Re: BlindSquare clockface directions

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Hello!

When you are walking, direction comes from GPS changes, so then there is no
matter how device is positioned.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 11:37 PM, Christina  wrote:

>
>
> Hello all,
>
> Everytime I use blindSquare when walking, it will announce a POI at say 2
> o’clock, more often than not, it’s completely wrong. I’ve tried using the
> phone in my pocket or holding it with the screen facing the sky. Also, Does
> blindSquare support being in your pocket as long as you are moving to use
> GPS to tell what direction you are walking to make announcements accurate?
> The app directions mention putting your phone in your pocket but I seem to
> have bad luck with that. Is there a trick or setting that I’m missing
> because I haven’t found such a setting.
>
> Thanks,
> Christina
>
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Re: Nearby Explorer vs. Blind Square?

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

David, to what app you refer to? BlindSquare has been around for 5 years
and I have done roughly 100 updates to it (free of charge for all app
owners).

I still support iOS versions 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10, but always make sure that
latest devices are supported with maximum performance. I also support new
features if you run latest iOS. For example, on iOS 10 I support all
downloadable iOS voices. If you want to benefit form these, you need to
download them from iOS Settings/General/Accessibility/Speech/Voices. Once
you have downloaded ones you like, they can be selected from BlindSquare's
voice settings.

Best, Ilkka

On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 9:52 PM, David and his growing pack of dogs. Benny,
no longer with us his memory lives on through <myguidedo...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> My only concern so far is, when I went into the app store. The app in
> discussion on this list has not been updated for almost 3 years.
> Since June of 014. If I purchased the app on my IPhone 6S plus. Would
> I get the prompt that the developer needs to update the app and it
> could slow down your IPhone.   Also, does the app work outside the U
> S?
>
> On 3/3/17, Ilkka Pirttimaa <ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > It works on trainstations too, including tracks, delays and all you need.
> > You can control these also from audio menu and with voice commands like
> > "bus", "train" or more specific "bus 22"
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On 3 Mar 2017, at 19.16, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Just to add to what you’re talking about here.
> >>
> >> There are a few key sources of error which you bring up and one you
> >> skirted by.
> >>  First, your right, you’re aggregating 3 data sources for location
> >> (possibly more).  WiFi location that you’ve already covered, tower
> >> location and GPS space based location.  Tower based will get you with in
> >> 100 meters maybe a bit better assuming optimal atmospheric conditions.
> >> GPS will get you different levels of accuracy depending on a lot of
> >> factors ranging from whether you have an error corrected signal (WAAS in
> >> the US), how many satellites you’re receiving, the type of geography
> >> you’re in and so forth.  In perfect conditions GPS will work down to
> about
> >> 3 meters, usually you’ll see more like 9 meters and the deviation can
> be a
> >> lot higher than that.
> >>  As you can see, by all three methods, the error rate is high
> enough that
> >> locating your exact position in fine detail isn’t practical yet.  (The
> new
> >> GPS system will address some of this)
> >>  The other source of error that’s a big one that you didn’t mention
> as
> >> much is the fact that the maps are generally designed with driving in
> >> mind.  Even walking maps are in many cases just approximations from
> >> driving data.  So the map is assuming you’re driving down the street and
> >> locates your location based on where you’ll park, not the front door.
> >> Also, as you mentioned, address ranges are usually applied to the block
> >> and the fine detail is left to a sited user who can easily scan the area
> >> for the signage etc.  Obviously this is not what we need.
> >>  User shared points of reference are usually measured by a handset
> close
> >> to the location so can be a bit better but we’re operating still with in
> >> the margins of error.  I always liked the talking signs system for the
> in
> >> building / fine navigation but we need to put beacons everywhere for
> that
> >> to work.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Mar 3, 2017, at 9:02 AM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Actually, I am nt sure the issues with accuracy in most cases is the
> >>> limits of the GPS receivers especially since iPhone's use WiFi as
> >>> additional triangulation information as much as the OI databases. Since
> >>> POI databases seem to have street addresses rather than actual lat/long
> >>> coordinates, and since the GIS databases often just give ranges of
> >>> addresses in a block there is a significant error rate. My parents home
> >>> had the largest address on the block which ended in 32, but some GPS
> >>> systems suggested it  was an address that ended in 52 and that the
> >>> address ending in 32 was 300 yards down the street. Google until last
> >>> year thought my house was around the corner on a differentt street. So
> my
&g

Re: Nearby Explorer vs. Blind Square?

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

It works on trainstations too, including tracks, delays and all you need. You 
can control these also from audio menu and with voice commands like "bus", 
"train" or more specific "bus 22"

Sent from my iPhone

> On 3 Mar 2017, at 19.16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Just to add to what you’re talking about here.
> 
> There are a few key sources of error which you bring up and one you skirted 
> by.  
>   First, your right, you’re aggregating 3 data sources for location 
> (possibly more).  WiFi location that you’ve already covered, tower location 
> and GPS space based location.  Tower based will get you with in 100 meters 
> maybe a bit better assuming optimal atmospheric conditions.  GPS will get you 
> different levels of accuracy depending on a lot of factors ranging from 
> whether you have an error corrected signal (WAAS in the US), how many 
> satellites you’re receiving, the type of geography you’re in and so forth.  
> In perfect conditions GPS will work down to about 3 meters, usually you’ll 
> see more like 9 meters and the deviation can be a lot higher than that.
>   As you can see, by all three methods, the error rate is high enough 
> that locating your exact position in fine detail isn’t practical yet.  (The 
> new GPS system will address some of this)
>   The other source of error that’s a big one that you didn’t mention as 
> much is the fact that the maps are generally designed with driving in mind.  
> Even walking maps are in many cases just approximations from driving data.  
> So the map is assuming you’re driving down the street and locates your 
> location based on where you’ll park, not the front door.  Also, as you 
> mentioned, address ranges are usually applied to the block and the fine 
> detail is left to a sited user who can easily scan the area for the signage 
> etc.  Obviously this is not what we need.
>   User shared points of reference are usually measured by a handset close 
> to the location so can be a bit better but we’re operating still with in the 
> margins of error.  I always liked the talking signs system for the in 
> building / fine navigation but we need to put beacons everywhere for that to 
> work.
> 
>  
>  
>> On Mar 3, 2017, at 9:02 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> Actually, I am nt sure the issues with accuracy in most cases is the limits 
>> of the GPS receivers especially since iPhone's use WiFi as additional 
>> triangulation information as much as the OI databases. Since POI databases 
>> seem to have street addresses rather than actual lat/long coordinates, and 
>> since the GIS databases often just give ranges of addresses in a block there 
>> is a significant error rate. My parents home had the largest address on the 
>> block which ended in 32, but some GPS systems suggested it  was an address 
>> that ended in 52 and that the address ending in 32 was 300 yards down the 
>> street. Google until last year thought my house was around the corner on a 
>> differentt street. So my hope would be that the checkin process that Square 
>> requires would in well visited areas cause the database to be more accurate.
>> 
>> I remember 5 years ago when I first got Sendaro on my Windows phone, walking 
>> around in circles for 15 minutes because the restaurant I was looking for 
>> was always 100 yards away. I tend to find that happens less often with my 
>> iPhone, if it brings me to the wrong address it pretty much insists on that 
>> location and does not wander around, except for when I am near a body of 
>> water.
>> 
>> So the question to get back to the original subject is do people find that 
>> they have less stress finding a location using one of the three blind 
>> oriented iPhone solutions over using a more main stream product? 
>>  
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 2:01 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No, the blindness specific apps are subject to the current limitations of 
>>> GPS, just like the lower cost alternatives. That said, EU's GPS system will 
>>> be coming online fairly soon. With both systems working in concert, 
>>> expected GPS accuracy is predicted to significantly increase to an average 
>>> of one metre, rather than the current best of three metres which is 
>>> occasionally obtained from the US system on a perfect day. Note: inclimate 
>>> weather will always significantly reduce GPS as long as current 
>>> technologies are being used. This has to do with how radio waves and 
>>> atmospheric conditions interact, amongst other factors.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 2/03/2017, at 16:37, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
 
 I have been putting off purchasing either of these apps. I was ready to 
 purchase BlindSquared when Nearby Explorer was first demonstrated, 

Re: Nearby Explorer vs. Blind Square?

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Harry, did you know that BlindSquare supports super cool public transport
support in UK. You may want to go to Other/Settings to check if your shake
settings include Public Transport.

Best, Ilkka

On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 5:31 PM, Harry Bell  wrote:

> Jonathan
> Your post was so helpful! I have stressed a lot, trying to find out what
> I've been doing wrong to make one app or the other so inaccurate!! Perhaps
> I will be able to chill a bit more and wait for better satellites to
> provide gps here in the U.K.!
> So far BlindSquare seems slightly more accurate in announcing destinations
> than Nearby Explorer - and certainly better at searching for a pub or
> building which can then be found reliably. But that may just be Foursquare
> being more accurate than google places in York where I live in the U.K.
> Harry
>
> On 3 Mar 2017, at 14:02, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>
> Actually, I am nt sure the issues with accuracy in most cases is the
> limits of the GPS receivers especially since iPhone's use WiFi as
> additional triangulation information as much as the OI databases. Since POI
> databases seem to have street addresses rather than actual lat/long
> coordinates, and since the GIS databases often just give ranges of
> addresses in a block there is a significant error rate. My parents home had
> the largest address on the block which ended in 32, but some GPS systems
> suggested it  was an address that ended in 52 and that the address ending
> in 32 was 300 yards down the street. Google until last year thought my
> house was around the corner on a differentt street. So my hope would be
> that the checkin process that Square requires would in well visited areas
> cause the database to be more accurate.
>
> I remember 5 years ago when I first got Sendaro on my Windows phone,
> walking around in circles for 15 minutes because the restaurant I was
> looking for was always 100 yards away. I tend to find that happens less
> often with my iPhone, if it brings me to the wrong address it pretty much
> insists on that location and does not wander around, except for when I am
> near a body of water.
>
> So the question to get back to the original subject is do people find that
> they have less stress finding a location using one of the three blind
> oriented iPhone solutions over using a more main stream product?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2017, at 2:01 AM, David Chittenden 
> wrote:
>
> No, the blindness specific apps are subject to the current limitations of
> GPS, just like the lower cost alternatives. That said, EU's GPS system will
> be coming online fairly soon. With both systems working in concert,
> expected GPS accuracy is predicted to significantly increase to an average
> of one metre, rather than the current best of three metres which is
> occasionally obtained from the US system on a perfect day. Note: inclimate
> weather will always significantly reduce GPS as long as current
> technologies are being used. This has to do with how radio waves and
> atmospheric conditions interact, amongst other factors.
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 2/03/2017, at 16:37, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
>
> I have been putting off purchasing either of these apps. I was ready to
> purchase BlindSquared when Nearby Explorer was first demonstrated, and i
> have been debating if the bus time announcements were worth the cost of
> Nearby Explorer.
>
> The major GPS issues i have with the low cost solutions I currently use is
> for the last few yards and i am not sure either of these Apps will help.
> Examples are is my bus stop here or at the next pole? Or when there are six
> bus stops clustered near a train stop. Or thirdly where is the front of the
> building i just walked ten blocks to.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan Cohn
>
> On Mar 1, 2017, at 4:15 PM, David Chittenden 
> wrote:
>
> For bus / train public transit, I very strongly encourage trying an app
> called moovit.
>
> Moovit is the only public transit app I have used which automatically, and
> consistently, announces the stop where I need to get off the bus just
> before the stop. It gives a couple announcements, one from a couple hundred
> metres before (at the previous bus stop (so one can trigger the stop
> request signal), and one when it is time to get off the bus. These
> announcements occur when the live route tracking is active. The walking
> between bus stops, to the first bus stop, and to the final destination, is
> not very good for the blind pedestrian, but the actual bus and train travel
> announcements are better than any other app I have used.
>
> Between bus stops, and to my destination, I usually use Apple Maps. My
> fiancé, on the other hand, prefers Google Maps. She is sighted, and finds
> its visual layout to be much more appealing.
>
> 

Re: Walking directions in the United States

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Apple Watch can also be used to control BlindSquare's Audio Menu:
http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/quick-tip-controlling-blindsquare-gps-now-playing-glance-apple-watch

Best, Ilkka

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 11:42 PM, Cristina Hartmann <
cristina.hartm...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't know if you have an Apple Watch, but if you do, you can supplement
> BlindSquare with it. It gives you tactile turning directions (2 vibrates
> for right, 10 for left). It also vibrates in a different pattern when you
> arrive at your destination. You have to use this in conjunction with Apple
> Maps.
>
> Molly Watts, a deafblind woman in the UK, writes a bit about this feature:
> http://www.mollywatt.com/blog/entry/my-apple-watch-after-5-days
>
> Good luck with your interview!
>
> Best,
> Cristina
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:34 AM, Feliciano Godoy <
> theblindman...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> BlindSquare plus Google maps is great.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Feliciano
>> For tech tips and updates,
>> LIKE ..facebook.com/theblindman12v
>> Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
>>
>> > On Feb 29, 2016, at 5:19 AM, Basioli George  wrote:
>> >
>> > ben,
>> >
>> > since you have both blind square and navigon use them together
>> > start blind square and make your trip with useing your current location
>> as the start, and your appointment place as the distination.
>> > then when you tell b s the next move it will ask you what app it will
>> see on your device and choose navigon
>> > now navigon will open and it will do it’s thing and when you walk you
>> will get the turns from navigon and you will get all the intersection info
>> and all the b s info at the same time.
>> > this is why i have different voices for my divice and blind square so
>> when on the road you can tell which is telling you what.
>> >> On Feb 29, 2016, at 5:14 AM, Scott Granados 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ben, Sendero has a product that’s not bad that’s like $70 yearly or
>> something in that range.  They also have a free around me app.
>> >>
>> >> The included Apple Maps app is very usable and regardless of any app,
>> congrats on the interview and I’m pulling for you to get the gig.
>> >>
>> >>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 9:09 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren <
>> ben.j.bloomg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi all,
>> >>>
>> >>> I have a job interview coming up this week, and I need to do some
>> practice so that I can know where I'm going. Once I get into the area,
>> however, I would like to know which app you guys prefer for obtaining
>> walking directions. Under android, I used an app called nearby explorer. It
>> works splendidly. I have blind square, nava gone, Apple Maps, Google maps,
>> and Waze. I have used BlindSquare before with great results, but I need to
>> be very sure of what I'm receiving. What would you guys recommend?
>> >>>
>> >>> Ben
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Re: Braille on the Mac

[ilkka . pirttimaa]

So, do you need braille font? If yes, there are some already installed in osx: 
http://www.tsbvi.edu/math/141-resources/resources-1/1087-download-braille-and-asl-specialty-fonts

Lähetetty iPhonesta

> Jeff Berwick  kirjoitti 25.1.2016 kello 2.04:
> 
> Thanks Erick.  We have a braille, but she needs to transmit it 
> electronically...The search continues...
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 11:13 AM, erik burggraaf  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, no but neither would perkyduck.  They're just keyboards.  That would 
>> be great for her own practice, but wouldn't give her visual representations 
>> of dots.  Duxbury would automatically translate to braille on windows.  
>> Louis or Brailleblaster would do on mac, but that would be kind'a cheeting.  
>> You know, the very best thing for this purpose would be to loan or buy a 
>> perkins brailler.  Vision aids sometimes has used ones on consignment.  They 
>> often appear on blindbst and free enterprise as well for between $250 and 
>> $350.  Also, if she is still doing work for the Helen Keller centre, they 
>> may have a perkins they would be willing to loan out to her for a few weeks.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 11:02 AM, Jeff Berwick  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Will that allow her to share the Braille file for marking?  I think it has 
>>> to be the actual braille so they can mark her proficiency.
>>> 
 On Jan 23, 2016, at 3:06 PM, Erik Burggraaf  
 wrote:
 
 Hi jeff,,
 
 Perkyduck is just a braille keyboard.  If that's all she needs, go with 
 mbraille on IOS.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik
 
 
 Sent from TypeApp
 
 
> On Jan 23, 2016, at 2:25 PM, Jeff Berwick  
> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> My wife is taking a braille course via correspondence and will need to 
> send braille to somebody for review.  The suggested program is Duxbury 
> Perky Duck, but this does not seem to have a Mac version.  Does anybody 
> have any suggestions for another program to work on Mac or IOS to 
> accomplish this task?
> 
> Tia,
> Jeff
 
 
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Re: Uber Questions

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Jessica, just like you mention, BlindSquare has full support for ordering
Uber taxi. Just search by name, address or from your contacts, and you will
then see price and minutes how long it will take Uber to pick you up. You
can then launch Uber and you are one click away of ordering. Driver will
know your pickup location + where you are going.  You can also test
availability of Uber+price estimate using simulation.

