Re: Request for help in deciding between Intel based and and one MacBook Pro

[Muhammad Fayed]

According to the thread, your friend does not require quiet specialized 
software. PDF reading, MS Word editing, Web browsing is highly accessible. You 
may depend entirely on Apple iWord apps e.g. Pages (MS Word equivalent), 
Keynote (MS Powerpoint). As Rebecca mentioned, you can import and export MS 
files. 

I hear that the new feature of  OCR capabilities of Mac OS 12 is very good, 
but I haven’t heard a comparison to windows equivalent.

Most probably, you won’t need Windows any more because of the basic usage, but 
you need to search whether they use specialized software in their career 
although I don’t imagine a one. So, you may safely ignore Windows and Intel 
based Macs.

I have 2016 15” MacBook Pro, it lags a little with Voiceover when "Voice is 
automatically selected based on language”. So, I won’t recommend Intel based 
Mac since its performance may degrade soon with upcoming software updates. As a 
blind user, I prefer to have the most recent advances in accessibility 
technologies to enjoy latest features that could make my life much easier.

M1 vs M1 Pro/Max, this basic usage does not require much capabilities. So, M1 
is very fine, but I would recommend 16GB RAM to avoid storage issues on the 
long run.

Hope it helps,

Regards,

Mohamed E. Fayed 

> On 20 Jan 2022, at 8:15 PM, muhammad babar Shahzad  
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> Hello friends,
> As per the subject line, I request you to kindly let me know whether my 
> friend who is going to transition from Windows to Mac should  acquire an 
> Intel based machine or the M1? They need to use it for university studies. I 
> would highly appreciate if anyone could kindly share their experience of 
> transitioning from Windows to Mac for university studies.
> Thank you very much in advance.
> Regards, Mohammed Babar Shahzad.
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RE: more questions about setting up iPhone s e

[Rebecca Skipper]

Try this support article.
Have you set up your phone already?
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204184

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Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 10:46 PM
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Subject: Re: more questions about setting up iPhone s e

I don't care how long it takes. where do I go to choose iCloud backup?

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 6:54 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
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> When you signed in did you enable iCloud backup or did you decide to download 
> your data manually?
> iCloud backup takes a while.
> You could always ask Siri to open the app store and double tap the My Account 
> under the today tab.
> Then, you could download the apps you wanted.
> However, if you are downloading an iCloud backup it should automatically 
> install your apps.
> ICloud just takes hours depending on the amount of data you have backed up..
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: more questions about setting up iPhone s e
> 
> it thinks set-up is complete but it hasn't downloaded any of my apps. is 
> there a way to tell it to do that?
> 
> also it's using the 24 hour clock. I want the 12 hour one and it's speaking 
> the callendar date in a foreign language except for the number.
> 
> thankns.
> Lorie
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Re: more questions about setting up iPhone s e

[Lorie McCloud]

I don't care how long it takes. where do I go to choose iCloud backup?

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 6:54 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> When you signed in did you enable iCloud backup or did you decide to download 
> your data manually?
> iCloud backup takes a while.
> You could always ask Siri to open the app store and double tap the My Account 
> under the today tab.
> Then, you could download the apps you wanted.
> However, if you are downloading an iCloud backup it should automatically 
> install your apps.
> ICloud just takes hours depending on the amount of data you have backed up..
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Lorie McCloud
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 7:31 PM
> To: via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: more questions about setting up iPhone s e
> 
> it thinks set-up is complete but it hasn't downloaded any of my apps. is 
> there a way to tell it to do that?
> 
> also it's using the 24 hour clock. I want the 12 hour one and it's speaking 
> the callendar date in a foreign language except for the number.
> 
> thankns.
> Lorie
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RE: Request for help in deciding between Intel based and and one MacBook Pro

[Rebecca Skipper]

Hi,
The M1 Mac is the better option, and your friend will be able to import MS
Word files into Pages and export the Pages file back to Word.
PDF files can be read in Preview.
Is your friend using voiceover?
Though I have not tried this, I've heard that parallel isn't very accessible 
with a screen reader.
Your friend should be able to use Safari, Google Chrome, and Firefox on the Mac.
As long as the site interface meets WCAG requirements then thing should be fine 
though it would be helpful to have multiple browsers on hand.

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Subject: Re: Request for help in deciding between Intel based and and one 
MacBook Pro

Hi,
Friends, I'm highly thankful to you for your enriching and informative 
suggestions. I think the M1 based Mac will be a more viable option for them. My 
friend is studying International Relations and will possibly need to use a word 
processor, consult the university’s online learning portal/electronic library, 
and go through the readings in either .dox or PDF format.
If and when required, they can also install windows as a virtual machine.
Once again, thank you so much.
Regards,
Mohammed Babar.
> On 21 Jan 2022, at 5:33 am, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> I have never used an M1 mac but I know Apple is phasing out the Intel 
> processors so if they got an Intel mac they would be buying in to a 
> technology that Apple is phasing out.
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 12:15 PM, muhammad babar Shahzad  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello friends,
>> As per the subject line, I request you to kindly let me know whether my 
>> friend who is going to transition from Windows to Mac should  acquire an 
>> Intel based machine or the M1? They need to use it for university studies. I 
>> would highly appreciate if anyone could kindly share their experience of 
>> transitioning from Windows to Mac for university studies.
>> Thank you very much in advance.
>> Regards, Mohammed Babar Shahzad.
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Re: Request for help in deciding between Intel based and and one MacBook Pro

[muhammad babar Shahzad]

Hi,
Friends, I'm highly thankful to you for your enriching and informative 
suggestions. I think the M1 based Mac will be a more viable option for them. My 
friend is studying International Relations and will possibly need to use a word 
processor, consult the university’s online learning portal/electronic library, 
and go through the readings in either .dox or PDF format.
If and when required, they can also install windows as a virtual machine.
Once again, thank you so much.
Regards,
Mohammed Babar.
> On 21 Jan 2022, at 5:33 am, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> I have never used an M1 mac but I know Apple is phasing out the Intel 
> processors so if they got an Intel mac they would be buying in to a 
> technology that Apple is phasing out.
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 12:15 PM, muhammad babar Shahzad  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello friends,
>> As per the subject line, I request you to kindly let me know whether my 
>> friend who is going to transition from Windows to Mac should  acquire an 
>> Intel based machine or the M1? They need to use it for university studies. I 
>> would highly appreciate if anyone could kindly share their experience of 
>> transitioning from Windows to Mac for university studies.
>> Thank you very much in advance.
>> Regards, Mohammed Babar Shahzad.
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RE: more questions about setting up iPhone s e

[Rebecca Skipper]

When you signed in did you enable iCloud backup or did you decide to download 
your data manually?
iCloud backup takes a while.
You could always ask Siri to open the app store and double tap the My Account 
under the today tab.
Then, you could download the apps you wanted.
However, if you are downloading an iCloud backup it should automatically 
install your apps.
ICloud just takes hours depending on the amount of data you have backed up..

