Keyboard Verbosity?

[Fazil]

Hi, group.

How can I control keyboard verbosity?

When I press VO keys, Voiceover says ctrl-option, how can I have Voiceover
not say that?

Thanks!

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Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

[doug . lawlor]

I havent used the wallet yet but the app switcher seems to be working fine 
here. 

Best, 

Doug



Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2021, at 7:30 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I just upgraded my iPhone XS. I read the list of bug reports on applevis.com, 
> and there was nothing on the list that I would expect to be a serious problem 
> for my use cases.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
> behalf of skipper8...@gmail.com 
> Date: Monday, September 20, 2021 at 14:33
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
> 
> Hope you enjoy it, but I would advise you not to upgrade to IOS15 yet because 
> some users have reported problems when using the wallet and the app switcher.
>  
> From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:31 PM
> To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>  
> thanks to all of you who’ve responded.  I’ve ordered iphone se 2020 - it’s 
> coming tomorrow.  Can’t wait.
>  
> Andrew
>  
> 
> On 20 Sep 2021, at 07:25, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
>  
> Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as 
> long as I can because I really don't like Face ID.
>  
> Regards,
> Shawn,
> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
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>  
> 
> On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM,   
> wrote:
>  
> The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
> The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I do 
> not think it has 5G.
> However, those features are not a priority for me.
> I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the iPhone 
> Mini 12 and 13 are out.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky
> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I must say I am very happy with mine too.
> When I got it, my original SE was still working well, although I was using 
> IOS 11 on it. lol
> 
> It's very responsive and most times I have no issue with it.
> I even enjoy listening to music on it while I work, without any external 
> speaker. The sound quality is quite good.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Take care,
> Tali
> 
> On 9/19/21, skipper8...@gmail.com  wrote:
> 
> I love the iPhone SE 2020.
> It is the same size as the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8.
> It is fast though there have been complaints about the battery.
> It is the best iPhone I've owned.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> 
> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:20 PM
> To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I’ve decided to upgrade from iphone 8 to iphone SE 2nd generation (2020).
> My reasons are to do with the touch ID sensor.  Would you be happy to 
> share your views/opinions on this iphone with me?
> 
> Andrew
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RE: Adding A Language & Typing In It?

[Fazil]

Where can I find keyboard settings, in system Preference?

Thanks!

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Jonathan C. Cohn
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:55 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Adding A Language & Typing In It?

 

Should be able to go into keyboard system settings  and twitch to input. There 
you should be able to add keyboard layouts .. 

Sentaaa from my iPhone





On Sep 20, 2021, at 3:16 PM, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi, Group.

My iPhone switches language automatically, when it goes to an Arabic website or 
a Hindi webpage. I have added Arabic and Hindi keyboard for typing in those 
languages too.

My question is whether there is a setting for MacbookPro2017 with Bigsur where 
it could switch language automatically and I can type in that language? I am 
mainly interested in adding Arabic and typing in it.

Any help/recommendations are greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

 

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Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

I just upgraded my iPhone XS. I read the list of bug reports on applevis.com, and there was nothing on the list that I would expect to be a serious problem for my use cases. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on behalf of skipper8...@gmail.com Date: Monday, September 20, 2021 at 14:33To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)Hope you enjoy it, but I would advise you not to upgrade to IOS15 yet because some users have reported problems when using the wallet and the app switcher. From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries  Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:31 PMTo: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation) thanks to all of you who’ve responded.  I’ve ordered iphone se 2020 - it’s coming tomorrow.  Can’t wait. Andrew On 20 Sep 2021, at 07:25, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries  wrote: Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as long as I can because I really don't like Face ID. Regards,Shawn,Sent from Sophia, the MacBook AirWant to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email with your contact information and the group you wish to join and I'll happily add you.Facebook Username: Shawn KrasniukTwitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbsSkype username: bbstheblindrapperFacetime: bbssh...@icloud.com On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM,   wrote: The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I do not think it has 5G.However, those features are not a priority for me.I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the iPhone Mini 12 and 13 are out.-Original Message-From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tali SarnetzkySent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PMTo: macvisionaries@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)Hi.I must say I am very happy with mine too.When I got it, my original SE was still working well, although I was using IOS 11 on it. lolIt's very responsive and most times I have no issue with it.I even enjoy listening to music on it while I work, without any external speaker. The sound quality is quite good.Hope this helps.Take care,TaliOn 9/19/21, skipper8...@gmail.com  wrote:I love the iPhone SE 2020.It is the same size as the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8.It is fast though there have been complaints about the battery.It is the best iPhone I've owned.-Original Message-From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:20 PMTo: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries Subject: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)Hello,I’ve decided to upgrade from iphone 8 to iphone SE 2nd generation (2020).My reasons are to do with the touch ID sensor.  Would you be happy to share your views/opinions on this iphone with me?Andrew--The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/2B7E090B-B7EF-488D-842D-2FADEC63CDB1%40me.com.--The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/03d901d7acd7%24ab8f2470%2402ad6d50%24%40gmail.com.--My first book on 

Re: Adding A Language & Typing In It?

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Should be able to go into keyboard system settings  and twitch to input. There 
you should be able to add keyboard layouts .. 

Sentaaa from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2021, at 3:16 PM, Fazil  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi, Group.
> My iPhone switches language automatically, when it goes to an Arabic website 
> or a Hindi webpage. I have added Arabic and Hindi keyboard for typing in 
> those languages too.
> My question is whether there is a setting for MacbookPro2017 with Bigsur 
> where it could switch language automatically and I can type in that language? 
> I am mainly interested in adding Arabic and typing in it.
> Any help/recommendations are greatly appreciated.
> Thanks!
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Re: Viewing attachments and names of attachments in the inbox

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

To get at the attachment, interact with the content area, and navigate to the 
bottom of it.  The attachments will be there.  Alternatively, use the File menu 
and save the attachments to your Desktop or a specific folder so that they’re 
easy to find later.


Later…


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> On Sep 20, 2021, at 2:52 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I have trouble with this too. I'm informed if an email has an attachment if I 
> listen to all the info before I open the message. the attachments are hard to 
> find once I've opened the message.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 20, 2021, at 3:40 AM, Michael Busboom  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I frequently receive emails with attachments, but I have not been able to 
> determine whether an email has an attachment or not. Is there a way to make 
> the Apple Mail program let one know that the message currently in focus has 
> an attachment?
> 
> A blind friend told me that if an email has an attachment, this will be 
> placed at the end of the message itself. However, I did not find this to be 
> the case for me.  
> 
> How can I get the Mail program to notify me that a message comes with an 
> attachment?  The only thing I can do at present is to type command Y for the 
> attachment preview.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Mike 
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Re: Viewing attachments and names of attachments in the inbox

[Lorie McCloud]

I have trouble with this too. I'm informed if an email has an attachment if I 
listen to all the info before I open the message. the attachments are hard to 
find once I've opened the message.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 20, 2021, at 3:40 AM, Michael Busboom  wrote:

Hi.

I frequently receive emails with attachments, but I have not been able to 
determine whether an email has an attachment or not. Is there a way to make the 
Apple Mail program let one know that the message currently in focus has an 
attachment?

A blind friend told me that if an email has an attachment, this will be placed 
at the end of the message itself. However, I did not find this to be the case 
for me.  

How can I get the Mail program to notify me that a message comes with an 
attachment?  The only thing I can do at present is to type command Y for the 
attachment preview.

Thanks in advance,

Mike 

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Adding A Language & Typing In It?

[Fazil]

Hi, Group.

My iPhone switches language automatically, when it goes to an Arabic website
or a Hindi webpage. I have added Arabic and Hindi keyboard for typing in
those languages too.

My question is whether there is a setting for MacbookPro2017 with Bigsur
where it could switch language automatically and I can type in that
language? I am mainly interested in adding Arabic and typing in it.

Any help/recommendations are greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

 

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Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Looking forward to that!
Cheers,
Donna


> On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:59 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> It’s probably a real estate issue.  The iPads are both thicker and bigger 
> than an iPhone, thus there are more components crammed into a smaller 
> footprint.  Supposedly by the iPhone 15, in 2023, there will be under glass 
> finger-print recognition.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:56 AM, > > > > wrote:
>> 
>> I agree with you, and this is why I didn’t even consider the new iPhone Mini.
>>  
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > > 
>> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:32 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>>  
>> I don’t know, but that’s still not as fast as just having Touch ID.
>>  
>> The other thing I don’t understand about this issue is that all the new 
>> iPads come with Touch ID built into the top button.  If they can do that on 
>> the iPads, why not also build it into the phones?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:29 AM, >> > >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Okay.
>>> Could you disable Face ID temporarily and just use the passcode?
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >> > 
>>> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:28 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>>>  
>>> Yes, but none that pertain to unlocking the phone.
>>> Donna
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:46 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
  wrote:
  
 Okay, can u use the back tap feature to replace some of the newer gestures?
  
 From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >>> > 
 Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 10:34 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
  
 Hi Dave,
  
 Not Shawn, but I’ll give you my take on this.
  
 First, I do like the Home button.  I’ve had Face ID since the 10 came out, 
 so I’m used to the gestures, but I still would prefer a home button.
  
 As for face ID being faster, that’s not my experience.  With face ID, I 
 can’t unlock the phone until it’s in front of my face.  With Touch ID, I 
 could unlock it while I was pulling it out of my purse, so by the time it 
 was situated in my hand, it was already unlocked.
  
 Finally, there are two situations which I encounter on a daily basis in 
 which Face ID doesn’t work at all. Face ID is an ordeal when you’re 
 wearing a mask, requiring you to pull your mask down before unlocking the 
 phone, which harkens back to your point that Face ID is faster.  It’s not 
 faster by the time you pull out your phone, pull down your mask, and then 
 unlock the phone.  And I think wearing masks is going to be with us for a 
 while, so that’s a great argument for Touch ID.  The other issue I have is 
 when I’m in bright sunlight.  In that situation, the screen washes out, 
 and Face ID doesn’t work at all.  I can’t begin to guess how many times 
 I’ve had to contort my body into some weird position just to avoid having 
 the lighting wash out my screen.
 Cheers,
 Donna.
 
 
 
 
> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Dave Carlson  > wrote:
>  
> Shawn,
> What is it about Face ID that you don’t like? Did you have it on your 
> previous iPhone? I personally like Face ID as it is so much faster than 
> using Touch ID or the passcode. Perhaps it’s the lack of a home button 
> that’s actually your reason for your iPhone preference?
>  
> Dave Carlson
> Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
>  
> On Sep 19, 2021, at 11:25 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
>  
> Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as 
> long as I can because I really don't like Face ID.
>  
> Regards,
> Shawn,
> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
> 
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RE: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

[skipper8218]

Hope you enjoy it, but I would advise you not to upgrade to IOS15 yet because 
some users have reported problems when using the wallet and the app switcher.

 

From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:31 PM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

thanks to all of you who’ve responded.  I’ve ordered iphone se 2020 - it’s 
coming tomorrow.  Can’t wait.