For example:
- Search "New York"
- Filter search result by Address
- Open address for "New York"
- Simulate
- Find restaurant
- From Place Summary Screen, see what Uber taxi would cost to get there
(you can't make an order from simulation)

Please notice that button will be shown only if you have Uber app installed.

More:
https://audioboom.com/boos/2501176-ubersquare-how-blindsquare-and-uber-make-traveling-as-easy-as-a-breeze

Best, Ilkka

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Jessica Moss 
wrote:

> Another good thing I've found, is that if you use the blindsquare app, a
> lot of the time after you look up an address, it will have the uber option
> listed, how long it will take for them to get to you, and the fare estimate
> you can expect to pay, so you don't always have to input all of that into
> the app itself.  Something I've never understood though, is how you know
> when you refer someone to use the app, how you tell if they've excepted
> your request or not.
>   I've referred several friends of mine who I thought could benefit from
> using uber, and never got any response back to whether or not they got my
> sms, either from them, or uber, so not sure what to make of that.  That's
> actually how I found out about them, through another friend of mine.
>
> On Feb 7, 2016, at 3:26 AM, venky...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Here is a detailed explanation of using uber with voiceover.
> In the first screen, you will have options to go to the menu, set your
> pickup location, select the type of uber you want to use, etc.
> In the pickup location, you will have to enter the address from where you
> wish to be picked up. That is, your house address if you are leaving from
> home. Once you make sure voice-over speaks the correct address, swipe
> right. you will hear voice-over say "set pickup location" followed bye The
> ETA. Double tap this button And you will be taken to a confirmation screen.
>
> In this screen, you will have different options to enter destination,
> choose payment method (I think it is only the credit card in the US and
> many countries), check fare estimate and a request button at the bottom of
> the screen. Here are the details of the confirmation screen.
> the first element is “centre map” this not important from a voiceOver
> user’s perspective.
> The next element as you swipe right is the cancel button. this is if you
> want to go to the previous screen. The next element says “confirmation” and
> we will not have to interact with this. the next option is pickup location.
> remember, you have set this before. Next, the Add destination button.
> double tap this to search for and enter the address of the place you want
> to go to.
> It is quite easy to enter the destination for popular landmarks and most
> addresses.
> the next option is payment. you can select this if you have multiple cards
> added to your account.
> the next option is fare estimate. this will ask you to enter the drop
> location so uber can calculate a rough fare for your ride. the next option
> is promo code. here, you can enter a promo code (if you have any) to get
> discounts.
> the next option is the request button. VoiceOver reads this as “request”
> followed by the category of the car you selected. double tap this option.
> when the ride gets confirmed, you will get the driver details. look for the
> trip options or the contact driver button and inform him that you are
> visually impaired and as suggested, describe yourself. after your trip, you
> will get the details such as the fare and an option to rate the driver.
>
> I use Uber in India and I too was very nervous to travel alone initially.
> But after a few trips, I feel very confident and most of all, independent.
>
> Here are a few tips that will make your uber experience even better.
> 1. It is always better to enter the destination. even if you do not know
> the exact address, try searching for it in the add destination screen. Uber
> has a fairly good source from which it lists addresses. If you are still
> unable to find the place you want to go to, try searching in google maps
> and enter the name in uber. This will save you the trouble of telling the
> driver the directions to your destination. You can add the destination even
> after the trip is confirmed and you get the driver details. the driver will
> be able to see where you want to go only after you get into the car and he
> starts his trip.
> 2. Send status to your contacts. Once your ride is confirmed and you get
> the driver details, explore the screen to 

Re: BlindSquare V3.00 is out.

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Hello!

Press release: http://blindsquare.com/press/
More info of Indoor system: http://blindsquare.com/indoor/

Best, Ilkka (developer of BlindSquare)

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 12:27 AM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Hi Sadam.
 Do you have the URL that was shown on the update notes in BlindSquare? I
 was going to go and look at it, but I lost the screen on my iPhone and I
 can’t figure out how to get it back so I check out iBeacons, or whatever it
 is called. I wanted to see what places are on it.

 Gigi
 for one thing.

 By the way, for those of you going to the ACB convention in Dallas, do you
 know there is an app you can download from the App Store for navigation
 within the convention hotel? They say it was done for the San Francisco
 airport, and I downloaded it for free. I can’t try it out util I go to the
 convention in July.

 On Jun 5, 2015, at 10:24 PM, sadamahmed1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 Blind Square a great application for navigation on the iOS platform has
 received a significant update.

 The highlight in this release include supporting iBecons Apples
 implementation of indoor mapping.

 Here's the change log:

 NEW: BlindSquare now supports BlindSquare BPS (Beacon Positioning System),
 an indoor navigation system based on iBeacons. It is currently available at
 a few places only, but will hopefully become available at more venues soon.

 NEW: 3d sounds. If you use a stereo headset with BlindSquare, you will now
 hear the alert sound played from the direction of the POI that is being
 announced.

 NEW: BlindSquare now supports the TransitTimes+ public transport app

 NEW: If you use BlindSquare on an iPhone 6 or 6plus, you can check changes
 in elevation. Based on your device’s barometer, the GPS-Info screen shows
 your elevation compared to when you started BlindSquare. There is also a
 button letting you reset your elevation to the current reading.

 CHANGE: Optimized to use less memory

 CHANGE: Updated Open Street Map data, more intersection information
 available in some areas now.

 FIX: Resolved a timing issue in the Audio Menu that made it harder to
 select the intended item.

 note: You can control BlindSquare‘s Audio Menu from your Apple watch.
 Start BlindSquare on your phone, swipe up with two fingers to bring up your
 glances, and double-tap the Pause button. Double-Tap again to activate an
 Audio Menu item.

 Best wishes.

 Sadam Ahmed

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Re: Need an iPhone GPS solution

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Here you will find instructions and also list of supported Navigation apps:
http://blindsquare.com/instructions#tracking-and-route

Ilkka

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:

 Hi Gigi,

 It did.  I had just figured out that I needed to plan a route to get it to
 access Apple Maps when I saw your message.  I was able to search and find
 the intersection, and now have it set as a favorite, so will see what
 happens the next time I'm out.  thanks so much for the help, and also the
 advice about having it not stay connected.  You're right, the information
 is helpful, but could get to be a bit much.
 Take care,
 Donna
  On Apr 15, 2015, at 7:12 AM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
  You have to pick plan a trip once you have identified to the program the
 place either by searching or having it in your favorites. when you choose
 plan a trip, you will be asked which program you want to use, although in
 your case it might go directly to Apple Maps since you don’t have Navigon
 or some other GPS for sending. Also, you might want to go to settings
 within Blind Square and tell the program not to stay connected when sending
 co-ordinates. The thing is, it talks a lot and says stuff you want, but it
 may or may not be too much when you are trying to ride in a vehicle.
 Anyway, Blind Square can be told to either be online while connected to
 another program or not. I hope this helps.
 
  Gigi
 
  On Apr 15, 2015, at 7:03 AM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
 
  Hi Gigi,
 
  How do I tell BlindSquare to send my coordinates to Apple Maps?  I see
 ways to text or email my location to people, but nothing that seems to send
 coordinates to Maps.
  thanks,
  Donna
 
  On Apr 14, 2015, at 8:50 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
  Hi there
  It sounds like you might want to consider blind Square and naviggon
 paired together. I don't know if you are aware of this, but at least the
 last I checked, and I have both of them, even though blind square doesn't
 have turn by turn, you can tell it to send court ordinates of wherever you
 want to go to Nvigon or Apple maps. It may be that Apple  maps might meet
 your needs anyway, especially if you pair them both together. I think you
 can search for intersections. When I get a chance, I will look and see. If
 you can do that, you can set a favorite. You can also set blind square to
 announce the street as The bus crosses. I do this all the time for bus
 intersections. However, my situation is different because I live in a major
 city and not auroral area.
  Gigi
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Apr 14, 2015, at 8:13 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
 
  Hi all,
 
  I'm currently living in a rural area.  there is a transit system
 here, but for reasons I'll never understand , the drivers have yet to
 discover the wonders of GPS.  consequently, I need a GPS app on my iPhone
 that I can use to tell drivers how to get places.  I've messed around a bit
 with BlindSquare, but it keeps missing one of the primary intersections I
 need it to find.  Does anyone have any suggestions?  I'm willing to shell
 out the $$ for Navigon, but I'd sure like to know it's going to do what I
 need first.
  TIA,
  Donna
 
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Re: Plantronics Voyager legend and Blindsquare

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Hello!

I'm little bit concerned, how well Audio Menu works with Plantronics, since
to activate any menu item, you need to click Play again and if it takes
couple of seconds, it doesn't work. Krister, can you activate for example
Look Around or Weather with it?

Audio Menu works great with regular earpods.

You can learn more of it from this podcast:
https://audioboom.com/boos/2170530-blindsquare-2-0-new-features
Instructions of Audio Menu: http://blindsquare.com/instructions/#audio-menu

Regards, Ilkka

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Faisal ali faisal.a...@icloud.com wrote:

 Also, can it be used with the regular earpods?

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 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jessica Moss
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 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Plantronics Voyager legend and Blindsquare

 Is this a single behind-the-ear headset, or a stereo headset, and is there
 a podcast on how to work it?  I got a bluetooth headset to use with my
 phone, that says you can move backwards and forwards between tracks, but it
 only has 3 buttons to control the power/volume, so can't get that function
 to work, so may look into getting this one, and give this one to someone
 else if I can't get the one I have to work.
 On Jan 28, 2015, at 7:57 AM, Vivianna irish...@gmail.com wrote:

  This is awesome news!  thanks for posting.
  they are $80 over at amazon.com
 
  Vivianna
 
  On Jan 28, 2015, at 6:27 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com
 wrote:
 
  Hi,
  I have to admit i was wrong earlier on in assuming that you couldn’t
 fully work with Blindsquare using the Plantronics Voyager Legend, in fact
 you can. For those familiar with Blindsquare you probably know that there’s
 a menu called the ”audio menu” that you can reach via the remote control on
 a headset. Well i assumed you could not use that menu but it turns out i
 was wrong. You reach this audio menu by pressing and holding the mute/voice
 command button a couple of seconds until a low beep is heard. At that point
 the audio menu in blindsquare pops up. You dismiss the menu in the same way
 you invoked it.
  Hope this helps.
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Re: blind square help.

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Hello!

You will find list of all 3rd party navigation apps from here:
http://blindsquare.com/instructions/#tracking-and-route
There are 10 options and 3 of them are free.

Ilkka


On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 5:16 AM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Hi Jessica
 When it says Maps, I think it means Apple Maps. Blind Square will tell you
 when you read your destination if you set it to talk along with the other
 GPS program. I think another option to telling Blind Square not to run at
 the same time would be to turn off streets first if you were in a car and
 didn't want to hear every street. You could set it for My Places, and then
 it should tell you when you got there, even if the other GPS didn't. I
 believe I am correct on that.

 Gigi

 On Aug 26, 2014, at 8:33 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I prefer Apple Maps.

 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone

 On 27 Aug 2014, at 12:36, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Which one do you use?  I eventually had to uninstall scout maps and go
 back to google maps, which I had a love/hate relationship with, mostly
 because it didn't let me know when I'd reached my destination, which was
 frustrating for me.
 On Aug 26, 2014, at 4:06 PM, Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 It may not work with that application right now. I know it works with
 Seeing eye GPS, Google and apple maps, navigon, TomTom, and others. I don't
 have this other app that you do so I can't replicate this problem

 Matt Dierckens
 Macintosh Trainer
 Blind Access Training
 www.blindaccesstraining.com
 1-877-774-7670 ext. 3
 Work email:matt...@blindaccesstraining.com
 Personal email: matt.dierck...@gmail.com

 On Aug 26, 2014, at 15:48, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just downloaded the blind square app, and love it so far, but can't seem
 to find an option to use any gps apps other than google maps, which I don't
 have, and maps, which I almost never use, and would like to use scout maps,
 which I was under the impression I would be able to, sense the description
 says it would work with your choice of 3rd-party apps, then named about a
 ton of them.  Am I missing something here?
  I can't seem to find a help file any place, and can't find anything in
 the settings that says anything about which gps apps to use, so I'm really
 stumpt here.

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Re: No sound in iPhone 5S speaker...

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Have you rebooted your phone?

Br


On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 11:53 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Hi there
 I just had the same thing happened to me on my 5S also. I was running
 BlindSquare, and my phone went dead. At least, it might as well as them. I
 can get Siri to answer me, but nothing good happened. It would let me use
 the earphones, my sided husband had to bring up the volume while in music.
 Sincerely,
 Gigi

 Sent from my iPhone

  On Jul 13, 2014, at 3:36 PM, Jessica D jldai...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  did you get a defective device? did you call or email apple
 accessibility? To call them; dial, 18772043930 or to email them, send a
 message to accessibil...@apple.com.
  Hint: I find it quickest to call the number I gave above and actually
 talk to someone, they can insure that the problem gets to the correct
 department.
  you can email them, if you want, but I usually do not get an answer from
 a human.
  I hope this helps.
 
  Sent from my iPad
 
  On Jul 13, 2014, at 4:25 PM, David Hole balubathebr...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Hi folks.
 
  Hope someone can help me with the following issue:
  My iPhone 5S has no sound in either the speaker or earpice.
  I turned on and off VoiceOver to see if that's the issue, but no sound.
  When connecting the phone to an external speakers, there is sound, and
 I can hear VoiceOver.
  When calling, the one I'm calling hear me, but I can't hear them,
 unless I connect the phone to speakers or headphones.
  When seting up an alarm, there are sound in the speaker  when the alarm
 starts (also VoiceOver speaks), but when pressing the button the phone
 becomes silent again.
  Also, when people are calling me, I hear the calling sound (and
 VoiceOver), and when I accept the call, no sound either in the speaker or
 earpice.
 
