Re: Activating a text field with VoiceOver and Google Chrome problem

[FIOGKOS]

Hi Jonathan, thank you so much, unfortunately it’s a private account on the 
website that streams to such places as Twitter, Facebook, YouTube. In that case 
I can’t give out the information so that somebody can examine the webpage. All 
I know about other screen readers is that I’ve been told by the person who has 
the account that he is using the jaws virtual cursor. I definitely will try the 
item chooser, having said that I can only do it with Google Chrome this 
particular streaming website does not work with Safari.


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> On Mar 1, 2022, at 10:52 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> No, can't help here.
> Need either specific steps you know work with another screen reader, or the 
> URL of the site so I can examine how it works.
> Date pickers on web pages can be designed in several different ways and have 
> varying degrees of screen reader accessibility.
> That being said, some versions of MacOS have issues with web components that 
> are using a element with explicit or implicit role of dialog. In these cases, 
> at least when using Safari, the best thing to do is to use the item chooser. 
> I expect that if you use the item chooser on a calendar popup  typing just 2 
> after the chooser is active should give you 
> March 2, March 12, March 20, March 21, March 23, … March 29 as choices in the 
> reduced list.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 1, 2022, at 18:17, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everybody, hope you are well. I have run into an issue and I hope 
>> somebody can help. Using Catalina on a 27 inch iMac with VoiceOver I open up 
>> Google Chrome and I go to a particular website. I have to fill out some text 
>> fields, uptill here no issues, there are some pop-up buttons that I activate 
>> with the VO space bar and here no issues. However I run into a date field 
>> that no matter what I do I cannot edit. I’m trying to schedule an event and 
>> in this text field it will give me tomorrow’s date if I’m trying to schedule 
>> the event today. I’ve been told by sighted people that if you click on the 
>> field a Calendar pops up where you can choose  a future date. I tried 
>> routing the mouse pointer to VoiceOver using VO command  F5 and then I click 
>> VO shift space bar but nothing happens. I can’t seem to get this calendar to 
>> pop-up. When I’m on this text field VoiceOver does say edit I interact with 
>> the field but it still will not let me type out the date. Does anybody have 
>> any idea how I can activate this field and calendar so I can choose the date 
>> that I want? And just so I can make my problem and issue a little more clear 
>> those people who use both Mac and windows, to activate this calendar and 
>> field with jazz you have to use the virtual cursor.  I hope I haven’t 
>> confused you too much and I hope I have explained myself well . Any help is 
>> appreciated, any suggestions, any ideas. Thank you in advance for any help
>> Regards zoe
>> 
>> 
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Activating a text field with VoiceOver and Google Chrome problem

[FIOGKOS]

Hello everybody, hope you are well. I have run into an issue and I hope 
somebody can help. Using Catalina on a 27 inch iMac with VoiceOver I open up 
Google Chrome and I go to a particular website. I have to fill out some text 
fields, uptill here no issues, there are some pop-up buttons that I activate 
with the VO space bar and here no issues. However I run into a date field that 
no matter what I do I cannot edit. I’m trying to schedule an event and in this 
text field it will give me tomorrow’s date if I’m trying to schedule the event 
today. I’ve been told by sighted people that if you click on the field a 
Calendar pops up where you can choose  a future date. I tried routing the mouse 
pointer to VoiceOver using VO command  F5 and then I click VO shift space bar 
but nothing happens. I can’t seem to get this calendar to pop-up. When I’m on 
this text field VoiceOver does say edit I interact with the field but it still 
will not let me type out the date. Does anybody have any idea how I can 
activate this field and calendar so I can choose the date that I want? And just 
so I can make my problem and issue a little more clear those people who use 
both Mac and windows, to activate this calendar and field with jazz you have to 
use the virtual cursor.  I hope I haven’t confused you too much and I hope I 
have explained myself well . Any help is appreciated, any suggestions, any 
ideas. Thank you in advance for any help
Regards zoe



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Re: Sound from a windows laptop to iMac speakers

[FIOGKOS]

Thank you Joseph for the suggestions I will try it and if I have any questions 
I’ll come back and ask


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> On Jan 24, 2022, at 9:57 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
> 
> It could be the Bluetooth might be turned off. And if it came, there should 
> be a connect button. I'm not for sure of the process. As I've never done 
> something like this. Perhaps, you could ask on a Josh related list and 
> somebody might be able to help you. I like the other idea of the patch cables 
> as well. But if you're wanting a more wireless approach I think the Bluetooth 
> option would be better.
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 4:58 PM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes my laptop has Bluetooth if it can’t see my Mac do you know why? And if 
>> it can see my Mac what steps would I have to take to connect the two so that 
>> I can hear jaws through my iMac speakers? Any ideas?
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 5:38 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If your Windows laptop has Bluetooth, and it can see your Mac, that’s the 
>>> way I would connect the two together.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 4:24 PM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi everybody hope you’re well, I hope somebody can help even though 
>>>> something tells me this cannot be done. My question is this, is there a 
>>>> way to hook up my Windows laptop to my iMac so that I can hear the sound 
>>>> coming out of my Windows laptop through my iMac speakers?
>>>> Thanks for any help in advance.
>>>> Regards zoe
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> God the father chose her
>>>> God the sun dwelt in her
>>>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>>>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>>>> Let’s have fun and cook together on zoe‘s blind kitchen corner.
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> 
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Re: Sound from a windows laptop to iMac speakers

[FIOGKOS]

That sounds easy enough, however excuse my ignorance what is a patch cord?


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> On Jan 24, 2022, at 6:48 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> The easiest way would be to get a patch cord. Plug one end into the Windows 
> laptop and the other end into the Mac. Before doing that, Go to your VO 
> utility and sound and set the default to your speakers, otherwise, you are 
> going to lose sound. After you plug in the cable, go to sounds in System 
> Preferences. Set the output to your default Mac speakers and set the input to 
> the patch cord. It will probably say something like plugged in mic. 
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 16:24, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everybody hope you’re well, I hope somebody can help even though 
>> something tells me this cannot be done. My question is this, is there a way 
>> to hook up my Windows laptop to my iMac so that I can hear the sound coming 
>> out of my Windows laptop through my iMac speakers?
>> Thanks for any help in advance.
>> Regards zoe
>> 
>> 
>> God the father chose her
>> God the sun dwelt in her
>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>> Let’s have fun and cook together on zoe‘s blind kitchen corner.
>> 
>> 
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>> My YouTube channel
>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBF5zm89NEMlWEd4JTLuR4Q
>> 
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Re: Sound from a windows laptop to iMac speakers

[FIOGKOS]

Yes my laptop has Bluetooth if it can’t see my Mac do you know why? And if it 
can see my Mac what steps would I have to take to connect the two so that I can 
hear jaws through my iMac speakers? Any ideas?



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> On Jan 24, 2022, at 5:38 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> If your Windows laptop has Bluetooth, and it can see your Mac, that’s the 
> way I would connect the two together.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 4:24 PM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Hi everybody hope you’re well, I hope somebody can help even though 
>> something tells me this cannot be done. My question is this, is there a way 
>> to hook up my Windows laptop to my iMac so that I can hear the sound coming 
>> out of my Windows laptop through my iMac speakers?
>> Thanks for any help in advance.
>> Regards zoe
>> 
>> 
>> God the father chose her
>> God the sun dwelt in her
>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>> Let’s have fun and cook together on zoe‘s blind kitchen corner.
>> 
>> 
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>> My YouTube channel
>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBF5zm89NEMlWEd4JTLuR4Q
>> 
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Sound from a windows laptop to iMac speakers

[FIOGKOS]

Hi everybody hope you’re well, I hope somebody can help even though something 
tells me this cannot be done. My question is this, is there a way to hook up my 
Windows laptop to my iMac so that I can hear the sound coming out of my Windows 
laptop through my iMac speakers?
Thanks for any help in advance.
Regards zoe


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Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
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Help with an attachment

[FIOGKOS]

Hi everybody I hope you can help me. I received an email message with an XLS 
document. That is an Microsoft excel document I know that this document is in 
protected view. I know on Windows how to remove the protected view for editing. 
Is there a program on the Mac that I can use to open this document with? And 
how can I remove the protected view on the Mac?
Thank you for any help provided in advance.
Regards zoe


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Re: Help with punctuation

[FIOGKOS]

I have tried changing internation but it didn’t work. I forgot about the words 
full stop. If I remember correctly that is the British way of saying period 
isn’t it?


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> On Dec 16, 2021, at 5:42 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Suggest you try to change your pitch or intonation when you say punctuation 
> words. And I gave up on using the word period. I use the words “full stop”. 
> Works every time.
> 
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Help with punctuation

[FIOGKOS]

Hello everybody I hope you can help me. I have an iPhone 13 running 15.1
I love using the dictation feature on my iPhone. In the past when I would 
dictate a note, message, email, or anything for that matter I would speak the 
sentence I want and at the end I would say the word period to insert the 
punctuation mark. now whenever I say the word period it doesn’t insert the 
punctuation mark it inserts the actual word period I hope you can understand 
what I am trying to say when I dictate a message and I say the word comma  it 
inserts the actual punctuation mark or for example the words question mark  Or 
for example the words exclamation mark  All is working fine except for the 
period any ideas?
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Re: Messages suddenly disappearing in mail app.

[FIOGKOS]

Hi Jessica, I don’t know if I have an answer for you but yes this has been 
happening to me lately period I have hundreds and hundreds of emails in my 
inbox not to mention I also have folders with hundreds of emails in them 
sometimes I open up the Mail app and I can only see five emails and even if I 
use the scroll bar the vertical scroll scroll bar or anything I can’t see other 
emails woul what has worked for me but it’s not consistent is using the app 
switcher on my iPhone to close the mail app and then restarting it restarting 
the mail app sometimes gives me all the mail sometimes it only gives me a few 
the truth is that it has been a pain and I can’t figure out what’s going on 
period try my suggestion and see if this helps I don’t believe everything is 
lost but this is definitely a bug for me
Regards zoe


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> On Dec 15, 2021, at 9:57 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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> I just opened the mail app this morning only to find it suddenly completely 
> wiped.  I have no idea how this could’ve happened, sense I haven’t deleted 
> anything, and have no idea if they can be recovered or not.
>  I’ve even checked the recovered folder, that I didn’t know even existed, 
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Re: Moving folders help

[FIOGKOS]

Brad and Tim thank you to both you and Tim who helped me out. Everything now is 
in perfect order. I am having some trouble on my iPhone now with email but I’ll 
wait and see if it works itself out before I send a message to the list. Again 
thank you for everything
Regards Zoe

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> On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:19 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Hi Zoe,
> 
> I’m not Tim, but what you need to do, is put focus on the enclosing/parent 
> folder into which you would like to put the folder you are moving.  The 
> folders will be arranged in alphabetical order in the enclosing/parent folder 
> into which they are moved.
> I do not believe you can arrange subfolders in a folder in non-alphabetical 
> order.
> 
> I did not mention this method of moving folders in my original instructions, 
> because I did not know where you had created the folder you wanted to move, 
> or where you wanted to move the errantly created folder.
> 
> Also, in my experience, some people have difficulty using the method Tim 
> described when attempting to drag and drop items.
> I’m glad you were able to do this successfully.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Oct 1, 2021, at 12:47, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim, thank you very much for this. This way of dragging and dropping 
> works. I am able to move folders. There is only one problem, for example 
> let’s say I have four folders in my main email box. Receipts
> Recipes
> Love letters
> Poetry
> Let’s say I want to move poetry before receipts. I followed your instructions 
> and then navigate left until I hear receipts, and drop the item. It doesn’t 
> put the folder called poetry before receipt it put it inside receipt.
> What am I doing wrong?
> 
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>> On Oct 1, 2021, at 12:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> If these mailboxes have been placed within the incorrect account, then, no, 
>> the mailbox cannot be moved between accounts as Brad mentioned.  If the 
>> mailbox is still connected to specific account, but you wish it to be at a 
>> different level of that account, then you should be able to drag and drop 
>> using the old fashioned method.  The VO-comma/Vo-period method will result 
>> in that error message often as the items being dragged need to be visible at 
>> all times.  The older Drag & Drop method does not require this restriction.  
>> To attempt a Drag & Drop using the older method, do the following:
>> 
>> • navigate to the folder you wish to move.
>> • press VO-cmd-f5 to ensure that the VO cursor is routed to the mouse cursor.
>> • press VO-shift-cmd-space to invoke the mouse-down action.
>> • navigate to the place you’d like to drop it.
>> • press VO-cmd-f5 to ensure the VO cursor and mouse cursor are in the same 
>> place.
>> • press VO-shift-cmd-space to invoke the mouse-up action, which should drop 
>> your mailbox in that location.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
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>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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>> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2021, at 10:19 AM, FIO

Re: Moving folders help

[FIOGKOS]

Hi Tim, thank you very much for this. This way of dragging and dropping works. 
I am able to move folders. There is only one problem, for example let’s say I 
have four folders in my main email box. Receipts
Recipes
Love letters
Poetry
Let’s say I want to move poetry before receipts. I followed your instructions 
and then navigate left until I hear receipts, and drop the item. It doesn’t put 
the folder called poetry before receipt it put it inside receipt.
What am I doing wrong?


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> On Oct 1, 2021, at 12:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If these mailboxes have been placed within the incorrect account, then, no, 
> the mailbox cannot be moved between accounts as Brad mentioned.  If the 
> mailbox is still connected to specific account, but you wish it to be at a 
> different level of that account, then you should be able to drag and drop 
> using the old fashioned method.  The VO-comma/Vo-period method will result in 
> that error message often as the items being dragged need to be visible at all 
> times.  The older Drag & Drop method does not require this restriction.  To 
> attempt a Drag & Drop using the older method, do the following:
> 
> • navigate to the folder you wish to move.
> • press VO-cmd-f5 to ensure that the VO cursor is routed to the mouse cursor.
> • press VO-shift-cmd-space to invoke the mouse-down action.
> • navigate to the place you’d like to drop it.
> • press VO-cmd-f5 to ensure the VO cursor and mouse cursor are in the same 
> place.
> • press VO-shift-cmd-space to invoke the mouse-up action, which should drop 
> your mailbox in that location.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2021, at 10:19 AM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you Brad, I have to say that’s a little disappointing, but oh well 
>> what can you do? There are bigger problems in the world than this.
>> Thanks anyway
>> Regards Zoe
>> 
>> 
>> God the father chose her
>> God the sun dwelt in her
>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>> Let’s have fun and cook together on zoe‘s blind kitchen corner.
>> 
>> 
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>> My YouTube channel
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>> 
>> 
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>> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
>> he's late
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Zoe,
>>> 
>>> I don’t think mailboxes can be moved.
>>> I think the best solution is to create a new mailbox in the desired 
>>> location, then move items from the previously created mailbox, to the new 
>>> mailbox, and then go back and delete the previously created mailbox. 
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2021, at 09:49, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everybody hope you are doing well.
>>> On the Mail app on my iMac, running Catalina I have clicked new mailboxes 
>>> and created new mailboxes to move messages that I do not want to delete 
>>> such as receipts, recipes etc. 
>>> I don’t like where these mailboxes have been placed. I tried dragging and 
>>> dropping folders in the positions that I want however voiceover announces 
>>> failed to drop.
>>> Does any

Re: Moving folders help

[FIOGKOS]

Thank you Brad, I have to say that’s a little disappointing, but oh well what 
can you do? There are bigger problems in the world than this.
Thanks anyway
Regards Zoe


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God the sun dwelt in her
God the spirit overshadowed her
Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
Let’s have fun and cook together on zoe‘s blind kitchen corner.


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> On Oct 1, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Hi Zoe,
> 
> I don’t think mailboxes can be moved.
> I think the best solution is to create a new mailbox in the desired location, 
> then move items from the previously created mailbox, to the new mailbox, and 
> then go back and delete the previously created mailbox. 
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Oct 1, 2021, at 09:49, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody hope you are doing well.
> On the Mail app on my iMac, running Catalina I have clicked new mailboxes and 
> created new mailboxes to move messages that I do not want to delete such as 
> receipts, recipes etc. 
> I don’t like where these mailboxes have been placed. I tried dragging and 
> dropping folders in the positions that I want however voiceover announces 
> failed to drop.
> Does anybody have any idea how to edit and move folders around in the native 
> Apple meal on the Mac?
> Thank you for any help in advanced.
> Regards Zoe
> 
> 
> God the father chose her
> God the sun dwelt in her
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> 
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Moving folders help

[FIOGKOS]

Hi everybody hope you are doing well.
On the Mail app on my iMac, running Catalina I have clicked new mailboxes and 
created new mailboxes to move messages that I do not want to delete such as 
receipts, recipes etc. 
I don’t like where these mailboxes have been placed. I tried dragging and 
dropping folders in the positions that I want however voiceover announces 
failed to drop.
Does anybody have any idea how to edit and move folders around in the native 
Apple meal on the Mac?
Thank you for any help in advanced.
Regards Zoe


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God the sun dwelt in her
God the spirit overshadowed her
Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
Let’s have fun and cook together on zoe‘s blind kitchen corner.


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Re: Autochange Language?

[FIOGKOS]

Hi Andrew, hope you are well, I have 27 inch iMac late 2013 and an iPhone 8 
plus. My Mac is running Catalina because it will not take any newer update. On 
my iPhone 8 plus the Greek language works just fine. On the Mac running 
Catalina the Greek does not work. The Greek voice reads characters but not 
words and lines. I called apple accessibility about this. They had me record 
what’s happening on my Mac with the Greek language they got back to me saying 
they need more information and want to do another recording of my 
Mac/screen/voiceover/Greek voice and how things work. When they called me I was 
unavailable and sent them an email replying back that I would be available a 
day later at a certain time. They never got back to me and I plan to call them 
again.
Open till this issue I have been very happy with apple accessibility, however 
with the language issue I feel like they left me hanging.
I’m not giving up I will try again.
It is absolutely necessary for me to have the Greek language working on the 
Mac, so I hope they will fix it soon.
Regards Zoe


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> On Sep 28, 2021, at 3:46 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
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> Auto-switch language has been hit for a long time and I’ve been 
> reporting it for over 5 years now since High Sierra was released.  
> Auto-switch language works for some languages for me but it certainly doesn’t 
> work for Greek.  I’m pulling my hair out with Apple Accessibility.  The 
> trouble is very few of us report this problem as the majority don’t use 
> multiple languages.  For those of us who do, I fear I’m beginning to consider 
> switching back to Windows although I love my mac.
> 
> Andrew
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>> On 28 Sep 2021, at 17:44, Fazil  wrote:
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>> Hi, Group.
>> My iPhone8 autoswitches to any supported languages when it encounters the 
>> text of that language. Should I expect the same behavior from MacBookPro2017?
>> If yes, what should I do to have Macbook ? autoswitch the language, please? 
>> I think I checked the box that talks about autoswitching language in 
>> VoiceOver Utility but I am not sure.
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Re: adding text at start of video on mac

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Hi there, I have done this with iMovie on the iPhone. I’m sure it can be done 
on the Mac again with iMovie but I have not gotten around to playing with it 
yet. If you would like to know how I did it on the iPhone let me know.
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> On Jun 23, 2021, at 6:32 PM, Michael Marshall  
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> hey all,
> A very interesting situation, I upload a lot of historical audio from decades 
> gone by that does have some offensive content, what i want to do is put a 
> verbal warning as well as a text warning at the beginning of these videos for 
> youtube.
> Has anyone ever attempted to put text on the YouTube videos using a mac?
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Re: Zoom again.