 

Andrew





On 20 Sep 2021, at 07:25, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as long 
as I can because I really don't like Face ID.

 

Regards,
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On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I do 
not think it has 5G.
However, those features are not a priority for me.
I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the iPhone 
Mini 12 and 13 are out.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
 On Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

Hi.

I must say I am very happy with mine too.
When I got it, my original SE was still working well, although I was using IOS 
11 on it. lol

It's very responsive and most times I have no issue with it.
I even enjoy listening to music on it while I work, without any external 
speaker. The sound quality is quite good.

Hope this helps.

Take care,
Tali

On 9/19/21, skipper8...@gmail.com   
mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:



I love the iPhone SE 2020.
It is the same size as the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8.
It is fast though there have been complaints about the battery.
It is the best iPhone I've owned.


-Original Message-
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mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >

Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:20 PM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

Hello,

I’ve decided to upgrade from iphone 8 to iphone SE 2nd generation (2020).
My reasons are to do with the touch ID sensor.  Would you be happy to 
share your views/opinions on this iphone with me?

Andrew

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Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

thanks to all of you who’ve responded.  I’ve ordered iphone se 2020 - it’s 
coming tomorrow.  Can’t wait.

Andrew

> On 20 Sep 2021, at 07:25, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as 
> long as I can because I really don't like Face ID.
> 
> Regards,
> Shawn,
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>> On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM, > > > > wrote:
>> 
>> The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
>> The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I 
>> do not think it has 5G.
>> However, those features are not a priority for me.
>> I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the iPhone 
>> Mini 12 and 13 are out.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  > > On Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky
>> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> I must say I am very happy with mine too.
>> When I got it, my original SE was still working well, although I was using 
>> IOS 11 on it. lol
>> 
>> It's very responsive and most times I have no issue with it.
>> I even enjoy listening to music on it while I work, without any external 
>> speaker. The sound quality is quite good.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> Tali
>> 
>> On 9/19/21, skipper8...@gmail.com  
>> mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> I love the iPhone SE 2020.
>>> It is the same size as the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8.
>>> It is fast though there have been complaints about the battery.
>>> It is the best iPhone I've owned.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>>> 
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:20 PM
>>> To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >> >
>>> Subject: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I’ve decided to upgrade from iphone 8 to iphone SE 2nd generation (2020).
>>> My reasons are to do with the touch ID sensor.  Would you be happy to 
>>> share your views/opinions on this iphone with me?
>>> 
>>> Andrew
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PDF Pen

[Les Kriegler]

Hi All,
I purchased PDFPen today. I tested it on a pdf file. By default, it grouped 
pages. After page 2, it reported that content was empty after I interacted with 
the content. I loaded the same file into Preview, and the text was seen and 
read. I assume I was missing something. I looked for a setting/configuration 
menu and did not locate it. I would think I could have PDFPen open pdf files 
automatically? I will be looking at the Help System later today. In the 
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as to why the text was not visible to PDFPen.
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Accessibility of Omnesphere and serum?

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Hi all.
I was just wondering if anyone knows the status of omnesphere and serum with 
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Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

[Dave Carlson]

Interesting. I did the process to use a mask, and it was not as easy as just 
doing the original Face ID setup. But I got it to work, and it does work now 
with a mask. Thanks for the tip.

Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Oregonian, Pioneer, Musician, Engineer, and Farfar

On Sep 20, 2021, at 8:46 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

Oops, forgot to add the following link to my earlier info.

https://9to5mac.com/2021/08/31/iphone-how-to-use-face-id-with-mask/ 


This link gives you some ideas on how to best deal with Face ID and mask 
wearing at this point.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:45 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> FaceID recognition is very fast in the newer iPhone models.  As long as your 
> face is around 20 to 80 cm (8 to 36 inches) away from your face, the 
> recognition speed is amazingly fast and accurate.  If you have an Apple 
> Watch, then wearing a mask is not an issue.  If your watch is on your wrist, 
> is connected to your iPhone, and has a pass-code, then the iPhone will just 
> unlock as it recognizes that you have the watch and a partial face 
> recognition.  The iPhone will also instantly ask for your pass-code if it 
> recognizes that you’re wearing a mask and do not have an Apple Watch.
> 
> All this being said, yes, a properly working finger-print sensor would likely 
> be quicker if you do not have the Apple Watch scenario, but just thought I’d 
> throw some info into the mix.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:32 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t know, but that’s still not as fast as just having Touch ID.
>> 
>> The other thing I don’t understand about this issue is that all the new 
>> iPads come with Touch ID built into the top button.  If they can do that on 
>> the iPads, why not also build it into the phones?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:29 AM, >> > >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Okay.
>>> Could you disable Face ID temporarily and just use the passcode?
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >> > 
>>> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:28 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>>>  
>>> Yes, but none that pertain to unlocking the phone.
>>> Donna
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:46 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
  wrote:
  
 Okay, can u use the back tap feature to replace some of the newer gestures?
  
 From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >>> > 
 Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 10:34 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
  
 Hi Dave,
  
 Not Shawn, but I’ll give you my take on this.
  
 First, I do like the Home button.  I’ve had Face ID since the 10 came out, 
 so I’m used to the gestures, but I still would prefer a home button.
  
 As for face ID being faster, that’s not my experience.  With face ID, I 
 can’t unlock the phone until it’s in front of my face.  With Touch ID, I 
 could unlock it while I was pulling it out of my purse, so by the time it 
 was situated in my hand, it was already unlocked.
  
 Finally, there are two situations which I encounter on a daily basis in 
 which Face ID doesn’t work at all. Face ID is an ordeal when you’re 
 wearing a mask, requiring you to pull your mask down before unlocking the 
 phone, which harkens back to your point that Face ID is faster.  It’s not 
 faster by the time you pull out your phone, pull down your mask, and then 
 unlock the phone.  And I think wearing masks is going to be with us for a 
 while, so that’s a great argument for Touch ID.  The other issue I have is 
 when I’m in bright sunlight.  In that situation, the screen washes out, 
 and Face ID doesn’t work at all.  I can’t begin to guess how many times 
 I’ve had to contort my body into some weird position just to avoid having 
 the lighting wash out my screen.
 Cheers,
 Donna.
 
 
 
> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Dave Carlson  > wrote:
>  
> Shawn,
> What is it about Face ID that you don’t like? Did you have it on your 
> 

Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hmm.  Maybe I’ll give it another try.  I just remember that it felt like I was 
constantly having to enter the pass code.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Sep 20, 2021, at 11:01 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> That’s odd.  The pass-code, when enabled is only required when you first put 
> the watch on.  There should be no need to enter the pass-code any other time. 
>  So, for example, after my shower in the morning, I put my watch back on, it 
> asks for the pass-code which I enter.  From then on, the entire day long, I 
> do not need to enter the watch pass-code ever and I use the watch for 
> workouts, time checking and more throughout the day.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:57 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Tim,
>> 
>> I did try setting up my watch to unlock my phone, but got tired of having to 
>> enter the pass code every time I wanted to check the time, so turned the 
>> feature off. :)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:45 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> FaceID recognition is very fast in the newer iPhone models.  As long as 
>>> your face is around 20 to 80 cm (8 to 36 inches) away from your face, the 
>>> recognition speed is amazingly fast and accurate.  If you have an Apple 
>>> Watch, then wearing a mask is not an issue.  If your watch is on your 
>>> wrist, is connected to your iPhone, and has a pass-code, then the iPhone 
>>> will just unlock as it recognizes that you have the watch and a partial 
>>> face recognition.  The iPhone will also instantly ask for your pass-code if 
>>> it recognizes that you’re wearing a mask and do not have an Apple Watch.
>>> 
>>> All this being said, yes, a properly working finger-print sensor would 
>>> likely be quicker if you do not have the Apple Watch scenario, but just 
>>> thought I’d throw some info into the mix.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:32 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 I don’t know, but that’s still not as fast as just having Touch ID.
 
 The other thing I don’t understand about this issue is that all the new 
 iPads come with Touch ID built into the top button.  If they can do that 
 on the iPads, why not also build it into the phones?
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
> On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:29 AM,  >  > wrote:
> 
> Okay.
> Could you disable Face ID temporarily and just use the passcode?
>  
>  
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  > 
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:28 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> 
> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>  
> Yes, but none that pertain to unlocking the phone.
> Donna
>  
> 
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:46 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
>>  wrote:
>>  
>> Okay, can u use the back tap feature to replace some of the newer 
>> gestures?
>>  
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > > 
>> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 10:34 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>>  
>> Hi Dave,
>>  
>> Not Shawn, but I’ll give you my take on this.
>>  
>> First, I do like the Home button.  I’ve had Face ID since the 10 came 
>> out, so I’m used to the gestures, but I still would prefer a home button.
>>  
>> As for face ID being faster, that’s not my experience.  With face ID, I 
>> can’t unlock the phone until it’s in front of my face.  With Touch ID, I 
>> could unlock it while I was pulling it out of my purse, so by the time 
>> it was situated in my hand, it was already unlocked.
>>  
>> Finally, there are two situations which I encounter on a daily basis in 
>> which Face ID doesn’t work at all. Face ID is an ordeal when you’re 
>> wearing a mask, requiring you to pull your mask down before unlocking 
>> the phone, which harkens back to your point that Face ID is faster.  
>> It’s not faster by the time you pull out your phone, pull down your 
>> mask, and then unlock the phone.  And I think wearing masks is going to 
>> be with us for a 

Re: iOS 15 Roll-out Today?

[Michael Babcock]

Typically around 10:00AM PST (1:00 PM Eastern)



On 9/20/21, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> It hasn’t on my end yet, and I heard the same thing as well.
>
>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Dave Carlson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Did I hear that iOS 15 will. Be pushed out on September 20? Has anyone
>> received the download? I’m in Pacific Time Zone.
>>
>> Dave Carlson
>> Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
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Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

That’s odd.  The pass-code, when enabled is only required when you first put 
the watch on.  There should be no need to enter the pass-code any other time.  
So, for example, after my shower in the morning, I put my watch back on, it 
asks for the pass-code which I enter.  From then on, the entire day long, I do 
not need to enter the watch pass-code ever and I use the watch for workouts, 
time checking and more throughout the day.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:57 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey Tim,
> 
> I did try setting up my watch to unlock my phone, but got tired of having to 
> enter the pass code every time I wanted to check the time, so turned the 
> feature off. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:45 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> FaceID recognition is very fast in the newer iPhone models.  As long as your 
>> face is around 20 to 80 cm (8 to 36 inches) away from your face, the 
>> recognition speed is amazingly fast and accurate.  If you have an Apple 
>> Watch, then wearing a mask is not an issue.  If your watch is on your wrist, 
>> is connected to your iPhone, and has a pass-code, then the iPhone will just 
>> unlock as it recognizes that you have the watch and a partial face 
>> recognition.  The iPhone will also instantly ask for your pass-code if it 
>> recognizes that you’re wearing a mask and do not have an Apple Watch.
>> 
>> All this being said, yes, a properly working finger-print sensor would 
>> likely be quicker if you do not have the Apple Watch scenario, but just 
>> thought I’d throw some info into the mix.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:32 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don’t know, but that’s still not as fast as just having Touch ID.
>>> 
>>> The other thing I don’t understand about this issue is that all the new 
>>> iPads come with Touch ID built into the top button.  If they can do that on 
>>> the iPads, why not also build it into the phones?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:29 AM, >>> > >>> > wrote:
 
 Okay.
 Could you disable Face ID temporarily and just use the passcode?
  