  Have some of you been into this kind of issue before?
  Hope for some help.
 
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Re: Blind Square - help getting started please

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Hello!

I'm developer of the app. BlindSquare really doesn't need built-in
turn-by-turn, since it is always better if user can use best-of-best. It
varies by the location, if TomTon, Navigon, Google Maps or Apple Maps is
better than the other, so it is really the best choice to give user freedom
to pick the one he/she likes.

Luckily Apple provides their turn-by-turn also to 3rd party app developers,
so some day I'll add that as a built-in choice. Possibility to use 3rd
party apps doesn't go away and since Apple provides this option for free,
it will not affect price of the app.

Br, Ilkka


On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 8:06 PM, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se
wrote:

 Hi!
 Actually navigon or tomtom i guess is much more expensive.
 So yes its really worth the pricing.
 /A
 27 jun 2014 kl. 20:48 skrev Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com:

 It was on sale. It's seriously worth the price.
 Matt Dierckens
 Macintosh Trainer
 Blind Access Training
 www.blindaccesstraining.com
 1-877-774-7670 ext. 3
 matt...@blindaccesstraining.com
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 On Jun 27, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Jessica D jldai...@gmail.com wrote:

 When was it ever that low? The lowest I ever saw was $14.99, you would
 never convince me to pay that either.

 Sent from my iPhone

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 I think it is, then again, I did buy it when was $10. Still worth it
 though.
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 On Jun 27, 2014, at 2:02 PM, Jessica D jldai...@gmail.com wrote:

 I want to know what everyone thinks, is it worth the price?
 Thanks,
 Jessica

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 If either of you need assistance with blind square, I can be reached off
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 On Jun 27, 2014, at 11:42 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi Eleanor,

 This is the first chance I have had to open the app. I hope you have read
 the help info that is documented in the app. There are so many settings
 that you can select to make the experience of using Blind Square to your
 liking.

 To answer yourquestion about using Google Maps, this needs to be install
 on the phone first. When you open Blind Square, you can search for a
 location or open your My Places to select a destination. Once this is
 done, at the bottom of the screen in portrait mode you will hear VO annouce
 route or something like that. Double tap on this and a new screen will
 open. This is where you can choose the navigation apps for GPS. The native
 map will be listed, as well as any GPS apps that you have installed. Just
 double tap on one of them and  the GPS app will open. You then need to  use
 the GPS app as if you had opened it on its own. There are lots to learn
 about the app. I know that at applevis.com there have been podcasts
 produce on how to use the app. I would do a search for Blind Square to
 pull them up. HTH.

 Best,
 Eileen

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 26, 2014, at 11:34 PM, Eleanor Roberts 
 eleanor.robert...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi all

 Wondered if you could help me with this one. I've just bought Blind Square
 and put it on my IPhone, and was wondering if anyone could give me some
 hints and tips on how to get started please?? For example, do I need to get
 something like Google maps to use with it? If so how do I get the two to
 work together??

 Any help much appreciated, as I feel I'm plunging into the unknown!!

 Thanks.

 Eleanor

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Re: motionXgps drive.

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

I'm not sure what you mean. BlindSquare is global, it is used in 60
countries and it has been localised to 23 languages.
MotionX is US/Canada only.

Br, Ilkka


On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se
wrote:

 Hi!
 Sad!
 Or maybe i am not really familiar with blindsquare.
 /A
 27 jun 2014 kl. 13:39 skrev Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com:

  Hi,
  It's just for users in the U.S and Canada as far as i know.
  /Krister
 
  27 jun 2014 kl. 13:27 skrev Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se:
 
  Hi!
  Just a quicky from me.
  Is this gps app only for U.s users or can it be used anyway?
  /A
  26 jun 2014 kl. 17:30 skrev Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com:
 
  Jessica, I'm along - time user of motion X GPS Drive. I really like
 this app. In summary, I trust it. It's never failed me yet. Now, when you
 initially purchased it, it will cost you around one dollar. After that, for
 the voice guidance, you need to subscribe annually. It costs either nine or
 $10, depending on whether you want automatic subscription updates or not. I
 prefer the manual route, since I can control the updates. After all, there
 may be one that is in excess will. That hasn't happened yet. Make sure you
 get the app called motion X GPS Drive. There is another one called motion
 GPS and that is not accessible. I do like BlindSquare in combination with
 Google maps, but I find motion X to be my favorite commercial GPS
 application. One thing I like about it is you can insert stops along your
 route. I did this recently when our son needed to be picked up at the train
 station. We were going to someone's house for dinner, but we pick up our
 son first and I was able to insert this into the route before going on to
 the individuals home. That's a really nice feature. Anyway, I think you
 will like the app, but if you have more questions feel free to ask. Getting
 to the menu can be a little tricky, but I learned it is at the bottom right
 of the screen. Once activating the menu, you can choose all the relevant
 options and they work fine. Good luck.
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Jun 26, 2014, at 9:24 AM, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Sense scout maps has just about become unusable, and I've heard a lot
 of good things about motionX gps, I wanted to get some feedback from other
 people on this list who may have used it.  I looked at on applevis, but the
 info/reviews seem to be outdated sense there seem to be several updates to
 it sense those were posted, but from the reviews I read, everybody seemed
 to have nothing but good things to say about, and I love the fact that it
 reads street names, something scout does, but it refuses to read POI's
 anymore, and just reads them as this huge string of characters that doesn't
 mean anything.
 
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Re: motionXgps drive.

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Jessica, I suggest you read what BlindSquare can do from here:
http://blindsquare.com/help/
There is also links to podcasts.

Br, Ilkka


On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 7:14 PM, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com
wrote:

 That sounds cool, I think I need a memory refresher on what blindsquare
 does as opposed to your typical gps software, sense I unfortunately can't
 afford to buy both, and think $30 is a little steep.  Everything you just
 mentioned sounds great though, considering the fact that I've tried various
 gps apps, and unfortunately haven't been completly satisfied with any of
 them, and thankfully was given an Itunes giftcard for my birthday, so can
 afford to buy it now.

 On Jun 26, 2014, at 11:37 AM, Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I sometimes use blind square in combination with Motion, Motion for turn
 by turn, and blind square for everything else.
 Blindsquare is now $30 I believe.

 Matt Dierckens
 Macintosh Trainer
 Blind Access Training
 www.blindaccesstraining.com
 1-877-774-7670 ext. 3
 matt...@blindaccesstraining.com
 Introduction to the Macintosh Operating system and voiceover course
 available now. Take advantage of our 10% discount for the month of  June.
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 http://blindaccesstraining.com/training-courses/



 On Jun 26, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Jessica D jldai...@gmail.com wrote:

 A lot of my blind friends are talking about blind Square. When comparing
 both applications, which one would you say is more worth it.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 26, 2014, at 11:30 AM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote:

 Jessica, I'm along – time user of motion X GPS Drive. I really like this
 app. In summary, I trust it. It's never failed me yet. Now, when you
 initially purchased it, it will cost you around one dollar. After that, for
 the voice guidance, you need to subscribe annually. It costs either nine or
 $10, depending on whether you want automatic subscription updates or not. I
 prefer the manual route, since I can control the updates. After all, there
 may be one that is in excess will. That hasn't happened yet. Make sure you
 get the app called motion X GPS Drive. There is another one called motion
 GPS and that is not accessible. I do like BlindSquare in combination with
 Google maps, but I find motion X to be my favorite commercial GPS
 application. One thing I like about it is you can insert stops along your
 route. I did this recently when our son needed to be picked up at the train
 station. We were going to someone's house for dinner, but we pick up our
 son first and I was able to insert this into the route before going on to
 the individuals home. That's a really nice feature. Anyway, I think you
 will like the app, but if you have more questions feel free to ask. Getting
 to the menu can be a little tricky, but I learned it is at the bottom right
 of the screen. Once activating the menu, you can choose all the relevant
 options and they work fine. Good luck.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 26, 2014, at 9:24 AM, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Sense scout maps has just about become unusable, and I've heard a lot of
 good things about motionX gps, I wanted to get some feedback from other
 people on this list who may have used it.  I looked at on applevis, but the
 info/reviews seem to be outdated sense there seem to be several updates to
 it sense those were posted, but from the reviews I read, everybody seemed
 to have nothing but good things to say about, and I love the fact that it
 reads street names, something scout does, but it refuses to read POI's
 anymore, and just reads them as this huge string of characters that doesn't
 mean anything.

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Re: Gps finds the way

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Kawai, have you set alert distance for your stop?


On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:

 Lots of things as I know the Seeing App is fully VI friendly as it will
 tell you what is in front and what is coming up next which Blind Square
 lacks.  I don't want to open ten apps to get what I need as opening one app
 is enough.  On the bus even though I have not set a route it doesn't tell
 me where I am and I have almost missed my stop even though I've told it
 what to do.
 On 1 Sep 2013, at 16:39, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com wrote:

  What does it not do for you?
  On Sep 1, 2013, at 11:36 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 
  I've been using Blind Square for some time now and unfortunately, I
 don't think very much of it as it doesn't do what I want it to do.  I'm
 waiting for the Seeing Eye app to come out here in the UK.  When it does,
 Blind Square will be off my phone.
  On 1 Sep 2013, at 16:32, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  $24?  I checked it via the via app, and it still says $14, but maybe
 they haven't updated their info?
  Either way, I still don't have the money for it yet, but wish I did,
 sense it sounds amazing.
  On Sep 1, 2013, at 1:28 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa wrote:
 
  Jessica, price is USD 24 for that fun but it's one time fee and
 updates are free. Even that podcast was outdated since I have had 2 or 3
 updates after that, so now you have also possibility to use your Contacts
 lists, read Foursquare specials and tips, leave tips and more.
 
 
  On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Jessica Moss 
 junglebookfa...@gmail.com wrote:
  Cool podcast, thanx for the info on that; wish I had the $14 to shell
 out for it now.
 
  On Aug 30, 2013, at 12:27 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa wrote:
 
  Jessica, BlindSquare is designed for visually impaired, so it is
 very fluent to use. For example, there is just one search box where you
 type any search term. It will find places by name, address, your contacts
 by name, address or company, categories matching search term etc. From
 search results you have options like make a phone call, google it,
 show restaurant menu, simulate location (you can visit there at
 home). You can also set alert distance for the place, so for example, if
 you simulated your destination at home and found nearest bus stop, you can
 set alert distance of 300 meters for that stop, so you will get alerted
 when you need to get off. There is also button to Plan a route. It will
 list you all navigation apps you have installed (Google Maps, TomTom,
 Navigon, Waze etc.) and when selected, you will have that 3rd party app
 running, destination is selected and you will get spoken turn-by-turn.
 BlindSquare will stay on background adding information about your address,
 intersections and nearby places while you go.
 
  You will learn most of it's features by listening this podcast:
 http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/blindsquare-feature-packed-navigational-tool-blind-ios-users
  Some more features:
 https://audioboo.fm/boos/1497058-blindsqare-news-podcast-1-for-release-1-43
  Walking demo:
 https://audioboo.fm/boos/178-blindsquare-walking-demo-using-google-maps
 
 
 
  On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 4:00 AM, Jessica Moss 
 junglebookfa...@gmail.com wrote:
  Ok, I'm really confused here.  I've started trying to use google
 maps, for example, and have a love-hate relationship with it, considering
 the fact that I love the idea that unlike mapquest, the search feature as
 far as finding a location such as pizza hut, is so much easier, however,
 I don't like the fact that you can't access your contact info like you can
 with map quest/apple maps, which is something I do really frequently.
  Also, I've found that in a lot of cases, its acuracy can be really
 off when navigating, and was wondering if anyone else has ever had this
 issue.  Something else I was curious about, what's the difference between
 using blindsquare with an app like google maps, and just using google maps,
 for example, by itself?
  On Aug 29, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
 
  I actually use GPS more for telling me streets and places than
 directions. While it's certainly no substitute for a cane or guide dog and
 good travel skills, for me it's just as important. I remember back in 2009,
 this was when I was using way finder on a Nokia Symbian phone, I had gone
 out for a nice long walk, on the way home, one of the streets had an
 interesting curve in it and I found myself in a different place than I
 expected. I probably would not have gotten back on track had it not been
 for the GPS program, and it was kind of late so there was no one around to
 ask. These days, having nearby explorer on my android devices, and the
 sendero seeing eye app and blindsquare on my iphone are good things for
 sure.
  Original message:
  Wow, Cheree! what a story!
 
  Glad you had friends you could call and that all worked out well!
 :)
 
  I love the fact that GPS apps are so prevalent

Re: Gps finds the way

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

If you set it for example to 300 meters, you will never miss it.


On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:

 Yes.  I was at the stop when I set it.
 On 1 Sep 2013, at 17:08, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Kawai, have you set alert distance for your stop?
 
 
  On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:
  Lots of things as I know the Seeing App is fully VI friendly as it will
 tell you what is in front and what is coming up next which Blind Square
 lacks.  I don't want to open ten apps to get what I need as opening one app
 is enough.  On the bus even though I have not set a route it doesn't tell
 me where I am and I have almost missed my stop even though I've told it
 what to do.
  On 1 Sep 2013, at 16:39, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   What does it not do for you?
   On Sep 1, 2013, at 11:36 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
  
   I've been using Blind Square for some time now and unfortunately, I
 don't think very much of it as it doesn't do what I want it to do.  I'm
 waiting for the Seeing Eye app to come out here in the UK.  When it does,
 Blind Square will be off my phone.
   On 1 Sep 2013, at 16:32, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  
   $24?  I checked it via the via app, and it still says $14, but
 maybe they haven't updated their info?
   Either way, I still don't have the money for it yet, but wish I did,
 sense it sounds amazing.
   On Sep 1, 2013, at 1:28 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa wrote:
  
   Jessica, price is USD 24 for that fun but it's one time fee and
 updates are free. Even that podcast was outdated since I have had 2 or 3
 updates after that, so now you have also possibility to use your Contacts
 lists, read Foursquare specials and tips, leave tips and more.
  
  
   On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Jessica Moss 
 junglebookfa...@gmail.com wrote:
   Cool podcast, thanx for the info on that; wish I had the $14 to
 shell out for it now.
  
   On Aug 30, 2013, at 12:27 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa wrote:
  
   Jessica, BlindSquare is designed for visually impaired, so it is
 very fluent to use. For example, there is just one search box where you
 type any search term. It will find places by name, address, your contacts
 by name, address or company, categories matching search term etc. From
 search results you have options like make a phone call, google it,
 show restaurant menu, simulate location (you can visit there at
 home). You can also set alert distance for the place, so for example, if
 you simulated your destination at home and found nearest bus stop, you can
 set alert distance of 300 meters for that stop, so you will get alerted
 when you need to get off. There is also button to Plan a route. It will
 list you all navigation apps you have installed (Google Maps, TomTom,
 Navigon, Waze etc.) and when selected, you will have that 3rd party app
 running, destination is selected and you will get spoken turn-by-turn.
 BlindSquare will stay on background adding information about your address,
 intersections and nearby places while you go.
  
