pressing VO + F1 twice, then down arrow to System dialog, then press the 
> Enter key.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Nov 30, 2020, at 19:22, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody, I have a feeling this is a simple question for all of you that 
> are so used to using the Mac but for me who I am a beginner with daily brain 
> fog I do not know how to do this. I have very little vision and I can see 
> some contrast. I have a 27 inch late 2013 iMac and in the middle of the 
> screen I can see that there is a notification there. I must have missed it 
> when it came up and now for the life of me I can’t seem to get to it so I can 
> see what it is and what it says and of course dismiss it. Any ideas how to 
> get to this notification?
> 
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Re: Desperate for help with zoom

[FIOGKOS]

Thank you very much, I found it, I tried out the earbuds and they work just 
fine. Of course I did not try them with zoom but as soon as I have the meeting 
I will do so. I’m sure everything will work out just fantastically


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> On Nov 30, 2020, at 10:24 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> On my wife’s 2015 iMac, the 3.5 mm headphone jack is on the back of the 
> screen, located near the SD card slot.  Far right hand corner of the back 
> when facing the screen.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Nov 30, 2020, at 18:46, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> Hi there, I have a late 2013 iMac and an 8+ iPhone. It has the little 
> lightning adaptor that I can detach from the earbuds. The earbuds work on my 
> windows laptop so I’m sure they will work on my iMac when I find where the 
> jack is.
> 
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>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 7:41 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> The headphones that come with a inPhone depend on which iPhone you have. 
>> Newer inPhIphones come with a headphones that have a lightning connector and 
>> no computer has a lightning socket. 
>> Most imacs have a 3.5 jack that will work with older iPhone deadphones. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 6:17 PM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Brad, I don’t have headphones the only thing I have is the ear buds 
>>> that come with the iPhone. Will those work on my iMac? Or Windows laptop? 
>>> And when I wear them for example even on the iPhone will the other 
>>> participants not be able to hear the screen reader?
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 30, 2020, at 4:09 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
 
 You should always use headphones Or a headset when using zoom. That will 
 take care of all your screen reader issues.
 
 - Brad -
 
 On Nov 30, 2020, at 13:09, FIOGKOS  wrote:
 
 Hi everybody, I really really need help. I got zoom installed on my Mac, 
 my iPhone, and my windows laptop. There are conflicting reports whether 
 voiceover or jaws on the window side can be heard while you are attending 
 eight zoom meeting. Some people have told me headphones wipes out 
 voiceover and some disagree. One I’m not very familiar with the keyboard 
 commands for any of the devices, if I were to turn voiceover off and use 
 keyboard shortcut keys for an muting myself, muting myself, allowing my 
 video or not allowing my video, raising my hand, and sending messages 
 would that work? Of course another way that logic says will work is to 
 mute my microphone press the key command that I want for example raise 
 hand, or type a message, and then unmute myself. If any of this makes 
 sense can anybody send me a zoom shortcut commands that I can use. The 
 meeting I have to attend is tomorrow is there a test meeting that you can 
 do by yourself to see how things work
 Thank you for any help in advance.
 
 
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Re: Desperate for help with zoom

[FIOGKOS]

1000 times thank you. These small bits and pieces of help are so important to 
all of us. I thank the good Lord that there are people out there like yourself 
Brad and others who have answered my messages that are so helpful. These little 
bits of pieces of help make our daily tasks easier to accomplish.
Thank you to all of you for everything you do.
Regards Zoe


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> On Nov 30, 2020, at 10:38 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> To raise your hand on a Mac is Option + Y..  On Windows, it is ALT + Y..
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Nov 30, 2020, at 20:57, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> Thank you very much Herbie, this helps very much. I did test out zoom on the 
> iPhone with a friend and I could not hear his voice over or he could not hear 
> mine. So it looks like problem solved at least on the iPhone I will try it 
> also on the Mac and windows when I have a chance. I have a feeling that all 
> is OK. Do you know the key command for raising your hand on both the Mac and 
> windows? Thank you for all your help.
> Regards Zoe
> 
> 
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> 
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> he's late
> 
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 2:42 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> The respective screen readers are good about giving commands when you tab 
>> to an action. For instance, Command shift A for muting and unmuting on Mac, 
>> Alt A for Windows. As for Screen Readers, headphones is the best way to go 
>> if on a computer, but the phone is fine provided you don’t have the original 
>> sound turned on. If you are wanting to share your jaws or Vo on the computer 
>> this can be done via the screen sharing and checking the audio option.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 13:08, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everybody, I really really need help. I got zoom installed on my Mac, my 
>>> iPhone, and my windows laptop. There are conflicting reports whether 
>>> voiceover or jaws on the window side can be heard while you are attending 
>>> eight zoom meeting. Some people have told me headphones wipes out voiceover 
>>> and some disagree. One I’m not very familiar with the keyboard commands for 
>>> any of the devices, if I were to turn voiceover off and use keyboard 
>>> shortcut keys for an muting myself, muting myself, allowing my video or not 
>>> allowing my video, raising my hand, and sending messages would that work? 
>>> Of course another way that logic says will work is to mute my microphone 
>>> press the key command that I want for example raise hand, or type a 
>>> message, and then unmute myself. If any of this makes sense can anybody 
>>> send me a zoom shortcut commands that I can use. The meeting I have to 
>>> attend is tomorrow is there a test meeting that you can do by yourself to 
>>> see how things work
>>> Thank you for any help in advance.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> God the father chose her
>>> God the sun dwelt in her
>>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>>> Twitter
>>> @FiogkosZoe
>>> 
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>>> when he's late
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Re: Desperate for help with zoom

[Brad Snyder]

To raise your hand on a Mac is Option + Y..  On Windows, it is ALT + Y..

