Re: To All iOS VoiceOver Users, Twitter Spaces is Accessible, Give It a Try

[Kliph]

did you just go to twitter.com  and look for spaces, how 
did you get to it from your mac?

> On Mar 7, 2022, at 11:15 AM, Fazil M.  wrote:
> 
> I used it for the first and Voila, it worked!
> 
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> Behalf Of Kliph
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2022 8:55 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: To All iOS VoiceOver Users, Twitter Spaces is Accessible, Give 
> It a Try
> 
> have you tried it from your Mac?  I would love to have access from it there 
> so i can do my podcast live there if it works.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 5, 2022, at 10:31 AM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> I have been using Twitter Spaces on my iPhone 12 Pro Max as well. I found it 
>> to be very easily accessed in my Twitter app. I have a Sony WH1000XN4 and 
>> did not experience the spacial audio that I did in clubhouse but perhaps 
>> there is a setting I have not tweaked yet. I did however find Spaces to be 
>> both accessible and enjoyable.
>> Merv
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 5, 2022, at 1:43 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All:  
>>> 
>>> This past week, I have been giving Twitter Spaces a test drive and I 
>>> am so excited to recommend it to all iOS VoiceOver users.
>>> 
>>> First, I am going to paste in some text from a 9 to 5 Mac article, 
>>> written last year, that summarizes the Twitter Spaces feature:
>>> 
>>> Begin Article fragment:
>>> Twitter now lets users join Spaces via desktop and mobile web 
>>> browsers By Filipe Espósito, 9 to 5 Mac.
>>> Spaces is a live audio chat platform developed by Twitter, which was 
>>> officially introduced earlier this year as an alternative to 
>>> Clubhouse. As Spaces is now available to most users of the social 
>>> network, Twitter is finally expanding the feature to desktop and mobile web 
>>> browsers.
>>> Twitter confirmed in April this year that it was working on bringing 
>>> Spaces to web browsers, as the platform was only available on 
>>> Twitter’s official iOS and Android apps. Starting today, users will 
>>> also be able to join Spaces using a web browser, whether on a computer, 
>>> tablet, or smartphone.
>>> According to the company, the feature is still considered beta, which 
>>> means that it has some limitations when compared to Spaces in the Twitter 
>>> app.
>>> Right now, the focus areas are infrastructure, user interface, 
>>> scheduled Spaces, and accessibility features.
>>> End Article Fragment.
>>> 
>>> As I write this, I feel almost overwhelmed because I am finding it 
>>> difficult to introduce you to a new feature that is, at first glance, 
>>> not intuitive or VoiceOver accessible.  So what should I do?  I’ll 
>>> try to express my thoughts in a numbered list:
>>> 
>>> 1.
>>> Twitter is absolutely dedicated to making Spaces VoiceOver accessible.
>>> While I am not at liberty to expand on this, please trust me when I 
>>> say that all Apple VoiceOver user feedback is being considered on a daily 
>>> basis.
>>> This is truly one of the most exciting moments for us, as VoiceOver 
>>> users in terms of having Twitter’s full attention.  So, please try 
>>> the new feature and send feedback to Twitter.
>>> 
>>> 2.
>>> For those who may not know, in its simplest form, a live audio chat 
>>> feature means that anyone can open a audio channel, and talk about 
>>> anything and, while the chat is live, others can listen-in and join 
>>> the conversation.  For example, if I just wanted to express myself, 
>>> on Twitter, using my voice, I could open a Space, type in a brief 
>>> description of the subject, and begin talking.  As my audio streams, 
>>> others on Twitter will be alerted to the fact that there is a live 
>>> Space, currently active, and they could listen in and ask me for 
>>> permission to speak.  Just a few minutes ago, I opened the Spaces tab 
>>> in my Twitter app, and discovered that one live Space has people 
>>> discussing how to get money back from friends who do not want to 
>>> repay the loan.  Another Space is discussing the best Elvis Presley 
>>> performances of all time.  Yet another space is talking about the best 
>>> episodes of Start Trek.  I see one, right now, talking about the Crimean 
>>> war.
>>> 
>>> 3.
>>> Currently, the Twitter Spaces full-feature set is Available for iOS, 
>>> only; not iPad OS.
>>> 
>>> 4.
>>> In the Twitter app, select the Spaces tab.  VoiceOver users must use 
>>> the swiping gesture in order to scroll down the list of live Spaces.
>>> 
>>> 5.
>>> As you swipe through the list, you will hear VoiceOver say, Button” 
>>> several times.  You will also hear, “Posted by”.  Listen for the 
>>> posted by phrase because immediately following that will be a description 
>>> of the Space.
>>> Understand that Twitter has no control over how someone writes their 
>>> description so if they cannot spell correctly or use a bad 
>>> description, that will be reflected in VoiceOver’s output.
>>> 
>>> 

RE: Adding Language Revisited, (Tim Kilburn)

[Fazil M.]

