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Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

2022-01-28 Thread 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries

I found that the way to get past that message about not having permission was 
to swipe to the log in button, double tap and then log in and then go back to 
the email, click again on the link and now I get an option to sign up to the 
group!
Harry

> On 28 Jan 2022, at 21:41, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Well, I don’t have an official invitation yet, but I did try clicking on the 
> link that was in the original message where you could supposedly go and get a 
> group subscription link that way. Except I got the same message that Max did. 
> You don’t have permission to access this content. You can try logging in, but 
> to do that, you must already be subscribed. I really don’t like Google. It’s 
> too bad we can’t go to groups.io.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 28, 2022, at 1:11 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> clicking on the link in the invite email takes me to a 404 error page not 
>> found.
>> Cara clicking on the link in your message to the list says I don’t have 
>> access to that page also.
>> Can anybody give me any pointers?
>> Thanks for any help.
>> Max
>> 
 On 28 Jan 2022, at 11:14 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> hey Max, no worries and you’re not thick! :)
>>> 
>>> yes, go ahead and click on the link in the email to accept the invitation.
>>> 
>>> I haven’t actually seen what the invites look like from the receiving end 
>>> so perhaps someone else here may be of more help regarding the actual 
>>> wording of the links in the invitation.
>>> 
>>> -But yes, you will need to accept the invitation to be a part of the group.
>>> 
>>> If you need any more help, please feel free to write me directly and we can 
>>> go from there.
>>> 
>>> Best of luck!
>>> 
>>> Cheers!
>>> 
>>> Cara
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> On Jan 27, 2022, at 2:43 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
 
 hi,
 I am a bit thick I know! If we receive an invitation does that mean we 
 then click on the link to join?
 Or is this not necessary?
 Max.
 
> On 27 Jan 2022, at 11:19 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I have some good news!
> 
> Mark and I have started VIPhone, The Next Generation. :)
> 
> For now at least, this list will pick up where VIPhone left off. At least 
> until Google decides to review us. -Then we’ll see what happens from 
> there.
> 
> Over the next few days, Mark and I will be inviting all of the original 
> members of VIPhone. So if you wish, you need only wait for your 
> invitation. This will take a few days because we are limited in the 
> amount of invites we can send out each day.
> 
> For those who would rather request a group subscription directly, here is 
> the link to the group page.
> 
> https://groups.google.com/g/viphone2
> 
> I know this is not the smoothest solution, but we’re a great group of 
> people and we will adapt! :) -And maybe even make this a better list than 
> what we had. You never know! :) -Either way, let’s all enjoy the new list!
> 
> Thanks very much to you all for your patience and please let me wish you 
> all a lovely day / evening, wherever you may be!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
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Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

2022-01-28 Thread Karen Lewellen

actually, I am not personally joining, but hopefully that solution will
help those with link issues.

Karen

On Fri, 28 Jan 2022, joseph hudson wrote:

Try sending a message with the word subscribe to the following email address.

viphone2+subscr...@googlegroups.com

On Jan 28, 2022, at 4:18 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

I will add that previously one could subscribe via e-mail instead of visiting
the google groups site at all.
I am guessing this is gone, especially given google's desire to track everyone
these days.
would freelists.org be a possibility?
Karen

On Fri, 28 Jan 2022, Mary Otten wrote:

Well, I don’t have an official invitation yet, but I did try clicking on the
link that was in the original message where you could supposedly go and get a
group subscription link that way. Except I got the same message that Max did.
You don’t have permission to access this content. You can try logging in, but
to do that, you must already be subscribed. I really don’t like Google. It’s
too bad we can’t go to groups.io.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 28, 2022, at 1:11 PM, Agent086b wrote:

Hi,
clicking on the link in the invite email takes me to a 404 error page not found.
Cara clicking on the link in your message to the list says I don’t have access
to that page also.
Can anybody give me any pointers?
Thanks for any help.
Max

On 28 Jan 2022, at 11:14 am, Cara Quinn wrote:

hey Max, no worries and you’re not thick! :)

yes, go ahead and click on the link in the email to accept the invitation.