- Brad -


On Nov 30, 2020, at 20:57, FIOGKOS  wrote:

Thank you very much Herbie, this helps very much. I did test out zoom on the 
iPhone with a friend and I could not hear his voice over or he could not hear 
mine. So it looks like problem solved at least on the iPhone I will try it also 
on the Mac and windows when I have a chance. I have a feeling that all is OK. 
Do you know the key command for raising your hand on both the Mac and windows? 
Thank you for all your help.
Regards Zoe


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> On Nov 30, 2020, at 2:42 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> The respective screen readers are good about giving commands when you tab to 
> an action. For instance, Command shift A for muting and unmuting on Mac, Alt 
> A for Windows. As for Screen Readers, headphones is the best way to go if on 
> a computer, but the phone is fine provided you don’t have the original sound 
> turned on. If you are wanting to share your jaws or Vo on the computer this 
> can be done via the screen sharing and checking the audio option.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 13:08, FIOGKOS > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everybody, I really really need help. I got zoom installed on my Mac, my 
>> iPhone, and my windows laptop. There are conflicting reports whether 
>> voiceover or jaws on the window side can be heard while you are attending 
>> eight zoom meeting. Some people have told me headphones wipes out voiceover 
>> and some disagree. One I’m not very familiar with the keyboard commands for 
>> any of the devices, if I were to turn voiceover off and use keyboard 
>> shortcut keys for an muting myself, muting myself, allowing my video or not 
>> allowing my video, raising my hand, and sending messages would that work? Of 
>> course another way that logic says will work is to mute my microphone press 
>> the key command that I want for example raise hand, or type a message, and 
>> then unmute myself. If any of this makes sense can anybody send me a zoom 
>> shortcut commands that I can use. The meeting I have to attend is tomorrow 
>> is there a test meeting that you can do by yourself to see how things work
>> Thank you for any help in advance.
>> 
>> 
>> God the father chose her
>> God the sun dwelt in her
>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>> Twitter
>> @FiogkosZoe
>> 
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>> he's late
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Re: How do I get to a notification?

[Brad Snyder]

Try pressing VO + F1 twice, then down arrow to System dialog, then press the 
Enter key.

- Brad -


On Nov 30, 2020, at 19:22, FIOGKOS  wrote:

Hi everybody, I have a feeling this is a simple question for all of you that 
are so used to using the Mac but for me who I am a beginner with daily brain 
fog I do not know how to do this. I have very little vision and I can see some 
contrast. I have a 27 inch late 2013 iMac and in the middle of the screen I can 
see that there is a notification there. I must have missed it when it came up 
and now for the life of me I can’t seem to get to it so I can see what it is 
and what it says and of course dismiss it. Any ideas how to get to this 
notification?


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Re: Desperate for help with zoom

[Brad Snyder]

On my wife’s 2015 iMac, the 3.5 mm headphone jack is on the back of the screen, 
located near the SD card slot.  Far right hand corner of the back when facing 
the screen.

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On Nov 30, 2020, at 18:46, FIOGKOS  wrote:

Hi there, I have a late 2013 iMac and an 8+ iPhone. It has the little lightning 
adaptor that I can detach from the earbuds. The earbuds work on my windows 
laptop so I’m sure they will work on my iMac when I find where the jack is.


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> On Nov 30, 2020, at 7:41 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> The headphones that come with a inPhone depend on which iPhone you have. 
> Newer inPhIphones come with a headphones that have a lightning connector and 
> no computer has a lightning socket. 
> Most imacs have a 3.5 jack that will work with older iPhone deadphones. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 6:17 PM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Brad, I don’t have headphones the only thing I have is the ear buds that 
>> come with the iPhone. Will those work on my iMac? Or Windows laptop? And 
>> when I wear them for example even on the iPhone will the other participants 
>> not be able to hear the screen reader?
>> 
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>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
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>> 
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>> he's late
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 4:09 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You should always use headphones Or a headset when using zoom. That will 
>>> take care of all your screen reader issues.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 13:09, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everybody, I really really need help. I got zoom installed on my Mac, 
>>> my iPhone, and my windows laptop. There are conflicting reports whether 
>>> voiceover or jaws on the window side can be heard while you are attending 
>>> eight zoom meeting. Some people have told me headphones wipes out voiceover 
>>> and some disagree. One I’m not very familiar with the keyboard commands for 
>>> any of the devices, if I were to turn voiceover off and use keyboard 
>>> shortcut keys for an muting myself, muting myself, allowing my video or not 
>>> allowing my video, raising my hand, and sending messages would that work? 
>>> Of course another way that logic says will work is to mute my microphone 
>>> press the key command that I want for example raise hand, or type a 
>>> message, and then unmute myself. If any of this makes sense can anybody 
>>> send me a zoom shortcut commands that I can use. The meeting I have to 
>>> attend is tomorrow is there a test meeting that you can do by yourself to 
>>> see how things work
>>> Thank you for any help in advance.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Desperate for help with zoom

