BrailleMe and Bookshare files; Ejecting properly from usb port

[Christine Grassman]

Good day all:
My first question is for anyone who owns, or who has owned, a BrailleMe. For 
some reason, some brf files from bookshare read perfectly on it, while others 
came out completely jumbled, even though they are brf files and read fine 
otherwise. I tried downloading a particular book a few times, thinking there 
might be an issue with the file, but even though it was listed on the directory 
for the BrailleMe when I looked on my Mac, it did not appear on the BrailleMe. 
I tried loading an xml file to see what would happen, and even though it showed 
up in the file manager, it was jumbled. Any ideas?
Now . . . ejecting USB devices. When I select Eject, it becomes dimmed, but 
there is no “eject safely” or “eject now”. I cannot figure out how to remove a 
device without getting the notification that it needs to be ejected properly. 
I’ve looked for instructions, but they either do not take VoiceOver into 
account, or I am getting the result as described above. TIA.
Christine

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Mysterious "failure" messages on Mail

[Christine Grassman]

Every time I send myself a copy of an email at icloud, I receive both the copy, 
and usually much later, a “failure” message saying the content was blocked. 
This happens quite often, mostly when I send emails to the icloud account from 
my gmail address, yet I receive messages sent to gmail just fine. Everything 
else in mail is operating normally. Anyone else experiencing this, and is there 
something I can do about it? It happens chronically.
Christine

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Blocking email addresses

[Christine Grassman]

Good day all:
Is there a quicker way to block email addresses than using rules? It seems 
“unsubscribe” isn’t taken seriously by some outfits. 
Christine 

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Re: Odd issue trying to read menu on web site

[Christine Grassman]

> :) Yes, I saw that as well; I tried to get to the links, and I did send 
> feedback. Thanks.

> On Nov 21, 2018, at 7:17 AM, Erik Burggraaf  wrote:
> 
> well, to begin with, the actual menu on the site is two pictures embedded in 
> the homepage. We are not going to get very far with that.
> 
> As a backup, there is a menu provided by a delivery company. Unfortunately, I 
> have not been able to get the links two sections of the menu to work here on 
> my phone.
> 
> fortunately, the link to the feedback form for the delivery company works 
> just fine.
> 
> https://9fold.wufoo.com/forms/zzv2x441f33vwx/ 
> <https://9fold.wufoo.com/forms/zzv2x441f33vwx/>
> Let the complaints begin!  😀
> 
> On November 19, 2018 12:34:04 PM Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
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>> Good day all:
>> I am attempting to read the menu of a restaurant nearby, and although there 
>> is a link which takes me to the menu, I cannot access the contents. A 
>> sighted person told me it is a pop-up, but there is no indication of 
>> anything. The web site is here:
>> https://manchimeansgood.com <https://manchimeansgood.com/>
>> I have tried using different browsers; interacting; using Tables, etc. I 
>> cannot access the information, and there does not seem to be a way to 
>> download the menu.
>> Help or insight is appreciated.
>> Christine
>> 
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Re: Odd issue trying to read menu on web site

[Christine Grassman]

> Normally I would rethink the option, but I was invited there by a friend and 
> was hoping to avoid having anyone read me the menu during a crowded lunch 
> hour. Ah, well . . . thanks.
Christine 

> On Nov 20, 2018, at 12:42 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Ah, yeah well just checking that URL I think you should re think your eating 
> options.
>  
> The menu is a graphic on the page so you might be very lucky unless you have 
> some kind of OCR that will read the menu for you on that site.
>  
> Sorry 
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Christine Grassman
> Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2018 6:33 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Odd issue trying to read menu on web site
>  
> Good day all:
> I am attempting to read the menu of a restaurant nearby, and although there 
> is a link which takes me to the menu, I cannot access the contents. A sighted 
> person told me it is a pop-up, but there is no indication of anything. The 
> web site is here:
> https://manchimeansgood.com <https://manchimeansgood.com/>
> I have tried using different browsers; interacting; using Tables, etc. I 
> cannot access the information, and there does not seem to be a way to 
> download the menu.
> Help or insight is appreciated.
> Christine
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Re: Odd issue trying to read menu on web site

[Christine Grassman]

> :) Thank you.
Christine

> On Nov 19, 2018, at 1:34 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> HI Christine,
> 
> OMG! Now I am hungry! :)
> 
> It looks like the menu is actually two jpg images and the menu link just 
> moves focus within the page, to those images.
> 
> I’ll see if I can OCR them but for now, I cannot think of another way to try 
> to read these.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
> On Nov 19, 2018, at 10:33 AM, Christine Grassman  <mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Good day all:
> I am attempting to read the menu of a restaurant nearby, and although there 
> is a link which takes me to the menu, I cannot access the contents. A sighted 
> person told me it is a pop-up, but there is no indication of anything. The 
> web site is here:
> https://manchimeansgood.com <https://manchimeansgood.com/>
> I have tried using different browsers; interacting; using Tables, etc. I 
> cannot access the information, and there does not seem to be a way to 
> download the menu.
> Help or insight is appreciated.
> Christine
> 
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Odd issue trying to read menu on web site

[Christine Grassman]

Good day all:
I am attempting to read the menu of a restaurant nearby, and although there is 
a link which takes me to the menu, I cannot access the contents. A sighted 
person told me it is a pop-up, but there is no indication of anything. The web 
site is here:
https://manchimeansgood.com 
I have tried using different browsers; interacting; using Tables, etc. I cannot 
access the information, and there does not seem to be a way to download the 
menu.
Help or insight is appreciated.
Christine

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OT: Quick and Dirty Windows Tutorial

[Christine Grassman]

I need help ASAP. I am starting a new job soon, and Windows-based computers are 
provided. I have used a Mac and VoiceOver for years, and am concerned about 
relearning Windows. Could someone please direct me to a resource which will 
both update me and give me a quick learning curve tutorial? I have to relocate, 
so I’m in the market for something very straightforward; I’ll dig into the 
nitty-gritty later.
TIA
Christine

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Re: Amazing app for transferring, copying, extracting between and among computers/devices: any accessibility info?

[Christine Grassman]

I did email them earlier and ask them if the app was accessible to voiceover. 
Hopefully, I will receive a response.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2018, at 1:41 PM, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> I have actually downloaded a free trial of it and it looks pretty accessible 
> as far as i can see.
> There is a screen when you first open the app that looks a bit strange which 
> is full of unknowns, this often is an accessibility issue but if you interact 
> with the unknown you can actually see buttons which are well labeled and that 
> you can press and when you do you are taken to various parts of your device 
> such as phone, camera, ringtones etc.
> I have tried to import ring tones into my phone with Imazing and it works.
> /Krister
> 
> 
>> 16 okt. 2018 kl. 19:16 skrev Raymond Foret Jr :
>> 
>> Now that’s very interesting.  Myself, I like File Browser.  The version I 
>> have is free but I’ve heard some good things about Imazing.  Thing is this.  
>> How accessible is Imazing?  Anybody know?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
>> blind:
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> The constantly barefooted Ray
>> 
>>>> On Oct 16, 2018, at 11:50 AM, Christine Grassman  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Imazing is the name. With an I instead of an A.On Oct 16, 2018, at 12:14 
>>>> PM, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I too would like to know about this. Would be too bad if there’s a good 
>>>> app for transfering stuff and then you can’t use it because it’s 
>>>> inaccessible.
>>>> What’s the name of the app btw?
>>>> /Krister
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 16 okt. 2018 kl. 16:11 skrev Christine Grassman :
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, I am told there is an app which normally sells for $89 that is today 
>>>>> available for $19.95 (as indicated in an article in the Verge), that 
>>>>> makes it a breeze to transfer absolutely anything and everything between 
>>>>> and among iOS devices, Macs, PC’s, etc. Is this wonder real, and most 
>>>>> importantly, is it accessible? Apparently, we have another twelve hours 
>>>>> to grab it if so.
>>>>> Christine
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Re: Amazing app for transferring, copying, extracting between and among computers/devices: any accessibility info?

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> Imazing is the name. With an I instead of an A.On Oct 16, 2018, at 12:14 PM, 
> Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
> 
> I too would like to know about this. Would be too bad if there’s a good app 
> for transfering stuff and then you can’t use it because it’s inaccessible.
> What’s the name of the app btw?
> /Krister
> 
> 
>> 16 okt. 2018 kl. 16:11 skrev Christine Grassman :
>> 
>> So, I am told there is an app which normally sells for $89 that is today 
>> available for $19.95 (as indicated in an article in the Verge), that makes 
>> it a breeze to transfer absolutely anything and everything between and among 
>> iOS devices, Macs, PC’s, etc. Is this wonder real, and most importantly, is 
>> it accessible? Apparently, we have another twelve hours to grab it if so.
>> Christine
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Oops . . . IMazing with an I, not an A

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I just posted about this app which supposedly makes transferring anything and everything between various devices. Sorry about the misspelling.



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Amazing app for transferring, copying, extracting between and among computers/devices: any accessibility info?

[Christine Grassman]

So, I am told there is an app which normally sells for $89 that is today 
available for $19.95 (as indicated in an article in the Verge), that makes it a 
breeze to transfer absolutely anything and everything between and among iOS 
devices, Macs, PC’s, etc. Is this wonder real, and most importantly, is it 
accessible? Apparently, we have another twelve hours to grab it if so.
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Converting pdf files that are png images

[Christine Grassman]

Is this possible? I have tried everything I can think of, including sending the 
file (a shaker bottle manual) to robobraille for conversion. I tried saving the 
file to KNFB Reader and iBooks, Adobe, Preview, etc. Nothing doing. Is there 
any way to access this? Thanks. 
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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

[Christine Grassman]

> Hi, Tim. Yes, I do have a “guest account” on my MacBook. Initially, there was 
> no issue. However, after a while, the problem cropped up again, although not 
> to the same bothersome extent. I mustsay, however, that if I could get it to 
> the less bothersome level, I could live with it. Why would this make such a 
> difference?
Christine

> On Aug 15, 2018, at 6:50 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I believe that it was mentioned earlier, but, the best way to determine 
> what's going on here, would be to create a new account on your Mac.  If this 
> new account has the same issues with Safari, then it is something to do with 
> the processing pwer of your Mac, otherwise, if things seem to work fine in 
> this new account, then there's a conflict of sorts in the existing account.  
> This is much faster and easier than a total clean install and will give you a 
> good answer.  To create a new user, go into System Preferences, Users & 
> Groups, unlock the lock, then press on the Add user button.  Once the user 
> has been created, logout of the current user, log into the new one, then try 
> Safari.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Aug 15, 2018, at 06:03, Christine Grassman  <mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> I do not hae any issues on iOS devices either, but I am not a touch-screen 
>> only fan, and Iprefer a keyboard for task-heavy items, and have no patience 
>> for dealing with extra components like external keyboards.
> Christine 
> 
>> On Aug 14, 2018, at 7:49 PM, David Chittenden > <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, this is one of the reasons I decided to upgrade to the latest Windows 
>> machine rather than a new Mac.
>> 
>> However, my primary reason is: Apple refuses to upgrade the Mac to 
>> touchscreen, and Windows Narrator is now quite useable. It is the only 
>> screen reader I am currently using on my new machine.
>> 
>> All that said, my primary devices are my iPhone X and my iPad Pro 10.5. And, 
>> I will most likely switch back to Mac if Apple ever makes it a touchscreen 
>> device.
>> 
>> Oh, and no busy busy problems on my iOS devices.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 14 Aug 2018, at 23:11, Christine Grassman  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It happens with Google Chrome as well, and it freezes completely and does 
>>> not allow me to do a thing, no matter what I press. It’ll say “VoiceOver 
>>> off,” but not “VoiceOver on,” and it will be silent for a long time, or say 
>>> “busy,” no matter what I press, though I can almost always get out and can 
>>> do something with another application. But as soon as I go back to the web, 
>>> it freezes until it is good and ready. Sometimes, this will happen in Mail: 
>>> busy, freeze, click, and “VoiceOver on”. 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 14, 2018, at 1:18 AM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Try navigating up from the bottom of the page or searching for something 
>>>> specific in the web page.  Also try using Google Chrome rather than Safari.
>>>> Marshall
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Christine Grassman  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Could you be more specific about “navigating around the problem area”? 
>>>>>> Everything freezes, and I have to wait for a few seconds up to a couple 
>>>>>> of minutes before I hear a click and “VoiceOver on,” . . . and then if I 
>>>>>> attempt again the task I was attempting, again, and again, and again, ad 
>>>>>> nauseam.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem 
>>>>>> area.  I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can 
>>>>>> think of is for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility 
>>>>>> every time it happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable 
>>>>>> conse

Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

[Christine Grassman]

> I do not hae any issues on iOS devices either, but I am not a touch-screen 
> only fan, and Iprefer a keyboard for task-heavy items, and have no patience 
> for dealing with extra components like external keyboards.
Christine 

> On Aug 14, 2018, at 7:49 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Yes, this is one of the reasons I decided to upgrade to the latest Windows 
> machine rather than a new Mac.
> 
> However, my primary reason is: Apple refuses to upgrade the Mac to 
> touchscreen, and Windows Narrator is now quite useable. It is the only screen 
> reader I am currently using on my new machine.
> 
> All that said, my primary devices are my iPhone X and my iPad Pro 10.5. And, 
> I will most likely switch back to Mac if Apple ever makes it a touchscreen 
> device.
> 
> Oh, and no busy busy problems on my iOS devices.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 14 Aug 2018, at 23:11, Christine Grassman  wrote:
>> 
>> It happens with Google Chrome as well, and it freezes completely and does 
>> not allow me to do a thing, no matter what I press. It’ll say “VoiceOver 
>> off,” but not “VoiceOver on,” and it will be silent for a long time, or say 
>> “busy,” no matter what I press, though I can almost always get out and can 
>> do something with another application. But as soon as I go back to the web, 
>> it freezes until it is good and ready. Sometimes, this will happen in Mail: 
>> busy, freeze, click, and “VoiceOver on”. 
>> 
>>> On Aug 14, 2018, at 1:18 AM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try navigating up from the bottom of the page or searching for something 
>>> specific in the web page.  Also try using Google Chrome rather than Safari.
>>> Marshall
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Christine Grassman  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Could you be more specific about “navigating around the problem area”? 
>>>>> Everything freezes, and I have to wait for a few seconds up to a couple 
>>>>> of minutes before I hear a click and “VoiceOver on,” . . . and then if I 
>>>>> attempt again the task I was attempting, again, and again, and again, ad 
>>>>> nauseam.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem 
>>>>> area.  I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can 
>>>>> think of is for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility 
>>>>> every time it happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable 
>>>>> consequences in terms of support.
>>>>> Marshall
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
>>>>>> utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what 
>>>>>> web browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what 
>>>>>> I do, whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read 
>>>>>> through headings or other information, busy becomes a monster and is 
>>>>>> costing literally taking hours out of my days to complete the simplest 
>>>>>> tasks to more involved ones.
>>>>>> Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
>>>>>> Genius Bar might accomplish?
>>>>>> Christine
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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

[Christine Grassman]

It happens with Google Chrome as well, and it freezes completely and does not 
allow me to do a thing, no matter what I press. It’ll say “VoiceOver off,” but 
not “VoiceOver on,” and it will be silent for a long time, or say “busy,” no 
matter what I press, though I can almost always get out and can do something 
with another application. But as soon as I go back to the web, it freezes until 
it is good and ready. Sometimes, this will happen in Mail: busy, freeze, click, 
and “VoiceOver on”. 