I haven’t actually seen what the invites look like from the receiving end so
perhaps someone else here may be of more help regarding the actual wording of
the links in the invitation.

-But yes, you will need to accept the invitation to be a part of the group.

If you need any more help, please feel free to write me directly and we can go
from there.

Best of luck!

Cheers!

Cara

On Jan 27, 2022, at 2:43 PM, Agent086b wrote:

hi,
I am a bit thick I know! If we receive an invitation does that mean we then
click on the link to join?
Or is this not necessary?
Max.

On 27 Jan 2022, at 11:19 am, Cara Quinn wrote:

Hi All,

I have some good news!

Mark and I have started VIPhone, The Next Generation. :)

For now at least, this list will pick up where VIPhone left off. At least until
Google decides to review us. -Then we’ll see what happens from there.

Over the next few days, Mark and I will be inviting all of the original members
of VIPhone. So if you wish, you need only wait for your invitation. This will
take a few days because we are limited in the amount of invites we can send out
each day.

For those who would rather request a group subscription directly, here is the
link to the group page.

https://groups.google.com/g/viphone2

I know this is not the smoothest solution, but we’re a great group of people
and we will adapt! :) -And maybe even make this a better list than what we had.
You never know! :) -Either way, let’s all enjoy the new list!

Thanks very much to you all for your patience and please let me wish you all a
lovely day / evening, wherever you may be!

Cheers!

Cara

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RE: Discovered something I hadn't found online recently on my Apple TV

2022-01-28 Thread M. Taylor

This is great info, Joseph.  

I will definitely use it.

Mark



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of joseph hodge
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2022 4:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Discovered something I hadn't found online recently on my Apple TV

I know this list is primarily for the Mac but we also sometimes talk about 
other products from Apple. Hoping this helps someone out there that may have 
found themselves in the same situation I was in. I recently bought an Apple TV 
with a new Siri remote. I didn't really like the touch gestures in that you 
have to do them in this ring. So I turn touch off which led me to a new problem 
how can I close apps in the app switcher? When pulling up the app switcher by 
pressing the home button twice on the remote voiceover still indicates that you 
have to use the rotor and flick up from actions of course since you've disable 
touch this does not work. What does work though is just pressing up twice on 
the circle pad. It closes apps fine. I'm wondering why Apple doesn't actually 
indicate this to you when you change that setting as voiceover should be able 
to detect if touch is off? Anyway hope this helps have a great day everyone!

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Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

2022-01-28 Thread joseph hudson

Try sending a message with the word subscribe to the following email address.

viphone2+subscr...@googlegroups.com

> On Jan 28, 2022, at 4:18 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> I will add that previously one could subscribe via e-mail instead of visiting 
> the google groups site at all.
> I am guessing this is gone,  especially given google's desire to track 
> everyone these days.
> would freelists.org be a possibility?
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2022, Mary Otten wrote:
> 
>> Well, I don’t have an official invitation yet, but I did try clicking on the 
>> link that was in the original message where you could supposedly go and get 
>> a group subscription link that way. Except I got the same message that Max 
>> did. You don’t have permission to access this content. You can try logging 
>> in, but to do that, you must already be subscribed. I really don’t like 
>> Google. It’s too bad we can’t go to groups.io.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 28, 2022, at 1:11 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> clicking on the link in the invite email takes me to a 404 error page not 
>>> found.
>>> Cara clicking on the link in your message to the list says I don’t have 
>>> access to that page also.
>>> Can anybody give me any pointers?
>>> Thanks for any help.
>>> Max
>>> 
 On 28 Jan 2022, at 11:14 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:
 
 hey Max, no worries and you’re not thick! :)
 
 yes, go ahead and click on the link in the email to accept the invitation.
 
 I haven’t actually seen what the invites look like from the receiving end 
 so perhaps someone else here may be of more help regarding the actual 
 wording of the links in the invitation.
 
 -But yes, you will need to accept the invitation to be a part of the group.
 
 If you need any more help, please feel free to write me directly and we 
 can go from there.
 
 Best of luck!
 
