Extremely Rapid Battery Drain on AirPods Pro, within the last Two Weeks, Why?

2021-12-22 Thread M. Taylor
Hello All,

I purchased my AirPods Pro last December.  Since then, I have had nothing
but excellent service from them, including standby battery life.

However, and I'm not certain when this happened, within the last two weeks
to be sure, all of a sudden, almost every time I go to use my AirPods Pro,
when out-and-about, I find that they are completely drained of battery life
even though I have not used them since charging, a day or 2 prior.  

I have performed all of the Apple-recommended procedures including resetting
the battery case, and removing the set from my account.  Nothing seems to
help.

Last night, I had a friend come over with her AirPods Pro and we made
certain to charge them both to 100%.  Then, we simply let each set sit on a
table for about 20 minutes, essentially in standby mode.  It should be noted
that the AirPods were not actively connected to either of our iPhones.

She has iPhone 11 and I have my beloved 8 Plus; however we were both running
the same version of iOS.

When we checked the battery status on both units, hers was virtually the
same as it was just after charging while my battery case had lost 10% of
it's battery life; also, both of my AirPods Pro earpieces seemed to be
sucking up the proverbial juice, even faster.  

Again, leaving the units on the table, after checking battery life, 2 more
times at 20 minute intervals, it was clear that my set was losing battery
power almost three times more rapidly than her set.

So, as my AirPods Pro are covered by Apple Care Plus, I will take them into
the store and see what they have to say.

I canvased a few other acquaintances (about 5 people in all) on this issue
they, too, are all experiencing  the same rapid battery loss on their
AirPods Pro sets.

If anyone has any ideas on how to resolve this seemingly out-of-the-blue
problem, by all means, chime in.

Thank you,

Mark


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Re: Voice Dream Reader Coming To Mac

2021-12-22 Thread Herbie Allen
It is in Beta form right now. Yes, it does work on Intel, and my understanding 
is that the voices do not work. You’re limited to the Mac ones.

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> Hey guys. So I heard on one of my Whatsapp groups that Voice Dream Reader is 
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> macOS Monterey on your Mac. I have two questions about this. One is from 
> somebody else and the other is a question of mine. Does anyone know if this 
> will work on Intel based Macs? And my question is, and I'm thinking that the 
> answer is no because iOS doesn't have this ability, but I was wondering if 
> voices we buy for the app will also work with Voiceover? I should say that 
> this app is in beta. You can try it here. 
> https://testflight.apple.com/join/bizyFnIn 
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Keyboard Command for Sending Text Message?

2021-12-22 Thread Fazil M.
Hi, Group.

I am trying to send a text message via Mac. I can not find 'Send-Button'
anywhere. In the Toolbar, I find 'Compose Button' and Conversation Button,
but not Send Button. Shift-command-d is not working either.

Help, please!

Thanks!

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Re: Keyboard Command for Sending Text Message?

2021-12-22 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
Hi,

Just press return to send.

Later…


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> On Dec 22, 2021, at 12:41, Fazil M.  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Group.
> I am trying to send a text message via Mac. I can not find ‘Send-Button’ 
> anywhere. In the Toolbar, I find ‘Compose Button’ and Conversation Button, 
> but not Send Button. Shift-command-d is not working either.
> Help, please!
> Thanks!
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Re: Extremely Rapid Battery Drain on AirPods Pro, within the last Two Weeks, Why?

2021-12-22 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
Hi,

No problems of that sort here.  I will double check though to see if I’m just 
not paying close enough attention to battery drain.

Later…


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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Dec 22, 2021, at 06:26, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I purchased my AirPods Pro last December.  Since then, I have had nothing
> but excellent service from them, including standby battery life.
> 
> However, and I'm not certain when this happened, within the last two weeks
> to be sure, all of a sudden, almost every time I go to use my AirPods Pro,
> when out-and-about, I find that they are completely drained of battery life
> even though I have not used them since charging, a day or 2 prior.  
> 
> I have performed all of the Apple-recommended procedures including resetting
> the battery case, and removing the set from my account.  Nothing seems to
> help.
> 
> Last night, I had a friend come over with her AirPods Pro and we made
> certain to charge them both to 100%.  Then, we simply let each set sit on a
> table for about 20 minutes, essentially in standby mode.  It should be noted
> that the AirPods were not actively connected to either of our iPhones.
> 
> She has iPhone 11 and I have my beloved 8 Plus; however we were both running
> the same version of iOS.
> 
> When we checked the battery status on both units, hers was virtually the
> same as it was just after charging while my battery case had lost 10% of
> it's battery life; also, both of my AirPods Pro earpieces seemed to be
> sucking up the proverbial juice, even faster.  
> 
> Again, leaving the units on the table, after checking battery life, 2 more
> times at 20 minute intervals, it was clear that my set was losing battery
> power almost three times more rapidly than her set.
> 
> So, as my AirPods Pro are covered by Apple Care Plus, I will take them into
> the store and see what they have to say.
> 
> I canvased a few other acquaintances (about 5 people in all) on this issue
> they, too, are all experiencing  the same rapid battery loss on their
> AirPods Pro sets.
> 
> If anyone has any ideas on how to resolve this seemingly out-of-the-blue
> problem, by all means, chime in.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
> 
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RE: Keyboard Command for Sending Text Message?