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Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 7:31 PM
To: via MacVisionaries 
Subject: more questions about setting up iPhone s e

it thinks set-up is complete but it hasn't downloaded any of my apps. is there 
a way to tell it to do that?

also it's using the 24 hour clock. I want the 12 hour one and it's speaking the 
callendar date in a foreign language except for the number.

thankns.
Lorie

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Re: Request for help in deciding between Intel based and and one MacBook Pro

[Mike Arrigo]

I have never used an M1 mac but I know Apple is phasing out the Intel 
processors so if they got an Intel mac they would be buying in to a technology 
that Apple is phasing out.

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 12:15 PM, muhammad babar Shahzad  
> wrote:
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> Hello friends,
> As per the subject line, I request you to kindly let me know whether my 
> friend who is going to transition from Windows to Mac should  acquire an 
> Intel based machine or the M1? They need to use it for university studies. I 
> would highly appreciate if anyone could kindly share their experience of 
> transitioning from Windows to Mac for university studies.
> Thank you very much in advance.
> Regards, Mohammed Babar Shahzad.
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more questions about setting up iPhone s e

[Lorie McCloud]

it thinks set-up is complete but it hasn't downloaded any of my apps. is there 
a way to tell it to do that?

also it's using the 24 hour clock. I want the 12 hour one and it's speaking the 
callendar date in a foreign language except for the number.

thankns.
Lorie

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Re: new iPhone se

[Lorie McCloud]

yeah. you're right. we've already had a lot of cold weather for Texas. I was 
also thinking of upgrading to the $45 plan when I go to visit my mother who 
doesn't have internet believe it or not.

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 4:46 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
> 
> Yes exactly Lorie. Something else I was going to point out as well, you might 
> benefit from the $45 a month plan, if in you experienced a lot of power 
> outages due to the winter storms that we are going to be having here in 
> Texas. But I'm hoping that we don't have that issue, this year. I saw Encore 
> electric out working on some of the power poles just this afternoon.
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 2:31 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> since I'm already a Spectrum customer I can get mobile service for $14 a 
>> month. I don't need 2 lines anyway.
>> 
>>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 1:51 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lori, since you're already a spectrum customer, it should be a simple as 
>>> taking your Sim card out of your old phone and putting it in your new one. 
>>> And by the way, for that person, that gave her the idea of not having to 
>>> pay for two lines. That is actually cheaper than the one line plan. As the 
>>> one line plan, is 45 bucks a month plus taxes and the please. Well you can 
>>> get two lines for 60 bucks.
>>> 
 On Jan 18, 2022, at 11:20 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 I got an unlocked iPhone se from Amazon because they were out of stock at 
 Spectrum. is it possible to switch my line over to it without taking it to 
 the store? if so, how do I do it?
 
 thanks.
 Lorie
 
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RE: new iPhone se

[Rebecca Skipper]

It depends on where you are in Florida and who your carrier is.
However, it could be hit or miss, and I was more worried about conserving 
battery.
The only time I have switched to the more expensive plan was when my Internet 
went down, and I needed enough data to use my phone as a hotspot.


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Actually, the cell coverage was great. And most areas here in Texas. Cell I 
guess that's why I was lucky.

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 4:51 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> I've never lived through a major snow storm, but I assume that it is like 
> hurricanes in that once the power goes out cellular coverage is spotty at 
> best and land lines are actually better after a power outage.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of joseph hudson
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 5:47 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new iPhone se
> 
> Yes exactly Lorie. Something else I was going to point out as well, you might 
> benefit from the $45 a month plan, if in you experienced a lot of power 
> outages due to the winter storms that we are going to be having here in 
> Texas. But I'm hoping that we don't have that issue, this year. I saw Encore 
> electric out working on some of the power poles just this afternoon.
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 2:31 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> since I'm already a Spectrum customer I can get mobile service for $14 a 
>> month. I don't need 2 lines anyway.
>> 
>>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 1:51 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lori, since you're already a spectrum customer, it should be a simple as 
>>> taking your Sim card out of your old phone and putting it in your new one. 
>>> And by the way, for that person, that gave her the idea of not having to 
>>> pay for two lines. That is actually cheaper than the one line plan. As the 
>>> one line plan, is 45 bucks a month plus taxes and the please. Well you can 
>>> get two lines for 60 bucks.
>>> 
 On Jan 18, 2022, at 11:20 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 I got an unlocked iPhone se from Amazon because they were out of stock at 
 Spectrum. is it possible to switch my line over to it without taking it to 
 the store? if so, how do I do it?
 
 thanks.
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Re: new iPhone se

[joseph hudson]

Actually, the cell coverage was great. And most areas here in Texas. Cell I 
guess that's why I was lucky.

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 4:51 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> I've never lived through a major snow storm, but I assume that it is like 
> hurricanes in that once the power goes out cellular coverage is spotty at 
> best and land lines are actually better after a power outage.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of joseph hudson
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 5:47 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new iPhone se
> 
> Yes exactly Lorie. Something else I was going to point out as well, you might 
> benefit from the $45 a month plan, if in you experienced a lot of power 
> outages due to the winter storms that we are going to be having here in 
> Texas. But I'm hoping that we don't have that issue, this year. I saw Encore 
> electric out working on some of the power poles just this afternoon.
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 2:31 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> since I'm already a Spectrum customer I can get mobile service for $14 a 
>> month. I don't need 2 lines anyway.
>> 
>>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 1:51 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lori, since you're already a spectrum customer, it should be a simple as 
>>> taking your Sim card out of your old phone and putting it in your new one. 
>>> And by the way, for that person, that gave her the idea of not having to 
>>> pay for two lines. That is actually cheaper than the one line plan. As the 
>>> one line plan, is 45 bucks a month plus taxes and the please. Well you can 
>>> get two lines for 60 bucks.
>>> 
 On Jan 18, 2022, at 11:20 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 I got an unlocked iPhone se from Amazon because they were out of stock at 
 Spectrum. is it possible to switch my line over to it without taking it to 
 the store? if so, how do I do it?
 
 thanks.
 Lorie
 
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RE: new iPhone se

[Rebecca Skipper]

I've never lived through a major snow storm, but I assume that it is like 
hurricanes in that once the power goes out cellular coverage is spotty at best 
and land lines are actually better after a power outage.