   You will learn most of it's features by listening this podcast:
 http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/blindsquare-feature-packed-navigational-tool-blind-ios-users
   Some more features:
 https://audioboo.fm/boos/1497058-blindsqare-news-podcast-1-for-release-1-43
   Walking demo:
 https://audioboo.fm/boos/178-blindsquare-walking-demo-using-google-maps
  
  
  
   On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 4:00 AM, Jessica Moss 
 junglebookfa...@gmail.com wrote:
   Ok, I'm really confused here.  I've started trying to use google
 maps, for example, and have a love-hate relationship with it, considering
 the fact that I love the idea that unlike mapquest, the search feature as
 far as finding a location such as pizza hut, is so much easier, however,
 I don't like the fact that you can't access your contact info like you can
 with map quest/apple maps, which is something I do really frequently.
   Also, I've found that in a lot of cases, its acuracy can be really
 off when navigating, and was wondering if anyone else has ever had this
 issue.  Something else I was curious about, what's the difference between
 using blindsquare with an app like google maps, and just using google maps,
 for example, by itself?
   On Aug 29, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
  
   I actually use GPS more for telling me streets and places than
 directions. While it's certainly no substitute for a cane or guide dog and
 good travel skills, for me it's just as important. I remember back in 2009,
 this was when I was using way finder on a Nokia Symbian phone, I had gone
 out for a nice long walk, on the way home, one of the streets had an
 interesting curve in it and I found myself in a different place than I
 expected. I probably would not have gotten back on track had it not been
 for the GPS program, and it was kind of late so there was no one around to
 ask. These days, having nearby

Re: Gps finds the way

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

...and you don't have to be there. You can do it from home. If you need to
find it, you can simulate place nearby and then search for bus stops.


On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Ilkka Pirttimaa
ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.comwrote:

 If you set it for example to 300 meters, you will never miss it.


 On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:

 Yes.  I was at the stop when I set it.
 On 1 Sep 2013, at 17:08, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Kawai, have you set alert distance for your stop?
 
 
  On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:
  Lots of things as I know the Seeing App is fully VI friendly as it will
 tell you what is in front and what is coming up next which Blind Square
 lacks.  I don't want to open ten apps to get what I need as opening one app
 is enough.  On the bus even though I have not set a route it doesn't tell
 me where I am and I have almost missed my stop even though I've told it
 what to do.
  On 1 Sep 2013, at 16:39, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   What does it not do for you?
   On Sep 1, 2013, at 11:36 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
  
   I've been using Blind Square for some time now and unfortunately, I
 don't think very much of it as it doesn't do what I want it to do.  I'm
 waiting for the Seeing Eye app to come out here in the UK.  When it does,
 Blind Square will be off my phone.
   On 1 Sep 2013, at 16:32, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  
   $24?  I checked it via the via app, and it still says $14, but
 maybe they haven't updated their info?
   Either way, I still don't have the money for it yet, but wish I
 did, sense it sounds amazing.
   On Sep 1, 2013, at 1:28 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa wrote:
  
   Jessica, price is USD 24 for that fun but it's one time fee and
 updates are free. Even that podcast was outdated since I have had 2 or 3
 updates after that, so now you have also possibility to use your Contacts
 lists, read Foursquare specials and tips, leave tips and more.
  
  
   On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Jessica Moss 
 junglebookfa...@gmail.com wrote:
   Cool podcast, thanx for the info on that; wish I had the $14 to
 shell out for it now.
  
   On Aug 30, 2013, at 12:27 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa wrote:
  
   Jessica, BlindSquare is designed for visually impaired, so it is
 very fluent to use. For example, there is just one search box where you
 type any search term. It will find places by name, address, your contacts
 by name, address or company, categories matching search term etc. From
 search results you have options like make a phone call, google it,
 show restaurant menu, simulate location (you can visit there at
 home). You can also set alert distance for the place, so for example, if
 you simulated your destination at home and found nearest bus stop, you can
 set alert distance of 300 meters for that stop, so you will get alerted
 when you need to get off. There is also button to Plan a route. It will
 list you all navigation apps you have installed (Google Maps, TomTom,
 Navigon, Waze etc.) and when selected, you will have that 3rd party app
 running, destination is selected and you will get spoken turn-by-turn.
 BlindSquare will stay on background adding information about your address,
 intersections and nearby places while you go.
  
   You will learn most of it's features by listening this podcast:
 http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/blindsquare-feature-packed-navigational-tool-blind-ios-users
   Some more features:
 https://audioboo.fm/boos/1497058-blindsqare-news-podcast-1-for-release-1-43
   Walking demo:
 https://audioboo.fm/boos/178-blindsquare-walking-demo-using-google-maps
  
  
  
   On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 4:00 AM, Jessica Moss 
 junglebookfa...@gmail.com wrote:
   Ok, I'm really confused here.  I've started trying to use google
 maps, for example, and have a love-hate relationship with it, considering
 the fact that I love the idea that unlike mapquest, the search feature as
 far as finding a location such as pizza hut, is so much easier, however,
 I don't like the fact that you can't access your contact info like you can
 with map quest/apple maps, which is something I do really frequently.
   Also, I've found that in a lot of cases, its acuracy can be
 really off when navigating, and was wondering if anyone else has ever had
 this issue.  Something else I was curious about, what's the difference
 between using blindsquare with an app like google maps, and just using
 google maps, for example, by itself?
   On Aug 29, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
  
   I actually use GPS more for telling me streets and places than
 directions. While it's certainly no substitute for a cane or guide dog and
 good travel skills, for me it's just as important. I remember back in 2009,
 this was when I was using way finder on a Nokia Symbian phone, I had gone
 out for a nice long walk, on the way home, one of the streets had an
 interesting curve

Re: Gps finds the way

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Jessica, price is USD 24 for that fun but it's one time fee and updates are
free. Even that podcast was outdated since I have had 2 or 3 updates after
that, so now you have also possibility to use your Contacts lists, read
Foursquare specials and tips, leave tips and more.


On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.comwrote:

 Cool podcast, thanx for the info on that; wish I had the $14 to shell out
 for it now.

 On Aug 30, 2013, at 12:27 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa wrote:

 Jessica, BlindSquare is designed for visually impaired, so it is very
 fluent to use. For example, there is just one search box where you type any
 search term. It will find places by name, address, your contacts by name,
 address or company, categories matching search term etc. From search
 results you have options like make a phone call, google it, show
 restaurant menu, simulate location (you can visit there at home). You
 can also set alert distance for the place, so for example, if you simulated
 your destination at home and found nearest bus stop, you can set alert
 distance of 300 meters for that stop, so you will get alerted when you need
 to get off. There is also button to Plan a route. It will list you all
 navigation apps you have installed (Google Maps, TomTom, Navigon, Waze
 etc.) and when selected, you will have that 3rd party app running,
 destination is selected and you will get spoken turn-by-turn. BlindSquare
 will stay on background adding information about your address,
 intersections and nearby places while you go.

 You will learn most of it's features by listening this podcast:
 http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/blindsquare-feature-packed-navigational-tool-blind-ios-users
 Some more features:
 https://audioboo.fm/boos/1497058-blindsqare-news-podcast-1-for-release-1-43
 Walking demo:
 https://audioboo.fm/boos/178-blindsquare-walking-demo-using-google-maps



 On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 4:00 AM, Jessica Moss 
 junglebookfa...@gmail.comwrote:

 Ok, I'm really confused here.  I've started trying to use google maps,
 for example, and have a love-hate relationship with it, considering the
 fact that I love the idea that unlike mapquest, the search feature as far
 as finding a location such as pizza hut, is so much easier, however, I
 don't like the fact that you can't access your contact info like you can
 with map quest/apple maps, which is something I do really frequently.
   Also, I've found that in a lot of cases, its acuracy can be really off
 when navigating, and was wondering if anyone else has ever had this issue.
  Something else I was curious about, what's the difference between using
 blindsquare with an app like google maps, and just using google maps, for
 example, by itself?
 On Aug 29, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

  I actually use GPS more for telling me streets and places than
 directions. While it's certainly no substitute for a cane or guide dog and
 good travel skills, for me it's just as important. I remember back in 2009,
 this was when I was using way finder on a Nokia Symbian phone, I had gone
 out for a nice long walk, on the way home, one of the streets had an
 interesting curve in it and I found myself in a different place than I
 expected. I probably would not have gotten back on track had it not been
 for the GPS program, and it was kind of late so there was no one around to
 ask. These days, having nearby explorer on my android devices, and the
 sendero seeing eye app and blindsquare on my iphone are good things for
 sure.
  Original message:
  Wow, Cheree! what a story!
 
  Glad you had friends you could call and that all worked out well! :)
 
  I love the fact that GPS apps are so prevalent on mobile platforms
 now. -And that so many of them are at least usable for us. It's very
 freeing when you think about it. :)
 
  In addition to assisting people you are with, they can go a long way
 to helping people get acquainted with their environments so that we can
 really get a better sense of our surroundings.
 
  Thanks for sharing and have a wonderful night!
 
  Smiles,
 
  Cara :)
  On Aug 28, 2013, at 9:08 PM, Cheree Heppe che...@dogsc4me.com wrote:
 
  Cheree Heppe here:
 
  The use of the GPS in a car could only have happened to somebody in a
 sit-com, but, trust me, it happened to my friends and me this afternoon.
  A pair of apparently solid sandals that I wore to work completely
 broke down, leaving me the choice of walking in my nearly bare feet over
 questionably clear sidewalks and streets to get home.  I decided that would
 be a very risky plan and phoned a family I have known for some years with
 an emergency plea for transport or to borrow a pair of shoes.  All of the
 girls and their mother wear the same size shoe as I do.
  The mom, Carolyn, agreed to pick me up after my work day and drive me
 home and share a pair of shoes until I could step on to home turf and
 return them.
  At about 17:25, long after I got outside in my nearly bare

Re: Gps finds the way

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Jessica, BlindSquare is designed for visually impaired, so it is very
fluent to use. For example, there is just one search box where you type any
search term. It will find places by name, address, your contacts by name,
address or company, categories matching search term etc. From search
results you have options like make a phone call, google it, show
restaurant menu, simulate location (you can visit there at home). You
can also set alert distance for the place, so for example, if you simulated
your destination at home and found nearest bus stop, you can set alert
distance of 300 meters for that stop, so you will get alerted when you need
to get off. There is also button to Plan a route. It will list you all
navigation apps you have installed (Google Maps, TomTom, Navigon, Waze
etc.) and when selected, you will have that 3rd party app running,
destination is selected and you will get spoken turn-by-turn. BlindSquare
will stay on background adding information about your address,
intersections and nearby places while you go.

You will learn most of it's features by listening this podcast:
http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/blindsquare-feature-packed-navigational-tool-blind-ios-users
Some more features:
https://audioboo.fm/boos/1497058-blindsqare-news-podcast-1-for-release-1-43
Walking demo:
https://audioboo.fm/boos/178-blindsquare-walking-demo-using-google-maps



On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 4:00 AM, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.comwrote:

 Ok, I'm really confused here.  I've started trying to use google maps, for
 example, and have a love-hate relationship with it, considering the fact
 that I love the idea that unlike mapquest, the search feature as far as
 finding a location such as pizza hut, is so much easier, however, I don't
 like the fact that you can't access your contact info like you can with map
 quest/apple maps, which is something I do really frequently.
   Also, I've found that in a lot of cases, its acuracy can be really off
 when navigating, and was wondering if anyone else has ever had this issue.
  Something else I was curious about, what's the difference between using
 blindsquare with an app like google maps, and just using google maps, for
 example, by itself?
 On Aug 29, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

  I actually use GPS more for telling me streets and places than
 directions. While it's certainly no substitute for a cane or guide dog and
 good travel skills, for me it's just as important. I remember back in 2009,
 this was when I was using way finder on a Nokia Symbian phone, I had gone
 out for a nice long walk, on the way home, one of the streets had an
 interesting curve in it and I found myself in a different place than I
 expected. I probably would not have gotten back on track had it not been
 for the GPS program, and it was kind of late so there was no one around to
 ask. These days, having nearby explorer on my android devices, and the
 sendero seeing eye app and blindsquare on my iphone are good things for
 sure.
  Original message:
  Wow, Cheree! what a story!
 
  Glad you had friends you could call and that all worked out well! :)
 
  I love the fact that GPS apps are so prevalent on mobile platforms now.
 -And that so many of them are at least usable for us. It's very freeing
 when you think about it. :)
 
  In addition to assisting people you are with, they can go a long way to
 helping people get acquainted with their environments so that we can really
 get a better sense of our surroundings.
 
  Thanks for sharing and have a wonderful night!
 
  Smiles,
 
  Cara :)
  On Aug 28, 2013, at 9:08 PM, Cheree Heppe che...@dogsc4me.com wrote:
 
  Cheree Heppe here:
 
  The use of the GPS in a car could only have happened to somebody in a
 sit-com, but, trust me, it happened to my friends and me this afternoon.
  A pair of apparently solid sandals that I wore to work completely broke
 down, leaving me the choice of walking in my nearly bare feet over
 questionably clear sidewalks and streets to get home.  I decided that would
 be a very risky plan and phoned a family I have known for some years with
 an emergency plea for transport or to borrow a pair of shoes.  All of the
 girls and their mother wear the same size shoe as I do.
  The mom, Carolyn, agreed to pick me up after my work day and drive me
 home and share a pair of shoes until I could step on to home turf and
 return them.
  At about 17:25, long after I got outside in my nearly bare feet, they
 hadn't arrived.  Two phone calls determined that Carolyn had parked her SUV
 in one of those self-serve parking garages and walked several blocks to me.
  When Carolyn and her daughter, Hannah, saw me outide my building, they
 simultaneously realized that they'd forgotten the loaner pair of shoes in
 their car.
  Carolyn wore a double pair of socks and let me slip into her sneakers.
  We carefully, for Carolyn's sake, wended our way to find the building and
 her SUV.
  Once up the ramps and at the car, we 

Re: a small gps victory

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Ray: Google Maps provides spoken turn-by-turn also when you are walking.

Here is podcast that gives you a good view about experience you get when
you use Google Maps together with BlindSquare:
https://audioboo.fm/boos/178-blindsquare-walking-demo-using-google-maps


On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.comwrote:

 Ok Jean, how in the world do you get Google Maps to even work Solo?  I've
 tried using it without Blindsquare, which I can't afford right now, and
 have found it not only to be pretty much unusable with voiceover, but can't
 find half the cities in Florida that I know obviously exist, Jacksonville
 and St. Augustine being 2 of them.
   So after about 2 or 3 tries with it, I just uninstalled it, and tried
 again with Apple maps, and went back to altering between that and mapquest,
 sense I have likes and dislikes about both of them.
 On Aug 21, 2013, at 10:08 PM, Cheree Heppe wrote:

  Cheree Heppe here:
  Experiences like these are exactly the justification for universal
 accessibility.
  More power to you and all of us!
 
  Regards,
  Cheree Heppe
 
 
  Sent from my IPhone 4S
 
  On 21/08/2013, at 14:34, jean parker radiofore...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Dear all:
  After listening to Mike Orego's podcast on using google maps I decided
 to give it a try.  As it turned out I am very glad I did.
  Last Saturday evening, middle of the night really, I was returning to
 Pasadena from Urvine California where I had been attending a conference
 with some friends.  None of us were familiar with the Los Angeles freeway
 system, possibly the largest, most complex freeway system in the world, and
 we became hopelessly lost.  So upon request from the driver of the car I
 got out my new I-Phone, opened up google maps, found our location and
 successfully navigated us all back to Pasadena where we belonged.
 