2021-12-22 Thread Fazil M.
Return to send? So, what about next line? How can I start a new paragraph?

Thanks!

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 11:49 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Keyboard Command for Sending Text Message?

 

Hi,

 

Just press return to send.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Dec 22, 2021, at 12:41, Fazil M. mailto:mfa...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Hi, Group.

I am trying to send a text message via Mac. I can not find ‘Send-Button’ 
anywhere. In the Toolbar, I find ‘Compose Button’ and Conversation Button, but 
not Send Button. Shift-command-d is not working either.

Help, please!

Thanks!

 

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Re: Extremely Rapid Battery Drain on AirPods Pro, within the last Two Weeks, Why?

2021-12-22 Thread Jonathan Cohn
I wonder if there is a difference in Firmware versions? I believe you check 
that in bluetooth system preferences.
Jonathan 
 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Dec 22, 2021, at 14:51, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> No problems of that sort here.  I will double check though to see if I’m just 
> not paying close enough attention to battery drain.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Dec 22, 2021, at 06:26, M. Taylor > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I purchased my AirPods Pro last December.  Since then, I have had nothing
>> but excellent service from them, including standby battery life.
>> 
>> However, and I'm not certain when this happened, within the last two weeks
>> to be sure, all of a sudden, almost every time I go to use my AirPods Pro,
>> when out-and-about, I find that they are completely drained of battery life
>> even though I have not used them since charging, a day or 2 prior.  
>> 
>> I have performed all of the Apple-recommended procedures including resetting
>> the battery case, and removing the set from my account.  Nothing seems to
>> help.
>> 
>> Last night, I had a friend come over with her AirPods Pro and we made
>> certain to charge them both to 100%.  Then, we simply let each set sit on a
>> table for about 20 minutes, essentially in standby mode.  It should be noted
>> that the AirPods were not actively connected to either of our iPhones.
>> 
>> She has iPhone 11 and I have my beloved 8 Plus; however we were both running
>> the same version of iOS.
>> 
>> When we checked the battery status on both units, hers was virtually the
>> same as it was just after charging while my battery case had lost 10% of
>> it's battery life; also, both of my AirPods Pro earpieces seemed to be
>> sucking up the proverbial juice, even faster.  
>> 
>> Again, leaving the units on the table, after checking battery life, 2 more
>> times at 20 minute intervals, it was clear that my set was losing battery
>> power almost three times more rapidly than her set.
>> 
>> So, as my AirPods Pro are covered by Apple Care Plus, I will take them into
>> the store and see what they have to say.
>> 
>> I canvased a few other acquaintances (about 5 people in all) on this issue
>> they, too, are all experiencing  the same rapid battery loss on their
>> AirPods Pro sets.
>> 
>> If anyone has any ideas on how to resolve this seemingly out-of-the-blue
>> problem, by all means, chime in.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
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Re: Syncing iPhone contacts with MacBook Pro

2021-12-22 Thread Jonathan Cohn
Hello Brad,
Also, sometimes Gmail accounts have their contacts syncing with your Apple 
products too. You can look in System Preferences / IOS Settings in the place 
where you set up email accounts to see if your Gmail account is also providing 
contact information.
HTH!
Jonathan Cohn



> On Dec 21, 2021, at 11:04, Michael Busboom  wrote:
> 
> Thank you. I will give this a try.
> 
> Greatly appreciated.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 21.12.2021, at 15:05, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> More specifically, you need to go into the Apple ID settings on each device, 
>> and make sure contacts is selected.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Dec 21, 2021, at 07:54, Dave Carlson > > wrote:
>> 
>> You need to set up iCloud so that it synchronizes your contacts on each 
>> device.
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Woodworker, Oregonian, Farfar, Pioneer, and Engineer
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2021-12-22 Thread Lorie McCloud
Anybody know if teamviewer for Mac is accessible?

thanks.
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Re: Syncing iPhone contacts with MacBook Pro

2021-12-22 Thread Brad Snyder
Yes, I am familiar with using Google/Gmail contacts on Apple devices.


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> On Dec 22, 2021, at 18:05, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> Hello Brad,
> Also, sometimes Gmail accounts have their contacts syncing with your Apple 
> products too. You can look in System Preferences / IOS Settings in the place 
> where you set up email accounts to see if your Gmail account is also 
> providing contact information.
> HTH!
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 21, 2021, at 11:04, Michael Busboom > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you. I will give this a try.
>> 
>> Greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 21.12.2021, at 15:05, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> More specifically, you need to go into the Apple ID settings on each 
>>> device, and make sure contacts is selected.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Dec 21, 2021, at 07:54, Dave Carlson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> You need to set up iCloud so that it synchronizes your contacts on each 
>>> device.
>>> 
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Re: Extremely Rapid Battery Drain on AirPods Pro, within the last Two Weeks, Why?