[FIOGKOS]

Thank you very much Herbie, this helps very much. I did test out zoom on the 
iPhone with a friend and I could not hear his voice over or he could not hear 
mine. So it looks like problem solved at least on the iPhone I will try it also 
on the Mac and windows when I have a chance. I have a feeling that all is OK. 
Do you know the key command for raising your hand on both the Mac and windows? 
Thank you for all your help.
Regards Zoe


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> On Nov 30, 2020, at 2:42 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> The respective screen readers are good about giving commands when you tab to 
> an action. For instance, Command shift A for muting and unmuting on Mac, Alt 
> A for Windows. As for Screen Readers, headphones is the best way to go if on 
> a computer, but the phone is fine provided you don’t have the original sound 
> turned on. If you are wanting to share your jaws or Vo on the computer this 
> can be done via the screen sharing and checking the audio option.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 13:08, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everybody, I really really need help. I got zoom installed on my Mac, my 
>> iPhone, and my windows laptop. There are conflicting reports whether 
>> voiceover or jaws on the window side can be heard while you are attending 
>> eight zoom meeting. Some people have told me headphones wipes out voiceover 
>> and some disagree. One I’m not very familiar with the keyboard commands for 
>> any of the devices, if I were to turn voiceover off and use keyboard 
>> shortcut keys for an muting myself, muting myself, allowing my video or not 
>> allowing my video, raising my hand, and sending messages would that work? Of 
>> course another way that logic says will work is to mute my microphone press 
>> the key command that I want for example raise hand, or type a message, and 
>> then unmute myself. If any of this makes sense can anybody send me a zoom 
>> shortcut commands that I can use. The meeting I have to attend is tomorrow 
>> is there a test meeting that you can do by yourself to see how things work
>> Thank you for any help in advance.
>> 
>> 
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>> God the sun dwelt in her
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>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
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Re: Desperate for help with zoom

[Brad Snyder]

Yes, I know people who use those with MacBooks, so I am pretty sure they will 
work with an iMac as well.

- Brad -


On Nov 30, 2020, at 17:17, FIOGKOS  wrote:

Hi Brad, I don’t have headphones the only thing I have is the ear buds that 
come with the iPhone. Will those work on my iMac? Or Windows laptop? And when I 
wear them for example even on the iPhone will the other participants not be 
able to hear the screen reader?

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> On Nov 30, 2020, at 4:09 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> You should always use headphones Or a headset when using zoom. That will 
> take care of all your screen reader issues.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Nov 30, 2020, at 13:09, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody, I really really need help. I got zoom installed on my Mac, my 
> iPhone, and my windows laptop. There are conflicting reports whether 
> voiceover or jaws on the window side can be heard while you are attending 
> eight zoom meeting. Some people have told me headphones wipes out voiceover 
> and some disagree. One I’m not very familiar with the keyboard commands for 
> any of the devices, if I were to turn voiceover off and use keyboard shortcut 
> keys for an muting myself, muting myself, allowing my video or not allowing 
> my video, raising my hand, and sending messages would that work? Of course 
> another way that logic says will work is to mute my microphone press the key 
> command that I want for example raise hand, or type a message, and then 
> unmute myself. If any of this makes sense can anybody send me a zoom shortcut 
> commands that I can use. The meeting I have to attend is tomorrow is there a 
> test meeting that you can do by yourself to see how things work
> Thank you for any help in advance.
> 
> 
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Re: Desperate for help with zoom

[Herbie Allen]

Earbuds are just fine.

> On Nov 30, 2020, at 18:46, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> Hi there, I have a late 2013 iMac and an 8+ iPhone. It has the little 
> lightning adaptor that I can detach from the earbuds. The earbuds work on my 
> windows laptop so I’m sure they will work on my iMac when I find where the 
> jack is.
> 
> 
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> 
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> he's late
> 
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 7:41 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> The headphones that come with a inPhone depend on which iPhone you have. 
>> Newer inPhIphones come with a headphones that have a lightning connector and 
>> no computer has a lightning socket. 
>> Most imacs have a 3.5 jack that will work with older iPhone deadphones. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 6:17 PM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Brad, I don’t have headphones the only thing I have is the ear buds 
>>> that come with the iPhone. Will those work on my iMac? Or Windows laptop? 
>>> And when I wear them for example even on the iPhone will the other 
>>> participants not be able to hear the screen reader?
>>> 
>>> God the father chose her
>>> God the sun dwelt in her
>>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>>> Twitter
>>> @FiogkosZoe
>>> 
>>> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel 
>>> when he's late
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 30, 2020, at 4:09 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
 
 You should always use headphones Or a headset when using zoom. That will 
 take care of all your screen reader issues.
 