> On Aug 14, 2018, at 1:18 AM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Try navigating up from the bottom of the page or searching for something 
> specific in the web page.  Also try using Google Chrome rather than Safari.
> Marshall
> 
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Christine Grassman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Could you be more specific about “navigating around the problem area”? 
>>> Everything freezes, and I have to wait for a few seconds up to a couple of 
>>> minutes before I hear a click and “VoiceOver on,” . . . and then if I 
>>> attempt again the task I was attempting, again, and again, and again, ad 
>>> nauseam.
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem area. 
>>>  I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can think of is 
>>> for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility every time it 
>>> happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable consequences in terms 
>>> of support.
>>> Marshall
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
>>>> utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what 
>>>> web browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what I 
>>>> do, whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read through 
>>>> headings or other information, busy becomes a monster and is costing 
>>>> literally taking hours out of my days to complete the simplest tasks to 
>>>> more involved ones.
>>>> Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
>>>> Genius Bar might accomplish?
>>>> Christine
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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

[Christine Grassman]

Thank you; I do have it set to act this way already.
Christine


> On Aug 14, 2018, at 7:27 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Can this maybe help.
> If you open vo utilities and go to the category web and change how Voiceover 
> is handling the web.
> THere is something there called navigate web pages with and here we have 2 
> radiobuttons which are dom or group by object or something like that.
> I use a swedish version and its hard to translate but something like that.
> I have mine set to dom order wich seems to work great here.
> /A
> 
>> 14 aug. 2018 kl. 12:39 skrev 'Alex Hall' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>> 
>> Have you tried on a different account? If you go to System Preferences and 
>> make a new user account, then log into it, does the problem persist?
>> 
>> --
>> Alex Hall
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 14, 2018, at 01:18, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try navigating up from the bottom of the page or searching for something 
>>> specific in the web page.  Also try using Google Chrome rather than Safari.
>>> Marshall
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Christine Grassman >>> <mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Could you be more specific about “navigating around the problem area”? 
>>>>> Everything freezes, and I have to wait for a few seconds up to a couple 
>>>>> of minutes before I hear a click and “VoiceOver on,” . . . and then if I 
>>>>> attempt again the task I was attempting, again, and again, and again, ad 
>>>>> nauseam.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem 
>>>>> area.  I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can 
>>>>> think of is for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility 
>>>>> every time it happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable 
>>>>> consequences in terms of support.
>>>>> Marshall
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman >>>>> <mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
>>>>>> utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what 
>>>>>> web browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what 
>>>>>> I do, whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read 
>>>>>> through headings or other information, busy becomes a monster and is 
>>>>>> costing literally taking hours out of my days to complete the simplest 
>>>>>> tasks to more involved ones.
>>>>>> Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
>>>>>> Genius Bar might accomplish?
>>>>>> Christine
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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

[Christine Grassman]

This helped for about ten wonderful minutes. :)


> On Aug 13, 2018, at 7:59 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> HI Christine,
> 
> Heres what  I do once in a while to clear sluggish VO movement & the "busy" 
> issue, by deleting the Caches folder.
> 
> To empty out the Caches folder on your computer, you’ll need to open up 
> Finder first. 
> 
> With Voiceover on, you can press V O D, and it should default to Finder. Then 
> press V O Space. 
> 
> Once Finder is the focused application, press V O M to get to the menu bar, 
> then V O Right until you reach the Go menu. In the Go menu, select Go To 
> Folder. 
> 
> The location is ~/Library
> 
> Once you’ve typed that in, press Return. 
> 
> In the Library folder, you can select the Caches folder and then press 
> Command Delete to move it to trash. 
> 
> I recommend restarting the computer after you do this. 
> HTH
> Chuck
> YMMV
> "God does not play dice with the universe"
> "Albert Einstein’
> 
> On Aug 13, 2018, at 7:45 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Could you be more specific about “navigating around the problem area”? 
>>> Everything freezes, and I have to wait for a few seconds up to a couple of 
>>> minutes before I hear a click and “VoiceOver on,” . . . and then if I 
>>> attempt again the task I was attempting, again, and again, and again, ad 
>>> nauseam.
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem area. 
>>>  I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can think of is 
>>> for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility every time it 
>>> happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable consequences in terms 
>>> of support.
>>> Marshall
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman >>> <mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
>>>> utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what 
>>>> web browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what I 
>>>> do, whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read through 
>>>> headings or other information, busy becomes a monster and is costing 
>>>> literally taking hours out of my days to complete the simplest tasks to 
>>>> more involved ones.
>>>> Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
>>>> Genius Bar might accomplish?
>>>> Christine
>>>> 
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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

[Christine Grassman]

> When it happened infrequently, once a day or less, it was fine, especially 
> when little things like waiting a few seconds or toggling VO worked. Now it 
> literally happens virtually every time I use a browser to do anything of 
> significance.

> On Aug 13, 2018, at 10:15 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> I have noticed that a lot of this happens on web sites that insist on putting 
> a bunch of frames of advertisements on them, on those sites, safari is worse 
> than chrome, but yes, it is very annoying when it happens.
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 4:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem area.  
>> I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can think of is 
>> for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility every time it 
>> happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable consequences in terms 
>> of support.
>> Marshall
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
>>> utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what web 
>>> browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what I do, 
>>> whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read through 
>>> headings or other information, busy becomes a monster and is costing 
>>> literally taking hours out of my days to complete the simplest tasks to 
>>> more involved ones.
>>> Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
>>> Genius Bar might accomplish?
>>> Christine
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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

[Christine Grassman]

> Could you be more specific about “navigating around the problem area”? 
> Everything freezes, and I have to wait for a few seconds up to a couple of 
> minutes before I hear a click and “VoiceOver on,” . . . and then if I attempt 
> again the task I was attempting, again, and again, and again, ad nauseam.

> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem area.  
> I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can think of is 
> for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility every time it 
> happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable consequences in terms of 
> support.
> Marshall
> 
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
>> utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what web 
>> browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what I do, 
>> whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read through headings 
>> or other information, busy becomes a monster and is costing literally taking 
>> hours out of my days to complete the simplest tasks to more involved ones.
>> Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
>> Genius Bar might accomplish?
>> Christine
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Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

[Christine Grassman]

I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk utility 
first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what web browser I 
use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what I do, whenever I 
perform searches, try to fill anything out, read through headings or other 
information, busy becomes a monster and is costing literally taking hours out 
of my days to cpmplete the simplest tasks to more involved ones.
Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the Genius 
Bar might accomplish?
Christine

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Mission Control keeps popping up when I try to change volume

[Christine Grassman]

I’ve had to resort to the old VO dash and plus for volume since my function 
keys have suddenly started bringing up mission control. I did not make any 
changes and have no memory of how this was changed. Help would be appreciated.
Christine

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Re: A Question About The Uber App

[Christine Grassman]

Once you have scheduled a ride and you receive the driver’s name, license, and 
car make and model, you can call or text (I always text, figuring he or she is 
driving) and inform the driver. Alternatively, you can wait unntil the “Your 
Uber has arrived,” and tell them to look for you and that you have a cane. You 
also have the option of putting a photo of yourself in your profile so that the 
driver can look for you. 
HTH.
Christine

> On Jul 19, 2018, at 1:31 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I don't know if I've asked this before but, if so, I cannot remember the
> answer.  When scheduling a ride via the Uber app, is it possible to indicate
> that one is blind or uses a mobility aid  such as a white cane?
> 
> I ask because I'm just wondering how a totally blind person would realize
> that the car has arrived.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
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Re: Once and for all, is there a darned thing I can do to stop all my web browsers from the "busy" refrain?

[Christine Grassman]

No, I haven’t. I’m clueless; I am one of those who is terrified of screwing up 
something if I do not know absolutely everything about what I am doing. I’ll 
look into it, though; this is becoming exceedingly disruptive.


> On Jun 12, 2018, at 2:37 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> HI!
> Have you used any cleaning utilities to clear out cache and history data and 
> such?
> That might help.
> /A
> 
>> 12 juni 2018 kl. 15:53 skrev Christine Grassman > <mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com>>:
>> 
>> Yes, I used to have luck with these suggestions most of the time, but it 
>> happens persistently now, no matter what the site, and with chrome as well. 
>> It says busy, and/or freezes until I move to another application, and not 
>> until the computer seems to “hiccup” and say “VoiceOver on” can I attempt 
>> doing something with the browser again, which usually pulls the same thing 
>> over and over until I give up.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Tim Kilburn >> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> This is caused usually by sites that have a lot of content and complicated 
>>> coding.  Sometimes, I just cmd-tab out of Safari, then do something for a 
>>> few seconds, then cmd-tab back into Safari and things are better.  Other 
>>> times, I toggle VO off, wait a few seconds then turn it back on.  Other 
>>> times, I press tab to start bringing focus into the web area and it just 
>>> continues to buffer but I can still get places in the web area.  Overall, 
>>> it kind of depends on the amount of memory and processing power that your 
>>> Mac has along with how good the web-site coding is.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 18:22, Jessica Moss >> <mailto:junglebookfa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’d really love to know that too, for the exact same reason.  I had this 
>>> same issue several times, one of them being during a critical time today 
>>> when I was trying to navigate the myflorida site, which I not only dispise, 
>>> had verry little time to do it in, and had to get Hannah’s medicaid form 
>>> filled out for renewal whether I wanted to do it or not, which takes what 
>>> seems like forever and the staff at DCF act like they’re less than thrilled 
>>> to help.
>>>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:42 AM, Christine Grassman >>> <mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Ugh! It’s infuriating, especially when I am working on something 
>>>> significant. 
>>>> Christine
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Re: Once and for all, is there a darned thing I can do to stop all my web browsers from the "busy" refrain?

[Christine Grassman]

Take your pick of any common web site, and it happens: Amazon, Netflix, 
government web sites, news sites, commercial sites. I changed preferences as 
suggested, and now it keeps saying “loaded” as I read the page. 
Christine

> On Jun 12, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Try going into VO Utility, Web, then Page Loading tab.  Uncheck both items in 
> there and change the "While Loading" menu to "Do Nothing".
> 
> Also, could you send an example link of one of the sites that gives you 
> grief?  I'd like to see how it behaves for me.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 12, 2018, at 09:05, Christine Grassman  <mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>   
> 
>> What preferences do you suggest I reset?
> It happens both on my account and on a “guest” account.
> 
>> On Jun 12, 2018, at 10:02 AM, Alex Hall > <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Does this happen on other user accounts? Have you tried resetting your VO 
>> preferences? 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 12, 2018, at 05:34, David Chittenden > <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> My partner switched to Chrome because of the constantly spinning icon which 
>>> means busy for the sighted. So, though not as bad for sighted folk, it can 
>>> and does happen, depending on the age and power of the system.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
>>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 12 Jun 2018, at 12:29, Arnold Schmidt >> <mailto:arno...@mindspring.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I have  always been curious: Is this strictly a VoiceOver issue, or would 
>>>> a sighted person also have problems using Safari on these sights? 
>>>> 
>>>> Arnold Schmidt 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Tim Kilburn >>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> This is caused usually by sites that have a lot of content and complicated 
>>>> coding.  Sometimes, I just cmd-tab out of Safari, then do something for a 
>>>> few seconds, then cmd-tab back into Safari and things are better.  Other 
>>>> times, I toggle VO off, wait a few seconds then turn it back on.  Other 
>>>> times, I press tab to start bringing focus into the web area and it just 
>>>> continues to buffer but I can still get places in the web area.  Overall, 
>>>> it kind of depends on the amount of memory and processing power that your 
>>>> Mac has along with how good the web-site coding is.
>>>> 
>>>> Later...
>>>> 
>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 18:22, Jessica Moss >>> <mailto:junglebookfa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I’d really love to know that too, for the exact same reason.  I had this 
>>>> same issue several times, one of them being during a critical time today 
>>>> when I was trying to navigate the myflorida site, which I not only 
>>>> dispise, had verry little time to do it in, and had to get Hannah’s 
>>>> medicaid form filled out for renewal whether I wanted to do it or not, 
>>>> which takes what seems like forever and the staff at DCF act like they’re 
>>>> less than thrilled to help.
>>>>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:42 AM, Christine Grassman >>>> <mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ugh! It’s infuriating, especially when I am working on something 
>>>>> significant. 
>>>>> Christine
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Re: Once and for all, is there a darned thing I can do to stop all my web browsers from the "busy" refrain?

[Christine Grassman]

> What preferences do you suggest I reset?
It happens both on my account and on a “guest” account.

> On Jun 12, 2018, at 10:02 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Does this happen on other user accounts? Have you tried resetting your VO 
> preferences? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 12, 2018, at 05:34, David Chittenden  <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> My partner switched to Chrome because of the constantly spinning icon which 
>> means busy for the sighted. So, though not as bad for sighted folk, it can 
>> and does happen, depending on the age and power of the system.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 12 Jun 2018, at 12:29, Arnold Schmidt > <mailto:arno...@mindspring.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have  always been curious: Is this strictly a VoiceOver issue, or would a 
>>> sighted person also have problems using Safari on these sights? 
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Tim Kilburn >> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> This is caused usually by sites that have a lot of content and complicated 
>>> coding.  Sometimes, I just cmd-tab out of Safari, then do something for a 
>>> few seconds, then cmd-tab back into Safari and things are better.  Other 
>>> times, I toggle VO off, wait a few seconds then turn it back on.  Other 
>>> times, I press tab to start bringing focus into the web area and it just 
>>> continues to buffer but I can still get places in the web area.  Overall, 
>>> it kind of depends on the amount of memory and processing power that your 
>>> Mac has along with how good the web-site coding is.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 18:22, Jessica Moss >> <mailto:junglebookfa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’d really love to know that too, for the exact same reason.  I had this 
>>> same issue several times, one of them being during a critical time today 
>>> when I was trying to navigate the myflorida site, which I not only dispise, 
>>> had verry little time to do it in, and had to get Hannah’s medicaid form 
>>> filled out for renewal whether I wanted to do it or not, which takes what 
>>> seems like forever and the staff at DCF act like they’re less than thrilled 
>>> to help.
>>>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:42 AM, Christine Grassman >>> <mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Ugh! It’s infuriating, especially when I am working on something 
>>>> significant. 
>>>> Christine
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Re: Once and for all, is there a darned thing I can do to stop all my web browsers from the "busy" refrain?

[Christine Grassman]

I switched to Chrome to avoid this garbage, but it is doing the same thing, 
almost as often.


> On Jun 12, 2018, at 5:34 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> My partner switched to Chrome because of the constantly spinning icon which 
> means busy for the sighted. So, though not as bad for sighted folk, it can 
> and does happen, depending on the age and power of the system.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 12 Jun 2018, at 12:29, Arnold Schmidt  <mailto:arno...@mindspring.com>> wrote:
> 
>> I have  always been curious: Is this strictly a VoiceOver issue, or would a 
>> sighted person also have problems using Safari on these sights? 
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Tim Kilburn > <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> This is caused usually by sites that have a lot of content and complicated 
>> coding.  Sometimes, I just cmd-tab out of Safari, then do something for a 
>> few seconds, then cmd-tab back into Safari and things are better.  Other 
>> times, I toggle VO off, wait a few seconds then turn it back on.  Other 
>> times, I press tab to start bringing focus into the web area and it just 
>> continues to buffer but I can still get places in the web area.  Overall, it 
>> kind of depends on the amount of memory and processing power that your Mac 
>> has along with how good the web-site coding is.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
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>> 
>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 18:22, Jessica Moss > <mailto:junglebookfa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’d really love to know that too, for the exact same reason.  I had this 
>> same issue several times, one of them being during a critical time today 
>> when I was trying to navigate the myflorida site, which I not only dispise, 
>> had verry little time to do it in, and had to get Hannah’s medicaid form 
>> filled out for renewal whether I wanted to do it or not, which takes what 
>> seems like forever and the staff at DCF act like they’re less than thrilled 
>> to help.
>>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:42 AM, Christine Grassman >> <mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>> Ugh! It’s infuriating, especially when I am working on something 
>>> significant. 
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Re: Once and for all, is there a darned thing I can do to stop all my web browsers from the "busy" refrain?

[Christine Grassman]

Yes, I used to have luck with these suggestions most of the time, but it 
happens persistently now, no matter what the site, and with chrome as well. It 
says busy, and/or freezes until I move to another application, and not until 
the computer seems to “hiccup” and say “VoiceOver on” can I attempt doing 
something with the browser again, which usually pulls the same thing over and 
over until I give up.


> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> This is caused usually by sites that have a lot of content and complicated 
> coding.  Sometimes, I just cmd-tab out of Safari, then do something for a few 
> seconds, then cmd-tab back into Safari and things are better.  Other times, I 
> toggle VO off, wait a few seconds then turn it back on.  Other times, I press 
> tab to start bringing focus into the web area and it just continues to buffer 
> but I can still get places in the web area.  Overall, it kind of depends on 
> the amount of memory and processing power that your Mac has along with how 
> good the web-site coding is.
> 
> Later...
> 
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 11, 2018, at 18:22, Jessica Moss  <mailto:junglebookfa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> I’d really love to know that too, for the exact same reason.  I had this same 
> issue several times, one of them being during a critical time today when I 
> was trying to navigate the myflorida site, which I not only dispise, had 
> verry little time to do it in, and had to get Hannah’s medicaid form filled 
> out for renewal whether I wanted to do it or not, which takes what seems like 
> forever and the staff at DCF act like they’re less than thrilled to help.
>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:42 AM, Christine Grassman > <mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> Ugh! It’s infuriating, especially when I am working on something 
>> significant. 
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Once and for all, is there a darned thing I can do to stop all my web browsers from the "busy" refrain?