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Re: Selection process with macOS

[FIOGKOS]

Hey Brad and all just wanted to confirm that I tried this again today and yes 
my quick NAV was on that’s why I was able to do it using the arrow keys without 
the VO
I have to admit sometimes all these options on the Mac of doing things with 
more than one way confuses me, however sometimes it makes my life easier. I can 
choose which way I want to do certain things. Especially for items that I do on 
a daily basis it’s good to find the sequence of keys that suits my individual 
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> On Jun 16, 2021, at 11:39 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> Yes, you probably have QuickNav on.  That would be my guess.
> I’m sure the selection process would work in something other than List view.  
> I just always default to List for all folders on any Desktop OS.
> Been doing it that way for many years.
> 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jun 16, 2021, at 22:33, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brad, 
> Maybe I had quick nav on, I also do not use list view. I was selecting files 
> this morning with the way I described. Who knows why I was able to do it? 
> It’s kind of late right now but you’ve got me curious I’m going to test this 
> out again tomorrow.
> By the way thank you very much for all the help you’ve given me previously. 
> Be well
> Regards Zoe
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> 
>> On Jun 16, 2021, at 11:22 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> You must continue to hold down the VoiceOver modifier key while navigating 
>> among the files you wished to select during the multi selection process. if 
>> you navigate without holding down the VoiceOver modifier, you will deselect 
>> any file that has already been selected.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Jun 16, 2021, at 22:06, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I am using Catalina but I think it’s the same.
>> Press VO command return, then let go of the keys and arrow to the next file 
>> you want, press VO command return again and you will hear VoiceOver say 
>> added to selection.
>> Hope this helps
>> Zoe
>> 
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>> 
>>> On Jun 16, 2021, at 10:09 PM, Jijesh A  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Respected friends,
>>> How to perform the process of selecting item differently for example I have 
>>> 10 files in a folder I want to select file number three, six, and nine. if 
>>> you don't mind, can anybody tell me the process?
>>> At present I am working with Mac OS Big Sur11.4.
>>> With warm regards.
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Re: Selection process with macOS

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Hi Brad, 
Maybe I had quick nav on, I also do not use list view. I was selecting files 
this morning with the way I described. Who knows why I was able to do it? It’s 
kind of late right now but you’ve got me curious I’m going to test this out 
again tomorrow.
By the way thank you very much for all the help you’ve given me previously. Be 
well
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> On Jun 16, 2021, at 11:22 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> You must continue to hold down the VoiceOver modifier key while navigating 
> among the files you wished to select during the multi selection process. if 
> you navigate without holding down the VoiceOver modifier, you will deselect 
> any file that has already been selected.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jun 16, 2021, at 22:06, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> 
> I am using Catalina but I think it’s the same.
> Press VO command return, then let go of the keys and arrow to the next file 
> you want, press VO command return again and you will hear VoiceOver say added 
> to selection.
> Hope this helps
> Zoe
> 
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>> On Jun 16, 2021, at 10:09 PM, Jijesh A  wrote:
>> 
>> Respected friends,
>> How to perform the process of selecting item differently for example I have 
>> 10 files in a folder I want to select file number three, six, and nine. if 
>> you don't mind, can anybody tell me the process?
>> At present I am working with Mac OS Big Sur11.4.
>> With warm regards.
>> Jijesh.
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Re: Selection process with macOS

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I am using Catalina but I think it’s the same.
Press VO command return, then let go of the keys and arrow to the next file you 
want, press VO command return again and you will hear VoiceOver say added to 
selection.
Hope this helps
Zoe


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> On Jun 16, 2021, at 10:09 PM, Jijesh A  wrote:
> 
> Respected friends,
> How to perform the process of selecting item differently for example I have 
> 10 files in a folder I want to select file number three, six, and nine. if 
> you don't mind, can anybody tell me the process?
> At present I am working with Mac OS Big Sur11.4.
> With warm regards.
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Re: Help with new external hard drive

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Thank you again very much, and by the way if I didn’t mention it before I did 
successfully move files to the drive without any problem. Have a wonderful day.
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> On Jun 10, 2021, at 4:29 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> Yes, that’s exactly why that message is coming up.  Go ahead and eject both.  
> In the future, you can just navigate to one of them, then press cmd-option-e 
> and it will eject both at once.
> 
> Later…
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>> On Jun 10, 2021, at 1:46 PM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everybody, I just sent a thank you message that everything went well. I 
>> renamed my drive Zoe‘s movie drive. I went to the volume on my desktop and 
>> clicked VO shift M. I used the arrow keys and went down to eject. A window 
>> popped up with the following message that is now severely confusing me. Can 
>> anybody tell Tell me what this means and what I should do?
>> Finder alert image
>> Zoe‘s movie drive is a volume A disk that has two volumes volumes do you 
>> want to eject Zoe‘s movie drive only or both volume volumes?
>> I have a cancel button, eject all button and an eject button. Why is it 
>> telling me I have two volumes is it because of that GE utility folder on the 
>> desktop? Anyhow what do I do?
>> Regards Zoe
>> 
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>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2021, at 2:02 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Believe me, it’s not all that complicated. In fact, what I detailed is 
>>> actually fairly simple. Now, if you want complicated, try partitioning that 
>>> drive with multiple logical partitions, then formatting them for a 
>>> different Filesystem each and then mounting them under Linux. *THAT* gets 
>>> complicated.
>>> 
>>> -Eric
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 9, 2021, at 8:21 AM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you very much Eric, for a beginner user like me that sounds terrible 
>>>> and complicated. Having said that I will save your instructions and 
>>>> hopefully I will not run into any problems. Thank you for all your help.
>>>> Regards Zoe
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 9, 2021, at 4:50 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well,
>>>>> The answer should be yes, that it is relatively easy. Sometimes, However, 
>>>>> things don’t work quite that way.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, if the drive doesn’t come up as it should, you can go into 
>>>>> DiskUtility, choose the drive from the sidebar, press VO+SHIFT+M and 
>>>>> choose erase. Name it in the edit box, choose the security level of the 
>>>>> erase and then press the erase button. Depending on the speed of your 
>>>>> external connection (USB 3 or above), this may take a few hours.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Once initialized, you can then open up a terminal window and then use the 
>>>>> following command to move your files:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mv -v /path_to_original_drive/* /Path_to_destination_drive/ and then 
>>>>> press enter. The files will be moved starting with the first directory in 
>>>>> alphanumeric order and then descending into each folder after it is 
>>>>> created on the destination drive. This will also take rather a while, but 
>>>>> not nearly as long. Also, if some of the files have problems, mv will 
>>>>> issue an e

Re: Help with new external hard drive

[FIOGKOS]

Hi everybody, I just sent a thank you message that everything went well. I 
renamed my drive Zoe‘s movie drive. I went to the volume on my desktop and 
clicked VO shift M. I used the arrow keys and went down to eject. A window 
popped up with the following message that is now severely confusing me. Can 
anybody tell Tell me what this means and what I should do?
Finder alert image
Zoe‘s movie drive is a volume A disk that has two volumes volumes do you want 
to eject Zoe‘s movie drive only or both volume volumes?
I have a cancel button, eject all button and an eject button. Why is it telling 
me I have two volumes is it because of that GE utility folder on the desktop? 
Anyhow what do I do?
Regards Zoe


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> On Jun 10, 2021, at 2:02 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> Believe me, it’s not all that complicated. In fact, what I detailed is 
> actually fairly simple. Now, if you want complicated, try partitioning that 
> drive with multiple logical partitions, then formatting them for a different 
> Filesystem each and then mounting them under Linux. *THAT* gets complicated.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2021, at 8:21 AM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you very much Eric, for a beginner user like me that sounds terrible 
>> and complicated. Having said that I will save your instructions and 
>> hopefully I will not run into any problems. Thank you for all your help.
>> Regards Zoe
>> 
>> 
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>> he's late
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2021, at 4:50 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well,
>>> The answer should be yes, that it is relatively easy. Sometimes, However, 
>>> things don’t work quite that way.
>>> 
>>> So, if the drive doesn’t come up as it should, you can go into DiskUtility, 
>>> choose the drive from the sidebar, press VO+SHIFT+M and choose erase. Name 
>>> it in the edit box, choose the security level of the erase and then press 
>>> the erase button. Depending on the speed of your external connection (USB 3 
>>> or above), this may take a few hours.
>>> 
>>> Once initialized, you can then open up a terminal window and then use the 
>>> following command to move your files:
>>> 
>>> Mv -v /path_to_original_drive/* /Path_to_destination_drive/ and then press 
>>> enter. The files will be moved starting with the first directory in 
>>> alphanumeric order and then descending into each folder after it is created 
>>> on the destination drive. This will also take rather a while, but not 
>>> nearly as long. Also, if some of the files have problems, mv will issue an 
>>> error indicating that a specific file or folder could not be moved and why. 
>>> You can then either copy those using finder or force a move with the -f 
>>> flag. Also, you might need to do this as a super user (example: sudo mv -v 
>>> -f /originating_path/* /destination_path/ ).
>>> 
>>> It’s basically that simple. :)
>>> 
>>> -Eric
>>>  
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 6:41 AM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi everybody hope you’re doing well. I have a 2013 late I Mac running 
>>>> Catalina with a 1 TB hard drive.
>>>> I am starting my own YouTube channel with cooking episodes. I am using 
>>>> iMovie to edit and join my Clips together. I am using my iPhone to tape my 
>>>> cooking shows and transferring the clips to the iMac. I have finished 14 
>>>> episodes and my iMac hard drive is already half full so I bought a 4 TB 
>>>> hard drive from the Apple store. The man at the Apple Store told me the 
>>>> hard drive needs formatting but he said that when I plug it in the 
>>>> on-screen instructions are pretty straightforward. My first question is 
>>>> that correct? Do I need to know anything about using the drive for the 
>>>> first time? My second question is the following I want to move my iMovie 
>>>> files and some text documents onto the hard drive is it as easy as copying 
>>>> the files and then using the move command to the drive? How is moving the 
>>>&

Re: Help with new external hard drive

[Zoe Fiogkos]

Hi again Tim and all.
Thank you very much for all your help, everything went well. Success, the 
formatting was very quick and easy and I am now moving my files on to the drive.
Regards Zoe


> On Jun 10, 2021, at 2:07 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> It sounds like it is already formatted if it is asking you about using it for 
> a Time Machine backup device.  I would erase it anyway though using my 
> instructions.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2021, at 12:01 PM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>> 
>> Good afternoon Tim and all, hope you are well. Today I plugged in the new 
>> external drive. As soon as I plugged it in a window appeared asking me if I 
>> want to use this drive for time machine back ups I clicked do not use. The 
>> window and disappeared and nothing else popped up. On the desktop I see the 
>> following
>> G drive mobile USB-C volume
>> I also see something else called G utilities volume
>> Tim, should I follow your instructions for formatting the drive how do I 
>> know if this drive is formatted? Like I said above no windows popped up 
>> except for asking me if I want to use it for the time machine back up.
>> Regards Zoe
>> 
>> 
>> God the father chose her
>> God the sun dwelt in her
>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>> Twitter
>> @FiogkosZoe
>> 
>> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
>> he's late
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 1:30 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> With respect to formatting the drive.  It kind of depends on if it is 
>>> already formatted from the factory.  If it is, it may be formatted and show 
>>> up on your Desktop, but be formatted in a format that is read only to the 
>>> Mac.  I suggest that you do the following before connecting the drive to 
>>> your Mac:
>>> 
>>> • go to the Desktop.
>>> • press cmd-comma to bring up Desktop Preferences.
>>> • if the General tab is not selected, select it.
>>> • make sure that the checkbox to show external drives on your Desktop is 
>>> checked.
>>> • close this window.
>>> • connect the drive.
>>> • follow the prompts if any appear.
>>> • if the drive simply shows up on the Desktop, then do the following extra 
>>> steps.
>>> • make sure you’re in the Finder by pressing VO-shift-d.
>>> • press cmd-shift-u to open the Utilities folder.
>>> • open the Disk Utility app.
>>> • in the table, locate and select your external drive.
>>> • stop interacting with the table and VO-left to the Toolbar.  Interact 
>>> with it.
>>> • locate the Erase button and VO-space to activate.
>>> • give the drive a name and format it as either APFS or MacOS Extended 
>>> (Journaled). Then press the Erase button.
>>> 
>>> After it has finished, press the Done button and quit Disk Utility.  You 
>>> will now have a properly formatted drive for your Mac.  No matter which 
>>> method you use, do make sure that it is formatted for the Mac as either 
>>> MacOS Extended (Journaled) or APFS for best results on your Mac.
>>> 
>>> Regarding iMovie and copying, when you create and edit these videos for 
>>> YouTube, have you saved the finished version on your internal drive, or 
>>> just uploaded directly to YouTube?  It is better to keep a version locally, 
>>> as well as uploading to YouTube in my experience.  Now, if you have the 
>>> exported finished copy, then that one is easy to copy and paste to the 
>>> external drive.  The actual iMovie product is more complicated as it is 
>>> comprised of both library and iMovie Project components, unless things have 
>>> changed lately.  The drive icon will show up on your Desktop if you set the 
>>> Finder Preferences as I’ve suggested above, so copying between the internal 
>>> Macintosh HD and the external is easy-peasy by the regular copy and paste 
>>> processes.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>

Re: Help with new external hard drive

[FIOGKOS]

Good afternoon Tim and all, hope you are well. Today I plugged in the new 
external drive. As soon as I plugged it in a window appeared asking me if I 
want to use this drive for time machine back ups I clicked do not use. The 
window and disappeared and nothing else popped up. On the desktop I see the 
following
G drive mobile USB-C volume
I also see something else called G utilities volume
Tim, should I follow your instructions for formatting the drive how do I know 
if this drive is formatted? Like I said above no windows popped up except for 
asking me if I want to use it for the time machine back up.
Regards Zoe


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God the sun dwelt in her
God the spirit overshadowed her
Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
Twitter
@FiogkosZoe

Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
he's late


> On Jun 8, 2021, at 1:30 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> With respect to formatting the drive.  It kind of depends on if it is already 
> formatted from the factory.  If it is, it may be formatted and show up on 
> your Desktop, but be formatted in a format that is read only to the Mac.  I 
> suggest that you do the following before connecting the drive to your Mac:
> 
> • go to the Desktop.
> • press cmd-comma to bring up Desktop Preferences.
> • if the General tab is not selected, select it.
> • make sure that the checkbox to show external drives on your Desktop is 
> checked.
> • close this window.
> • connect the drive.
> • follow the prompts if any appear.
> • if the drive simply shows up on the Desktop, then do the following extra 
> steps.
> • make sure you’re in the Finder by pressing VO-shift-d.
> • press cmd-shift-u to open the Utilities folder.
> • open the Disk Utility app.
> • in the table, locate and select your external drive.
> • stop interacting with the table and VO-left to the Toolbar.  Interact with 
> it.
> • locate the Erase button and VO-space to activate.
> • give the drive a name and format it as either APFS or MacOS Extended 
> (Journaled). Then press the Erase button.
> 
> After it has finished, press the Done button and quit Disk Utility.  You will 
> now have a properly formatted drive for your Mac.  No matter which method you 
> use, do make sure that it is formatted for the Mac as either MacOS Extended 
> (Journaled) or APFS for best results on your Mac.
> 
> Regarding iMovie and copying, when you create and edit these videos for 
> YouTube, have you saved the finished version on your internal drive, or just 
> uploaded directly to YouTube?  It is better to keep a version locally, as 
> well as uploading to YouTube in my experience.  Now, if you have the exported 
> finished copy, then that one is easy to copy and paste to the external drive. 
>  The actual iMovie product is more complicated as it is comprised of both 
> library and iMovie Project components, unless things have changed lately.  
> The drive icon will show up on your Desktop if you set the Finder Preferences 
> as I’ve suggested above, so copying between the internal Macintosh HD and the 
> external is easy-peasy by the regular copy and paste processes.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:41 AM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everybody hope you’re doing well. I have a 2013 late I Mac running 
>> Catalina with a 1 TB hard drive.
>> I am starting my own YouTube channel with cooking episodes. I am using 
>> iMovie to edit and join my Clips together. I am using my iPhone to tape my 
>> cooking shows and transferring the clips to the iMac. I have finished 14 
>> episodes and my iMac hard drive is already half full so I bought a 4 TB hard 
>> drive from the Apple store. The man at the Apple Store told me the hard 
>> drive needs formatting but he said that when I plug it in the on-screen 
>> instructions are pretty straightforward. My first question is that correct? 
>> Do I need to know anything about using the drive for the first time? My 
>> second question is the following I want to move my iMovie files and some 
>> text documents onto the hard drive is it as easy as copying the files and 
>> then using the move command to the drive? How is moving the files best 
>> accomplished?
>> Thank you in advance for any help.
>> Regards Zoe
>> 
>> 
>> God the father chose her
>> God the sun dwelt in her
>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>> Twitter
>> @FiogkosZoe
>>

Re: Help with new external hard drive

[FIOGKOS]

Once again thank you very much Tim, I will save your instructions and hopefully 
everything goes well.
Regards Zoe


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> On Jun 8, 2021, at 11:52 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, .mov and .mp4 are both fine for completed projects.  Both are readable 
> by QuickTime and both are upload able to YouTube.   In normal circumstances, 
> Those do sound like completed projects, so moving them to the external should 
> be fine.  There may still be project components left within your iMovie 
> library, but they will not affect the end product that you’ve created.  These 
> are left in iMovie in case you wish to redo anything.  They are good to be 
> deleted if you don’t think that you’ll ever need those original clips.  yes, 
> you should be able to do the cmd-c then cmd-option-v the .mov and .mp4 files 
> over to the external.  Try it with a not-important file first though as I 
> have seen things fails on occasion when using the move across volumes.  This 
> was long in the past, so it may be totally fine now, but it’s always good to 
> test on a nothing file.  If you wish to test it on one of your movies, just 
> duplicate one of them and cmd-c/cmd-option-v the duplicate.  If it goes 
> across fine, then you’re good to go.  In case you’re not familiar with the 
> duplicate command, just navigate to the item you wish to duplicate, then 
> press cmd-d.  It will make a copy of the original file with the word “Copy” 
> added to the end.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:23 PM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim, again thank you very much for the detailed explanation. I will save 
>> the email as I am not ready to do all of this quite yet. I’m thinking in a 
>> few days. I may have more questions, I hope you don’t mind.
>> I read your email twice and I have two very simple questions. I have not 
>> uploaded anything to YouTube yet, I have saved my movies on my iPhone 
>> therefore some of the files have the extension.MOV, a few other movies I 
>> have saved on the Mac therefore the extension is MP4
>> Does this matter? I mean the fact that these movies have different extension 
>> names? Voiceover does announce them as QuickTime movies. They have been 
>> saved after editing. If I move them to the external drive will I lose 
>> anything because of the library’s?
>> My second question is just I want to confirm if I copy the files and then 
>> use the command option v will be moved to the drive and leave no trace on my 
>> Mac? this is the point of buying an external hard drive, I want to fill up 
>> the external drive and empty out the iMac drive. Thank you again for any 
>> help in advance
>> Regards Zoe
>> 
>> 
>> God the father chose her
>> God the sun dwelt in her
>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>> Twitter
>> @FiogkosZoe
>> 
>> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
>> he's late
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 1:30 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> With respect to formatting the drive.  It kind of depends on if it is 
>>> already formatted from the factory.  If it is, it may be formatted and show 
>>> up on your Desktop, but be formatted in a format that is read only to the 
>>> Mac.  I suggest that you do the following before connecting the drive to 
>>> your Mac:
>>> 
>>> • go to the Desktop.
>>> • press cmd-comma to bring up Desktop Preferences.
>>> • if the General tab is not selected, select it.
>>> • make sure that the checkbox to show external drives on your Desktop is 
>>> checked.
>>> • close this window.
>>> • connect the drive.
>>> • follow the prompts if any appear.
>>> • if the drive simply shows up on the Desktop, then do the following extra 
>>> steps.
>>> • make sure you’re in the Finder by pressing VO-shift-d.
>>> • press cmd-shift-u to open the Utilities folder.
>>> • open the Disk Utility app.
>>> • in the table, locate and select your external drive.
>>> • stop interacting with t

Re: Help with new external hard drive

[FIOGKOS]

Thank you very much Eric, for a beginner user like me that sounds terrible and 
complicated. Having said that I will save your instructions and hopefully I 
will not run into any problems. Thank you for all your help.
Regards Zoe


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God the sun dwelt in her
God the spirit overshadowed her
Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
Twitter
@FiogkosZoe

Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
he's late


> On Jun 9, 2021, at 4:50 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> Well,
> The answer should be yes, that it is relatively easy. Sometimes, However, 
> things don’t work quite that way.
> 
> So, if the drive doesn’t come up as it should, you can go into DiskUtility, 
> choose the drive from the sidebar, press VO+SHIFT+M and choose erase. Name it 
> in the edit box, choose the security level of the erase and then press the 
> erase button. Depending on the speed of your external connection (USB 3 or 
> above), this may take a few hours.
> 
> Once initialized, you can then open up a terminal window and then use the 
> following command to move your files:
> 
> Mv -v /path_to_original_drive/* /Path_to_destination_drive/ and then press 
> enter. The files will be moved starting with the first directory in 
> alphanumeric order and then descending into each folder after it is created 
> on the destination drive. This will also take rather a while, but not nearly 
> as long. Also, if some of the files have problems, mv will issue an error 
> indicating that a specific file or folder could not be moved and why. You can 
> then either copy those using finder or force a move with the -f flag. Also, 
> you might need to do this as a super user (example: sudo mv -v -f 
> /originating_path/* /destination_path/ ).
> 
> It’s basically that simple. :)
> 
> -Eric
>  
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 6:41 AM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everybody hope you’re doing well. I have a 2013 late I Mac running 
>> Catalina with a 1 TB hard drive.
>> I am starting my own YouTube channel with cooking episodes. I am using 
>> iMovie to edit and join my Clips together. I am using my iPhone to tape my 
>> cooking shows and transferring the clips to the iMac. I have finished 14 
>> episodes and my iMac hard drive is already half full so I bought a 4 TB hard 
>> drive from the Apple store. The man at the Apple Store told me the hard 
>> drive needs formatting but he said that when I plug it in the on-screen 
>> instructions are pretty straightforward. My first question is that correct? 
>> Do I need to know anything about using the drive for the first time? My 
>> second question is the following I want to move my iMovie files and some 
>> text documents onto the hard drive is it as easy as copying the files and 
>> then using the move command to the drive? How is moving the files best 
>> accomplished?
>> Thank you in advance for any help.
>> Regards Zoe
>> 
>> 
>> God the father chose her
>> God the sun dwelt in her
>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>> Twitter
>> @FiogkosZoe
>> 
>> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
>> he's late
>> 
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Re: Help with new external hard drive

[FIOGKOS]

Hi Tim, again thank you very much for the detailed explanation. I will save the 
email as I am not ready to do all of this quite yet. I’m thinking in a few 
days. I may have more questions, I hope you don’t mind.
I read your email twice and I have two very simple questions. I have not 
uploaded anything to YouTube yet, I have saved my movies on my iPhone therefore 
some of the files have the extension.MOV, a few other movies I have saved on 
the Mac therefore the extension is MP4
Does this matter? I mean the fact that these movies have different extension 
names? Voiceover does announce them as QuickTime movies. They have been saved 
after editing. If I move them to the external drive will I lose anything 
because of the library’s?
My second question is just I want to confirm if I copy the files and then use 
the command option v will be moved to the drive and leave no trace on my Mac? 
this is the point of buying an external hard drive, I want to fill up the 
external drive and empty out the iMac drive. Thank you again for any help in 
advance
Regards Zoe


God the father chose her
God the sun dwelt in her
God the spirit overshadowed her
Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
Twitter
@FiogkosZoe

Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
he's late


> On Jun 8, 2021, at 1:30 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> With respect to formatting the drive.  It kind of depends on if it is already 
> formatted from the factory.  If it is, it may be formatted and show up on 
> your Desktop, but be formatted in a format that is read only to the Mac.  I 
> suggest that you do the following before connecting the drive to your Mac:
> 
> • go to the Desktop.
> • press cmd-comma to bring up Desktop Preferences.
> • if the General tab is not selected, select it.
> • make sure that the checkbox to show external drives on your Desktop is 
> checked.
> • close this window.
> • connect the drive.
> • follow the prompts if any appear.
> • if the drive simply shows up on the Desktop, then do the following extra 
> steps.
> • make sure you’re in the Finder by pressing VO-shift-d.
> • press cmd-shift-u to open the Utilities folder.
> • open the Disk Utility app.
> • in the table, locate and select your external drive.
> • stop interacting with the table and VO-left to the Toolbar.  Interact with 
> it.
> • locate the Erase button and VO-space to activate.
> • give the drive a name and format it as either APFS or MacOS Extended 
> (Journaled). Then press the Erase button.
> 
> After it has finished, press the Done button and quit Disk Utility.  You will 
> now have a properly formatted drive for your Mac.  No matter which method you 
> use, do make sure that it is formatted for the Mac as either MacOS Extended 
> (Journaled) or APFS for best results on your Mac.
> 
> Regarding iMovie and copying, when you create and edit these videos for 
> YouTube, have you saved the finished version on your internal drive, or just 
> uploaded directly to YouTube?  It is better to keep a version locally, as 
> well as uploading to YouTube in my experience.  Now, if you have the exported 
> finished copy, then that one is easy to copy and paste to the external drive. 
>  The actual iMovie product is more complicated as it is comprised of both 
> library and iMovie Project components, unless things have changed lately.  
> The drive icon will show up on your Desktop if you set the Finder Preferences 
> as I’ve suggested above, so copying between the internal Macintosh HD and the 
> external is easy-peasy by the regular copy and paste processes.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 7:41 AM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everybody hope you’re doing well. I have a 2013 late I Mac running 
>> Catalina with a 1 TB hard drive.
>> I am starting my own YouTube channel with cooking episodes. I am using 
>> iMovie to edit and join my Clips together. I am using my iPhone to tape my 
>> cooking shows and transferring the clips to the iMac. I have finished 14 
>> episodes and my iMac hard drive is already half full so I bought a 4 TB hard 
>> drive from the Apple store. The man at the Apple Store told me the hard 
>> drive needs formatting but he said that when I plug it in the on-screen 
>> instructions are pretty straightforward. My first question is that correct? 
>> Do I need to know anything about using the drive for the first time? My 
>> second question is the following I want to move my iMovie files and some 
>> text documents onto the hard dri

Help with new external hard drive

[FIOGKOS]

Hi everybody hope you’re doing well. I have a 2013 late I Mac running Catalina 
with a 1 TB hard drive.
I am starting my own YouTube channel with cooking episodes. I am using iMovie 
to edit and join my Clips together. I am using my iPhone to tape my cooking 
shows and transferring the clips to the iMac. I have finished 14 episodes and 
my iMac hard drive is already half full so I bought a 4 TB hard drive from the 
Apple store. The man at the Apple Store told me the hard drive needs formatting 
but he said that when I plug it in the on-screen instructions are pretty 
straightforward. My first question is that correct? Do I need to know anything 
about using the drive for the first time? My second question is the following I 
want to move my iMovie files and some text documents onto the hard drive is it 
as easy as copying the files and then using the move command to the drive? How 
is moving the files best accomplished?
Thank you in advance for any help.
Regards Zoe


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God the sun dwelt in her
God the spirit overshadowed her
Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
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@FiogkosZoe

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he's late

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Re: Working with multiple windows on the Mac help

[FIOGKOS]

Thank you so so so much, this is just the Explanation I was looking for. Now 
things make sense. Thank you for all the options you have given me. It’ll take 
a little bit of getting used to and I will have to try it a few times until 
it’s in bedded in my head. Using your instructions as a guide I’m sure 
everything will work out just as I wish. From the bottom of my heart thank you 
so much for understanding what I was asking and the differences even though I 
wasn’t precise in my examples. Thank you for your help and all your knowledge 
and your thorough explanation.
Regards Zoe


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> On Jun 1, 2021, at 11:58 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> A couple of things to comment on here.  First, the example you used with 
> respect to Windows is slightly different than what you’re asking to happen on 
> your Mac.  Your example in Windows used Word and IE which are different 
> applications.  This is more or less the same on the Mac.  If you had 
> something open in Word on the Mac, something in Pages and something in 
> Safari, you can simply press cmd-tab to cycle between these app windows.  If 
> you have multiple documents open within Word, then use cmd-accent to cycle 
> between the open documents, or windows, of a specific app.
> 
> The Finder, where Desktop folders and such are found is slightly different.  
> You still can use the cmd-accent key combination to cycle between open Finder 
> windows, but you’ll need to make sure that one preference is set for it to 
> work as you’re hoping.  So, when in the Finder, press cmd-comma to bring up 
> the Finder Preferences window.  Make sure that the General tab is selected in 
> the Toolbar, and find the item that mentions opening folders in tabs instead 
> of new windows.  If this item is not checked, then Finder windows should 
> behave in the manner you desire.  You can then use cmd-accent to cycle 
> between these windows within the Finder.
> 
> Remember that there are two different commands here.  The cmd-tab cycles 
> between open applications and will cycle you to the front most window in each 
> app.  The cmd-accent command cycles within the focused application windows.
> 
> Finally, if you wish, you can also use the Window Chooser, VO-f2-f2, to bring 
> up a list of open windows within the focused application instead of using 
> cmd-accent to cycle through them.  Both have their benefits.  As well, you 
> could use the Application Chooser, VO-f1-f1, to bring up the Application 
> Chooser screen, then arrow down through the open applications, then right and 
> down through the open windows within the given application.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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>> On Jun 1, 2021, at 8:32 AM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everybody, I need some help. I hope I can explain my issue thoroughly so 
>> that you can understand what I am asking. Coming from a windows background 
>> on windows I am able to have multiple windows open for example, a Microsoft 
>> word document, and Internet explorer page, and email. I can press the key 
>> combination alt tab to cycle through windows. Now that I am working on the 
>> Mac I have a open folder in my downloads finder window, I want to open 
>> another folder that is on my desktop when I do this I cannot recycle through 
>> the windows. Or at least I don’t know how to do this. It seems like when I 
>> am opening another folder up, for example in documents or even a different 
>> folder in downloads the previously opened folder disappears and every time I 
>> want to switch between folders I have to re-open from the start. What I am 
>> trying to say is I want to have multiple folders opened and be able to cycle 
>> through without having to close each one. How can I do this? I hope I 
>> haven’t confused you too much, thank you for any help.
>> Regards Zoe
>> 
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Working with multiple windows on the Mac help

[FIOGKOS]

Hi everybody, I need some help. I hope I can explain my issue thoroughly so 
that you can understand what I am asking. Coming from a windows background on 
windows I am able to have multiple windows open for example, a Microsoft word 
document, and Internet explorer page, and email. I can press the key 
combination alt tab to cycle through windows. Now that I am working on the Mac 
I have a open folder in my downloads finder window, I want to open another 
folder that is on my desktop when I do this I cannot recycle through the 
windows. Or at least I don’t know how to do this. It seems like when I am 
opening another folder up, for example in documents or even a different folder 
in downloads the previously opened folder disappears and every time I want to 
switch between folders I have to re-open from the start. What I am trying to 
say is I want to have multiple folders opened and be able to cycle through 
without having to close each one. How can I do this? I hope I haven’t confused 
you too much, thank you for any help.
Regards Zoe


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Re: help with junk mail

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Oh I see that sounds logical to me, thanks very much, i will try what you are  
suggesting. Thanks again.
 

> On May 30, 2021, at 2:41 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I don’t think this issue has anything to do with your Mac's Mail client, 
> rather this is an issue with your email provider who is marking the item as 
> junk before the mail even reaches your Mac's Mail app.
> I suggest that you log in to your email provider’s web portal, where you can 
> access the Junk email folder and mark the item as Not Junk.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On May 30, 2021, at 11:58, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, hope you are all doing well.
> I hope someone can help with the following.
> I opened up a new email address with gmail and all went well. i added the 
> account to my iMac and again all went well. I tested out the new address by 
> sending email to another account of mine and again all went well. 
> Here is where the problem is; whenever i send an email message from the gmail 
> account to my other email address mac mail puts the message into the junk 
> folder. I added the gmail address into my contacts but it still goes into the 
> junk folder. Can anyone tell me how to get around this? i don’t want the 
> gmail messages going into junk but into the regular inbox, how can i do this?
> Thank you in advanced for any help.
> Regards Zoe
> 
> 
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> God the Spirit over shadowed her.
> Most Holy mother of God intercede on our behalf and save us.
> 
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help with junk mail

[Zoe Fiogkos]

Hi everyone, hope you are all doing well.
I hope someone can help with the following.
I opened up a new email address with gmail and all went well. i added the 
account to my iMac and again all went well. I tested out the new address by 
sending email to another account of mine and again all went well. 
Here is where the problem is; whenever i send an email message from the gmail 
account to my other email address mac mail puts the message into the junk 
folder. I added the gmail address into my contacts but it still goes into the 
junk folder. Can anyone tell me how to get around this? i don’t want the gmail 
messages going into junk but into the regular inbox, how can i do this?
Thank you in advanced for any help.
Regards Zoe


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Re: help with text reading and selecting commands

[FIOGKOS]

Thank you very much Brad, this all sounds like a good place to start, and of 
course everything I need to learn.


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> On Dec 16, 2020, at 8:15 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Here are some VO reading commands:
> 
> VO + A - start continuous read from the current position of the VO cursor.
> VO + L - read current line.
> VO + S - read current sentence.
> VO + C - read current character.
> VO + B - read from beginning to current position of VO cursor.
> VO + W - Read visible text in VO cursor.  Pressing a second time will spell 
> the content, and pressing a third time will spell phonetically.
> 
> You can also interact with text, then use VO + right arrow to read by word.  
> Use VO + Shift + right arrow to read by character.
> 
> It may also be possible to read by character using only the arrow keys, and 
> by word using Option + arrow keys.  When using this method, you can also hold 
> down the shift key to select text as you press the arrow keys.
> 
> Note:  methods described above may or may not work in all situations.  You 
> are advised to experiment and use your problem solving skills.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 16, 2020, at 16:32, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:
> 
> Hi  everyone I need some help please. I’ve asked on a few lists and haven’t 
> gotten a streight answer. Please forgive my ignorance but I don’t know what 
> else to do or where to ask.
> I understand that on the mac there are maybe different commands for different 
> applications, having said that, i’m looking for basic reading and text 
> selecting commands for such things as how to read and or select text on such 
> applications as email, text edit, pages, and of course safari.
> Can anyone give me the basic commands for reading by line, word, caracter, 
> paragraph, and say all.
> also a list of commands for all of the above for selecting text.
> Thanks so much for any help provided.
> Regards
> Zoe
> 
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[Zoe Fiogkos]

Hi  everyone I need some help please. I’ve asked on a few lists and haven’t 
gotten a streight answer. Please forgive my ignorance but I don’t know what 
else to do or where to ask.
I understand that on the mac there are maybe different commands for different 
applications, having said that, i’m looking for basic reading and text 
selecting commands for such things as how to read and or select text on such 
applications as email, text edit, pages, and of course safari.
Can anyone give me the basic commands for reading by line, word, caracter, 
paragraph, and say all.
also a list of commands for all of the above for selecting text.
Thanks so much for any help provided.
Regards
Zoe

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Re: Selecting text from a PDF

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Hi Jonathan thank you for trying, what is the move cursor key? You say VO enter 
VO curser key? What exactly should I be pressing?


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> On Dec 10, 2020, at 8:33 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I can get simple phrases to be copied using the VO-enter move cursor and 
> VO-enter a second time. This will only work for me on chunks of text that are 
> part of the same phrase with no changes in text size or fonts.
> On web sites, usually if you can get one or two words selected, the rest can 
> be selected, and I thought I could do this on PDF's, but had no luck.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 20:19, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everybody I hope somebody can help. I’m not going to lie I have asked on 
>> another list and didn’t find an answer I’m hoping somebody here will know 
>> the answer to my question. I received a PDF file via email. I saved the 
>> attachment to my documents. I opened the PDF with preview. I interact with 
>> the text and I am able to read the document. I can select the whole document 
>> and copy and paste it somewhere else but I cannot select specific text does 
>> anybody know how to do this?
>> Regards Zoe
>> 
>> 
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Re: Selecting text from a PDF

[Zoe Fiogkos]

Hi Brad, I will give it a try. I was hoping not to have to take this extra step 
but if there is no other way, at least it can still be done.


> On Dec 10, 2020, at 8:55 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I would suggest opening the PDF document in Preview, as you have done, then 
> highlighting the entire document using CMD + A, and copying the selected text 
> to the clipboard.  Then open TextEdit, and paste the clipboard contents to a 
> blank TextEdit document, and hopefully you will now have an editable copy of 
> the PDF’s contents.
> 
> Let me know if this works. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 10, 2020, at 19:19, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody I hope somebody can help. I’m not going to lie I have asked on 
> another list and didn’t find an answer I’m hoping somebody here will know the 
> answer to my question. I received a PDF file via email. I saved the 
> attachment to my documents. I opened the PDF with preview. I interact with 
> the text and I am able to read the document. I can select the whole document 
> and copy and paste it somewhere else but I cannot select specific text does 
> anybody know how to do this?
> Regards Zoe
> 
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Selecting text from a PDF

[FIOGKOS]

Hi everybody I hope somebody can help. I’m not going to lie I have asked on 
another list and didn’t find an answer I’m hoping somebody here will know the 
answer to my question. I received a PDF file via email. I saved the attachment 
to my documents. I opened the PDF with preview. I interact with the text and I 
am able to read the document. I can select the whole document and copy and 
paste it somewhere else but I cannot select specific text does anybody know how 
to do this?
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Re: help with mac mail

[FIOGKOS]

Thank you very much Brad, great explanations as always.


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> On Dec 7, 2020, at 2:51 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Hi Zoe,
> 
> Vertical and horizontal Splitters divide areas, or “panes” in the Mail app 
> window.  When you interact with a splitter, you can adjust the position of 
> the splitter, and the size of certain panes in the application window.  What 
> you did was discover the splitter that separates the Mailbox list from the 
> Mailbox items list.  In the future, you can quickly show or hide the Mailbox 
> list using the keyboard command, CMD + Shift + M.
> 
> Another splitter you may want to adjust, is the horizontal splitter you find 
> when you VO + RightArrow, when in the Mailbox items list.  This splitter 
> adjust the size of the Mailbox items list, and the Mail preview area that may 
> be located below the Mailbox items list.  If you are using Side Preview mode, 
> than you will find a vertical splitter when you VO + RightArrow from the 
> Mailbox items list, which can be adjusted in the same manner.
> 
> In the Mail app on my Mac, I have turned off Side Preview mode, and have 
> adjusted the horizontal splitter below the Mailbox items list to 100%, which 
> collapses the Mail preview pane completely, because I prefer to view mail 
> messages in their own window by pressing enter on a mail item in the Mailbox 
> items list.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 7, 2020, at 12:31, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan and all. Thank you for replying to my message and the help. This 
> morning I sat on my computer and was planning to open up my iPhone with your 
> instructions Jonathan to start fixing or investigating how to view my junk 
> folder. Just before starting I decided to check for new email first get rid 
> of messages I don’t want, etc. As I was pressing VO and the arrow keys to 
> jump between favourites bar, messages table, scroll area etc. I noticed 
> voiceover saying to me vertical splitter, voiceover continue to tell me to 
> interact with this splitter, I wondered for a second what this could be. I 
> interacted with it and I heard such things as 10% 15% etc. Again I thought 
> for a second what does this do I stopped interacting. the little that I 
> changed the vertical splitter now gives me all my mailboxes. Everything is in 
> view just  As I wanted. All of this was fixed.  the junk folder is viewable 
> along with other mail folders just by adjusting the vertical splitter. 
> Who would have thought the answer was so easy. Sometimes you have to try 
> things and sometimes in my case you fix things by accident. This is good to 
> know for other people who are having problems and want to be able to have 
> access and view their junk folder.
> I hope this makes sense and that I didn’t confuse you very much.
> Again thank you for everything
> 
> 
> 
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> God the spirit overshadowed her
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> 
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> he's late
> 
> 
>> On Dec 6, 2020, at 5:25 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, you should have a junk folder without doing anything. It might be that 
>> you need to change something in Mail preferences.
>> Open preferences once you are in mail with command-comma.
>> In the toolbar there is a Junk  or Junk Mail button. Press this.
>> In this set of preferences, there is probably words saying something like 
>> use a junk folder or flag messages in the inbox as junk.
>> Obviously, you want the junk folder option. If this is already selected, 
>> then I don't have any suggestions for you.
>> Jonathan
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 5, 2020, at 22:37, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you so much, if you remember or find out how to add the junk folder 
>>> please inform me because it is just a preference thing, I really would like 
>>> to have my junk folder in view just like I do on my iPhone. I am not on big 
>>> sir, I am on Catalina. I have a late 2013 iMac and was told that I cannot 
>>> get the big sir update.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> God the father chose her
>>> God the sun dwelt in her
>>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
&g

Re: help with mac mail

[FIOGKOS]

Hi Jonathan and all. Thank you for replying to my message and the help. This 
morning I sat on my computer and was planning to open up my iPhone with your 
instructions Jonathan to start fixing or investigating how to view my junk 
folder. Just before starting I decided to check for new email first get rid of 
messages I don’t want, etc. As I was pressing VO and the arrow keys to jump 
between favourites bar, messages table, scroll area etc. I noticed voiceover 
saying to me vertical splitter, voiceover continue to tell me to interact with 
this splitter, I wondered for a second what this could be. I interacted with it 
and I heard such things as 10% 15% etc. Again I thought for a second what does 
this do I stopped interacting. the little that I changed the vertical splitter 
now gives me all my mailboxes. Everything is in view just  As I wanted. All of 
this was fixed.  the junk folder is viewable along with other mail folders just 
by adjusting the vertical splitter. 
Who would have thought the answer was so easy. Sometimes you have to try things 
and sometimes in my case you fix things by accident. This is good to know for 
other people who are having problems and want to be able to have access and 
view their junk folder.
I hope this makes sense and that I didn’t confuse you very much.
Again thank you for everything



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> On Dec 6, 2020, at 5:25 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> OK, you should have a junk folder without doing anything. It might be that 
> you need to change something in Mail preferences.
> Open preferences once you are in mail with command-comma.
> In the toolbar there is a Junk  or Junk Mail button. Press this.
> In this set of preferences, there is probably words saying something like use 
> a junk folder or flag messages in the inbox as junk.
> Obviously, you want the junk folder option. If this is already selected, then 
> I don't have any suggestions for you.
> Jonathan
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 5, 2020, at 22:37, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you so much, if you remember or find out how to add the junk folder 
>> please inform me because it is just a preference thing, I really would like 
>> to have my junk folder in view just like I do on my iPhone. I am not on big 
>> sir, I am on Catalina. I have a late 2013 iMac and was told that I cannot 
>> get the big sir update.
>> 
>> 
>> God the father chose her
>> God the sun dwelt in her
>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>> Twitter
>> @FiogkosZoe
>> 
>> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
>> he's late
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 5, 2020, at 9:45 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> Your first issue is because of "recent recipients". You probably replied to 
>>> a message from Donna, and since it actually went to the list, apple added 
>>> her name and the macvisionaries address to your recent recipient list. If 
>>> you open contacts and create a contact for the Macvisionaries list with the 
>>> e-mail address, then Macintosh Mail should put your Alias name there 
>>> instead of Donna.
>>> 
>>> In terms of the Junk folder, in BigSir, they hide the "All Junk" folder by 
>>> default.  there was a conversation about adding it back in, but I can't 
>>> remember the process correctly while testing before sending this message. 
>>> There is a area in the mail preferences about what to do with junk mail, 
>>> but the only way I can find my Junk folders is to inspect the individual 
>>> mail address I have att.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 5, 2020, at 21:20, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi everyone, I hope you can all help me.
>>>> Please remember i’m new on the Mac. Finally I have mail on my iMac and in 
>>>> many ways I like it better so far compaired to windows. I am typing this 
>>>> message and sending it from my Mac, and I’m thrilled about this. finally I 
>>>> feel i’m making a little progress on the Mac.
>>>> I have 2 questions about mail on the mac.
>>>> #1 when i want to send mail to this list and i’m in the proper field i 
>>>> start to type macvisionaries@google

Re: help with mac mail

[FIOGKOS]

Thank you so much, if you remember or find out how to add the junk folder 
please inform me because it is just a preference thing, I really would like to 
have my junk folder in view just like I do on my iPhone. I am not on big sir, I 
am on Catalina. I have a late 2013 iMac and was told that I cannot get the big 
sir update.


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> On Dec 5, 2020, at 9:45 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> Your first issue is because of "recent recipients". You probably replied to a 
> message from Donna, and since it actually went to the list, apple added her 
> name and the macvisionaries address to your recent recipient list. If you 
> open contacts and create a contact for the Macvisionaries list with the 
> e-mail address, then Macintosh Mail should put your Alias name there instead 
> of Donna.
> 
> In terms of the Junk folder, in BigSir, they hide the "All Junk" folder by 
> default.  there was a conversation about adding it back in, but I can't 
> remember the process correctly while testing before sending this message. 
> There is a area in the mail preferences about what to do with junk mail, but 
> the only way I can find my Junk folders is to inspect the individual mail 
> address I have att.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 5, 2020, at 21:20, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone, I hope you can all help me.
>> Please remember i’m new on the Mac. Finally I have mail on my iMac and in 
>> many ways I like it better so far compaired to windows. I am typing this 
>> message and sending it from my Mac, and I’m thrilled about this. finally I 
>> feel i’m making a little progress on the Mac.
>> I have 2 questions about mail on the mac.
>> #1 when i want to send mail to this list and i’m in the proper field i start 
>> to type macvisionaries@googlegroups.com i hear donna gooden at 
>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
>> obviously i don’t want to send Donna a message i want to send this message 
>> to the whole group. This also happends on my iPhone. i’ve found a work 
>> around on my phone but can’t seem to figure it out on my mac. 
>> #2 in the favourites i see inbox drafts and i believe trash if i remember 
>> correctly. where is my junk folder and how can i get it there into my 
>> favourites?
>> Thanks Zoe
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help with mac mail

[Zoe Fiogkos]

Hi everyone, I hope you can all help me.
Please remember i’m new on the Mac. Finally I have mail on my iMac and in many 
ways I like it better so far compaired to windows. I am typing this message and 
sending it from my Mac, and I’m thrilled about this. finally I feel i’m making 
a little progress on the Mac.
I have 2 questions about mail on the mac.
#1 when i want to send mail to this list and i’m in the proper field i start to 
type macvisionaries@googlegroups.com i hear donna gooden at 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
obviously i don’t want to send Donna a message i want to send this message to 
the whole group. This also happends on my iPhone. i’ve found a work around on 
my phone but can’t seem to figure it out on my mac. 
#2 in the favourites i see inbox drafts and i believe trash if i remember 
correctly. where is my junk folder and how can i get it there into my 
favourites?
Thanks Zoe

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Re: System voice problem or something like that

[FIOGKOS]

All boxes are unchecked. Still I hear two voices.