 - Brad -
 
 On Nov 30, 2020, at 13:09, FIOGKOS  wrote:
 
 Hi everybody, I really really need help. I got zoom installed on my Mac, 
 my iPhone, and my windows laptop. There are conflicting reports whether 
 voiceover or jaws on the window side can be heard while you are attending 
 eight zoom meeting. Some people have told me headphones wipes out 
 voiceover and some disagree. One I’m not very familiar with the keyboard 
 commands for any of the devices, if I were to turn voiceover off and use 
 keyboard shortcut keys for an muting myself, muting myself, allowing my 
 video or not allowing my video, raising my hand, and sending messages 
 would that work? Of course another way that logic says will work is to 
 mute my microphone press the key command that I want for example raise 
 hand, or type a message, and then unmute myself. If any of this makes 
 sense can anybody send me a zoom shortcut commands that I can use. The 
 meeting I have to attend is tomorrow is there a test meeting that you can 
 do by yourself to see how things work
 Thank you for any help in advance.
 
 
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How do I get to a notification?

[FIOGKOS]

Hi everybody, I have a feeling this is a simple question for all of you that 
are so used to using the Mac but for me who I am a beginner with daily brain 
fog I do not know how to do this. I have very little vision and I can see some 
contrast. I have a 27 inch late 2013 iMac and in the middle of the screen I can 
see that there is a notification there. I must have missed it when it came up 
and now for the life of me I can’t seem to get to it so I can see what it is 
and what it says and of course dismiss it. Any ideas how to get to this 
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Re: Desperate for help with zoom

[FIOGKOS]

Hi there, I have a late 2013 iMac and an 8+ iPhone. It has the little lightning 
adaptor that I can detach from the earbuds. The earbuds work on my windows 
laptop so I’m sure they will work on my iMac when I find where the jack is.


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> On Nov 30, 2020, at 7:41 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> The headphones that come with a inPhone depend on which iPhone you have. 
> Newer inPhIphones come with a headphones that have a lightning connector and 
> no computer has a lightning socket. 
> Most imacs have a 3.5 jack that will work with older iPhone deadphones. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 6:17 PM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>> 
>> Hi Brad, I don’t have headphones the only thing I have is the ear buds that 
>> come with the iPhone. Will those work on my iMac? Or Windows laptop? And 
>> when I wear them for example even on the iPhone will the other participants 
>> not be able to hear the screen reader?
>> 
>> God the father chose her
>> God the sun dwelt in her
>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>> Twitter
>> @FiogkosZoe
>> 
>> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
>> he's late
>> 
>> 
 On Nov 30, 2020, at 4:09 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
 
>>> You should always use headphones Or a headset when using zoom. That will 
>>> take care of all your screen reader issues.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 13:09, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everybody, I really really need help. I got zoom installed on my Mac, 
>>> my iPhone, and my windows laptop. There are conflicting reports whether 
>>> voiceover or jaws on the window side can be heard while you are attending 
>>> eight zoom meeting. Some people have told me headphones wipes out voiceover 
>>> and some disagree. One I’m not very familiar with the keyboard commands for 
>>> any of the devices, if I were to turn voiceover off and use keyboard 
>>> shortcut keys for an muting myself, muting myself, allowing my video or not 
>>> allowing my video, raising my hand, and sending messages would that work? 
>>> Of course another way that logic says will work is to mute my microphone 
>>> press the key command that I want for example raise hand, or type a 
>>> message, and then unmute myself. If any of this makes sense can anybody 
>>> send me a zoom shortcut commands that I can use. The meeting I have to 
>>> attend is tomorrow is there a test meeting that you can do by yourself to 
>>> see how things work
>>> Thank you for any help in advance.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> God the father chose her
>>> God the sun dwelt in her
>>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>>> Twitter
>>> @FiogkosZoe
>>> 
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Re: Desperate for help with zoom

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

The headphones that come with a inPhone depend on which iPhone you have. Newer 
inPhIphones come with a headphones that have a lightning connector and no 
computer has a lightning socket. 
Most imacs have a 3.5 jack that will work with older iPhone deadphones. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 30, 2020, at 6:17 PM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brad, I don’t have headphones the only thing I have is the ear buds that 
> come with the iPhone. Will those work on my iMac? Or Windows laptop? And when 
> I wear them for example even on the iPhone will the other participants not be 
> able to hear the screen reader?
> 
> God the father chose her
> God the sun dwelt in her
> God the spirit overshadowed her
> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
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>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 4:09 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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>> You should always use headphones Or a headset when using zoom. That will 
>> take care of all your screen reader issues.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 13:09, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everybody, I really really need help. I got zoom installed on my Mac, my 
>> iPhone, and my windows laptop. There are conflicting reports whether 
>> voiceover or jaws on the window side can be heard while you are attending 
>> eight zoom meeting. Some people have told me headphones wipes out voiceover 
>> and some disagree. One I’m not very familiar with the keyboard commands for 
>> any of the devices, if I were to turn voiceover off and use keyboard 
>> shortcut keys for an muting myself, muting myself, allowing my video or not 
>> allowing my video, raising my hand, and sending messages would that work? Of 
>> course another way that logic says will work is to mute my microphone press 
>> the key command that I want for example raise hand, or type a message, and 
>> then unmute myself. If any of this makes sense can anybody send me a zoom 
>> shortcut commands that I can use. The meeting I have to attend is tomorrow 
>> is there a test meeting that you can do by yourself to see how things work
>> Thank you for any help in advance.
>> 
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Re: Desperate for help with zoom

[FIOGKOS]

No braille display here, that wouldn’t work for me then. Most people seem to 
agree that wearing headphones will prevent the other participants from hearing 
voiceover. So I think that if I use my earbuds I will be OK just need to figure 
out navigation now and if anybody can recommend some essential key commands 
that would be great.