[Christine Grassman]

Ugh! It’s infuriating, especially when I am working on something significant. 
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Re: Exceedingly aggravating Google Chrome Issue

[Christine Grassman]

> Thank you. I was able to get things going, though now in addition to having a 
> working version of Chrome on my dock, I have a space that says “Google Chrome 
> not found,” and I cannot figure out how to get rid of it. But thank you for 
> your offer of help.
Christine
> On Jun 10, 2018, at 11:13 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Try using AppCleaner to clear out Google Chrome preference files. If you 
> don't want to download an App for this, I can provide details manual 
> instructions. If you want the manual instructions, let me know if you prefer 
> terminal or Finder and what version of MacOS you ar using.
> 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2018, at 6:12 PM, Christine Grassman > <mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all:
>> I have just about had it with SAfari busy, and have noticed I have fewer 
>> issues with Google Chrome. So I changed it to my default browser and 
>> downloaded the newest version. The problem is, each and every time I open it 
>> from the dock, I get a message like “”Your profile could not be used because 
>> it is associated with a newer version of Chrome. Some features may not be 
>> available. Provide a different path to your profile or use a newer version 
>> of Chrome.” Thing is, as far as I can tell, only the newer version is on my 
>> computer. I tried trashing, rebooting, redownloading, and reinstalling. I 
>> don’t know what’s happening. 
>> Christine
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Re: Can not pair my braille display with the mac.

[Christine Grassman]

I have the opposite issue with my HandiTech Actilino: Bluetooth works 
wonderfully with my MacBook Air and iPhone 8, but there is no USB communication 
(although there was a few months ago). My current workaround is a micro card 
reader; it does what I need, so for now, that’s good enough. It is so difficult 
to figure out whether there is an Apple problem or a HandiTech problem. I 
updated the firmware on the device using a Windows computer; rebooted my 
MacBook; set the Actilino to factory defaults; made sure other devices were 
communicating just fine . . . reset SMC and PRAM on the MacBook Air. Nothing 
changed. I know this doesn’t help with your problem, but at least it 
demonstrates a pattern of communication issues with Apple and HandiTech. My 
issue was reported; I suggest you do the same. ARe you on the HT-Braille 
mailing list for users of HandiTech devices? If not, I could inquire as to 
whether anyone else is having this issue.
Christine


> On Jun 9, 2018, at 3:20 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I think i’ve mentioned this before but its very very strange to me.
> I have a Handytech Basic Braille 40 here and as it can handle both usb and 
> bluetooth and is able to switch between them i would like to have my linux 
> computer connected via usb and the mac connected via bluetooth.
> But for some odd reason i can not pair this handytech device to the mac via 
> bluetooth.
> Usb is fine with no problems.
> I can’t believe that there should be specific drivers for the display in 
> order to work with bluetooth.
> My VarioUltra 20 can be paired with success so this is very very strange 
> indeed.
> Reading the documentation only mentions pc, Ios and Android with bluetooth 
> but it doesn’t state that it is impossible to pair it with the mac.
> Infact i have paired it but voiceover can’t seem to handle it.
> Its not detected.
> Any ideas?
> Thanks in advance.
> /A
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Exceedingly aggravating Google Chrome Issue

[Christine Grassman]

Hello all:
I have just about had it with SAfari busy, and have noticed I have fewer issues 
with Google Chrome. So I changed it to my default browser and downloaded the 
newest version. The problem is, each and every time I open it from the dock, I 
get a message like “”Your profile could not be used because it is associated 
with a newer version of Chrome. Some features may not be available. Provide a 
different path to your profile or use a newer version of Chrome.” Thing is, as 
far as I can tell, only the newer version is on my computer. I tried trashing, 
rebooting, redownloading, and reinstalling. I don’t know what’s happening. 
Christine

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Any accessible apps for Mac and/or iPhone for digitally signing documents in other than pdf format?

[Christine Grassman]

Subject query says it all. For example, is docusign accessible? TIA.
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Re: Micro card reader recommendations, please

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> I will do so. Shop around for a good deal. I understand none of them will 
> break the bank at any rate.

> On May 29, 2018, at 2:37 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   That's good. (smiles) I mentioned the brands because cheap ones do not 
> last. The Lexar I have had for 5 years. The model number is LRW025URBNA in 
> case you wish to look at it.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 5/29/2018 11:00 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:
>> Thanks so much. See, I am not ignoring you. :-)
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On May 29, 2018, at 11:01 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   No need for Mac compatible. Anker and Lexar make good card readers that 
>>> support many card types.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>>> On 5/29/2018 5:21 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:
>>>> Good day all. I have never owned a card reader, and am clueless as to 
>>>> whether I need to look for something specifically Mac-compatible. Thanks.
>>>> Christine
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Re: Micro card reader recommendations, please

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Thanks so much. See, I am not ignoring you. :-)

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 29, 2018, at 11:01 AM, E.T.  wrote:
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>   No need for Mac compatible. Anker and Lexar make good card readers that 
> support many card types.
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> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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>> Good day all. I have never owned a card reader, and am clueless as to 
>> whether I need to look for something specifically Mac-compatible. Thanks.
>> Christine
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Micro card reader recommendations, please

[Christine Grassman]

Good day all. I have never owned a card reader, and am clueless as to whether I 
need to look for something specifically Mac-compatible. Thanks.
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Re: Going Insane Looking for USB Devices on My MacBook Air

[Christine Grassman]

> There are only internal volumes being read. On May 29, 2018, at 2:32 AM, 
> Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Kristine,
> 
> What is the name or label on the USB flash drive you are using?
> 
> When your in computer that's the command shift c that alex mentioned,
> Are you able to tab through the different devices 
> Also listen for any lists or tables that might require expansion!
> 
> But if you've not yet tried have a look at things with disk utility and see 
> what external devices are connected.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Christine Grassman
> Sent: Tuesday, 29 May 2018 6:41 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Going Insane Looking for USB Devices on My MacBook Air
> 
> 
> 
>> OK. It shows “Christine’s MacBook Air,” and when I interact with the list, 
>> it has “Volume, Network, Remote Disk,” all collapsed. When I expand “remote 
>> disk,” it’s empty, regardless of whether the Actilino (or anything else) is 
>> connected. The others “Volume,"” and “Network,” show a variety of folders 
>> and files.
> 
>> On May 28, 2018, at 2:24 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> I haven't followed this closely, so this may be a repeat. When you press 
>> cmd-shift-c, what do you get? This should show you all the external and 
>> internal drives on the Mac, as well as any networked drives available.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 28, 2018, at 12:29, Christine Grassman  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I cannot even find the Devices heading. I have been in and out of the 
>>>> Sidebar, I have rebooted, I have done an SMC restore; I have checked Desk 
>>>> Utility . . . I don’t know what is going on. The most important thing I 
>>>> need to do is transfer files from my MacBook to my Actilino braille 
>>>> display, so if anyone uses these two devices together, please weigh in. 
>>>> I’ve never had trouble with this before, other than a cable glitch.
>>> 
>>>> On May 28, 2018, at 10:55 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> You are not seeing any devices connected to the USB port in the sidebar 
>>>> under the Devices heading? Have you done a reboot since this started? I've 
>>>> not seen this behavior with any mscOS update.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>>>> true?
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/28/2018 2:28 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:
>>>>>> Yes. I can get to my Computer, but it is not showing. Nor is it showing 
>>>>>> in system report, hardware, USB. However, in one particular example, 
>>>>>> when I connect my Braille display, it makes a low chirp, indicating 
>>>>>> there is some sort of communication going on. But it is nowhere to be 
>>>>>> found.
>>>>> Christine
>>>>>> On May 27, 2018, at 8:47 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Under finder, can you not find the Go menu and the computer option under 
>>>>>> that menu?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Or just the short cuts from the finder window: shift command + c
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Simon Fogarty
>>>>>> Dunedin, NZ
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Em: si...@fogarty.net.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 28/05/2018, at 11:51 AM, Christine Grassman 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I don’t know what is going on, all, but some time in the past couple of 
>>>>>>> months since I last used a USB device, something has conspired to make 
>>>>>>> me completely unable to locate them in order to transfer anything. I 
>>>>>>> have looked everywhere: in USB in System Monitor, in Computer, I sought 
>>>>>>> the Devices sidebar, (which, too, seems to have disappeared, along with 
>>>>>>> All My Files). Everything else seems in order: Documents, Downloads, 
>>>>>>> Library, etc., but nothing I do is locating any connections or devices. 
>>>>>>> Any help would be sincerely appreciated. Did something happen in a 
>>>>>>> recent update and I am merely woefully uninformed as to whatever 
>>>>>>> changes were made that requir

Re: Going Insane Looking for USB Devices on My MacBook Air

[Christine Grassman]

> No.On May 29, 2018, at 2:20 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Can you see it under disk utility?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Christine Grassman
> Sent: Monday, 28 May 2018 9:28 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Going Insane Looking for USB Devices on My MacBook Air
> 
> 
> 
>> Yes. I can get to my Computer, but it is not showing. Nor is it showing in 
>> system report, hardware, USB. However, in one particular example, when I 
>> connect my Braille display, it makes a low chirp, indicating there is some 
>> sort of communication going on. But it is nowhere to be found.
> Christine
>> On May 27, 2018, at 8:47 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Under finder, can you not find the Go menu and the computer option under 
>> that menu?
>> 
>> Or just the short cuts from the finder window: shift command + c
>> 
>> Simon Fogarty
>> Dunedin, NZ
>> 
>> Em: si...@fogarty.net.
>> 
>>> On 28/05/2018, at 11:51 AM, Christine Grassman  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don’t know what is going on, all, but some time in the past couple of 
>>> months since I last used a USB device, something has conspired to make me 
>>> completely unable to locate them in order to transfer anything. I have 
>>> looked everywhere: in USB in System Monitor, in Computer, I sought the 
>>> Devices sidebar, (which, too, seems to have disappeared, along with All My 
>>> Files). Everything else seems in order: Documents, Downloads, Library, 
>>> etc., but nothing I do is locating any connections or devices. Any help 
>>> would be sincerely appreciated. Did something happen in a recent update and 
>>> I am merely woefully uninformed as to whatever changes were made that 
>>> require me to conduct my actions differently in order to do a simple 
>>> transfer or saving of files? TIA.
>>> Christine
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Re: Going Insane Looking for USB Devices on My MacBook Air

[Christine Grassman]

> Used a thumb drive at work on FRiday, but don’t have it with me to try at the 
> moment.

> On May 28, 2018, at 3:03 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Have you tried any other USB devices, external drives, thumb drives, card 
> reader, anything other than the braille display?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 5/28/2018 9:29 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:
>>> I cannot even find the Devices heading. I have been in and out of the 
>>> Sidebar, I have rebooted, I have done an SMC restore; I have checked Desk 
>>> Utility . . . I don’t know what is going on. The most important thing I 
>>> need to do is transfer files from my MacBook to my Actilino braille 
>>> display, so if anyone uses these two devices together, please weigh in. 
>>> I’ve never had trouble with this before, other than a cable glitch.
>>> On May 28, 2018, at 10:55 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   You are not seeing any devices connected to the USB port in the sidebar 
>>> under the Devices heading? Have you done a reboot since this started? I've 
>>> not seen this behavior with any mscOS update.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 5/28/2018 2:28 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:
>>>>> Yes. I can get to my Computer, but it is not showing. Nor is it showing 
>>>>> in system report, hardware, USB. However, in one particular example, when 
>>>>> I connect my Braille display, it makes a low chirp, indicating there is 
>>>>> some sort of communication going on. But it is nowhere to be found.
>>>> Christine
>>>>> On May 27, 2018, at 8:47 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Under finder, can you not find the Go menu and the computer option under 
>>>>> that menu?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Or just the short cuts from the finder window: shift command + c
>>>>> 
>>>>> Simon Fogarty
>>>>> Dunedin, NZ
>>>>> 
>>>>> Em: si...@fogarty.net.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 28/05/2018, at 11:51 AM, Christine Grassman  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I don’t know what is going on, all, but some time in the past couple of 
>>>>>> months since I last used a USB device, something has conspired to make 
>>>>>> me completely unable to locate them in order to transfer anything. I 
>>>>>> have looked everywhere: in USB in System Monitor, in Computer, I sought 
>>>>>> the Devices sidebar, (which, too, seems to have disappeared, along with 
>>>>>> All My Files). Everything else seems in order: Documents, Downloads, 
>>>>>> Library, etc., but nothing I do is locating any connections or devices. 
>>>>>> Any help would be sincerely appreciated. Did something happen in a 
>>>>>> recent update and I am merely woefully uninformed as to whatever changes 
>>>>>> were made that require me to conduct my actions differently in order to 
>>>>>> do a simple transfer or saving of files? TIA.
>>>>>> Christine
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Attention: Actilino Users with Macs; Urgent Help Needed

[Christine Grassman]

Please contact me off list so as not to clutter things up. Nutshell version if 
you haven’t seen my earlier posts: I cannot locate any USB devices on my 
MacBook Air, and it is particularly important that I transfer some files to the 
Actilino. This used to work just fine before.
Thanks.
Christine

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Re: Going Insane Looking for USB Devices on My MacBook Air

[Christine Grassman]

> OK. It shows “Christine’s MacBook Air,” and when I interact with the list, it 
> has “Volume, Network, Remote Disk,” all collapsed. When I expand “remote 
> disk,” it’s empty, regardless of whether the Actilino (or anything else) is 
> connected. The others “Volume,"” and “Network,” show a variety of folders and 
> files.

>  On May 28, 2018, at 2:24 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I haven't followed this closely, so this may be a repeat. When you press 
> cmd-shift-c, what do you get? This should show you all the external and 
> internal drives on the Mac, as well as any networked drives available.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 28, 2018, at 12:29, Christine Grassman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> I cannot even find the Devices heading. I have been in and out of the 
>>> Sidebar, I have rebooted, I have done an SMC restore; I have checked Desk 
>>> Utility . . . I don’t know what is going on. The most important thing I 
>>> need to do is transfer files from my MacBook to my Actilino braille 
>>> display, so if anyone uses these two devices together, please weigh in. 
>>> I’ve never had trouble with this before, other than a cable glitch.
>> 
>>> On May 28, 2018, at 10:55 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You are not seeing any devices connected to the USB port in the sidebar 
>>> under the Devices heading? Have you done a reboot since this started? I've 
>>> not seen this behavior with any mscOS update.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 5/28/2018 2:28 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:
>>>>> Yes. I can get to my Computer, but it is not showing. Nor is it showing 
>>>>> in system report, hardware, USB. However, in one particular example, when 
>>>>> I connect my Braille display, it makes a low chirp, indicating there is 
>>>>> some sort of communication going on. But it is nowhere to be found.
>>>> Christine
>>>>> On May 27, 2018, at 8:47 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Under finder, can you not find the Go menu and the computer option under 
>>>>> that menu?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Or just the short cuts from the finder window: shift command + c
>>>>> 
>>>>> Simon Fogarty
>>>>> Dunedin, NZ
>>>>> 
>>>>> Em: si...@fogarty.net.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 28/05/2018, at 11:51 AM, Christine Grassman  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I don’t know what is going on, all, but some time in the past couple of 
>>>>>> months since I last used a USB device, something has conspired to make 
>>>>>> me completely unable to locate them in order to transfer anything. I 
>>>>>> have looked everywhere: in USB in System Monitor, in Computer, I sought 
>>>>>> the Devices sidebar, (which, too, seems to have disappeared, along with 
>>>>>> All My Files). Everything else seems in order: Documents, Downloads, 
>>>>>> Library, etc., but nothing I do is locating any connections or devices. 
>>>>>> Any help would be sincerely appreciated. Did something happen in a 
>>>>>> recent update and I am merely woefully uninformed as to whatever changes 
>>>>>> were made that require me to conduct my actions differently in order to 
>>>>>> do a simple transfer or saving of files? TIA.
>>>>>> Christine
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Re: Going Insane Looking for USB Devices on My MacBook Air

[Christine Grassman]

> I cannot even find the Devices heading. I have been in and out of the 
> Sidebar, I have rebooted, I have done an SMC restore; I have checked Desk 
> Utility . . . I don’t know what is going on. The most important thing I need 
> to do is transfer files from my MacBook to my Actilino braille display, so if 
> anyone uses these two devices together, please weigh in. I’ve never had 
> trouble with this before, other than a cable glitch.

