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Re: Zoom Meeting

2022-06-15 Thread Julie Rattray

It shouldn’t matter if you click on the link in the invite it should let you in 
anyway 

I have been using zoom lots for work so if you have any issues just yell - once 
you have it set the way you want it tends to work well

If I remember you have a braille display and one of the things I find really 
useful with a braille display is that you can mute speech but still navigate 
around without the speech getting in the way of what you are listening to in 
the meeting etc 

I think brad’s idea of a test meeting with yourself is a good one but if you 
want to do a test with a person do yell 

> On 14 Jun 2022, at 17:39, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Brad,
>   Thanks, I will do this shortly. I am reminded of something I should ask. 
> Dow it matter which email is tied to my Zoom account? The meeting invite will 
> come to a different email address.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
> will make violent revolution inevitable."
> --John F. Kennedy
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/14/2022 7:21 AM, Brad Snyder wrote:
>> You should be able to start a practice meeting using your PMI.
>> I recommend doing this because the Mac will ask that you grant permissions 
>> for using the microphone and camera.  I also recommend you try doing a 
>> screen share and/or computer audio share, because the Mac will ask you to 
>> grant permissions to allow screen recording in order to do this.
>> You should also go through Zoom preferences, especially audio, and make sure 
>> things are set to your liking.
>> I also recommend that before starting a meeting, you go into Audio 
>> preferences, and make sure your preferred input and output devices are 
>> selected.
>> It is a good idea to do this every-time you start a meeting until you are 
>> confident that Zoom has learned your preferences.
>> HTH.
>> - Brad -
>> On Jun 14, 2022, at 09:02, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>>   Zoom is installed on my devices but I have not used it so far. I will in a 
>> couple weeks so am looking for tips. Likely will use the Mac. Is there a 
>> test mode where I can check it out and become familiar with it? Thanks.
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>> --John F. Kennedy
>> My e-Mail:
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Re: a security / privacy settings question.

2022-06-15 Thread Karen Lewellen

Understood now, and noted.
may just leave it alone as it is less critical then say, logging in at
all laughs.

On Tue, 14 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:

In iOS, you cannot download apps from third-party sites, you have no choice but
to use the App store. As a result, every app is vetted by Apple before
submission. The other result is that if someone wants you to run they're
program, they have to submit the app directly to Apple. The Mac however is a
different animal. We can use Safari to download directly and the system is not
directly sandboxed. Take Zoom. To use it on the iPhone, App store, no other
way though it might work through Safari. However, there is no Zoom app on the
Mac App store. There are some things that will work with Zoom, but if you want
the actual program the company provides, you have to go to there website. It’s
a safe app to download, but I don’t know if you restrict your downloads if that
one would work for instance. My point though is that if you only download apps
from people you know, then you don’t have to worry about security measures that
may or may not hamper your Mac experience.

On Jun 14, 2022, at 21:35, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Is not that what is meant by trusted developers though? My understanding is
that limiting downloads can protect you from bugs and viruses.
I know nothing about the IOS store, having no iPhone.

On Tue, 14 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:

I think the possible time goes into the hours. As for the app store apps, keep
in mind that the Mac app store is not like the one for iOS. I suppose m1 users
might have a bit more flex-ability in this manner with Catalyst, but I would
not want to limit my app download options for the Mac since most will come from
third-party sites.

On Jun 14, 2022, at 20:08, Karen Lewellen wrote:

hi folks,
I may wait to address this, but since my hmemate and I will be addressing the
log in password request happening every time a awaken the mac tomorrow, thought
I would ask about this.
I understand from another, and far more informed apple accessibility team
member that I can either turn off the password request, or decide how often I
want the request to happen, anyone have an idea how much time is possible?
Also, thoughts on the safety of allowing downloads only from the apple store,
and trusted developers?
Thanks,
Kare

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Re: a security / privacy settings question.

2022-06-15 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries

Hi,

There are trusted developers that are built in to the system, as well as you 
being able to tell the MacOS if you want to “Trust” a specific web-site for 
downloads.  Leaving the setting to App Store and Trusted Developers is your 
best option.  Regarding the locking of the screen after sleep or screen saver, 
yes, indeed this can be configured.  I’ll preface this by saying that when you 
disable this feature, you are leaving your Mac open to security breaches.  That 
being said, if you are comfortable with that risk, or have other physical 
reasons for preferring your Mac not to behave this way, then the setting is in 
the Security & Privacy pane of System Preferences under the General tab.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 15, 2022, at 08:26, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Understood now, and noted.
> may just leave it alone  as it is  less critical then say, logging in at all  
> laughs.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 14 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:
> 
>> In iOS, you cannot download apps from third-party sites, you have no choice 
>> but to use the App store. As a result, every app is vetted by Apple before 
>> submission. The other result is that if someone wants you to run they're 
>> program, they have to submit the app directly to Apple. The Mac however is a 
>>  different animal. We can use Safari to download directly and the system is 
>> not directly sandboxed. Take Zoom. To use it on the iPhone, App  store, no 
>> other way though it might work through Safari. However, there is no Zoom app 
>> on the Mac App store. There are some things that will work with Zoom, but if 
>> you want the actual program the company provides, you have to go to there 
>> website. It’s a safe app to download, but I don’t know if you restrict your 
>> downloads if that one would work for instance. My point though is that if 
>> you only download apps from people you know, then you don’t have to worry 
>> about security measures that may or may not hamper your Mac experience.
>> 
>>> On Jun 14, 2022, at 21:35, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is not that what is meant by trusted developers though?  My understanding 
>>> is that limiting downloads can protect   you from bugs and viruses.
>>> I know nothing about the IOS store, having no iPhone.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 14 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:
>>> 
 I think the possible time goes into the hours. As for the app store apps, 
 keep in mind that the Mac app store is not like the one for iOS. I suppose 
 m1 users might have a bit more flex-ability in this manner with Catalyst, 
 but I would not want to limit my app download options for the Mac since 
 most will come from third-party sites.
 