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> On Dec 2, 2020, at 12:16 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Skip the voice selection, and uncheck all the other boxes in this section.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Dec 2, 2020, at 08:33, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> 
> Good morning Brad and all, when I go to system 
> preferences/accessibility/speech system voice Samantha is announced as a 
> pop-up menu when I open that menu Samantha is checked and if I scroll down 
> there’s a whole bunch of other voices and at the bottom it says custom.
> I tried interacting but all I hear is checkmark from what I can tell and from 
> the result no matter what I press or how much I interact Samantha is not 
> being unchecked.
> I did go into the custom menu and uncheck all of the voices.
> Still the system voice is being heard and I can’t figure out how to uncheck 
> it. Any ideas?
> 
> 
> God the father chose her
> God the sun dwelt in her
> God the spirit overshadowed her
> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
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> 
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> he's late
> 
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2020, at 1:21 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> You can turn off what you are calling the "system voice” by doing the 
>> following:
>> 1.  Go to System Preferences > Accessibility, and select Speech from the 
>> Accessibility Features table.
>> 2.  Uncheck all the boxes in this area to insure that all Speech that is not 
>> VoiceOver is turned off.
>> 
>> Another thing to be aware of:
>> It has been my experience that with VoiceOver speech muted using the 
>> 3-finger double tap on the trackpad, Zoom announcements are still spoken and 
>> heard by others, while I am doing a Screen Share.  I have found that when I 
>> really need to make sure that there will be no speech while I am doing a 
>> screen share, I must turn off VoiceOver completely using CMD + F5 (or CMD + 
>> Triple pressing the TouchID button on a TouchBar MacBook Pro).
>> 
>> Another option for stifling Zoom announcements, is to go into the Zoom 
>> Preferences, select the Accessibility category, and navigate to the Screen 
>> Reader Alerts table.  Here you can pick and choose the alerts you want to 
>> hear, or silence them all if you wish.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 1, 2020, at 21:00, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everybody, here’s my new problems with zoom or rather with the Mac itself.
>> So before my zoom meeting tonight a friend and I decided to test a zoom 
>> meeting on the Mac.
>> Using earbuds that come with the iPhone on the Mac oh I was able to hear my 
>> friends voice over and he was able to hear mine. What to do about this? I 
>> decided I will turn voiceover off and use the keyboard commands to do what I 
>> want. I clicked command F5 and I heard VoiceOver say voiceover off. So then 
>> I went to hit the control key and both my friend and I heard VoiceOver say 
>> control. I turned voiceover back on and my friend suggested I mute speech 
>> using the double tap on the trackpad. Worked like a charm, voiceover said 
>> speech off. I went again and pressed the control key and I heard VoiceOver 
>> say control. I have had some issues with hearing two voices speak at the 
>> same time when I am performing certain tasks on the Mac. I realized that the 
>> problem is that there is a voice set for voiceover through the voiceover 
>> utility, but also in system preferences, accessibility, speech there is a 
>> voice set for system voice. I cannot find a setting or button to turn off 
>> system voice. So in the case of zoom when I turn voiceover off or mute 
>> speech the system voice is still speaking the modifier keys.
>> When I switch languages I hear the system voice speaking together with the 
>> voice of my choice of language. I do not know how to solve this. Any ideas?
>> After explaining all of this the bottom line is how do I turn off the system 
>> voice?
>> 
>> 
>> God the father chose her
>> God the sun dwelt in her
>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>> Twitter
>> @FiogkosZoe
>> 
>> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
>> he's late
>> 
>> 
>>

Re: System voice problem or something like that

[FIOGKOS]

Good morning Brad and all, when I go to system preferences/accessibility/speech 
system voice Samantha is announced as a pop-up menu when I open that menu 
Samantha is checked and if I scroll down there’s a whole bunch of other voices 
and at the bottom it says custom.
I tried interacting but all I hear is checkmark from what I can tell and from 
the result no matter what I press or how much I interact Samantha is not being 
unchecked.
I did go into the custom menu and uncheck all of the voices.
Still the system voice is being heard and I can’t figure out how to uncheck it. 
Any ideas?


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> On Dec 2, 2020, at 1:21 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> You can turn off what you are calling the "system voice” by doing the 
> following:
> 1.  Go to System Preferences > Accessibility, and select Speech from the 
> Accessibility Features table.
> 2.  Uncheck all the boxes in this area to insure that all Speech that is not 
> VoiceOver is turned off.
> 
> Another thing to be aware of:
> It has been my experience that with VoiceOver speech muted using the 3-finger 
> double tap on the trackpad, Zoom announcements are still spoken and heard by 
> others, while I am doing a Screen Share.  I have found that when I really 
> need to make sure that there will be no speech while I am doing a screen 
> share, I must turn off VoiceOver completely using CMD + F5 (or CMD + Triple 
> pressing the TouchID button on a TouchBar MacBook Pro).
> 
> Another option for stifling Zoom announcements, is to go into the Zoom 
> Preferences, select the Accessibility category, and navigate to the Screen 
> Reader Alerts table.  Here you can pick and choose the alerts you want to 
> hear, or silence them all if you wish.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 1, 2020, at 21:00, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody, here’s my new problems with zoom or rather with the Mac itself.
> So before my zoom meeting tonight a friend and I decided to test a zoom 
> meeting on the Mac.
> Using earbuds that come with the iPhone on the Mac oh I was able to hear my 
> friends voice over and he was able to hear mine. What to do about this? I 
> decided I will turn voiceover off and use the keyboard commands to do what I 
> want. I clicked command F5 and I heard VoiceOver say voiceover off. So then I 
> went to hit the control key and both my friend and I heard VoiceOver say 
> control. I turned voiceover back on and my friend suggested I mute speech 
> using the double tap on the trackpad. Worked like a charm, voiceover said 
> speech off. I went again and pressed the control key and I heard VoiceOver 
> say control. I have had some issues with hearing two voices speak at the same 
> time when I am performing certain tasks on the Mac. I realized that the 
> problem is that there is a voice set for voiceover through the voiceover 
> utility, but also in system preferences, accessibility, speech there is a 
> voice set for system voice. I cannot find a setting or button to turn off 
> system voice. So in the case of zoom when I turn voiceover off or mute speech 
> the system voice is still speaking the modifier keys.
> When I switch languages I hear the system voice speaking together with the 
> voice of my choice of language. I do not know how to solve this. Any ideas?
> After explaining all of this the bottom line is how do I turn off the system 
> voice?
> 
> 
> God the father chose her
> God the sun dwelt in her
> God the spirit overshadowed her
> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
> Twitter
> @FiogkosZoe
> 
> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
> he's late
> 
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2020, at 5:57 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, the Notes thing should work.
>> Now, go set up your email on your iMac.  There is no reason to have not 
>> already done this.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 1, 2020, at 15:26, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t know if I had a brain freeze but your message made me think what 
>> about just pasting the link into my notes and then opening my notes app on 
>> my iMac wouldn’t that work? I’m asking but I’m actually off to try it thanks 
>> Donna for your help
>> 
>> 
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>> God the sun dwelt in her
>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>> Twitter
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>> 
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Re: How to send a link to my iMac without email

[FIOGKOS]

That is what common sense says, we will see what the supposed experts say.


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> On Dec 2, 2020, at 12:07 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Wow, sorry to hear you are having such problems.  I would think that once 
> you know your new password, you should be able to get your mail set up on all 
> your devices.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 1, 2020, at 20:48, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> I would like to set up email on my iMac but I am having problems with email 
> in general. My ideal situation would be to have my email coming through on 
> all three of my devices, my iPhone, my iMac, and my Windows laptop.
> I am a beginner on Mac therefore I have my email coming through on windows 
> and my iPhone.
> I have had email coming through on windows and the iPhone for the last four 
> years. I felt I was ready to set up email on my iMac and tackle this and 
> learn it. My plans were shot down because a couple of weeks ago my mail 
> wasn’t coming through on  my iPhone and when I clicked on the error details 
> it told me to sign into my account and change my password. When I did this 
> everything started working on the iPhone but stopped working on windows. When 
> I fix the problem on windows it stops working on the iPhone. I was on the 
> phone with my Internet provider for two hours yesterday and they could not 
> fix it, and they do not know what’s going on, I am waiting to hear back from 
> them. They said they are going to look into it. The agent I spoke with 
> yesterday was supposed to set my email up on the iMac as well but since I’m 
> having these problems they decided not to go ahead with this. I have no idea 
> what’s going on.
> 
> 
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> God the sun dwelt in her
> God the spirit overshadowed her
> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
> Twitter
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> 
> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
> he's late
> 
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2020, at 5:57 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, the Notes thing should work.
>> Now, go set up your email on your iMac.  There is no reason to have not 
>> already done this.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 1, 2020, at 15:26, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t know if I had a brain freeze but your message made me think what 
>> about just pasting the link into my notes and then opening my notes app on 
>> my iMac wouldn’t that work? I’m asking but I’m actually off to try it thanks 
>> Donna for your help
>> 
>> 
>> God the father chose her
>> God the sun dwelt in her
>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>> Twitter
>> @FiogkosZoe
>> 
>> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
>> he's late
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2020, at 4:21 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> It’s easy. Just cut and paste it into a file and save the file in iCloud. 
>>> Then access the file from your Mac and you’ll be able to click on the link.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 1, 2020, at 3:09 PM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi everybody, I have my zoom meeting tonight and I have been sent a link 
>>>> for the meeting as well as a Calendar file.
>>>> I have email on my iPhone but have not set up email on my iMac. I would 
>>>> like to attempt to use my iMac tonight for the zoom meeting. Any ideas of 
>>>> how I can send this link to my iMac?
>>>> I appreciate all the help I can get
>>>> Zoe
>>>> 
>>>> God the father chose her
>>>> God the sun dwelt in her
>>>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>>>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>>>> Twitter
>>>> @FiogkosZoe
>>>> 
>>>> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel 
>>>> when he's late
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 10:38 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> To raise your hand on a Mac is Option + Y..  On Windows, it is ALT + Y..
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>> 

Re: How to send a link to my iMac without email

[FIOGKOS]

It’s set to map


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> On Dec 1, 2020, at 10:22 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Are you setting it up as map or pop? You should use map to get it to synch 
> across all your devices.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Woodworker, Oregonian, Pioneer, Musician, Engineer, and Farfar
> 
> On Dec 1, 2020, at 6:48 PM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> I would like to set up email on my iMac but I am having problems with email 
> in general. My ideal situation would be to have my email coming through on 
> all three of my devices, my iPhone, my iMac, and my Windows laptop.
> I am a beginner on Mac therefore I have my email coming through on windows 
> and my iPhone.
> I have had email coming through on windows and the iPhone for the last four 
> years. I felt I was ready to set up email on my iMac and tackle this and 
> learn it. My plans were shot down because a couple of weeks ago my mail 
> wasn’t coming through on  my iPhone and when I clicked on the error details 
> it told me to sign into my account and change my password. When I did this 
> everything started working on the iPhone but stopped working on windows. When 
> I fix the problem on windows it stops working on the iPhone. I was on the 
> phone with my Internet provider for two hours yesterday and they could not 
> fix it, and they do not know what’s going on, I am waiting to hear back from 
> them. They said they are going to look into it. The agent I spoke with 
> yesterday was supposed to set my email up on the iMac as well but since I’m 
> having these problems they decided not to go ahead with this. I have no idea 
> what’s going on.
> 
> 
> God the father chose her
> God the sun dwelt in her
> God the spirit overshadowed her
> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
> Twitter
> @FiogkosZoe
> 
> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
> he's late
> 
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2020, at 5:57 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, the Notes thing should work.
>> Now, go set up your email on your iMac.  There is no reason to have not 
>> already done this.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 1, 2020, at 15:26, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t know if I had a brain freeze but your message made me think what 
>> about just pasting the link into my notes and then opening my notes app on 
>> my iMac wouldn’t that work? I’m asking but I’m actually off to try it thanks 
>> Donna for your help
>> 
>> 
>> God the father chose her
>> God the sun dwelt in her
>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>> Twitter
>> @FiogkosZoe
>> 
>> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
>> he's late
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Dec 1, 2020, at 4:21 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> It’s easy. Just cut and paste it into a file and save the file in iCloud. 
>>> Then access the file from your Mac and you’ll be able to click on the link.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 1, 2020, at 3:09 PM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi everybody, I have my zoom meeting tonight and I have been sent a link 
>>>> for the meeting as well as a Calendar file.
>>>> I have email on my iPhone but have not set up email on my iMac. I would 
>>>> like to attempt to use my iMac tonight for the zoom meeting. Any ideas of 
>>>> how I can send this link to my iMac?
>>>> I appreciate all the help I can get
>>>> Zoe
>>>> 
>>>> God the father chose her
>>>> God the sun dwelt in her
>>>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>>>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>>>> Twitter
>>>> @FiogkosZoe
>>>> 
>>>> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel 
>>>> when he's late
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 10:38 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> To raise your hand on a Mac is Option + Y..  On Windows, it is ALT + Y..
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 30, 2

System voice problem or something like that

[FIOGKOS]

Hi everybody, here’s my new problems with zoom or rather with the Mac itself.
So before my zoom meeting tonight a friend and I decided to test a zoom meeting 
on the Mac.
Using earbuds that come with the iPhone on the Mac oh I was able to hear my 
friends voice over and he was able to hear mine. What to do about this? I 
decided I will turn voiceover off and use the keyboard commands to do what I 
want. I clicked command F5 and I heard VoiceOver say voiceover off. So then I 
went to hit the control key and both my friend and I heard VoiceOver say 
control. I turned voiceover back on and my friend suggested I mute speech using 
the double tap on the trackpad. Worked like a charm, voiceover said speech off. 
I went again and pressed the control key and I heard VoiceOver say control. I 
have had some issues with hearing two voices speak at the same time when I am 
performing certain tasks on the Mac. I realized that the problem is that there 
is a voice set for voiceover through the voiceover utility, but also in system 
preferences, accessibility, speech there is a voice set for system voice. I 
cannot find a setting or button to turn off system voice. So in the case of 
zoom when I turn voiceover off or mute speech the system voice is still 
speaking the modifier keys.
When I switch languages I hear the system voice speaking together with the 
voice of my choice of language. I do not know how to solve this. Any ideas?
After explaining all of this the bottom line is how do I turn off the system 
voice?


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> On Dec 1, 2020, at 5:57 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Yes, the Notes thing should work.
> Now, go set up your email on your iMac.  There is no reason to have not 
> already done this.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 1, 2020, at 15:26, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> I don’t know if I had a brain freeze but your message made me think what 
> about just pasting the link into my notes and then opening my notes app on my 
> iMac wouldn’t that work? I’m asking but I’m actually off to try it thanks 
> Donna for your help
> 
> 
> God the father chose her
> God the sun dwelt in her
> God the spirit overshadowed her
> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
> Twitter
> @FiogkosZoe
> 
> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
> he's late
> 
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2020, at 4:21 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> It’s easy. Just cut and paste it into a file and save the file in iCloud. 
>> Then access the file from your Mac and you’ll be able to click on the link.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2020, at 3:09 PM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everybody, I have my zoom meeting tonight and I have been sent a link 
>>> for the meeting as well as a Calendar file.
>>> I have email on my iPhone but have not set up email on my iMac. I would 
>>> like to attempt to use my iMac tonight for the zoom meeting. Any ideas of 
>>> how I can send this link to my iMac?
>>> I appreciate all the help I can get
>>> Zoe
>>> 
>>> God the father chose her
>>> God the sun dwelt in her
>>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>>> Twitter
>>> @FiogkosZoe
>>> 
>>> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel 
>>> when he's late
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 10:38 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> To raise your hand on a Mac is Option + Y..  On Windows, it is ALT + Y..
>>>> 
>>>> - Brad -
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 20:57, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you very much Herbie, this helps very much. I did test out zoom on 
>>>> the iPhone with a friend and I could not hear his voice over or he could 
>>>> not hear mine. So it looks like problem solved at least on the iPhone I 
>>>> will try it also on the Mac and windows when I have a chance. I have a 
>>>> feeling that all is OK. Do you know the key command for raising your hand 
>>>> on both the Mac and windows? Thank you for all your help.
>>>> Regards Zoe
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> God the father chose her
>>>> God the sun dwelt in her
>>>> God the spirit ove

Re: How to send a link to my iMac without email

[FIOGKOS]

I would like to set up email on my iMac but I am having problems with email in 
general. My ideal situation would be to have my email coming through on all 
three of my devices, my iPhone, my iMac, and my Windows laptop.
I am a beginner on Mac therefore I have my email coming through on windows and 
my iPhone.
I have had email coming through on windows and the iPhone for the last four 
years. I felt I was ready to set up email on my iMac and tackle this and learn 
it. My plans were shot down because a couple of weeks ago my mail wasn’t coming 
through on  my iPhone and when I clicked on the error details it told me to 
sign into my account and change my password. When I did this everything started 
working on the iPhone but stopped working on windows. When I fix the problem on 
windows it stops working on the iPhone. I was on the phone with my Internet 
provider for two hours yesterday and they could not fix it, and they do not 
know what’s going on, I am waiting to hear back from them. They said they are 
going to look into it. The agent I spoke with yesterday was supposed to set my 
email up on the iMac as well but since I’m having these problems they decided 
not to go ahead with this. I have no idea what’s going on.


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God the sun dwelt in her
God the spirit overshadowed her
Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
Twitter
@FiogkosZoe

Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
he's late


> On Dec 1, 2020, at 5:57 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Yes, the Notes thing should work.
> Now, go set up your email on your iMac.  There is no reason to have not 
> already done this.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 1, 2020, at 15:26, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> I don’t know if I had a brain freeze but your message made me think what 
> about just pasting the link into my notes and then opening my notes app on my 
> iMac wouldn’t that work? I’m asking but I’m actually off to try it thanks 
> Donna for your help
> 
> 
> God the father chose her
> God the sun dwelt in her
> God the spirit overshadowed her
> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
> Twitter
> @FiogkosZoe
> 
> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
> he's late
> 
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2020, at 4:21 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> It’s easy. Just cut and paste it into a file and save the file in iCloud. 
>> Then access the file from your Mac and you’ll be able to click on the link.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2020, at 3:09 PM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everybody, I have my zoom meeting tonight and I have been sent a link 
>>> for the meeting as well as a Calendar file.
>>> I have email on my iPhone but have not set up email on my iMac. I would 
>>> like to attempt to use my iMac tonight for the zoom meeting. Any ideas of 
>>> how I can send this link to my iMac?
>>> I appreciate all the help I can get
>>> Zoe
>>> 
>>> God the father chose her
>>> God the sun dwelt in her
>>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>>> Twitter
>>> @FiogkosZoe
>>> 
>>> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel 
>>> when he's late
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 10:38 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> To raise your hand on a Mac is Option + Y..  On Windows, it is ALT + Y..
>>>> 
>>>> - Brad -
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 20:57, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you very much Herbie, this helps very much. I did test out zoom on 
>>>> the iPhone with a friend and I could not hear his voice over or he could 
>>>> not hear mine. So it looks like problem solved at least on the iPhone I 
>>>> will try it also on the Mac and windows when I have a chance. I have a 
>>>> feeling that all is OK. Do you know the key command for raising your hand 
>>>> on both the Mac and windows? Thank you for all your help.
>>>> Regards Zoe
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> God the father chose her
>>>> God the sun dwelt in her
>>>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>>>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>>>> Twitter
>>>> @FiogkosZoe
>>>> 
>>>> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel 
>>>> when he's late

Re: How to send a link to my iMac without email

[FIOGKOS]

I don’t know if I had a brain freeze but your message made me think what about 
just pasting the link into my notes and then opening my notes app on my iMac 
wouldn’t that work? I’m asking but I’m actually off to try it thanks Donna for 
your help


God the father chose her
God the sun dwelt in her
God the spirit overshadowed her
Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
Twitter
@FiogkosZoe

Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
he's late


> On Dec 1, 2020, at 4:21 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> It’s easy. Just cut and paste it into a file and save the file in iCloud. 
> Then access the file from your Mac and you’ll be able to click on the link.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2020, at 3:09 PM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>> 
>> Hi everybody, I have my zoom meeting tonight and I have been sent a link 
>> for the meeting as well as a Calendar file.
>> I have email on my iPhone but have not set up email on my iMac. I would like 
>> to attempt to use my iMac tonight for the zoom meeting. Any ideas of how I 
>> can send this link to my iMac?
>> I appreciate all the help I can get
>> Zoe
>> 
>> God the father chose her
>> God the sun dwelt in her
>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>> Twitter
>> @FiogkosZoe
>> 
>> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
>> he's late
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 10:38 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> To raise your hand on a Mac is Option + Y..  On Windows, it is ALT + Y..
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 20:57, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you very much Herbie, this helps very much. I did test out zoom on 
>>> the iPhone with a friend and I could not hear his voice over or he could 
>>> not hear mine. So it looks like problem solved at least on the iPhone I 
>>> will try it also on the Mac and windows when I have a chance. I have a 
>>> feeling that all is OK. Do you know the key command for raising your hand 
>>> on both the Mac and windows? Thank you for all your help.
>>> Regards Zoe
>>> 
>>> 
>>> God the father chose her
>>> God the sun dwelt in her
>>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>>> Twitter
>>> @FiogkosZoe
>>> 
>>> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel 
>>> when he's late
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 2:42 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>> The respective screen readers are good about giving commands when you tab 
>>>> to an action. For instance, Command shift A for muting and unmuting on 
>>>> Mac, Alt A for Windows. As for Screen Readers, headphones is the best way 
>>>> to go if on a computer, but the phone is fine provided you don’t have the 
>>>> original sound turned on. If you are wanting to share your jaws or Vo on 
>>>> the computer this can be done via the screen sharing and checking the 
>>>> audio option.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 13:08, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi everybody, I really really need help. I got zoom installed on my Mac, 
>>>>> my iPhone, and my windows laptop. There are conflicting reports whether 
>>>>> voiceover or jaws on the window side can be heard while you are attending 
>>>>> eight zoom meeting. Some people have told me headphones wipes out 
>>>>> voiceover and some disagree. One I’m not very familiar with the keyboard 
>>>>> commands for any of the devices, if I were to turn voiceover off and use 
>>>>> keyboard shortcut keys for an muting myself, muting myself, allowing my 
>>>>> video or not allowing my video, raising my hand, and sending messages 
>>>>> would that work? Of course another way that logic says will work is to 
>>>>> mute my microphone press the key command that I want for example raise 
>>>>> hand, or type a message, and then unmute myself. If any of this makes 
>>>>> sense can anybody send me a zoom shortcut commands that I can use. The 
>>>>> meeting I have to attend is tomorrow is there a test meeting that you can 
>>>>> do by yourself to see how t