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> On Nov 30, 2020, at 6:48 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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> I typically turn off speech and use the braille display exclusively while in 
> the meeting.
> 
> On 11/30/20 2:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> I just wear headphones. That way I can leave Voiceover on without disturbing 
>> the meeting.
>> Donna
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>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 1:08 PM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everybody, I really really need help. I got zoom installed on my Mac, my 
>>> iPhone, and my windows laptop. There are conflicting reports whether 
>>> voiceover or jaws on the window side can be heard while you are attending 
>>> eight zoom meeting. Some people have told me headphones wipes out voiceover 
>>> and some disagree. One I’m not very familiar with the keyboard commands for 
>>> any of the devices, if I were to turn voiceover off and use keyboard 
>>> shortcut keys for an muting myself, muting myself, allowing my video or not 
>>> allowing my video, raising my hand, and sending messages would that work? 
>>> Of course another way that logic says will work is to mute my microphone 
>>> press the key command that I want for example raise hand, or type a 
>>> message, and then unmute myself. If any of this makes sense can anybody 
>>> send me a zoom shortcut commands that I can use. The meeting I have to 
>>> attend is tomorrow is there a test meeting that you can do by yourself to 
>>> see how things work
>>> Thank you for any help in advance.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Desperate for help with zoom

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

I typically turn off speech and use the braille display exclusively 
while in the meeting.


On 11/30/20 2:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
I just wear headphones. That way I can leave Voiceover on without 
disturbing the meeting.

Donna


On Nov 30, 2020, at 1:08 PM, FIOGKOS > wrote:


Hi everybody, I really really need help. I got zoom installed on my 
Mac, my iPhone, and my windows laptop. There are conflicting reports 
whether voiceover or jaws on the window side can be heard while you 
are attending eight zoom meeting. Some people have told me headphones 
wipes out voiceover and some disagree. One I’m not very familiar with 
the keyboard commands for any of the devices, if I were to turn 
voiceover off and use keyboard shortcut keys for an muting myself, 
muting myself, allowing my video or not allowing my video, raising my 
hand, and sending messages would that work? Of course another way 
that logic says will work is to mute my microphone press the key 
command that I want for example raise hand, or type a message, and 
then unmute myself. If any of this makes sense can anybody send me a 
zoom shortcut commands that I can use. The meeting I have to attend 
is tomorrow is there a test meeting that you can do by yourself to 
see how things work

Thank you for any help in advance.


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Re: Desperate for help with zoom

[FIOGKOS]

Hi Brad, I don’t have headphones the only thing I have is the ear buds that 
come with the iPhone. Will those work on my iMac? Or Windows laptop? And when I 
wear them for example even on the iPhone will the other participants not be 
able to hear the screen reader?

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> On Nov 30, 2020, at 4:09 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> You should always use headphones Or a headset when using zoom. That will 
> take care of all your screen reader issues.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Nov 30, 2020, at 13:09, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody, I really really need help. I got zoom installed on my Mac, my 
> iPhone, and my windows laptop. There are conflicting reports whether 
> voiceover or jaws on the window side can be heard while you are attending 
> eight zoom meeting. Some people have told me headphones wipes out voiceover 
> and some disagree. One I’m not very familiar with the keyboard commands for 
> any of the devices, if I were to turn voiceover off and use keyboard shortcut 
> keys for an muting myself, muting myself, allowing my video or not allowing 
> my video, raising my hand, and sending messages would that work? Of course 
> another way that logic says will work is to mute my microphone press the key 
> command that I want for example raise hand, or type a message, and then 
> unmute myself. If any of this makes sense can anybody send me a zoom shortcut 
> commands that I can use. The meeting I have to attend is tomorrow is there a 
> test meeting that you can do by yourself to see how things work
> Thank you for any help in advance.
> 
> 
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Re: Desperate for help with zoom

[Brad Snyder]

You should always use headphones Or a headset when using zoom. That will take 
care of all your screen reader issues.

- Brad -

On Nov 30, 2020, at 13:09, FIOGKOS  wrote:

Hi everybody, I really really need help. I got zoom installed on my Mac, my 
iPhone, and my windows laptop. There are conflicting reports whether voiceover 
or jaws on the window side can be heard while you are attending eight zoom 
meeting. Some people have told me headphones wipes out voiceover and some 
disagree. One I’m not very familiar with the keyboard commands for any of the 
devices, if I were to turn voiceover off and use keyboard shortcut keys for an 
muting myself, muting myself, allowing my video or not allowing my video, 
raising my hand, and sending messages would that work? Of course another way 
that logic says will work is to mute my microphone press the key command that I 
want for example raise hand, or type a message, and then unmute myself. If any 
of this makes sense can anybody send me a zoom shortcut commands that I can 
use. The meeting I have to attend is tomorrow is there a test meeting that you 
can do by yourself to see how things work
Thank you for any help in advance.