> On Jun 14, 2022, at 20:08, Karen Lewellen  
> wrote:
> 
> hi folks,
> I may wait to address this, but since my hmemate and I will be addressing 
> the log in password request happening every time a awaken the mac 
> tomorrow, thought I would ask about this.
> I understand from another, and far more informed apple accessibility team 
> member that I can either turn off the password request, or decide how 
> often I want the request to happen, anyone have an idea how much time is 
> possible?
> Also, thoughts on the safety of allowing downloads only from the apple 
> store, and  trusted developers?
> Thanks,
> Kare
> 
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Re: Obsolete Email Address

2022-06-15 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries

Hi,

The default Mail account setting is found in Settings, Mail then it’s the last 
item on that screen.  When sending an eMail and if you’d rather it be sent from 
a different account than the default, swipe right until you hear the account 
announced.  It is between the To and cc fields.  Double-tap on that, then swipe 
right again until you hear the account announced with the word “Button” at the 
end.  Double-tap on that and you should be presented with the choices of 
accounts you can send the message from.  Double-tap on the one you wish to use. 
 That should do it.

HTH.

Later…


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Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 14, 2022, at 16:33, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   I poked around some more. I found a 'clear recents' item and tapped it. But 
> then I had trouble trying to choose an account to send to. It definitely is 
> being sent from the default account. I need to get a handle on selecting 
> another account. How can I ensure my other accounts are available here?
> 
>   It seems messy but I want to learn the different share options. I ended u 
> saving a file to iCloud Drive.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
> will make violent revolution inevitable."
> --John F. Kennedy
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/14/2022 2:51 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi,
>> In Mail settings, where it says something about the default sending address, 
>> is it still happen to be there?
>> Later…
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> On Jun 14, 2022, at 12:31, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>   On m iPhone I just tried to share from an app and sent it to one of my 
>>> addresses. It shows as undeliverable. The From field shows an old address 
>>> no longer in use.
>>> 
>>>   I cannot find where to delete this old address. I looked in Mail settings 
>>> but only see my valid addresses/accounts.  Thanks.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>>> --John F. Kennedy
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
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Re: Obsolete Email Address

2022-06-15 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries

Hi,

I primarily have all my contacts within my iCloud account, so mostly use the 
contacts from there.  It kind of depends on where you have contacts within your 
various accounts.  I do sync my contacts with my work eMail account, but don’t 
bother syncing with some other accounts that are used for more specific 
reasons.  Totally your call.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
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Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 14, 2022, at 16:44, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Thinking... in efforts to move away from Windows and more deeply into Apple 
> devices, am I correct that I should ADD my accounts to my contacts? I have a 
> feeling I missed something. I need to go eat and then get back to this.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
> will make violent revolution inevitable."
> --John F. Kennedy
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/14/2022 2:51 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi,
>> In Mail settings, where it says something about the default sending address, 
>> is it still happen to be there?
>> Later…
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> On Jun 14, 2022, at 12:31, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>   On m iPhone I just tried to share from an app and sent it to one of my 
>>> addresses. It shows as undeliverable. The From field shows an old address 
>>> no longer in use.
>>> 
>>>   I cannot find where to delete this old address. I looked in Mail settings 
>>> but only see my valid addresses/accounts.  Thanks.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>>> --John F. Kennedy
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>> 
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Re: a security / privacy settings question.

2022-06-15 Thread Karen Lewellen


Tim,
Thanks as always.
When I spoke to apple accessibility I asked a question.
since voiceover is not providing input, if one is new to the mac, or used 
to  a larger keyboard, mistakes are quite likely.
however, what happens if someone cannot type at all?  the system does not 
let you speak your password either, which speaking personally seems like 
rather a barrier for those experiencing motor challenges.
While I respect the risk idea, I am more bothered by the noninclusive 
nature of the door if that resonates.
If I could say set the requirement for once every 90 days, giving me more 
time to either manage this keyboard or add an external  one it would be 
one thing.
As it is now, the problem prevents me from moving forward, and I cannot 
resonate with that  situation.

Kare



On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

There are trusted developers that are built in to the system, as well as you being 
able to tell the MacOS if you want to ???Trust??? a specific web-site for 
downloads.  Leaving the setting to App Store and Trusted Developers is your best 
option.  Regarding the locking of the screen after sleep or screen saver, yes, 
indeed this can be configured.  I???ll preface this by saying that when you disable 
this feature, you are leaving your Mac open to security breaches.  That being said, 
if you are comfortable with that risk, or have other physical reasons for 
preferring your Mac not to behave this way, then the setting is in the Security 
& Privacy pane of System Preferences under the General tab.

Later???


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 15, 2022, at 08:26, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Understood now, and noted.
may just leave it alone  as it is  less critical then say, logging in at all  
laughs.



On Tue, 14 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:


In iOS, you cannot download apps from third-party sites, you have no choice but 
to use the App store. As a result, every app is vetted by Apple before 
submission. The other result is that if someone wants you to run they're 
program, they have to submit the app directly to Apple. The Mac however is a  
different animal. We can use Safari to download directly and the system is not 
directly sandboxed. Take Zoom. To use it on the iPhone, App  store, no other 
way though it might work through Safari. However, there is no Zoom app on the 
Mac App store. There are some things that will work with Zoom, but if you want 
the actual program the company provides, you have to go to there website. 
It???s a safe app to download, but I don???t know if you restrict your 
downloads if that one would work for instance. My point though is that if you 
only download apps from people you know, then you don???t have to worry about 
security measures that may or may not hamper your Mac experience.