 Cheers!
 
 Cara
 
 
 
>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 2:43 PM, Agent086b  
>> wrote:
> 
> hi,
> I am a bit thick I know! If we receive an invitation does that mean we 
> then click on the link to join?
> Or is this not necessary?
> Max.
> 
>> On 27 Jan 2022, at 11:19 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I have some good news!
>> 
>> Mark and I have started VIPhone, The Next Generation. :)
>> 
>> For now at least, this list will pick up where VIPhone left off. At 
>> least until Google decides to review us. -Then we’ll see what happens 
>> from there.
>> 
>> Over the next few days, Mark and I will be inviting all of the original 
>> members of VIPhone. So if you wish, you need only wait for your 
>> invitation. This will take a few days because we are limited in the 
>> amount of invites we can send out each day.
>> 
>> For those who would rather request a group subscription directly, here 
>> is the link to the group page.
>> 
>> https://groups.google.com/g/viphone2
>> 
>> I know this is not the smoothest solution, but we’re a great group of 
>> people and we will adapt! :) -And maybe even make this a better list 
>> than what we had. You never know! :) -Either way, let’s all enjoy the 
>> new list!
>> 
>> Thanks very much to you all for your patience and please let me wish you 
>> all a lovely day / evening, wherever you may be!
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
>> 
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Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

2022-01-28 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

It would probably be less costly to run your own e-mail server and host the 
list there. My personal e-mail is on a server that I manage, hosted at 
linode.com.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Cara Quinn 
Date: Friday, 28January, 2022 at 19:27
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
Cc: Cara Quinn 
Subject: Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone
HI All,

Just as a general reply, Mark and I will definitely see what we can do to try 
to figure out what is going on.

My sincere apologies for the inconvenience.

As I said, we are still considering moving the list but we have more research 
to do.

Just to give you an idea, at present with our current list membership, Groups 
IO would charge us approx. $1200 per year to host VIPhone there and this goes 
up as more folks join. I’m really not wanting to ask for donations so while the 
cost is not prohibitive, we’d certainly love something a bit cheaper with a 
decent feature set if we can get it. :)

It would also take quite a while to add everyone as Groups IO has more 
stringent limits on how many people can directly be added / invited each day.

Lastly, I’ve sent their customer service a note several days ago now and still 
have not seen a response.

So right now, Google is still the best option in the short-term until we find a 
better solution. Trust me, we are still looking! :)

Anyway, thanks to you all and once again, Mark and I will look into these 
issues ya’ll are seeing and see what we can do.

Please have a great weekend and please do feel free to direct any more 
questions or issues you’re finding directly to me or Mark. This way we should 
see them a bit faster.

Thanks so much!

Cheers!

Cara

> On Jan 28, 2022, at 3:18 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>
> I will add that previously one could subscribe via e-mail instead of visiting 
> the google groups site at all.
> I am guessing this is gone,  especially given google's desire to track 
> everyone these days.
> would freelists.org be a possibility?
> Karen
>
>
>
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2022, Mary Otten wrote:
>
>> Well, I don’t have an official invitation yet, but I did try clicking on the 
>> link that was in the original message where you could supposedly go and get 
>> a group subscription link that way. Except I got the same message that Max 
>> did. You don’t have permission to access this content. You can try logging 
>> in, but to do that, you must already be subscribed. I really don’t like 
>> Google. It’s too bad we can’t go to groups.io.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 28, 2022, at 1:11 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> clicking on the link in the invite email takes me to a 404 error page not 
>>> found.
>>> Cara clicking on the link in your message to the list says I don’t have 
>>> access to that page also.
>>> Can anybody give me any pointers?
>>> Thanks for any help.
>>> Max
>>>
 On 28 Jan 2022, at 11:14 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:

 hey Max, no worries and you’re not thick! :)

 yes, go ahead and click on the link in the email to accept the invitation.

 I haven’t actually seen what the invites look like from the receiving end 
 so perhaps someone else here may be of more help regarding the actual 
 wording of the links in the invitation.

 -But yes, you will need to accept the invitation to be a part of the group.