  
 From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >>> > 
 Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:28 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
  
 Yes, but none that pertain to unlocking the phone.
 Donna
  
 
 
> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:46 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
>  
> Okay, can u use the back tap feature to replace some of the newer 
> gestures?
>  
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  > 
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 10:34 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> 
> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>  
> Hi Dave,
>  
> Not Shawn, but I’ll give you my take on this.
>  
> First, I do like the Home button.  I’ve had Face ID since the 10 came 
> out, so I’m used to the gestures, but I still would prefer a home button.
>  
> As for face ID being faster, that’s not my experience.  With face ID, I 
> can’t unlock the phone until it’s in front of my face.  With Touch ID, I 
> could unlock it while I was pulling it out of my purse, so by the time it 
> was situated in my hand, it was already unlocked.
>  
> Finally, there are two situations which I encounter on a daily basis in 
> which Face ID doesn’t work at all. Face ID is an ordeal when you’re 
> wearing a mask, requiring you to pull your mask down before unlocking the 
> phone, which harkens back to your point that Face ID is faster.  It’s not 
> faster by the time you pull out your phone, pull down your mask, and then 
> unlock the phone.  And I think wearing masks is going to be with us for a 
> while, so that’s a great argument for Touch ID.  The other issue I have 
> is when I’m in bright sunlight.  In that situation, the screen washes 
> out, and Face ID doesn’t work at all.  I can’t begin to guess how many 
> times I’ve had to contort my body into some weird position just to avoid 
> having the lighting wash out my screen.
> Cheers,
> Donna.
> 
> 
> 

RE: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

[skipper8218]

Given the situation we are in, I think Apple should have included Touch ID on 
the new phones.

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:58 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

I'm still on the fence.  I’m leaning toward upgrading, but the lack of Touch ID 
would be the thing that would keep me from doing it.

Cheers,

Donna

 

On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:56 AM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I agree with you, and this is why I didn’t even consider the new iPhone Mini.

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:32 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

I don’t know, but that’s still not as fast as just having Touch ID.

 

The other thing I don’t understand about this issue is that all the new iPads 
come with Touch ID built into the top button.  If they can do that on the 
iPads, why not also build it into the phones?

Cheers,

Donna






On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:29 AM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Okay.

Could you disable Face ID temporarily and just use the passcode?

 

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

Yes, but none that pertain to unlocking the phone.

Donna

 







On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:46 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

 

Okay, can u use the back tap feature to replace some of the newer gestures?

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 10:34 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

Hi Dave,

 

Not Shawn, but I’ll give you my take on this.

 

First, I do like the Home button.  I’ve had Face ID since the 10 came out, so 
I’m used to the gestures, but I still would prefer a home button.

 

As for face ID being faster, that’s not my experience.  With face ID, I can’t 
unlock the phone until it’s in front of my face.  With Touch ID, I could unlock 
it while I was pulling it out of my purse, so by the time it was situated in my 
hand, it was already unlocked.

 

Finally, there are two situations which I encounter on a daily basis in which 
Face ID doesn’t work at all. Face ID is an ordeal when you’re wearing a mask, 
requiring you to pull your mask down before unlocking the phone, which harkens 
back to your point that Face ID is faster.  It’s not faster by the time you 
pull out your phone, pull down your mask, and then unlock the phone.  And I 
think wearing masks is going to be with us for a while, so that’s a great 
argument for Touch ID.  The other issue I have is when I’m in bright sunlight.  
In that situation, the screen washes out, and Face ID doesn’t work at all.  I 
can’t begin to guess how many times I’ve had to contort my body into some weird 
position just to avoid having the lighting wash out my screen.

Cheers,

Donna.








On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Dave Carlson mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Shawn,

What is it about Face ID that you don’t like? Did you have it on your previous 
iPhone? I personally like Face ID as it is so much faster than using Touch ID 
or the passcode. Perhaps it’s the lack of a home button that’s actually your 
reason for your iPhone preference?

 

Dave Carlson

Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer

 

On Sep 19, 2021, at 11:25 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as long 
as I can because I really don't like Face ID.

 

Regards,
Shawn,
Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air

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On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I do 
not think it has 5G.
However, those features are not a priority for me.
I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the iPhone 
Mini 12 and 13 are out.

-Original Message-
From: 

Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

It’s probably a real estate issue.  The iPads are both thicker and bigger than 
an iPhone, thus there are more components crammed into a smaller footprint.  
Supposedly by the iPhone 15, in 2023, there will be under glass finger-print 
recognition.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:56 AM,   
> wrote:
> 
> I agree with you, and this is why I didn’t even consider the new iPhone Mini.
>  
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  > 
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:32 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>  
> I don’t know, but that’s still not as fast as just having Touch ID.
>  
> The other thing I don’t understand about this issue is that all the new iPads 
> come with Touch ID built into the top button.  If they can do that on the 
> iPads, why not also build it into the phones?
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:29 AM, > > > > wrote:
>>  
>> Okay.
>> Could you disable Face ID temporarily and just use the passcode?
>>  
>>  
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > > 
>> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:28 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>>  
>> Yes, but none that pertain to unlocking the phone.
>> Donna
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:46 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
>>>  wrote:
>>>  
>>> Okay, can u use the back tap feature to replace some of the newer gestures?
>>>  
>>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >> > 
>>> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 10:34 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>>>  
>>> Hi Dave,
>>>  
>>> Not Shawn, but I’ll give you my take on this.
>>>  
>>> First, I do like the Home button.  I’ve had Face ID since the 10 came out, 
>>> so I’m used to the gestures, but I still would prefer a home button.
>>>  
>>> As for face ID being faster, that’s not my experience.  With face ID, I 
>>> can’t unlock the phone until it’s in front of my face.  With Touch ID, I 
>>> could unlock it while I was pulling it out of my purse, so by the time it 
>>> was situated in my hand, it was already unlocked.
>>>  
>>> Finally, there are two situations which I encounter on a daily basis in 
>>> which Face ID doesn’t work at all. Face ID is an ordeal when you’re wearing 
>>> a mask, requiring you to pull your mask down before unlocking the phone, 
>>> which harkens back to your point that Face ID is faster.  It’s not faster 
>>> by the time you pull out your phone, pull down your mask, and then unlock 
>>> the phone.  And I think wearing masks is going to be with us for a while, 
>>> so that’s a great argument for Touch ID.  The other issue I have is when 
>>> I’m in bright sunlight.  In that situation, the screen washes out, and Face 
>>> ID doesn’t work at all.  I can’t begin to guess how many times I’ve had to 
>>> contort my body into some weird position just to avoid having the lighting 
>>> wash out my screen.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Dave Carlson >>> > wrote:
  
 Shawn,
 What is it about Face ID that you don’t like? Did you have it on your 
 previous iPhone? I personally like Face ID as it is so much faster than 
 using Touch ID or the passcode. Perhaps it’s the lack of a home button 
 that’s actually your reason for your iPhone preference?
  
 Dave Carlson
 Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
  
 On Sep 19, 2021, at 11:25 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
  
 Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as 
 long as I can because I really don't like Face ID.
  
 Regards,
 Shawn,
 Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
 
 Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
 Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email 
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 Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
 Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
 
 
 
 
> On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM,  >  > wrote:
>  
> The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match 

Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I'm still on the fence.  I’m leaning toward upgrading, but the lack of Touch ID 
would be the thing that would keep me from doing it.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:56 AM,   
> wrote:
> 
> I agree with you, and this is why I didn’t even consider the new iPhone Mini.
>  
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  > 
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:32 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>  
> I don’t know, but that’s still not as fast as just having Touch ID.
>  
> The other thing I don’t understand about this issue is that all the new iPads 
> come with Touch ID built into the top button.  If they can do that on the 
> iPads, why not also build it into the phones?
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:29 AM, > > > > wrote:
>>  
>> Okay.
>> Could you disable Face ID temporarily and just use the passcode?
>>  
>>  
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > > 
>> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:28 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>>  
>> Yes, but none that pertain to unlocking the phone.
>> Donna
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:46 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
>>>  wrote:
>>>  
>>> Okay, can u use the back tap feature to replace some of the newer gestures?
>>>  
>>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >> > 
>>> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 10:34 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>>>  
>>> Hi Dave,
>>>  
>>> Not Shawn, but I’ll give you my take on this.
>>>  
>>> First, I do like the Home button.  I’ve had Face ID since the 10 came out, 
>>> so I’m used to the gestures, but I still would prefer a home button.
>>>  
>>> As for face ID being faster, that’s not my experience.  With face ID, I 
>>> can’t unlock the phone until it’s in front of my face.  With Touch ID, I 
>>> could unlock it while I was pulling it out of my purse, so by the time it 
>>> was situated in my hand, it was already unlocked.
>>>  
>>> Finally, there are two situations which I encounter on a daily basis in 
>>> which Face ID doesn’t work at all. Face ID is an ordeal when you’re wearing 
>>> a mask, requiring you to pull your mask down before unlocking the phone, 
>>> which harkens back to your point that Face ID is faster.  It’s not faster 
>>> by the time you pull out your phone, pull down your mask, and then unlock 
>>> the phone.  And I think wearing masks is going to be with us for a while, 
>>> so that’s a great argument for Touch ID.  The other issue I have is when 
>>> I’m in bright sunlight.  In that situation, the screen washes out, and Face 
>>> ID doesn’t work at all.  I can’t begin to guess how many times I’ve had to 
>>> contort my body into some weird position just to avoid having the lighting 
>>> wash out my screen.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Dave Carlson >>> > wrote:
  
 Shawn,
 What is it about Face ID that you don’t like? Did you have it on your 
 previous iPhone? I personally like Face ID as it is so much faster than 
 using Touch ID or the passcode. Perhaps it’s the lack of a home button 
 that’s actually your reason for your iPhone preference?
  
 Dave Carlson
 Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
  
 On Sep 19, 2021, at 11:25 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
  
 Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as 
 long as I can because I really don't like Face ID.
  
 Regards,
 Shawn,
 Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
 
 Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
 Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email 
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 happily add you.
 