Thanks much, Tim, now it is working fine again as Automatically Detect was not 
selected.

You are a Magician, Tim! *smile*.

 

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2022 9:36 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Adding Language Revisited, (Tim Kilburn)

 

Hi,

 

I’ve pasted in part of our conversation.  This handles the adding of languages 
in System Prefs which should not have been affected by a VoiceOver reset.  
Those languages are somewhat independent of VO, although connected in other 
ways.  Do you have your Voice set to Automatically detect new languages?  Press 
VO-cmd-shift-left or right until you hear VO say “Voice”, and make sure you’ve 
selected the Automatically Detect item.

 

Anyway, here’s the pasted in info:

 

The only Hindi voices I’ve seen in VoiceOver are Lekha and Neel.  In the VO 
Utility, go to Speech, then VO-space on the current voice menu item, and down 
to Customize.  In the Search field, type Hindi, and you’ll find what they have 
to offer at this point in time.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Feb 8, 2022, at 18:36, Fazil M. mailto:mfa...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Thank you very much, Tim, I have successfully added Hindi and Voiceover is 
reading Hindi now!

Can I see whether we have more voices for Hindi? If yes, where can I see that, 
please?

Thanks again!

Thanks!

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2022 2:01 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Adding a Language?

 

Hi,

 

It’s in System Preferences, Languages & Region.  You should have a button in 
this pane that says “Add a preferred language”.  A list of supported languages 
will come up in a table.  Hinki is one of them.  As my Mac read through them, 
it would read them out in their native tongue, then say Russian, or Hungarian, 
or Hindi etc.  Hindi is one of the languages within this table.  It does not 
appear to be alphabetical so you’ll likely have to go down a ways to find Hindi.

 

HTH.

 

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Mar 7, 2022, at 10:29, Fazil M. mailto:mfa...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Hi, Group.

Lately, I reset my Voiceover to factory default and my added languages are not 
working ever since.

A couple of weeks ago, Tim Kilburn told me how to add more languages and I 
added Hindi and Arabic and Voiceover were recognizing those languages just fine.

I can not find that message of Tim’s in which he told me how to add a language. 
If someone still has that message, I would like to have a copy of that, please?

Thanks!

 

 

 

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Re: To All iOS VoiceOver Users, Twitter Spaces is Accessible, Give It a Try

['Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries]

What Mac App did you use? Or did you use Safari?
I used the Twitter native app on my iPhone and it was a very good experience.
Merv