On Jun 14, 2022, at 21:35, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Is not that what is meant by trusted developers though?  My understanding is 
that limiting downloads can protect   you from bugs and viruses.
I know nothing about the IOS store, having no iPhone.



On Tue, 14 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:


I think the possible time goes into the hours. As for the app store apps, keep 
in mind that the Mac app store is not like the one for iOS. I suppose m1 users 
might have a bit more flex-ability in this manner with Catalyst, but I would 
not want to limit my app download options for the Mac since most will come from 
third-party sites.


On Jun 14, 2022, at 20:08, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

hi folks,
I may wait to address this, but since my hmemate and I will be addressing the 
log in password request happening every time a awaken the mac tomorrow, thought 
I would ask about this.
I understand from another, and far more informed apple accessibility team 
member that I can either turn off the password request, or decide how often I 
want the request to happen, anyone have an idea how much time is possible?
Also, thoughts on the safety of allowing downloads only from the apple store, 
and  trusted developers?
Thanks,
Kare




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Re: a security / privacy settings question.

2022-06-15 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries

Hi,

Whether it’s a VoiceOver user or a sighted user, they will not be able to see 
what is being entered.  Yes, on some web-sites, there is a “Show Password” 
option, but this is not the case for the Login screen.  You do bring up some 
good points, although I’m not sure I know a workaround for them.  Even with 
newer versions of the computer, and newer versions of the MacOS there are 
things like the fingerprint sensor.  The limitation here is still that the full 
entry of the password is required after restart or logout for security reasons. 
 I will need to check with someone at Apple if there’s some other way that I’m 
not aware of that would allow for password entry for someone with dexterity 
challenges.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 15, 2022, at 09:18, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Tim,
> Thanks as always.
> When I spoke to apple accessibility I asked a question.
> since voiceover is not providing input, if one is new to the mac, or used to  
> a larger keyboard, mistakes are quite likely.
> however, what happens if someone cannot type at all?  the system does not let 
> you speak your password either, which speaking personally seems like rather a 
> barrier for those experiencing motor challenges.
> While I respect the risk idea, I am more bothered by the noninclusive nature 
> of the door if that resonates.
> If I could say set the requirement for once every 90 days, giving me more 
> time to either manage this keyboard or add an external  one it would be one 
> thing.
> As it is now, the problem prevents me from moving forward, and I cannot 
> resonate with that  situation.
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> There are trusted developers that are built in to the system, as well as you 
>> being able to tell the MacOS if you want to “Trust” a specific web-site for 
>> downloads.  Leaving the setting to App Store and Trusted Developers is your 
>> best option.  Regarding the locking of the screen after sleep or screen 
>> saver, yes, indeed this can be configured.  I’ll preface this by saying that 
>> when you disable this feature, you are leaving your Mac open to security 
>> breaches.  That being said, if you are comfortable with that risk, or have 
>> other physical reasons for preferring your Mac not to behave this way, then 
>> the setting is in the Security & Privacy pane of System Preferences under 
>> the General tab.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 15, 2022, at 08:26, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Understood now, and noted.
>>> may just leave it alone  as it is  less critical then say, logging in at 
>>> all  laughs.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 14 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:
>>> 
 In iOS, you cannot download apps from third-party sites, you have no 
 choice but to use the App store. As a result, every app is vetted by Apple 
 before submission. The other result is that if someone wants you to run 
 they're program, they have to submit the app directly to Apple. The Mac 
 however is a  different animal. We can use Safari to download directly and 
 the system is not directly sandboxed. Take Zoom. To use it on the iPhone, 
 App  store, no other way though it might work through Safari. However, 
 there is no Zoom app on the Mac App store. There are some things that will 
 work with Zoom, but if you want the actual program the company provides, 
 you have to go to there website. It’s a safe app to download, but I don’t 
 know if you restrict your downloads if that one would work for instance. 
 My point though is that if you only download apps from people you know, 
 then you don’t have to worry about security measures that may or may not 
 hamper your Mac experience.
 
> On Jun 14, 2022, at 21:35, Karen Lewellen  
> wrote:
> 
> Is not that what is meant by trusted developers though?  My understanding 
> is that limiting downloads can protect   you from bugs and viruses.
> I know nothing about the IOS store, having no iPhone.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 14 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:
> 
>> I think the possible time goes into the hours. As for the app store 
>> apps, keep in mind that the Mac app store is not like the one for iOS. I 
>> suppose m1 users might have a bit more flex-ability in this manner with 
>> Catalyst, but I would not want to limit my app download options for the 
>> Mac since most will come from third-party sites.
>> 
>>> On Jun 14, 2022, at 20:08, Karen Lewellen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi folks,
>>> I may wait to address this, but since my hmemate and I will be 
>>> addres

Re: a security / privacy settings question.

2022-06-15 Thread Karen Lewellen


hi Tim,
Please share what you learn.  Just got off the phone with main apple 
support, the time window is only 8 hours, which is just not  suitable for 
me as I learn this machine.
As shared I have no issues with the data  not being presented, with 
practice I will likely be fine.
but as I just shared with my apple rep, you expect someone like the late 
Stephen Hawking to  have someone  provide his log in password every 8 
hours?
If there is not an existing work-around for that population, one should be 
created, even if hidden in the  security privacy  area, an alternative way 
to provide password  at log in, or something of that sort.

best,
Karen



On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

Whether it???s a VoiceOver user or a sighted user, they will not be able to see 
what is being entered.  Yes, on some web-sites, there is a ???Show Password??? 
option, but this is not the case for the Login screen.  You do bring up some 
good points, although I???m not sure I know a workaround for them.  Even with 
newer versions of the computer, and newer versions of the MacOS there are 
things like the fingerprint sensor.  The limitation here is still that the full 
entry of the password is required after restart or logout for security reasons. 
 I will need to check with someone at Apple if there???s some other way that 
I???m not aware of that would allow for password entry for someone with 
dexterity challenges.

