This single message includes a reply for each of you: Tim, and Andrew, that sounds good.
Rebecca, for windows, the issue mainly in ARM. Windows is optimized for X86. Otherwise, if we compare windows on MBP vs windows on other device like Dell XPS for example, the difference is due to other factors than the OS itself. Windows is designed to work on a large set of devices, so it won’t be optimized for specific device on specific workload. But the Mac is optimized for specific hardware. That makes Mac faster on its hardware compared to windows assuming that heat is not an issue. That’s from a software engineering point of view. What makes Mac devices sucks, or so said, with Windows is that Apple prefer making smaller and cooler and more compact case for their devices. Windows on the other hand consumes more energy thus generate more heat in small case resulting in throttling issues. Personally, I prefer not to use Windows on Apple Macbook series because of overheated keyboard. I don’t know about the user experience of windows compared to Mac according to fluidity when we have the exact specifications, but with case designed for wincows and Mac respectively. Jason and Yuma, Good luck with your new devices. I wish you great experience with them. 😊 I’ll wait for your reviews when you have them. Jason, what do you mean exactly with that news about Linux? Do you mean that I will able to run ubuntu directly on M1 without natively without virtualization? If yes, it would be great news. Thank you all so much for your replies, it is truly appreciated. 😊 > On 23 Oct 2021, at 1:12 AM, Herbie Allen <herbie.al...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I dsiagree. While I primarily use the mac, it has also been my best Window’s > machine. > > >> On Oct 22, 2021, at 13:05, Rebecca Skipper <skipper8...@gmail.com >> <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Well, >> Some people still want to install windows on a Mac machine, but I agree with >> David Woodbridge. >> It is best to use operating systems in their native environments. >> >> From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 2:04 PM >> To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >> Subject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac >> >> I certainly find macbook air with silicon chip is far superior to the intel >> based ones. Much faster & more responsive. >> >> >>> On 22 Oct 2021, at 00:34, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries >>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I should be able to comment some time in November, assuming that the >>> 14-inch MacBook Pro that I ordered this week is delivered as scheduled. >>> >>> I’m upgrading from a late 2013 model 13-inch MacBook Pro. >>> >>> What I’ve heard (for example, in podcasts by David Woodbridge) is that the >>> performance of VoiceOver is superior with the new hardware architecture, >>> with fewer “busy” messages, for instance. >>> >>> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>> Date: Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 12:23 >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>> Subject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I definitely have experience with Apple Silicon both on my MacBook Pro with >>> M1 and on iMac. It is difficult to specifically compare with Intel I9 >>> processor models,, as I’ve never used one with those specs. I can tell you >>> though that using an Intel MacBook Air 2020 in comparison to my MBP is a >>> big improvement in performance. Most “Busy” things that happen to me are >>> because I tend to be impatient with key strokes on on the web. I’ll press >>> on a link, then start attempting to move around the screen with VO. That’s >>> when it goes busy. If I just wait for the link to load, then navigate, >>> then life is better. >>> >>> Later… >>> >>> >>> Tim Kilburn >>> Jamf Certified Tech >>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist >>> Apple Teacher >>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Oct 21, 2021, at 8:36 AM, Muhammad Fayed <m10fa...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:m10fa...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> My question is general I think it would be best to reply based on whatever >>>> experiences users have. >>>> >>>> For example, I want M1/M1Pro/M1Max vs latest intel i9 processor on a >>>> MacBook Pro. >>>> >>>> If the generations are older then it would make more sense to consider >>>> Apple silicon vs 2019 16” model, 2016 15” and maybe 2012 model, whatever >>>> the sizes then. >>>> >>>> I think that would make more sense. >>>> >>>> Personally, I have MBP 2016 15” with 2133MHz RAM. I work in the office on >>>> iMac 2020 27” with core I5 the base model, 3.1GHz 6 core i5 with 2666MHz >>>> RAM. The Latter feel snappier in usage, but not with large margin although >>>> I have migrated my data from MBP to iMac and both have the same 512GB >>>> storage. The storage in iMac may be much faster. I don’t know exact >>>> details. >>>> >>>> In regards to specifications, Apple silicon in every way regarding >>>> specifications. I just want to know whether it makes a difference in >>>> Voiceover user or not and which makes the most difference. >>>> >>>> I’m not thinking of getting a new Mac for now because of budget, but I >>>> have interest to answer these questions. >>>> >>>> I may just go to Apple reseller in my city and try devices out. I think >>>> that may be the answer to my inquiries in case no-one here has experience >>>> with Apple Silicon and is an old Mac user. >>>> >>>> Thank you so much, >>>> >>>> Mohamed E. Fayed >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 21 Oct 2021, at 3:50 PM, Herbie Allen <herbieal...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I think a lot of your questions depend on the age of the Mac. For >>>>> instance, I’m running two Macs, one from 2012 and another from 2019. The >>>>> 2012 runs slowly while my souped up 2019 Mac runs like a charm with none >>>>> of the issues you are concerned about. I would love to test these newer >>>>> Mac’s myself since this one is extremely fast and efficient already. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 21, 2021, at 06:18, Muhammad Fayed <m10fa...@gmail.com >>>>>> <mailto:m10fa...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi,, >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope my mail finds you well, >>>>>> >>>>>> Out of curiosity, I wonder how it matters to use Apple Silicon compared >>>>>> to Intel devices. >>>>>> >>>>>> • Is it faster to deal with Apple Silicon Mac and more responsive >>>>>> compared to older Macs? >>>>>> >>>>>> • Does Voiceover says “busy” much less ? >>>>>> >>>>>> • Does image description feature runs faster? >>>>>> >>>>>> • Are there any other differences than those I expected? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you so much, >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Mohamed E. 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