> On May 28, 2018, at 10:55 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   You are not seeing any devices connected to the USB port in the sidebar 
> under the Devices heading? Have you done a reboot since this started? I've 
> not seen this behavior with any mscOS update.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 5/28/2018 2:28 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:
>>> Yes. I can get to my Computer, but it is not showing. Nor is it showing in 
>>> system report, hardware, USB. However, in one particular example, when I 
>>> connect my Braille display, it makes a low chirp, indicating there is some 
>>> sort of communication going on. But it is nowhere to be found.
>> Christine
>>> On May 27, 2018, at 8:47 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Under finder, can you not find the Go menu and the computer option under 
>>> that menu?
>>> 
>>> Or just the short cuts from the finder window: shift command + c
>>> 
>>> Simon Fogarty
>>> Dunedin, NZ
>>> 
>>> Em: si...@fogarty.net.
>>> 
>>>> On 28/05/2018, at 11:51 AM, Christine Grassman  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I don’t know what is going on, all, but some time in the past couple of 
>>>> months since I last used a USB device, something has conspired to make me 
>>>> completely unable to locate them in order to transfer anything. I have 
>>>> looked everywhere: in USB in System Monitor, in Computer, I sought the 
>>>> Devices sidebar, (which, too, seems to have disappeared, along with All My 
>>>> Files). Everything else seems in order: Documents, Downloads, Library, 
>>>> etc., but nothing I do is locating any connections or devices. Any help 
>>>> would be sincerely appreciated. Did something happen in a recent update 
>>>> and I am merely woefully uninformed as to whatever changes were made that 
>>>> require me to conduct my actions differently in order to do a simple 
>>>> transfer or saving of files? TIA.
>>>> Christine
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Re: Going Insane Looking for USB Devices on My MacBook Air

[Christine Grassman]

> Yes. I can get to my Computer, but it is not showing. Nor is it showing in 
> system report, hardware, USB. However, in one particular example, when I 
> connect my Braille display, it makes a low chirp, indicating there is some 
> sort of communication going on. But it is nowhere to be found.
Christine
> On May 27, 2018, at 8:47 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Under finder, can you not find the Go menu and the computer option under that 
> menu?
> 
> Or just the short cuts from the finder window: shift command + c
> 
> Simon Fogarty
> Dunedin, NZ
> 
> Em: si...@fogarty.net.
> 
>> On 28/05/2018, at 11:51 AM, Christine Grassman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t know what is going on, all, but some time in the past couple of 
>> months since I last used a USB device, something has conspired to make me 
>> completely unable to locate them in order to transfer anything. I have 
>> looked everywhere: in USB in System Monitor, in Computer, I sought the 
>> Devices sidebar, (which, too, seems to have disappeared, along with All My 
>> Files). Everything else seems in order: Documents, Downloads, Library, etc., 
>> but nothing I do is locating any connections or devices. Any help would be 
>> sincerely appreciated. Did something happen in a recent update and I am 
>> merely woefully uninformed as to whatever changes were made that require me 
>> to conduct my actions differently in order to do a simple transfer or saving 
>> of files? TIA.
>> Christine
>> 
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Going Insane Looking for USB Devices on My MacBook Air

[Christine Grassman]

I don’t know what is going on, all, but some time in the past couple of months 
since I last used a USB device, something has conspired to make me completely 
unable to locate them in order to transfer anything. I have looked everywhere: 
in USB in System Monitor, in Computer, I sought the Devices sidebar, (which, 
too, seems to have disappeared, along with All My Files). Everything else seems 
in order: Documents, Downloads, Library, etc., but nothing I do is locating any 
connections or devices. Any help would be sincerely appreciated. Did something 
happen in a recent update and I am merely woefully uninformed as to whatever 
changes were made that require me to conduct my actions differently in order to 
do a simple transfer or saving of files? TIA.
Christine

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Re: Braille Displays

[Christine Grassman]

> On the Sd card.On Apr 29, 2018, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin  
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> Hi Christine,
> 
> Can you actually store files on the display, or do you store them on the SD 
> card?
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 12:44 PM, Christine Grassman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Also, as far as Active Braille, Actilino, etc., there is Bluetooth 
>> conductivity, and you can read files that way as well. The SD card is merely 
>> if you want to use it as a stand-alone.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 1:42 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nope, micro sd cards aren’t going anywhere.
>>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 1:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don’t think those cards are going to disappear anytime soon. It may not 
>>> be a full-size SD card. It’s some kind of ST card, and I’m not sure what 
>>> kind. Certain flavors of SD cards are going to be around for a long time. 
>>> Look at all the phones that still use them, plus cameras etc.
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Re: Braille Displays

[Christine Grassman]

All things being equal, I would prefer 40 cells as well; however, it just isn’t 
in the old budget. Also, I love true portability. I am looking forward to 
Bristol’s Canute 40-line display; this is something I have dreamed of having 
for years. My reading speed just cries out for it. :)
Christine


> On Apr 29, 2018, at 1:41 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   A pen with 12 cells, cute. The BS Plus with 32 cells made reading of Bard 
> books not so fun. So I too will never settle for less than 40. I also do not 
> think I would go for a multi line display but would like to check one out 
> just for grins.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> On 4/29/2018 10:25 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> There is a twelve.  It's called the BraillePen.  You couldn't give me one of 
>> those things for free.  I don't even really like having 32 cells.  Anything 
>> under forty is just too small, IMHO.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 12:16 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   How about 14? And maybe even a 12? I think there is a 12. Yes anything 
>>> less than 40 is out, even 32.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>>> Many believe that we have been visited
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>>> 
>>> On 4/29/2018 10:12 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 Yikes!  Having only sixteen cells would be an immediate deal-breaker for 
 me.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Apr 29, 2018, at 11:38 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> I got the actilino used. I wanted something in case my VU died. the dots 
> on it are becoming *very* soft. some of them hardly come up at all. I 
> thought I would use the actilino as a backup, but I am using it 
> exclusively now. I still love the vu, but the ability of the actilino to 
> scroll based on your finger position is game changing for me. It works 
> anywhere, even an iphone. I *love* it. It is definitely not as good on 
> the software end as vario, but I don’t mind the work arounds I have to do 
> on my mac to get grade 2 braille onto it. the Active tactile control or 
> whatever they call the scrolling is amazing.
> 
> On Apr 29, 2018, at 12:33 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Yep.  Their last truly innovative product was the PacMate.  That's been a 
> brick for a long time now, and they haven't done anything since 
> then--except eat other companies.
> 
> One thing I would suggest as a factor for consideration is the notetaker 
> component.  I really like having a display that functions as an 
> independent notetaker.  I use that feature a lot, either just to jot down 
> notes, or to read books when I don't want to be tied to a phone or a 
> computer.  I would never again purchase a braille display that didn't 
> have a built-in word processor.  I don't care about having a calendar and 
> all that because I do all that on my phone.  But having a word processor 
> is non-negotiable for me.
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Re: Braille Displays

[Christine Grassman]

Also, as far as Active Braille, Actilino, etc., there is Bluetooth 
conductivity, and you can read files that way as well. The SD card is merely if 
you want to use it as a stand-alone.


> On Apr 29, 2018, at 1:42 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
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> Nope, micro sd cards aren’t going anywhere.
> 
> On Apr 29, 2018, at 1:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> I don’t think those cards are going to disappear anytime soon. It may not be 
> a full-size SD card. It’s some kind of ST card, and I’m not sure what kind. 
> Certain flavors of SD cards are going to be around for a long time. Look at 
> all the phones that still use them, plus cameras etc.
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Re: Braille Displays

[Christine Grassman]

I move files from my Mac to the SD card. 

> On Apr 29, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Jason,
> 
> I demoed a HandyTech display a long time ago--like around 2007--and strongly 
> disliked the file transfer protocol.  The display had to be connected to the 
> computer, and you used some program under Windows Utilities I think, like 
> maybe VTerm?  It was slow and annoying.  How does one currently move files 
> back and forth between the displays you mention and a Mac or PC?
> 
> The other thing I remember is that you couldn't open a file to the place you 
> were when you last closed it.  Every time you opened a file, you were placed 
> at the beginning.  Is that still the case?
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 12:21 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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>> E.T.  wrote:
>>>  How about 14? And maybe even a 12? I think there is a 12. Yes anything
>>> less than 40 is out, even 32.
>> 
>> 
>> It's the same for me, as I read and edit text extensively. However, if you're
>> interested in the Active Tactile Control, the Active Braille, and the Braille
>> Star, are both 40-cell displays.
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Re: Braille Displays

[Christine Grassman]

In that case, the Active Braille has 40. Just a big Actilino, really.

http://attriumph.com/braille-products/handytech/active-braille 





> On Apr 29, 2018, at 1:16 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   How about 14? And maybe even a 12? I think there is a 12. Yes anything less 
> than 40 is out, even 32.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> Many believe that we have been visited
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> On 4/29/2018 10:12 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> Yikes!  Having only sixteen cells would be an immediate deal-breaker for me.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 11:38 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I got the actilino used. I wanted something in case my VU died. the dots on 
>>> it are becoming *very* soft. some of them hardly come up at all. I thought 
>>> I would use the actilino as a backup, but I am using it exclusively now. I 
>>> still love the vu, but the ability of the actilino to scroll based on your 
>>> finger position is game changing for me. It works anywhere, even an iphone. 
>>> I *love* it. It is definitely not as good on the software end as vario, but 
>>> I don’t mind the work arounds I have to do on my mac to get grade 2 braille 
>>> onto it. the Active tactile control or whatever they call the scrolling is 
>>> amazing.
>>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 12:33 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yep.  Their last truly innovative product was the PacMate.  That's been a 
>>> brick for a long time now, and they haven't done anything since 
>>> then--except eat other companies.
>>> 
>>> One thing I would suggest as a factor for consideration is the notetaker 
>>> component.  I really like having a display that functions as an independent 
>>> notetaker.  I use that feature a lot, either just to jot down notes, or to 
>>> read books when I don't want to be tied to a phone or a computer.  I would 
>>> never again purchase a braille display that didn't have a built-in word 
>>> processor.  I don't care about having a calendar and all that because I do 
>>> all that on my phone.  But having a word processor is non-negotiable for me.
>>> Cheers,
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Re: Braille Displays

[Christine Grassman]

I agree wholeheartedly about everything. I would love it if the scrolling could 
go even faster, but then, I am a really fast reader, and I guess there is only 
a certain degree of swiftness one can expect from refreshing dots. Since I have 
carpal tunnel syndrome, it is absolutely wonderful not to have to keep pushing 
something to move along as quickly as I would have to (but you can, if you 
wish). 
Christine


> On Apr 29, 2018, at 12:38 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> I got the actilino used. I wanted something in case my VU died. the dots on 
> it are becoming *very* soft. some of them hardly come up at all. I thought I 
> would use the actilino as a backup, but I am using it exclusively now. I 
> still love the vu, but the ability of the actilino to scroll based on your 
> finger position is game changing for me. It works anywhere, even an iphone. I 
> *love* it. It is definitely not as good on the software end as vario, but I 
> don’t mind the work arounds I have to do on my mac to get grade 2 braille 
> onto it. the Active tactile control or whatever they call the scrolling is 
> amazing.
> 
> On Apr 29, 2018, at 12:33 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Yep.  Their last truly innovative product was the PacMate.  That's been a 
> brick for a long time now, and they haven't done anything since then--except 
> eat other companies.
> 
> One thing I would suggest as a factor for consideration is the notetaker 
> component.  I really like having a display that functions as an independent 
> notetaker.  I use that feature a lot, either just to jot down notes, or to 
> read books when I don't want to be tied to a phone or a computer.  I would 
> never again purchase a braille display that didn't have a built-in word 
> processor.  I don't care about having a calendar and all that because I do 
> all that on my phone.  But having a word processor is non-negotiable for me.
> Cheers,
> 
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OT: Anyone else having issues accessing bookshare site?

[Christine Grassman]

I’ve tried Safari and Chrome with no luck; I am receiving a “Safari cannot find 
the server” from Safari and a “try. . . “ list from Chrome such as checking 
diagnostics, settings, and connections. I am having no other issues with other 
frequented sites. 
Christine
P.S. I did send an email to their Technical support, which seems to have gone 
through, as I received a confirmationof receipt and a case number. I am just 
cuirous as to whether this is an issue with their side or mine. 

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Re: Mail composing issue

[Christine Grassman]

Yes, this is what I was referring to when I said you had to get to the line, 
and sometimes the word, you want to edit by interacting specifically on that 
line. It usually works if you use the up and down arrows to get to the line you 
want, then the left and right arrows to get to the word, then interact. Not 
always. This has got to be one of the most aggravating aspects of my MacBook 
right now, other than the frequent “busy” messages and the sudden freezing then 
returning of VoiceOver at random times. I also have been experiencing a bunch 
of rapid clicks, often accompanied by VO not working, while reading a page in a 
browser. 
Christine


> On Jan 13, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The problem I have is when I want to edit something in an email I can't get 
> the cursor to the spot I want to edit and it is editing in a different part 
> of the email. Compounding this issue is that my cursor often jumps around and 
> I find myself typing somewhere other than where I meant to be.
> 
> Gabe
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christine Grassman
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 1:47 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mail composing issue
> 
> 
> 
>> I have found that if you wait about ten seconds, the changes show without 
>> having to shut off VO. I have also found that is often extremely difficult 
>> to edit without interacting with the text exactly where you want to make the 
>> edits. Additionally, I have resorted much of the time to the text edit 
>> method, or dictation. Iwill sometimes make edits on my iPhone by going into 
>> the Drafts folder. All in all, a real pain.
> Christine
> 
>> On Jan 13, 2018, at 4:31 PM, Tom Frank  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Yes. This is a big bug. Apple is aware of the problem but haven’t fixed it 
>>> yet.On Jan 12, 2018, at 8:56 PM, Eric Caron  wrote:
>> Please note there is a grammatical error in the above statement but, with 
>> this bug, I cannot correct it. The only way aroung this is to type something 
>> in text edit and then copy and paste it into your email.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi listers,
>>> 
>>> When composing emails I have a strange problem when trying to edit a 
>>> message.
>>> 
>>> When I go back into a message to change something I can’t hear the 
>>> change.  It is like nothing happened.  Then when I turn off voice over and 
>>> turn it on again, my changes can be heard.  This makes using mail very 
>>> difficult on my mac.
>>> 
>>> Anyone else having this problem?  Any tips on what I can do to fix it?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Eric Caron 
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Re: Mail composing issue

[Christine Grassman]

> I have found that if you wait about ten seconds, the changes show without 
> having to shut off VO. I have also found that is often extremely difficult to 
> edit without interacting with the text exactly where you want to make the 
> edits. Additionally, I have resorted much of the time to the text edit 
> method, or dictation. Iwill sometimes make edits on my iPhone by going into 
> the Drafts folder. All in all, a real pain.
Christine

> On Jan 13, 2018, at 4:31 PM, Tom Frank  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Yes. This is a big bug. Apple is aware of the problem but haven’t fixed it 
>> yet.On Jan 12, 2018, at 8:56 PM, Eric Caron  wrote:
> Please note there is a grammatical error in the above statement but, with 
> this bug, I cannot correct it. The only way aroung this is to type something 
> in text edit and then copy and paste it into your email.
>> 
>> 
>> Hi listers,
>> 
>>  When composing emails I have a strange problem when trying to edit a 
>> message.
>> 
>>  When I go back into a message to change something I can’t hear the 
>> change.  It is like nothing happened.  Then when I turn off voice over and 
>> turn it on again, my changes can be heard.  This makes using mail very 
>> difficult on my mac.
>> 
>>  Anyone else having this problem?  Any tips on what I can do to fix it?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Eric Caron 
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Has anyone used alison.com?

[Christine Grassman]

It looks like a great site, but is it VO accessible? I would appreciate hearing 
from anyone who has used it or has knowledge of anyone who has done so. Thank 
you. 
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A Host of Recurring, Annoying Issues: Related or Not?

[Christine Grassman]

It seems each week a new irritation is popping up. I have no idea if they are 
related, if it is High Sierra-based, that my computer is over three years old, 
or what.
1. I am constantly receiving “failure to deliver” messages in Apple Mail, 
ostensibly from Apple, for emails that do go through.
2. I receive “busy” messages constantly when navigating web sites, and it is 
becoming increasingly persistent.
3. When the “busy” craziness freezes the MacBook, if I wait about ten seconds 
to fifteen seconds, there is a click, I hear “VoiceOver on” and things go back 
to normal. This happens in different applications.
It is starting to interfere with my productivity.
FYI, my computer was recently fully diagnosed by Apple and was deemed in fine 
shape. I am running the latest software, and the only other thing I suppose is 
worth mentioning is that I am occasionally receiving notifications of remaining 
memory, which is currently at 16 GB.
Christine

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I am clearly missing something: keyboard commands not working to switch speaking rate, pitch, etc.