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Re: Sharing on Facebook with Big Sur?

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I just look for the share link. I’m using the basic site.

> On Nov 30, 2020, at 14:53, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> Hi, how do I get Facebook in the sharing extension? I’ve been googling with 
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> A side note, so far navigating FB in Safari is pretty nice. Different heading 
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Re: Struggling with some Big Sur navigation

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Traci, Big sur in some ways makes things more difficult and harder to perform.  
I have noticed it too: more interactions, not being able to jump to relevant 
places on the screen quickly enough.  I don’t understand the concept of 
collections.  Notifications are tricky to work out.  I have learnt that you 
need to use vo+command+spacebar to activate choices in notifications if you 
want to dismiss them.

I’m sorry I can’t be of more help.  Please report to Apple.

Andrew
> On 30 Nov 2020, at 16:47, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> Hi all, I am having a hard time with a few differences in Big Sur.
> 
> Collections. Is there an easier Voiceover way to navigate these? I’m finding 
> them everywhere: news, App Store, messages. Is VO-j the best way? It seems 
> like I need to interact several times to get into the content. Any advice on 
> this?
> 
> Notifications. Notifications seem to take Voiceover’s focus. I was on Safari, 
> and Messages, when notifications came through. I could not get Voiceover’s 
> focus to automatically return to the apps I was originally in. I had to 
> VO-shift-d to focus on desktop, then return to my other apps. Is there 
> something I’m missing here?
> 
> Lastly, VO-f search. Are you guys experiencing odd behavior when you perform 
> a Voiceover search? I can be in a webpage and search for a word. The first 
> result works fine, but then Voiceover’s focus changes with subsequent 
> results. Like it gets stuck in the sentences where the searched word is. I 
> used to be able to navigate a webpage via searching for a particular word. 
> How is this working for you guys?
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> Thanks, I’m just not finding Big Sur seamless so far.
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Sharing on Facebook with Big Sur?

[Traci Duncan]

Hi, how do I get Facebook in the sharing extension? I’ve been googling with no 
answers.

A side note, so far navigating FB in Safari is pretty nice. Different heading 
levels are helpful. I’m going to look and see if there are keyboard shortcuts.

Thanks for the help,
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Re: Desperate for help with zoom

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I just wear headphones. That way I can leave Voiceover on without disturbing 
the meeting.
Donna


> On Nov 30, 2020, at 1:08 PM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
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> Hi everybody, I really really need help. I got zoom installed on my Mac, my 
> iPhone, and my windows laptop. There are conflicting reports whether 
> voiceover or jaws on the window side can be heard while you are attending 
> eight zoom meeting. Some people have told me headphones wipes out voiceover 
> and some disagree. One I’m not very familiar with the keyboard commands for 
> any of the devices, if I were to turn voiceover off and use keyboard shortcut 
> keys for an muting myself, muting myself, allowing my video or not allowing 
> my video, raising my hand, and sending messages would that work? Of course 
> another way that logic says will work is to mute my microphone press the key 
> command that I want for example raise hand, or type a message, and then 
> unmute myself. If any of this makes sense can anybody send me a zoom shortcut 
> commands that I can use. The meeting I have to attend is tomorrow is there a 
> test meeting that you can do by yourself to see how things work
> Thank you for any help in advance.
> 
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Re: Desperate for help with zoom

[Herbie Allen]

The respective screen readers are good about giving commands when you tab to an 
action. For instance, Command shift A for muting and unmuting on Mac, Alt A for 
Windows. As for Screen Readers, headphones is the best way to go if on a 
computer, but the phone is fine provided you don’t have the original sound 
turned on. If you are wanting to share your jaws or Vo on the computer this can 
be done via the screen sharing and checking the audio option.


> On Nov 30, 2020, at 13:08, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody, I really really need help. I got zoom installed on my Mac, my 
> iPhone, and my windows laptop. There are conflicting reports whether 
> voiceover or jaws on the window side can be heard while you are attending 
> eight zoom meeting. Some people have told me headphones wipes out voiceover 
> and some disagree. One I’m not very familiar with the keyboard commands for 
> any of the devices, if I were to turn voiceover off and use keyboard shortcut 
> keys for an muting myself, muting myself, allowing my video or not allowing 
> my video, raising my hand, and sending messages would that work? Of course 
> another way that logic says will work is to mute my microphone press the key 
> command that I want for example raise hand, or type a message, and then 
> unmute myself. If any of this makes sense can anybody send me a zoom shortcut 
> commands that I can use. The meeting I have to attend is tomorrow is there a 
> test meeting that you can do by yourself to see how things work
> Thank you for any help in advance.
> 
> 
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> God the spirit overshadowed her
> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
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Desperate for help with zoom

[FIOGKOS]

Hi everybody, I really really need help. I got zoom installed on my Mac, my 
iPhone, and my windows laptop. There are conflicting reports whether voiceover 
or jaws on the window side can be heard while you are attending eight zoom 
meeting. Some people have told me headphones wipes out voiceover and some 
disagree. One I’m not very familiar with the keyboard commands for any of the 
devices, if I were to turn voiceover off and use keyboard shortcut keys for an 
muting myself, muting myself, allowing my video or not allowing my video, 
raising my hand, and sending messages would that work? Of course another way 
that logic says will work is to mute my microphone press the key command that I 
want for example raise hand, or type a message, and then unmute myself. If any 
of this makes sense can anybody send me a zoom shortcut commands that I can 
use. The meeting I have to attend is tomorrow is there a test meeting that you 
can do by yourself to see how things work
Thank you for any help in advance.