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 Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
 Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
 Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
 
 
 
 
> On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM,  >  > wrote:
>  
> The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
> The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and 
> I do not think it has 5G.
> However, those features are not a priority for me.
> I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the 

Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hey Tim,

I did try setting up my watch to unlock my phone, but got tired of having to 
enter the pass code every time I wanted to check the time, so turned the 
feature off. :)
Cheers,
Donna


> On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:45 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> FaceID recognition is very fast in the newer iPhone models.  As long as your 
> face is around 20 to 80 cm (8 to 36 inches) away from your face, the 
> recognition speed is amazingly fast and accurate.  If you have an Apple 
> Watch, then wearing a mask is not an issue.  If your watch is on your wrist, 
> is connected to your iPhone, and has a pass-code, then the iPhone will just 
> unlock as it recognizes that you have the watch and a partial face 
> recognition.  The iPhone will also instantly ask for your pass-code if it 
> recognizes that you’re wearing a mask and do not have an Apple Watch.
> 
> All this being said, yes, a properly working finger-print sensor would likely 
> be quicker if you do not have the Apple Watch scenario, but just thought I’d 
> throw some info into the mix.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:32 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t know, but that’s still not as fast as just having Touch ID.
>> 
>> The other thing I don’t understand about this issue is that all the new 
>> iPads come with Touch ID built into the top button.  If they can do that on 
>> the iPads, why not also build it into the phones?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:29 AM, >> > >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Okay.
>>> Could you disable Face ID temporarily and just use the passcode?
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >> > 
>>> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:28 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>>>  
>>> Yes, but none that pertain to unlocking the phone.
>>> Donna
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:46 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
  wrote:
  
 Okay, can u use the back tap feature to replace some of the newer gestures?
  
 From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >>> > 
 Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 10:34 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
  
 Hi Dave,
  
 Not Shawn, but I’ll give you my take on this.
  
 First, I do like the Home button.  I’ve had Face ID since the 10 came out, 
 so I’m used to the gestures, but I still would prefer a home button.
  
 As for face ID being faster, that’s not my experience.  With face ID, I 
 can’t unlock the phone until it’s in front of my face.  With Touch ID, I 
 could unlock it while I was pulling it out of my purse, so by the time it 
 was situated in my hand, it was already unlocked.
  
 Finally, there are two situations which I encounter on a daily basis in 
 which Face ID doesn’t work at all. Face ID is an ordeal when you’re 
 wearing a mask, requiring you to pull your mask down before unlocking the 
 phone, which harkens back to your point that Face ID is faster.  It’s not 
 faster by the time you pull out your phone, pull down your mask, and then 
 unlock the phone.  And I think wearing masks is going to be with us for a 
 while, so that’s a great argument for Touch ID.  The other issue I have is 
 when I’m in bright sunlight.  In that situation, the screen washes out, 
 and Face ID doesn’t work at all.  I can’t begin to guess how many times 
 I’ve had to contort my body into some weird position just to avoid having 
 the lighting wash out my screen.
 Cheers,
 Donna.
 
 
 
> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Dave Carlson  > wrote:
>  
> Shawn,
> What is it about Face ID that you don’t like? Did you have it on your 
> previous iPhone? I personally like Face ID as it is so much faster than 
> using Touch ID or the passcode. Perhaps it’s the lack of a home button 
> that’s actually your reason for your iPhone preference?
>  
> Dave Carlson
> Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
>  
> On Sep 19, 2021, at 11:25 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
>  
> Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as 
> long as I can because I really don't like Face ID.
>  
> Regards,
> Shawn,
> Sent from Sophia, the 

RE: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

[skipper8218]

I agree with you, and this is why I didn’t even consider the new iPhone Mini.

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:32 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

I don’t know, but that’s still not as fast as just having Touch ID.

 

The other thing I don’t understand about this issue is that all the new iPads 
come with Touch ID built into the top button.  If they can do that on the 
iPads, why not also build it into the phones?

Cheers,

Donna





On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:29 AM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Okay.

Could you disable Face ID temporarily and just use the passcode?

 

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

Yes, but none that pertain to unlocking the phone.

Donna

 






On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:46 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

 

Okay, can u use the back tap feature to replace some of the newer gestures?

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 10:34 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

Hi Dave,

 

Not Shawn, but I’ll give you my take on this.

 

First, I do like the Home button.  I’ve had Face ID since the 10 came out, so 
I’m used to the gestures, but I still would prefer a home button.

 

As for face ID being faster, that’s not my experience.  With face ID, I can’t 
unlock the phone until it’s in front of my face.  With Touch ID, I could unlock 
it while I was pulling it out of my purse, so by the time it was situated in my 
hand, it was already unlocked.

 

Finally, there are two situations which I encounter on a daily basis in which 
Face ID doesn’t work at all. Face ID is an ordeal when you’re wearing a mask, 
requiring you to pull your mask down before unlocking the phone, which harkens 
back to your point that Face ID is faster.  It’s not faster by the time you 
pull out your phone, pull down your mask, and then unlock the phone.  And I 
think wearing masks is going to be with us for a while, so that’s a great 
argument for Touch ID.  The other issue I have is when I’m in bright sunlight.  
In that situation, the screen washes out, and Face ID doesn’t work at all.  I 
can’t begin to guess how many times I’ve had to contort my body into some weird 
position just to avoid having the lighting wash out my screen.

Cheers,

Donna.







On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Dave Carlson mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Shawn,

What is it about Face ID that you don’t like? Did you have it on your previous 
iPhone? I personally like Face ID as it is so much faster than using Touch ID 
or the passcode. Perhaps it’s the lack of a home button that’s actually your 
reason for your iPhone preference?

 

Dave Carlson

Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer

 

On Sep 19, 2021, at 11:25 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as long 
as I can because I really don't like Face ID.

 

Regards,
Shawn,
Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air

Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email with 
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you.

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On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I do 
not think it has 5G.
However, those features are not a priority for me.
I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the iPhone 
Mini 12 and 13 are out.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

Hi.

I must say I am very happy with mine too.
When I got it, my original SE was still working well, although I was using IOS 
11 on it. lol

It's very responsive and most times I have no issue with it.
I even enjoy listening to music on it while I work, without any external 
speaker. The sound quality is quite 

Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Yeah, but that’s different from just turning off Face ID.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:42 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Actually, if Face ID does fail, you are presented with the passcode keyboard 
> automatically.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Farfar, Woodworker, and Pioneer
> 
> On Sep 20, 2021, at 8:29 AM,  >  > wrote:
> 
> Okay.
> Could you disable Face ID temporarily and just use the passcode?
>  
>  
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  > 
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:28 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>  
> Yes, but none that pertain to unlocking the phone.
> Donna
>  
> 
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:46 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
>>  wrote:
>>  
>> Okay, can u use the back tap feature to replace some of the newer gestures?
>>  
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > > 
>> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 10:34 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>>  
>> Hi Dave,
>>  
>> Not Shawn, but I’ll give you my take on this.
>>  
>> First, I do like the Home button.  I’ve had Face ID since the 10 came out, 
>> so I’m used to the gestures, but I still would prefer a home button.
>>  
>> As for face ID being faster, that’s not my experience.  With face ID, I 
>> can’t unlock the phone until it’s in front of my face.  With Touch ID, I 
>> could unlock it while I was pulling it out of my purse, so by the time it 
>> was situated in my hand, it was already unlocked.
>>  
>> Finally, there are two situations which I encounter on a daily basis in 
>> which Face ID doesn’t work at all. Face ID is an ordeal when you’re wearing 
>> a mask, requiring you to pull your mask down before unlocking the phone, 
>> which harkens back to your point that Face ID is faster.  It’s not faster by 
>> the time you pull out your phone, pull down your mask, and then unlock the 
>> phone.  And I think wearing masks is going to be with us for a while, so 
>> that’s a great argument for Touch ID.  The other issue I have is when I’m in 
>> bright sunlight.  In that situation, the screen washes out, and Face ID 
>> doesn’t work at all.  I can’t begin to guess how many times I’ve had to 
>> contort my body into some weird position just to avoid having the lighting 
>> wash out my screen.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Dave Carlson >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Shawn,
>>> What is it about Face ID that you don’t like? Did you have it on your 
>>> previous iPhone? I personally like Face ID as it is so much faster than 
>>> using Touch ID or the passcode. Perhaps it’s the lack of a home button 
>>> that’s actually your reason for your iPhone preference?
>>>  
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
>>>  
>>> On Sep 19, 2021, at 11:25 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as 
>>> long as I can because I really don't like Face ID.
>>>  
>>> Regards,
>>> Shawn,
>>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
>>> 
>>> Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
>>> Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email 
>>> with your contact information and the group you wish to join and I'll 
>>> happily add you.
>>> 
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM, >>> > >>> > wrote:
  
 The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
 The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I 
 do not think it has 5G.
 However, those features are not a priority for me.
 I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the 
 iPhone Mini 12 and 13 are out.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 > On Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky
 Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
 
 Hi.
 
 I must say I am very happy with mine too.
 When I got it, my original SE was still working well, although I was using 
 IOS 11 on it. lol
 
 It's very responsive and most times I have no 

Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Oops, forgot to add the following link to my earlier info.

https://9to5mac.com/2021/08/31/iphone-how-to-use-face-id-with-mask/ 


This link gives you some ideas on how to best deal with Face ID and mask 
wearing at this point.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:45 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> FaceID recognition is very fast in the newer iPhone models.  As long as your 
> face is around 20 to 80 cm (8 to 36 inches) away from your face, the 
> recognition speed is amazingly fast and accurate.  If you have an Apple 
> Watch, then wearing a mask is not an issue.  If your watch is on your wrist, 
> is connected to your iPhone, and has a pass-code, then the iPhone will just 
> unlock as it recognizes that you have the watch and a partial face 
> recognition.  The iPhone will also instantly ask for your pass-code if it 
> recognizes that you’re wearing a mask and do not have an Apple Watch.
> 
> All this being said, yes, a properly working finger-print sensor would likely 
> be quicker if you do not have the Apple Watch scenario, but just thought I’d 
> throw some info into the mix.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:32 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t know, but that’s still not as fast as just having Touch ID.
>> 
>> The other thing I don’t understand about this issue is that all the new 
>> iPads come with Touch ID built into the top button.  If they can do that on 
>> the iPads, why not also build it into the phones?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:29 AM, >> > >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Okay.
>>> Could you disable Face ID temporarily and just use the passcode?
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >> > 
>>> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:28 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>>>  
>>> Yes, but none that pertain to unlocking the phone.
>>> Donna
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:46 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
  wrote:
  
 Okay, can u use the back tap feature to replace some of the newer gestures?
  
 From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >>> > 
 Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 10:34 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
  
 Hi Dave,
  
 Not Shawn, but I’ll give you my take on this.
  
 First, I do like the Home button.  I’ve had Face ID since the 10 came out, 
 so I’m used to the gestures, but I still would prefer a home button.
  
 As for face ID being faster, that’s not my experience.  With face ID, I 
 can’t unlock the phone until it’s in front of my face.  With Touch ID, I 
 could unlock it while I was pulling it out of my purse, so by the time it 
 was situated in my hand, it was already unlocked.
  
