Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac

[Muhammad Fayed]

This single message includes a reply for each of you:
Tim, and Andrew, that sounds good.

Rebecca, for windows, the issue mainly in ARM. Windows is optimized for X86. 
Otherwise, if we compare windows on MBP vs windows on other device like Dell 
XPS for example, the difference is due to other factors than the OS itself. 
Windows is designed to work on a large set of devices, so it won’t be optimized 
for specific device on specific workload. But the Mac is optimized for specific 
hardware. That makes Mac faster on its hardware compared to windows assuming 
that heat is not an issue. That’s from a software engineering point of view.
What makes Mac devices sucks, or so said, with Windows is that Apple prefer 
making smaller and cooler and more compact case for their devices. Windows on 
the other hand consumes more energy thus generate more heat in small case 
resulting in throttling issues.

Personally, I prefer not to use Windows on Apple Macbook series because of 
overheated keyboard.

I don’t know about the user experience of windows compared to Mac according to 
fluidity when we have the exact specifications, but with case designed for 
wincows and Mac respectively.

Jason and Yuma, Good luck with your new devices. I wish you great experience 
with them. 😊 I’ll wait for your reviews when you have them. 

Jason, what do you mean exactly with that news about Linux? Do you mean that I 
will able to run ubuntu directly on M1 without natively without virtualization? 
If yes, it would be great news. 

Thank you all so much for your replies, it is truly appreciated. 😊 







> On 23 Oct 2021, at 1:12 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> I dsiagree. While I primarily use the mac, it has also been my best Window’s 
> machine.
> 
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2021, at 13:05, Rebecca Skipper > > wrote:
>> 
>> Well,
>> Some people still want to install windows on a Mac machine, but I agree with 
>> David Woodbridge.
>> It is best to use operating systems in their native environments.
>>  
>> From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries > > 
>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 2:04 PM
>> To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries > >
>> Subject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac
>>  
>> I certainly find macbook air with silicon chip is far superior to the intel 
>> based ones. Much faster & more responsive.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 22 Oct 2021, at 00:34, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> I should be able to comment some time in November, assuming that the 
>>> 14-inch MacBook Pro that I ordered this week is delivered as scheduled.
>>>  
>>> I’m upgrading from a late 2013 model 13-inch MacBook Pro.
>>>  
>>> What I’ve heard (for example, in podcasts by David Woodbridge) is that the 
>>> performance of VoiceOver is superior with the new hardware architecture, 
>>> with fewer “busy” messages, for instance.
>>>  
>>> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >> >
>>> Date: Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 12:23
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  >> >
>>> Subject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>>  
>>> I definitely have experience with Apple Silicon both on my MacBook Pro with 
>>> M1 and on iMac.  It is difficult to specifically compare with Intel I9 
>>> processor models,, as I’ve never used one with those specs.  I can tell you 
>>> though that using an Intel MacBook Air 2020 in comparison to my MBP is a 
>>> big improvement in performance.  Most “Busy” things that happen to me are 
>>> because I tend to be impatient with key strokes on on the web.  I’ll press 
>>> on a link, then start attempting to move around the screen with VO.  That’s 
>>> when it goes busy.  If I just wait for the link to load, then navigate, 
>>> then life is better.
>>>  
>>> Later…
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 21, 2021, at 8:36 AM, Muhammad Fayed >>> > wrote:
  
 My question is general I think it would be best to reply based on whatever 
 experiences users have.
 
 For example, I want M1/M1Pro/M1Max vs latest intel i9 processor on a 
 MacBook Pro.
 
 If the generations are older then it would make more sense to consider 
 Apple silicon vs 2019 16” model, 2016 15” and maybe 2012 model, whatever 
 the sizes then.
 
 I think that would make more sense.
 
 Personally, I have MBP 2016 15” with 2133MHz RAM. I work in the office  on 
 iMac 2020 27” with core I5 the base model, 3.1GHz 6 core i5 with 2666MHz 
 RAM. The Latter feel snappier in usage, but not with large m

Re: Question re Zoom and AirPods Pro

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hey, Tim,

I realized this morning how very back-logged I am responding to email.  I just 
wanted to say thanks for this.  I will give it a go the next time I’m trying to 
use Zoom with my AirPods.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Oct 11, 2021, at 5:51 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> By default, Zoom will go to “Same as System” for both the mic audio in and 
> audio out signals, unless you’ve previously set otherwise.  On the main Zoom 
> screen, you should find an “Audio Options” menu button.  Vo-space on that and 
> you can specifically choose your input and output devices.  If the AirPods 
> are not being chose automatically, then choose them from this menu.
> 
> I’ve found, like Jonathan mentioned, that things sound much better if the 
> AirPods are not both input and output.  There’s nothing inherently wrong with 
> the configuration, it just doesn’t sound as good.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Oct 11, 2021, at 2:34 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Brad,
>> 
>> Sounds like a good plan.  Like I said, I was in a hurry, and since I’d used 
>> chorded headphones before with no issues, I didn’t really give too much 
>> thought to the order of things.  But I will pay more attention next time.  
>> I’m just relieved to know this isn’t an unresolvable issue.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 11, 2021, at 3:02 PM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have experienced similar Zoom issues when changing audio devices.
>>> I suggest you first insert your AirPods, or whatever headset or audio 
>>> device you wish to use with Zoom, then open Zoom preferences (CMD + comma), 
>>> select Audio from the categories table, and then make sure your desired 
>>> device is selected for both output and input.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 11, 2021, at 14:51, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don’t remember.  I was late for the meeting, so I did everything very 
>>> quickly.  I’m glad to hear it worked for you.  Next time, I’ll make sure I 
>>> connect the AirPods first.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 11, 2021, at 2:34 PM, josephlho...@gmail.com 
  wrote:
 
 By chance did you connect to zoom then connect the airpods? I haven’t done 
 this in a while but I had to connect the airpods first then launch the 
 zoom meeting and it worked fine.
  