God the father chose her
God the sun dwelt in her
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Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
Twitter
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Re: Mac Mail on Big Sur

[Jeff Berwick]

That did it for me!

Thank you so much—I was about to lose my mind.

Jeff


> On Nov 30, 2020, at 10:43 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
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>   You can also uncheck the box in the view menu that says, use column layout. 
> I think this might be checked by default in Big Sur.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 9:44 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> I am also experiencing this issue.
>> This seems to occur only on items that are not “unread” in the mailbox list.
>> I have gone to VoiceOver Utility > Verbosity > Speech, and have attempted to 
>> make adjustments in the Custom Verbosity Table, but have not been successful 
>> in modifying this behavior.
>> 
>> This may be something we just have to live with in Big Sur.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 28, 2020, at 14:59, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> So I had to upgrade to Big Sur to try to solve an issue I was having with 
>> Xcode and my iPhone (it didn’t help).
>> 
>> At any rate, I am now hearing too much informationabout the table in mail.  
>> Every time I curser down to a new message, Voiceover announces “Column 1” 
>> prior to reading the sender.
>> 
>> I can stop this behaviour by setting the verbosity to low, but I’m wondering 
>> if there is a way to set this verbosity on a per app bases?
>> 
>> I’ve googled this, but haven’t found anything.
>> 
>> Thanks for any help.
>> Jeff
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I am having issues with VMware fusion 12 and the lack of sound.

[maurice mines]

Good morning, at least it is here on the West Coast of the United 
States. My subject line unfortunately says it all. I have tried to make 
a virtual machine for my Boot Camp partition, and from an actual Windows 
installation ISO file. I can complete the creation of the virtual 
machine okay, however, after the machine is created I get absolutely no 
sound. Is this a known issue? Has anyone successfully figured out how to 
solve it? I am wanting to virtualize my windows. This I think would make 
things easier in terms of system administration.



Just for the record, I am running Mac OS Big Sur. Which is the reason 
why I have to use VMware fusion version 12. Any thoughts from anyone?



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Re: Wow, folks still use Trilian?

[Traci Duncan]

Thank you for the offer. I have learned that Facebook messenger group chat 
isn’t supported. That was what mostly interested me. :) 

Traci


> On Nov 29, 2020, at 1:59 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hey Tracy. Jessica is correct. It is available through the Mac App Store for 
> free and new versions of it aren't accessible at all. I do have a copy of it 
> if you wish to try it out. Just email me privately. It's an old version but 
> it still works on Big Sur.
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> Regards,
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> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
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>> On Nov 29, 2020, at 2:19 PM, Traci Duncan > > wrote:
>> 
>> Those of you that still use this app, could you tell me more? What can it 
>> do? Is there a cost? Is it from the Mac App Store?
>> 
>> I’ve heard about this app since my very first days of Mac OS 10. Mountain 
>> Lion was my first in 2011.
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>> Thanks,
>> Traci
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Struggling with some Big Sur navigation

[Traci Duncan]

Hi all, I am having a hard time with a few differences in Big Sur.

Collections. Is there an easier Voiceover way to navigate these? I’m finding 
them everywhere: news, App Store, messages. Is VO-j the best way? It seems like 
I need to interact several times to get into the content. Any advice on this?

Notifications. Notifications seem to take Voiceover’s focus. I was on Safari, 
and Messages, when notifications came through. I could not get Voiceover’s 
focus to automatically return to the apps I was originally in. I had to 
VO-shift-d to focus on desktop, then return to my other apps. Is there 
something I’m missing here?

Lastly, VO-f search. Are you guys experiencing odd behavior when you perform a 
Voiceover search? I can be in a webpage and search for a word. The first result 
works fine, but then Voiceover’s focus changes with subsequent results. Like it 
gets stuck in the sentences where the searched word is. I used to be able to 
navigate a webpage via searching for a particular word. How is this working for 
you guys?

Thanks, I’m just not finding Big Sur seamless so far.

Traci

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Re: Mac Mail on Big Sur

[Brad Snyder]

True, but this changes the displayed layout of the selected mailbox. This does 
not resolve the issue.

- Brad -

On Nov 30, 2020, at 09:44, John Panarese  wrote:

   You can also uncheck the box in the view menu that says, use column layout. 
I think this might be checked by default in Big Sur.