[Christine Grassman]

Did I miss some new command changes? VO Command Right Arrow and Left Arrow are 
not allowing me to change speech rate, pitch, etc. I just checked the 
appendices at Apple Support to see if anything was changed, but I’m getting the 
same commands. What gives?
TIA.
Christine

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Re: Yet another mail annoyance

[Christine Grassman]

> Quick correction: I get the phrase “new line” when I move around with the 
> arrow keys, not “space”.


> On Nov 30, 2017, at 8:21 AM, Christine Grassman  
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> A new issue has reared its head in Mail, and only on the MacBook, not on my 
> iPhone. Some emails open and all I can get is the word “Group”. Using the VO 
> keys or not, interacting or not, all I get is the word Group and the word 
> “Space” as I move up and down with the arrow keys. This happens randomly and 
> often, usually from commercial sites, but not exclusively..
> Christine
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Yet another mail annoyance

[Christine Grassman]

A new issue has reared its head in Mail, and only on the MacBook, not on my 
iPhone. Some emails open and all I can get is the word “Group”. Using the VO 
keys or not, interacting or not, all I get is the word Group and the word 
“Space” as I move up and down with the arrow keys. This happens randomly and 
often, usually from commercial sites, but not exclusively..
Christine

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FYI: Serious Security Vulnerability in High Sierra

[Christine Grassman]

https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/28/16711782/apple-macos-high-sierra-critical-password-security-flaw

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Re: Amazon Web Dialog Interference

[Christine Grassman]

I guess that is what I’ll have to do. I cleared cookies and it is still 
happening. It seems to be related to reviews: there is a ratings distribution 
for number of stars and a close button, but they never disappear. I am using 
the Safari and High Sierra; perhaps I’ll try another browser. Glad to know it 
isn’t just me. :)
Christine


> On Nov 26, 2017, at 10:42 PM, ecar...@comcast.net wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
>   I had the same problem and only solved it by using the mobile site. 
> Amazon.com/access <http://amazon.com/access>.  Or in my case 
> smile.amazon.com/access <http://smile.amazon.com/access>. 
> 
> Eric Caron 
> 
> 
> On Nov 26, 2017, at 21:24, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> 
> wrote:
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> Hello Christine,
> 
> I just performed a couple of searches on Amazon.com <http://amazon.com/>, 
> after reading your post.
> 
> I receive no such web dialog box, as described in your post.  
> 
> I am using Safari on Mac OS High Sierra.
> 
> Perhaps it might be useful to clear your website cookies and temp files.
> 
> Mark
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> Subject: Amazon Web Dialog Interference
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> I apologize if someone has brought this up already, but every single time I 
> try shopping on Amazon lately, a web dialog keeps coming up; there’s a close 
> button, but it doesn’t help. It is a nonstop occurrence, preventing me from 
> going through search results or from navigating the screen. Is anyone else 
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Amazon Web Dialog Interference

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I apologize if someone has brought this up already, but every single time I try 
shopping on Amazon lately, a web dialog keeps coming up; there’s a close 
button, but it doesn’t help. It is a nonstop occurrence, preventing me from 
going through search results or from navigating the screen. Is anyone else 
experiencing this, and does anyone know if there is a way to stop this idiocy? 
Thanks much.
Christine

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Re: The Mystery of the Disappearing Dock Icons . . .

[Christine Grassman]

I thought it had changed, but couoldn’t find the new key command. I finally had 
someone sighted do drag and drops. So odd; I guess I’ll never know . . . 
Christine


> On Nov 20, 2017, at 11:41 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> there's a few reasons that would cause them to be removed, but they would 
> need you to be using your TrackPad, or for you to specifically remove them 
> with the Contextual menu.  Both are unlikely, so I'm not sure.  the keyboard 
> shortcut you mentioned, is not the current keyboard shortcut for adding items 
> to the Dock.  It is ctrl-cmd-shift-t now.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 20, 2017, at 16:59, Christine Grassman  wrote:
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> So . . . suddenly . . . the Mail, Safari, and iTunes icons have disappeared 
> from my Dock. I can find them by going into the applications folder; I can 
> find them using Spotlight, but command shift T does not seem to work for 
> Apple applications that are typically on the Dock, and trying to drag and 
> drop as per Apple's Support page is not working either. Does anyone have any 
> clue how this could have happened, and what I must do to fix it? :) TIA.
> Christine
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The Mystery of the Disappearing Dock Icons . . .

[Christine Grassman]

So . . . suddenly . . . the Mail, Safari, and iTunes icons have disappeared 
from my Dock. I can find them by going into the applications folder; I can find 
them using Spotlight, but command shift T does not seem to work for Apple 
applications that are typically on the Dock, and trying to drag and drop as per 
Apple's Support page is not working either. Does anyone have any clue how this 
could have happened, and what I must do to fix it? :) TIA.
Christine

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Re: Aggravating USB issue

[Christine Grassman]

Actually, I have just tried again with the cable which acts as both interface 
cable nd charger (one plugs the cable into an adaptor) which kept falling out 
before; it’s a magnet where it attaches to the Actilino, which as we all know, 
can be tricky. But I have finally done it. I’m amazed the tech didn’t fiddle 
with things more, but I guess he figured it wasn’t an “Apple” issue . . . which 
really, it’s not, once we ascertained the MacBook was working fine. Aggravation 
terminated. :)


> On Nov 11, 2017, at 10:58 PM, Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
> 
> This was my initial response as well. However, it works quite nicely with 
> Bluetooth; the Braille is excellent; it is comfortable to use, and most 
> importantly for me, it has automatic tactile control which allows for reading 
> without having to manually go backwards and forwards (although one can, if 
> one wishes). I am an extremely fast Braille reader and I have tendinitis in 
> my dominant hand, so any extra repetitive motion is a no-no. I am also quite 
> confident that the manufacturer will get around to making Actilino as 
> compatible with Mac as with Windows. For my purposes, it is worth the 
> inconvenience. 
> Now, for the update regarding the original problem:
> Apparently, none of the USB cables I have appear to be the correct one for 
> connecting the Actilino to the MacBook. I require a male-to-male USB 3.0, 
> which is no longer standard, and Apple doesn’t carry it, nor any adaptors for 
> it. I’ve ordered a couple. Meanwhile, the Genius Bar member, Mike, who was 
> assisting me stated that I should ascertain that people copy and paste 
> between the Actilino and a MacBook this way, as he said he was not certain it 
> would work even with the correct cable. He suggested it might be more 
> feasible to copy my files onto a drive from the MacBook, then connect that 
> drive to the USB port and read on the Actilino. So I am off to the Handy Tech 
> list to clarify what others are doing. Apparently, my computer and all ports 
> are in tip-top shape, and the MacBook was reacting to a different USB cable 
> connection than it liked, as it was happening merely with the insertion of 
> the various cables, even without the Actilino attached. 
> Christine
> 
> 
>> On Nov 11, 2017, at 3:26 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> I looked at the actilino. I decided against it because it uses all windows 
>> software. there isn’t even a way to update it with a mac. that made it 
>> absolutely unfeasible for me.
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Christine Grassman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all:
>> For the past two days, I have attempted to connect an Actilino Braille 
>> display for the purpose of transferring BRF files to read on the Actilino. 
>> However, each time I connect it to my 2014 Macbook Air, I receive a “USB 
>> accessories disabled; remove the USB device which is drawing too much 
>> power”. I’m paraphrasing. I’ve tried connecting with the MacBook and the 
>> Actilino with and without AC power. I tried simply ignoring the message and 
>> checking system information to see if the Actilino was being read as an 
>> available device. Nope. Any ideas would be appreciated. Headed to the Apple 
>> store later for something entirely different, but I’m not sure if they can 
>> help with this: the question is: is this a glitch in the MacBook or the 
>> Actilino, or neither? Can’t see how it’s user error, but . . . you never 
>> know. :) It was also suggested that I hold down left shift, control, option, 
>> and the power key for at least ten seconds with the MacBook plugged in and 
>> all USB devices unplugged, then try again. No luck. I’ve tried rebooting. 
>> I’ve checked my disk. I suspect it isn’t worth attempting resetting the 
>> PRAM, but what do I know? I’m not nearly as technically savvy as a bunch of 
>> you folks.
>> Thanks in advance for any assistance.
>> Christine
>> 
>> P.S. Otherwise, after a two-and-half-month quest to find the Braille display 
>> which is ideal for me, Actilino fits the bill . . . so I would love to 
>> resolve this soon.
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Re: Aggravating USB issue

[Christine Grassman]

This was my initial response as well. However, it works quite nicely with 
Bluetooth; the Braille is excellent; it is comfortable to use, and most 
importantly for me, it has automatic tactile control which allows for reading 
without having to manually go backwards and forwards (although one can, if one 
wishes). I am an extremely fast Braille reader and I have tendinitis in my 
dominant hand, so any extra repetitive motion is a no-no. I am also quite 
confident that the manufacturer will get around to making Actilino as 
compatible with Mac as with Windows. For my purposes, it is worth the 
inconvenience. 
Now, for the update regarding the original problem:
Apparently, none of the USB cables I have appear to be the correct one for 
connecting the Actilino to the MacBook. I require a male-to-male USB 3.0, which 
is no longer standard, and Apple doesn’t carry it, nor any adaptors for it. 
I’ve ordered a couple. Meanwhile, the Genius Bar member, Mike, who was 
assisting me stated that I should ascertain that people copy and paste between 
the Actilino and a MacBook this way, as he said he was not certain it would 
work even with the correct cable. He suggested it might be more feasible to 
copy my files onto a drive from the MacBook, then connect that drive to the USB 
port and read on the Actilino. So I am off to the Handy Tech list to clarify 
what others are doing. Apparently, my computer and all ports are in tip-top 
shape, and the MacBook was reacting to a different USB cable connection than it 
liked, as it was happening merely with the insertion of the various cables, 
even without the Actilino attached. 
Christine


> On Nov 11, 2017, at 3:26 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> I looked at the actilino. I decided against it because it uses all windows 
> software. there isn’t even a way to update it with a mac. that made it 
> absolutely unfeasible for me.
> 
> On Nov 11, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello all:
> For the past two days, I have attempted to connect an Actilino Braille 
> display for the purpose of transferring BRF files to read on the Actilino. 
> However, each time I connect it to my 2014 Macbook Air, I receive a “USB 
> accessories disabled; remove the USB device which is drawing too much power”. 
> I’m paraphrasing. I’ve tried connecting with the MacBook and the Actilino 
> with and without AC power. I tried simply ignoring the message and checking 
> system information to see if the Actilino was being read as an available 
> device. Nope. Any ideas would be appreciated. Headed to the Apple store later 
> for something entirely different, but I’m not sure if they can help with 
> this: the question is: is this a glitch in the MacBook or the Actilino, or 
> neither? Can’t see how it’s user error, but . . . you never know. :) It was 
> also suggested that I hold down left shift, control, option, and the power 
> key for at least ten seconds with the MacBook plugged in and all USB devices 
> unplugged, then try again. No luck. I’ve tried rebooting. I’ve checked my 
> disk. I suspect it isn’t worth attempting resetting the PRAM, but what do I 
> know? I’m not nearly as technically savvy as a bunch of you folks.
> Thanks in advance for any assistance.
> Christine 
> 
> P.S. Otherwise, after a two-and-half-month quest to find the Braille display 
> which is ideal for me, Actilino fits the bill . . . so I would love to 
> resolve this soon.
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Aggravating USB issue

[Christine Grassman]

Hello all:
For the past two days, I have attempted to connect an Actilino Braille display 
for the purpose of transferring BRF files to read on the Actilino. However, 
each time I connect it to my 2014 Macbook Air, I receive a “USB accessories 
disabled; remove the USB device which is drawing too much power”. I’m 
paraphrasing. I’ve tried connecting with the MacBook and the Actilino with and 
without AC power. I tried simply ignoring the message and checking system 
information to see if the Actilino was being read as an available device. Nope. 
Any ideas would be appreciated. Headed to the Apple store later for something 
entirely different, but I’m not sure if they can help with this: the question 
is: is this a glitch in the MacBook or the Actilino, or neither? Can’t see how 
it’s user error, but . . . you never know. :) It was also suggested that I hold 
down left shift, control, option, and the power key for at least ten seconds 
with the MacBook plugged in and all USB devices unplugged, then try again. No 
luck. I’ve tried rebooting. I’ve checked my disk. I suspect it isn’t worth 
attempting resetting the PRAM, but what do I know? I’m not nearly as 
technically savvy as a bunch of you folks.
Thanks in advance for any assistance.
Christine   

P.S. Otherwise, after a two-and-half-month quest to find the Braille display 
which is ideal for me, Actilino fits the bill . . . so I would love to resolve 
this soon.

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Recommendation for reliable good quality USB 3.0 Data Transfer Cable for transferring between MacBook and Braille Display

[Christine Grassman]

Hello all. I’ve been burned by purchasing what were supposed to be high-quality 
adaptors and cables in the past, but don’t want to break the bank. Has anyone 
had consistent good luck with a particular manufacturer? i am looking for a 
short cable; all I seem able to find are at least three feet. I don’t want 
longer than a foot if I can help it, 18 in. at most (no more than, say, 0.5 M 
for many of our list members).
TIA.
Christine

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Re: What on earth did I do??? Mail is driving me crazy

[Christine Grassman]

Well, I guess I have no choice but to go with the flow. It is certainly easier 
than composing elsewhere and then cupying and pasting.
Thanks.
Christine


> On Nov 9, 2017, at 10:58 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> No, it's not natural for me either.  I often still revert back to VO 
> navigation within the composing area and mess things up.  This arrow 
> navigation is the best I can do for now.  I'm not sure if this is going to be 
> modified, or if this is the new way.  I've heard that there are some fixes 
> coming to Mail navigation, but I'm not exactly sure what aspects of the 
> experience they pertain to.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 9, 2017, at 08:54, Christine Grassman  wrote:
> 
> Okay, I am going to use that method right now for moving about in this 
> message and attempting to change a word. 
> That does seem to work. I will certainly have to work at this; it is not 
> natural for me. :)
> Christine
> 
> P.S. Does anyone know what this mysterious message “empty group” refers to in 
> an empty email?
> 
>> On Nov 9, 2017, at 10:45 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I don't use QuickNav much, if at all, and still find similar frustrations as 
>> Christine, albeit, not to the same degree.  I've found that VO jumps to the 
>> beginning sometimes when I stop to think between typing.  the best thing 
>> I've found is to just not use VO navigation when composing eMails, that is, 
>> just arrow navigation.  Option-right/left navigates word by word, up/down 
>> goes line by line and right/left goes character by character.  Works for now.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Nov 9, 2017, at 08:30, Christine Grassman  wrote:
>> 
>> I absolutely cannot edit in email, though I can edit fine in Text Edit or 
>> Pages. The cursor is never where it is supposed to be. I try to backspace or 
>> fix a typo, and I am never where I wish to be. Even if I interact and 
>> VoiceOver reads word by word, I am never on, or even before or after, the 
>> word being spoken. This is phenomenally frustrating, as I am constantly 
>> deleting the entire contents, writing emails elsewhere, thencutting and 
>> pasting. One think of note that might be relevant is that when I erase the 
>> entire contents, and am in the edit field, VoiceOver says “Empty Group” 
>> which I have never heard before in this context.
>> Christine
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Re: What on earth did I do??? Mail is driving me crazy

[Christine Grassman]

Okay, I am going to use that method right now for moving about in this message 
and attempting to change a word. 
That does seem to work. I will certainly have to work at this; it is not 
natural for me. :)
Christine

P.S. Does anyone know what this mysterious message “empty group” refers to in 
an empty email?