  I never thought in a million years I would ever be called upon to
 navigate the L A freeways but I have done it and plan to do it some more.
  Just thought I would share,
  Jean
 
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Re: Third Party Turn-by-Turn Direction Apps with Blindsquare (was, Seeing Eye GPS)

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Have you listened this:
http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/demonstration-blindsquare-and-5-mainstream-gps-apps-ios

In this podcast, Mike Arrigo compares Google
Maps,http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/stat?id=NXRC4Doe7/Eofferid=146261type=3subid=0tmpid=1826RD_PARM1=https%253A%252F%252Fitunes.apple.com%252Fus%252Fapp%252Fgoogle-maps%252Fid585027354%253Fmt%253D8%2526uo%253D4%2526partnerId%253D30
 MotionX GPS 
Drive,http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/stat?id=NXRC4Doe7/Eofferid=146261type=3subid=0tmpid=1826RD_PARM1=https%253A%252F%252Fitunes.apple.com%252Fus%252Fapp%252Fmotionx-gps-drive%252Fid328095974%253Fmt%253D8%2526uo%253D4%2526partnerId%253D30
 Garmin 
USA,http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/stat?id=NXRC4Doe7/Eofferid=146261type=3subid=0tmpid=1826RD_PARM1=https%253A%252F%252Fitunes.apple.com%252Fus%252Fapp%252Fgarmin-u.s.a.%252Fid435490305%253Fmt%253D8%2526uo%253D4%2526partnerId%253D30
 
Navigon,http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/stat?id=NXRC4Doe7/Eofferid=146261type=3subid=0tmpid=1826RD_PARM1=https%253A%252F%252Fitunes.apple.com%252Fus%252Fapp%252Fnavigon-north-america%252Fid321506742%253Fmt%253D8%2526uo%253D4%2526partnerId%253D30
 and 
TomTomhttp://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/stat?id=NXRC4Doe7/Eofferid=146261type=3subid=0tmpid=1826RD_PARM1=https%253A%252F%252Fitunes.apple.com%252Fus%252Fapp%252Ftomtom-u.s.a.%252Fid343289842%253Fmt%253D8%2526uo%253D4%2526partnerId%253D30
when
going on a walking route. He also demonstrates using
BlindSquarehttp://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/stat?id=NXRC4Doe7/Eofferid=146261type=3subid=0tmpid=1826RD_PARM1=https%253A%252F%252Fitunes.apple.com%252Fus%252Fapp%252Fblindsquare%252Fid500557255%253Fmt%253D8%2526uo%253D4%2526partnerId%253D30
to
tell him of points of interest nearby.


On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.comwrote:

 I was actually wondering the same thing.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 9, 2013, at 9:26 PM, Nicholas Parsons 
 mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi Motion X users,
  What does Motion X offer that free solutions such as Google and Apple
 Maps do not?
  thanks,
  Nic
 
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Re: Third Party Turn-by-Turn Direction Apps with Blindsquare (was, Seeing Eye GPS)

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Seeing Eye GPS doesn't have API that could be used to connect into it. As
soon it gets one, it will be available also in BlindSquare.

BlindSquare has such API so other apps can connect into it:
http://blindsquare.com/api/1-0/
In next version there will be even more possibilities, like starting
Search, Navigation, add POI, starting Look Around etc..


On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Hi guys
 I have tried BlindSquare with Navigon, and it works fine. I did try to
 send co-ordinates to The Seeing Eye GPS, and BlindSquare didn't recognize
 it. I guess because it's new.

 I have discovered that I would rather send co-ordinates from BlindSquare
 than type the address in to Navigon. I like its searches better.

 Regards,
 Gigi

 On Aug 10, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Have you listened this:
 http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/demonstration-blindsquare-and-5-mainstream-gps-apps-ios

 In this podcast, Mike Arrigo compares Google 
 Maps,http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/stat?id=NXRC4Doe7/Eofferid=146261type=3subid=0tmpid=1826RD_PARM1=https%253A%252F%252Fitunes.apple.com%252Fus%252Fapp%252Fgoogle-maps%252Fid585027354%253Fmt%253D8%2526uo%253D4%2526partnerId%253D30
  MotionX GPS 
 Drive,http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/stat?id=NXRC4Doe7/Eofferid=146261type=3subid=0tmpid=1826RD_PARM1=https%253A%252F%252Fitunes.apple.com%252Fus%252Fapp%252Fmotionx-gps-drive%252Fid328095974%253Fmt%253D8%2526uo%253D4%2526partnerId%253D30
  Garmin 
 USA,http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/stat?id=NXRC4Doe7/Eofferid=146261type=3subid=0tmpid=1826RD_PARM1=https%253A%252F%252Fitunes.apple.com%252Fus%252Fapp%252Fgarmin-u.s.a.%252Fid435490305%253Fmt%253D8%2526uo%253D4%2526partnerId%253D30
  
 Navigon,http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/stat?id=NXRC4Doe7/Eofferid=146261type=3subid=0tmpid=1826RD_PARM1=https%253A%252F%252Fitunes.apple.com%252Fus%252Fapp%252Fnavigon-north-america%252Fid321506742%253Fmt%253D8%2526uo%253D4%2526partnerId%253D30
  and 
 TomTomhttp://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/stat?id=NXRC4Doe7/Eofferid=146261type=3subid=0tmpid=1826RD_PARM1=https%253A%252F%252Fitunes.apple.com%252Fus%252Fapp%252Ftomtom-u.s.a.%252Fid343289842%253Fmt%253D8%2526uo%253D4%2526partnerId%253D30
  when
 going on a walking route. He also demonstrates using 
 BlindSquarehttp://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/stat?id=NXRC4Doe7/Eofferid=146261type=3subid=0tmpid=1826RD_PARM1=https%253A%252F%252Fitunes.apple.com%252Fus%252Fapp%252Fblindsquare%252Fid500557255%253Fmt%253D8%2526uo%253D4%2526partnerId%253D30
  to
 tell him of points of interest nearby.


 On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Jessica Moss 
 junglebookfa...@gmail.comwrote:

 I was actually wondering the same thing.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 9, 2013, at 9:26 PM, Nicholas Parsons 
 mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi Motion X users,
  What does Motion X offer that free solutions such as Google and Apple
 Maps do not?
  thanks,
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Re: blind square

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

There is separate volume setting for Acapela voices in settings. You can 
balance volume with VoiceOver using that.

If you favourite a place, then you will hear also arrival and bypass 
announcements.

I'm not sure if this is what you meant, but let me know!

Lähetetty iPhonesta

Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com kirjoitti 12.7.2013 kello 13.50:

 Hi guys
 Earlier it was asked about features that we would like for BlindSquare. Now 
 that I've had it for a while, a short while to be true, I have a couple of 
 ideas.
 
 First, I think the meet speech mode should be available on all BlindSquare 
 screens. This is because I'm having to turn the volume down on my headphones, 
 and voiceover is very low to the point where I can't hear it when I'm done 
 that. Also, I got a phone call the other day, and I couldn't hear and I had 
 to start raising the volume on the headphone before I could talk on the call. 
 So, I'm not sure what all can be done about this completely, but that would 
 be beneficial.
 
 Another feature, and I don't know if this is possible, would be to be able to 
 choose a location that you heard when you were passing it so that you would 
 be notified when you got there. Or, maybe you could put it on your favorites 
 right then and there. This is just some ideas.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 12, 2013, at 4:39 AM, Cheree Heppe che...@dogsc4me.com wrote:
 
 Cheree Heppe here:
 On my commute this afternoon, I tried blind square on the bus.
 Sure enough, I got readouts of passing stores and learned more about my new 
 area.  For instance, there is a Pendleton outlet store at a bus stop on my 
 way home.  Good-bye fat wallet!
 When I neared my place, which I have as a favorite, the app made a chiming 
 tone and announced the address.  As the bus left my location toward the 
 transit center, the app gave a descending chime.
 I was also able to find a place new to me while walking.
 
 
 Regaards,
 Cheree Heppe
 
 
 Sent from my IPhone 4S
 
 On 09/07/2013, at 3:45, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I can tell you what happens there. So, BlindSquare can work inside shopping 
 malls pretty well. Like you know, positioning in iOS devices is not only 
 based on GPS but also cell tower and wifi radios around you. It means, 
 BlindSquare will know your rough position and adapt annoucements according 
 to that. 
 
 If distance to the place is below current location accuracy, you will not 
 hear direction and you will hear word about before distance. If you 
 increase notification distance, you will hear more places with clockface 
 information.
 
 You can also start tracking a place that is - let's say - 150 meters from 
 you. You will probably hear distance and clockface for half of the way 
 there. 
 
 I'm pretty sure that in the future indoor positioning will get better and 
 better. Couple months ago, Apple acquired a company 
 (http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/03/23/apple-buys-indoor-gps-company-wifislam-for-20m)
  for 20 million dollars who had working prototype on Android devices. Their 
 system uses knowledge of wifi radio signals to get location with accuracy of 
 few meters.  
 
 In Finland we have startup called Indoor Atlas (http://www.indooratlas.com). 
 With their technology, one can record static magnetic fields inside 
 buildings. You can then use your mobile devices magnetometer to calculate 
 fingerprint and get your location inside that building.
 
 So within next few years, it becomes really interesting to have more 
 navigation possibilities also inside buildings!
 
 
 On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 Hello guys
 I foundw out something about BlindSquare yesterday that I was most 
 impressed with. I almost didn't test it out, because I figured no GPS 
 program would do this anyway.
 
 Yesterday, I went to Northpark mall to the Apple Store I left BlindSquare 
 running.  It started telling me about a lot of the stores as I was passing. 
 The only thing is, and I understand why, it didn't tell me left or right 
 but it did give distance.
 
 Oh, for those of you on this list like myself who are in the Dallas 
 metroplex area, they slightly moved the Apple store. It looks enough 
 different that my poor dog couldn't find it. I had to ask. It's still the 
 busiest place in the mall. It's three times bigger.
 Regards,
 Gigi
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 9, 2013, at 1:25 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Jonathan, I have heard rumour that 3rd party applications wouldn't get you 
 to mayor and it would be shame if Foursquare API's would work that way. I 
 actually don't know. I don't play so much that I would know from my own 
 experience. I found some conversations that says that 3rd party apps has 
 just the same features: 
 https://getsatisfaction.com/foursquare/topics/3rd_party_app_checkins_vs_official_app
 
 I have earned my badges by using BlindSquare. 
 
 
 On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 3:30

Re: blind square

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Yes, in Tools there is Recent Places. There you get list what you just heard 
and then favourite it.

Eugenia, I don't mean voiceover setting. In BlindSquare, go to Other/Settings. 
You'll find setting for speech speed and volume.

Lähetetty iPhonesta

Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com kirjoitti 12.7.2013 kello 15.15:

 Hi!
 I do believe that one of the options when your on route is to hear again a 
 list of places you've gone passed!
 And if you pick the one you want I suppose it will let you edit it!
 Have you heard the podcast [I do not have the link sorry] it tells you all 
 about hearing that list as well as a lot of other stuff!
 HTH Colin
 
 On 12 Jul 2013, at 12:50, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi again
 I will check out the settings on voiceover like you said, but I think it 
 means that if I raise the voiceover volume the speech volume on BlindSquare 
 might be too loud at times. But I will find out.
 
 I know I can do a search and make a place a favourite.  However, I had in 
 mind that you heard something that you didn't know about, so you decide to 
 make it a favourite without having to do a search. Like I said, I don't even 
 know if this is possible.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 12, 2013, at 6:46 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 There is separate volume setting for Acapela voices in settings. You can 
 balance volume with VoiceOver using that.
 
 If you favourite a place, then you will hear also arrival and bypass 
 announcements.
 
 I'm not sure if this is what you meant, but let me know!
 
 Lähetetty iPhonesta
 
 Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com kirjoitti 12.7.2013 kello 13.50:
 
 Hi guys
 Earlier it was asked about features that we would like for BlindSquare. 
 Now that I've had it for a while, a short while to be true, I have a 
 couple of ideas.
 
 First, I think the meet speech mode should be available on all BlindSquare 
 screens. This is because I'm having to turn the volume down on my 
 headphones, and voiceover is very low to the point where I can't hear it 
 when I'm done that. Also, I got a phone call the other day, and I couldn't 
 hear and I had to start raising the volume on the headphone before I could 
 talk on the call. So, I'm not sure what all can be done about this 
 completely, but that would be beneficial.
 
 Another feature, and I don't know if this is possible, would be to be able 
 to choose a location that you heard when you were passing it so that you 
 would be notified when you got there. Or, maybe you could put it on your 
 favourites right then and there. This is just some ideas.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 12, 2013, at 4:39 AM, Cheree Heppe che...@dogsc4me.com wrote:
 
 Cheree Heppe here:
 On my commute this afternoon, I tried blind square on the bus.
 Sure enough, I got readouts of passing stores and learned more about my 
 new area.  For instance, there is a Pendleton outlet store at a bus stop 
 on my way home.  Good-bye fat wallet!
 When I neared my place, which I have as a favourite, the app made a 
 chiming tone and announced the address.  As the bus left my location 
 toward the transit center, the app gave a descending chime.
 I was also able to find a place new to me while walking.
 
 
 Regards,
 Cheree Heppe
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone 4S
 
 On 09/07/2013, at 3:45, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I can tell you what happens there. So, BlindSquare can work inside 
 shopping malls pretty well. Like you know, positioning in iOS devices is 
 not only based on GPS but also cell tower and wifi radios around you. It 
 means, BlindSquare will know your rough position and adapt announcements 
 according to that. 
 
 If distance to the place is below current location accuracy, you will not 
 hear direction and you will hear word about before distance. If you 
 increase notification distance, you will hear more places with clock face 
 information.
 
 You can also start tracking a place that is - let's say - 150 meters from 
 you. You will probably hear distance and clock face for half of the way 
 there. 
 
 I'm pretty sure that in the future indoor positioning will get better and 
 better. Couple months ago, Apple acquired a company 
 (http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/03/23/apple-buys-indoor-gps-company-wifislam-for-20m)
  for 20 million dollars who had working prototype on Android devices. 
 Their system uses knowledge of wifi radio signals to get location with 
 accuracy of few meters.  
 
 In Finland we have startup called Indoor Atlas 
 (http://www.indooratlas.com). With their technology, one can record 
 static magnetic fields inside buildings. You can then use your mobile 
 devices magnetometer to calculate fingerprint and get your location 
 inside that building.
 
 So within next few years, it becomes really interesting to have more 
 navigation possibilities also inside buildings!
 
 
 On Tue., Jul 9, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote

Re: So, this Blindsquare thing...

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

1) Kind of. It itself has this getting warm, but it supports many 3rd party 
apps that you can be launched directly from BSq: TomTom, Navigon, MotionX, 
Google Maps, Apple maps etc. Since BlindSquare can run on backgrpund, you will 
get best of both worlds. For example Navigon is giving turn-by-turn and 
BlindSquare is adding street info, intersections and information about 
surrounding places on top of that. In-app turn-by-turn is something that is 
planned into future, but superior support for 3rd party apps you might already 
have will never go away

2) Sure you can. They are saved to iCloud, so they are shared among all your 
iOS devices and when switching to new phone, all settings and POIs follow 
automatically.