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Subject: Re: new iPhone se

Yes exactly Lorie. Something else I was going to point out as well, you might 
benefit from the $45 a month plan, if in you experienced a lot of power outages 
due to the winter storms that we are going to be having here in Texas. But I'm 
hoping that we don't have that issue, this year. I saw Encore electric out 
working on some of the power poles just this afternoon.

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 2:31 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> since I'm already a Spectrum customer I can get mobile service for $14 a 
> month. I don't need 2 lines anyway.
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 1:51 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Lori, since you're already a spectrum customer, it should be a simple as 
>> taking your Sim card out of your old phone and putting it in your new one. 
>> And by the way, for that person, that gave her the idea of not having to pay 
>> for two lines. That is actually cheaper than the one line plan. As the one 
>> line plan, is 45 bucks a month plus taxes and the please. Well you can get 
>> two lines for 60 bucks.
>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2022, at 11:20 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I got an unlocked iPhone se from Amazon because they were out of stock at 
>>> Spectrum. is it possible to switch my line over to it without taking it to 
>>> the store? if so, how do I do it?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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Re: new iPhone se

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Yes exactly Lorie. Something else I was going to point out as well, you might 
benefit from the $45 a month plan, if in you experienced a lot of power outages 
due to the winter storms that we are going to be having here in Texas. But I'm 
hoping that we don't have that issue, this year. I saw Encore electric out 
working on some of the power poles just this afternoon.

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 2:31 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> since I'm already a Spectrum customer I can get mobile service for $14 a 
> month. I don't need 2 lines anyway.
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 1:51 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Lori, since you're already a spectrum customer, it should be a simple as 
>> taking your Sim card out of your old phone and putting it in your new one. 
>> And by the way, for that person, that gave her the idea of not having to pay 
>> for two lines. That is actually cheaper than the one line plan. As the one 
>> line plan, is 45 bucks a month plus taxes and the please. Well you can get 
>> two lines for 60 bucks.
>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2022, at 11:20 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I got an unlocked iPhone se from Amazon because they were out of stock at 
>>> Spectrum. is it possible to switch my line over to it without taking it to 
>>> the store? if so, how do I do it?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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Re: new iPhone se

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Pretty well everything from settings is transferred over.  Even some of your 
various sign-ins should transfer.

Later…


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> On Jan 20, 2022, at 14:56, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> that did it.
> 
> how much of the stuff from settings gets installed when I backup from iCloud? 
> I know I'm going to have to sign into all of my apps but I mean things like 
> what's in the rotor and how I have autolock set etc.
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 1:07 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>> 
>> Press the home button three times quickly.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Lorie McCloud
>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 2:05 PM
>> To: via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Re: new iPhone se
>> 
>> I'm having trouble getting vo to come on on my new s e. do I hold down the 
>> home button and tell siri to turn on voiceover or won't that work? it's not 
>> working right now. is there another way to turn on vo?
>> 
>>> On Jan 19, 2022, at 4:48 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
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>>> Call Spectrum and give them the IMEI and they should be able to send you a 
>>> Sim card in the mail.
>>> be sure to get them to deactivate your old phone so you are not stuck 
>>> paying for two lines.
>>> See this link.
>>> https://mobile.spectrum.com/support/article/36173467/spectrum-mobile-activation
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of Lorie McCloud
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2022 12:20 AM
>>> To: via MacVisionaries 
>>> Subject: new iPhone se
>>> 
>>> I got an unlocked iPhone se from Amazon because they were out of stock at 
>>> Spectrum. is it possible to switch my line over to it without taking it to 
>>> the store? if so, how do I do it?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
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Re: new iPhone se

[Lorie McCloud]

that did it.

how much of the stuff from settings gets installed when I backup from iCloud? I 
know I'm going to have to sign into all of my apps but I mean things like 
what's in the rotor and how I have autolock set etc.

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 1:07 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
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> Press the home button three times quickly.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Lorie McCloud
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 2:05 PM
> To: via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: new iPhone se
> 
> I'm having trouble getting vo to come on on my new s e. do I hold down the 
> home button and tell siri to turn on voiceover or won't that work? it's not 
> working right now. is there another way to turn on vo?
> 
>> On Jan 19, 2022, at 4:48 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>> 
>> Call Spectrum and give them the IMEI and they should be able to send you a 
>> Sim card in the mail.
>> be sure to get them to deactivate your old phone so you are not stuck paying 
>> for two lines.
>> See this link.
>> https://mobile.spectrum.com/support/article/36173467/spectrum-mobile-activation
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Lorie McCloud
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2022 12:20 AM
>> To: via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: new iPhone se
>> 
>> I got an unlocked iPhone se from Amazon because they were out of stock at 
>> Spectrum. is it possible to switch my line over to it without taking it to 
>> the store? if so, how do I do it?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: Request for help in deciding between Intel based and and one MacBook Pro

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Apple wants control over the hole chain from hardware to software so you should 
go with the m1 or whatever m chip that might come later this year.
I haven’t seen any intel mac’s around in the stores that sells them here in 
Sweden but it might be different in other countries.
I will go with the new m1 MacBook Pro but I don’t know which one.
/A

> 20 jan. 2022 kl. 19:21 skrev Rebecca Skipper :
> 
> I think the most important question to ask is what applications is your 
> friend going to be using.
> Although I am still learning how to use the Mac, you can browse the web, 
> complete assignments in Pages or text edit, and write coding.
> What major is your friend going into?
> If your friend needs Windows then the Intel Mac with Bootcamp might work 
> best, but I would strongly recommend staying with the M1 Macs because I 
> suspect that Intel Macs will lose support after a while.
> My impression is that they are being phased out.
> Right now, I am using Mac and Windows.
> Before your friend makes any changes, please ask about what apps will be used 
> for classes.
> I think either operating system would be appropriate for word processing, 
> email, 
> And web browsing, and I have heard that the mac is preferable for audio 
> production.
> I have found it harder to get apps for the Mac though I have an iPhone as 
> well.
> Hope this helps.
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of muhammad babar Shahzad
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 1:16 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Request for help in deciding between Intel based and and one MacBook 
> Pro
> 
> Hello friends,
> As per the subject line, I request you to kindly let me know whether my 
> friend who is going to transition from Windows to Mac should  acquire an 
> Intel based machine or the M1? They need to use it for university studies. I 
> would highly appreciate if anyone could kindly share their experience of 
> transitioning from Windows to Mac for university studies.
> Thank you very much in advance.
> Regards, Mohammed Babar Shahzad.
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Re: new iPhone se

[Lorie McCloud]

since I'm already a Spectrum customer I can get mobile service for $14 a month. 
I don't need 2 lines anyway.