> On Mar 7, 2022, at 12:15 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:
> 
> I used it for the first and Voila, it worked!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Kliph
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2022 8:55 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: To All iOS VoiceOver Users, Twitter Spaces is Accessible, Give 
> It a Try
> 
> have you tried it from your Mac?  I would love to have access from it there 
> so i can do my podcast live there if it works.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 5, 2022, at 10:31 AM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> I have been using Twitter Spaces on my iPhone 12 Pro Max as well. I found it 
>> to be very easily accessed in my Twitter app. I have a Sony WH1000XN4 and 
>> did not experience the spacial audio that I did in clubhouse but perhaps 
>> there is a setting I have not tweaked yet. I did however find Spaces to be 
>> both accessible and enjoyable.
>> Merv
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 5, 2022, at 1:43 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All:  
>>> 
>>> This past week, I have been giving Twitter Spaces a test drive and I 
>>> am so excited to recommend it to all iOS VoiceOver users.
>>> 
>>> First, I am going to paste in some text from a 9 to 5 Mac article, 
>>> written last year, that summarizes the Twitter Spaces feature:
>>> 
>>> Begin Article fragment:
>>> Twitter now lets users join Spaces via desktop and mobile web 
>>> browsers By Filipe Espósito, 9 to 5 Mac.
>>> Spaces is a live audio chat platform developed by Twitter, which was 
>>> officially introduced earlier this year as an alternative to 
>>> Clubhouse. As Spaces is now available to most users of the social 
>>> network, Twitter is finally expanding the feature to desktop and mobile web 
>>> browsers.
>>> Twitter confirmed in April this year that it was working on bringing 
>>> Spaces to web browsers, as the platform was only available on 
>>> Twitter’s official iOS and Android apps. Starting today, users will 
>>> also be able to join Spaces using a web browser, whether on a computer, 
>>> tablet, or smartphone.
>>> According to the company, the feature is still considered beta, which 
>>> means that it has some limitations when compared to Spaces in the Twitter 
>>> app.
>>> Right now, the focus areas are infrastructure, user interface, 
>>> scheduled Spaces, and accessibility features.
>>> End Article Fragment.
>>> 
>>> As I write this, I feel almost overwhelmed because I am finding it 
>>> difficult to introduce you to a new feature that is, at first glance, 
>>> not intuitive or VoiceOver accessible.  So what should I do?  I’ll 
>>> try to express my thoughts in a numbered list:
>>> 
>>> 1.
>>> Twitter is absolutely dedicated to making Spaces VoiceOver accessible.
>>> While I am not at liberty to expand on this, please trust me when I 
>>> say that all Apple VoiceOver user feedback is being considered on a daily 
>>> basis.
>>> This is truly one of the most exciting moments for us, as VoiceOver 
>>> users in terms of having Twitter’s full attention.  So, please try 
>>> the new feature and send feedback to Twitter.
>>> 
>>> 2.
>>> For those who may not know, in its simplest form, a live audio chat 
>>> feature means that anyone can open a audio channel, and talk about 
>>> anything and, while the chat is live, others can listen-in and join 
>>> the conversation.  For example, if I just wanted to express myself, 
>>> on Twitter, using my voice, I could open a Space, type in a brief 
>>> description of the subject, and begin talking.  As my audio streams, 
>>> others on Twitter will be alerted to the fact that there is a live 
>>> Space, currently active, and they could listen in and ask me for 
>>> permission to speak.  Just a few minutes ago, I opened the Spaces tab 
>>> in my Twitter app, and discovered that one live Space has people 
>>> discussing how to get money back from friends who do not want to 
>>> repay the loan.  Another Space is discussing the best Elvis Presley 
>>> performances of all time.  Yet another space is talking about the best 
>>> episodes of Start Trek.  I see one, right now, talking about the Crimean 
>>> war.
>>> 
>>> 3.
>>> Currently, the Twitter Spaces full-feature set is Available for iOS, 
>>> only; not iPad OS.
>>> 
>>> 4.
>>> In the Twitter app, select the Spaces tab.  VoiceOver users must use 
>>> the swiping gesture in order to scroll down the list of live Spaces.
>>> 
>>> 5.
>>> As you swipe through the list, you will hear VoiceOver say, Button” 
>>> several times.  You will also hear, “Posted by”.  Listen for the 
>>> posted by phrase because immediately following that will be a description 
>>> of the Space.
>>> Understand that Twitter has no control over how someone writes their 
>>> description so if they cannot spell correctly or use a bad 
>>> description, that will be reflected in 

Re: Adding Language Revisited, (Tim Kilburn)

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I’ve pasted in part of our conversation.  This handles the adding of languages 
in System Prefs which should not have been affected by a VoiceOver reset.  
Those languages are somewhat independent of VO, although connected in other 
ways.  Do you have your Voice set to Automatically detect new languages?  Press 
VO-cmd-shift-left or right until you hear VO say “Voice”, and make sure you’ve 
selected the Automatically Detect item.