3) Yes it does. It announces street addresses with numbers and  intersections 
both in pedestrian and faster speeds. It can announce intersections in high 
speed also

4) Pretty close but it varies fro many factors. If you track Foursquare place, 
t doesn'teven try to get closer than 16 meters since we don't know nothing 
about accuracy of original POI. If you reset lcation for that or create your 
own POI, also accuracy is saved to iCloud, in the case that accuracy of POI and 
your current accuracy is good, it will guide you just to the edge of accuracy 
(like 7 meters). That way it can give it's final announcement with clockface 
information about direction

To get good overview of the app, please listen to this podcast: 
http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/blindsquare-feature-packed-navigational-tool-blind-ios-users

BR, Ilkka, BlindSquare app developer
Lähetetty iPadista

Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com kirjoitti 12.7.2013 kello 15.47:

 Hi all,
 All this talk about Blindsquare makes it sound like a pretty neat app, and 
 clearly a lot of people use it. Here are my questions:
 
 1. Can it do routes? That is, can I tell it I want to get to my home, or some 
 business or address, and have it guide me there? If so, is this turn-by-turn 
 (I doubt it) or a getting warmer method?
 
 2. Can I save my own POIs in the app, even without a Foursquare account? If I 
 need such an account, can I not have my location broadcast to everyone else 
 on Foursquare or Twitter?
 
 3. Does the app know streets at all? Again, likely not, but you never know.
 
 4. How is the accuracy? I realize this will vary wildly from place to place, 
 and even due to things like weather and where on your person you carry your 
 phone, but in general, how close does it get you to destinations?
 
 Thanks in advance for answers to these. I almost got Blindsquare, then I 
 started helping to test the Sendero app and found that Blindsquare would be 
 redundant. However, I do not plan on buying the Sendero app, especially with 
 walking directions coming to Maps in iOS7, so I am once again considering 
 Blindsquare.
 
 
 Have a great day,
 Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
 mehg...@gmail.com
 
 
 
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Re: So, this Blindsquare thing...

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Thank you for this info. IPhone5 and any external device I have tried, reports 
best accuracy of 5 meters. I never give instructions about direction if you are 
closer than reported accuracy. My strategy is to get to the edge of accuracy 
to be able to report last direction. So, you should be able to know direction 
where to go and actually get closer than this last reported direction.

Lähetetty iPadista

Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com kirjoitti 12.7.2013 kello 20.44:

 Wow, very impressive! Thanks for the quick response, and I'll certainly give 
 that podcast a listen. I understand about the accuracy, but I will say this: 
 with Sendero's app, my accuracy was almost alwasy 16 or 33 feet (about 5 to 
 10 meters) so you might be able to get better than 7 meters in may cases. I 
 don't know how all this works, I am simply letting you know that it may be 
 possible.
 On Jul 12, 2013, at 10:15 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 1) Kind of. It itself has this getting warm, but it supports many 3rd party 
 apps that you can be launched directly from BSq: TomTom, Navigon, MotionX, 
 Google Maps, Apple maps etc. Since BlindSquare can run on backgrpund, you 
 will get best of both worlds. For example Navigon is giving turn-by-turn and 
 BlindSquare is adding street info, intersections and information about 
 surrounding places on top of that. In-app turn-by-turn is something that is 
 planned into future, but superior support for 3rd party apps you might 
 already have will never go away
 
 2) Sure you can. They are saved to iCloud, so they are shared among all your 
 iOS devices and when switching to new phone, all settings and POIs follow 
 automatically.
 
 3) Yes it does. It announces street addresses with numbers and  
 intersections both in pedestrian and faster speeds. It can announce 
 intersections in high speed also
 
 4) Pretty close but it varies fro many factors. If you track Foursquare 
 place, t doesn'teven try to get closer than 16 meters since we don't know 
 nothing about accuracy of original POI. If you reset lcation for that or 
 create your own POI, also accuracy is saved to iCloud, in the case that 
 accuracy of POI and your current accuracy is good, it will guide you just to 
 the edge of accuracy (like 7 meters). That way it can give it's final 
 announcement with clockface information about direction
 
 To get good overview of the app, please listen to this podcast: 
 http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/blindsquare-feature-packed-navigational-tool-blind-ios-users
 
 BR, Ilkka, BlindSquare app developer
 Lähetetty iPadista
 
 Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com kirjoitti 12.7.2013 kello 15.47:
 
 Hi all,
 All this talk about Blindsquare makes it sound like a pretty neat app, and 
 clearly a lot of people use it. Here are my questions:
 
 1. Can it do routes? That is, can I tell it I want to get to my home, or 
 some business or address, and have it guide me there? If so, is this 
 turn-by-turn (I doubt it) or a getting warmer method?
 
 2. Can I save my own POIs in the app, even without a Foursquare account? If 
 I need such an account, can I not have my location broadcast to everyone 
 else on Foursquare or Twitter?
 
 3. Does the app know streets at all? Again, likely not, but you never know.
 
 4. How is the accuracy? I realize this will vary wildly from place to 
 place, and even due to things like weather and where on your person you 
 carry your phone, but in general, how close does it get you to destinations?
 
 Thanks in advance for answers to these. I almost got Blindsquare, then I 
 started helping to test the Sendero app and found that Blindsquare would be 
 redundant. However, I do not plan on buying the Sendero app, especially 
 with walking directions coming to Maps in iOS7, so I am once again 
 considering Blindsquare.
 
 
 Have a great day,
 Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
 mehg...@gmail.com
 
 
 
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Re: So, this Blindsquare thing...

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Usually 3rd party app has selection for that. To my knowledge, Navigon, Tomtom 
and Navigon does.

BlindSquare support also simulation so you can plan your trip beforehand, 
lookaround virtually to find bus stops, favourite them and set alerts by 
distance. When you are in simulated place, BSq limits 3rd party app 
integeration to apps that allow planning route by giving both start and end 
location. Only Google Maps and Apple Maps provide this (both are free) but they 
don't have accessible pedestrian instructions (yet), but in simulation you can 
still check the route.

Lähetetty iPadista

Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net kirjoitti 12.7.2013 kello 21.22:

 This leads to a question, when launching the third party apps for navigation, 
 is it specified what type of root to create, driving, walking, etc? Or does 
 the third party app use whatever is set as the default?
 Original message:
 1) Kind of. It itself has this getting warm, but it supports many 3rd party 
 apps that you can be launched directly from BSq: TomTom, Navigon, MotionX, 
 Google Maps, Apple maps etc. Since BlindSquare can run on backgrpund, you 
 will get best of both worlds. For example Navigon is giving turn-by-turn and 
 BlindSquare is adding street info, intersections and information about 
 surrounding places on top of that. In-app turn-by-turn is something that is 
 planned into future, but superior support for 3rd party apps you might 
 already have will never go away
 
 2) Sure you can. They are saved to iCloud, so they are shared among all your 
 iOS devices and when switching to new phone, all settings and POIs follow 
 automatically.
 
 3) Yes it does. It announces street addresses with numbers and intersections 
 both in pedestrian and faster speeds. It can announce intersections in high 
 speed also
 
 4) Pretty close but it varies fro many factors. If you track Foursquare 
 place, t doesn'teven try to get closer than 16 meters since we don't know 
 nothing about accuracy of original POI. If you reset lcation for that or 
 create your own POI, also accuracy is saved to iCloud, in the case that 
 accuracy of POI and your current accuracy is good, it will guide you just to 
 the edge of accuracy (like 7 meters). That way it can give it's final 
 announcement with clockface information about direction
 
 To get good overview of the app, please listen to this podcast: 
 http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/blindsquare-feature-packed-navigational-tool-blind-ios-users
  
 http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/blindsquare-feature-packed-navigational-tool-blind-ios-users
 
 BR, Ilkka, BlindSquare app developer
 Lähetetty iPadista
 Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com mailto:mehg...@gmail.com kirjoitti 12.7.2013 
 kello 15.47:
 
 
 
 Hi all,
 All this talk about Blindsquare makes it sound like a pretty neat app, and 
 clearly a lot of people use it. Here are my questions:
 
 1. Can it do routes? That is, can I tell it I want to get to my home, or 
 some business or address, and have it guide me there? If so, is this 
 turn-by-turn (I doubt it) or a getting warmer method?
 
 2. Can I save my own POIs in the app, even without a Foursquare account? If 
 I need such an account, can I not have my location broadcast to everyone 
 else on Foursquare or Twitter?
 
 3. Does the app know streets at all? Again, likely not, but you never know.
 
 4. How is the accuracy? I realize this will vary wildly from place to place, 
 and even due to things like weather and where on your person you carry your 
 phone, but in general, how close does it get you to destinations?
 
 Thanks in advance for answers to these. I almost got Blindsquare, then I 
 started helping to test the Sendero app and found that Blindsquare would be 
 redundant. However, I do not plan on buying the Sendero app, especially with 
 walking directions coming to Maps in iOS7, so I am once again considering 
 Blindsquare.
 
 
 Have a great day,
 Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
 mehg...@gmail.com mailto:mehg...@gmail.com
 
 
 
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Re: So, this Blindsquare thing...

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

What do you mean about structured discovery?

Lähetetty iPhonesta

Ray Foret jr rfore...@att.net kirjoitti 12.7.2013 kello 23.11:

 Me, I'd rather use structured discovery.  It's free and let's you go anywhere.
 
 
 Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
 
 On Jul 12, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 First, it'd only be two apps, Blindsquare in the background speaking POIs 
 and streets and your maps/gps app telling you where to go. It sounds 
 combersome, but if you don't know where you are going, a cane or dog won't 
 help you. True, once you know a route a dog is good about taking you back to 
 the same place, but for getting to new places or getting to known places in 
 new ways you sometimes need or want the extra help of technology. If it's a 
 single app you want, Sendero's app can do the job, but it is $70 per year or 
 $130 every three years. I'd rather get Blindsquare and use iOS7's walking 
 directions when that comes out, but that's just me.
 On Jul 12, 2013, at 2:35 PM, Ray Foret jr rfore...@att.net wrote:
 
 Gee wizz.  Three apps just to get around?  Better just to use a cane or 
 guide dog then right?  I mean, three apps just to get around?  Ain't that 
 getting just a bit cumbersome?
 
 
 Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
 
 On Jul 12, 2013, at 1:22 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:
 
 This leads to a question, when launching the third party apps for 
 navigation, is it specified what type of root to create, driving, walking, 
 etc? Or does the third party app use whatever is set as the default?
 Original message:
 1) Kind of. It itself has this getting warm, but it supports many 3rd 
 party apps that you can be launched directly from BSq: TomTom, Navigon, 
 MotionX, Google Maps, Apple maps etc. Since BlindSquare can run on 
 backgrpund, you will get best of both worlds. For example Navigon is 
 giving turn-by-turn and BlindSquare is adding street info, intersections 
 and information about surrounding places on top of that. In-app 
 turn-by-turn is something that is planned into future, but superior 
 support for 3rd party apps you might already have will never go away
 
 2) Sure you can. They are saved to iCloud, so they are shared among all 
 your iOS devices and when switching to new phone, all settings and POIs 
 follow automatically.
 
 3) Yes it does. It announces street addresses with numbers and 
 intersections both in pedestrian and faster speeds. It can announce 
 intersections in high speed also
 
 4) Pretty close but it varies fro many factors. If you track Foursquare 
 place, t doesn'teven try to get closer than 16 meters since we don't know 
 nothing about accuracy of original POI. If you reset lcation for that or 
 create your own POI, also accuracy is saved to iCloud, in the case that 
 accuracy of POI and your current accuracy is good, it will guide you just 
 to the edge of accuracy (like 7 meters). That way it can give it's final 
 announcement with clockface information about direction
 
 To get good overview of the app, please listen to this podcast: 
 http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/blindsquare-feature-packed-navigational-tool-blind-ios-users
  
 http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/blindsquare-feature-packed-navigational-tool-blind-ios-users
 
 BR, Ilkka, BlindSquare app developer
 Lähetetty iPadista
 Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com mailto:mehg...@gmail.com kirjoitti 
 12.7.2013 kello 15.47:
 
 
 
 Hi all,
 All this talk about Blindsquare makes it sound like a pretty neat app, 
 and clearly a lot of people use it. Here are my questions:
 
 1. Can it do routes? That is, can I tell it I want to get to my home, or 
 some business or address, and have it guide me there? If so, is this 
 turn-by-turn (I doubt it) or a getting warmer method?
 
 2. Can I save my own POIs in the app, even without a Foursquare account? 
 If I need such an account, can I not have my location broadcast to 
 everyone else on Foursquare or Twitter?
 
 3. Does the app know streets at all? Again, likely not, but you never 
 know.
 
 4. How is the accuracy? I realize this will vary wildly from place to 
 place, and even due to things like weather and where on your person you 
 carry your phone, but in general, how close does it get you to 
 destinations?
 
 Thanks in advance for answers to these. I almost got Blindsquare, then I 
 started helping to test the Sendero app and found that Blindsquare would 
 be redundant. However, I do not plan on buying the Sendero app, 
 especially with walking directions coming to Maps in iOS7, so I am once 
 again considering Blindsquare.
 
 
 Have a great day,
 Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
 mehg...@gmail.com mailto:mehg...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 --
 

Re: So, this Blindsquare thing...

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Yes, BlindSquare has feature called Look Around for that. You can select your 
view radius (25m - 2 km) and then point your device to different directions. 
You will hear heading, then intersections in that direction (closest first) and 
then list of what kindof places you find from that direction. For all place 
announcements BlindSquare can rate what should be read first. Rating is based 
in multiple factors and I'm not revealing all the intelligence, but using the 
fact it's based on local people playing a game, it gives lot of factors that 
can be used. Same algorithms are used when you are walking, so you will hear 
mentioned only most popular places automatically, ifbyou haven't filted their 
category out.

Many people have told their story how Look Around has saved them when they have 
been totally lost.

Lähetetty iPadista

Ray Foret jr rfore...@att.net kirjoitti 13.7.2013 kello 0.48:

 What I mean is that it is possible to observe what is arround you and thus to 
 find your way to any place you wish even if you don't know the area.  
 
 
 Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
 
 On Jul 12, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 What do you mean about structured discovery?
 
 Lähetetty iPhonesta
 
 Ray Foret jr rfore...@att.net kirjoitti 12.7.2013 kello 23.11:
 
 Me, I'd rather use structured discovery.  It's free and let's you go 
 anywhere.
 
 
 Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
 
 On Jul 12, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 First, it'd only be two apps, Blindsquare in the background speaking POIs 
 and streets and your maps/gps app telling you where to go. It sounds 
 combersome, but if you don't know where you are going, a cane or dog won't 
 help you. True, once you know a route a dog is good about taking you back 
 to the same place, but for getting to new places or getting to known 
 places in new ways you sometimes need or want the extra help of 
 technology. If it's a single app you want, Sendero's app can do the job, 
 but it is $70 per year or $130 every three years. I'd rather get 
 Blindsquare and use iOS7's walking directions when that comes out, but 
 that's just me.
 On Jul 12, 2013, at 2:35 PM, Ray Foret jr rfore...@att.net wrote:
 
 Gee wizz.  Three apps just to get around?  Better just to use a cane or 
 guide dog then right?  I mean, three apps just to get around?  Ain't that 
 getting just a bit cumbersome?
 