> On Nov 9, 2017, at 10:45 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I don't use QuickNav much, if at all, and still find similar frustrations as 
> Christine, albeit, not to the same degree.  I've found that VO jumps to the 
> beginning sometimes when I stop to think between typing.  the best thing I've 
> found is to just not use VO navigation when composing eMails, that is, just 
> arrow navigation.  Option-right/left navigates word by word, up/down goes 
> line by line and right/left goes character by character.  Works for now.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 9, 2017, at 08:30, Christine Grassman  wrote:
> 
> I absolutely cannot edit in email, though I can edit fine in Text Edit or 
> Pages. The cursor is never where it is supposed to be. I try to backspace or 
> fix a typo, and I am never where I wish to be. Even if I interact and 
> VoiceOver reads word by word, I am never on, or even before or after, the 
> word being spoken. This is phenomenally frustrating, as I am constantly 
> deleting the entire contents, writing emails elsewhere, thencutting and 
> pasting. One think of note that might be relevant is that when I erase the 
> entire contents, and am in the edit field, VoiceOver says “Empty Group” which 
> I have never heard before in this context.
> Christine
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Re: What on earth did I do??? Mail is driving me crazy

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Nothing is working for knowing where I truly am in the message. I absolutely 
cannot edit in email. 
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Re: What on earth did I do??? Mail is driving me crazy

[Christine Grassman]

I absolutely cannot edit in email, though I can edit fine in Text Edit or 
Pages. The cursor is never where it is supposed to be. I try to backspace or 
fix a typo, and I am never where I wish to be. Even if I interact and VoiceOver 
reads word by word, I am never on, or even before or after, the word being 
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in the edit field, VoiceOver says “Empty Group” which I have never heard before 
in this context.
Christine

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Re: What on earth did I do??? Mail is driving me crazy

[Christine Grassman]

> Hi, Roland. Thanks for your suggestion, but this did not work for me.  I 
> cannot edit within email; I cannot get the cursor to where I need to be. 
> Every time I try to read an email, it jumps from beginning to end, and back 
> again. There is no ability to read by word or character. I have tried playing 
> around with Quick Nav, but that doesn’t do anything. I have no idea which 
> settings to check.

> On Nov 8, 2017, at 2:05 PM, 'Roland Zitzke' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hello,
> 
> 
> Am Mittwoch, 8. November 2017 19:42:46 UTC+1 schrieb Christine Grassman:
> behaving accurately at all. I cannot navigate a message. I cannot copy. I 
> cannot right, delete, insert, backspace, or anything properly. Sometimes, 
> there is no voiceover feedback at all while writing. Clicking on links 
> doesn’t always
> I have seen this once after upgrading to 10.13.
> Focus kept jumping and it appeared as if I could not interact with the table 
> of mails at all.
> Turning VO off and back on again solved this for me.
> Generally speaking VO doesn't work as well in 10.13 as in 10.12 for me but I 
> am using German localization, not English, and this may well make a 
> difference.
> /Roland
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What on earth did I do??? Mail is driving me crazy

[Christine Grassman]

I upgraded to High Sierra over the weekend, and have not had any issues 
whatsoever… Except with Mail. I have no idea if it has anything to do with High 
Sierra; I have not located any complaints like mine anywhere. Mail is not 
behaving accurately at all. I cannot navigate a message. I cannot copy. I 
cannot right, delete, insert, backspace, or anything properly. Sometimes, there 
is no voiceover feedback at all while writing. Clicking on links doesn’t always 
work  unless I do it multiple times. When I try to read an email with  numerous 
  summaries of articles with links, mail goes all over the place, Sometimes 
reading things repetitively, and reading things out of order.. I’m at my wits 
end. Hope somebody can help!


Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Confused about reading brf files on Braille display connected to iPhone or MacBook Air

[Christine Grassman]

Excellent. Thanks much.
> On Nov 5, 2017, at 9:31 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   An easier method is to do a VO-shift-m (context nenu) on the .brf file, 
> select Open with, then select Other and select TextEdit from the resulting 
> list. Thereafter, any time you open a .brf file, it will open in TextEdit.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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> On 11/5/2017 6:22 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:
>> Awesome. Thanks so much. I’ll give that a whirl.
>> Christine
>>> On Nov 5, 2017, at 7:59 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> -Hello Christine.
>>> 
>>> You ask a very good question the answer to which is the following:
>>> 
>>> A .brf/.brl file is merely a text file.  Consequently, you can use any word 
>>> processing application to view it.
>>> 
>>> On Windows, I generally use Notepad or Wordpad.
>>> 
>>> On the Mac, I recommend that you use Text Edit.
>>> 
>>> So, instead of clicking on the .brf file from within Finder, first, open 
>>> Text Edit and from within it, find the .BRF file that you wish to read with 
>>> your Braille display.
>>> 
>>> Good luck.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christine Grassman
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2017 12:54 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Confused about reading brf files on Braille display connected to 
>>> iPhone or MacBook Air
>>> 
>>> OK, so there is no problem accessing Bookshare’s html files in contracted 
>>> Braille when I have my preferences set for that, but I thought (apparently 
>>> mistakenly) that I would be able to read brf files from Bookshare, BARD 
>>> Mobile, NBP, etc.,` with a Braille display. However, on my MacBook, I am 
>>> getting that there is “no application” which can open a BRF file. What am I 
>>> missing?
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> 
>>> Christine
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Re: Confused about reading brf files on Braille display connected to iPhone or MacBook Air

[Christine Grassman]

Awesome. Thanks so much. I’ll give that a whirl. 
Christine

> On Nov 5, 2017, at 7:59 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> -Hello Christine.
> 
> You ask a very good question the answer to which is the following:
> 
> A .brf/.brl file is merely a text file.  Consequently, you can use any word 
> processing application to view it.
> 
> On Windows, I generally use Notepad or Wordpad.  
> 
> On the Mac, I recommend that you use Text Edit.
> 
> So, instead of clicking on the .brf file from within Finder, first, open Text 
> Edit and from within it, find the .BRF file that you wish to read with your 
> Braille display.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christine Grassman
> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2017 12:54 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Confused about reading brf files on Braille display connected to 
> iPhone or MacBook Air
> 
> OK, so there is no problem accessing Bookshare’s html files in contracted 
> Braille when I have my preferences set for that, but I thought (apparently 
> mistakenly) that I would be able to read brf files from Bookshare, BARD 
> Mobile, NBP, etc.,` with a Braille display. However, on my MacBook, I am 
> getting that there is “no application” which can open a BRF file. What am I 
> missing?
> Thanks in advance. 
> 
> Christine
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Confused about reading brf files on Braille display connected to iPhone or MacBook Air

[Christine Grassman]

OK, so there is no problem accessing Bookshare’s html files in contracted 
Braille when I have my preferences set for that, but I thought (apparently 
mistakenly) that I would be able to read brf files from Bookshare, BARD Mobile, 
NBP, etc.,` with a Braille display. However, on my MacBook, I am getting that 
there is “no application” which can open a BRF file. What am I missing?
Thanks in advance. 

Christine

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Re: Irritating "user authentication" window that is hidden but talks and interrupt continuous reading

[Christine Grassman]

Yes, I contacted Apple about this ages and ages ago.
Christine

> On Nov 1, 2017, at 11:26 AM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi tim,
> I logged this a year ago with an apple tech & he assured me that it was on 
> apples radar and was going to be addressed in a future Sierra os release!
> needless to say my mac book air is still doing the same interrupt! LOL
> Talk soon
> Chuck
> "God does not play dice with the universe"
> "Albert Einstein’
> 
> 
> On Nov 1, 2017, at 11:16 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> That's interesting.  People have been experiencing this issue since, at 
>> least, Sierra.  I'm sure that I also heard that someone submitted a report 
>> quite a while back.  Wasn't me, but I seem to recall that someone else did.  
>> I guess I could have just been assuming.  Either way, not a particularly 
>> useful response since the majority of Apple Care reps know little about VO 
>> sorts of issues.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 08:06, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I got a response from Apple accessibility on this issue as well as my 
>> PDF issue. Regarding this one, they say no one has ever reported it to them, 
>> and I should get a hold of AppleCare. Nice, except that my machine is long 
>> out of warranty and I’m not made of money. At the very least, I certainly 
>> urge everybody experiencing this to send notes to Apple accessibility, so 
>> they know that there is an issue and not just me and my Mac Mini.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 6:53 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Simon,
>>> 
>>> Both platform types as far as I can tell.  I have an SSD on my MBP and it 
>>> does this and I'm sure I've had it happen on spinners as well.  Really an't 
>>> see why that would be the cause though.  It has to do with the screen 
>>> lock/sleep feature as far as I can tell.  As this activity is engaged, its 
>>> focus is gained, so VO announces the new focused app/window.  That's 
>>> normally a good thing, but in this case, it's a problem.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 00:16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, I thought that was the case.
>>> 
>>> But is this only happening to the spinning drives or on both platform types?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 1 November 2017 6:27 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Irritating "user authentication" window that is hidden but 
>>> talks and interrupt continuous reading
>>> 
>>> Just to be clear, installing High Sierra on a spinning drive will default 
>>> to macOS Extended Journaled.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 10/31/2017 10:23 PM, E.T. wrote:
 Correct.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
> On 10/31/2017 10:23 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> Hi ET,
> 
> Just had that same thought
> But do non ssd drives use APFS  by default?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: Wednesday, 1 November 2017 6:34 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Irritating "user authentication" window that is hidden 
> but talks and interrupt continuous reading
> 
>  Interesting. I guess that knocks the thing sideways. For a while 
> I wondered if the issue was on non SSD drives which are formatted to 
> APDS.
> Apparently not.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 10/31/2017 10:27 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi ET,
>> 
>> For fun, I just did a clean install on a brand new external SSD.  
>> The problem persists.  I will speak with a few of my contacts and 
>> see if I can get anywhere.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 31, 2017, at 09:03, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> For me it was in fact fixed. As I stated, a clean install and no 
>> migration may have been the solution. High Sierra has its own issues 
>> but this is not one of them.
>> 
>> Fr

Re: Irritating "user authentication" window that is hidden but talks and interrupt continuous reading

[Christine Grassman]

This happens to me all the time as well, and it doesn’t matter what I’m doing: 
streaming something, reading an iBook or bookshare book, web page, email, file 
I’ve written. It really is truly aggravating. 
> On Oct 30, 2017, at 11:22 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Mary,
>   Help us. How about a web page (in English) where this happens. Does it only 
> happen in web pages and emails?
> 
>   Did you do a clean install or did you upgrade over Sierra?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 10/30/2017 8:09 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> Well, if anybody cares, I set my Mac to go to sleep after three hours. It 
>> had been set to  never. And I said the screen saver to kick in after 1 hour. 
>> I shut down the machine and restarted it. And still, if I start reading a 
>> long email or an article, within about two minutes or so, I get that damn 
>> announcement. This is really unusable. I've gone from busy busy on Sierra to 
>> this. I'm just about done with a Mac. If I can't get basic tasks done 
>> efficiently, windows here I come. It's really a shame. Because Apple bills 
>> nice machines. And the phones are great, and I love how the Mac on the phone 
>> sink etc. But come on. How hard should it be to allow people to just simply 
>> read things?
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Oct 30, 2017, at 3:14 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> You'd think so, but, it seems that the Security Server is still called up 
>>> and the authentication window rears its ugly head.  Try a long time, but 
>>> not the "Never" option and see if that helps at all.  I've been trying to 
>>> see if I can localize the Security Server and create an activity, but 
>>> haven't made a lot of progress yet.  Lots of "nice try Tim", but nothing 
>>> tangible yet.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Oct 30, 2017, at 13:07, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim, but if I have it set not to go to sleep, shouldn't that solve the 
>>> problem? Maybe there are two settings? Maybe I'm missing one.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 30, 2017, at 11:47 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 What's happening here is that the authentication layer, which is invisible 
 to the sighted user, is activating.  When your computer screen is set to 
 sleep after a certain amount of time, or if it is set to lock after a 
 certain amount of time, authentication will take over and require a 
 password to allow someone access to the computer.  If you disable this 
 level of security, it seems that the authentication layer initially still 
 activates, but it does not lock down your computer.  Because the 
 authentication layer was activated, VO announces that this window gained 
 focus, and, of course, this announcement interrupts whatever you're 
 listening to.  extending the time of the screen sleep or scree saver will 
 reduce the incidence of this announcement.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Oct 30, 2017, at 12:07, Robert Cole  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Try changing the time that the screen goes to sleep.
 
 
> On Oct 30, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> With my Mac on High Sierra, I am having VoiceOver interrupt continuous 
> reading on webpages every so often with a text that says user 
> authentication window. Now if I envoke window chooser, this window is not 
> evident. So I guess it's hidden or something. I'm wondering if there's 
> anyway to find it and get rid of it.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Incredibly continuing frustration with iCloud email aliases

[Christine Grassman]

Good day, Mark:
Thanks so much for understanding my issue and providing guidance. Both my 
husband and I were able to add aliases, and they are showing up in the pop-up 
choices for where we can choose to send our emails. However, we are not 
receiving emails. Our Sent folders tell us mail is going out, but they are 
either not received, or, in my husband’s case, they are coming ostensibly from 
his gmail account or not showing up at all. We are not receiving b bounced 
mail, but he did receive one message saying “This is not one of your From 
addresses”.
I chose “add account” and “make this account available” in mail and filled out 
the fields. However, we cannot send or receive email from these addresses; they 
don’t appear, for all intents and purposes, to exist.
My husband called Apple. They made him first remove his Sim card, dust it off, 
then reinsert it. They also had him sign out of the account and then sign back 
in. Nothing is working. At this point, he believes he needs to make a Genus Bar 
appointment; yet, we cannot help thinking there is something simple and 
ridiculously obvious that we are missing. If you have any ideas, they would be 
appreciated. Thanks so much. 
Christine

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Re: Circumventing reading PDFs on the Mac?

[Christine Grassman]

Quite often, if one goes into the file menu, there is a “save as other” option. 
This allows you to save the pdf as a Word file, rtf file, plain text, etc.
If the particular file does not  have this option, you can send the file as an 
attachment to
conv...@robobraille.org 
Put in the subject line the type of file you are converting from and what you 
would like it converted to. For example:
pdf to rtf
Good luck.
Christine


> On Oct 4, 2017, at 1:25 PM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> There is a way of converting a .pdf file to a text file via an Apple Script. 
> When you have a .pdf file you simply VO+Shift+M and select convert to text 
> and the text file appears where you selected it to be placed when setting up 
> the script. I can’t find the details immediately and I have to go. But it’s a 
> very simple procedure. I will look tomorrow if no-one can find it for you. 
> Unless you are insistent upon having a web based solution. Let me know.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
> 
> 
> 
> Why not?
> 
> Michael Hingson 2011
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 4 Oct 2017, at 17:28, Michael Busboom > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, Mary,
>> 
>> No, I haven’t upgraded to High Siera yet.
>> 
>> One reason I need PDFs in a different format is that I want to read them on 
>> braille displays that don’t interface all that well with the Mac.
>> 
>> There used to be web-based services that would convert your PDFs to RTF or 
>> TXT files and e-mail them back to you.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>>> On 4 Oct 2017, at 18:13, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mike,
>>> I can't answer your question about the services, although I will be 
>>> following this thread with interest. I'm curious if you have upgraded to 
>>> high Sierra and still find a PDF reading to be as bad as ever. Or have you 
>>> found improvement?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 4, 2017, at 8:54 AM, Michael Busboom >>> > wrote:
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 Although I can read many PDFs on the Mac, I find the process sometimes 
 „clunky.“
 
 I know that there are services out there that allow you to send them a PDF 
 file and they will email an RTF version back to you.  My problem is that I 
 haven’t used any of these services in years, and I have forgotten where to 
 find them.  Can someone point me to such a service?
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Mike
 
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Re: Cross Posted: Orbit Reader 20 and Apple Devices?

[Christine Grassman]

The only updated information I have received since my inquiry is that the Orbit 
REader was supposed to have been released in Australia, but was pulled for some 
unknown reason. This elevates my concern: the device may be just what some of 
us need, in a much more reasonable price range, but if support for it is 
nonexistent, and if there is an unwillingness to be transparent or respond to 
inquiries so ostensibly close to a product release, one has to wonder . . . 
Christine

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
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> If anyone can respond to this with information, I'd ask them to keep it on 
> the list and not respond privately. I'd love more details about this device, 
> Apple-specific or not, and I imagine I'm not alone. Here's hoping someone on 
> this list managed to capture an allusive Orbit and can give us all some 
> details. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 11:26, Christine Grassman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all:
>> If anyone scored an Orbit Reader 20 at one of the blindness consumer 
>> organization conventions and is using it with a MacBook or iPhone, could you 
>> please comment, perhaps off-list if no one else is interested, on what you 
>> think? I have been awaiting its release for months now; APH has no 
>> information, and Orbit Research does not respond to email or phone 
>> inquiries, which frankly does not bode well for customer support. Thanks in 
>> advance. 
>> Christine
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Cross Posted: Orbit Reader 20 and Apple Devices?