> On Nov 30, 2020, at 9:44 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> I am also experiencing this issue.
> This seems to occur only on items that are not “unread” in the mailbox list.
> I have gone to VoiceOver Utility > Verbosity > Speech, and have attempted to 
> make adjustments in the Custom Verbosity Table, but have not been successful 
> in modifying this behavior.
> 
> This may be something we just have to live with in Big Sur.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Nov 28, 2020, at 14:59, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So I had to upgrade to Big Sur to try to solve an issue I was having with 
> Xcode and my iPhone (it didn’t help).
> 
> At any rate, I am now hearing too much informationabout the table in mail.  
> Every time I curser down to a new message, Voiceover announces “Column 1” 
> prior to reading the sender.
> 
> I can stop this behaviour by setting the verbosity to low, but I’m wondering 
> if there is a way to set this verbosity on a per app bases?
> 
> I’ve googled this, but haven’t found anything.
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> Jeff
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Re: Teams.

['Nancy Badger' via MacVisionaries]

I like using it on the iPad. It seems simpler that way. I don’t really have any 
specifics to back up my claim.
Nancy

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On Nov 30, 2020, at 5:16 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Ok, thanks for all inputs.
I will check it out then.
/A

> 30 nov. 2020 kl. 09:54 skrev Julie Rattray :
> 
> I prefer teams on my iPad to anything else although it works well on the 
> phone too 
> 
>>> On 29 Nov 2020, at 22:04, Kerryann Ifill  wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve found that teams on the iPhone is far more reliable.
>> 
>> On the Mac I find that teams is a resource hog.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Kerry
>> 
>>> On 29 Nov 2020, at 1:14 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Just a short question.
>>> The church I have wants us to participate in a meeting on teams.
>>> Does Teams work best on the ac or the Iphone or Ipad?
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> /A
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Re: Mac Mail on Big Sur

[John Panarese]

   You can also uncheck the box in the view menu that says, use column layout. 
I think this might be checked by default in Big Sur.


> On Nov 30, 2020, at 9:44 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> I am also experiencing this issue.
> This seems to occur only on items that are not “unread” in the mailbox list.
> I have gone to VoiceOver Utility > Verbosity > Speech, and have attempted to 
> make adjustments in the Custom Verbosity Table, but have not been successful 
> in modifying this behavior.
> 
> This may be something we just have to live with in Big Sur.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Nov 28, 2020, at 14:59, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> So I had to upgrade to Big Sur to try to solve an issue I was having with 
> Xcode and my iPhone (it didn’t help).
> 
> At any rate, I am now hearing too much informationabout the table in mail.  
> Every time I curser down to a new message, Voiceover announces “Column 1” 
> prior to reading the sender.
> 
> I can stop this behaviour by setting the verbosity to low, but I’m wondering 
> if there is a way to set this verbosity on a per app bases?
> 
> I’ve googled this, but haven’t found anything.
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> Jeff
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Re: Mac Mail on Big Sur

[Brad Snyder]

I am also experiencing this issue.
This seems to occur only on items that are not “unread” in the mailbox list.
I have gone to VoiceOver Utility > Verbosity > Speech, and have attempted to 
make adjustments in the Custom Verbosity Table, but have not been successful in 
modifying this behavior.

This may be something we just have to live with in Big Sur.

- Brad -


On Nov 28, 2020, at 14:59, Jeff Berwick  wrote:

Hi all,

So I had to upgrade to Big Sur to try to solve an issue I was having with Xcode 
and my iPhone (it didn’t help).

At any rate, I am now hearing too much informationabout the table in mail.  
Every time I curser down to a new message, Voiceover announces “Column 1” prior 
to reading the sender.

I can stop this behaviour by setting the verbosity to low, but I’m wondering if 
there is a way to set this verbosity on a per app bases?

I’ve googled this, but haven’t found anything.

Thanks for any help.
Jeff

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Re: Teams.

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

I use teams a lot for work now and whilst not an expert let me know if I can 
help at all - happy to do a practice meeting for example if that would be of 
use 

> On 30 Nov 2020, at 10:16, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> Ok, thanks for all inputs.
> I will check it out then.
> /A
> 
>> 30 nov. 2020 kl. 09:54 skrev Julie Rattray :
>> 
>> I prefer teams on my iPad to anything else although it works well on the 
>> phone too 
>> 
>>> On 29 Nov 2020, at 22:04, Kerryann Ifill  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve found that teams on the iPhone is far more reliable.
>>> 
>>> On the Mac I find that teams is a resource hog.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Kerry
>>> 
 On 29 Nov 2020, at 1:14 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
 
 Hi!
 Just a short question.
 The church I have wants us to participate in a meeting on teams.
 Does Teams work best on the ac or the Iphone or Ipad?
 Thanks in advance.
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Re: Teams.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Ok, thanks for all inputs.
I will check it out then.
/A

> 30 nov. 2020 kl. 09:54 skrev Julie Rattray :
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> I prefer teams on my iPad to anything else although it works well on the 
> phone too 
> 
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>> 
>> On the Mac I find that teams is a resource hog.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Kerry
>> 
>>> On 29 Nov 2020, at 1:14 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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>>> Hi!
>>> Just a short question.
>>> The church I have wants us to participate in a meeting on teams.
>>> Does Teams work best on the ac or the Iphone or Ipad?
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> /A
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Re: Teams.

[Julie Rattray]

I prefer teams on my iPad to anything else although it works well on the phone 
too 

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