 
 Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
 
 On Jul 12, 2013, at 1:22 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:
 
 This leads to a question, when launching the third party apps for 
 navigation, is it specified what type of root to create, driving, 
 walking, etc? Or does the third party app use whatever is set as the 
 default?
 Original message:
 1) Kind of. It itself has this getting warm, but it supports many 3rd 
 party apps that you can be launched directly from BSq: TomTom, Navigon, 
 MotionX, Google Maps, Apple maps etc. Since BlindSquare can run on 
 backgrpund, you will get best of both worlds. For example Navigon is 
 giving turn-by-turn and BlindSquare is adding street info, 
 intersections and information about surrounding places on top of that. 
 In-app turn-by-turn is something that is planned into future, but 
 superior support for 3rd party apps you might already have will never 
 go away
 
 2) Sure you can. They are saved to iCloud, so they are shared among all 
 your iOS devices and when switching to new phone, all settings and POIs 
 follow automatically.
 
 3) Yes it does. It announces street addresses with numbers and 
 intersections both in pedestrian and faster speeds. It can announce 
 intersections in high speed also
 
 4) Pretty close but it varies fro many factors. If you track Foursquare 
 place, t doesn'teven try to get closer than 16 meters since we don't 
 know nothing about accuracy of original POI. If you reset lcation for 
 that or create your own POI, also accuracy is saved to iCloud, in the 
 case that accuracy of POI and your current accuracy is good, it will 
 guide you just to the edge of accuracy (like 7 meters). That way it can 
 give it's final announcement with clockface information about direction
 
 To get good overview of the app, please listen to this podcast: 
 http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/blindsquare-feature-packed-navigational-tool-blind-ios-users
  
 http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/blindsquare-feature-packed-navigational-tool-blind-ios-users
 
 BR, Ilkka, BlindSquare app developer
 Lähetetty iPadista
 Alex Hall mehg

Re: blind square

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

In App Store, go to first tab and then to bottom, you shloud find button there.
Those codes changes for each release, so your code doesn't work anymore.

Please send email to me, tell me rerence from which tournament you won this and 
I'll then give you a new one.

Lähetetty iPadista

ramy moustafa moshtaqlealga...@gmail.com kirjoitti 13.7.2013 kello 5.26:

 Hi all:
 i got a special code that i won in a tournament to get the blind square for 
 free, but don't know where i can put this code, any ideas will be highly 
 abbreciated
 thanks so much 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 12, 2013, at 3:55 PM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Yes, in Tools there is Recent Places. There you get list what you just heard 
 and then favourite it.
 
 Eugenia, I don't mean voiceover setting. In BlindSquare, go to 
 Other/Settings. You'll find setting for speech speed and volume.
 
 Lähetetty iPhonesta
 
 Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com kirjoitti 12.7.2013 kello 
 15.15:
 
 Hi!
 I do believe that one of the options when your on route is to hear again a 
 list of places you've gone passed!
 And if you pick the one you want I suppose it will let you edit it!
 Have you heard the podcast [I do not have the link sorry] it tells you all 
 about hearing that list as well as a lot of other stuff!
 HTH Colin
 
 On 12 Jul 2013, at 12:50, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi again
 I will check out the settings on voiceover like you said, but I think it 
 means that if I raise the voiceover volume the speech volume on 
 BlindSquare might be too loud at times. But I will find out.
 
 I know I can do a search and make a place a favourite.  However, I had in 
 mind that you heard something that you didn't know about, so you decide to 
 make it a favourite without having to do a search. Like I said, I don't 
 even know if this is possible.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 12, 2013, at 6:46 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 There is separate volume setting for Acapela voices in settings. You can 
 balance volume with VoiceOver using that.
 
 If you favourite a place, then you will hear also arrival and bypass 
 announcements.
 
 I'm not sure if this is what you meant, but let me know!
 
 Lähetetty iPhonesta
 
 Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com kirjoitti 12.7.2013 kello 13.50:
 
 Hi guys
 Earlier it was asked about features that we would like for BlindSquare. 
 Now that I've had it for a while, a short while to be true, I have a 
 couple of ideas.
 
 First, I think the meet speech mode should be available on all 
 BlindSquare screens. This is because I'm having to turn the volume down 
 on my headphones, and voiceover is very low to the point where I can't 
 hear it when I'm done that. Also, I got a phone call the other day, and 
 I couldn't hear and I had to start raising the volume on the headphone 
 before I could talk on the call. So, I'm not sure what all can be done 
 about this completely, but that would be beneficial.
 
 Another feature, and I don't know if this is possible, would be to be 
 able to choose a location that you heard when you were passing it so 
 that you would be notified when you got there. Or, maybe you could put 
 it on your favourites right then and there. This is just some ideas.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 12, 2013, at 4:39 AM, Cheree Heppe che...@dogsc4me.com wrote:
 
 Cheree Heppe here:
 On my commute this afternoon, I tried blind square on the bus.
 Sure enough, I got readouts of passing stores and learned more about my 
 new area.  For instance, there is a Pendleton outlet store at a bus 
 stop on my way home.  Good-bye fat wallet!
 When I neared my place, which I have as a favourite, the app made a 
 chiming tone and announced the address.  As the bus left my location 
 toward the transit center, the app gave a descending chime.
 I was also able to find a place new to me while walking.
 
 
 Regards,
 Cheree Heppe
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone 4S
 
 On 09/07/2013, at 3:45, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I can tell you what happens there. So, BlindSquare can work inside 
 shopping malls pretty well. Like you know, positioning in iOS devices 
 is not only based on GPS but also cell tower and wifi radios around 
 you. It means, BlindSquare will know your rough position and adapt 
 announcements according to that. 
 
 If distance to the place is below current location accuracy, you will 
 not hear direction and you will hear word about before distance. If 
 you increase notification distance, you will hear more places with 
 clock face information.
 
 You can also start tracking a place that is - let's say - 150 meters 
 from you. You will probably hear distance and clock face for half of 
 the way there. 
 
 I'm pretty sure that in the future indoor positioning will get better 
 and better. Couple months ago

Re: blind square

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Jonathan, I have heard rumour that 3rd party applications wouldn't get you
to mayor and it would be shame if Foursquare API's would work that way. I
actually don't know. I don't play so much that I would know from my own
experience. I found some conversations that says that 3rd party apps has
just the same features:
https://getsatisfaction.com/foursquare/topics/3rd_party_app_checkins_vs_official_app

I have earned my badges by using BlindSquare.


On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 3:30 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:

 Hi Ilkka, can you earn mayorships if you check in with Blindsquare, or do
 you have to use the official app to earn them?
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org

 On 9/07/2013, at 4:48 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Foursquare itself is a game millions of people plays around the world.
 Blindsquare (and now also Seeing Eye) benefits of the fact that this
 crowdsourced game creates worlds largest active register of places around
 the world. If some place is missing, someone playing Foursquare will add it
 and give it category + address information, because they earn points in a
 game!

 If you like to play this game, BlindSquare has full support for it too.
 You can also check-in to places without publishing information about your
 location to anyone. You still earn points and hear your score and who of
 your Foursquare friends are in front of you.

 I know some visually impaired are friends in Foursquare and share their
 checkins. They will get push notifications about friends checkins and get
 to know if they are near each other.

 I have plans to have even more benefits if you start playing game while
 using BlindSquare. For example, from your check-ins, BlindSquare could
 learn what type of restaurants you tend to like and suggestions will get
 better and better.

 I once more want to say that it is not needed to play Foursquare or even
 have Foursquare account to use BlindSquare. It is just an extra twist and
 kind of cool to be able to do checkin by shaking the device or even get you
 automatically checked in places you have given this permission.


 On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Matt Dierckens 
 matt.dierck...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi Mike.
 With foursquare, you can do something called, checking in.
 This means, you check in to the place,and you get points for checking in
 to the place. Sometimes, places like stores or restaurants will give you
 specials for checking in with 4square.

 On 2013-07-08, at 12:06 PM, Mike Busboom mbusb...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hello Matt,
 
  Since I have never used BlindSquare or 4Square, I do not know what you
 mean when you talk about checking in to a place.  Could you clarify or
 refer me to some explanatory information.
 
  Thanks and best regards!
 
  Mike
 
  On 8,Jul,2013, at 5:25 PM, Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Hi Mike.
  No, you do not need an account with 4square to use the app. The only
 reason you would need it is if you anted to check in at the place you were
 going to.
  On 2013-07-08, at 11:11 AM, Mike Busboom mbusb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I really enjoyed reading your posting, and I have one question:
 
  Before using BlindSquare, do you need to have an account with
 4Square?  I had heard that this was necessary, but I don't know for sure.
 
  Thank you very much,
 
  Mike
 
  On 29,Jun,2013, at 8:06 AM, Vivianna irish...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  i absolutely love this app.  i am still learning the new city that i
 have moved to and, this app is great for that.  yesterday, for example, i
 was on paratransit.  well, you know how they tend to drive you about, who
 knows where, while on your way to your destination?  i started my blind
 square app and just had a listen as we were going along.  we pulled into a
 parking lot, i shook the phone and it told me we were at a grocery store.
  i asked the driver; hey, are we at the grocery store and he said; we sure
 are.
  it's great for learning new streets as well as what's around you
 when on out of town trips also.
  i do use my navigation apps with ear buds though instead of
 bluetooth.  i think it's just the nature of the beast but, things seem to
 be cut out completely or the first part is chopped off.
 
  Vivianna
 
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Re: blind square

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

I can tell you what happens there. So, BlindSquare can work inside shopping
malls pretty well. Like you know, positioning in iOS devices is not only
based on GPS but also cell tower and wifi radios around you. It means,
BlindSquare will know your rough position and adapt annoucements according
to that.

If distance to the place is below current location accuracy, you will not
hear direction and you will hear word about before distance. If you
increase notification distance, you will hear more places with clockface
information.

You can also start tracking a place that is - let's say - 150 meters from
you. You will probably hear distance and clockface for half of the way
there.

I'm pretty sure that in the future indoor positioning will get better and
better. Couple months ago, Apple acquired a company (
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/03/23/apple-buys-indoor-gps-company-wifislam-for-20m)
for 20 million dollars who had working prototype on Android devices. Their
system uses knowledge of wifi radio signals to get location with accuracy
of few meters.

In Finland we have startup called Indoor Atlas (http://www.indooratlas.com).
With their technology, one can record static magnetic fields inside
buildings. You can then use your mobile devices magnetometer to calculate
fingerprint and get your location inside that building.

So within next few years, it becomes really interesting to have more
navigation possibilities also inside buildings!


On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Hello guys
 I foundw out something about BlindSquare yesterday that I was most
 impressed with. I almost didn't test it out, because I figured no GPS
 program would do this anyway.

 Yesterday, I went to Northpark mall to the Apple Store I left BlindSquare
 running.  It started telling me about a lot of the stores as I was passing.
 The only thing is, and I understand why, it didn't tell me left or right
 but it did give distance.

 Oh, for those of you on this list like myself who are in the Dallas
 metroplex area, they slightly moved the Apple store. It looks enough
 different that my poor dog couldn't find it. I had to ask. It's still the
 busiest place in the mall. It's three times bigger.
 Regards,
 Gigi

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 9, 2013, at 1:25 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Jonathan, I have heard rumour that 3rd party applications wouldn't get you
 to mayor and it would be shame if Foursquare API's would work that way. I
 actually don't know. I don't play so much that I would know from my own
 experience. I found some conversations that says that 3rd party apps has
 just the same features:
 https://getsatisfaction.com/foursquare/topics/3rd_party_app_checkins_vs_official_app

 I have earned my badges by using BlindSquare.


 On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 3:30 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:

 Hi Ilkka, can you earn mayorships if you check in with Blindsquare, or do
 you have to use the official app to earn them?
  Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org

 On 9/07/2013, at 4:48 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Foursquare itself is a game millions of people plays around the world.
 Blindsquare (and now also Seeing Eye) benefits of the fact that this
 crowdsourced game creates worlds largest active register of places around
 the world. If some place is missing, someone playing Foursquare will add it
 and give it category + address information, because they earn points in a
 game!

 If you like to play this game, BlindSquare has full support for it too.
 You can also check-in to places without publishing information about your
 location to anyone. You still earn points and hear your score and who of
 your Foursquare friends are in front of you.

 I know some visually impaired are friends in Foursquare and share their
 checkins. They will get push notifications about friends checkins and get
 to know if they are near each other.

 I have plans to have even more benefits if you start playing game while
 using BlindSquare. For example, from your check-ins, BlindSquare could
 learn what type of restaurants you tend to like and suggestions will get
 better and better.

 I once more want to say that it is not needed to play Foursquare or even
 have Foursquare account to use BlindSquare. It is just an extra twist and
 kind of cool to be able to do checkin by shaking the device or even get you
 automatically checked in places you have given this permission.


 On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Matt Dierckens 
 matt.dierck...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi Mike.
 With foursquare, you can do something called, checking in.
 This means, you check in to the place,and you get points for checking in
 to the place. Sometimes, places like stores or restaurants will give you
 specials for checking in with 4square.

 On 2013-07-08, at 12:06 PM, Mike Busboom mbusb...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hello Matt,
 
  Since

Re: My comparison of the scene live GPS and BlindSquare

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

That's one of the things that will improve in future. Now you can always shake 
to ask your current location.

Sent from my iPhone

On 8.7.2013, at 12.14, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:

 Hi 
 I can't say anything about the Seeing eye gps as it hasen't come to Sweden 
 yet, however i've tried Blindsquare and am not friends with it at all. I'm 
 probably doing something wrong but i have noticed that when i turn into a 
 street, Blindsquare doesn't announce the street i have turned into before i 
 am well into it, maybe one or two blocks down and if i'm on the wrong street 
 i may not know it for quite some time. The trekker breeze is quite responsive 
 in this matter. I don't know why it is like this, maybe i don't know how to 
 manage blindsquare.
 /Krister
 
 7 jul 2013 kl. 22:54 skrev Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com:
 
 Hi,
 Blindsquare is $15 for life, seeing eye is $70 for a year or $130 for 3 
 hers. I am so glad that I haven't purchased seeing eye. Blindsquare is truly 
 amazing
 On 2013-07-07, at 3:32 PM, Randy George george.ra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 I would also like to thank everyone for their comparisons of the two 
 products, as I have been considering purchasing a blind friendly pedestrian 
 GPS system for sometime now. I have a random question, how much does each 
 Cost?
 Thanks so much,
 Randy
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 7, 2013, at 3:23 PM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I only acquired Blind Square recently, and haven't really given it a go 
 yet.  I can tell you that I am disappointed thus far with Seeing Eye GPS.
 1. It tells me I am home when I am at my neighbor's house, and that my 
 home is behind me when I do arrive home.
 2. It announces intersections far too early.
 3.  It does not say turn right or turn left when one is actually at 
 the corner where one wishes to turn -- whereas Navigon is excellent at 
 this.
 4. It names POI's I am near but does not indicate left or right -- I 
 do not know if using the location wand will help with this.  I have not 
 tried that yet. 
 5.  It has been wrong about what side of the street a destination is on 
 more than once. 
 