Later???


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 15, 2022, at 09:18, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Tim,
Thanks as always.
When I spoke to apple accessibility I asked a question.
since voiceover is not providing input, if one is new to the mac, or used to  a 
larger keyboard, mistakes are quite likely.
however, what happens if someone cannot type at all?  the system does not let 
you speak your password either, which speaking personally seems like rather a 
barrier for those experiencing motor challenges.
While I respect the risk idea, I am more bothered by the noninclusive nature of 
the door if that resonates.
If I could say set the requirement for once every 90 days, giving me more time 
to either manage this keyboard or add an external  one it would be one thing.
As it is now, the problem prevents me from moving forward, and I cannot 
resonate with that  situation.
Kare



On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

There are trusted developers that are built in to the system, as well as you being 
able to tell the MacOS if you want to ???Trust??? a specific web-site for 
downloads.  Leaving the setting to App Store and Trusted Developers is your best 
option.  Regarding the locking of the screen after sleep or screen saver, yes, 
indeed this can be configured.  I???ll preface this by saying that when you disable 
this feature, you are leaving your Mac open to security breaches.  That being said, 
if you are comfortable with that risk, or have other physical reasons for 
preferring your Mac not to behave this way, then the setting is in the Security 
& Privacy pane of System Preferences under the General tab.

Later???


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 15, 2022, at 08:26, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Understood now, and noted.
may just leave it alone  as it is  less critical then say, logging in at all  
laughs.



On Tue, 14 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:


In iOS, you cannot download apps from third-party sites, you have no choice but 
to use the App store. As a result, every app is vetted by Apple before 
submission. The other result is that if someone wants you to run they're 
program, they have to submit the app directly to Apple. The Mac however is a  
different animal. We can use Safari to download directly and the system is not 
directly sandboxed. Take Zoom. To use it on the iPhone, App  store, no other 
way though it might work through Safari. However, there is no Zoom app on the 
Mac App store. There are some things that will work with Zoom, but if you want 
the actual program the company provides, you have to go to there website. 
It???s a safe app to download, but I don???t know if you restrict your 
downloads if that one would work for instance. My point though is that if you 
only download apps from people you know, then you don???t have to worry about 
security measures that may or may not hamper your Mac experience.


On Jun 14, 2022, at 21:35, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Is not that what is meant by trusted developers though?  My understanding is 
that limiting downloads can protect   you from bugs and viruses.
I know nothing about the IOS store, having no iPhone.



On Tue, 14 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:


I think the possible time goes into the hours. As for the app store apps, keep 
in mind that the Mac a

Re: a security / privacy settings question.

2022-06-15 Thread Jonathan C. Cohn

Newer Macintosh computers have a fingerprint sensor and even older machines, 
can be unlocked if you are wearing an Apple Watch.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> hi Tim,
> Please share what you learn.  Just got off the phone with main apple support, 
> the time window is only 8 hours, which is just not  suitable for me as I 
> learn this machine.
> As shared I have no issues with the data  not being presented, with practice 
> I will likely be fine.
> but as I just shared with my apple rep, you expect someone like the late 
> Stephen Hawking to  have someone  provide his log in password every 8 hours?
> If there is not an existing work-around for that population, one should be 
> created, even if hidden in the  security privacy  area, an alternative way to 
> provide password  at log in, or something of that sort.
> best,
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Whether it’s a VoiceOver user or a sighted user, they will not be able to 
>> see what is being entered.  Yes, on some web-sites, there is a “Show 
>> Password” option, but this is not the case for the Login screen.  You do 
>> bring up some good points, although I’m not sure I know a workaround for 
>> them.  Even with newer versions of the computer, and newer versions of the 
>> MacOS there are things like the fingerprint sensor.  The limitation here is 
>> still that the full entry of the password is required after restart or 
>> logout for security reasons.  I will need to check with someone at Apple if 
>> there’s some other way that I’m not aware of that would allow for password 
>> entry for someone with dexterity challenges.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
 On Jun 15, 2022, at 09:18, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tim,
>>> Thanks as always.
>>> When I spoke to apple accessibility I asked a question.
>>> since voiceover is not providing input, if one is new to the mac, or used 
>>> to  a larger keyboard, mistakes are quite likely.
>>> however, what happens if someone cannot type at all?  the system does not 
>>> let you speak your password either, which speaking personally seems like 
>>> rather a barrier for those experiencing motor challenges.
>>> While I respect the risk idea, I am more bothered by the noninclusive 
>>> nature of the door if that resonates.
>>> If I could say set the requirement for once every 90 days, giving me more 
>>> time to either manage this keyboard or add an external  one it would be one 
>>> thing.
>>> As it is now, the problem prevents me from moving forward, and I cannot 
>>> resonate with that  situation.
>>> Kare
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 There are trusted developers that are built in to the system, as well as 
 you being able to tell the MacOS if you want to “Trust” a specific 
 web-site for downloads.  Leaving the setting to App Store and Trusted 
 Developers is your best option.  Regarding the locking of the screen after 
 sleep or screen saver, yes, indeed this can be configured.  I’ll preface 
 this by saying that when you disable this feature, you are leaving your 
 Mac open to security breaches.  That being said, if you are comfortable 
 with that risk, or have other physical reasons for preferring your Mac not 
 to behave this way, then the setting is in the Security & Privacy pane of 
 System Preferences under the General tab.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jun 15, 2022, at 08:26, Karen Lewellen  
> wrote:
> 
> Understood now, and noted.
> may just leave it alone  as it is  less critical then say, logging in at 
> all  laughs.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 14 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:
> 
>> In iOS, you cannot download apps from third-party sites, you have no 
>> choice but to use the App store. As a result, every app is vetted by 
>> Apple before submission. The other result is that if someone wants you 
>> to run they're program, they have to submit the app directly to Apple. 
>> The Mac however is a  different animal. We can use Safari to download 
>> directly and the system is not directly sandboxed. Take Zoom. To use it 
>> on the iPhone, App  store, no other way though it might work through 
>> Safari. However, there is no Zoom app on the Mac App store. There are 
>> some things that will work with Zoom, but if you want the actual program 
>> the company provides, you have to go to there website. It’s a safe app 
>> to download, but I don’t know if yo