Anyway, here’s the pasted in info:

> The only Hindi voices I’ve seen in VoiceOver are Lekha and Neel.  In the VO 
> Utility, go to Speech, then VO-space on the current voice menu item, and down 
> to Customize.  In the Search field, type Hindi, and you’ll find what they 
> have to offer at this point in time.
> 
> Later…
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 18:36, Fazil M. > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you very much, Tim, I have successfully added Hindi and Voiceover is 
>> reading Hindi now!
>> Can I see whether we have more voices for Hindi? If yes, where can I see 
>> that, please?
>> Thanks again!
>> Thanks!
>>  
>> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries > > 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2022 2:01 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Adding a Language?
>>  
>> Hi,
>>  
>> It’s in System Preferences, Languages & Region.  You should have a button in 
>> this pane that says “Add a preferred language”.  A list of supported 
>> languages will come up in a table.  Hinki is one of them.  As my Mac read 
>> through them, it would read them out in their native tongue, then say 
>> Russian, or Hungarian, or Hindi etc.  Hindi is one of the languages within 
>> this table.  It does not appear to be alphabetical so you’ll likely have to 
>> go down a ways to find Hindi.
>>  
>> HTH.
>>  
>> Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Mar 7, 2022, at 10:29, Fazil M.  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Group.
> Lately, I reset my Voiceover to factory default and my added languages are 
> not working ever since.
> A couple of weeks ago, Tim Kilburn told me how to add more languages and I 
> added Hindi and Arabic and Voiceover were recognizing those languages just 
> fine.
> I can not find that message of Tim’s in which he told me how to add a 
> language. If someone still has that message, I would like to have a copy of 
> that, please?
> Thanks!
>  
>  
> 
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Adding Language Revisited, (Tim Kilburn)

[Fazil M.]

Hi, Group.

Lately, I reset my Voiceover to factory default and my added languages are
not working ever since.

A couple of weeks ago, Tim Kilburn told me how to add more languages and I
added Hindi and Arabic and Voiceover were recognizing those languages just
fine.

I can not find that message of Tim's in which he told me how to add a
language. If someone still has that message, I would like to have a copy of
that, please?

Thanks!

 

 

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RE: To All iOS VoiceOver Users, Twitter Spaces is Accessible, Give It a Try

[Fazil M.]

I used it for the first and Voila, it worked!

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Kliph
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2022 8:55 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: To All iOS VoiceOver Users, Twitter Spaces is Accessible, Give It 
a Try

have you tried it from your Mac?  I would love to have access from it there so 
i can do my podcast live there if it works.


> On Mar 5, 2022, at 10:31 AM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> I have been using Twitter Spaces on my iPhone 12 Pro Max as well. I found it 
> to be very easily accessed in my Twitter app. I have a Sony WH1000XN4 and did 
> not experience the spacial audio that I did in clubhouse but perhaps there is 
> a setting I have not tweaked yet. I did however find Spaces to be both 
> accessible and enjoyable.
> Merv
> 
> 
>> On Mar 5, 2022, at 1:43 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All:  
>> 
>> This past week, I have been giving Twitter Spaces a test drive and I 
>> am so excited to recommend it to all iOS VoiceOver users.
>> 
>> First, I am going to paste in some text from a 9 to 5 Mac article, 