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 1:51 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
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> Lori, since you're already a spectrum customer, it should be a simple as 
> taking your Sim card out of your old phone and putting it in your new one. 
> And by the way, for that person, that gave her the idea of not having to pay 
> for two lines. That is actually cheaper than the one line plan. As the one 
> line plan, is 45 bucks a month plus taxes and the please. Well you can get 
> two lines for 60 bucks.
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2022, at 11:20 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> I got an unlocked iPhone se from Amazon because they were out of stock at 
>> Spectrum. is it possible to switch my line over to it without taking it to 
>> the store? if so, how do I do it?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: How to Reduce Delay Between Successive Keypresses on Mac

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Tim,
Thanks so much for the tip on moving to mailboxes quickly. Like Dave, I was 
frustrated by the delays it took to find the mailbox I desired. Typing in more 
than one letter makes all the difference. This will save me a ton of time.
Best Regards,

Les

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 11:12 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> No there is not.  The difference between the interface for Mac and Windows is 
> that Windows relies only on the first letter, whereas Mac is waiting for more 
> letters before it allows you to move on per se.  So, if you wanted to jump 
> quickly to Jason, type j a s, whereas if you’d like to move quickly to John, 
> type j o.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jan 19, 2022, at 21:47, Dave Carlson > > wrote:
>> 
>> What I’m referring to is the following example:
>> 
>> I’m in the folder view in Mail.
>> I press the “J” key to jump to the first folder starting with that letter.
>> If I want to then type another letter “J” or even if I want to type some 
>> other letter, I always have to wait about 3 seconds before it will respond.
>> Unless of course I press a down/up arrow first and then type the new 
>> character.
>> 
>> That seems very silly to me. Of course, I’m an old Windows user and I liked 
>> being able to tap a letter key repeatedly and skipping from one item to the 
>> next with that letter to speed up searching.
>> 
>> So for all the clever terminal command folks out there, is there a way to 
>> significantly shorten the required “dead time” before the Mac will wake up 
>> and respond to another keypress?
>> 
>> And I’m thinking this is a system-wide restriction, because it exhibits the 
>> same behavior in Finder, Dock, and others aside from Mail.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Farfar, Woodworker, and Pioneer
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Re: new iPhone se

[joseph hudson]

Well if you were ever wanting to try your hand at android, well keeping your 
feet in iOS it's definitely affordable option you're welcome.

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 2:09 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
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> Thanks.
> I don't know four people right now who could benefit, but I think adding a 
> second line wouldn't be so bad. If needed in the future.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> 
> Rebecca, no problem. Something else I forgot to point out, let's just say you 
> had a total of four of you, it would only be 29.99 to add each additional 
> line.
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 2:03 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> It makes sense that you would have a plan like that, and I appreciate the 
>> information.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of joseph hudson
>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 3:02 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: new iPhone se
>> 
>> Rebekah, yes that's true. The $60 plan offers you two lines with unlimited 
>> data. And talk and text as well. It's the current plan that I have for my 
>> work cell which you will occasionally see me sign my signature with and my 
>> personal iPhone.
>> 
>>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 1:59 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually, you can get a 1GB plan for $14.00 if you don't need the unlimited 
>>> data., but what does the $60 plan offer?
>>> I thought about exploring android in the future.
>>> Thanks. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
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>>> Behalf Of joseph hudson
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 2:51 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: new iPhone se
>>> 
>>> Lori, since you're already a spectrum customer, it should be a simple as 
>>> taking your Sim card out of your old phone and putting it in your new one. 
>>> And by the way, for that person, that gave her the idea of not having to 
>>> pay for two lines. That is actually cheaper than the one line plan. As the 
>>> one line plan, is 45 bucks a month plus taxes and the please. Well you can 
>>> get two lines for 60 bucks.
>>> 
 On Jan 18, 2022, at 11:20 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 I got an unlocked iPhone se from Amazon because they were out of stock at 
 Spectrum. is it possible to switch my line over to it without taking it to 
 the store? if so, how do I do it?
 
 thanks.
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RE: new iPhone se

[Rebecca Skipper]

Thanks.
I don't know four people right now who could benefit, but I think adding a 
second line wouldn't be so bad. If needed in the future.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of joseph hudson
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 3:07 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new iPhone se

Rebecca, no problem. Something else I forgot to point out, let's just say you 
had a total of four of you, it would only be 29.99 to add each additional line.

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 2:03 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> Thanks.
> It makes sense that you would have a plan like that, and I appreciate the 
> information.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of joseph hudson
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 3:02 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new iPhone se
> 
> Rebekah, yes that's true. The $60 plan offers you two lines with unlimited 
> data. And talk and text as well. It's the current plan that I have for my 
> work cell which you will occasionally see me sign my signature with and my 
> personal iPhone.
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 1:59 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>> 
>> Actually, you can get a 1GB plan for $14.00 if you don't need the unlimited 
>> data., but what does the $60 plan offer?
>> I thought about exploring android in the future.
>> Thanks. 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of joseph hudson
>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 2:51 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: new iPhone se
>> 
>> Lori, since you're already a spectrum customer, it should be a simple as 
>> taking your Sim card out of your old phone and putting it in your new one. 
>> And by the way, for that person, that gave her the idea of not having to pay 
>> for two lines. That is actually cheaper than the one line plan. As the one 
>> line plan, is 45 bucks a month plus taxes and the please. Well you can get 
>> two lines for 60 bucks.
>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2022, at 11:20 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I got an unlocked iPhone se from Amazon because they were out of stock at 
>>> Spectrum. is it possible to switch my line over to it without taking it to 
>>> the store? if so, how do I do it?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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Re: new iPhone se

[joseph hudson]

Rebecca, no problem. Something else I forgot to point out, let's just say you 
had a total of four of you, it would only be 29.99 to add each additional line.