Re: a security / privacy settings question.

2022-06-15 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries

Hi,

This only works for unlocking your Mac.  The finger-print and Apple Watch 
features do not apply for logging in.  This would help, of course, for the 
unlock process after closing the lid, or after locking due to sleep or screen 
saver, but not for the actual login process.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 15, 2022, at 13:49, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Newer Macintosh computers have a fingerprint sensor and even older machines, 
> can be unlocked if you are wearing an Apple Watch.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> hi Tim,
>> Please share what you learn.  Just got off the phone with main apple 
>> support, the time window is only 8 hours, which is just not  suitable for me 
>> as I learn this machine.
>> As shared I have no issues with the data  not being presented, with practice 
>> I will likely be fine.
>> but as I just shared with my apple rep, you expect someone like the late 
>> Stephen Hawking to  have someone  provide his log in password every 8 hours?
>> If there is not an existing work-around for that population, one should be 
>> created, even if hidden in the  security privacy  area, an alternative way 
>> to provide password  at log in, or something of that sort.
>> best,
>> Karen
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Whether it’s a VoiceOver user or a sighted user, they will not be able to 
>>> see what is being entered.  Yes, on some web-sites, there is a “Show 
>>> Password” option, but this is not the case for the Login screen.  You do 
>>> bring up some good points, although I’m not sure I know a workaround for 
>>> them.  Even with newer versions of the computer, and newer versions of the 
>>> MacOS there are things like the fingerprint sensor.  The limitation here is 
>>> still that the full entry of the password is required after restart or 
>>> logout for security reasons.  I will need to check with someone at Apple if 
>>> there’s some other way that I’m not aware of that would allow for password 
>>> entry for someone with dexterity challenges.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
> On Jun 15, 2022, at 09:18, Karen Lewellen  
> wrote:
 
 Tim,
 Thanks as always.
 When I spoke to apple accessibility I asked a question.
 since voiceover is not providing input, if one is new to the mac, or used 
 to  a larger keyboard, mistakes are quite likely.
 however, what happens if someone cannot type at all?  the system does not 
 let you speak your password either, which speaking personally seems like 
 rather a barrier for those experiencing motor challenges.
 While I respect the risk idea, I am more bothered by the noninclusive 
 nature of the door if that resonates.
 If I could say set the requirement for once every 90 days, giving me more 
 time to either manage this keyboard or add an external  one it would be 
 one thing.
 As it is now, the problem prevents me from moving forward, and I cannot 
 resonate with that  situation.
 Kare
 
 
 
> On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> There are trusted developers that are built in to the system, as well as 
> you being able to tell the MacOS if you want to “Trust” a specific 
> web-site for downloads.  Leaving the setting to App Store and Trusted 
> Developers is your best option.  Regarding the locking of the screen 
> after sleep or screen saver, yes, indeed this can be configured.  I’ll 
> preface this by saying that when you disable this feature, you are 
> leaving your Mac open to security breaches.  That being said, if you are 
> comfortable with that risk, or have other physical reasons for preferring 
> your Mac not to behave this way, then the setting is in the Security & 
> Privacy pane of System Preferences under the General tab.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2022, at 08:26, Karen Lewellen  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Understood now, and noted.
>> may just leave it alone  as it is  less critical then say, logging in at 
>> all  laughs.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, 14 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:
>> 
>>> In iOS, you cannot download apps from third-party sites, you have no 
>>> choice but to use the App store. As a result, every app is vetted by 
>>> Apple before submission. The other result is th

onboard tutorial revisited.

2022-06-15 Thread Karen Lewellen

Well, now that the log in request is gone, I can hopefully get started 
learning my mac better.

save that the tutorial I am anticipating seems to be missing?
to be clear, this goes back several editions, in the voiceover utility 
menu there was a tutorial with a voice guiding one through learning basic 
keystrokes and navigation.  This voice differed from  say what I assume is 
Alex, and helps you learn how things work.
However when I choose what has to be function-vo-8 to reach the utility I 
cannot find the tutorial.
Granted, I am still getting used tot his voice, and may not simply 
understand it well yet.
Still, what am I missing?  lastly, is there a command which reviews last 
information provided by voiceover? I suppose good old fashioned screen 
review may be missing smiles.

Thanks,
Karen

Re: a security / privacy settings question.

2022-06-15 Thread Karen Lewellen


Which in one case requires one have more than one product.
By way of example, I have yet to find an iOS voice that does not trigger 
the dizziness aspect of my auditory processing condition.
It is one reason why I wanted an older mac, and why I am, after years of 
being on this list, only now in a position to really  use apple products at 
all.
My point is that inclusion also means choices, and limiting choices 
because of how a person's body works, is not inclusion..at all.