 Finally, there are two situations which I encounter on a daily basis in 
 which Face ID doesn’t work at all. Face ID is an ordeal when you’re 
 wearing a mask, requiring you to pull your mask down before unlocking the 
 phone, which harkens back to your point that Face ID is faster.  It’s not 
 faster by the time you pull out your phone, pull down your mask, and then 
 unlock the phone.  And I think wearing masks is going to be with us for a 
 while, so that’s a great argument for Touch ID.  The other issue I have is 
 when I’m in bright sunlight.  In that situation, the screen washes out, 
 and Face ID doesn’t work at all.  I can’t begin to guess how many times 
 I’ve had to contort my body into some weird position just to avoid having 
 the lighting wash out my screen.
 Cheers,
 Donna.
 
 
 
> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Dave Carlson  > wrote:
>  
> Shawn,
> What is it about Face ID that you don’t like? Did you have it on your 
> previous iPhone? I personally like Face ID as it is so much faster than 
> using Touch ID or the passcode. Perhaps it’s the lack of a home button 
> that’s actually your reason for your iPhone preference?
>  
> Dave Carlson
> Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
>  
> On Sep 19, 2021, at 11:25 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
> 

Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

FaceID recognition is very fast in the newer iPhone models.  As long as your 
face is around 20 to 80 cm (8 to 36 inches) away from your face, the 
recognition speed is amazingly fast and accurate.  If you have an Apple Watch, 
then wearing a mask is not an issue.  If your watch is on your wrist, is 
connected to your iPhone, and has a pass-code, then the iPhone will just unlock 
as it recognizes that you have the watch and a partial face recognition.  The 
iPhone will also instantly ask for your pass-code if it recognizes that you’re 
wearing a mask and do not have an Apple Watch.

All this being said, yes, a properly working finger-print sensor would likely 
be quicker if you do not have the Apple Watch scenario, but just thought I’d 
throw some info into the mix.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:32 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don’t know, but that’s still not as fast as just having Touch ID.
> 
> The other thing I don’t understand about this issue is that all the new iPads 
> come with Touch ID built into the top button.  If they can do that on the 
> iPads, why not also build it into the phones?
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:29 AM, > > > > wrote:
>> 
>> Okay.
>> Could you disable Face ID temporarily and just use the passcode?
>>  
>>  
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > > 
>> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:28 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>>  
>> Yes, but none that pertain to unlocking the phone.
>> Donna
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:46 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
>>>  wrote:
>>>  
>>> Okay, can u use the back tap feature to replace some of the newer gestures?
>>>  
>>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >> > 
>>> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 10:34 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>>>  
>>> Hi Dave,
>>>  
>>> Not Shawn, but I’ll give you my take on this.
>>>  
>>> First, I do like the Home button.  I’ve had Face ID since the 10 came out, 
>>> so I’m used to the gestures, but I still would prefer a home button.
>>>  
>>> As for face ID being faster, that’s not my experience.  With face ID, I 
>>> can’t unlock the phone until it’s in front of my face.  With Touch ID, I 
>>> could unlock it while I was pulling it out of my purse, so by the time it 
>>> was situated in my hand, it was already unlocked.
>>>  
>>> Finally, there are two situations which I encounter on a daily basis in 
>>> which Face ID doesn’t work at all. Face ID is an ordeal when you’re wearing 
>>> a mask, requiring you to pull your mask down before unlocking the phone, 
>>> which harkens back to your point that Face ID is faster.  It’s not faster 
>>> by the time you pull out your phone, pull down your mask, and then unlock 
>>> the phone.  And I think wearing masks is going to be with us for a while, 
>>> so that’s a great argument for Touch ID.  The other issue I have is when 
>>> I’m in bright sunlight.  In that situation, the screen washes out, and Face 
>>> ID doesn’t work at all.  I can’t begin to guess how many times I’ve had to 
>>> contort my body into some weird position just to avoid having the lighting 
>>> wash out my screen.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Dave Carlson >>> > wrote:
  
 Shawn,
 What is it about Face ID that you don’t like? Did you have it on your 
 previous iPhone? I personally like Face ID as it is so much faster than 
 using Touch ID or the passcode. Perhaps it’s the lack of a home button 
 that’s actually your reason for your iPhone preference?
  
 Dave Carlson
 Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
  
 On Sep 19, 2021, at 11:25 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
  
 Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as 
 long as I can because I really don't like Face ID.
  
 Regards,
 Shawn,
 Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
 
 Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
 Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email 
 with your contact information and the group you wish to join and I'll 
 happily add you.
 
 Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
 Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
 Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
 Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
 
 

Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

[Dave Carlson]

Actually, if Face ID does fail, you are presented with the passcode keyboard 
automatically.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Farfar, Woodworker, and Pioneer

On Sep 20, 2021, at 8:29 AM,   
wrote:

Okay.
Could you disable Face ID temporarily and just use the passcode?
 
 
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
 
Yes, but none that pertain to unlocking the phone.
Donna
 


> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:46 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
>  
> Okay, can u use the back tap feature to replace some of the newer gestures?
>  
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  > 
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 10:34 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>  
> Hi Dave,
>  
> Not Shawn, but I’ll give you my take on this.
>  
> First, I do like the Home button.  I’ve had Face ID since the 10 came out, so 
> I’m used to the gestures, but I still would prefer a home button.
>  
> As for face ID being faster, that’s not my experience.  With face ID, I can’t 
> unlock the phone until it’s in front of my face.  With Touch ID, I could 
> unlock it while I was pulling it out of my purse, so by the time it was 
> situated in my hand, it was already unlocked.
>  
> Finally, there are two situations which I encounter on a daily basis in which 
> Face ID doesn’t work at all. Face ID is an ordeal when you’re wearing a mask, 
> requiring you to pull your mask down before unlocking the phone, which 
> harkens back to your point that Face ID is faster.  It’s not faster by the 
> time you pull out your phone, pull down your mask, and then unlock the phone. 
>  And I think wearing masks is going to be with us for a while, so that’s a 
> great argument for Touch ID.  The other issue I have is when I’m in bright 
> sunlight.  In that situation, the screen washes out, and Face ID doesn’t work 
> at all.  I can’t begin to guess how many times I’ve had to contort my body 
> into some weird position just to avoid having the lighting wash out my screen.
> Cheers,
> Donna.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Dave Carlson > > wrote:
>>  
>> Shawn,
>> What is it about Face ID that you don’t like? Did you have it on your 
>> previous iPhone? I personally like Face ID as it is so much faster than 
>> using Touch ID or the passcode. Perhaps it’s the lack of a home button 
>> that’s actually your reason for your iPhone preference?
>>  
>> Dave Carlson
>> Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
>>  
>> On Sep 19, 2021, at 11:25 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>>  
>> Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as 
>> long as I can because I really don't like Face ID.
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Shawn,
>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
>> 
>> Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
>> Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email 
>> with your contact information and the group you wish to join and I'll 
>> happily add you.
>> 
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM, >> > >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
>>> The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I 
>>> do not think it has 5G.
>>> However, those features are not a priority for me.
>>> I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the 
>>> iPhone Mini 12 and 13 are out.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> >> > On Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> I must say I am very happy with mine too.
>>> When I got it, my original SE was still working well, although I was using 
>>> IOS 11 on it. lol
>>> 
>>> It's very responsive and most times I have no issue with it.
>>> I even enjoy listening to music on it while I work, without any external 
>>> speaker. The sound quality is quite good.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps.
>>> 
>>> Take care,
>>> Tali
>>> 
>>> On 9/19/21, skipper8...@gmail.com  
>>> mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 I love the iPhone SE 2020.
 It is the same size as the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8.
 It is fast 

Re: Viewing attachments and names of attachments in the inbox

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

If you’re simply wondering if a specific message has an attachment or not, then 
that is announced by default when you are arrowing through the messages list.  
For example, if there was an attachment embedded in this message, it would 
announce “Tim Kilburn, Subject Line, Date of Message, Attachment, some 
content”.  After opening a message, you can interact with the Message Header 
area, and the last item in this header will be announced as “Attachment” if one 
is attached.

HTH.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Sep 20, 2021, at 2:40 AM, Michael Busboom  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I frequently receive emails with attachments, but I have not been able to 
> determine whether an email has an attachment or not. Is there a way to make 
> the Apple Mail program let one know that the message currently in focus has 
> an attachment?
> 
> A blind friend told me that if an email has an attachment, this will be 
> placed at the end of the message itself. However, I did not find this to be 
> the case for me.  
> 
> How can I get the Mail program to notify me that a message comes with an 
> attachment?  The only thing I can do at present is to type command Y for the 
> attachment preview.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Mike 
> 
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Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I don’t know, but that’s still not as fast as just having Touch ID.

The other thing I don’t understand about this issue is that all the new iPads 
come with Touch ID built into the top button.  If they can do that on the 
iPads, why not also build it into the phones?
Cheers,
Donna

> On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:29 AM,   
> wrote:
> 
> Okay.
> Could you disable Face ID temporarily and just use the passcode?
>  
>  
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  > 
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:28 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>  
> Yes, but none that pertain to unlocking the phone.
> Donna
>  
> 
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:46 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
>>  wrote:
>>  
>> Okay, can u use the back tap feature to replace some of the newer gestures?
>>  
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > > 
>> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 10:34 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>>  
>> Hi Dave,
>>  
>> Not Shawn, but I’ll give you my take on this.
>>  
>> First, I do like the Home button.  I’ve had Face ID since the 10 came out, 
>> so I’m used to the gestures, but I still would prefer a home button.
>>  
>> As for face ID being faster, that’s not my experience.  With face ID, I 
>> can’t unlock the phone until it’s in front of my face.  With Touch ID, I 
>> could unlock it while I was pulling it out of my purse, so by the time it 
>> was situated in my hand, it was already unlocked.
>>  
>> Finally, there are two situations which I encounter on a daily basis in 
>> which Face ID doesn’t work at all. Face ID is an ordeal when you’re wearing 
>> a mask, requiring you to pull your mask down before unlocking the phone, 
>> which harkens back to your point that Face ID is faster.  It’s not faster by 
>> the time you pull out your phone, pull down your mask, and then unlock the 
>> phone.  And I think wearing masks is going to be with us for a while, so 
>> that’s a great argument for Touch ID.  The other issue I have is when I’m in 
>> bright sunlight.  In that situation, the screen washes out, and Face ID 
>> doesn’t work at all.  I can’t begin to guess how many times I’ve had to 
>> contort my body into some weird position just to avoid having the lighting 
>> wash out my screen.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Dave Carlson >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Shawn,
>>> What is it about Face ID that you don’t like? Did you have it on your 
>>> previous iPhone? I personally like Face ID as it is so much faster than 
>>> using Touch ID or the passcode. Perhaps it’s the lack of a home button 
>>> that’s actually your reason for your iPhone preference?
>>>  
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
>>>  
>>> On Sep 19, 2021, at 11:25 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as 
>>> long as I can because I really don't like Face ID.
>>>  
>>> Regards,
>>> Shawn,
>>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
>>> 
>>> Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
>>> Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email 
>>> with your contact information and the group you wish to join and I'll 
>>> happily add you.
>>> 
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM, >>> > >>> > wrote:
  
 The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
 The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I 
 do not think it has 5G.
 However, those features are not a priority for me.
 I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the 
 iPhone Mini 12 and 13 are out.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 > On Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky
 Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
 
 Hi.
 