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 2:03 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> Thanks.
> It makes sense that you would have a plan like that, and I appreciate the 
> information.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of joseph hudson
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 3:02 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new iPhone se
> 
> Rebekah, yes that's true. The $60 plan offers you two lines with unlimited 
> data. And talk and text as well. It's the current plan that I have for my 
> work cell which you will occasionally see me sign my signature with and my 
> personal iPhone.
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 1:59 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>> 
>> Actually, you can get a 1GB plan for $14.00 if you don't need the unlimited 
>> data., but what does the $60 plan offer?
>> I thought about exploring android in the future.
>> Thanks. 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of joseph hudson
>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 2:51 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: new iPhone se
>> 
>> Lori, since you're already a spectrum customer, it should be a simple as 
>> taking your Sim card out of your old phone and putting it in your new one. 
>> And by the way, for that person, that gave her the idea of not having to pay 
>> for two lines. That is actually cheaper than the one line plan. As the one 
>> line plan, is 45 bucks a month plus taxes and the please. Well you can get 
>> two lines for 60 bucks.
>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2022, at 11:20 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I got an unlocked iPhone se from Amazon because they were out of stock at 
>>> Spectrum. is it possible to switch my line over to it without taking it to 
>>> the store? if so, how do I do it?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
>>> 
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RE: new iPhone se

[Rebecca Skipper]

Thanks.
It makes sense that you would have a plan like that, and I appreciate the 
information.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of joseph hudson
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 3:02 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new iPhone se

Rebekah, yes that's true. The $60 plan offers you two lines with unlimited 
data. And talk and text as well. It's the current plan that I have for my work 
cell which you will occasionally see me sign my signature with and my personal 
iPhone.

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 1:59 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> Actually, you can get a 1GB plan for $14.00 if you don't need the unlimited 
> data., but what does the $60 plan offer?
> I thought about exploring android in the future.
> Thanks. 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of joseph hudson
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 2:51 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new iPhone se
> 
> Lori, since you're already a spectrum customer, it should be a simple as 
> taking your Sim card out of your old phone and putting it in your new one. 
> And by the way, for that person, that gave her the idea of not having to pay 
> for two lines. That is actually cheaper than the one line plan. As the one 
> line plan, is 45 bucks a month plus taxes and the please. Well you can get 
> two lines for 60 bucks.
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2022, at 11:20 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> I got an unlocked iPhone se from Amazon because they were out of stock at 
>> Spectrum. is it possible to switch my line over to it without taking it to 
>> the store? if so, how do I do it?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
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Re: new iPhone se

[joseph hudson]

Rebekah, yes that's true. The $60 plan offers you two lines with unlimited 
data. And talk and text as well. It's the current plan that I have for my work 
cell which you will occasionally see me sign my signature with and my personal 
iPhone.

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 1:59 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> Actually, you can get a 1GB plan for $14.00 if you don't need the unlimited 
> data., but what does the $60 plan offer?
> I thought about exploring android in the future.
> Thanks. 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of joseph hudson
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 2:51 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new iPhone se
> 
> Lori, since you're already a spectrum customer, it should be a simple as 
> taking your Sim card out of your old phone and putting it in your new one. 
> And by the way, for that person, that gave her the idea of not having to pay 
> for two lines. That is actually cheaper than the one line plan. As the one 
> line plan, is 45 bucks a month plus taxes and the please. Well you can get 
> two lines for 60 bucks.
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2022, at 11:20 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> I got an unlocked iPhone se from Amazon because they were out of stock at 
>> Spectrum. is it possible to switch my line over to it without taking it to 
>> the store? if so, how do I do it?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
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RE: new iPhone se

[Rebecca Skipper]

Actually, you can get a 1GB plan for $14.00 if you don't need the unlimited 
data., but what does the $60 plan offer?
I thought about exploring android in the future.
Thanks. 


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of joseph hudson
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 2:51 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new iPhone se

Lori, since you're already a spectrum customer, it should be a simple as taking 
your Sim card out of your old phone and putting it in your new one. And by the 
way, for that person, that gave her the idea of not having to pay for two 
lines. That is actually cheaper than the one line plan. As the one line plan, 
is 45 bucks a month plus taxes and the please. Well you can get two lines for 
60 bucks.

> On Jan 18, 2022, at 11:20 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I got an unlocked iPhone se from Amazon because they were out of stock at 
> Spectrum. is it possible to switch my line over to it without taking it to 
> the store? if so, how do I do it?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
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Re: new iPhone se

[joseph hudson]

Tap the home button three times. That will bring up voiceover. Siri will not be 
activated until you have the phone set up on a Wi-Fi network.

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 1:05 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I'm having trouble getting vo to come on on my new s e. do I hold down the 
> home button and tell siri to turn on voiceover or won't that work? it's not 
> working right now. is there another way to turn on vo?
> 
>> On Jan 19, 2022, at 4:48 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
>> 
>> Call Spectrum and give them the IMEI and they should be able to send you a 
>> Sim card in the mail.
>> be sure to get them to deactivate your old phone so you are not stuck paying 
>> for two lines.
>> See this link.
>> https://mobile.spectrum.com/support/article/36173467/spectrum-mobile-activation
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Lorie McCloud
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2022 12:20 AM
>> To: via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: new iPhone se
>> 
>> I got an unlocked iPhone se from Amazon because they were out of stock at 
>> Spectrum. is it possible to switch my line over to it without taking it to 
>> the store? if so, how do I do it?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: new iPhone se

[joseph hudson]

Lori, since you're already a spectrum customer, it should be a simple as taking 
your Sim card out of your old phone and putting it in your new one. And by the 
way, for that person, that gave her the idea of not having to pay for two 
lines. That is actually cheaper than the one line plan. As the one line plan, 
is 45 bucks a month plus taxes and the please. Well you can get two lines for 
60 bucks.

> On Jan 18, 2022, at 11:20 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I got an unlocked iPhone se from Amazon because they were out of stock at 
> Spectrum. is it possible to switch my line over to it without taking it to 
> the store? if so, how do I do it?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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RE: new iPhone se

[Rebecca Skipper]

Press the home button three times quickly.


-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 2:05 PM
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Subject: Re: new iPhone se

I'm having trouble getting vo to come on on my new s e. do I hold down the home 
button and tell siri to turn on voiceover or won't that work? it's not working 
right now. is there another way to turn on vo?