 If you need any more help, please feel free to write me directly and we 
 can go from there.

 Best of luck!

 Cheers!

 Cara

>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 2:43 PM, Agent086b  
>> wrote:
>
> hi,
> I am a bit thick I know! If we receive an invitation does that mean we 
> then click on the link to join?
> Or is this not necessary?
> Max.
>
>> On 27 Jan 2022, at 11:19 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I have some good news!
>>
>> Mark and I have started VIPhone, The Next Generation. :)
>>
>> For now at least, this list will pick up where VIPhone left off. At 
>> least until Google decides to review us. -Then we’ll see what happens 
>> from there.
>>
>> Over the next few days, Mark and I will be inviting all of the original 
>> members of VIPhone. So if you wish, you need only wait for your 
>> invitation. This will take a few days because we are limited in the 
>> amount of invites we can send out each day.
>>
>> For those who would rather request a group subscription directly, here 
>> is the link to the group page.
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/g/viphone2
>>
>> I know this is not the smoothest solution, but we’re a great group of 
>> people and we will adapt! :) -And maybe even make this a better list 
>> than what we had. You never know! :) -Either way, let’s all enjoy the 
>> new list!
>>
>> Thanks very much to you all for your patience and please let me wish you 
>> all a lovely day / evening,

Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

2022-01-28 Thread Cara Quinn

HI All,

Just as a general reply, Mark and I will definitely see what we can do to try 
to figure out what is going on.

My sincere apologies for the inconvenience.

As I said, we are still considering moving the list but we have more research 
to do.

Just to give you an idea, at present with our current list membership, Groups 
IO would charge us approx. $1200 per year to host VIPhone there and this goes 
up as more folks join. I’m really not wanting to ask for donations so while the 
cost is not prohibitive, we’d certainly love something a bit cheaper with a 
decent feature set if we can get it. :)

It would also take quite a while to add everyone as Groups IO has more 
stringent limits on how many people can directly be added / invited each day.

Lastly, I’ve sent their customer service a note several days ago now and still 
have not seen a response.

So right now, Google is still the best option in the short-term until we find a 
better solution. Trust me, we are still looking! :)

Anyway, thanks to you all and once again, Mark and I will look into these 
issues ya’ll are seeing and see what we can do.

Please have a great weekend and please do feel free to direct any more 
questions or issues you’re finding directly to me or Mark. This way we should 
see them a bit faster.

Thanks so much!

Cheers!

Cara

> On Jan 28, 2022, at 3:18 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> I will add that previously one could subscribe via e-mail instead of visiting 
> the google groups site at all.
> I am guessing this is gone,  especially given google's desire to track 
> everyone these days.
> would freelists.org be a possibility?
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2022, Mary Otten wrote:
> 
>> Well, I don’t have an official invitation yet, but I did try clicking on the 
>> link that was in the original message where you could supposedly go and get 
>> a group subscription link that way. Except I got the same message that Max 
>> did. You don’t have permission to access this content. You can try logging 
>> in, but to do that, you must already be subscribed. I really don’t like 
>> Google. It’s too bad we can’t go to groups.io.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 28, 2022, at 1:11 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> clicking on the link in the invite email takes me to a 404 error page not 
>>> found.
>>> Cara clicking on the link in your message to the list says I don’t have 
>>> access to that page also.
>>> Can anybody give me any pointers?
>>> Thanks for any help.
>>> Max
>>> 
 On 28 Jan 2022, at 11:14 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:

 hey Max, no worries and you’re not thick! :)

 yes, go ahead and click on the link in the email to accept the invitation.

 I haven’t actually seen what the invites look like from the receiving end 
 so perhaps someone else here may be of more help regarding the actual 
 wording of the links in the invitation.

 -But yes, you will need to accept the invitation to be a part of the group.

 If you need any more help, please feel free to write me directly and we 
 can go from there.

 Best of luck!

 Cheers!