2021-12-22 Thread Brad Snyder
Information on AirPod firmware can be found by doing the following:
1.  Place your AirPods, AirPods Pro, or AirPods Max in your ears/or on your 
head, and make sure they are connected to your iPhone or iPad.
2.  Go to Settings > General > About.
3.  Swipe right, until you locate your AirPods/AirPods Pro/AirPods Max, and do 
a 1-finger double tap, to open up device information, including firmware 
version and more..

HTH.

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> I wonder if there is a difference in Firmware versions? I believe you check 
> that in bluetooth system preferences.
> Jonathan 
>  
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 22, 2021, at 14:51, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> No problems of that sort here.  I will double check though to see if I’m 
>> just not paying close enough attention to battery drain.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
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>> 
>>> On Dec 22, 2021, at 06:26, M. Taylor >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> I purchased my AirPods Pro last December.  Since then, I have had nothing
>>> but excellent service from them, including standby battery life.
>>> 
>>> However, and I'm not certain when this happened, within the last two weeks
>>> to be sure, all of a sudden, almost every time I go to use my AirPods Pro,
>>> when out-and-about, I find that they are completely drained of battery life
>>> even though I have not used them since charging, a day or 2 prior.  
>>> 
>>> I have performed all of the Apple-recommended procedures including resetting
>>> the battery case, and removing the set from my account.  Nothing seems to
>>> help.
>>> 
>>> Last night, I had a friend come over with her AirPods Pro and we made
>>> certain to charge them both to 100%.  Then, we simply let each set sit on a
>>> table for about 20 minutes, essentially in standby mode.  It should be noted
>>> that the AirPods were not actively connected to either of our iPhones.
>>> 
>>> She has iPhone 11 and I have my beloved 8 Plus; however we were both running
>>> the same version of iOS.
>>> 
>>> When we checked the battery status on both units, hers was virtually the
>>> same as it was just after charging while my battery case had lost 10% of
>>> it's battery life; also, both of my AirPods Pro earpieces seemed to be
>>> sucking up the proverbial juice, even faster.  
>>> 
>>> Again, leaving the units on the table, after checking battery life, 2 more
>>> times at 20 minute intervals, it was clear that my set was losing battery
>>> power almost three times more rapidly than her set.
>>> 
>>> So, as my AirPods Pro are covered by Apple Care Plus, I will take them into
>>> the store and see what they have to say.
>>> 
>>> I canvased a few other acquaintances (about 5 people in all) on this issue
>>> they, too, are all experiencing  the same rapid battery loss on their
>>> AirPods Pro sets.
>>> 
>>> If anyone has any ideas on how to resolve this seemingly out-of-the-blue
>>> problem, by all means, chime in.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Mark
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Re: Teamviewer

2021-12-22 Thread Brad Snyder
Yes it is.

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> Anybody know if teamviewer for Mac is accessible?
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> thanks.
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Re: Teamviewer

2021-12-22 Thread Lorie McCloud
what about the crowdcast app on IOS?

> On Dec 22, 2021, at 7:29 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> Yes it is.
> 
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>> On Dec 22, 2021, at 19:02, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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>> Anybody know if teamviewer for Mac is accessible?
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>> thanks.
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Re: Teamviewer

2021-12-22 Thread Brad Snyder
I have used this app, and have had no problem using it with VoiceOver on my 
iPhone X or 12 Pro.

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On Dec 22, 2021, at 22:51, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

what about the crowdcast app on IOS?

> On Dec 22, 2021, at 7:29 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> Yes it is.
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>> On Dec 22, 2021, at 19:02, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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>> Anybody know if teamviewer for Mac is accessible?
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>> thanks.
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Re: Teamviewer

2021-12-22 Thread Lorie McCloud
there's something I signed up for on crowdcast. the last time I used crowdcast 
I couldn't get it to work but it was on my Mac. somebody said they used 
teamviewer to watch this presentation but it was a sighted person using windows 
so I don't know if that's relevant for me at all. besides I don't know how they 
did it if you sign up on crowdcast.

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> I have used this app, and have had no problem using it with VoiceOver on my 
> iPhone X or 12 Pro.
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> On Dec 22, 2021, at 22:51, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
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> what about the crowdcast app on IOS?
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>> On Dec 22, 2021, at 7:29 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
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>> Yes it is.
>> 
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>> 
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>>> On Dec 22, 2021, at 19:02, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
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>>> Anybody know if teamviewer for Mac is accessible?
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>>> thanks.
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