>> written last year, that summarizes the Twitter Spaces feature:
>> 
>> Begin Article fragment:
>> Twitter now lets users join Spaces via desktop and mobile web 
>> browsers By Filipe Espósito, 9 to 5 Mac.
>> Spaces is a live audio chat platform developed by Twitter, which was 
>> officially introduced earlier this year as an alternative to 
>> Clubhouse. As Spaces is now available to most users of the social 
>> network, Twitter is finally expanding the feature to desktop and mobile web 
>> browsers.
>> Twitter confirmed in April this year that it was working on bringing 
>> Spaces to web browsers, as the platform was only available on 
>> Twitter’s official iOS and Android apps. Starting today, users will 
>> also be able to join Spaces using a web browser, whether on a computer, 
>> tablet, or smartphone.
>> According to the company, the feature is still considered beta, which 
>> means that it has some limitations when compared to Spaces in the Twitter 
>> app.
>> Right now, the focus areas are infrastructure, user interface, 
>> scheduled Spaces, and accessibility features.
>> End Article Fragment.
>> 
>> As I write this, I feel almost overwhelmed because I am finding it 
>> difficult to introduce you to a new feature that is, at first glance, 
>> not intuitive or VoiceOver accessible.  So what should I do?  I’ll 
>> try to express my thoughts in a numbered list:
>> 
>> 1.
>> Twitter is absolutely dedicated to making Spaces VoiceOver accessible.
>> While I am not at liberty to expand on this, please trust me when I 
>> say that all Apple VoiceOver user feedback is being considered on a daily 
>> basis.
>> This is truly one of the most exciting moments for us, as VoiceOver 
>> users in terms of having Twitter’s full attention.  So, please try 
>> the new feature and send feedback to Twitter.
>> 
>> 2.
>> For those who may not know, in its simplest form, a live audio chat 
>> feature means that anyone can open a audio channel, and talk about 
>> anything and, while the chat is live, others can listen-in and join 
>> the conversation.  For example, if I just wanted to express myself, 
>> on Twitter, using my voice, I could open a Space, type in a brief 
>> description of the subject, and begin talking.  As my audio streams, 
>> others on Twitter will be alerted to the fact that there is a live 
>> Space, currently active, and they could listen in and ask me for 
>> permission to speak.  Just a few minutes ago, I opened the Spaces tab 
>> in my Twitter app, and discovered that one live Space has people 
>> discussing how to get money back from friends who do not want to 
>> repay the loan.  Another Space is discussing the best Elvis Presley 
>> performances of all time.  Yet another space is talking about the best 
>> episodes of Start Trek.  I see one, right now, talking about the Crimean war.
>> 
>> 3.
>> Currently, the Twitter Spaces full-feature set is Available for iOS, 
>> only; not iPad OS.
>> 
>> 4.
>> In the Twitter app, select the Spaces tab.  VoiceOver users must use 
>> the swiping gesture in order to scroll down the list of live Spaces.
>> 
>> 5.
>> As you swipe through the list, you will hear VoiceOver say, Button” 
>> several times.  You will also hear, “Posted by”.  Listen for the 
>> posted by phrase because immediately following that will be a description of 
>> the Space.
>> Understand that Twitter has no control over how someone writes their 
>> description so if they cannot spell correctly or use a bad 
>> description, that will be reflected in VoiceOver’s output.
>> 
>> 6.
>> Entering a Space is easy and launching your own live Space is easy, 
>> also.  I suggest that you search the web for the various features of 
>> Spaces for more detail.
>> 
>> 7.
>> Twitter Spaces is free for both listening and hosting.
>> 
>> 8.
>> Twitter Spaces can be scheduled 