On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:


Newer Macintosh computers have a fingerprint sensor and even older machines, 
can be unlocked if you are wearing an Apple Watch.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 15, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

hi Tim,
Please share what you learn.  Just got off the phone with main apple support, 
the time window is only 8 hours, which is just not  suitable for me as I learn 
this machine.
As shared I have no issues with the data  not being presented, with practice I 
will likely be fine.
but as I just shared with my apple rep, you expect someone like the late 
Stephen Hawking to  have someone  provide his log in password every 8 hours?
If there is not an existing work-around for that population, one should be 
created, even if hidden in the  security privacy  area, an alternative way to 
provide password  at log in, or something of that sort.
best,
Karen




On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

Whether it’s a VoiceOver user or a sighted user, they will not be able to see 
what is being entered.  Yes, on some web-sites, there is a “Show Password” 
option, but this is not the case for the Login screen.  You do bring up some 
good points, although I’m not sure I know a workaround for them.  Even with 
newer versions of the computer, and newer versions of the MacOS there are 
things like the fingerprint sensor.  The limitation here is still that the full 
entry of the password is required after restart or logout for security reasons. 
 I will need to check with someone at Apple if there’s some other way that I’m 
not aware of that would allow for password entry for someone with dexterity 
challenges.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 15, 2022, at 09:18, Karen Lewellen  wrote:


Tim,
Thanks as always.
When I spoke to apple accessibility I asked a question.
since voiceover is not providing input, if one is new to the mac, or used to  a 
larger keyboard, mistakes are quite likely.
however, what happens if someone cannot type at all?  the system does not let 
you speak your password either, which speaking personally seems like rather a 
barrier for those experiencing motor challenges.
While I respect the risk idea, I am more bothered by the noninclusive nature of 
the door if that resonates.
If I could say set the requirement for once every 90 days, giving me more time 
to either manage this keyboard or add an external  one it would be one thing.
As it is now, the problem prevents me from moving forward, and I cannot 
resonate with that  situation.
Kare




On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:



Hi,

There are trusted developers that are built in to the system, as well as you being 
able to tell the MacOS if you want to “Trust” a specific web-site for downloads.  
Leaving the setting to App Store and Trusted Developers is your best option.  
Regarding the locking of the screen after sleep or screen saver, yes, indeed this 
can be configured.  I’ll preface this by saying that when you disable this feature, 
you are leaving your Mac open to security breaches.  That being said, if you are 
comfortable with that risk, or have other physical reasons for preferring your Mac 
not to behave this way, then the setting is in the Security & Privacy pane of 
System Preferences under the General tab.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 15, 2022, at 08:26, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Understood now, and noted.
may just leave it alone  as it is  less critical then say, logging in at all  
laughs.



On Tue, 14 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:


In iOS, you cannot download apps from third-party sites, you have no choice but 
to use the App store. As a result, every app is vetted by Apple before 
submission. The other result is that if someone wants you to run they're 
program, they have to submit the app directly to Apple. The Mac however is a  
different animal. We can use Safari to download directly and the system is not 
directly sandboxed. Take Zoom. To use it on the iPhone, App  store, no other 
way though it might work through Safari. However, there is no Zoom app on the 
Mac App store. There are some things that will work with Zoom, but if you want 
the actual program the company provides, you have to

How to access the Do Not have a code or cannot scan option in HomeKit?

2022-06-15 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries

Hi all,

For some mysterious reason, all four of our Sonos1s died Sunday morning.  The 
whole thing makes absolutely no sense, and we’ve tried everything, including 
calling Sonos tech support to resurrect them, all to no avail.  Needless to 
say, we’re not giving another dime to Sonos as long as we live, but in the 
meantime, we’ve dug up our old Play1s to use until we figure out what we’re 
going to replace the dead speakers with.  I’ve re-added them in the Sonos app, 
and am now trying to add them to HomeKit.  The only option I’m seeing is to 
scan the QR code.  How do I access the option to have HomeKit scan for products?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: onboard tutorial revisited.

2022-06-15 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries

Hi,

Try VO-cmd-f8, that is, ctrl-option-cmd-F8.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 15, 2022, at 13:52, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Well, now that the log in request is gone, I can hopefully get started 
> learning my mac better.
> save that the tutorial I am anticipating seems to be missing?
> to be clear, this goes back several editions, in the voiceover utility menu 
> there was a tutorial with a voice guiding one through learning basic 
> keystrokes and navigation.  This voice differed from  say what I assume is 
> Alex, and helps you learn how things work.
> However when I choose what has to be function-vo-8 to reach the utility I 
> cannot find the tutorial.
> Granted, I am still getting used tot his voice, and may not simply understand 
> it well yet.
> Still, what am I missing?  lastly, is there a command which reviews last 
> information provided by voiceover? I suppose good old fashioned screen review 
> may be missing smiles.
> Thanks,
> Karen
> 
> 

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Re: How to access the Do Not have a code or cannot scan option in HomeKit?

2022-06-15 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries

Hi,

In the Home app, double-tap on Add, then on the next screen, double-tap on the 
Add Accessory button.  The Scan Code and more is there ready for you to follow 
the prompts.

HTH.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 15, 2022, at 13:58, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> For some mysterious reason, all four of our Sonos1s died Sunday morning.  The 
> whole thing makes absolutely no sense, and we’ve tried everything, including 
> calling Sonos tech support to resurrect them, all to no avail.  Needless to 
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> products?
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Re: How to access the Do Not have a code or cannot scan option in HomeKit?