> On Jan 19, 2022, at 4:48 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
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> Call Spectrum and give them the IMEI and they should be able to send you a 
> Sim card in the mail.
> be sure to get them to deactivate your old phone so you are not stuck paying 
> for two lines.
> See this link.
> https://mobile.spectrum.com/support/article/36173467/spectrum-mobile-activation
> 
> 
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> Subject: new iPhone se
> 
> I got an unlocked iPhone se from Amazon because they were out of stock at 
> Spectrum. is it possible to switch my line over to it without taking it to 
> the store? if so, how do I do it?
> 
> thanks.
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Re: new iPhone se

[Lorie McCloud]

I'm having trouble getting vo to come on on my new s e. do I hold down the home 
button and tell siri to turn on voiceover or won't that work? it's not working 
right now. is there another way to turn on vo?

> On Jan 19, 2022, at 4:48 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> Call Spectrum and give them the IMEI and they should be able to send you a 
> Sim card in the mail.
> be sure to get them to deactivate your old phone so you are not stuck paying 
> for two lines.
> See this link.
> https://mobile.spectrum.com/support/article/36173467/spectrum-mobile-activation
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Lorie McCloud
> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2022 12:20 AM
> To: via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: new iPhone se
> 
> I got an unlocked iPhone se from Amazon because they were out of stock at 
> Spectrum. is it possible to switch my line over to it without taking it to 
> the store? if so, how do I do it?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: need help with VO pitch

[Dave Carlson]

Then you need to drill down further in that table. There are specific rows 
where the control types are named, and you can change the voice attributes for 
each type, before you click on the OK button.

Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Oregonian, Pioneer, Musician, Engineer, and Farfar

On Jan 20, 2022, at 10:01 AM, alia robinson  wrote:

thanks, 

I did all that, and I’m still hearing it. maybe it’s just me lol.

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 1:00 PM, Dave Carlson  > wrote:
> 
> Alia,
> 
> You need to go to the Voiceover Utility for this.
> 
> Then under speech, and then voices.
> 
> Interact on Customize Language List
> 
> In that massive table you will be able to set the various ways that your 
> default voice acts with various controls. Takes a lot of wandering around, 
> and when done, look for the OK button before you leave.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Farfar, Woodworker, and Pioneer
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> On Jan 20, 2022, at 9:50 AM, alia robinson  > wrote:
> 
> thanks, I looked at that, and I see where you can change it all, and I did, 
> but it’s still awful. it’s like the voice I choose has a pitch 20% lower for 
> some controls. I think I’m just going to have to go back to alex where it’s 
> less noticable.
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 12:48 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> In case my answer did not correctly address your question, you might want to 
>> explore the Verbosity settings in the VoiceOver Utility, which can be 
>> accessed by pressing VO + F8.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 11:40, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> You can adjust the pitch of VoiceOver voices as follows:
>> 1.  Press and hold down VO + CMD + Shift, and press one of the arrow keys to 
>> open the VoiceOver Speech Attribute Guide.
>> 2.  While continuing to hold down the VO + CMD + Shift modifiers, use the 
>> right/left arrow keys to select Pitch, and then use the up/down arrow keys 
>> to adjust Pitch to your desired setting.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 11:27, alia robinson > > wrote:
>> 
>> I sort of want to use a different voice beside alex, but I have found on 
>> other voices when it reads certain things, like controls are links and other 
>> items the pitch is way way lower. I know alex does it too, but not to this 
>> awful degree. I can’t find anywhere to tell it to just read everything the 
>> same pitch. this is driving me mad. is there somewhere I can go to 
>> accomplish this. if not I’ll have to stick with alex.
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RE: Request for help in deciding between Intel based and and one MacBook Pro

[Rebecca Skipper]

I think the most important question to ask is what applications is your friend 
going to be using.
Although I am still learning how to use the Mac, you can browse the web, 
complete assignments in Pages or text edit, and write coding.
What major is your friend going into?
If your friend needs Windows then the Intel Mac with Bootcamp might work best, 
but I would strongly recommend staying with the M1 Macs because I suspect that 
Intel Macs will lose support after a while.
My impression is that they are being phased out.
Right now, I am using Mac and Windows.
Before your friend makes any changes, please ask about what apps will be used 
for classes.
I think either operating system would be appropriate for word processing, 
email, 
And web browsing, and I have heard that the mac is preferable for audio 
production.
I have found it harder to get apps for the Mac though I have an iPhone as well.
Hope this helps.
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Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 1:16 PM
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Subject: Request for help in deciding between Intel based and and one MacBook 
Pro

Hello friends,
As per the subject line, I request you to kindly let me know whether my friend 
who is going to transition from Windows to Mac should  acquire an Intel based 
machine or the M1? They need to use it for university studies. I would highly 
appreciate if anyone could kindly share their experience of transitioning from 
Windows to Mac for university studies.
Thank you very much in advance.
Regards, Mohammed Babar Shahzad.

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Request for help in deciding between Intel based and and one MacBook Pro

[muhammad babar Shahzad]

Hello friends,
As per the subject line, I request you to kindly let me know whether my friend 
who is going to transition from Windows to Mac should  acquire an Intel based 
machine or the M1? They need to use it for university studies. I would highly 
appreciate if anyone could kindly share their experience of transitioning from 
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Re: How to Reduce Delay Between Successive Keypresses on Mac

[Luis antónio Marques Caetano]

Hi Tim,
I never used a mac. Just wanted to say that the Windows file explorer
also does that.
The difference seems to be that if you type "j j" quickly, file
explorer would jump to the 2nd item starting with a J, whereas finder
would stay in the 1st, that is if it doesn't complain that there's no
item starting with "JJ".

Greetings.

2022-01-20 16:12 GMT, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
:
> Hi,
>
> No there is not.  The difference between the interface for Mac and Windows
> is that Windows relies only on the first letter, whereas Mac is waiting for
> more letters before it allows you to move on per se.  So, if you wanted to
> jump quickly to Jason, type j a s, whereas if you’d like to move quickly to
> John, type j o.
>
> Later…
>
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
>> On Jan 19, 2022, at 21:47, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>>
>> What I’m referring to is the following example:
>>
>> I’m in the folder view in Mail.
>> I press the “J” key to jump to the first folder starting with that
>> letter.
>> If I want to then type another letter “J” or even if I want to type some
>> other letter, I always have to wait about 3 seconds before it will
>> respond.
>> Unless of course I press a down/up arrow first and then type the new
>> character.
>>
>> That seems very silly to me. Of course, I’m an old Windows user and I
>> liked being able to tap a letter key repeatedly and skipping from one item
>> to the next with that letter to speed up searching.
>>
>> So for all the clever terminal command folks out there, is there a way to
>> significantly shorten the required “dead time” before the Mac will wake up
>> and respond to another keypress?
>>
>> And I’m thinking this is a system-wide restriction, because it exhibits
>> the same behavior in Finder, Dock, and others aside from Mail.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Dave Carlson
>> Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Farfar, Woodworker, and Pioneer
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Re: need help with VO pitch

[alia robinson]

thanks, 

I did all that, and I’m still hearing it. maybe it’s just me lol.