 Cara

>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 2:43 PM, Agent086b  
>> wrote:
> 
> hi,
> I am a bit thick I know! If we receive an invitation does that mean we 
> then click on the link to join?
> Or is this not necessary?
> Max.
> 
>> On 27 Jan 2022, at 11:19 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I have some good news!
>> 
>> Mark and I have started VIPhone, The Next Generation. :)
>> 
>> For now at least, this list will pick up where VIPhone left off. At 
>> least until Google decides to review us. -Then we’ll see what happens 
>> from there.
>> 
>> Over the next few days, Mark and I will be inviting all of the original 
>> members of VIPhone. So if you wish, you need only wait for your 
>> invitation. This will take a few days because we are limited in the 
>> amount of invites we can send out each day.
>> 
>> For those who would rather request a group subscription directly, here 
>> is the link to the group page.
>> 
>> https://groups.google.com/g/viphone2
>> 
>> I know this is not the smoothest solution, but we’re a great group of 
>> people and we will adapt! :) -And maybe even make this a better list 
>> than what we had. You never know! :) -Either way, let’s all enjoy the 
>> new list!
>> 
>> Thanks very much to you all for your patience and please let me wish you 
>> all a lovely day / evening, wherever you may be!
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
>> 
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>> Visionaries list.
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Mac Arabic Keyboard?

2022-01-28 Thread Fazil M.

Hi, Group.

When typing Arabic in Mac, how can I have the letters:

Daal & zaal?

Thanks!

 

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Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

2022-01-28 Thread Karen Lewellen

I will add that previously one could subscribe via e-mail instead of
visiting the google groups site at all.
I am guessing this is gone, especially given google's desire to track
everyone these days.

would freelists.org be a possibility?
Karen

On Fri, 28 Jan 2022, Mary Otten wrote:

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 28, 2022, at 1:11 PM, Agent086b wrote:

On 28 Jan 2022, at 11:14 am, Cara Quinn wrote:

hey Max, no worries and you’re not thick! :)

yes, go ahead and click on the link in the email to accept the invitation.

I haven’t actually seen what the invites look like from the receiving end so
perhaps someone else here may be of more help regarding the actual wording of
the links in the invitation.

-But yes, you will need to accept the invitation to be a part of the group.

If you need any more help, please feel free to write me directly and we can go
from there.

Best of luck!

Cheers!

Cara

On Jan 27, 2022, at 2:43 PM, Agent086b wrote:

hi,
I am a bit thick I know! If we receive an invitation does that mean we then
click on the link to join?
Or is this not necessary?
Max.

On 27 Jan 2022, at 11:19 am, Cara Quinn wrote:

Hi All,

I have some good news!

Mark and I have started VIPhone, The Next Generation. :)

For now at least, this list will pick up where VIPhone left off. At least until
Google decides to review us. -Then we’ll see what happens from there.

For those who would rather request a group subscription directly, here is the
link to the group page.

https://groups.google.com/g/viphone2

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Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

2022-01-28 Thread Mary Otten

Well, I don’t have an official invitation yet, but I did try clicking on the 
link that was in the original message where you could supposedly go and get a 
group subscription link that way. Except I got the same message that Max did. 
You don’t have permission to access this content. You can try logging in, but 
to do that, you must already be subscribed. I really don’t like Google. It’s 
too bad we can’t go to groups.io.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 28, 2022, at 1:11 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> clicking on the link in the invite email takes me to a 404 error page not 
> found.
> Cara clicking on the link in your message to the list says I don’t have 
> access to that page also.
> Can anybody give me any pointers?
> Thanks for any help.
> Max
> 
>> On 28 Jan 2022, at 11:14 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>> 
>> hey Max, no worries and you’re not thick! :)
>> 
>> yes, go ahead and click on the link in the email to accept the invitation.
>> 
>> I haven’t actually seen what the invites look like from the receiving end so 
>> perhaps someone else here may be of more help regarding the actual wording 
>> of the links in the invitation.
>> 
>> -But yes, you will need to accept the invitation to be a part of the group.
>> 
>> If you need any more help, please feel free to write me directly and we can 
>> go from there.
>> 
>> Best of luck!
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On Jan 27, 2022, at 2:43 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi,
>>> I am a bit thick I know! If we receive an invitation does that mean we then 
>>> click on the link to join?
>>> Or is this not necessary?
>>> Max.
>>> 
 On 27 Jan 2022, at 11:19 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:

 Hi All,

 I have some good news!