How to send a link to my iMac without email

[FIOGKOS]

Hi everybody, I have my zoom meeting tonight and I have been sent a link for 
the meeting as well as a Calendar file.
I have email on my iPhone but have not set up email on my iMac. I would like to 
attempt to use my iMac tonight for the zoom meeting. Any ideas of how I can 
send this link to my iMac?
I appreciate all the help I can get
Zoe

God the father chose her
God the sun dwelt in her
God the spirit overshadowed her
Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
Twitter
@FiogkosZoe

Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
he's late


> On Nov 30, 2020, at 10:38 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> To raise your hand on a Mac is Option + Y..  On Windows, it is ALT + Y..
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Nov 30, 2020, at 20:57, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> Thank you very much Herbie, this helps very much. I did test out zoom on the 
> iPhone with a friend and I could not hear his voice over or he could not hear 
> mine. So it looks like problem solved at least on the iPhone I will try it 
> also on the Mac and windows when I have a chance. I have a feeling that all 
> is OK. Do you know the key command for raising your hand on both the Mac and 
> windows? Thank you for all your help.
> Regards Zoe
> 
> 
> God the father chose her
> God the sun dwelt in her
> God the spirit overshadowed her
> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
> Twitter
> @FiogkosZoe
> 
> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
> he's late
> 
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 2:42 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> The respective screen readers are good about giving commands when you tab 
>> to an action. For instance, Command shift A for muting and unmuting on Mac, 
>> Alt A for Windows. As for Screen Readers, headphones is the best way to go 
>> if on a computer, but the phone is fine provided you don’t have the original 
>> sound turned on. If you are wanting to share your jaws or Vo on the computer 
>> this can be done via the screen sharing and checking the audio option.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 13:08, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everybody, I really really need help. I got zoom installed on my Mac, my 
>>> iPhone, and my windows laptop. There are conflicting reports whether 
>>> voiceover or jaws on the window side can be heard while you are attending 
>>> eight zoom meeting. Some people have told me headphones wipes out voiceover 
>>> and some disagree. One I’m not very familiar with the keyboard commands for 
>>> any of the devices, if I were to turn voiceover off and use keyboard 
>>> shortcut keys for an muting myself, muting myself, allowing my video or not 
>>> allowing my video, raising my hand, and sending messages would that work? 
>>> Of course another way that logic says will work is to mute my microphone 
>>> press the key command that I want for example raise hand, or type a 
>>> message, and then unmute myself. If any of this makes sense can anybody 
>>> send me a zoom shortcut commands that I can use. The meeting I have to 
>>> attend is tomorrow is there a test meeting that you can do by yourself to 
>>> see how things work
>>> Thank you for any help in advance.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> God the father chose her
>>> God the sun dwelt in her
>>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>>> Twitter
>>> @FiogkosZoe
>>> 
>>> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel 
>>> when he's late
>>> 
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Re: How do I get to a notification?

[FIOGKOS]

Worked like a charm, thanks again for saving my tutti-frutti behind, LOL.

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> On Nov 30, 2020, at 10:26 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Try pressing VO + F1 twice, then down arrow to System dialog, then press the 
> Enter key.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Nov 30, 2020, at 19:22, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody, I have a feeling this is a simple question for all of you that 
> are so used to using the Mac but for me who I am a beginner with daily brain 
> fog I do not know how to do this. I have very little vision and I can see 
> some contrast. I have a 27 inch late 2013 iMac and in the middle of the 
> screen I can see that there is a notification there. I must have missed it 
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> get to this notification?
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Re: Desperate for help with zoom

[FIOGKOS]

Thank you very much, I found it, I tried out the earbuds and they work just 
fine. Of course I did not try them with zoom but as soon as I have the meeting 
I will do so. I’m sure everything will work out just fantastically


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> On Nov 30, 2020, at 10:24 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> On my wife’s 2015 iMac, the 3.5 mm headphone jack is on the back of the 
> screen, located near the SD card slot.  Far right hand corner of the back 
> when facing the screen.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Nov 30, 2020, at 18:46, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> Hi there, I have a late 2013 iMac and an 8+ iPhone. It has the little 
> lightning adaptor that I can detach from the earbuds. The earbuds work on my 
> windows laptop so I’m sure they will work on my iMac when I find where the 
> jack is.
> 
> 
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> 
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> he's late
> 
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 7:41 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> The headphones that come with a inPhone depend on which iPhone you have. 
>> Newer inPhIphones come with a headphones that have a lightning connector and 
>> no computer has a lightning socket. 
>> Most imacs have a 3.5 jack that will work with older iPhone deadphones. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 6:17 PM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Brad, I don’t have headphones the only thing I have is the ear buds 
>>> that come with the iPhone. Will those work on my iMac? Or Windows laptop? 
>>> And when I wear them for example even on the iPhone will the other 
>>> participants not be able to hear the screen reader?
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 4:09 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> You should always use headphones Or a headset when using zoom. That will 
>>>> take care of all your screen reader issues.
>>>> 
>>>> - Brad -
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 13:09, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi everybody, I really really need help. I got zoom installed on my Mac, 
>>>> my iPhone, and my windows laptop. There are conflicting reports whether 
>>>> voiceover or jaws on the window side can be heard while you are attending 
>>>> eight zoom meeting. Some people have told me headphones wipes out 
>>>> voiceover and some disagree. One I’m not very familiar with the keyboard 
>>>> commands for any of the devices, if I were to turn voiceover off and use 
>>>> keyboard shortcut keys for an muting myself, muting myself, allowing my 
>>>> video or not allowing my video, raising my hand, and sending messages 
>>>> would that work? Of course another way that logic says will work is to 
>>>> mute my microphone press the key command that I want for example raise 
>>>> hand, or type a message, and then unmute myself. If any of this makes 
>>>> sense can anybody send me a zoom shortcut commands that I can use. The 
>>>> meeting I have to attend is tomorrow is there a test meeting that you can 
>>>> do by yourself to see how things work
>>>> Thank you for any help in advance.
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> God the sun dwelt in her
>>>> God the spirit overshadowed her
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>>>> Twitter
>>>> @FiogkosZoe
>>>> 
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Re: Desperate for help with zoom

[FIOGKOS]

1000 times thank you. These small bits and pieces of help are so important to 
all of us. I thank the good Lord that there are people out there like yourself 
Brad and others who have answered my messages that are so helpful. These little 
bits of pieces of help make our daily tasks easier to accomplish.
Thank you to all of you for everything you do.
Regards Zoe


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> On Nov 30, 2020, at 10:38 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> To raise your hand on a Mac is Option + Y..  On Windows, it is ALT + Y..
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Nov 30, 2020, at 20:57, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> Thank you very much Herbie, this helps very much. I did test out zoom on the 
> iPhone with a friend and I could not hear his voice over or he could not hear 
> mine. So it looks like problem solved at least on the iPhone I will try it 
> also on the Mac and windows when I have a chance. I have a feeling that all 
> is OK. Do you know the key command for raising your hand on both the Mac and 
> windows? Thank you for all your help.
> Regards Zoe
> 
> 
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> God the sun dwelt in her
> God the spirit overshadowed her
> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
> Twitter
> @FiogkosZoe
> 
> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
> he's late
> 
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 2:42 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> The respective screen readers are good about giving commands when you tab 
>> to an action. For instance, Command shift A for muting and unmuting on Mac, 
>> Alt A for Windows. As for Screen Readers, headphones is the best way to go 
>> if on a computer, but the phone is fine provided you don’t have the original 
>> sound turned on. If you are wanting to share your jaws or Vo on the computer 
>> this can be done via the screen sharing and checking the audio option.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 13:08, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everybody, I really really need help. I got zoom installed on my Mac, my 
>>> iPhone, and my windows laptop. There are conflicting reports whether 
>>> voiceover or jaws on the window side can be heard while you are attending 
>>> eight zoom meeting. Some people have told me headphones wipes out voiceover 
>>> and some disagree. One I’m not very familiar with the keyboard commands for 
>>> any of the devices, if I were to turn voiceover off and use keyboard 
>>> shortcut keys for an muting myself, muting myself, allowing my video or not 
>>> allowing my video, raising my hand, and sending messages would that work? 
>>> Of course another way that logic says will work is to mute my microphone 
>>> press the key command that I want for example raise hand, or type a 
>>> message, and then unmute myself. If any of this makes sense can anybody 
>>> send me a zoom shortcut commands that I can use. The meeting I have to 
>>> attend is tomorrow is there a test meeting that you can do by yourself to 
>>> see how things work
>>> Thank you for any help in advance.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> God the father chose her
>>> God the sun dwelt in her
>>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>>> Twitter
>>> @FiogkosZoe
>>> 
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>>> when he's late
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Re: Desperate for help with zoom

[FIOGKOS]

Thank you very much Herbie, this helps very much. I did test out zoom on the 
iPhone with a friend and I could not hear his voice over or he could not hear 
mine. So it looks like problem solved at least on the iPhone I will try it also 
on the Mac and windows when I have a chance. I have a feeling that all is OK. 
Do you know the key command for raising your hand on both the Mac and windows? 
Thank you for all your help.
Regards Zoe


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> On Nov 30, 2020, at 2:42 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> The respective screen readers are good about giving commands when you tab to 
> an action. For instance, Command shift A for muting and unmuting on Mac, Alt 
> A for Windows. As for Screen Readers, headphones is the best way to go if on 
> a computer, but the phone is fine provided you don’t have the original sound 
> turned on. If you are wanting to share your jaws or Vo on the computer this 
> can be done via the screen sharing and checking the audio option.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 13:08, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everybody, I really really need help. I got zoom installed on my Mac, my 
>> iPhone, and my windows laptop. There are conflicting reports whether 
>> voiceover or jaws on the window side can be heard while you are attending 
>> eight zoom meeting. Some people have told me headphones wipes out voiceover 
>> and some disagree. One I’m not very familiar with the keyboard commands for 
>> any of the devices, if I were to turn voiceover off and use keyboard 
>> shortcut keys for an muting myself, muting myself, allowing my video or not 
>> allowing my video, raising my hand, and sending messages would that work? Of 
>> course another way that logic says will work is to mute my microphone press 
>> the key command that I want for example raise hand, or type a message, and 
>> then unmute myself. If any of this makes sense can anybody send me a zoom 
>> shortcut commands that I can use. The meeting I have to attend is tomorrow 
>> is there a test meeting that you can do by yourself to see how things work
>> Thank you for any help in advance.
>> 
>> 
>> God the father chose her
>> God the sun dwelt in her
>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>> Twitter
>> @FiogkosZoe
>> 
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>> he's late
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How do I get to a notification?

[FIOGKOS]

Hi everybody, I have a feeling this is a simple question for all of you that 
are so used to using the Mac but for me who I am a beginner with daily brain 
fog I do not know how to do this. I have very little vision and I can see some 
contrast. I have a 27 inch late 2013 iMac and in the middle of the screen I can 
see that there is a notification there. I must have missed it when it came up 
and now for the life of me I can’t seem to get to it so I can see what it is 
and what it says and of course dismiss it. Any ideas how to get to this 
notification?


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Re: Desperate for help with zoom

[FIOGKOS]

Hi there, I have a late 2013 iMac and an 8+ iPhone. It has the little lightning 
adaptor that I can detach from the earbuds. The earbuds work on my windows 
laptop so I’m sure they will work on my iMac when I find where the jack is.


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> On Nov 30, 2020, at 7:41 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> The headphones that come with a inPhone depend on which iPhone you have. 
> Newer inPhIphones come with a headphones that have a lightning connector and 
> no computer has a lightning socket. 
> Most imacs have a 3.5 jack that will work with older iPhone deadphones. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 6:17 PM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>> 
>> Hi Brad, I don’t have headphones the only thing I have is the ear buds that 
>> come with the iPhone. Will those work on my iMac? Or Windows laptop? And 
>> when I wear them for example even on the iPhone will the other participants 
>> not be able to hear the screen reader?
>> 
>> God the father chose her
>> God the sun dwelt in her
>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>> Twitter
>> @FiogkosZoe
>> 
>> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
>> he's late
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 4:09 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> You should always use headphones Or a headset when using zoom. That will 
>>> take care of all your screen reader issues.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 13:09, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everybody, I really really need help. I got zoom installed on my Mac, 
>>> my iPhone, and my windows laptop. There are conflicting reports whether 
>>> voiceover or jaws on the window side can be heard while you are attending 
>>> eight zoom meeting. Some people have told me headphones wipes out voiceover 
>>> and some disagree. One I’m not very familiar with the keyboard commands for 
>>> any of the devices, if I were to turn voiceover off and use keyboard 
>>> shortcut keys for an muting myself, muting myself, allowing my video or not 
>>> allowing my video, raising my hand, and sending messages would that work? 
>>> Of course another way that logic says will work is to mute my microphone 
>>> press the key command that I want for example raise hand, or type a 
>>> message, and then unmute myself. If any of this makes sense can anybody 
>>> send me a zoom shortcut commands that I can use. The meeting I have to 
>>> attend is tomorrow is there a test meeting that you can do by yourself to 
>>> see how things work
>>> Thank you for any help in advance.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> God the father chose her
>>> God the sun dwelt in her
>>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>>> Twitter
>>> @FiogkosZoe
>>> 
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Re: Desperate for help with zoom

[FIOGKOS]

No braille display here, that wouldn’t work for me then. Most people seem to 
agree that wearing headphones will prevent the other participants from hearing 
voiceover. So I think that if I use my earbuds I will be OK just need to figure 
out navigation now and if anybody can recommend some essential key commands 
that would be great.


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> On Nov 30, 2020, at 6:48 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I typically turn off speech and use the braille display exclusively while in 
> the meeting.
> 
> On 11/30/20 2:50 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> I just wear headphones. That way I can leave Voiceover on without disturbing 
>> the meeting.
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 1:08 PM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everybody, I really really need help. I got zoom installed on my Mac, my 
>>> iPhone, and my windows laptop. There are conflicting reports whether 
>>> voiceover or jaws on the window side can be heard while you are attending 
>>> eight zoom meeting. Some people have told me headphones wipes out voiceover 
>>> and some disagree. One I’m not very familiar with the keyboard commands for 
>>> any of the devices, if I were to turn voiceover off and use keyboard 
>>> shortcut keys for an muting myself, muting myself, allowing my video or not 
>>> allowing my video, raising my hand, and sending messages would that work? 
>>> Of course another way that logic says will work is to mute my microphone 
>>> press the key command that I want for example raise hand, or type a 
>>> message, and then unmute myself. If any of this makes sense can anybody 
>>> send me a zoom shortcut commands that I can use. The meeting I have to 
>>> attend is tomorrow is there a test meeting that you can do by yourself to 
>>> see how things work
>>> Thank you for any help in advance.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> God the father chose her
>>> God the sun dwelt in her
>>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>>> Twitter
>>> @FiogkosZoe
>>> 
>>> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel 
>>> when he's late
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Re: Desperate for help with zoom

[FIOGKOS]

Hi Brad, I don’t have headphones the only thing I have is the ear buds that 
come with the iPhone. Will those work on my iMac? Or Windows laptop? And when I 
wear them for example even on the iPhone will the other participants not be 
able to hear the screen reader?

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> On Nov 30, 2020, at 4:09 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> You should always use headphones Or a headset when using zoom. That will 
> take care of all your screen reader issues.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Nov 30, 2020, at 13:09, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody, I really really need help. I got zoom installed on my Mac, my 
> iPhone, and my windows laptop. There are conflicting reports whether 
> voiceover or jaws on the window side can be heard while you are attending 
> eight zoom meeting. Some people have told me headphones wipes out voiceover 
> and some disagree. One I’m not very familiar with the keyboard commands for 
> any of the devices, if I were to turn voiceover off and use keyboard shortcut 
> keys for an muting myself, muting myself, allowing my video or not allowing 
> my video, raising my hand, and sending messages would that work? Of course 
> another way that logic says will work is to mute my microphone press the key 
> command that I want for example raise hand, or type a message, and then 
> unmute myself. If any of this makes sense can anybody send me a zoom shortcut 
> commands that I can use. The meeting I have to attend is tomorrow is there a 
> test meeting that you can do by yourself to see how things work
> Thank you for any help in advance.
> 
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Desperate for help with zoom

[FIOGKOS]

Hi everybody, I really really need help. I got zoom installed on my Mac, my 
iPhone, and my windows laptop. There are conflicting reports whether voiceover 
or jaws on the window side can be heard while you are attending eight zoom 
meeting. Some people have told me headphones wipes out voiceover and some 
disagree. One I’m not very familiar with the keyboard commands for any of the 
devices, if I were to turn voiceover off and use keyboard shortcut keys for an 
muting myself, muting myself, allowing my video or not allowing my video, 
raising my hand, and sending messages would that work? Of course another way 
that logic says will work is to mute my microphone press the key command that I 
want for example raise hand, or type a message, and then unmute myself. If any 
of this makes sense can anybody send me a zoom shortcut commands that I can 
use. The meeting I have to attend is tomorrow is there a test meeting that you 
can do by yourself to see how things work
Thank you for any help in advance.


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Re: Assigning hot keys

[FIOGKOS]

Hi again Brad, as I said in my previous email today thank you very much for all 
your help. I did find the setting as you described. Using the trackpad to zoom 
with the control key is absolutely fantastic. I love it.
I did look a little bit in the colours for the medium gray that you mentioned 
you use but I did not find anything. So again when you have time I would love 
for you to help me with that.
Regards Zoe


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> On Nov 4, 2020, at 5:10 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Correction:  You do not go to Trackpad preferences to enable use of the 
> Control key with 2-finger gesture to increase or decrease magnification.
> This is done by going to System Preferences > Accessibility, and selecting 
> Zoom from the categories list.  Here you will not only find an option for 
> enabling use of the trackpad with 2-fingers for increasing magnification, but 
> another option for enabling keyboard commands for increasing and decreasing 
> magnification.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Nov 4, 2020, at 15:48, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> 1.  I also use invert colors on my Mac, and certainly understand what you are 
> experiencing when the desktop color is inverted and becomes extremely bright. 
>  I solve this by setting my desktop to a solid medium gray color, which looks 
> pretty much the same whether invert colors is on or off.  I don’t think this 
> desktop color is included in recent versions of the macOS, but i saved it 
> from an earlier version, and if you are interested, I can share it with you 
> and provide instructions on how to implement it.
> 
> 2.  A keyboard command already exist for decreasing the magnification level 
> on your Mac.  This keyboard command is Command + Option + Minus, which is the 
> key located immediately to the left of the Equals key, which you are already 
> using to increase the magnification level.
> 
> One thing you might want to do, is go to System Preferences > Keyboard, 
> select the Shortcuts tab.  Here you will find a table that will allow you to 
> enable or disable keyboard shortcuts that are pre-assigned by the macOS.  You 
> will want to select Accessibility from the categories table, and then go 
> through the list of accessibility options, and turn on the commands you wish 
> to use.
> Since you are already using the command to increase magnification, I will 
> assume this item is already selected.  You will want to make sure that the 
> item that allows using Command + Option + minus is selected as well.
> Please note, that VoiceOver may not speak the minus symbol, so this may cause 
> confusion when VoiceOver reads this option.
> 
> There is another option for increasing and decreasing magnification that 
> involves using the trackpad, if you have one.  This command is done by 
> holding down the Control key, and dragging 2-fingers up or down on the 
> trackpad.  You will need to go to System Preferences > Trackpad to make sure 
> this gesture is enabled.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Nov 4, 2020, at 13:36, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi everybody, hope somebody can help. I actually have two questions. Let’s 
> start with the first.
> I recently had a eyesight assessment and with help of glasses I am able to 
> make out some contrast. What works the best, and is most comfortable for my 
> eyes, is viewing white text on a black background.
> I checked the box for invert colors, and like magic when I open up for 
> example text edit the background is black with white text, the problem is 
> that the desktop is white and is blinding me. I understand I can go into 
> system preferences, display and screensaver, and there I can choose a color. 
> I’m not sure if this will work but can anybody tell me an easy way to choose 
> a colour for my desktop, for example I am thinking if I choose a white 
> background the invert will make it black. Any suggestions. Or does anybody 
> have a magic solution to switch the whole entire Mac to white on black?
> My second question has to do with my subject line. I am trying to zoom 
> windows and texts on my Mac. The zoom is not very comfortable because it 
> zooms the whole entire screen instead of just the text. I am still trying to 
> learn this and play with it and figure something out. My problem is this when 
> I go into the settings I am given the hot key to zoom in which is option 
> command equals I am also given another hockey to zoom out but voiceover says 
> not assigned and it’s not really working. Can anybody walk me through 
> assigni

Re: Assigning hot keys

[FIOGKOS]

Hi Brad,
Hope you are well. Thank you very much for your reply. Firstly I successfully 
switched my desktop colour to white and the invert did make it black. However I 
am interested in the medium gray that you suggest so that maybe I can 
distinguish the windows better from the desktop. So yes, whenever you have time 
let me know how to do this.
Secondly yes I do have a trackpad and will try out your suggestion for zooming. 
I did not have enough time yesterday to play with this. Thirdly I think this is 
where the confusion is coming from. When I hear the hot keys for zooming in and 
out voiceover says not assigned and also does not mention the minus key. 
However again I will try to play with this and see what happens.
Right now I think your suggestions will help me and everything will be set as 
desired. I think eventually I still need to learn how to assign hotkeys. Anyhow 
I am so grateful for your help.
Zoe