2022-06-15 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries

Hi Tim,

I see something that says scan code or hold phone near accessory more options, 
but when I tap it nothing happens.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2022, at 3:18 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> In the Home app, double-tap on Add, then on the next screen, double-tap on 
> the Add Accessory button.  The Scan Code and more is there ready for you to 
> follow the prompts.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2022, at 13:58, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> For some mysterious reason, all four of our Sonos1s died Sunday morning.  
>> The whole thing makes absolutely no sense, and we’ve tried everything, 
>> including calling Sonos tech support to resurrect them, all to no avail.  
>> Needless to say, we’re not giving another dime to Sonos as long as we live, 
>> but in the meantime, we’ve dug up our old Play1s to use until we figure out 
>> what we’re going to replace the dead speakers with.  I’ve re-added them in 
>> the Sonos app, and am now trying to add them to HomeKit.  The only option 
>> I’m seeing is to scan the QR code.  How do I access the option to have 
>> HomeKit scan for products?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Sonos speaker showing up in Home app, but when I try to play to that speaker using a shortcut, it doesn't work

2022-06-15 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries

Hi all,

So as it happens, one of the Sonos speakers had already been added to home kit. 
 So, I unplugged the speaker that is not added yet, and am trying to just play 
to the one speaker.  The speaker works, I’ve tested it in the Sonos app.  I can 
also see the speaker in HomeKit, but when I tell Siri to play to it, she says, 
Sorry, I can’t find that speaker.  Anyone have any ideas what might be going on?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: How to access the Do Not have a code or cannot scan option in HomeKit?

2022-06-15 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries

Hi,

I don’t think that you need to tap anything.  There’s an item on that screen 
announced as “Camera View”.  I believe that as soon as you get to this screen, 
you can use your camera, or hold the iPHone close to the device if it supports 
that.  If the scan is successful, it should move on to the next screen for you.

Later…


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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> On Jun 15, 2022, at 14:26, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> I see something that says scan code or hold phone near accessory more 
> options, but when I tap it nothing happens.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2022, at 3:18 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> In the Home app, double-tap on Add, then on the next screen, double-tap on 
>> the Add Accessory button.  The Scan Code and more is there ready for you to 
>> follow the prompts.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 15, 2022, at 13:58, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> For some mysterious reason, all four of our Sonos1s died Sunday morning.  
>>> The whole thing makes absolutely no sense, and we’ve tried everything, 
>>> including calling Sonos tech support to resurrect them, all to no avail.  
>>> Needless to say, we’re not giving another dime to Sonos as long as we live, 
>>> but in the meantime, we’ve dug up our old Play1s to use until we figure out 
>>> what we’re going to replace the dead speakers with.  I’ve re-added them in 
>>> the Sonos app, and am now trying to add them to HomeKit.  The only option 
>>> I’m seeing is to scan the QR code.  How do I access the option to have 
>>> HomeKit scan for products?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Sonos speaker showing up in Home app, but when I try to play to that speaker using a shortcut, it doesn't work

2022-06-15 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries

Hi,

It sounds like it will need to be removed then re-added.  Now, in your case, 
that seems to be a somewhat uncooperative task.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 15, 2022, at 14:50, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So as it happens, one of the Sonos speakers had already been added to home 
> kit.  So, I unplugged the speaker that is not added yet, and am trying to 
> just play to the one speaker.  The speaker works, I’ve tested it in the Sonos 
> app.  I can also see the speaker in HomeKit, but when I tell Siri to play to 
> it, she says, Sorry, I can’t find that speaker.  Anyone have any ideas what 
> might be going on?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Converting from Image to Text

2022-06-15 Thread Bill Gallik

Hi All,

Several months ago I sent a message to the list wondering how I could use my 
scanner to read print documents.  It was suggested that I use the Image Capture 
app and I have tried that.  I’m able to scan in a page, but can’t seem to get 
the image converted into a text (or Word) format.  During the scanning step I 
have tried PDF, JPG and TIF but can’t seem to get the final step completed.

Can anybody offer a suggestion to resolve this?

TIA


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Re: Converting from Image to Text

2022-06-15 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries

Hi,

You need an app like ABBYY Fine Reader or some other OCR capable app to convert 
a scanned document to text.  Using Image Capture will scan and print it nicely, 
but the translation into text requires more.

Later…


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> On Jun 15, 2022, at 15:07, Bill Gallik  wrote:
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> Hi All,
> 
> Several months ago I sent a message to the list wondering how I could use my 
> scanner to read print documents.  It was suggested that I use the Image 
> Capture app and I have tried that.  I’m able to scan in a page, but can’t 
> seem to get the image converted into a text (or Word) format.  During the 
> scanning step I have tried PDF, JPG and TIF but can’t seem to get the final 
> step completed.
> 
> Can anybody offer a suggestion to resolve this?
> 
> TIA
> 
> 
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Re: How to access the Do Not have a code or cannot scan option in HomeKit?

2022-06-15 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries

It’s weird, nothing happens.  May phone gets hot, so I assume the camera is 
coming on, that’s it.  I don’t get any other options.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jun 15, 2022, at 4:03 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I don’t think that you need to tap anything.  There’s an item on that screen 
> announced as “Camera View”.  I believe that as soon as you get to this 
> screen, you can use your camera, or hold the iPHone close to the device if it 
> supports that.  If the scan is successful, it should move on to the next 
> screen for you.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2022, at 14:26, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> I see something that says scan code or hold phone near accessory more 
>> options, but when I tap it nothing happens.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 15, 2022, at 3:18 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> In the Home app, double-tap on Add, then on the next screen, double-tap on 
>>> the Add Accessory button.  The Scan Code and more is there ready for you to 
>>> follow the prompts.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jun 15, 2022, at 13:58, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 For some mysterious reason, all four of our Sonos1s died Sunday morning.  
 The whole thing makes absolutely no sense, and we’ve tried everything, 
 including calling Sonos tech support to resurrect them, all to no avail.  
 Needless to say, we’re not giving another dime to Sonos as long as we 
 live, but in the meantime, we’ve dug up our old Play1s to use until we 
 figure out what we’re going to replace the dead speakers with.  I’ve 
 re-added them in the Sonos app, and am now trying to add them to HomeKit.  
 The only option I’m seeing is to scan the QR code.  How do I access the 
 option to have HomeKit scan for products?
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Re: Sonos speaker showing up in Home app, but when I try to play to that speaker using a shortcut, it doesn't work