 I must say I am very happy with mine too.
 When I got it, my original SE was still working well, although I was using 
 IOS 11 on it. lol
 
 It's very responsive and most times I have no issue with it.
 I even enjoy listening to music on it while I work, without any 

RE: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

[skipper8218]

Okay.

Could you disable Face ID temporarily and just use the passcode?

 

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

Yes, but none that pertain to unlocking the phone.

Donna

 





On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:46 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

 

Okay, can u use the back tap feature to replace some of the newer gestures?

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 10:34 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

Hi Dave,

 

Not Shawn, but I’ll give you my take on this.

 

First, I do like the Home button.  I’ve had Face ID since the 10 came out, so 
I’m used to the gestures, but I still would prefer a home button.

 

As for face ID being faster, that’s not my experience.  With face ID, I can’t 
unlock the phone until it’s in front of my face.  With Touch ID, I could unlock 
it while I was pulling it out of my purse, so by the time it was situated in my 
hand, it was already unlocked.

 

Finally, there are two situations which I encounter on a daily basis in which 
Face ID doesn’t work at all. Face ID is an ordeal when you’re wearing a mask, 
requiring you to pull your mask down before unlocking the phone, which harkens 
back to your point that Face ID is faster.  It’s not faster by the time you 
pull out your phone, pull down your mask, and then unlock the phone.  And I 
think wearing masks is going to be with us for a while, so that’s a great 
argument for Touch ID.  The other issue I have is when I’m in bright sunlight.  
In that situation, the screen washes out, and Face ID doesn’t work at all.  I 
can’t begin to guess how many times I’ve had to contort my body into some weird 
position just to avoid having the lighting wash out my screen.

Cheers,

Donna.






On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Dave Carlson mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Shawn,

What is it about Face ID that you don’t like? Did you have it on your previous 
iPhone? I personally like Face ID as it is so much faster than using Touch ID 
or the passcode. Perhaps it’s the lack of a home button that’s actually your 
reason for your iPhone preference?

 

Dave Carlson

Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer

 

On Sep 19, 2021, at 11:25 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as long 
as I can because I really don't like Face ID.

 

Regards,
Shawn,
Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air

Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email with 
your contact information and the group you wish to join and I'll happily add 
you.

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Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com  






On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I do 
not think it has 5G.
However, those features are not a priority for me.
I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the iPhone 
Mini 12 and 13 are out.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

Hi.

I must say I am very happy with mine too.
When I got it, my original SE was still working well, although I was using IOS 
11 on it. lol

It's very responsive and most times I have no issue with it.
I even enjoy listening to music on it while I work, without any external 
speaker. The sound quality is quite good.

Hope this helps.

Take care,
Tali

On 9/19/21, skipper8...@gmail.com   
mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:




I love the iPhone SE 2020.
It is the same size as the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8.
It is fast though there have been complaints about the battery.
It is the best iPhone I've owned.


-Original Message-
From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >

Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:20 PM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

Hello,

I’ve decided to upgrade from iphone 8 to iphone SE 2nd generation (2020).
My reasons are to do with the touch ID sensor.  Would you 

Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, but none that pertain to unlocking the phone.
Donna


> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:46 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Okay, can u use the back tap feature to replace some of the newer gestures?
>  
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  > 
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 10:34 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>  
> Hi Dave,
>  
> Not Shawn, but I’ll give you my take on this.
>  
> First, I do like the Home button.  I’ve had Face ID since the 10 came out, so 
> I’m used to the gestures, but I still would prefer a home button.
>  
> As for face ID being faster, that’s not my experience.  With face ID, I can’t 
> unlock the phone until it’s in front of my face.  With Touch ID, I could 
> unlock it while I was pulling it out of my purse, so by the time it was 
> situated in my hand, it was already unlocked.
>  
> Finally, there are two situations which I encounter on a daily basis in which 
> Face ID doesn’t work at all. Face ID is an ordeal when you’re wearing a mask, 
> requiring you to pull your mask down before unlocking the phone, which 
> harkens back to your point that Face ID is faster.  It’s not faster by the 
> time you pull out your phone, pull down your mask, and then unlock the phone. 
>  And I think wearing masks is going to be with us for a while, so that’s a 
> great argument for Touch ID.  The other issue I have is when I’m in bright 
> sunlight.  In that situation, the screen washes out, and Face ID doesn’t work 
> at all.  I can’t begin to guess how many times I’ve had to contort my body 
> into some weird position just to avoid having the lighting wash out my screen.
> Cheers,
> Donna.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Dave Carlson > > wrote:
>>  
>> Shawn,
>> What is it about Face ID that you don’t like? Did you have it on your 
>> previous iPhone? I personally like Face ID as it is so much faster than 
>> using Touch ID or the passcode. Perhaps it’s the lack of a home button 
>> that’s actually your reason for your iPhone preference?
>>  
>> Dave Carlson
>> Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
>>  
>> On Sep 19, 2021, at 11:25 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>>  
>> Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as 
>> long as I can because I really don't like Face ID.
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Shawn,
>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
>> 
>> Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
>> Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email 
>> with your contact information and the group you wish to join and I'll 
>> happily add you.
>> 
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM, >> > >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
>>> The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I 
>>> do not think it has 5G.
>>> However, those features are not a priority for me.
>>> I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the 
>>> iPhone Mini 12 and 13 are out.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> >> > On Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> I must say I am very happy with mine too.
>>> When I got it, my original SE was still working well, although I was using 
>>> IOS 11 on it. lol
>>> 
>>> It's very responsive and most times I have no issue with it.
>>> I even enjoy listening to music on it while I work, without any external 
>>> speaker. The sound quality is quite good.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps.
>>> 
>>> Take care,
>>> Tali
>>> 
>>> On 9/19/21, skipper8...@gmail.com  
>>> mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
 I love the iPhone SE 2020.
 It is the same size as the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8.
 It is fast though there have been complaints about the battery.
 It is the best iPhone I've owned.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
 
 Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:20 PM
 To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >>> >
 Subject: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
 
 Hello,
 
 I’ve decided to upgrade from iphone 8 to iphone SE 2nd 

Re: ICloud files appear to be hidden on my Mac.

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Try the keyboard shortcut cmd-shit-i.

Later…


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> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:08 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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Re: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a Mac as a Blind Student

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Yes, I’ve found PDFPen to be totally accessible.  The developer is also very 
receptive to feedback.  I believe that you can go to the PDFPen web-site and 
get a demo prior to forking out the actual purchase price.

Later…


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> On Sep 19, 2021, at 7:52 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> $79 isn’t just not cheap, it’s very expensive for an app. My job deals with 
> PDF’s a lot, and as the blind person in the AT Department, I’m the one that 
> usually has to make them accessible. Would this be worth buying to help in my 
> job? Is this *completely* accessible?
> Devin Prater
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> Https://devinprater.flounder.online 
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>> On Sep 18, 2021, at 3:33 PM, > > > > wrote:
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>> PDFPen
> 
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ICloud files appear to be hidden on my Mac.

[Jessica Moss]

I need to access my documents folder within finder, which I used to know how to 
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Re: iOS 15 Roll-out Today?

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It hasn’t on my end yet, and I heard the same thing as well.

> On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Did I hear that iOS 15 will. Be pushed out on September 20? Has anyone 
> received the download? I’m in Pacific Time Zone.
> 
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Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

[Dave Carlson]

Donna,
Had no idea about the washout. Good point.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Farfar, Woodworker, and Pioneer

On Sep 20, 2021, at 7:34 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi Dave,

Not Shawn, but I’ll give you my take on this.

First, I do like the Home button.  I’ve had Face ID since the 10 came out, so 
I’m used to the gestures, but I still would prefer a home button.

As for face ID being faster, that’s not my experience.  With face ID, I can’t 
unlock the phone until it’s in front of my face.  With Touch ID, I could unlock 
it while I was pulling it out of my purse, so by the time it was situated in my 
hand, it was already unlocked.

Finally, there are two situations which I encounter on a daily basis in which 
Face ID doesn’t work at all. Face ID is an ordeal when you’re wearing a mask, 
requiring you to pull your mask down before unlocking the phone, which harkens 
back to your point that Face ID is faster.  It’s not faster by the time you 
pull out your phone, pull down your mask, and then unlock the phone.  And I 
think wearing masks is going to be with us for a while, so that’s a great 
argument for Touch ID.  The other issue I have is when I’m in bright sunlight.  
In that situation, the screen washes out, and Face ID doesn’t work at all.  I 
can’t begin to guess how many times I’ve had to contort my body into some weird 
position just to avoid having the lighting wash out my screen.
Cheers,
Donna.

> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Dave Carlson  > wrote:
> 
> Shawn,
> What is it about Face ID that you don’t like? Did you have it on your 
> previous iPhone? I personally like Face ID as it is so much faster than using 
> Touch ID or the passcode. Perhaps it’s the lack of a home button that’s 
> actually your reason for your iPhone preference?
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
> 
> On Sep 19, 2021, at 11:25 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as 
> long as I can because I really don't like Face ID.
> 
> Regards,
> Shawn,
> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
> 
> Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
> Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email with 
> your contact information and the group you wish to join and I'll happily add 
> you.
> 
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM, > > > > wrote:
>> 
>> The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
>> The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I 
>> do not think it has 5G.
>> However, those features are not a priority for me.
>> I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the iPhone 
>> Mini 12 and 13 are out.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  > > On Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky
>> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> I must say I am very happy with mine too.
>> When I got it, my original SE was still working well, although I was using 
>> IOS 11 on it. lol
>> 
>> It's very responsive and most times I have no issue with it.
>> I even enjoy listening to music on it while I work, without any external 
>> speaker. The sound quality is quite good.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> Tali
>> 
>> On 9/19/21, skipper8...@gmail.com  
>> mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> I love the iPhone SE 2020.
>>> It is the same size as the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8.
>>> It is fast though there have been complaints about the battery.
>>> It is the best iPhone I've owned.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>>> 
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:20 PM
>>> To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >> >
>>> Subject: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I’ve decided to upgrade from iphone 8 to iphone SE 2nd generation (2020).
>>> My reasons are to do with the touch ID sensor.  Would you be happy to 
>>> share your views/opinions on this iphone with me?
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>> 
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RE: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

[skipper8218]

Okay, can u use the back tap feature to replace some of the newer gestures?

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 10:34 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

Hi Dave,

 

Not Shawn, but I’ll give you my take on this.

 

First, I do like the Home button.  I’ve had Face ID since the 10 came out, so 
I’m used to the gestures, but I still would prefer a home button.

 

As for face ID being faster, that’s not my experience.  With face ID, I can’t 
unlock the phone until it’s in front of my face.  With Touch ID, I could unlock 
it while I was pulling it out of my purse, so by the time it was situated in my 
hand, it was already unlocked.