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> On Nov 4, 2020, at 4:49 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> 1.  I also use invert colors on my Mac, and certainly understand what you 
> are experiencing when the desktop color is inverted and becomes extremely 
> bright.  I solve this by setting my desktop to a solid medium gray color, 
> which looks pretty much the same whether invert colors is on or off.  I don’t 
> think this desktop color is included in recent versions of the macOS, but i 
> saved it from an earlier version, and if you are interested, I can share it 
> with you and provide instructions on how to implement it.
> 
> 2.  A keyboard command already exist for decreasing the magnification level 
> on your Mac.  This keyboard command is Command + Option + Minus, which is the 
> key located immediately to the left of the Equals key, which you are already 
> using to increase the magnification level.
> 
> One thing you might want to do, is go to System Preferences > Keyboard, 
> select the Shortcuts tab.  Here you will find a table that will allow you to 
> enable or disable keyboard shortcuts that are pre-assigned by the macOS.  You 
> will want to select Accessibility from the categories table, and then go 
> through the list of accessibility options, and turn on the commands you wish 
> to use.
> Since you are already using the command to increase magnification, I will 
> assume this item is already selected.  You will want to make sure that the 
> item that allows using Command + Option + minus is selected as well.
> Please note, that VoiceOver may not speak the minus symbol, so this may cause 
> confusion when VoiceOver reads this option.
> 
> There is another option for increasing and decreasing magnification that 
> involves using the trackpad, if you have one.  This command is done by 
> holding down the Control key, and dragging 2-fingers up or down on the 
> trackpad.  You will need to go to System Preferences > Trackpad to make sure 
> this gesture is enabled.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Nov 4, 2020, at 13:36, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi everybody, hope somebody can help. I actually have two questions. Let’s 
> start with the first.
> I recently had a eyesight assessment and with help of glasses I am able to 
> make out some contrast. What works the best, and is most comfortable for my 
> eyes, is viewing white text on a black background.
> I checked the box for invert colors, and like magic when I open up for 
> example text edit the background is black with white text, the problem is 
> that the desktop is white and is blinding me. I understand I can go into 
> system preferences, display and screensaver, and there I can choose a color. 
> I’m not sure if this will work but can anybody tell me an easy way to choose 
> a colour for my desktop, for example I am thinking if I choose a white 
> background the invert will make it black. Any suggestions. Or does anybody 
> have a magic solution to switch the whole entire Mac to white on black?
> My second question has to do with my subject line. I am trying to zoom 
> windows and texts on my Mac. The zoom is not very comfortable because it 
> zooms the whole entire screen instead of just the text. I am still trying to 
> learn this and play with it and figure something out. My problem is this when 
> I go into the settings I am given the hot key to zoom in which is option 
> command equals I am also given another hockey to zoom out but voiceover says 
> not assigned and it’s not really working. Can anybody walk me through 
> assigning a hotkey for a task, in this case zoom out. I would really 
> appreciate any help.
> Regards 

Assigning hot keys

[FIOGKOS]

Hi everybody, hope somebody can help. I actually have two questions. Let’s 
start with the first.
I recently had a eyesight assessment and with help of glasses I am able to make 
out some contrast. What works the best, and is most comfortable for my eyes, is 
viewing white text on a black background.
I checked the box for invert colors, and like magic when I open up for example 
text edit the background is black with white text, the problem is that the 
desktop is white and is blinding me. I understand I can go into system 
preferences, display and screensaver, and there I can choose a color. I’m not 
sure if this will work but can anybody tell me an easy way to choose a colour 
for my desktop, for example I am thinking if I choose a white background the 
invert will make it black. Any suggestions. Or does anybody have a magic 
solution to switch the whole entire Mac to white on black?
My second question has to do with my subject line. I am trying to zoom windows 
and texts on my Mac. The zoom is not very comfortable because it zooms the 
whole entire screen instead of just the text. I am still trying to learn this 
and play with it and figure something out. My problem is this when I go into 
the settings I am given the hot key to zoom in which is option command equals I 
am also given another hockey to zoom out but voiceover says not assigned and 
it’s not really working. Can anybody walk me through assigning a hotkey for a 
task, in this case zoom out. I would really appreciate any help.
Regards Zoe


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Re: Plain text documents

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Hi Karen, not exactly, what do I mean, well I type in iCloud and the thing that 
pops up is cloud sync something. It doesn’t say iCloud it says just cloud I did 
click on it and it looks like it’s for one drive so obviously that’s not what 
I’m looking for thank you anyway.


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> On Jul 22, 2020, at 2:37 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Zoe,
> I am sorry this is so frustrating.
> You mentioned finding an icloud sync option  on your Windows  laptop. What 
> happens when this is  explored?
> I have never been a windows user, but wonder if there is a way to get details 
> on an app before running?
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2020, FIOGKOS wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim I did that, many times, I even had my husband do it who is cited it 
>> does say install and open we click that and nothing happens
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>>>> On Jul 22, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Tim M  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Go back into the Microsoft store and search for iCloud again. Once you 
>>> found it tab and see if there is not a install button. Sometimes you have t 
>>> tab and click it twice to get it.
>>> Tim M
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 22, 2020, at 11:38 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> That sounds like something for Microsoft support, unfortunately. Even if 
>>>> you own it, you should be able to re-download it. You might try googling, 
>>>> Microsoft store gives message that app is already owned" or something like 
>>>> that, and see what you can find.
>>>> 
>>>> About the only other thing I can think of to suggest is that you use the 
>>>> Windows key to search for iCloud setup.exe.
>>>> Good luck!
>>>> Best,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 22, 2020, at 10:32 AM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi again Donna thank you so much for trying to help. This is the strange 
>>>>> issue I am running windows 10 not an earlier version. None of this makes 
>>>>> any sense I already tried downloading iCloud for windows and Microsoft 
>>>>> store tells me I own the app but as I said before I can’t find it 
>>>>> anywhere.
>>>>> 
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>>>>> when he's late
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Re: Plain text documents

[FIOGKOS]

Hi Tim I did that, many times, I even had my husband do it who is cited it does 
say install and open we click that and nothing happens


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> On Jul 22, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Tim M  wrote:
> 
> Go back into the Microsoft store and search for iCloud again. Once you found 
> it tab and see if there is not a install button. Sometimes you have t tab and 
> click it twice to get it.
> Tim M
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 22, 2020, at 11:38 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> That sounds like something for Microsoft support, unfortunately. Even if you 
>> own it, you should be able to re-download it. You might try googling, 
>> Microsoft store gives message that app is already owned" or something like 
>> that, and see what you can find.
>> 
>> About the only other thing I can think of to suggest is that you use the 
>> Windows key to search for iCloud setup.exe. 
>> Good luck!
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jul 22, 2020, at 10:32 AM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi again Donna thank you so much for trying to help. This is the strange 
>>> issue I am running windows 10 not an earlier version. None of this makes 
>>> any sense I already tried downloading iCloud for windows and Microsoft 
>>> store tells me I own the app but as I said before I can’t find it anywhere.
>>> 
>>> Twitter
>>> @FiogkosZoe
>>> 
>>> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel 
>>> when he's late
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Plain text documents

[FIOGKOS]

Hi again Donna thank you so much for trying to help. This is the strange issue 
I am running windows 10 not an earlier version. None of this makes any sense I 
already tried downloading iCloud for windows and Microsoft store tells me I own 
the app but as I said before I can’t find it anywhere.

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> On Jul 22, 2020, at 11:25 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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Re: Plain text documents

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Hi Donna, yes I already tried all of that. It doesn’t show up on my desktop, 
taskbar, or anywhere for that matter. I did type a search in the start menu and 
the only thing that comes up is iCloud sync and nothing else do you think 
that’s what I am looking for?

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> On Jul 22, 2020, at 10:45 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Zoe,
> 
> We’re talking about iCloud, so at least to my thinking we’re still on topic.
> 
> ICloud on my PC shows up on my desktop, and behaves just like an additional 
> folder. It sometimes takes my PC a little longer to sync than it does my Mac, 
> but I am able to view and work with my files from Mac, IOS, and Pc.
> 
> Since you’ve gotten a message that you have already downloaded iCloud, I’m 
> wondering if you don’t have it set up to appear on your desktop. Try pressing 
> the Search key, and typing iCloud. If that brings up your iCloud drive, try 
> using the applications key to have it show on your desktop.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jul 22, 2020, at 9:38 AM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everybody at Donna I have signed in Devon know it’s not in the tray or 
>> in the notification whatchamacallit thing I’m a little worried that we’re 
>> getting off topic for this list because we’re talking about windows so if 
>> anybody has any other ideas and can email me privately that would be great 
>> however I was just told that to iCloud on windows isn’t accessible with the 
>> screen readers not that I do not believe that but I’m curious how you Dona 
>> are using it if it’s not accessible to us
>> 
>> Twitter
>> @FiogkosZoe
>> 
>> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
>> he's late
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Jul 22, 2020, at 10:29 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Isn’t it supposed to be in the system tray? If it’s not in the normal one, 
>>> try pressing the notification chevron button or whatever that’s called, I’m 
>>> sorry I’m not on my PC right now but it’s the first button you land on when 
>>> you press Windows + B.
>>> Devin Prater
>>> d.pra...@me.com
>>> Https://devinprater.github.io
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 22, 2020, at 9:25 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Zoe,
>>>> 
>>>> It sounds like your PC may not be signed in to iCloud. Go to icloud.com 
>>>> and try signing in. Once you’re signed in, make sure files is enabled. 
>>>> Sorry not to be more specific, but it’s been a while since I set that up, 
>>>> and I don’t remember  exactly how it worked.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2020, at 8:22 AM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Donna and all thank you very much for your help and suggestions. What 
>>>>> seems to work for me is iCloud and text edit is good enough for what I 
>>>>> need to do. I actually don’t need these notes in the notes app since with 
>>>>> iCloud and text edit I can actually view them on my iPhone in the files 
>>>>> app which is wonderful because all I had to do was copy my whole entire 
>>>>> folder on my Mac and put it in iCloud and so I pasted it and boom there 
>>>>> it was on my iPhone which is great. I realize this is a Mac users list 
>>>>> but just to mention if anybody knows and can email me privately I do also 
>>>>> need these files on my windows laptop as I update them every so often I 
>>>>> did try finding iCloud for windows but it it tells me to download from 
>>>>> the Microsoft store and the store tells me I already on the app but I 
>>>>> can’t find it anywhere on my PC I spent the whole day looking so I may 
>>>>> have to update these manually on my windows unless somebody can privately 
>>>>> help me find iCloud on my Windows laptop
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Twitter
>>>>> @FiogkosZoe
>>>>> 
>>>>> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel 
>>>>> when he's late
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 21, 2020, at 4:25 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>

Re: Plain text documents

[FIOGKOS]

Hi everybody at Donna I have signed in Devon know it’s not in the tray or in 
the notification whatchamacallit thing I’m a little worried that we’re getting 
off topic for this list because we’re talking about windows so if anybody has 
any other ideas and can email me privately that would be great however I was 
just told that to iCloud on windows isn’t accessible with the screen readers 
not that I do not believe that but I’m curious how you Dona are using it if 
it’s not accessible to us

Twitter
@FiogkosZoe

Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
he's late


> On Jul 22, 2020, at 10:29 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Isn’t it supposed to be in the system tray? If it’s not in the normal one, 
> try pressing the notification chevron button or whatever that’s called, I’m 
> sorry I’m not on my PC right now but it’s the first button you land on when 
> you press Windows + B.
> Devin Prater
> d.pra...@me.com
> Https://devinprater.github.io
> 
>> On Jul 22, 2020, at 9:25 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Zoe,
>> 
>> It sounds like your PC may not be signed in to iCloud. Go to icloud.com and 
>> try signing in. Once you’re signed in, make sure files is enabled. Sorry not 
>> to be more specific, but it’s been a while since I set that up, and I don’t 
>> remember  exactly how it worked.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>>> On Jul 22, 2020, at 8:22 AM, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna and all thank you very much for your help and suggestions. What 
>>> seems to work for me is iCloud and text edit is good enough for what I need 
>>> to do. I actually don’t need these notes in the notes app since with iCloud 
>>> and text edit I can actually view them on my iPhone in the files app which 
>>> is wonderful because all I had to do was copy my whole entire folder on my 
>>> Mac and put it in iCloud and so I pasted it and boom there it was on my 
>>> iPhone which is great. I realize this is a Mac users list but just to 
>>> mention if anybody knows and can email me privately I do also need these 
>>> files on my windows laptop as I update them every so often I did try 
>>> finding iCloud for windows but it it tells me to download from the 
>>> Microsoft store and the store tells me I already on the app but I can’t 
>>> find it anywhere on my PC I spent the whole day looking so I may have to 
>>> update these manually on my windows unless somebody can privately help me 
>>> find iCloud on my Windows laptop
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Twitter
>>> @FiogkosZoe
>>> 
>>> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel 
>>> when he's late
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 21, 2020, at 4:25 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> One more thing. You can obviously do this same thing with other backup 
>>>> and storage options such as Dropbox, GoogleDrive, or maybe OneDrive. I use 
>>>> iCloud, and I find syncing to be pretty seamless. I can't speak for the 
>>>> other options, but I imagine someone on the list can.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 21, 2020, at 3:15 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Zoe,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Welcome back! So glad to hear that you are doing better!
>>>>> 
>>>>> I certainly don't have Tim's expertise, but I'll try and answer your 
>>>>> question.
>>>>> 
>>>>> First, is there some reason that you need them in the notes app? If not, 
>>>>> you could simply store the folder in iCloud. From there, you could access 
>>>>> it from your mac, your phone, and your Windows laptop. If you Google 
>>>>> iCloud for PC, you'll be able to download a version of iCloud for 
>>>>> windows. Once that's installed, the only thing you would need to do is 
>>>>> install an app that supports plain text on your phone. There is one 
>>>>> called Text Editor that is easy to use and should do the trick. 
>>>>> Alternatively, if you happen to have a subscription to Office 365, you 
>>>>> could install that on your Mac and your phone and use Word.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you do want to have them in Notes for some reason, then yes, I believe 
>>>>> the on

Re: Plain text documents

[FIOGKOS]

Hi Donna and all thank you very much for your help and suggestions. What seems 
to work for me is iCloud and text edit is good enough for what I need to do. I 
actually don’t need these notes in the notes app since with iCloud and text 
edit I can actually view them on my iPhone in the files app which is wonderful 
because all I had to do was copy my whole entire folder on my Mac and put it in 
iCloud and so I pasted it and boom there it was on my iPhone which is great. I 
realize this is a Mac users list but just to mention if anybody knows and can 
email me privately I do also need these files on my windows laptop as I update 
them every so often I did try finding iCloud for windows but it it tells me to 
download from the Microsoft store and the store tells me I already on the app 
but I can’t find it anywhere on my PC I spent the whole day looking so I may 
have to update these manually on my windows unless somebody can privately help 
me find iCloud on my Windows laptop


Twitter
@FiogkosZoe

Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
he's late


> On Jul 21, 2020, at 4:25 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> One more thing. You can obviously do this same thing with other backup and 
> storage options such as Dropbox, GoogleDrive, or maybe OneDrive. I use 
> iCloud, and I find syncing to be pretty seamless. I can't speak for the other 
> options, but I imagine someone on the list can.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jul 21, 2020, at 3:15 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Zoe,
>> 
>> Welcome back! So glad to hear that you are doing better!
>> 
>> I certainly don't have Tim's expertise, but I'll try and answer your 
>> question.
>> 
>> First, is there some reason that you need them in the notes app? If not, you 
>> could simply store the folder in iCloud. From there, you could access it 
>> from your mac, your phone, and your Windows laptop. If you Google iCloud for 
>> PC, you'll be able to download a version of iCloud for windows. Once that's 
>> installed, the only thing you would need to do is install an app that 
>> supports plain text on your phone. There is one called Text Editor that is 
>> easy to use and should do the trick. Alternatively, if you happen to have a 
>> subscription to Office 365, you could install that on your Mac and your 
>> phone and use Word.
>> 
>> If you do want to have them in Notes for some reason, then yes, I believe 
>> the only way to accomplish that would be to open a new note for each file, 
>> and then cut and paste the text.
>> 
>> I hope this helps.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Jul 21, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Zoe!
>>> I am sosososo happy to learn you are fully recovered.
>>> its  a shame Tim has left the list, this sounds like an easy task, but 
>>> unfortunately I do not have an answer for you.
>>> Sending Balloons  of welcome to you and your family though!
>>> Kare in Toronto.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, 21 Jul 2020, FIOGKOS wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Good morning everybody, I hope everybody is doing well. Before I get to my 
>>>> question some of you may remember me from approximately three years ago. 
>>>> My name is zoe and I live in Toronto Ontario Canada. Due to a strange 
>>>> illness I had to leave the list but now I am back. I am fully healed and 
>>>> ready to go. I am still a Mac newbie user for obvious reasons I wasn’t 
>>>> able to progress with my learning. I seem to be doing well now and 
>>>> progressing slowly. I understand the concept of disclosure triangles, 
>>>> navigating menus, navigating the dock and the desktop, etc. of course I 
>>>> may still have a few tiny questions about these things but in general I am 
>>>> doing OK. Google is my friend and I have found a lot of answers on Google. 
>>>> It’s not always easy to find answers on Google win you search a question 
>>>> adding the phrase using voice over.
>>>> obviously there are lots of people who belong to many lists and may have 
>>>> seen some of my messages on other lists as well. I apologize to those who 
>>>> may be seeing the same question posted on another list.
>>>> Let me explain my question. I am still using a Windows laptop as well. I 
>>>> have very important text documents on my windows that I have backed up to 
>>>> a portable USB stick. I inserted the USB stick into my Mac and to my 
>>>> delight I was

Plain text documents

[FIOGKOS]

Good morning everybody, I hope everybody is doing well. Before I get to my 
question some of you may remember me from approximately three years ago. My 
name is zoe and I live in Toronto Ontario Canada. Due to a strange illness I 
had to leave the list but now I am back. I am fully healed and ready to go. I 
am still a Mac newbie user for obvious reasons I wasn’t able to progress with 
my learning. I seem to be doing well now and progressing slowly. I understand 
the concept of disclosure triangles, navigating menus, navigating the dock and 
the desktop, etc. of course I may still have a few tiny questions about these 
things but in general I am doing OK. Google is my friend and I have found a lot 
of answers on Google. It’s not always easy to find answers on Google win you 
search a question adding the phrase using voice over.
obviously there are lots of people who belong to many lists and may have seen 
some of my messages on other lists as well. I apologize to those who may be 
seeing the same question posted on another list.
Let me explain my question. I am still using a Windows laptop as well. I have 
very important text documents on my windows that I have backed up to a portable 
USB stick. I inserted the USB stick into my Mac and to my delight I was able to 
view the files on the Mac and copy them and paste them into a new folder on my 
Mac. These documents need to be updated with information every so often. 
Meaning I need to have these documents as plain text documents on my Mac so 
that I can update them and update the info on the portable USB stick and the 
Windows laptop. Here’s where my question comes in. I also would like to sync 
these notes onto my iPhone. I realize that I cannot save these plain text 
documents or copy paste them into the notes App.
Do I need to manually open each plain text document copy the text open a new 
note on the Notes app and paste the text? Is there an easier way to copy these 
documents and convert them into the proper format so that I can paste them in 
my notes app? So I would like 2 copies of these notes on my Mac a folder with 
plain text documents and also to have them in my notes app so in essence my 
question is is there an easy way to do this or do I have to do it manually?
Thanks in advance for any help, I look forward to hearing from all of you.
Regards zoe


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thank you to all and now leaving

[zoe fiogkos]

Hi all I want to thank each and every one of you for your private and onlist 
messages. Thank you to the mods and owners for not scolding me for the off 
topic posts. However I have emposed and taken advantage of their kindness and 
understanding so it's time for me to unsubscribe and I hope they will remember 
my name and let me back in when I am well again.
For anyone who wishes to keep in contact with me this is my email address, so 
we don't clog up the list with my personal story.
fiog...@rogers.com

Again thank you to all and may the good Lord bless each and everyone of you.
Sincerely
Zoe


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: April 29, 2017 12:05 PM
To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: prayers and leaving this wonderful group for now

Hello Zoe.

I am so sorry for you and I sincerely hope you get better soon.

I am routing for you and hope you can return to these lists.

Keep strong.