 Mark and I have started VIPhone, The Next Generation. :)

 For now at least, this list will pick up where VIPhone left off. At least 
 until Google decides to review us. -Then we’ll see what happens from there.

 Over the next few days, Mark and I will be inviting all of the original 
 members of VIPhone. So if you wish, you need only wait for your 
 invitation. This will take a few days because we are limited in the amount 
 of invites we can send out each day.

 For those who would rather request a group subscription directly, here is 
 the link to the group page.

 https://groups.google.com/g/viphone2

 I know this is not the smoothest solution, but we’re a great group of 
 people and we will adapt! :) -And maybe even make this a better list than 
 what we had. You never know! :) -Either way, let’s all enjoy the new list!

 Thanks very much to you all for your patience and please let me wish you 
 all a lovely day / evening, wherever you may be!

 Cheers!

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Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

2022-01-28 Thread Agent086b

Hi,
clicking on the link in the invite email takes me to a 404 error page not found.
Cara clicking on the link in your message to the list says I don’t have access 
to that page also.
Can anybody give me any pointers?
Thanks for any help.
Max

> On 28 Jan 2022, at 11:14 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> hey Max, no worries and you’re not thick! :)
> 
> yes, go ahead and click on the link in the email to accept the invitation.
> 
> I haven’t actually seen what the invites look like from the receiving end so 
> perhaps someone else here may be of more help regarding the actual wording of 
> the links in the invitation.
> 
> -But yes, you will need to accept the invitation to be a part of the group.
> 
> If you need any more help, please feel free to write me directly and we can 
> go from there.
> 
> Best of luck!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 2:43 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
>> 
>> hi,
>> I am a bit thick I know! If we receive an invitation does that mean we then 
>> click on the link to join?
>> Or is this not necessary?
>> Max.
>> 
>>> On 27 Jan 2022, at 11:19 am, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> I have some good news!
>>> 
>>> Mark and I have started VIPhone, The Next Generation. :)
>>> 
>>> For now at least, this list will pick up where VIPhone left off. At least 
>>> until Google decides to review us. -Then we’ll see what happens from there.
>>> 
>>> Over the next few days, Mark and I will be inviting all of the original 
>>> members of VIPhone. So if you wish, you need only wait for your invitation. 
>>> This will take a few days because we are limited in the amount of invites 
>>> we can send out each day.
>>> 
>>> For those who would rather request a group subscription directly, here is 
>>> the link to the group page.
>>> 
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/viphone2
>>> 
>>> I know this is not the smoothest solution, but we’re a great group of 
>>> people and we will adapt! :) -And maybe even make this a better list than 
>>> what we had. You never know! :) -Either way, let’s all enjoy the new list!
>>> 
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>>> all a lovely day / evening, wherever you may be!
>>> 
>>> Cheers!
>>> 
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Re: Microsoft edge has new window.

2022-01-28 Thread Anders Holmberg

Hi!
It helps a bit.
I don’t know if one can tell accessibility about it.
I guess its more a edge or chrome issue.
/A

> 28 jan. 2022 kl. 13:43 skrev Jonathan Cohn :
> 
> When I hear this message in Firefox it seems to be when a tool tip is being 
> displayed. You might be able to reduce the occurrence by turning off mouse 
> follows VoiceOver cursor in VoiceOver Utility. This  should at least cut back 
> on onHover events.
> HTH!
> Jonathan 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 23:08, Dave Carlson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Anders,
>> 
>> I was using Edge for quite a while over the past couple years, and was not 
>> able to figure a way to stop that announcement. I just got used to it.
>> 
>> Sorry. I’m now using Safari again, but for other reasons.
>> 
>> Do you find it impossible to navigate inside tables using Edge? I could 
>> never make it work.
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Farfar, Woodworker, and Pioneer
>> 
>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 4:00 PM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Every now and then I  VoiceOver is saying that microsoft has new window.
>> It annoys me both with speech and braille as it interrupts my reading.
>> Can I get rid of it in some way?
>> I have the same issue with google chrome but not with safari or firefox.
>> I don’t like it.
>> /A
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Re: Apple Mail Question

2022-01-28 Thread Jonathan Cohn

Hello,
I was going to suggest using a voiceOver search or the item chooser to find any 
collapsed item in the mailbox list, but I can't get this to work on my system 
running MacOS 12.2. Anybody out there running MacOS 12.1 who can test?