 

Finally, there are two situations which I encounter on a daily basis in which 
Face ID doesn’t work at all. Face ID is an ordeal when you’re wearing a mask, 
requiring you to pull your mask down before unlocking the phone, which harkens 
back to your point that Face ID is faster.  It’s not faster by the time you 
pull out your phone, pull down your mask, and then unlock the phone.  And I 
think wearing masks is going to be with us for a while, so that’s a great 
argument for Touch ID.  The other issue I have is when I’m in bright sunlight.  
In that situation, the screen washes out, and Face ID doesn’t work at all.  I 
can’t begin to guess how many times I’ve had to contort my body into some weird 
position just to avoid having the lighting wash out my screen.

Cheers,

Donna.





On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Dave Carlson mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Shawn,

What is it about Face ID that you don’t like? Did you have it on your previous 
iPhone? I personally like Face ID as it is so much faster than using Touch ID 
or the passcode. Perhaps it’s the lack of a home button that’s actually your 
reason for your iPhone preference?

 

Dave Carlson

Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer

 

On Sep 19, 2021, at 11:25 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as long 
as I can because I really don't like Face ID.

 

Regards,
Shawn,
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On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I do 
not think it has 5G.
However, those features are not a priority for me.
I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the iPhone 
Mini 12 and 13 are out.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

Hi.

I must say I am very happy with mine too.
When I got it, my original SE was still working well, although I was using IOS 
11 on it. lol

It's very responsive and most times I have no issue with it.
I even enjoy listening to music on it while I work, without any external 
speaker. The sound quality is quite good.

Hope this helps.

Take care,
Tali

On 9/19/21, skipper8...@gmail.com   
mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:



I love the iPhone SE 2020.
It is the same size as the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8.
It is fast though there have been complaints about the battery.
It is the best iPhone I've owned.


-Original Message-
From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >

Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:20 PM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

Hello,

I’ve decided to upgrade from iphone 8 to iphone SE 2nd generation (2020).
My reasons are to do with the touch ID sensor.  Would you be happy to 
share your views/opinions on this iphone with me?

Andrew

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Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Dave,

Not Shawn, but I’ll give you my take on this.

First, I do like the Home button.  I’ve had Face ID since the 10 came out, so 
I’m used to the gestures, but I still would prefer a home button.

As for face ID being faster, that’s not my experience.  With face ID, I can’t 
unlock the phone until it’s in front of my face.  With Touch ID, I could unlock 
it while I was pulling it out of my purse, so by the time it was situated in my 
hand, it was already unlocked.

Finally, there are two situations which I encounter on a daily basis in which 
Face ID doesn’t work at all. Face ID is an ordeal when you’re wearing a mask, 
requiring you to pull your mask down before unlocking the phone, which harkens 
back to your point that Face ID is faster.  It’s not faster by the time you 
pull out your phone, pull down your mask, and then unlock the phone.  And I 
think wearing masks is going to be with us for a while, so that’s a great 
argument for Touch ID.  The other issue I have is when I’m in bright sunlight.  
In that situation, the screen washes out, and Face ID doesn’t work at all.  I 
can’t begin to guess how many times I’ve had to contort my body into some weird 
position just to avoid having the lighting wash out my screen.
Cheers,
Donna.

> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Shawn,
> What is it about Face ID that you don’t like? Did you have it on your 
> previous iPhone? I personally like Face ID as it is so much faster than using 
> Touch ID or the passcode. Perhaps it’s the lack of a home button that’s 
> actually your reason for your iPhone preference?
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
> 
> On Sep 19, 2021, at 11:25 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as 
> long as I can because I really don't like Face ID.
> 
> Regards,
> Shawn,
> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
> 
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> 
>> On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM, > > > > wrote:
>> 
>> The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
>> The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I 
>> do not think it has 5G.
>> However, those features are not a priority for me.
>> I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the iPhone 
>> Mini 12 and 13 are out.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  > > On Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky
>> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> I must say I am very happy with mine too.
>> When I got it, my original SE was still working well, although I was using 
>> IOS 11 on it. lol
>> 
>> It's very responsive and most times I have no issue with it.
>> I even enjoy listening to music on it while I work, without any external 
>> speaker. The sound quality is quite good.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> Tali
>> 
>> On 9/19/21, skipper8...@gmail.com  
>> mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> I love the iPhone SE 2020.
>>> It is the same size as the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8.
>>> It is fast though there have been complaints about the battery.
>>> It is the best iPhone I've owned.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>>> 
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:20 PM
>>> To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >> >
>>> Subject: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I’ve decided to upgrade from iphone 8 to iphone SE 2nd generation (2020).
>>> My reasons are to do with the touch ID sensor.  Would you be happy to 
>>> share your views/opinions on this iphone with me?
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>> 
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iOS 15 Roll-out Today?

[Dave Carlson]

Did I hear that iOS 15 will. Be pushed out on September 20? Has anyone received 
the download? I’m in Pacific Time Zone.

Dave Carlson
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Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

[Dave Carlson]

Shawn,
What is it about Face ID that you don’t like? Did you have it on your previous 
iPhone? I personally like Face ID as it is so much faster than using Touch ID 
or the passcode. Perhaps it’s the lack of a home button that’s actually your 
reason for your iPhone preference?

Dave Carlson
Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer

On Sep 19, 2021, at 11:25 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as long 
as I can because I really don't like Face ID.

Regards,
Shawn,
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> On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM,  >  > wrote:
> 
> The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
> The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I do 
> not think it has 5G.
> However, those features are not a priority for me.
> I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the iPhone 
> Mini 12 and 13 are out.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>   > On Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky
> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I must say I am very happy with mine too.
> When I got it, my original SE was still working well, although I was using 
> IOS 11 on it. lol
> 
> It's very responsive and most times I have no issue with it.
> I even enjoy listening to music on it while I work, without any external 
> speaker. The sound quality is quite good.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Take care,
> Tali
> 
> On 9/19/21, skipper8...@gmail.com  
> mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> I love the iPhone SE 2020.
>> It is the same size as the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8.
>> It is fast though there have been complaints about the battery.
>> It is the best iPhone I've owned.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>> 
>> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:20 PM
>> To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries > >
>> Subject: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I’ve decided to upgrade from iphone 8 to iphone SE 2nd generation (2020).
>> My reasons are to do with the touch ID sensor.  Would you be happy to 
>> share your views/opinions on this iphone with me?
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
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RE: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

[skipper8218]

Makes sense, but I am buying unlocked phones so I do not have the same type of 
incentives that you do.

I know some people do AT for a living so having the latest phone can be an 
essential part of the business.

 

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 9:36 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

The other thing for me is that upgrading is kind of the gift that keeps on 
giving.  I really do get a crazy good price on a new phone from my employer.  
Part of that is based on trading in my old phone.  So, this year, for example, 
I’ll get much more for trading in a 12 than I would for trading in an 11 or an 
SE, which in turn, reduces the price on the new phone.  So staying with the 
current model pays off.

Cheers,

Donna

 





On Sep 20, 2021, at 8:29 AM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Good point about the OCR and other apps that use artificial intelligence and 
the neural engine.

I have not noticed any significant lag when VoiceOver tries to describe images 
in apps using the SE 2020 IN IOS 14.

I’d consider the Mini iPhones if it had touch ID.

That is more important to me than power since I have a M1 mac and a Windows PC 
capable of scanning documents.

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 9:24 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

I think this is very much a question of personal preference.  I understand what 
you’re saying, but I like my devices to run fast.  Patience is not one of my 
greatest virtues.  So, is there any app that wouldn’t run on the SE?  Probably 
not.  Will those apps run faster on a 13 mini?  Undoubtedly.  And personally, 
that’s something I care about.  Not saying everyone has to care about that, but 
I do.  Also, as Apple does more with screen recognition, AI, and spatial audio, 
the more powerful phones will be able to make better use of those features.

Cheers,

Donna

 

On Sep 20, 2021, at 8:05 AM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Why do you feel you need the extra power?

I find the SE very responsive, and sometimes users do not need the latest 
phones to accomplish the tasks they need.

Is there an app that you can’t run on the SE?

Apple is like any other company in that they can’t produce something new every 
year that no one has seen before.

Sometimes, it is just upgrades.

There is nothing wrong with that, but it is a good idea to pause and ask 
yourself if this is really something worth buying based on your own needs.

The older iPad 5th generation was something new that I had not used before, and 
I wanted something with better sound quality.

 

 

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 7:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

I have to say that my biggest disappointment in Apple’s presentation last week 
was that the new phones won’t have touch ID.  I have the 12 mini, and I’ll 
probably upgrade to the 13 mini, but only because I get a good upgrade price 
through my employer.  Were it not for that, I’d probably not upgrade.  I just 
can’t justify switching to the SE, because it’s got so much less power than the 
other phones.

Cheers,

Donna

Sent from my iPad







On Sep 20, 2021, at 1:25 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as long 
as I can because I really don't like Face ID.

 

Regards,
Shawn,
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On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I do 
not think it has 5G.
However, those features are not a priority for me.
I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the iPhone 
Mini 12 and 13 are out.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

The other thing for me is that upgrading is kind of the gift that keeps on 
giving.  I really do get a crazy good price on a new phone from my employer.  
Part of that is based on trading in my old phone.  So, this year, for example, 
I’ll get much more for trading in a 12 than I would for trading in an 11 or an 
SE, which in turn, reduces the price on the new phone.  So staying with the 
current model pays off.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Sep 20, 2021, at 8:29 AM,   
> wrote:
> 
> Good point about the OCR and other apps that use artificial intelligence and 
> the neural engine.
> I have not noticed any significant lag when VoiceOver tries to describe 
> images in apps using the SE 2020 IN IOS 14.
> I’d consider the Mini iPhones if it had touch ID.
> That is more important to me than power since I have a M1 mac and a Windows 
> PC capable of scanning documents.
>  
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  > 
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 9:24 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>  
> I think this is very much a question of personal preference.  I understand 
> what you’re saying, but I like my devices to run fast.  Patience is not one 
> of my greatest virtues.  So, is there any app that wouldn’t run on the SE?  
> Probably not.  Will those apps run faster on a 13 mini?  Undoubtedly.  And 
> personally, that’s something I care about.  Not saying everyone has to care 
> about that, but I do.  Also, as Apple does more with screen recognition, AI, 
> and spatial audio, the more powerful phones will be able to make better use 
> of those features.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>  
>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 8:05 AM, > > > > wrote:
>>  
>> Why do you feel you need the extra power?
>> I find the SE very responsive, and sometimes users do not need the latest 
>> phones to accomplish the tasks they need.
>> Is there an app that you can’t run on the SE?
>> Apple is like any other company in that they can’t produce something new 
>> every year that no one has seen before.
>> Sometimes, it is just upgrades.
>> There is nothing wrong with that, but it is a good idea to pause and ask 
>> yourself if this is really something worth buying based on your own needs.
>> The older iPad 5th generation was something new that I had not used before, 
>> and I wanted something with better sound quality.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > > 
>> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 7:57 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>>  
>> I have to say that my biggest disappointment in Apple’s presentation last 
>> week was that the new phones won’t have touch ID.  I have the 12 mini, and 
>> I’ll probably upgrade to the 13 mini, but only because I get a good upgrade 
>> price through my employer.  Were it not for that, I’d probably not upgrade.  
>> I just can’t justify switching to the SE, because it’s got so much less 
>> power than the other phones.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 1:25 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as 
>>> long as I can because I really don't like Face ID.
>>>  
>>> Regards,
>>> Shawn,
>>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
>>> 
>>> Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
>>> Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email 
>>> with your contact information and the group you wish to join and I'll 
>>> happily add you.
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>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM, >>> > >>> > wrote:
  
 The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
 The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I 
 do not think it has 5G.
 However, those features are not a priority for me.
 I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the 
 iPhone Mini 12 and 13 are out.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 > On Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky
 Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
 
 Hi.
 