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  >>> > On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
 Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 3:29 PM
 To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >>> >
 Subject: Re: Question re Zoom and AirPods Pro
  
  I believe I heard that if you put the microphone input to the Mac instead 
 of the bluetooth headphones, that sound output works better. Something 
 about phone vs audio bluetooth profiles if I remember correctly.
 HTH!
 Jonathan Cohn
 
 
 
 
> On Oct 11, 2021, at 15:10, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
>  
> Hi all,
> 
> I just tried to use my AirPods Pro for a Zoom meeting.  When they 
> connected, Voiceover came through the AirPods, but the content of the 
> Zoom meeting came out the speaker of my MBA.  I use hard-wired headphones 
> all the time in Zoom and have never had this issue.  Does anyone know of 
> a way to use AirPods in a Zoom meeting and have all the audio come 
> through the headphones?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
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Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, it does entail that you should at some point be able to install and run Linux on M1 hardware without virtualization.https://asahilinux.org/about/ From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Muhammad Fayed Date: Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 10:12To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on MacThis single message includes a reply for each of you:Tim, and Andrew, that sounds good. Rebecca, for windows, the issue mainly in ARM. Windows is optimized for X86. Otherwise, if we compare windows on MBP vs windows on other device like Dell XPS for example, the difference is due to other factors than the OS itself. Windows is designed to work on a large set of devices, so it won’t be optimized for specific device on specific workload. But the Mac is optimized for specific hardware. That makes Mac faster on its hardware compared to windows assuming that heat is not an issue. That’s from a software engineering point of view.What makes Mac devices sucks, or so said, with Windows is that Apple prefer making smaller and cooler and more compact case for their devices. Windows on the other hand consumes more energy thus generate more heat in small case resulting in throttling issues. Personally, I prefer not to use Windows on Apple Macbook series because of overheated keyboard. I don’t know about the user experience of windows compared to Mac according to fluidity when we have the exact specifications, but with case designed for wincows and Mac respectively. Jason and Yuma, Good luck with your new devices. I wish you great experience with them. 😊 I’ll wait for your reviews when you have them.  Jason, what do you mean exactly with that news about Linux? Do you mean that I will able to run ubuntu directly on M1 without natively without virtualization? If yes, it would be great news.  Thank you all so much for your replies, it is truly appreciated. 😊   On 23 Oct 2021, at 1:12 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote: I dsiagree. While I primarily use the mac, it has also been my best Window’s machine. On Oct 22, 2021, at 13:05, Rebecca Skipper  wrote: Well,Some people still want to install windows on a Mac machine, but I agree with David Woodbridge.It is best to use operating systems in their native environments. From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries  Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 2:04 PMTo: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries Subject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac I certainly find macbook air with silicon chip is far superior to the intel based ones. Much faster & more responsive. On 22 Oct 2021, at 00:34, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  wrote: I should be able to comment some time in November, assuming that the 14-inch MacBook Pro that I ordered this week is delivered as scheduled. I’m upgrading from a late 2013 model 13-inch MacBook Pro. What I’ve heard (for example, in podcasts by David Woodbridge) is that the performance of VoiceOver is superior with the new hardware architecture, with fewer “busy” messages, for instance. From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries Date: Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 12:23To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on MacHi, I definitely have experience with Apple Silicon both on my MacBook Pro with M1 and on iMac.  It is difficult to specifically compare with Intel I9 processor models,, as I’ve never used one with those specs.  I can tell you though that using an Intel MacBook Air 2020 in comparison to my MBP is a big improvement in performance.  Most “Busy” things that happen to me are because I tend to be impatient with key strokes on on the web.  I’ll press on a link, then start attempting to move around the screen with VO.  That’s when it goes busy.  If I just wait for the link to load, then navigate, then life is better. Later… Tim KilburnJamf Certified TechApple Professional Learning SpecialistApple Teacher(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)Fort McMurray, AB CanadaOn Oct 21, 2021, at 8:36 AM, Muhammad Fayed  wrote: My question is general I think it would be best to reply based on whatever experiences users have.For example, I want M1/M1Pro/M1Max vs latest intel i9 processor on a MacBook Pro.If the generations are older then it would make more sense to consider Apple silicon vs 2019 16” model, 2016 15” and maybe 2012 model, whatever the sizes then.I think that would make more sense.Personally, I have MBP 2016 15” with 2133MHz RAM. I work in the office  on iMac 2020 27” with core I5 the base model, 3.1GHz 6 core i5 with 2666MHz RAM. The Latter feel snappier in usage, but not with large margin although I have migrated my data from MBP to iMac and both have the same 512GB storage. The storage in iMac may be much faster. I don’t know