1. press VO-J until in the Mailbox list.
2. press VO-I tobring up item chooser.
3. type cloud 

When I did this, I expected to find my iCloud folder, but only found messages.
Strange.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jan 27, 2022, at 02:02, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I have another Apple mail question. I have 2 email accounts, gmail and 
> iCloud. once in awhile I want to go and dig an email out of the trash or at 
> least look at it. I can find the trash for gmail but not for iCloud. pressing 
> right arrow to expand the trash doesn't seem to do any good. where is the 
> iCloud trash? this is in Monterey.
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 11:43 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, it sounds like your student has Column View enabled, and you do not.
>> Actually, I much prefer Column View, but that is an individual choice.
>> 
>> Column View can be enabled/disabled by going to the Menu Bar > View, and 
>> pressing the Down Arrow until you get to Column View.  Now press the Enter 
>> key to either select (check) or deselect (uncheck) as you prefer.
>> 
>> As Herbie stated, make sure that your student has QuickNav turned off, or 
>> uses the VO modifier when navigating, after interacting with the Mailbox 
>> contents table.
>> Note:  With QuickNav turned off, the Mailbox contents table may be navigated 
>> without interacting with the table.  The same is true for the Mailbox list.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 23:17, Herbie Allen > > wrote:
>> 
>> Make sure use column layout is unchecked in the view menu. If quicknav is 
>> off, then she should be able to go through the mail list without interacting.
>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 20:16, Holly Jensen >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I am teaching a student how to access mail with Voiceover on her Mac. When 
>>> she interacts with the table that holds her mail messages, she gets this 
>>> table with a lot of columns. When I do it on my Mac, it only reads the 
>>> subject and then the preview. for the life of me, I cannot remember how I 
>>> set it up to do that, or if I even did. She is running OSX Big Sir. Any 
>>> advice would be appreciated.
>>> 
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Re: Microsoft edge has new window.

2022-01-28 Thread Jonathan Cohn

When I hear this message in Firefox it seems to be when a tool tip is being 
displayed. You might be able to reduce the occurrence by turning off mouse 
follows VoiceOver cursor in VoiceOver Utility. This  should at least cut back 
on onHover events.
HTH!
Jonathan 


> On Jan 27, 2022, at 23:08, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Anders,
> 
> I was using Edge for quite a while over the past couple years, and was not 
> able to figure a way to stop that announcement. I just got used to it.
> 
> Sorry. I’m now using Safari again, but for other reasons.
> 
> Do you find it impossible to navigate inside tables using Edge? I could never 
> make it work.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Farfar, Woodworker, and Pioneer
> 
> On Jan 27, 2022, at 4:00 PM, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Every now and then I  VoiceOver is saying that microsoft has new window.
> It annoys me both with speech and braille as it interrupts my reading.
> Can I get rid of it in some way?
> I have the same issue with google chrome but not with safari or firefox.
> I don’t like it.
> /A
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Discovered something I hadn't found online recently on my Apple TV

2022-01-28 Thread joseph hodge

I know this list is primarily for the Mac but we also sometimes talk about 
other products from Apple. Hoping this helps someone out there that may have 
found themselves in the same situation I was in. I recently bought an Apple TV 
with a new Siri remote. I didn't really like the touch gestures in that you 
have to do them in this ring. So I turn touch off which led me to a new problem 
how can I close apps in the app switcher? When pulling up the app switcher by 
pressing the home button twice on the remote voiceover still indicates that you 
have to use the rotor and flick up from actions of course since you've disable 
touch this does not work. What does work though is just pressing up twice on 
the circle pad. It closes apps fine. I'm wondering why Apple doesn't actually 
indicate this to you when you change that setting as voiceover should be able 
to detect if touch is off? Anyway hope this helps have a great day everyone!