Kawal.
> On 27 Apr 2017, at 22:01, zoe fiogkos <fiog...@rogers.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi fellow listers, moderators, and owners. Hope you are all doing ok.
> Unfortunately I have no choice, I have to unsubscribe from all the email
> groups I belong to. I haven't been able to check email and be online for a
> long time and it seems I will be out of things for much longer. When I
> turned on my laptop this morning I had over fifteen thousand emails waiting
> for me. Given my situation I just can't keep up anymore. I pray that one day
> I recover and are able to join my favourite groups again.  My family is
> against me telling people what's wrong but I feel in writing this email I'm
> also helping myself to come to grips with my illness. I will remain
> subscribed a few more days so that I may read your thoughts in hopes that
> your words might help me to continue to fight this awful illness.
> Again I'm sorry for the off topic post and I hope the moderators can find it
> in their hearts to forgive me, and if one day I recover I hope they will
> remember me and let me back in to my favourite mailing groups.
> Before I tell you all my story, I would like to thank each and every one of
> you for either your help on various topics, or your individual private help
> through the phone or private email, or your messages of getting to know me,
> or your words of encouragement when it came to the mac, jaws, NVDA, windows
> 10, household tips, cooking instructions, prayers, and harmless chit chat.
> If I offended anyone in anyway, or gave anyone a hard time please forgive
> me.
> Here's my unbelievable story.
> Last August I was doing a lot of gardening mostly weeding to be honest. I
> was on my hands and knees from morning to night pulling weeds and keeping my
> property clean. I am grateful to the good Lord for blessing me to have such
> a lovely property but it's old and no one ever took care of the garden. The
> result is weeds on top of my weeds. Chemicals are forbidden here in Canada,
> and I haven't been able to find an affordable solution, so I'm left with
> fighting weeds on a daily bases. I am a sun lover and adore summer, last
> summer was the first time in my life that I couldn't wait for summer to be
> over. I was exhausted and I have nothing to remember for my 2016 summer
> except pulling weeds all most every day for the whole entire spring, summer,
> and fall.
> In August I noticed 2 mosquito bites on my elbow and 2 on my inner left
> thigh. The bites were very itchy just like normal mosquito bites, so I
> didn't think anything of it. I also noticed my nails were black underneath.
> I thought it was dirt from the garden, to spite that I was showering every
> single day and cleaning my nails, the next morning they would be filthy
> again. Again I thought it strange but I justified it in my head as to much
> gardening. In August my husband and I visited a few local restaurants and
> spent two nights in a motel in north Ontario for a weekend away.
> I wanted to try my hand at building a small business doing something I love
> so I decided to start making my own bracelets and selling them online. I
> have always loved costume jewellery and to spite my vision problems, I have
> been taught that there is nothing I can't do. My mother always said "try and
> if you fail, oh well, life goes on. Try different things until you find
> something you are good at and you love doing." So I talked to my mom and
> husband and they both backed me as they always do. My mother who adores me
> spent over six thousand dollars to buy my supplies, and encouraged me on a
> daily bases. My husband turned half of my computer room into a work space
> with special lighting, magnifying contraptions, shelving, etc. My husband
> and m

prayers and leaving this wonderful group for now

[zoe fiogkos]

Hi fellow listers, moderators, and owners. Hope you are all doing ok.
Unfortunately I have no choice, I have to unsubscribe from all the email
groups I belong to. I haven't been able to check email and be online for a
long time and it seems I will be out of things for much longer. When I
turned on my laptop this morning I had over fifteen thousand emails waiting
for me. Given my situation I just can't keep up anymore. I pray that one day
I recover and are able to join my favourite groups again.  My family is
against me telling people what's wrong but I feel in writing this email I'm
also helping myself to come to grips with my illness. I will remain
subscribed a few more days so that I may read your thoughts in hopes that
your words might help me to continue to fight this awful illness.
Again I'm sorry for the off topic post and I hope the moderators can find it
in their hearts to forgive me, and if one day I recover I hope they will
remember me and let me back in to my favourite mailing groups.
Before I tell you all my story, I would like to thank each and every one of
you for either your help on various topics, or your individual private help
through the phone or private email, or your messages of getting to know me,
or your words of encouragement when it came to the mac, jaws, NVDA, windows
10, household tips, cooking instructions, prayers, and harmless chit chat.
If I offended anyone in anyway, or gave anyone a hard time please forgive
me.
Here's my unbelievable story.
Last August I was doing a lot of gardening mostly weeding to be honest. I
was on my hands and knees from morning to night pulling weeds and keeping my
property clean. I am grateful to the good Lord for blessing me to have such
a lovely property but it's old and no one ever took care of the garden. The
result is weeds on top of my weeds. Chemicals are forbidden here in Canada,
and I haven't been able to find an affordable solution, so I'm left with
fighting weeds on a daily bases. I am a sun lover and adore summer, last
summer was the first time in my life that I couldn't wait for summer to be
over. I was exhausted and I have nothing to remember for my 2016 summer
except pulling weeds all most every day for the whole entire spring, summer,
and fall.
In August I noticed 2 mosquito bites on my elbow and 2 on my inner left
thigh. The bites were very itchy just like normal mosquito bites, so I
didn't think anything of it. I also noticed my nails were black underneath.
I thought it was dirt from the garden, to spite that I was showering every
single day and cleaning my nails, the next morning they would be filthy
again. Again I thought it strange but I justified it in my head as to much
gardening. In August my husband and I visited a few local restaurants and
spent two nights in a motel in north Ontario for a weekend away.
I wanted to try my hand at building a small business doing something I love
so I decided to start making my own bracelets and selling them online. I
have always loved costume jewellery and to spite my vision problems, I have
been taught that there is nothing I can't do. My mother always said "try and
if you fail, oh well, life goes on. Try different things until you find
something you are good at and you love doing." So I talked to my mom and
husband and they both backed me as they always do. My mother who adores me
spent over six thousand dollars to buy my supplies, and encouraged me on a
daily bases. My husband turned half of my computer room into a work space
with special lighting, magnifying contraptions, shelving, etc. My husband
and mom bought me bins with dividers and I spent months sorting beads and
other supplies by color, size, and type. I got help from someone on one of
these mailing lists and he helped me to create labels to label all these
bins. Everything was going great, or so I thought.
I spent hours teaching myself how to make these beautiful bracelets, I
finally got the hang of it after much trial and error and I was ready to go.
I registered on etsy.com and opened up a Facebook small business page. I
bought more supplies to host a launching party with food, drinks, and gifts
for my guests to introduce them to my creations and my new business. While
all this was happening, I noticed in October that the mosquito bites were
not going away. They had become scabby and even more itchier.
I showed my mom and she justified it just like I had done in my mind. Due to
my type two diabetes they were taking a long time to heal as many things do
when you have diabetes.
At the beginning of November as some of you already know, I started to have
problems with my right eye. Long story short for those who don't know, I
suffer from a cornea disease. My cornea was trying to break. This had
happened before but this time it was persistent and my doctor had to try
different medications to stop the cornea from breaking. While I was battling
this cornea problem I noticed my right arm becoming very itchy and the two
mosquito bites 

is seller central on amazon accessible with the mac?

[zoe fiogkos]

Hi everyone, I decided I was tired of sitting on my but doing nothing, so to
speak. I garden and cook and lots of other things, but I wanted to do
something of my own. I love costume jewellery. I decided to try to make my
own beaded jewellery. My husband labled boxes with big printed lables and
built me shelves. My mom spent thousands of dollars to buy me supplies. Then
we spent weeks if not months separating charms, beads, and other supplies
into colors and sizes. Now all the containers are neatly labled and on
shelves. My husband created a work space for me with special lighting and
magnification. I spent months teaching my self how to make bracelets. I have
31 of my own designs with stock of each design. I opened up a business
email, I spent hours on my computer creating inventory pricing, photos of my
jewellery, etc. now the time came to finally sign up with amazon and start
selling. I must admit I tried with windows and jaws and I'm totally
frustrated. I haven't been able to find a contact number for amazon so I can
ask for help. I did fill out a contact us form for help but they haven't
gotten back to me. I've registerded successfully but I'm having a very hard
time listing my products.
Does anyone here in the blind community sell on amazon? Does anyone use the
mac to navigate the sellers central amazon website who can give me some tips
or tricks with voiceover?
Any feedback would be so appreciated. Forgive me for the long email, but I
really want to succeed at this venture and after so much work and money that
my family has spent it would be a shame not to succeed because voiceover or
jaws or accessiblility in general is a problem.
Hope to here from all of you with suggestions.
Regards
Zoe


by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus
said when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the
faith. So many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only
hope is that it won't be too late..  



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another questions about the lable making on the mac

[zoe fiogkos]

Sorry to Anne I deleted annes response by accident. Avery has a template you
can download for free, it's a word document. Could I convert this on the mac
to a pages format and use it to fill in the info and print my lables? If yes
how would I go about converting it?
Regards
Zoe


by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus
said when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the
faith. So many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only
hope is that it won't be too late..  



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lables compatible in pages?

[zoe fiogkos]

Hi guys when I was using windows exclusively and had a bit of sight, I had
bought blank shipping lables from a store called staples here in Toronto. I
use to use zoomtext and the screen was magnified and I use to fill out the
lables and print.
That box had 200 sheets of lables. Now I'm in a situation where I want to
use these lables to lable jars of homemade jam. Can I use these lables on
the mac? If yes are they accessible to fill out in pages with voiceover?
Again if yes where do I go to find the lable number in pages?
So in word you would go to the mailings tab and choose lable and from there
you would choose the number on the box avery 5163 and then a page would pop
up with the grid I would fill out the lables and print.
Any help please?
Regards
Zoe


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RE: text navigation help

[zoe fiogkos]

Thanks anne and all for helping me. 
Regards
Zoe

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when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the faith. So 
many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only hope is that 
it won’t be too late..  

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: August 18, 2016 6:15 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: text navigation help

Thanks for this Ann,

 It will come in handy.


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2016 5:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: text navigation help

Here is a full list of the commands:
Right one character - Right Arrow;

Left one character - Left Arrow;

Right one word - Option-Right Arrow;

Left one word - Option-Left Arrow;

Go to the end of the line - Cmd-Right Arrow;

Go to the beginning of the line - Cmd-Left Arrow;

Go to previous line - Up Arrow;

Go to next line - Down Arrow;

Go to the beginning of the paragraph - Option-Up Arrow;

Go to the end of the paragraph - Option-Down Arrow;

Go to the beginning of the document - Cmd-Up Arrow;

Go to the end of the document - Cmd-Down Arrow.

Add the Shift key to any of these commands to select the text.

Pressing the Return key signals the end of a paragraph, but you can use a line 
break (Ctrl-Return) to go to the next line while still in the same paragraph. 
In Pages, Cmd-FN-Return on a laptop, or Cmd-Enter on an extended keyboard, 
forces a page break.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 17 Aug 2016, at 18:53, Vaughn Brown <jazzdress...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Good question as I've been having trouble with this, too.
> Thanks everyone.
> Vaughn
> 
> On 8/16/16, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Left and right arrows to move character by character.  Make sure 
>> quick nav isn't on.
>> 
>> Option+left and right arrow, again be sure quick nav isn't on, to 
>> Option+move word
>> 
>> by word.  Up and down arrow, make sure quick nav isn't on, to move 
>> line by line.
>> ---
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>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "zoe fiogkos" <fiog...@rogers.com>
>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 4:32 PM
>> Subject: text navigation help
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi everybody, please help, while in text edit how do I move caricter 
>>> by caricter and word by word? I want to go through a document in an 
>>> other language and edit it. Also I want to visually see as I'm 
>>> moving what's in the curser. So as I hear voiceover and use the 
>>> keyboard I also want to see this visually.
>>> Any help please?
>>> Regards
>>> Zoe
>>> 
>>> 
>>> by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. 
>>> Jesus said when I return will I find the faith, not will I find 
>>> faith, but the faith. So many will be shocked when he comes again in 
>>> all his glory. My only hope is that it won't be too late..
>>> 
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text navigation help

[zoe fiogkos]

Hi everybody, please help, while in text edit how do I move caricter by
caricter and word by word? I want to go through a document in an other
language and edit it. Also I want to visually see as I'm moving what's in
the curser. So as I hear voiceover and use the keyboard I also want to see
this visually.
Any help please?
Regards
Zoe


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said when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the
faith. So many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only
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RE: help with get info please

[zoe fiogkos]

If I'm understanding what you are telling me, if I continue typing in lower 
case it will accept that even though it's not showing it\? I was hoping there 
would be an easy solution like a setting to turn off suggestions.
Thanks anyway, sounds like this will drive me crazy.
Regards
Zoe


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when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the faith. So 
many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only hope is that 
it won’t be too late..  


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: August 13, 2016 11:34 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: help with get info please

Hi,

In these cases, just keep typing what you want it to be Artist field in the 
manner you wish it to appear.  From then on, that will be one of the choices.  
If you don't want things like Michael Jackson to appear in all caps, you'll 
need to search for Michael Jackson in your Music Library and fix the instances 
of the all caps version.  This will make it so that it does not come up as a 
choice in the future.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 13, 2016, at 09:08, zoe fiogkos <fiog...@rogers.com> wrote:

Hi guys, something small but very annoying. I'm on a song in itunes and I
hit command I to go to the get info. I go to details, I interact, and I vo
right through the fields. When I come to the artist field and I start to
type it automatically brings up artists matching what I'm typing. That would
be ok accept I don't want to select from those artists. So to understand
better what I mean here's an example. I start to type Michael Jackson and of
course it matches that but the selection it's matching is in all caps and I
don't want it that way, but it won't let me select to type the name the way
I want it.
Maybe a better understanding and example is this.
I'm typing an artists name in Greek which needs to have an accent above a
certain letter, itunes is automatically bringing up suggestions but the one
that matches what I'm typing doesn't have the accent. I want to type it the
way I want not the way it's showing it but it won't let me.
I hope I haven't confused you guys too much.
Hope some one understood what I've described and can help.
Thanks again
Regards
Zoe

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said when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the
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help with get info please

[zoe fiogkos]

Hi guys, something small but very annoying. I'm on a song in itunes and I
hit command I to go to the get info. I go to details, I interact, and I vo
right through the fields. When I come to the artist field and I start to
type it automatically brings up artists matching what I'm typing. That would
be ok accept I don't want to select from those artists. So to understand
better what I mean here's an example. I start to type Michael Jackson and of
course it matches that but the selection it's matching is in all caps and I
don't want it that way, but it won't let me select to type the name the way
I want it.
Maybe a better understanding and example is this.
I'm typing an artists name in Greek which needs to have an accent above a
certain letter, itunes is automatically bringing up suggestions but the one
that matches what I'm typing doesn't have the accent. I want to type it the
way I want not the way it's showing it but it won't let me.
I hope I haven't confused you guys too much.
Hope some one understood what I've described and can help.
Thanks again
Regards
Zoe

by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus
said when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the
faith. So many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only
hope is that it won't be too late..  



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RE: accessible app recommendation needed please

[zoe fiogkos]

Lol, in 2 years I will be eligible for a free purchase of a computer, so 
hopefully by then I'll be confident enough in the mac. I'm thinking laptop this 
time around, at that point my distructive on computers husband can have the 
iMac.
Regards
Zoe


by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus said 
when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the faith. So 
many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only hope is that 
it won’t be too late..  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: August 13, 2016 5:27 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: accessible app recommendation needed please

Hey Zoe,

That wcouldn't be to bad, a new mac ?

 Oh that would be so nice,

I wonder where I can get me a girl that fits that role.y

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of zoe fiogkos
Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2016 11:07 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: accessible app recommendation needed please

Oh yeah good luck on that one. My hubby clicks a mouse and that's about it. No 
way I'm letting himn get on my Mac. If I do I'll need a new one in 6 weeks.
Zoe


by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus said 
when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the faith. So 
many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only hope is that 
it won’t be too late..  


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: August 12, 2016 6:40 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: accessible app recommendation needed please

Zoe,

 I fully understand, I've given up on my itunes library because it's just to 
much work,

Good luck with the sorting,

 And just a thought, why not tell hubby to do the hard yards and clean up the 
itunes library.

Just a thought.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of zoe fiogkos
Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2016 10:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: accessible app recommendation needed please

Hi simon that wouldn't work for me, only because my itunes folder is duplicate 
and tripled because when I made the move from windows something went wrong and 
now I have itunes folders within itunes folders. It's a mess but I'm not that 
advanced yet to even think of tackling that. The file in question needed to be 
converted so that I can transfer it to windows and then to a very old mp3 
player my husband uses. So think about it I would have to look through 
thousands of files to find the converted file.
Anyhow as you go through the mail you'll see that I was able to use an online 
converter to do the job.
Regards
Zoe


by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus said 
when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the faith. So 
many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only hope is that 
it won’t be too late..  


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: August 12, 2016 6:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: accessible app recommendation needed please

Hi zoe,

 Have you tried itunes, it will do this without issue.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of zoe fiogkos
Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2016 5:15 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: accessible app recommendation needed please

Hey everyone, what do you all recommend for converting a file on my mac from 
apple MPEG-4 audio to mp3?
Regards
Zoe

by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus said 
when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the faith. So 
many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only hope is that 
it won't be too late..  



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RE: accessible app recommendation needed please

[zoe fiogkos]

Oh yeah good luck on that one. My hubby clicks a mouse and that's about it. No 
way I'm letting himn get on my Mac. If I do I'll need a new one in 6 weeks.
Zoe


by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus said 
when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the faith. So 
many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only hope is that 
it won’t be too late..  


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: August 12, 2016 6:40 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: accessible app recommendation needed please

Zoe,

 I fully understand, I've given up on my itunes library because it's just to 
much work,

Good luck with the sorting,

 And just a thought, why not tell hubby to do the hard yards and clean up the 
itunes library.

Just a thought.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of zoe fiogkos
Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2016 10:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: accessible app recommendation needed please

Hi simon that wouldn't work for me, only because my itunes folder is duplicate 
and tripled because when I made the move from windows something went wrong and 
now I have itunes folders within itunes folders. It's a mess but I'm not that 
advanced yet to even think of tackling that. The file in question needed to be 
converted so that I can transfer it to windows and then to a very old mp3 
player my husband uses. So think about it I would have to look through 
thousands of files to find the converted file.
Anyhow as you go through the mail you'll see that I was able to use an online 
converter to do the job.
Regards
Zoe


by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus said 
when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the faith. So 
many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only hope is that 
it won’t be too late..  


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: August 12, 2016 6:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: accessible app recommendation needed please

Hi zoe,

 Have you tried itunes, it will do this without issue.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of zoe fiogkos
Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2016 5:15 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: accessible app recommendation needed please

Hey everyone, what do you all recommend for converting a file on my mac from 
apple MPEG-4 audio to mp3?
Regards
Zoe

by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus said 
when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the faith. So 
many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only hope is that 
it won't be too late..  



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RE: accessible app recommendation needed please

[zoe fiogkos]

Hi simon that wouldn't work for me, only because my itunes folder is duplicate 
and tripled because when I made the move from windows something went wrong and 
now I have itunes folders within itunes folders. It's a mess but I'm not that 
advanced yet to even think of tackling that. The file in question needed to be 
converted so that I can transfer it to windows and then to a very old mp3 
player my husband uses. So think about it I would have to look through 
thousands of files to find the converted file.
Anyhow as you go through the mail you'll see that I was able to use an online 
converter to do the job.
Regards
Zoe


by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus said 
when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the faith. So 
many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only hope is that 
it won’t be too late..  


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: August 12, 2016 6:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: accessible app recommendation needed please

Hi zoe,

 Have you tried itunes, it will do this without issue.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of zoe fiogkos
Sent: Saturday, 13 August 2016 5:15 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: accessible app recommendation needed please

Hey everyone, what do you all recommend for converting a file on my mac from 
apple MPEG-4 audio to mp3?
Regards
Zoe

by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus said 
when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the faith. So 
many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only hope is that 
it won't be too late..  



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RE: iTunes question

[zoe fiogkos]

Thank you so much tim for the step by step instructions, they worked like a 
charm. I have one more question for you. To rename a track do I use the get 
info? If yes, also to listen to a track to confirm who sings it and what song 
it is, how do I stop it to edit the info and move on to another song?
 
Regards
Zoe

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when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the faith. So 
many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only hope is that 
it won’t be too late..  


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: August 12, 2016 5:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes question

Hi,

When interacting with the Music table, press VO-shift-back slash to bring focus 
up to the Headers.  Navigate right or left until you find the Artist header.  
Press VO-cmd-shift-spacebar to lock the mouse down.  VO-left until you focus on 
the Song name, then press VO-cmd-shift-spacebar to toggle off the mouse-down 
lock.  Use VO-left/right to confirm things are in the correct order.  If they 
are, press VO-shift-back slash to get out of the Header area and back into your 
main list of songs.  You can also tell iTunes to sort according to these 
headers by pressing VO-shift-back slash to go up into the Header area, 
VO-left/right to find the column heading you wish things sorted by, press 
VO-space on that heading, then VO-shift-back slash to get out of the Header 
area.  Note that you can press VO-space in this situation multiple times, the 
first time will usually sort them ascending according to that header, and the 
second will sort them descending by that same header.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 12, 2016, at 15:31, zoe fiogkos <fiog...@rogers.com> wrote:

Hi guys,
Before I ask my question thank you all very much for helping me today with
my other inquiries.
In iTunes I go into my music and I interact with the table and I can go up
and down my list and view all my songs.
Is there anyway for itunes to show my music by artist first?  Right now I
see the title of each song first, and if I vo right arrow I hear the artists
name, is it possible to switch that around?
Thanks again so much.
Regards
Zoe


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iTunes question

[zoe fiogkos]

Hi guys,
Before I ask my question thank you all very much for helping me today with
my other inquiries.
In iTunes I go into my music and I interact with the table and I can go up
and down my list and view all my songs.
Is there anyway for itunes to show my music by artist first?  Right now I
see the title of each song first, and if I vo right arrow I hear the artists
name, is it possible to switch that around?
Thanks again so much.
Regards
Zoe


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said when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the
faith. So many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only
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address for online converter

[zoe fiogkos]

I some how figured it out.
The web site you go to is 
Media.io
Regards
Zoe


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RE: accessible app recommendation needed please

[zoe fiogkos]

That would be true but I’m not doing email on the mac quite yet. So I can open 
safari go to the web site but how do I go to the address bar and then read 
character by caricter to copy into my email reply on windows?
Regards
zoe
 
by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus said 
when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the faith. So 
many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only hope is that 
it won’t be too late..  
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: August 12, 2016 5:14 PM
To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: accessible app recommendation needed please
 
Well, you should be able to use shift and arrow keys to select then copy and 
paste into mail.
 
I looked a little more at the encode items and it uses an "automator" workflow, 
so if this is something you are doing on a regular basis, the automator 
workflow could be customized to not ask the user about location and just do 
things automatically. 
 
Also, if you open in Quicktime, you might be able to use the export functions, 
but they seemed a little limited. Also, Some people on this list swear that the 
Quicktime encoders are not as good as third party (or possibly open source) 
sound processing applications. Personally, I rarely use high quality sound 
output devices, so I can't tell the difference.
 
Best wishes,
 
Jonathan Cohn
 
 
On Aug 12, 2016, at 5:06 PM, zoe fiogkos <fiog...@rogers.com 
<mailto:fiog...@rogers.com> > wrote:
 
  Hi there I googled online converters for m4a to 
mp3 and it was the third or fourth result. It did the job and I saved the 
website to my favourites. I don’t know how to read the link so I can send it to 
you.  If you know how that’s done I would be happy to send you the link for the 
web site.
Regards
Zoe
 
 
by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus said 
when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the faith. So 
many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only hope is that 
it won’t be too late..  
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: August 12, 2016 4:00 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: accessible app recommendation needed please
 
Hi!
What was the name of the online converter.
/A
On 12 Aug 2016, at 20:25, zoe fiogkos <fiog...@rogers.com 
<mailto:fiog...@rogers.com> > wrote:
 
Hi chuck thank you so much, I should have stated that the only thing I didn’t 
want to use is iTunes. It’s not that I don’t like iTunes, but when I 
transferred from windows to the mac something went nuts with my iTunes library, 
so now I have thousands of files in my iTunes folder. So if I convert with 
iTunes I will need 3 days to find the file.
Anyhow I found an online converter that did the trick so now my voice memo is 
successfully in my itunes library and I have an mp3 version for my husband to 
listen to when he is out and about. My next step should be to fix my itunes 
library but right now it looks real scary lol. Thank you for your kindness in 
answering my question so quickly.
Regards
Zoe
 
 
by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus said 
when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the faith. So 
many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only hope is that 
it won’t be too late..  
 