 I must say I am very happy with mine too.
 When I got it, 

RE: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

[skipper8218]

Good point about the OCR and other apps that use artificial intelligence and 
the neural engine.

I have not noticed any significant lag when VoiceOver tries to describe images 
in apps using the SE 2020 IN IOS 14.

I’d consider the Mini iPhones if it had touch ID.

That is more important to me than power since I have a M1 mac and a Windows PC 
capable of scanning documents.

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 9:24 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

I think this is very much a question of personal preference.  I understand what 
you’re saying, but I like my devices to run fast.  Patience is not one of my 
greatest virtues.  So, is there any app that wouldn’t run on the SE?  Probably 
not.  Will those apps run faster on a 13 mini?  Undoubtedly.  And personally, 
that’s something I care about.  Not saying everyone has to care about that, but 
I do.  Also, as Apple does more with screen recognition, AI, and spatial audio, 
the more powerful phones will be able to make better use of those features.

Cheers,

Donna

 

On Sep 20, 2021, at 8:05 AM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Why do you feel you need the extra power?

I find the SE very responsive, and sometimes users do not need the latest 
phones to accomplish the tasks they need.

Is there an app that you can’t run on the SE?

Apple is like any other company in that they can’t produce something new every 
year that no one has seen before.

Sometimes, it is just upgrades.

There is nothing wrong with that, but it is a good idea to pause and ask 
yourself if this is really something worth buying based on your own needs.

The older iPad 5th generation was something new that I had not used before, and 
I wanted something with better sound quality.

 

 

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 7:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

I have to say that my biggest disappointment in Apple’s presentation last week 
was that the new phones won’t have touch ID.  I have the 12 mini, and I’ll 
probably upgrade to the 13 mini, but only because I get a good upgrade price 
through my employer.  Were it not for that, I’d probably not upgrade.  I just 
can’t justify switching to the SE, because it’s got so much less power than the 
other phones.

Cheers,

Donna

Sent from my iPad






On Sep 20, 2021, at 1:25 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as long 
as I can because I really don't like Face ID.

 

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Shawn,
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On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I do 
not think it has 5G.
However, those features are not a priority for me.
I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the iPhone 
Mini 12 and 13 are out.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

Hi.

I must say I am very happy with mine too.
When I got it, my original SE was still working well, although I was using IOS 
11 on it. lol

It's very responsive and most times I have no issue with it.
I even enjoy listening to music on it while I work, without any external 
speaker. The sound quality is quite good.

Hope this helps.

Take care,
Tali

On 9/19/21, skipper8...@gmail.com   
mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:




I love the iPhone SE 2020.
It is the same size as the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8.
It is fast though there have been complaints about the battery.
It is the best iPhone I've owned.


-Original Message-
From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >

Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:20 PM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

Hello,

I’ve decided to upgrade 

Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I think this is very much a question of personal preference.  I understand what 
you’re saying, but I like my devices to run fast.  Patience is not one of my 
greatest virtues.  So, is there any app that wouldn’t run on the SE?  Probably 
not.  Will those apps run faster on a 13 mini?  Undoubtedly.  And personally, 
that’s something I care about.  Not saying everyone has to care about that, but 
I do.  Also, as Apple does more with screen recognition, AI, and spatial audio, 
the more powerful phones will be able to make better use of those features.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Sep 20, 2021, at 8:05 AM,   
> wrote:
> 
> Why do you feel you need the extra power?
> I find the SE very responsive, and sometimes users do not need the latest 
> phones to accomplish the tasks they need.
> Is there an app that you can’t run on the SE?
> Apple is like any other company in that they can’t produce something new 
> every year that no one has seen before.
> Sometimes, it is just upgrades.
> There is nothing wrong with that, but it is a good idea to pause and ask 
> yourself if this is really something worth buying based on your own needs.
> The older iPad 5th generation was something new that I had not used before, 
> and I wanted something with better sound quality.
>  
>  
>  
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  > 
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 7:57 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>  
> I have to say that my biggest disappointment in Apple’s presentation last 
> week was that the new phones won’t have touch ID.  I have the 12 mini, and 
> I’ll probably upgrade to the 13 mini, but only because I get a good upgrade 
> price through my employer.  Were it not for that, I’d probably not upgrade.  
> I just can’t justify switching to the SE, because it’s got so much less power 
> than the other phones.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 1:25 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as 
>> long as I can because I really don't like Face ID.
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Shawn,
>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM, >> > >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
>>> The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I 
>>> do not think it has 5G.
>>> However, those features are not a priority for me.
>>> I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the 
>>> iPhone Mini 12 and 13 are out.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> >> > On Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> I must say I am very happy with mine too.
>>> When I got it, my original SE was still working well, although I was using 
>>> IOS 11 on it. lol
>>> 
>>> It's very responsive and most times I have no issue with it.
>>> I even enjoy listening to music on it while I work, without any external 
>>> speaker. The sound quality is quite good.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps.
>>> 
>>> Take care,
>>> Tali
>>> 
>>> On 9/19/21, skipper8...@gmail.com  
>>> mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
 I love the iPhone SE 2020.
 It is the same size as the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8.
 It is fast though there have been complaints about the battery.
 It is the best iPhone I've owned.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
 
 Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:20 PM
 To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >>> >
 Subject: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
 
 Hello,
 
 I’ve decided to upgrade from iphone 8 to iphone SE 2nd generation (2020).
 My reasons are to do with the touch ID sensor.  Would you be happy to 
 share your views/opinions on this iphone with me?
 
 Andrew
 
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RE: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

[skipper8218]

Why do you feel you need the extra power?

I find the SE very responsive, and sometimes users do not need the latest 
phones to accomplish the tasks they need.

Is there an app that you can’t run on the SE?

Apple is like any other company in that they can’t produce something new every 
year that no one has seen before.

Sometimes, it is just upgrades.

There is nothing wrong with that, but it is a good idea to pause and ask 
yourself if this is really something worth buying based on your own needs.

The older iPad 5th generation was something new that I had not used before, and 
I wanted something with better sound quality.

 

 

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 7:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

 

I have to say that my biggest disappointment in Apple’s presentation last week 
was that the new phones won’t have touch ID.  I have the 12 mini, and I’ll 
probably upgrade to the 13 mini, but only because I get a good upgrade price 
through my employer.  Were it not for that, I’d probably not upgrade.  I just 
can’t justify switching to the SE, because it’s got so much less power than the 
other phones.

Cheers,

Donna

Sent from my iPad





On Sep 20, 2021, at 1:25 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as long 
as I can because I really don't like Face ID.

 

Regards,
Shawn,
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On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I do 
not think it has 5G.
However, those features are not a priority for me.
I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the iPhone 
Mini 12 and 13 are out.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

Hi.

I must say I am very happy with mine too.
When I got it, my original SE was still working well, although I was using IOS 
11 on it. lol

It's very responsive and most times I have no issue with it.
I even enjoy listening to music on it while I work, without any external 
speaker. The sound quality is quite good.

Hope this helps.

Take care,
Tali

On 9/19/21, skipper8...@gmail.com   
mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:



I love the iPhone SE 2020.
It is the same size as the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8.
It is fast though there have been complaints about the battery.
It is the best iPhone I've owned.


-Original Message-
From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >

Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:20 PM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

Hello,

I’ve decided to upgrade from iphone 8 to iphone SE 2nd generation (2020).
My reasons are to do with the touch ID sensor.  Would you be happy to 
share your views/opinions on this iphone with me?

Andrew

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Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I have to say that my biggest disappointment in Apple’s presentation last week 
was that the new phones won’t have touch ID.  I have the 12 mini, and I’ll 
probably upgrade to the 13 mini, but only because I get a good upgrade price 
through my employer.  Were it not for that, I’d probably not upgrade.  I just 
can’t justify switching to the SE, because it’s got so much less power than the 
other phones.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 20, 2021, at 1:25 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as 
> long as I can because I really don't like Face ID.
> 
> Regards,
> Shawn,
> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
> 
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>> On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM,   
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
>> The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I 
>> do not think it has 5G.
>> However, those features are not a priority for me.
>> I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the iPhone 
>> Mini 12 and 13 are out.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky
>> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> I must say I am very happy with mine too.
>> When I got it, my original SE was still working well, although I was using 
>> IOS 11 on it. lol
>> 
>> It's very responsive and most times I have no issue with it.
>> I even enjoy listening to music on it while I work, without any external 
>> speaker. The sound quality is quite good.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> Tali
>> 
>>> On 9/19/21, skipper8...@gmail.com  wrote:
>>> I love the iPhone SE 2020.
>>> It is the same size as the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8.
>>> It is fast though there have been complaints about the battery.
>>> It is the best iPhone I've owned.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:20 PM
>>> To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>> Subject: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I’ve decided to upgrade from iphone 8 to iphone SE 2nd generation (2020).
>>> My reasons are to do with the touch ID sensor.  Would you be happy to 
>>> share your views/opinions on this iphone with me?
>>> 
>>> Andrew
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['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as long 
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> On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM,   
> wrote:
> 
> The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
> The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I do 
> not think it has 5G.
> However, those features are not a priority for me.
> I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the iPhone 
> Mini 12 and 13 are out.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky
> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I must say I am very happy with mine too.
> When I got it, my original SE was still working well, although I was using 
> IOS 11 on it. lol
> 
> It's very responsive and most times I have no issue with it.
> I even enjoy listening to music on it while I work, without any external 
> speaker. The sound quality is quite good.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Take care,
> Tali
> 
> On 9/19/21, skipper8...@gmail.com  wrote:
>> I love the iPhone SE 2020.
>> It is the same size as the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8.
>> It is fast though there have been complaints about the battery.
>> It is the best iPhone I've owned.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:20 PM
>> To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I’ve decided to upgrade from iphone 8 to iphone SE 2nd generation (2020).
>> My reasons are to do with the touch ID sensor.  Would you be happy to 
>> share your views/opinions on this iphone with me?
>> 
>> Andrew
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