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Re: Apple Pay

2022-01-28 Thread joseph hodge

I asked my sister this yesterday because she works for Walmart in their 
Internet portion and it’s still that way here. The crazy thing for me is that 
she told me in their stores they are literally using iPhones to do their 
stocking of shelves now they no longer use separate scanners. So I love the 
hypocrisy that they’re using here and that we can use iPhones for scanning in 
our products but we can’t use iPhones for Apple Pay.  The crazier part to me is 
that ultimately they’re putting the scanning of products in for inventory on 
the workers requiring them to use their own cell phone. She wasn’t clear of 
android had scanning apps I assume they do she only knew about iPhone having 
them.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 28, 2022, at 12:17 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi. Interesting that y'all in the States can't use Apple Pay At Walmart. I 
> live in Winnipeg Canada and the Walmarts here finally started allowing Apple 
> Pay as an option. So yeah, I use it all the time and like Kawal, I mostly use 
> my watch for it unless it's charging at which point I use my iPhone SE 2020.
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>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 9:10 AM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> No you cannot use apple pay at walmart. The only way to do contactless 
>> payments is thru the walmart pay app. 
>> 
>> Greg Wocher
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 7:52 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A lot changes in the span of a year. Or, maybe that cashier was 
>>> ill-informed. At any rate I’ll bet you can use Apple Pay at Walmart I would 
>>> be shocked if you couldn’t. As far as at the self check outs don’t know 
>>> about that. But I’ve never used the self checkouts anyway I don’t see why 
>>> they wouldn’t.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 25, 2022, at 5:45 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
 
 ApplePay is accepted at Target.
 Target also provides free Aira access, which also is not provided at 
 Walmart.
 
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> On Jan 25, 2022, at 2:28 PM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> About a year ago, a WalMart Cashier told me that they did not do Apple 
> Pay.
> 
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 2:38 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Good information to have. As I haven't done this yet before. But I might 
>> the next time that I have to try to pay for something. Does anybody know 
>> if these work at the self checkouts? That would be awesome if it did. 
>> And I'm talking at places such as Walmart. Or even Sam's.
>> 
>>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 8:04 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> And by “point “, Joseph means put the phone within a few inches of the 
>>> card reader. I don’t think simply aiming the phone at the reader does 
>>> any good because they are “Nearfield readers “.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 25, 2022, at 1:04 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 oh ok. so that's what that double click thing was about when I was 
 setting up. thanks.
 
> On Jan 24, 2022, at 7:47 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
> 
> Lorie, if you double click the home button, with the screen locked, 
> there will be an Apple Pay interface that pops up. You'll want to 
> point your phone at the register with the Apple Pay symbol on it.
> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 6:19 PM, Lorie McCloud  
>>> wrote:
>> 
>> How do I use Apple pay on my phone in a store or restaurant?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: Microsoft edge has new window.

2022-01-28 Thread Anders Holmberg

Hi Dave!
Actually I haven’t tried that yet.
But I will see if I can get to a table to test.
I guess I have to live with the message that pops up every now and then.
/A

> 28 jan. 2022 kl. 05:08 skrev Dave Carlson :
> 
> Anders,
> 
> I was using Edge for quite a while over the past couple years, and was not 
> able to figure a way to stop that announcement. I just got used to it.
> 
> Sorry. I’m now using Safari again, but for other reasons.
> 
> Do you find it impossible to navigate inside tables using Edge? I could never 
> make it work.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Farfar, Woodworker, and Pioneer
> 
> On Jan 27, 2022, at 4:00 PM, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Every now and then I  VoiceOver is saying that microsoft has new window.
> It annoys me both with speech and braille as it interrupts my reading.
> Can I get rid of it in some way?
> I have the same issue with google chrome but not with safari or firefox.
> I don’t like it.
> /A
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