From:  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[ <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
Sent: August 12, 2016 1:53 PM
To:  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: accessible app recommendation needed please
 
Hi zoe,
I use itunes to do this most of the time.
You just half to check your itunes import preferences and make sure its set to 
lets say mp3 in your case.
HTH
Chuck
 
 
CHUCK REICHEL
 <mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com
 <http://www.soundpicturerecording.com/> www.SoundPictureRecording.com
954-742-0019
Isaiah 26 : 3
 Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he 
trusteth in thee.
 
In GOD I Trust
 
On Aug 12, 2016, at 1:15 PM, zoe fiogkos wrote:




Hey everyone, what do you all recommend for converting a file on my mac from
apple MPEG-4 audio to mp3?
Regards
Zoe

by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus
said when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the
faith. So many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only
hope is that it won't be too

RE: accessible app recommendation needed please

[zoe fiogkos]

  Hi there I googled online converters for m4a to 
mp3 and it was the third or fourth result. It did the job and I saved the 
website to my favourites. I don’t know how to read the link so I can send it to 
you.  If you know how that’s done I would be happy to send you the link for the 
web site.
Regards
Zoe
 
 
by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus said 
when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the faith. So 
many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only hope is that 
it won’t be too late..  
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: August 12, 2016 4:00 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: accessible app recommendation needed please
 
Hi!
What was the name of the online converter.
/A
On 12 Aug 2016, at 20:25, zoe fiogkos <fiog...@rogers.com 
<mailto:fiog...@rogers.com> > wrote:
 
Hi chuck thank you so much, I should have stated that the only thing I didn’t 
want to use is iTunes. It’s not that I don’t like iTunes, but when I 
transferred from windows to the mac something went nuts with my iTunes library, 
so now I have thousands of files in my iTunes folder. So if I convert with 
iTunes I will need 3 days to find the file.
Anyhow I found an online converter that did the trick so now my voice memo is 
successfully in my itunes library and I have an mp3 version for my husband to 
listen to when he is out and about. My next step should be to fix my itunes 
library but right now it looks real scary lol. Thank you for your kindness in 
answering my question so quickly.
Regards
Zoe
 
 
by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus said 
when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the faith. So 
many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only hope is that 
it won’t be too late..  
 
From:  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[ <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
Sent: August 12, 2016 1:53 PM
To:  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: accessible app recommendation needed please
 
Hi zoe,
I use itunes to do this most of the time.
You just half to check your itunes import preferences and make sure its set to 
lets say mp3 in your case.
HTH
Chuck
 
 
CHUCK REICHEL
 <mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com
 <http://www.soundpicturerecording.com/> www.SoundPictureRecording.com
954-742-0019
Isaiah 26 : 3
 Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he 
trusteth in thee.
 
In GOD I Trust
 
On Aug 12, 2016, at 1:15 PM, zoe fiogkos wrote:




Hey everyone, what do you all recommend for converting a file on my mac from
apple MPEG-4 audio to mp3?
Regards
Zoe

by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus
said when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the
faith. So many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only
hope is that it won't be too late..  



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RE: a question about safari please

[zoe fiogkos]

So far so good. I like it very much. Once apple fixed my mac with a clean 
install and now for the most part every thing works correctly, I’m actually 
enjoying it more and more every day.
Regards
Zoe
 
 
by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus said 
when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the faith. So 
many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only hope is that 
it won’t be too late..  
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: August 12, 2016 3:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: a question about safari please
 
You’re exactly right, learning a new operating system is similar in some ways 
to learning a new language.  You have to in my mind fully immerse  your self 
and cut ties with the old.  I could never use windows and Mac at the same time 
I had to make the switch and fight through it.  Just like landing in Paris and 
having a crash course in French.
 
Another thing you have to learn is new muscle memory for your fingers and the 
keyboard commands.  At first I don’t know how many times I hit control escape 
to go back to the start menu from the old windows days when I made the switch.  
All new commands + new terminology and ways of doing things make switching 
platforms a steep learning curve at first.  Stick with it though, you’ll be 
glad you did.  I’m a Mac user now for about 8 years and would never go back to 
Windows.  Plus, as an old Unix guy and Network Engineer now having a Unix 
environment available with terminal is absolutely the bees knees for me.
 
On Aug 12, 2016, at 3:00 PM, zoe fiogkos <fiog...@rogers.com 
<mailto:fiog...@rogers.com> > wrote:
 
Oh thank you so much. That was easier then I thought.  I’m finding that the mac 
isn’t so hard after all it’s just different from windows. Slowly it’s making 
sence, it’s just a matter of reprogramming my brain after so many years of 
windows to remember new commands and layouts, and places.
Again thanks so much.
Regards
Zoe
 
 
by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus said 
when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the faith. So 
many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only hope is that 
it won’t be too late..  
 
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mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Babcock
Sent: August 12, 2016 2:48 PM
To:  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: a question about safari please
 
Go to the “history menu: 
VO+M once, then right to “History”.
open that menu and explore your history.
once you find the webpage, press +command+D” to save it.
 
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On Aug 12, 2016, at 11:46 AM, zoe fiogkos < <mailto:fiog...@rogers.com> 
fiog...@rogers.com> wrote:
 
Today I visited a sight I liked, and I forgot to save the address. Is there
a way in safari to view the web sights I visited today? If yes then how do I
save it as a favourite like you do in windows?
Thanks for any help
Regards
Zoe


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RE: accessible app recommendation needed please

[zoe fiogkos]

Oh yes don't worry, you did spell it correctly.
This encoder is in the menu but it doesn't give me a choice to encode to mp3 it 
just says encode to MPEG audio
Then there is a choice for destination folder, and weather to keep original 
file. Of course there is a continue button and a cancel button 
Regards
Zoe

by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus said 
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it won’t be too late..  


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: August 12, 2016 3:02 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: accessible app recommendation needed please

Zoe,

(Gee, I hope I spelled your name right).  There is a service (at least on my 
macintosh called "Encode selected files". 


I expect since I did not have a need to enable this, that it is available by 
default in the contextual menu.

If not, then try selecting your files, go to the finder menu (next to the apple 
menu) and check the services sub-menu. If you can not find it there, then I 
will hunt around my system some and give you some more directions.

Let us know if you find the service and if it works for you.
,

Best wishes,

Jonathan



> On Aug 12, 2016, at 2:38 PM, jeff `greene <greenebo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Zoe, I use a program called pro audio converter. Its available in
> the app store for I think $9.99. It works great. I first got it
> because I have a huge audio book library and wanted to run the files
> through a converter to see if I could reduce each book size (in mb). A
> lot of convertors I tried shortened the books, but pro audio converter
> was perfect.
> Hope this helps! Jeff
> 
> 
> On 8/12/16, zoe fiogkos <fiog...@rogers.com> wrote:
>> Hi chuck thank you so much, I should have stated that the only thing I
>> didn’t want to use is iTunes. It’s not that I don’t like iTunes, but when I
>> transferred from windows to the mac something went nuts with my iTunes
>> library, so now I have thousands of files in my iTunes folder. So if I
>> convert with iTunes I will need 3 days to find the file.
>> Anyhow I found an online converter that did the trick so now my voice memo
>> is successfully in my itunes library and I have an mp3 version for my
>> husband to listen to when he is out and about. My next step should be to fix
>> my itunes library but right now it looks real scary lol. Thank you for your
>> kindness in answering my question so quickly.
>> Regards
>> Zoe
>> 
>> 
>> by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus
>> said when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the
>> faith. So many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only
>> hope is that it won’t be too late..
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
>> Sent: August 12, 2016 1:53 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: accessible app recommendation needed please
>> 
>> Hi zoe,
>> I use itunes to do this most of the time.
>> You just half to check your itunes import preferences and make sure its set
>> to lets say mp3 in your case.
>> HTH
>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
>> CHUCK REICHEL
>> soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com <mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>
>> www.SoundPictureRecording.com <http://www.SoundPictureRecording.com/>
>> 954-742-0019
>> Isaiah 26 : 3
>> Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because
>> he trusteth in thee.
>> 
>> In GOD I Trust
>> 
>> On Aug 12, 2016, at 1:15 PM, zoe fiogkos wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hey everyone, what do you all recommend for converting a file on my mac
>> from
>> apple MPEG-4 audio to mp3?
>> Regards
>> Zoe
>> 
>> by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus
>> said when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the
>> faith. So many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My
>> only
>> hope is that it won't be too late..
>> 
>> 
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RE: a question about safari please

[zoe fiogkos]

Oh thank you so much. That was easier then I thought.  I’m finding that the mac 
isn’t so hard after all it’s just different from windows. Slowly it’s making 
sence, it’s just a matter of reprogramming my brain after so many years of 
windows to remember new commands and layouts, and places.
Again thanks so much.
Regards
Zoe
 
 
by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus said 
when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the faith. So 
many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only hope is that 
it won’t be too late..  
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Michael Babcock
Sent: August 12, 2016 2:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: a question about safari please
 
Go to the “history menu: 
VO+M once, then right to “History”.
open that menu and explore your history.
once you find the webpage, press +command+D” to save it.
 
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On Aug 12, 2016, at 11:46 AM, zoe fiogkos <fiog...@rogers.com 
<mailto:fiog...@rogers.com> > wrote:
 
Today I visited a sight I liked, and I forgot to save the address. Is there
a way in safari to view the web sights I visited today? If yes then how do I
save it as a favourite like you do in windows?
Thanks for any help
Regards
Zoe


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a question about safari please

[zoe fiogkos]

Today I visited a sight I liked, and I forgot to save the address. Is there
a way in safari to view the web sights I visited today? If yes then how do I
save it as a favourite like you do in windows?
Thanks for any help
Regards
Zoe


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RE: accessible app recommendation needed please

[zoe fiogkos]

Hi Jeff, I actually ended up using an online converter. For future reference 
though does this app do m4a to mp3?
Regards
Zoe

by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus said 
when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the faith. So 
many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only hope is that 
it won’t be too late..  


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of jeff `greene
Sent: August 12, 2016 2:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: accessible app recommendation needed please

Hi Zoe, I use a program called pro audio converter. Its available in
the app store for I think $9.99. It works great. I first got it
because I have a huge audio book library and wanted to run the files
through a converter to see if I could reduce each book size (in mb). A
lot of convertors I tried shortened the books, but pro audio converter
was perfect.
Hope this helps! Jeff


On 8/12/16, zoe fiogkos <fiog...@rogers.com> wrote:
> Hi chuck thank you so much, I should have stated that the only thing I
> didn’t want to use is iTunes. It’s not that I don’t like iTunes, but when I
> transferred from windows to the mac something went nuts with my iTunes
> library, so now I have thousands of files in my iTunes folder. So if I
> convert with iTunes I will need 3 days to find the file.
> Anyhow I found an online converter that did the trick so now my voice memo
> is successfully in my itunes library and I have an mp3 version for my
> husband to listen to when he is out and about. My next step should be to fix
> my itunes library but right now it looks real scary lol. Thank you for your
> kindness in answering my question so quickly.
> Regards
> Zoe
>
>
> by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus
> said when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the
> faith. So many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only
> hope is that it won’t be too late..
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
> Sent: August 12, 2016 1:53 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: accessible app recommendation needed please
>
> Hi zoe,
> I use itunes to do this most of the time.
> You just half to check your itunes import preferences and make sure its set
> to lets say mp3 in your case.
> HTH
> Chuck
>
>
> CHUCK REICHEL
> soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com <mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>
> www.SoundPictureRecording.com <http://www.SoundPictureRecording.com/>
> 954-742-0019
> Isaiah 26 : 3
>  Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because
> he trusteth in thee.
>
> In GOD I Trust
>
> On Aug 12, 2016, at 1:15 PM, zoe fiogkos wrote:
>
>
>
> Hey everyone, what do you all recommend for converting a file on my mac
> from
> apple MPEG-4 audio to mp3?
> Regards
> Zoe
>
> by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus
> said when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the
> faith. So many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My
> only
> hope is that it won't be too late..
>
>
>
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RE: accessible app recommendation needed please

[zoe fiogkos]

Hi chuck thank you so much, I should have stated that the only thing I didn’t 
want to use is iTunes. It’s not that I don’t like iTunes, but when I 
transferred from windows to the mac something went nuts with my iTunes library, 
so now I have thousands of files in my iTunes folder. So if I convert with 
iTunes I will need 3 days to find the file.
Anyhow I found an online converter that did the trick so now my voice memo is 
successfully in my itunes library and I have an mp3 version for my husband to 
listen to when he is out and about. My next step should be to fix my itunes 
library but right now it looks real scary lol. Thank you for your kindness in 
answering my question so quickly.
Regards
Zoe
 
 
by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus said 
when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the faith. So 
many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only hope is that 
it won’t be too late..  
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
Sent: August 12, 2016 1:53 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: accessible app recommendation needed please
 
Hi zoe,
I use itunes to do this most of the time.
You just half to check your itunes import preferences and make sure its set to 
lets say mp3 in your case.
HTH
Chuck
 
 
CHUCK REICHEL
soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com <mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> 
www.SoundPictureRecording.com <http://www.SoundPictureRecording.com/> 
954-742-0019
Isaiah 26 : 3
 Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he 
trusteth in thee.
 
In GOD I Trust
 
On Aug 12, 2016, at 1:15 PM, zoe fiogkos wrote:



Hey everyone, what do you all recommend for converting a file on my mac from
apple MPEG-4 audio to mp3?
Regards
Zoe

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said when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the
faith. So many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only
hope is that it won't be too late..  



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accessible app recommendation needed please

[zoe fiogkos]

Hey everyone, what do you all recommend for converting a file on my mac from
apple MPEG-4 audio to mp3?
Regards
Zoe

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RE: help with voice memos

[zoe fiogkos]

I think I like the air drop solution. Do you know how I can convert this file 
to mp3?
 
by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus said 
when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the faith. So 
many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only hope is that 
it won’t be too late..  
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: July 27, 2016 8:58 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: help with voice memos
 
My first thought is to sync via iTunes, which will put all your voice memos 
into iTunes and from there let you access them in the iTunes media folder. You 
could also try Airdropping the file over to the Mac, assuming your Mac is new 
enough (2011 or 2012 for most machines).
On Jul 27, 2016, at 13:00, zoe fiogkos <fiog...@rogers.com 
<mailto:fiog...@rogers.com> > wrote:
 
Hey everyone, hope you can help.
I attended a lexure wich was about 2 and a half hours. I used my voice memos
app on my iPhone 6 plus to record this talk. So now I want to transfer it to
my mac. After I do so I want to convert it to mp3.
Any ideas how I do this.
Thanks for any help in advanced 
Regards
Zoe

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help with voice memos

[zoe fiogkos]

Hey everyone, hope you can help.
I attended a lexure wich was about 2 and a half hours. I used my voice memos
app on my iPhone 6 plus to record this talk. So now I want to transfer it to
my mac. After I do so I want to convert it to mp3.
Any ideas how I do this.
Thanks for any help in advanced 
Regards
Zoe

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RE: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO and my new Mac

[zoe fiogkos]

Me to Karen please, and thank you so much
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of elayneh
Sent: June 14, 2016 8:51 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO 
and my new Mac
 
hi will you send me a copy of the text and any other audio information. I 
am a new mac user also and this will really help me.thank you  
On 6/14/2016 12:44 AM, Andy wrote:
Hi again Karen. 

Yes absolutely!  This is exactly the type of thing I'm looking for.  I'd love 
to have copies of each please if you can give me a download link. 

I've had a number of very kind responses from members offering individual 
support by telephone.  I live in Scotland so the phone bills would lead to a 
hammering from my wife Pauline.  Not too good at going through training by 
telephone in anycase as you cannot really consentrate on taking notes.  Much 
better to have text files, or better, audio tutorials. 

Very best wishes. 
Andy. 
- Original Message - From: "Karen Lewellen"  
  
To:    
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 10:09 PM 
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO 
and my new Mac 




Ho again Andy, 
You are most welcome. 
I found, rather simply I might add, both a text copy of keyboard shortcuts for 
el captain, and the voiceover users guide in text. 
If you  require them write me off list and I can either send them along or tell 
you where they can be found. 
Kare 


On Mon, 13 Jun 2016, Andy wrote: 



Hi Karen. 

Thank you for responding to my enquiry. 

I am aware of John's site, Mac for the Blind and indeed, John is currently 
assisting me resolve my problems and does have a number of audio podcasts 
available, which I have already downloaded two of them. 

However, I floored myself saving up for my new Imac and simply cannot afford 
these. 

This is why I'm trying to locate some text tutorials or something like that, to 
get me going. 

Thanks for your advise. 

Very best wishes. 
Andy. 




- Original Message - From: "Karen Lewellen"  
  
To:    
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 6:28 PM 
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO 
and my new Mac 




 Hi, 
 No idea which os you are running but John, who is a member here, keeps all 
 of the voiceover users guides in test on his website. 
 www.macfortheblind.com   
 Or I think that is correct. 
 I cannot say if it remains, but there is or was  a training built into the 
 voiceover utility itself. 
 Loads of free options out there for you. 
 HTH, 
 Kare 

 On Mon, 13 Jun 2016, Andy wrote: 

>  Hi all. 
> 
>  I've jumped ship from Win 7 to a beutiful 27 inch Imac with Elcapitan > and 
> I'm stuck. 
> 
>  I cannot for the life of me find affordable tutorials, in any format, > to 
> get me started. 
> 
>  I bought the new computer and jumped ship because I was convinced > that 
> there must be lpoads of training materials available to help me, > but 
> unfortunately, the lovely shine is quickly leaving my new > computer. 
> 
>  So I need some form of formate media to help me learn about voice > over and 
> how to get started . 
> 
>  Any information would be absolutely appricieated. 
> 
>  Andy. 
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RE: converting a video?

[zoe fiogkos]

It does and it worked my only beef is that it didn't give me a choice in what 
kind of format I want to convert it to, any ideas how I can get it into the mp3 
format.  Other then that the quicktime way of converting was very easy.

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Sent: April 1, 2016 1:53 PM
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Subject: Re: converting a video?

Hello Zoe,

If memory serves me well, the export option is usually to be found under the 
file menu.

While in quicktime with your file open, press vo+m to go to the application 
menu bar.  Use vo+right & left arrows to move right or left through the 
application menu bar.  Once you hear "file", press down arrow key to enter the 
choices under file and you should find export there.  Listen carefully as 
voiceover announces the menu items and if it says "submenu" expand it with 
right arrow to see other options there.

Hope this helps

Andrew
> On 1 Apr 2016, at 18:48, zoe fiogkos <fiog...@rogers.com> wrote:
> 
> I did open them with quick time to view them, where in quicktime would I find 
> the export?
> 
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> Subject: Re: converting a video?
> 
> You could also use airdrop to send them to your mac and then open in 
> quicktime/file,export,audio.
>> On Apr 1, 2016, at 10:21 AM, zoe fiogkos <fiog...@rogers.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi guys, as always hope you  are all doing okay. So I attended a lecture,
>> and stupid me I video taped it using my iPhone, instead of using the voice
>> memos.  So I have these videos sitting on my mac.  What is the easiest way
>> to convert them to mp3 audio files?
>> Thanks to all for the help and any ideas.
>> Regards
>> Zoe
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RE: converting a video?

[zoe fiogkos]

This iMovie application is the one in the appstore?  I searched on my mac but 
didn’t find anything called iMovie, I searched on the appstore and the first 
result costs two dollars and 99 cense, is this the one you are talking about?
 
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Sent: April 1, 2016 1:29 PM
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Subject: Re: converting a video?
 
If you have iMovie installed, simply create a new project, import those videos 
and export it as MP3. I am fairly good with working with videos, so feel free 
to contact me for any help.
 
Seyoon Choi
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On Apr 1, 2016, at 12:21 PM, zoe fiogkos <fiog...@rogers.com 
<mailto:fiog...@rogers.com> > wrote:
 
Hi guys, as always hope you  are all doing okay. So I attended a lecture,
and stupid me I video taped it using my iPhone, instead of using the voice
memos.  So I have these videos sitting on my mac.  What is the easiest way
to convert them to mp3 audio files?
Thanks to all for the help and any ideas.
Regards
Zoe

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RE: converting a video?

[zoe fiogkos]

I did open them with quick time to view them, where in quicktime would I find 
the export?

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Subject: Re: converting a video?

You could also use airdrop to send them to your mac and then open in 
quicktime/file,export,audio.
> On Apr 1, 2016, at 10:21 AM, zoe fiogkos <fiog...@rogers.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi guys, as always hope you  are all doing okay. So I attended a lecture,
> and stupid me I video taped it using my iPhone, instead of using the voice
> memos.  So I have these videos sitting on my mac.  What is the easiest way
> to convert them to mp3 audio files?
> Thanks to all for the help and any ideas.
> Regards
> Zoe
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converting a video?

[zoe fiogkos]

Hi guys, as always hope you  are all doing okay. So I attended a lecture,
and stupid me I video taped it using my iPhone, instead of using the voice
memos.  So I have these videos sitting on my mac.  What is the easiest way
to convert them to mp3 audio files?
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Regards
Zoe

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RE: how to get rid of something from sidebar

[zoe fiogkos]

Thank you so much this option you gave me not only took care of my sidebar 
problem but it also worked to get rid of another mistake in the doc. Very 
greatful for your help.
Regards
Zoe

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Subject: Re: how to get rid of something from sidebar

Hi,
did you try the context menue (VO+Shift+m)? There you’ll find an entry to 
remove folder from sidebar.
Jürgen



> Am 31.03.2016 um 20:41 schrieb zoe fiogkos <fiog...@rogers.com>:
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> By accident I added a folder to my sidebar, any idea how to get rid of it?
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