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 1:00 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Alia,
> 
> You need to go to the Voiceover Utility for this.
> 
> Then under speech, and then voices.
> 
> Interact on Customize Language List
> 
> In that massive table you will be able to set the various ways that your 
> default voice acts with various controls. Takes a lot of wandering around, 
> and when done, look for the OK button before you leave.
> 
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> Dave Carlson
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> On Jan 20, 2022, at 9:50 AM, alia robinson  > wrote:
> 
> thanks, I looked at that, and I see where you can change it all, and I did, 
> but it’s still awful. it’s like the voice I choose has a pitch 20% lower for 
> some controls. I think I’m just going to have to go back to alex where it’s 
> less noticable.
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 12:48 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> In case my answer did not correctly address your question, you might want to 
>> explore the Verbosity settings in the VoiceOver Utility, which can be 
>> accessed by pressing VO + F8.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 11:40, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> You can adjust the pitch of VoiceOver voices as follows:
>> 1.  Press and hold down VO + CMD + Shift, and press one of the arrow keys to 
>> open the VoiceOver Speech Attribute Guide.
>> 2.  While continuing to hold down the VO + CMD + Shift modifiers, use the 
>> right/left arrow keys to select Pitch, and then use the up/down arrow keys 
>> to adjust Pitch to your desired setting.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 11:27, alia robinson > > wrote:
>> 
>> I sort of want to use a different voice beside alex, but I have found on 
>> other voices when it reads certain things, like controls are links and other 
>> items the pitch is way way lower. I know alex does it too, but not to this 
>> awful degree. I can’t find anywhere to tell it to just read everything the 
>> same pitch. this is driving me mad. is there somewhere I can go to 
>> accomplish this. if not I’ll have to stick with alex.
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Re: need help with VO pitch

[Dave Carlson]

Alia,

You need to go to the Voiceover Utility for this.

Then under speech, and then voices.

Interact on Customize Language List

In that massive table you will be able to set the various ways that your 
default voice acts with various controls. Takes a lot of wandering around, and 
when done, look for the OK button before you leave.




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On Jan 20, 2022, at 9:50 AM, alia robinson  wrote:

thanks, I looked at that, and I see where you can change it all, and I did, but 
it’s still awful. it’s like the voice I choose has a pitch 20% lower for some 
controls. I think I’m just going to have to go back to alex where it’s less 
noticable.

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 12:48 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> In case my answer did not correctly address your question, you might want to 
> explore the Verbosity settings in the VoiceOver Utility, which can be 
> accessed by pressing VO + F8.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 20, 2022, at 11:40, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> You can adjust the pitch of VoiceOver voices as follows:
> 1.  Press and hold down VO + CMD + Shift, and press one of the arrow keys to 
> open the VoiceOver Speech Attribute Guide.
> 2.  While continuing to hold down the VO + CMD + Shift modifiers, use the 
> right/left arrow keys to select Pitch, and then use the up/down arrow keys to 
> adjust Pitch to your desired setting.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 20, 2022, at 11:27, alia robinson  > wrote:
> 
> I sort of want to use a different voice beside alex, but I have found on 
> other voices when it reads certain things, like controls are links and other 
> items the pitch is way way lower. I know alex does it too, but not to this 
> awful degree. I can’t find anywhere to tell it to just read everything the 
> same pitch. this is driving me mad. is there somewhere I can go to accomplish 
> this. if not I’ll have to stick with alex.
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Re: need help with VO pitch

[alia robinson]

thanks, I looked at that, and I see where you can change it all, and I did, but 
it’s still awful. it’s like the voice I choose has a pitch 20% lower for some 
controls. I think I’m just going to have to go back to alex where it’s less 
noticable.

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 12:48 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> In case my answer did not correctly address your question, you might want to 
> explore the Verbosity settings in the VoiceOver Utility, which can be 
> accessed by pressing VO + F8.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 20, 2022, at 11:40, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> You can adjust the pitch of VoiceOver voices as follows:
> 1.  Press and hold down VO + CMD + Shift, and press one of the arrow keys to 
> open the VoiceOver Speech Attribute Guide.
> 2.  While continuing to hold down the VO + CMD + Shift modifiers, use the 
> right/left arrow keys to select Pitch, and then use the up/down arrow keys to 
> adjust Pitch to your desired setting.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 20, 2022, at 11:27, alia robinson  > wrote:
> 
> I sort of want to use a different voice beside alex, but I have found on 
> other voices when it reads certain things, like controls are links and other 
> items the pitch is way way lower. I know alex does it too, but not to this 
> awful degree. I can’t find anywhere to tell it to just read everything the 
> same pitch. this is driving me mad. is there somewhere I can go to accomplish 
> this. if not I’ll have to stick with alex.
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Re: need help with VO pitch

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In case my answer did not correctly address your question, you might want to 
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by pressing VO + F8.

HTH.

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On Jan 20, 2022, at 11:40, Brad Snyder  wrote:

You can adjust the pitch of VoiceOver voices as follows:
1.  Press and hold down VO + CMD + Shift, and press one of the arrow keys to 
open the VoiceOver Speech Attribute Guide.
2.  While continuing to hold down the VO + CMD + Shift modifiers, use the 
right/left arrow keys to select Pitch, and then use the up/down arrow keys to 
adjust Pitch to your desired setting.

HTH.

- Brad -




On Jan 20, 2022, at 11:27, alia robinson mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I sort of want to use a different voice beside alex, but I have found on other 
voices when it reads certain things, like controls are links and other items 
the pitch is way way lower. I know alex does it too, but not to this awful 
degree. I can’t find anywhere to tell it to just read everything the same 
pitch. this is driving me mad. is there somewhere I can go to accomplish this. 
if not I’ll have to stick with alex.

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Re: need help with VO pitch

[alia robinson]

yes, that helps with main pitch, but when my voice goes to special controls or 
links etc the pitch changes. I see no way to stop this behavior. 