Re: To All iOS VoiceOver Users, Twitter Spaces is Accessible, Give It a Try

[Kliph]

have you tried it from your Mac?  I would love to have access from it there so 
i can do my podcast live there if it works.


> On Mar 5, 2022, at 10:31 AM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> I have been using Twitter Spaces on my iPhone 12 Pro Max as well. I found it 
> to be very easily accessed in my Twitter app. I have a Sony WH1000XN4 and did 
> not experience the spacial audio that I did in clubhouse but perhaps there is 
> a setting I have not tweaked yet. I did however find Spaces to be both 
> accessible and enjoyable.
> Merv
> 
> 
>> On Mar 5, 2022, at 1:43 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All:  
>> 
>> This past week, I have been giving Twitter Spaces a test drive and I am so
>> excited to recommend it to all iOS VoiceOver users.
>> 
>> First, I am going to paste in some text from a 9 to 5 Mac article, written
>> last year, that summarizes the Twitter Spaces feature:
>> 
>> Begin Article fragment:
>> Twitter now lets users join Spaces via desktop and mobile web browsers
>> By Filipe Espósito, 9 to 5 Mac.
>> Spaces is a live audio chat platform developed by Twitter, which was
>> officially introduced earlier this year as an alternative to Clubhouse. As
>> Spaces is now available to most users of the social network, Twitter is
>> finally expanding the feature to desktop and mobile web browsers.
>> Twitter confirmed in April this year that it was working on bringing Spaces
>> to web browsers, as the platform was only available on Twitter’s official
>> iOS and Android apps. Starting today, users will also be able to join Spaces
>> using a web browser, whether on a computer, tablet, or smartphone.
>> According to the company, the feature is still considered beta, which means
>> that it has some limitations when compared to Spaces in the Twitter app.
>> Right now, the focus areas are infrastructure, user interface, scheduled
>> Spaces, and accessibility features.
>> End Article Fragment.
>> 
>> As I write this, I feel almost overwhelmed because I am finding it difficult
>> to introduce you to a new feature that is, at first glance, not intuitive or
>> VoiceOver accessible.  So what should I do?  I’ll try to express my thoughts
>> in a numbered list:
>> 
>> 1.
>> Twitter is absolutely dedicated to making Spaces VoiceOver accessible.
>> While I am not at liberty to expand on this, please trust me when I say that
>> all Apple VoiceOver user feedback is being considered on a daily basis.
>> This is truly one of the most exciting moments for us, as VoiceOver users in
>> terms of having Twitter’s full attention.  So, please try the new feature
>> and send feedback to Twitter.
>> 
>> 2.
>> For those who may not know, in its simplest form, a live audio chat feature
>> means that anyone can open a audio channel, and talk about anything and,
>> while the chat is live, others can listen-in and join the conversation.  For
>> example, if I just wanted to express myself, on Twitter, using my voice, I
>> could open a Space, type in a brief description of the subject, and begin
>> talking.  As my audio streams, others on Twitter will be alerted to the fact
>> that there is a live Space, currently active, and they could listen in and
>> ask me for permission to speak.  Just a few minutes ago, I opened the Spaces
>> tab in my Twitter app, and discovered that one live Space has people
>> discussing how to get money back from friends who do not want to repay the
>> loan.  Another Space is discussing the best Elvis Presley performances of
>> all time.  Yet another space is talking about the best episodes of Start
>> Trek.  I see one, right now, talking about the Crimean war.
>> 
>> 3.
>> Currently, the Twitter Spaces full-feature set is Available for iOS, only;
>> not iPad OS.
>> 
>> 4.
>> In the Twitter app, select the Spaces tab.  VoiceOver users must use the
>> swiping gesture in order to scroll down the list of live Spaces.
>> 
>> 5.
>> As you swipe through the list, you will hear VoiceOver say, Button” several
>> times.  You will also hear, “Posted by”.  Listen for the posted by phrase
>> because immediately following that will be a description of the Space.
>> Understand that Twitter has no control over how someone writes their
>> description so if they cannot spell correctly or use a bad description, that
>> will be reflected in VoiceOver’s output.
>> 
>> 6.
>> Entering a Space is easy and launching your own live Space is easy, also.  I
>> suggest that you search the web for the various features of Spaces for more
>> detail.
>> 
>> 7.
>> Twitter Spaces is free for both listening and hosting.
>> 
>> 8.
>> Twitter Spaces can be scheduled for future broadcasts.
>> 
>> 9.
>> Twitter Spaces can be recorded so that people can listen at a later time.
>> 
>> 10.
>> Any Twitter user can host a Space.
>> 
>> 11.
>> I intend to host a great number of Spaces in which we can discuss
>> technology, screen readers, Braille, etc.
>> 
>> 12.
>> My twitter handle is @MarkMarcus.  If you want to be 

Re: Question about batterys

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Good idea Brad.  Thanks.

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> On Mar 7, 2022, at 09:28, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> In my experience, the VO + CMD + Shift + Spacebar, Mouse Down command, may 
> work in some situations where the VO + Shift + Spacebar command  does not.  
> Of course, this requires that the command be performed a second time to 
> release the Mouse Down action.
> 
> May be worth a try. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 7, 2022, at 10:12, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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> Hi,
> 
> VO-shit-space performs a virtual click.  Although, it sometimes does not 
> accept that action as the actual physical mouse-click.  Most often it does, 
> but I’ve seen it where the physical click is required.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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>> On Mar 6, 2022, at 23:46, Fazil M. > > wrote:
>> 
>> What is the Voiceover command to click the mouse/trackpad?
>> Thanks!
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Re: Question about batterys

[Brad Snyder]

In my experience, the VO + CMD + Shift + Spacebar, Mouse Down command, may work 
in some situations where the VO + Shift + Spacebar command  does not.  Of 
course, this requires that the command be performed a second time to release 
the Mouse Down action.

May be worth a try. 

- Brad -




On Mar 7, 2022, at 10:12, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

VO-shit-space performs a virtual click.  Although, it sometimes does not accept 
that action as the actual physical mouse-click.  Most often it does, but I’ve 
seen it where the physical click is required.

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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> What is the Voiceover command to click the mouse/trackpad?
> Thanks!
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Re: Question about batterys

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

VO-shit-space performs a virtual click.  Although, it sometimes does not accept 
that action as the actual physical mouse-click.  Most often it does, but I’ve 
seen it where the physical click is required.

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Re: Braille Displays

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

I use the aphmantis Q40 which I really like 

> On 5 Mar 2022, at 00:03, Holly Jensen  wrote:
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> I am wondering what kind of braille display everyone uses. I am hoping to 
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> even possible. Many thanks.
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