[Christine Grassman]

Hello all:
If anyone scored an Orbit Reader 20 at one of the blindness consumer 
organization conventions and is using it with a MacBook or iPhone, could you 
please comment, perhaps off-list if no one else is interested, on what you 
think? I have been awaiting its release for months now; APH has no information, 
and Orbit Research does not respond to email or phone inquiries, which frankly 
does not bode well for customer support. Thanks in advance. 
Christine

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TC Conference: Cannot Connect

[Christine Grassman]

Trying to connect to the iOS 11 webinar and cannot connect on either my iPhone 
or the Mac. On the Mac I keep getting a “connection list” — but I’ve never 
connected, and on the iPhone it just hangs, saying “Wait” for about a minute, 
then goes back to the original connect screen.
Christine

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Re: Cross-Posted: Duolingo Accessibility

[Christine Grassman]

Let me give two examples of what is not working:
1. If it asks you to translate a word or phrase, there is a “speak text aloud” 
button which works. However, if it simply says “Type what you hear,” — I hear 
nothing, and a button labeled “Play normal” does nothing. I have tried closing 
the app, rebooting the phone, and the strike-through gesture.
2. I can practice in the app, but cannot start a new lesson. I can only do this 
on the MacBook.
(Incidentally, on the MacBook, the “Type wht you hear” audio is now not 
working, and I never have figured out how to have it speak the audio over 
again. My next attempt is to try a different browser. I would love this app if 
it didn’t cause so much grief.)

> On Sep 16, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Dionipher Herrera  wrote:
> 
> my duolinguo is working alright. i have the iphone6s and i updated the 
> duolinguo app
>> Il giorno 15 set 2017, alle ore 11:13, Christine Grassman 
>> mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com>> ha scritto:
>> 
>> Dear ViPhone and Mac Visionaries Listers:
>> I have submitted a report about Duolingo’s accessibility shortcomings, made 
>> worse by its most recent update, to an attorney who specializes in 
>> encouraging companies to make inclusion of people with disabilities in the 
>> provision of goods and services a priority. As one of the most frequently 
>> downloaded educational apps the purpose of which is to teach language, there 
>> is no reason why this app should not be completely accessible, particularly 
>> with Apple’s developer tools.
>> As a person who greatly enjoys learning about and learning languages, I put 
>> up with the glitches and found workarounds to get myself to a 45-day 
>> learning streak. I reached out to the company, but received no reply other 
>> than a “thanks for the information” response. 
>> The most recent update makes it virtually impossible for someone using 
>> VoiceOver to use the app, particularly with respect to the audio: it simply 
>> is not working most of the time.
>> If anyone who has recently tried, or currently wishes, to use this app would 
>> like to submit their own complaint to the attorney, please write me off-list.
>> If there is interest in making more noise about this, perhaps through an 
>> applevis or similar campaign, that would also be great.
>> Have a great day and weekend. For those of you ordering new products today, 
>> I hope your purchasing experience goes through as quickly and smoothly as 
>> mine. :)
>> Christine
>> Email:
>> cfgrass...@icloud.com <mailto:cfgrass...@icloud.com>
>> Or
>> cgrassman1...@gmail.com <mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com>
>> 
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Cross-Posted: Duolingo Accessibility

[Christine Grassman]

Dear ViPhone and Mac Visionaries Listers:
I have submitted a report about Duolingo’s accessibility shortcomings, made 
worse by its most recent update, to an attorney who specializes in encouraging 
companies to make inclusion of people with disabilities in the provision of 
goods and services a priority. As one of the most frequently downloaded 
educational apps the purpose of which is to teach language, there is no reason 
why this app should not be completely accessible, particularly with Apple’s 
developer tools.
As a person who greatly enjoys learning about and learning languages, I put up 
with the glitches and found workarounds to get myself to a 45-day learning 
streak. I reached out to the company, but received no reply other than a 
“thanks for the information” response. 
The most recent update makes it virtually impossible for someone using 
VoiceOver to use the app, particularly with respect to the audio: it simply is 
not working most of the time.
If anyone who has recently tried, or currently wishes, to use this app would 
like to submit their own complaint to the attorney, please write me off-list.
If there is interest in making more noise about this, perhaps through an 
applevis or similar campaign, that would also be great.
Have a great day and weekend. For those of you ordering new products today, I 
hope your purchasing experience goes through as quickly and smoothly as mine. :)
Christine
Email:
cfgrass...@icloud.com 
Or
cgrassman1...@gmail.com 

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Re: free or paid vpn that works with Voiceover on Mac and iOS?

[Christine Grassman]

Could someone please direct me to a site, book, tutorial for a VPN novice who 
would like to use one? I’ve been told that TorGuard, Vyper, and Mullvid are 
some of the few that do not have historical issues with leakage, that is, do 
not show all or part of your IP address. Naturally, though, I must be sure it 
works with VoiceOver, and I do not want to “mess anything up” as someone who is 
not much of a techie. I also would like to learn the basics like: What happens 
with your most visited web sites apps, and services if you use a VPN, such as 
iTunes, Netflix, Hulu, Jet, etc.? Do you have to shut it off when you use sites 
that save a shopping bag or where you have a watch list, etc.? Sorry for the 
ignorance, but I need a place to start, as I imagine most of the VPN info out 
there does not take VoiceOver and accessibility in general into account. I have 
been unable to find anything, for example, on how accessible and complicated 
the Tor browser is to set up as far as accessibility. 
Thanks for any help.
Christine

> On Apr 3, 2017, at 4:23 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> How complicated is open VPN to setup?
> 
> And yeah could it be setup on a raspberry pi 3?
> 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
> Sent: Monday, 3 April 2017 4:56 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: free or paid vpn that works with Voiceover on Mac and iOS?
> 
> Hi!
> Does a server means that you can have a raspberry pi to act as a vpn server 
> to?
> This could be something to dig into.
> /A
>> 2 apr. 2017 kl. 18:23 skrev Scott Granados :
>> 
>> My suggestion is to use Open VPN on a server. While you have the ongoing 
>> server cost as little as $5 per month, you do have a lot more flexibility.  
>> You can attach your phone, tablets, or Mac with totally free clients 
>> (windows as well) that are totally accessible.  Y ou also have the advantage 
>> of not necessarily being in a VPN database so you’re not blocked from 
>> Netflix for example.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 1, 2017, at 11:30 PM, Cameron Strife  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everybody. I'm looking for a vpn that is reliable and works with 
>>> voiceover on OSX, iOS, and any screen reader on windows, although 
>>> that last point is no big deal either way. Free or a one time license 
>>> fee would be preferred.
>>> 
>>> I've found that express vpn works very well with voiceover but I 
>>> don't want to pay fourteen dollars a month forever to use it.
>>> 
>>> I bought a lifetime subscription to shymo vpn and while the specs are 
>>> good, it's not working on the older mac that I use for various 
>>> internet activities.
>>> 
>>> Anyways, I tried hide me vpn for mac that didn't even want to launch 
>>> for some reason, and, I recently tried cyberghost on mac and windows 
>>> and had no joy on either operating system...
>>> 
>>> I see that tiger vpn for mac, iOS, and windows is on sale for $29 for 
>>> the next two days. I don't see anything about accessibility on any 
>>> platform anywhere though and don't want to waste more money on a vpn 
>>> I won't be able to use.
>>> 
>>> This price only lasts for the next two days though so I need to make 
>>> up my mind pretty quickly.
>>> 
>>> Has anybody used Tiger vpn and if so, what are your thoughts? Also, 
>>> any other recommendations would be greatly appreciated!
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Cameron.
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Re: On the brink of insanity trying to update OS 10.12.2

[Christine Grassman]

I am elated to report that 10.12.2 is now installed, and iTunes, Pages, and 
Numbers appear to finally be properly updating. Thank you all for your 
suggestions; Simon, your reinstall in Recovery mode did the trick. :)
Christine

> On Dec 17, 2016, at 7:59 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kristine,
> 
> Have you tried the update / reinstall using the recovery console to get the 
> installer?
> 
> To do this shut the machine down and then hold command R during start up and 
> make sure you hold the keys down for approx.  30 seconds,
> 
> It doesn't have to be that long but I just like to be sure it goes to the 
> correct place.
> 
> Then give it a minute or so for the machine to start up and then switch on 
> voiceover and pick the install OS X option from the utilities menu and then 
> follow the prompts 
> Let us know how that works for you.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Sunday, 18 December 2016 12:32 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: On the brink of insanity trying to update OS 10.12.2
> 
> Tim,
> 
> I concur with your suggestion as I have seen this sort of thing happen during 
> beta cycles of the OS, from time-to-time.
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 3:26 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: On the brink of insanity trying to update OS 10.12.2
> 
> Scott,
> 
> Christine did say 10.12.2, so I'd assume that it's the MacOS that is causing 
> the frustration.  It sounds to me that the Installer log is confused.  There 
> are ways of editing the log, but it would probably be much easier simply to 
> find the stand-alone installer for 10.12.2 on Apple's site.  Download it, 
> then run that installer to update your system.  If you have problems, let us 
> know.
> 
> Later..
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada 
> 
> On Dec 17, 2016, at 16:16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> You do not update the IOS through the App Store.
> 
> You go to settings, general, software update and then click install.  
> YOu’ll.be prompted for you pin, enter your pin and then wait a while, the 
> file will download and you’ll click install.  All will complete at that point 
> on it’s own and it can take several minutes where the phone seems dead.  Just 
> leave it alone once it starts to install and be sure you’re plugged in.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> On Dec 17, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
> 
>   In a nutshell: My automatic update did not work, though I received a 
> notification and authorized the download. I tried rebooting I tried manual 
> downloading. I tried clearing my history and attempted downloading again. The 
> only updates shown when I go to the update tab in the App Store are Pages and 
> Numbers, which I downloaded weeks ago. Each time I hit “Update All” it soon 
> says “no updates available” — and yet, moments later, 2 updates are again 
> available. I am at a loss. :( Help! TIA.
> Christine
> 
> P.S. I have an early 2014 11-inch MacBook Air running Sierra with 4 gigs.
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Re: On the brink of insanity trying to update OS 10.12.2

[Christine Grassman]

The saga continues. Oddly, Sierra was not in my “purchases,” so I searched for 
it and clicked Install, followed by Continue. Then I clicked Agree twice. Then 
a grid appeared with the message “You can’t upgrade this version because a 
newer version is installed.” Yet, “About This Mac” insists I have 10.12.1. I am 
at a loss. 
Christine
 On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Christine,
> 
> Sounds like it's being less than cooperative for you.  How about we try to 
> download the entire Sierra installer from the AppStore then.  When in the 
> AppStore on your Mac, press cmd-4 to bring focus to your purchases.  Sign in 
> if needed.  There should be a table with your list of purchases.  Interact 
> with it and see if Sierra is in there.  If it is, then to the far right of 
> that row should be an Install or Download button, press it.  If for some 
> reason, Sierra is not in your list of purchases, press cmd-f and enter Sierra 
> in the resulting field, then press return.  MacOS Sierra should be your first 
> result in the Search Results.  Locate the Install button within the info for 
> MacOS Sierra and press it.  If it says that you already have Sierra, press 
> the "So What" button, oops, I mean the Continue button.  If the download 
> progress is not available in this screen, press cmd-4 again to bring up the 
> Purchases scree and interact with the Other Purchases table, you should find 
> the download progress in there.
> 
> See if you have any more success this way.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
>  
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 17, 2016, at 16:39, Christine Grassman  <mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Tim, I did attempt to download the regular update directly from Apple, but it 
> will not download completely. It has stopped at 34.9 MB, 36.6 mb, and 40.5 MB.
> I have downloaded other items with no problem.
> Christine
>  
>  
>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Tim Kilburn > <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> Christine did say 10.12.2, so I'd assume that it's the MacOS that is causing 
>> the frustration.  It sounds to me that the Installer log is confused.  There 
>> are ways of editing the log, but it would probably be much easier simply to 
>> find the stand-alone installer for 10.12.2 on Apple's site.  Download it, 
>> then run that installer to update your system.  If you have problems, let us 
>> know.
>> 
>> Later..
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 16:16, Scott Granados > <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> You do not update the IOS through the App Store.
>> 
>> You go to settings, general, software update and then click install.  
>> YOu’ll.be <http://ll.be/> prompted for you pin, enter your pin and then wait 
>> a while, the file will download and you’ll click install.  All will complete 
>> at that point on it’s own and it can take several minutes where the phone 
>> seems dead.  Just leave it alone once it starts to install and be sure 
>> you’re plugged in.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Christine Grassman >> <mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> In a nutshell: My automatic update did not work, though I received a 
>>> notification and authorized the download. I tried rebooting I tried manual 
>>> downloading. I tried clearing my history and attempted downloading again. 
>>> The only updates shown when I go to the update tab in the App Store are 
>>> Pages and Numbers, which I downloaded weeks ago. Each time I hit “Update 
>>> All” it soon says “no updates available” — and yet, moments later, 2 
>>> updates are again available. I am at a loss. :( 
>>> Help! TIA.
>>> Christine
>>> 
>>> P.S. I have an early 2014 11-inch MacBook Air running Sierra with 4 gigs.
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Re: On the brink of insanity trying to update OS 10.12.2

[Christine Grassman]

Tim, I did attempt to download the regular update directly from Apple, but it 
will not download completely. It has stopped at 34.9 MB, 36.6 mb, and 40.5 MB.
I have downloaded other items with no problem.
Christine
 
 
> On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> Christine did say 10.12.2, so I'd assume that it's the MacOS that is causing 
> the frustration.  It sounds to me that the Installer log is confused.  There 
> are ways of editing the log, but it would probably be much easier simply to 
> find the stand-alone installer for 10.12.2 on Apple's site.  Download it, 
> then run that installer to update your system.  If you have problems, let us 
> know.
> 
> Later..
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 17, 2016, at 16:16, Scott Granados  <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> You do not update the IOS through the App Store.
> 
> You go to settings, general, software update and then click install.  
> YOu’ll.be <http://ll.be/> prompted for you pin, enter your pin and then wait 
> a while, the file will download and you’ll click install.  All will complete 
> at that point on it’s own and it can take several minutes where the phone 
> seems dead.  Just leave it alone once it starts to install and be sure you’re 
> plugged in.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Christine Grassman > <mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>  In a nutshell: My automatic update did not work, though I received a 
>> notification and authorized the download. I tried rebooting I tried manual 
>> downloading. I tried clearing my history and attempted downloading again. 
>> The only updates shown when I go to the update tab in the App Store are 
>> Pages and Numbers, which I downloaded weeks ago. Each time I hit “Update 
>> All” it soon says “no updates available” — and yet, moments later, 2 updates 
>> are again available. I am at a loss. :( 
>> Help! TIA.
>> Christine
>> 
>> P.S. I have an early 2014 11-inch MacBook Air running Sierra with 4 gigs.
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On the brink of insanity trying to update OS 10.12.2

[Christine Grassman]

In a nutshell: My automatic update did not work, though I received a 
notification and authorized the download. I tried rebooting I tried manual 
downloading. I tried clearing my history and attempted downloading again. The 
only updates shown when I go to the update tab in the App Store are Pages and 
Numbers, which I downloaded weeks ago. Each time I hit “Update All” it soon 
says “no updates available” — and yet, moments later, 2 updates are again 
available. I am at a loss. :( 
Help! TIA.
Christine

P.S. I have an early 2014 11-inch MacBook Air running Sierra with 4 gigs.