2022-06-15 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries

Ugh! Figures.
Donna

> On Jun 15, 2022, at 4:05 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> It sounds like it will need to be removed then re-added.  Now, in your case, 
> that seems to be a somewhat uncooperative task.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
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>> On Jun 15, 2022, at 14:50, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> So as it happens, one of the Sonos speakers had already been added to home 
>> kit.  So, I unplugged the speaker that is not added yet, and am trying to 
>> just play to the one speaker.  The speaker works, I’ve tested it in the 
>> Sonos app.  I can also see the speaker in HomeKit, but when I tell Siri to 
>> play to it, she says, Sorry, I can’t find that speaker.  Anyone have any 
>> ideas what might be going on?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: onboard tutorial revisited.

2022-06-15 Thread Karen Lewellen

Hi Tim,
That got it, the reference just was not spoken clearly. using a new voice
as well, but glad it is here.

Kare

On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

Try VO-cmd-f8, that is, ctrl-option-cmd-F8.

Later???

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 15, 2022, at 13:52, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Well, now that the log in request is gone, I can hopefully get started learning
my mac better.
save that the tutorial I am anticipating seems to be missing?
to be clear, this goes back several editions, in the voiceover utility menu
there was a tutorial with a voice guiding one through learning basic keystrokes
and navigation. This voice differed from say what I assume is Alex, and helps
you learn how things work.
However when I choose what has to be function-vo-8 to reach the utility I
cannot find the tutorial.
Granted, I am still getting used tot his voice, and may not simply understand
it well yet.
Still, what am I missing? lastly, is there a command which reviews last
information provided by voiceover? I suppose good old fashioned screen review
may be missing smiles.
Thanks,
Karen

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Re: onboard tutorial revisited.

2022-06-15 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

Also, the user’s guide can be reached with Ctrl-Option-Question mark.
Apple announced that there would be new voice options in Mac OS Ventura. I 
don’t know whether any of those might be more intelligible for your purposes.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Karen Lewellen 
Date: Wednesday, 15June, 2022 at 18:42
To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: onboard tutorial revisited.
Hi Tim,
That got it, the reference just was not spoken clearly.  using a new voice
as well, but glad it is here.
Kare



On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Try VO-cmd-f8, that is, ctrl-option-cmd-F8.
>
> Laterâ€¦
>
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
>> On Jun 15, 2022, at 13:52, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>
>> Well, now that the log in request is gone, I can hopefully get started 
>> learning my mac better.
>> save that the tutorial I am anticipating seems to be missing?
>> to be clear, this goes back several editions, in the voiceover utility menu 
>> there was a tutorial with a voice guiding one through learning basic 
>> keystrokes and navigation.  This voice differed from  say what I assume is 
>> Alex, and helps you learn how things work.
>> However when I choose what has to be function-vo-8 to reach the utility I 
>> cannot find the tutorial.
>> Granted, I am still getting used tot his voice, and may not simply 
>> understand it well yet.
>> Still, what am I missing?  lastly, is there a command which reviews last 
>> information provided by voiceover? I suppose good old fashioned screen 
>> review may be missing smiles.
>> Thanks,
>> Karen
>>
>>
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Re: onboard tutorial revisited.

2022-06-15 Thread Karen Lewellen

Honestly the idea of having to hold down the vo keys, a shift key and the 
/ to  reach a question mark?
Practice, and finding the ability to make voice changes  is helping. 
besides this is a  mid 2012 machine, the one just past the one I desired, 
but at least not dangerous to use voice wise.
Here is hoping I can blend voice control of some vo commands as I am told 
is possible for some things.



On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Also, the user???s guide can be reached with Ctrl-Option-Question mark.
Apple announced that there would be new voice options in Mac OS Ventura. I 
don???t know whether any of those might be more intelligible for your purposes.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on behalf of 
Karen Lewellen 
Date: Wednesday, 15June, 2022 at 18:42
To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: onboard tutorial revisited.
Hi Tim,
That got it, the reference just was not spoken clearly.  using a new voice
as well, but glad it is here.
Kare



On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

Try VO-cmd-f8, that is, ctrl-option-cmd-F8.

Later???


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 15, 2022, at 13:52, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Well, now that the log in request is gone, I can hopefully get started learning 
my mac better.
save that the tutorial I am anticipating seems to be missing?
to be clear, this goes back several editions, in the voiceover utility menu 
there was a tutorial with a voice guiding one through learning basic keystrokes 
and navigation.  This voice differed from  say what I assume is Alex, and helps 
you learn how things work.
However when I choose what has to be function-vo-8 to reach the utility I 
cannot find the tutorial.
Granted, I am still getting used tot his voice, and may not simply understand 
it well yet.
Still, what am I missing?  lastly, is there a command which reviews last 
information provided by voiceover? I suppose good old fashioned screen review 
may be missing smiles.
Thanks,
Karen




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drag and drop

2022-06-15 Thread Lorie McCloud

I'm trying to fill out this survey that asks me to drag and drop items to be in 
a certain order. I've tried using vo-command-shift space for mouse down and 
mouse up but it's not moving the items I'm attempting to use it on. one of my 
problems is that I don't know where to put them, if there's a certain space 
designated for that or if I'm supposed to just rearrange them where they are. 
advice please.

Thanks.
Lorie

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