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 12:40 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> You can adjust the pitch of VoiceOver voices as follows:
> 1.  Press and hold down VO + CMD + Shift, and press one of the arrow keys to 
> open the VoiceOver Speech Attribute Guide.
> 2.  While continuing to hold down the VO + CMD + Shift modifiers, use the 
> right/left arrow keys to select Pitch, and then use the up/down arrow keys to 
> adjust Pitch to your desired setting.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 20, 2022, at 11:27, alia robinson  > wrote:
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> I sort of want to use a different voice beside alex, but I have found on 
> other voices when it reads certain things, like controls are links and other 
> items the pitch is way way lower. I know alex does it too, but not to this 
> awful degree. I can’t find anywhere to tell it to just read everything the 
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> this. if not I’ll have to stick with alex.
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Re: need help with VO pitch

[Brad Snyder]

You can adjust the pitch of VoiceOver voices as follows:
1.  Press and hold down VO + CMD + Shift, and press one of the arrow keys to 
open the VoiceOver Speech Attribute Guide.
2.  While continuing to hold down the VO + CMD + Shift modifiers, use the 
right/left arrow keys to select Pitch, and then use the up/down arrow keys to 
adjust Pitch to your desired setting.

HTH.

- Brad -




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I sort of want to use a different voice beside alex, but I have found on other 
voices when it reads certain things, like controls are links and other items 
the pitch is way way lower. I know alex does it too, but not to this awful 
degree. I can’t find anywhere to tell it to just read everything the same 
pitch. this is driving me mad. is there somewhere I can go to accomplish this. 
if not I’ll have to stick with alex.

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need help with VO pitch

[alia robinson]

I sort of want to use a different voice beside alex, but I have found on other 
voices when it reads certain things, like controls are links and other items 
the pitch is way way lower. I know alex does it too, but not to this awful 
degree. I can’t find anywhere to tell it to just read everything the same 
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Re: Some Questions Regarding Pages and Voiceover

[Shannon Dyer]

I didn’t know this was an option. I’ll definitely give it a try.



> On Jan 19, 2022, at 9:52 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> If you are checking the word count often in your document, you can set a hot 
> spot for the word count.
> For example press VO-Shift-5 to set hot spot five.
> You can then check the contents of that hotspot with VO-command-5 without 
> losing your place. 
> THe VO-command (number) commands will read the hot spot in question and not 
> move any cursors. 
> I suppose if you doing this quite often it might be worth while setting a 
> commander to read the hot spot. Option-W or numpad minus are probably easier 
> for most people to type than the standard VO key.
>  
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2022, at 14:05, Shannon Dyer > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you so much! This worked perfectly!
>> 
>> Shannon
>> 
>>> On Jan 17, 2022, at 3:52 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> When in your Pages document, stop interacting with the document area.  Stop 
>>> interacting enough times to hear the tink noise, then VO-left once.  You 
>>> should hear VO say “Word Count, X number of words.”  If it does not, the 
>>> Word counter may not yet be visible, so press cmd-shift-w to make it 
>>> visible.  Notice that it is announced as a menu item.  This means that you 
>>> can VO-space on the word counter item and you will be presented with other 
>>> counters such as the character counter, line counter etc.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jan 17, 2022, at 12:54, Shannon Dyer >>> > wrote:
 
 Good afternoon all,
 
 I’ve been a Mac user for a number of years, but I’ve never been a fan of 
 the word processor Pages. Now though, I need to familiarize myself with it 
 and somehow get comfortable using it. I’m wondering if there are certain 
 settings I need to tweak in order to make VoiceOver work well with the 
 program. Right now, I can create, edit, and save documents, but when I ask 
 for the word count to be displayed, I can’t actually get VoiceOver to read 
 out the count. I’m guessing I’m doing something wrong, but I’m not sure 
 exactly what that might be.
 
 I appreciate any help any of you might be able to offer.
 
 Shannon
 
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Re: How to Reduce Delay Between Successive Keypresses on Mac

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

No there is not.  The difference between the interface for Mac and Windows is 
that Windows relies only on the first letter, whereas Mac is waiting for more 
letters before it allows you to move on per se.  So, if you wanted to jump 
quickly to Jason, type j a s, whereas if you’d like to move quickly to John, 
type j o.

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> On Jan 19, 2022, at 21:47, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> What I’m referring to is the following example:
> 
> I’m in the folder view in Mail.
> I press the “J” key to jump to the first folder starting with that letter.
> If I want to then type another letter “J” or even if I want to type some 
> other letter, I always have to wait about 3 seconds before it will respond.
> Unless of course I press a down/up arrow first and then type the new 
> character.
> 
> That seems very silly to me. Of course, I’m an old Windows user and I liked 
> being able to tap a letter key repeatedly and skipping from one item to the 
> next with that letter to speed up searching.
> 
> So for all the clever terminal command folks out there, is there a way to 
> significantly shorten the required “dead time” before the Mac will wake up 
> and respond to another keypress?
> 
> And I’m thinking this is a system-wide restriction, because it exhibits the 
> same behavior in Finder, Dock, and others aside from Mail.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
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Re: Recording radio programs on an iPhone

[dan d.]

Have you tried recording from an url using your apps to see if it makes a 
difference?
On Wed, 19 Jan 2022, Michael Busboom wrote:

> Hi.
>
> I recently heard a program on local radio that fascinated me. I would like to 
> record it before it disappears. The local radio stations let you listen to 
> the program for up to a week before it is removed from their list of 
> offerings.
>
> I am looking for an app that will enable me to record such offerings and 
> listen to them whenever I would like.  While I own two apps that let me 
> record live radio streams, I don???t have anything that allows me to record 
> audio output that comes directly from a URL.  Your thoughts would be greatly 
> appreciated.
>
> With warm regards from Austria,
>
> Mike
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Re: Help with Combo boxes, radio buttons and pop-up menus in safari.

[Steve Z.]

Hi,
I got it.
I didn’t think of trying it in a different browser this time. It’s something I 
usually do.. That’s a very good idea.
Thank you all.

> 20 Ιαν 2022, 1:02 πμ, ο χρήστης «'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
>> On 19/1/22 15:55, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>> They use to tell me to complain to the developers of the page.
>> They say there are standards for this.
>> So I don't think apple will do something to resolve this issue.
>> 
> If the developers of the Web site aren't following the standards, it isn't 
> Apple's problem. There are real limits to the ability of screen readers to 
> work around failures to implement Web accessibility standards. That's why 
> some Web sites are inaccessible to screen reader users.
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