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Re: Iphone stuttering, frequency, triggers, recurrence

[Christine Grassman]

Me or Alex? (grin). Yes to both. I promise if they ever add an NZ voice, I’ll 
add it to my rotor. 
Christine

> On Dec 14, 2016, at 2:43 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> American?
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christine Grassman
> Sent: Wednesday, 14 December 2016 2:50 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Iphone stuttering, frequency, triggers, recurrence
> 
> Now, now . . . :) How does one explain Alex then? *Wink*.
>> On Dec 12, 2016, at 7:01 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Well there you go,
>> It's got an austrailian voice, it therrfore has trouble speaking English 
>> without sounding like a circular saw cutting through corogated iron roofing!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christine Grassman
>> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2016 7:09 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Iphone stuttering, frequency, triggers, recurrence
>> 
>> Speaking only for myself, of course, I have an iPhone 6, using the latest 
>> iOS, with the Australian male voice by default, but this has happened with 
>> Alex as well. Not compressed, and with or without apps in the background.
>> Christine
>> 
>>> On Dec 12, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, what voice are you using and are you using the compact or full 
>>> uncompressed voice?  I have not experienced this but I’m running the 7+ 
>>> with the latest processor so it may be an issue of horse power.  Do you 
>>> have a lot of apps running in the background?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 12, 2016, at 12:17 PM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Vo stuttering seems to happen when using the phone following accessing 
>>>> apps.
>>>> Disabling vo and re-engaging sets vo temporarily right.
>>>> The vo stuttering sounds the way a Windows speech synth does when two 
>>>> iterations of synths  run simultaneously.
>>>> Anyone experiencing this?
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Iphone stuttering, frequency, triggers, recurrence

[Christine Grassman]

Now, now . . . :) How does one explain Alex then? *Wink*.
> On Dec 12, 2016, at 7:01 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Well there you go,
> It's got an austrailian voice, it therrfore has trouble speaking English 
> without sounding like a circular saw cutting through corogated iron roofing!
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christine Grassman
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2016 7:09 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Iphone stuttering, frequency, triggers, recurrence
> 
> Speaking only for myself, of course, I have an iPhone 6, using the latest 
> iOS, with the Australian male voice by default, but this has happened with 
> Alex as well. Not compressed, and with or without apps in the background.
> Christine
> 
>> On Dec 12, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, what voice are you using and are you using the compact or full 
>> uncompressed voice?  I have not experienced this but I’m running the 7+ with 
>> the latest processor so it may be an issue of horse power.  Do you have a 
>> lot of apps running in the background?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>> 
>>> On Dec 12, 2016, at 12:17 PM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Vo stuttering seems to happen when using the phone following accessing apps.
>>> Disabling vo and re-engaging sets vo temporarily right.
>>> The vo stuttering sounds the way a Windows speech synth does when two 
>>> iterations of synths  run simultaneously.
>>> Anyone experiencing this?
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Iphone stuttering, frequency, triggers, recurrence

[Christine Grassman]

Speaking only for myself, of course, I have an iPhone 6, using the latest iOS, 
with the Australian male voice by default, but this has happened with Alex as 
well. Not compressed, and with or without apps in the background.
Christine

> On Dec 12, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi, what voice are you using and are you using the compact or full 
> uncompressed voice?  I have not experienced this but I’m running the 7+ with 
> the latest processor so it may be an issue of horse power.  Do you have a lot 
> of apps running in the background?
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
>> On Dec 12, 2016, at 12:17 PM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Vo stuttering seems to happen when using the phone following accessing apps.
>> Disabling vo and re-engaging sets vo temporarily right.
>> The vo stuttering sounds the way a Windows speech synth does when two 
>> iterations of synths  run simultaneously.
>> Anyone experiencing this?
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Iphone stuttering, frequency, triggers, recurrence

[Christine Grassman]

Yes, this has been happening several times a week for me.
Christine

> On Dec 12, 2016, at 12:17 PM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
> 
> 
> Vo stuttering seems to happen when using the phone following accessing apps.
> Disabling vo and re-engaging sets vo temporarily right.
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Re: Installing flash on the mac

[Christine Grassman]

I recently encountered this annoyance.. I shut off VoiceOver, and I  pressed 
spacebar in the place I believed the checkbox to be when VO was off. I turned 
VO back on, and it was checked. I tried this out of sheer frustration. Hope it 
works for you. 
Christine

> On Dec 5, 2016, at 7:54 AM, aliFaisal  wrote:
> 
> I am running the latest build of sierra, and yes I tried routing VO to the 
> mouse. When I do that, it brings up the apple menu for some reason.
>   
>> On Dec 5, 2016, at 7:51 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm, let's see here. It's been a while since I initially installed Flash. I 
>> know the updater is accessible, I mean, yeah, you gotta tab. VOing around 
>> the screen won't cut it for some weird reason, but you're trying to install 
>> from scratch... Hmm. Let me think...
>> 
>> How about this: Have you tried maybe tabbing to that checkbox, routing the 
>> mouse with VO+Command+F5, then doing a VO+Shift+Space to click?
>> 
>> What version are you running of OSX? I'd not think that would matter, 
>> honestly, but, just in case it does...
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "aliFaisal" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 7:37 AM
>> Subject: Installing flash on the mac
>> 
>> 
>> I am trying to install flash on my mac. However in the installation window, 
>> I am unable to check the box for accepting the terms of service thereby not 
>> being able to complete the installation. How does one go about selecting the 
>> check box?
>> Note, I can only get to it by tabbing. When I tried swiping on the track 
>> pad, nothing would happen. Likewise for VO left and right arrow. when I 
>> tried to press space or return on the checkbox, nothing would happen. for 
>> some reason, voiceover focus isn’t switching to it from what I can tell.
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Re: How to prevent my mac from displaying log in panel after few minutes of inactivity

[Christine Grassman]

I am having this issue since upgrading to Sierra as well. It gets truly 
annoying while I am reading using “Say All” and the panel pops up every few 
minutes. 
Christine

> On Dec 3, 2016, at 3:55 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim.
> 
> Both  computers say login panel and both computers don't lock and they are 
> both not set to sleep accept for the display.  This login panel still says it 
> and I hate it.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 3 Dec 2016, at 20:20, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'd expect that if you have it set to require the password after eight 
>> hours, that it wouldn't do this, but take a look under the Energy Saver 
>> System Preference.  There will be two tabs in there, one for when the 
>> computer is on battery power and one for when it's connected to AC power.  
>> the display is likely set to go to sleep after about 5 minutes.  This is a 
>> good thing for saving battery life.  In either case though, the eight hours 
>> should normally override the need for the password.  I wouldn't recommend 
>> leaving it awake and unprotected that length of time anyway, but that is 
>> really your decision.  I usually recommend that the display goes to sleep 
>> after about five minutes when on battery and the computer goes to sleep 
>> either 5 or 10 minutes of inactivity.  when on power adaptor, that could be 
>> changed.  In my case, I let the display go to sleep at the regular interval, 
>> but tell the computer to never sleep when on AC power.  Again, it's your 
>> choice, but for security purposes, it's much better to have it require that 
>> password after sleep or inactivity.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Dec 3, 2016, at 13:01, hannah day  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone.
>> 
>> I am trying to work out why my mac is displaying the login panel about five 
>> minutes after inactivity and can't figure it out. I have set the screen 
>> saver to never start and have told the system to require a password 8 hours 
>> after sleep or screensaver begins. This is on an early 2015 13 inch Macbook 
>> Pro running Sierra.
>> 
>> Any responses will be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much.
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Re: Emergency Text Messaging

[Christine Grassman]

I am not sure if it is accessible, but there is an app called React Mobile, I 
believe, which allows you to set up contacts, have them follow you in real time 
if you want, and has an emergency button you can hit to call local emergency 
and send a text out to pre-selected contacts. If this is incorrect, let me know 
and I will dig up the information I have on it somewhere.
Christine

> On Nov 14, 2016, at 10:08 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
>   Yes SOS will be very wonderful but what I am wanting is ability to send 
> only texts to a specified group of contacts to say I am alright. Create the 
> text ahead of time then pretty much a one button process, something like that.
> 
>   The Red Cross Earthquake app does this but this function is buried in the 
> app and in a crisis, it will not be the easiest.
> 
>   Related to this, how do carriers manage the cell towers when they go on 
> emergency power? Can it be assumed that texting traffic will move?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Without H2O there is no life!
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 11/14/2016 3:01 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Yes you can, in the Beta 10.2 the SOS feature is enabled now just like the 
>> watch.  Instead of pressing the button on the watch you press the screen 
>> lock button 5 times now and it sends a message with your location to your 
>> contacts defined under the SOS feature as well as alerts the authorities.  
>> So the button no longer re springs the phone I don’t believe now it’s 
>> dedicated to SOS functions.  Download and install the beta 2 of 10.2 to 
>> enable this feature.  You define the settings under settings, general, SOS.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>>> On Nov 13, 2016, at 7:04 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  In light of the 7.8 quake in New Zealand, I am again revisiting my desire 
>>> to develop some methods to touch bases with friends and family should a 
>>> disaster strike my area.
>>> 
>>>  One idea would be a way of sending a text message already composed to a 
>>> specific list of contacts. Is this feasible in iOS 10?
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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Re: Here is the Text of the User Manual for the Nearby Explorer, for iOS, GPS Navigation App

[Christine Grassman]

I have been happy with the app since downloading it over a week ago. The only 
thing driving me crazy is my inability to silence its wonky sound effects. 
Since I do not recall hearing this particular noise in the podcast, I am 
mystified as to how to shut it off. If anyone has any information, please let 
me know. Thanks much in advance. 
Christine
> On Aug 28, 2016, at 4:11 PM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> 
> Not to defend Mike, as he can do that himself, but he didn’t realize that the 
> app does indeed identify POIs when possible with the side of street 
> information included. He made a correction on the Nearby Explorer lists to 
> his assumption. I’m sure he’ll go back in and correct the podcast or have an 
> adendum for it. 
> 
> 
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 3:17 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Janine is correct. I didn't listen to the podcast, but if Mike said that in 
>> general it didn't identify the side of the street for the destination, he 
>> was wrong.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 11:40 AM, gs  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The provision of information is not condescending. The podcast I heard 
>>> describing the product demonstrated that it did not identify the side of 
>>> the street for the destination. Therefore, I concluded that it never 
>>> identifies it. In the podcast, it was stated that the Android version of 
>>> the product identifies the side of the street. If the iOS version also 
>>> identifies it when possible, I will likely purchase it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:32 PM, Jenine Stanley  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> At the risk of also being condescending, I’ll chime in here. 
>>> 
>>> Nearby Explorer does identify which side of the street the destination is 
>>> on if it can do so. There are some address schemes which do not make this 
>>> possible. Sometimes it’s also recorded incorrectly when the mappers put in 
>>> geocodes for things like points of interest. 
>>> 
>>> I’d wager that your other GPS solution gets it wrong at least a couple 
>>> times, but maybe not in the immediate areas where you use it. 
>>> 
>>> to answer your question/train of thought though, Nearby Explorer does 
>>> provide this information when possible. 
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:40 PM, gs  wrote:
 
 Thanks for the education, David. It's a little condescending but I'll 
 leave it at that.
 
 Just to be clear, I have another GPS solution which will identify the side 
 of the street of the destination. I do not want to spend the money for 
 this unless it will do the same. This has nothing to do with GPS accuracy, 
 orientation skills, or international travel. It should have been obvious 
 that what I intended to state was that I wanted to know the side of the 
 street of the destination. Not sure why anyone would need GPS to inform 
 them if they (the person traveling) are on the left or right side of the 
 street.
 
 Also, I might be deafblind or there might be several other reasons why one 
 would prefer this feature. Mainly, it exists in other GPS apps and I like 
 it. I do not use GPS to travel to familiar locations. If the map 
 identifies the side of the street for specific addresses, it should be 
 included in the information available to a blind user if possible.
 If I did not already own a solution where it is available, I might 
 purchase this with faith that it might be added in the future.
 On Aug 28, 2016, at 7:39 AM, David Chittenden  
 wrote:
 
 When the accuracy is very good, one ends up very close to the location. 
 When the accuracy is not as good, one ends up within the block. In that 
 case, good O&M skills will get the person to the location; such skills as 
 asking people in the area.
 
 I travel independently, and internationally, using GPS, with excellent 
 success. It is another tool in my travel toolbox. It is not the ultimate 
 tool, it is another tool.
 
 Oh, and when the GPS signal is very pool, it is necessary to fall back on 
 O&M skills without GPS.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 28 Aug 2016, at 22:40, Geoff Stephens  wrote:
> 
> I guess I am smart enough to be able to tell which side of the street I 
> am on. The concern is about the destination.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 10:58 PM, David Chittenden  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Given the inaccuracies which are inherrant in GPS thus far, I would not 
>> trust any app which claimed to be able to tell you which side of the 
>> street you are currently on. GPS is not that accurate.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2

Re: welcome to Jupiter and you know what's sad

[Christine Grassman]

Scott, thank you for a strong but thoughtful post. I agree completely, and I 
thank you profusely for speaking out. I think the list is no place for 
evangelism of any kind. I realize that for some faiths, it is an obligation, a 
duty. But a mailing list should not be a place for anything other than its 
intended purpose. 
Christine

> On Jul 5, 2016, at 6:56 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
>  
>  
> We know you’re a pretty smart and very valueable member of this list and your 
> input is appreciated.
>  
> But any chance you can can this posting, it’s really getting out of hand and 
> way off topic.
>  
> Think of what we’re all having to go through, add up the number of emails 
> that yourself and others posting into the communications have actually posted 
> and where is it getting people other than frustrated?
>  
> Think of the number of hours youself and others in this posting have spent 
> bitching and moaning about what is right or wrong acording to the gossiple of 
> yoruseves.
>  
> Just saying, enough enough guys and girls, can’t we get back on track.
>  
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  ] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 July 2016 5:12 PM
> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via  >
> Subject: welcome to Jupiter and you know what's sad
>  
> This is the last I will publicly comment on anything relating to the 
> religious angle of the headphone thread as preposterous as that sounds.
>  
> The sad thing is the zealots who inject their comments in apple threads or 
> suffering through a litany of bible verses and other nonsense unasked for in 
> a list like this, we’re a lot closer than we think.
> I’m going to start with our Current pope who is very open to 
> Science.  He’s recently stated that it’s possible that the big bang and 
> evolution are the tools used by God for creation.  The Catholic Church now 
> spends massive amounts of money researching astronomical events.  It’s my 
> understanding they have their own observatory, I know that there is a very 
> Senior position in the Vatican for a science advisor and yes, the Catholic 
> church has even not only spoken about extra terrestrial beings they have 
> funded parts of the research for that intelligence.  This very same pope has 
> mentioned that it’s very possible that other life exists in other places and 
> in his words we are not the only instance of God’s intelligent creations.  
> I’ll buy that!  Unlike the extremists who throw us in to wars or speak about 
> our own citizens with as much hate as the Taliban I am as a science minded 
> person totally open to the idea that an intelligent force could be at work.  
> I have no proof for it and I personally don’t think it’s the most likely 
> solution but I have no proof against.  This means, to truly support the 
> scientific method I must be open to proof (real proof Chuck not just 
> arbitrary markings on outdated calendars) for the existence as well as 
> against the existence.  I say I’m an atheist because we need an extreme 
> statement to cut through the noise but honestly, I don’t know.  I’m a very 
> strong I don’t know.
> IF we quote from our Christian friends book that we’re constantly 
> bashed over the head with there’s a little verse 1:16 I’d like to bring 
> attention to.
>  
> "This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like 
> chrysolite, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel 
> intersecting a wheel." (Ezekiel 1:16) 
>  
> As an inhabitant of the twenty first century that sounds more like either the 
> representation of a theoretical 0 point energy device or (E.T. I hope you’re 
> sitting down)(nah I know you know this one) a means of transportation.  
> Similar could be said for the Burning Bush.  This sighting represents 
> primitive man’s attempt to understand something outside the ability of his 
> current understanding.  I think he did a pretty good job especially if you 
> continue on with that whole section. Humans had just about as much ability to 
> describe advanced aircraft back then as they did a Microwave oven, it was all 
> magic.
> In other parts of the world, our Hindu friends for example 
> speak of wars in the past fought in the sky.  There are places in South East 
> Asia where there are deposits of silicates that appear to be the result of 
> nuclear detonations.  You can buy Trinitium glass today from the test site in 
> White Sands that has the exact same characteristics of what’s found in rock 
> samples from 100,000 years ago.  Another explanation for their visions are 
> comets pelting the earth.  These would look like and have the similar effects 
> to high yield explosives.  In 1908 such a fragment hit the earth in Siberia 
> and flattened thousan

Re: Netflix

[Christine Grassman]

Go here to browse all AD content:

http://www.netflix.com/browse/audio-description 


> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:16 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
> 
> Hi. I always use it on my Apple TV 4.  I wish they had a category of AD 
> content because when I use Safari to search for such content! I just get VO 
> speaking numbers. 
>> On 27 Jun 2016, at 10:40, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Works like a charm on my iPhone and apple tv, not sure about the computer 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon A. Olivares
>> Sent: Monday, 27 June 2016 10:20 AM
>> To: “Mac Visionaries“ 
>> Subject: Netflix
>> 
>> Hey everyone,
>> 
>> I am thinking of canceling cable, because we just don’t use it much.
>> 
>> We just got Hulu, and that is working awesome.
>> 
>> What I want to know is, does Netflix work well, either on the computer or on 
>> the iPhone?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Brandon
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