 With respect to Seeing Eye GPS, it is interesting to hear what POI's are 
 around, and its directions are good and easy to understand if you already 
 have a grasp of the area you are in.  It has tremendous potential.  If I 
 had to do it all over again, however, I would save my money and wait for a 
 later version.  
 
 On Jul 7, 2013, at 2:54 PM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hey Gigi, Just wanted to say thanks so much for the comparison. I have 
 used Blind Square for awhile, and it is pretty good. It is not perfect, 
 as I do notice the feet and time position of a location are off a bit, 
 but I think this is due to GPS not being a perfect accuracy down to the 
 smallest distance. Additionally, the developer of Blind Square is 
 amazing, as he is constantly working on improving the app and tweaking 
 it. He is very responsive, and I hope he continues with tweaking it even 
 with the competition of Sendero's costly Seeing Eye. I know Sendero has a 
 limited market for this app, and they are in business to make money, but 
 if they want to be successful they are going to have to become more 
 responsive about their product. Thanks again for your review of both 
 apps, really insightful.
 On Jul 7, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi guys
 I realize IM you to both programs mentioned in the subject line. 
 However, I am not new to GPS applications. Here is what I have found so 
 far as far as I am concerned right now.
 
 I hate to say this, but right now I like BlindSquare better than I like 
 the Seeing Eye GPS program, this graduate is sorry to say.
 
 First of all, BlindSquare is more accurate insofar as my address is 
 concerned. The scene I GPS keeps insisting I am at 1061, where as 
 BlindSquare told me I had reached my house when I was right in front of 
 my door. Also, I tried using the scene I GPS this morning for a route 
 that I knew. I did it on purpose for one but I knew. I tried using the 
 multi thing for planning the route, and I got an error every time I 
 tried it. So, I had to use pedestrian mode. I got on the bus, and I was 
 not given enough cross streets. I have found BlindSquare works better on 
 the bus.
 
 However, I did discover one weird thing about replanning when using 
 BlindSquare and navigate. Several times I've used vehicle mode in 
 Gavagan, and it works fine. However, today when I chose public 
 transportation mode or pedestrian mode, Nevaden said not one solitary 
 word until I got to my destination, at which point it told me I got 
 there. I kept BlindSquare tracking, and I was able to find my bus stop.
 
 Just a few of my observations. Oh another thing. As far as I can see 
 right now, BlindSquare seems to be better at points of interest location.
 Regards,
 Gigi
 
 Sent 

Re: My comparison of the scene live GPS and BlindSquare

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Blindsquare does announce intersections/cross streets, also when traveling by 
car. In next version released soon, it will do it even in speed faster than 30 
mph. It has been tested to work okay in 75 mph (120 km/h).

About shaking: have you enabled it from settings? It's good to know that 
shaking gesture notices movement sideways when you hold your phone in hand.

Blindsquare shouldn't stop while you are going. It registers it to iOS as 
workout application and iOS makes decision if it should be go to sleep to 
save battery. 

I have plan to implement so called smart background operation in near future. 
It will solve also your issue, you can then decide if you want to have total 
control and responsibility of battery consumption.

Ps. Yes, I'm on Sendero list but mostly just listening

Sent from my iPhone

On 8.7.2013, at 12.46, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:

 This feature of shaking the phone  does not work on my I phone at all. I have 
 the same problem as Christa. Why can't Blind square announce Cross streets? 
 The Seeing I App is not in the UK yet either. But when it is, I'll be sure to 
 get it. I don't know if any of you are on the Sendero List, but perhaps the 
 developer of Blind Square should get on it as the Sendero App is using Blind 
 Square as well. I do not have a foresquare account so perhaps the feature 
 that The Sendero App uses would be of no use to me when I got it. Also Blind 
 square stops working when I've done 15 minutes and it gos to sleep. Why can't 
 blind square wake up automatically when you start moving?
 
 On 8 Jul 2013, at 10:21 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 That's one of the things that will improve in future. Now you can always 
 shake to ask your current location.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 8.7.2013, at 12.14, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:
 
 Hi 
 I can't say anything about the Seeing eye gps as it hasen't come to Sweden 
 yet, however i've tried Blindsquare and am not friends with it at all. I'm 
 probably doing something wrong but i have noticed that when i turn into a 
 street, Blindsquare doesn't announce the street i have turned into before i 
 am well into it, maybe one or two blocks down and if i'm on the wrong 
 street i may not know it for quite some time. The trekker breeze is quite 
 responsive in this matter. I don't know why it is like this, maybe i don't 
 know how to manage blindsquare.
 /Krister
 
 7 jul 2013 kl. 22:54 skrev Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com:
 
 Hi,
 Blindsquare is $15 for life, seeing eye is $70 for a year or $130 for 3 
 hers. I am so glad that I haven't purchased seeing eye. Blindsquare is 
 truly amazing
 On 2013-07-07, at 3:32 PM, Randy George george.ra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 I would also like to thank everyone for their comparisons of the two 
 products, as I have been considering purchasing a blind friendly 
 pedestrian GPS system for sometime now. I have a random question, how 
 much does each Cost?
 Thanks so much,
 Randy
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 7, 2013, at 3:23 PM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I only acquired Blind Square recently, and haven't really given it a go 
 yet.  I can tell you that I am disappointed thus far with Seeing Eye GPS.
 1. It tells me I am home when I am at my neighbor's house, and that my 
 home is behind me when I do arrive home.
 2. It announces intersections far too early.
 3.  It does not say turn right or turn left when one is actually at 
 the corner where one wishes to turn -- whereas Navigon is excellent at 
 this.
 4. It names POI's I am near but does not indicate left or right -- 
 I do not know if using the location wand will help with this.  I have 
 not tried that yet. 
 5.  It has been wrong about what side of the street a destination is on 
 more than once. 
 
 With respect to Seeing Eye GPS, it is interesting to hear what POI's are 
 around, and its directions are good and easy to understand if you 
 already have a grasp of the area you are in.  It has tremendous 
 potential.  If I had to do it all over again, however, I would save my 
 money and wait for a later version.  
 
 On Jul 7, 2013, at 2:54 PM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hey Gigi, Just wanted to say thanks so much for the comparison. I have 
 used Blind Square for awhile, and it is pretty good. It is not perfect, 
 as I do notice the feet and time position of a location are off a bit, 
 but I think this is due to GPS not being a perfect accuracy down to the 
 smallest distance. Additionally, the developer of Blind Square is 
 amazing, as he is constantly working on improving the app and tweaking 
 it. He is very responsive, and I hope he continues with tweaking it 
 even with the competition of Sendero's costly Seeing Eye. I know 
 Sendero has a limited market for this app, and they are in business to 
 make money, but if they want to be successful they are going to have to 
 become more responsive

Re: My comparison of the scene live GPS and BlindSquare

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Just another note about shaking: it's good to know that shaking is available on 
for apps that are running on foreground. That's iOS limitation.

Sent from my iPhone

On 8.7.2013, at 12.46, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:

 This feature of shaking the phone  does not work on my I phone at all. I have 
 the same problem as Christa. Why can't Blind square announce Cross streets? 
 The Seeing I App is not in the UK yet either. But when it is, I'll be sure to 
 get it. I don't know if any of you are on the Sendero List, but perhaps the 
 developer of Blind Square should get on it as the Sendero App is using Blind 
 Square as well. I do not have a foresquare account so perhaps the feature 
 that The Sendero App uses would be of no use to me when I got it. Also Blind 
 square stops working when I've done 15 minutes and it gos to sleep. Why can't 
 blind square wake up automatically when you start moving?
 
 On 8 Jul 2013, at 10:21 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 That's one of the things that will improve in future. Now you can always 
 shake to ask your current location.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 8.7.2013, at 12.14, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:
 
 Hi 
 I can't say anything about the Seeing eye gps as it hasen't come to Sweden 
 yet, however i've tried Blindsquare and am not friends with it at all. I'm 
 probably doing something wrong but i have noticed that when i turn into a 
 street, Blindsquare doesn't announce the street i have turned into before i 
 am well into it, maybe one or two blocks down and if i'm on the wrong 
 street i may not know it for quite some time. The trekker breeze is quite 
 responsive in this matter. I don't know why it is like this, maybe i don't 
 know how to manage blindsquare.
 /Krister
 
 7 jul 2013 kl. 22:54 skrev Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com:
 
 Hi,
 Blindsquare is $15 for life, seeing eye is $70 for a year or $130 for 3 
 hers. I am so glad that I haven't purchased seeing eye. Blindsquare is 
 truly amazing
 On 2013-07-07, at 3:32 PM, Randy George george.ra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 I would also like to thank everyone for their comparisons of the two 
 products, as I have been considering purchasing a blind friendly 
 pedestrian GPS system for sometime now. I have a random question, how 
 much does each Cost?
 Thanks so much,
 Randy
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 7, 2013, at 3:23 PM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I only acquired Blind Square recently, and haven't really given it a go 
 yet.  I can tell you that I am disappointed thus far with Seeing Eye GPS.
 1. It tells me I am home when I am at my neighbor's house, and that my 
 home is behind me when I do arrive home.
 2. It announces intersections far too early.
 3.  It does not say turn right or turn left when one is actually at 
 the corner where one wishes to turn -- whereas Navigon is excellent at 
 this.
 4. It names POI's I am near but does not indicate left or right -- 
 I do not know if using the location wand will help with this.  I have 
 not tried that yet. 
 5.  It has been wrong about what side of the street a destination is on 
 more than once. 
 
 With respect to Seeing Eye GPS, it is interesting to hear what POI's are 
 around, and its directions are good and easy to understand if you 
 already have a grasp of the area you are in.  It has tremendous 
 potential.  If I had to do it all over again, however, I would save my 
 money and wait for a later version.  
 
 On Jul 7, 2013, at 2:54 PM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hey Gigi, Just wanted to say thanks so much for the comparison. I have 
 used Blind Square for awhile, and it is pretty good. It is not perfect, 
 as I do notice the feet and time position of a location are off a bit, 
 but I think this is due to GPS not being a perfect accuracy down to the 
 smallest distance. Additionally, the developer of Blind Square is 
 amazing, as he is constantly working on improving the app and tweaking 
 it. He is very responsive, and I hope he continues with tweaking it 
 even with the competition of Sendero's costly Seeing Eye. I know 
 Sendero has a limited market for this app, and they are in business to 
 make money, but if they want to be successful they are going to have to 
 become more responsive about their product. Thanks again for your 
 review of both apps, really insightful.
 On Jul 7, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi guys
 I realize IM you to both programs mentioned in the subject line. 
 However, I am not new to GPS applications. Here is what I have found 
 so far as far as I am concerned right now.
 
 I hate to say this, but right now I like BlindSquare better than I 
 like the Seeing Eye GPS program, this graduate is sorry to say.
 
 First of all, BlindSquare is more accurate insofar as my address is 
 concerned. The scene I GPS keeps insisting I am at 1061, where as 
 BlindSquare told me I had reached

Re: My comparison of the scene live GPS and BlindSquare

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

In current version shaking works when you are on main screen. In version 1.43 
(sent to Apple for review) it will work on any screen.

Sent from my iPhone

On 8.7.2013, at 14.50, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:

 I have enabled shaking in settings.
 
 On 8 Jul 2013, at 12:46 PM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Blindsquare does announce intersections/cross streets, also when traveling 
 by car. In next version released soon, it will do it even in speed faster 
 than 30 mph. It has been tested to work okay in 75 mph (120 km/h).
 
 About shaking: have you enabled it from settings? It's good to know that 
 shaking gesture notices movement sideways when you hold your phone in hand.
 
 Blindsquare shouldn't stop while you are going. It registers it to iOS as 
 workout application and iOS makes decision if it should be go to sleep to 
 save battery. 
 
 I have plan to implement so called smart background operation in near 
 future. It will solve also your issue, you can then decide if you want to 
 have total control and responsibility of battery consumption.
 
 Ps. Yes, I'm on Sendero list but mostly just listening
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 8.7.2013, at 12.46, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:
 
 This feature of shaking the phone  does not work on my I phone at all. I 
 have the same problem as Christa. Why can't Blind square announce Cross 
 streets? The Seeing I App is not in the UK yet either. But when it is, I'll 
 be sure to get it. I don't know if any of you are on the Sendero List, but 
 perhaps the developer of Blind Square should get on it as the Sendero App 
 is using Blind Square as well. I do not have a foresquare account so 
 perhaps the feature that The Sendero App uses would be of no use to me when 
 I got it. Also Blind square stops working when I've done 15 minutes and it 
 gos to sleep. Why can't blind square wake up automatically when you start 
 moving?
 
 On 8 Jul 2013, at 10:21 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 That's one of the things that will improve in future. Now you can always 
 shake to ask your current location.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 8.7.2013, at 12.14, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:
 
 Hi 
 I can't say anything about the Seeing eye gps as it hasen't come to 
 Sweden yet, however i've tried Blindsquare and am not friends with it at 
 all. I'm probably doing something wrong but i have noticed that when i 
 turn into a street, Blindsquare doesn't announce the street i have turned 
 into before i am well into it, maybe one or two blocks down and if i'm on 
 the wrong street i may not know it for quite some time. The trekker 
 breeze is quite responsive in this matter. I don't know why it is like 
 this, maybe i don't know how to manage blindsquare.
 /Krister
 
 7 jul 2013 kl. 22:54 skrev Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com:
 
 Hi,
 Blindsquare is $15 for life, seeing eye is $70 for a year or $130 for 3 
 hers. I am so glad that I haven't purchased seeing eye. Blindsquare is 
 truly amazing
 On 2013-07-07, at 3:32 PM, Randy George george.ra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 I would also like to thank everyone for their comparisons of the two 
 products, as I have been considering purchasing a blind friendly 
 pedestrian GPS system for sometime now. I have a random question, how 
 much does each Cost?
 Thanks so much,
 Randy
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 7, 2013, at 3:23 PM, Christine Grassman 
 cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I only acquired Blind Square recently, and haven't really given it a 
 go yet.  I can tell you that I am disappointed thus far with Seeing 
 Eye GPS.
 1. It tells me I am home when I am at my neighbor's house, and that my 
 home is behind me when I do arrive home.
 2. It announces intersections far too early.
 3.  It does not say turn right or turn left when one is actually 
 at the corner where one wishes to turn -- whereas Navigon is excellent 
 at this.
 4. It names POI's I am near but does not indicate left or right 
 -- I do not know if using the location wand will help with this.  I 
 have not tried that yet. 
 5.  It has been wrong about what side of the street a destination is 
 on more than once. 
 
 With respect to Seeing Eye GPS, it is interesting to hear what POI's 
 are around, and its directions are good and easy to understand if you 
 already have a grasp of the area you are in.  It has tremendous 
 potential.  If I had to do it all over again, however, I would save my 
 money and wait for a later version.  
 
 On Jul 7, 2013, at 2:54 PM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hey Gigi, Just wanted to say thanks so much for the comparison. I 
 have used Blind Square for awhile, and it is pretty good. It is not 
 perfect, as I do notice the feet and time position of a location are 
 off a bit, but I think this is due to GPS not being a perfect 
 accuracy down to the smallest distance. Additionally, the developer 
 of Blind Square is amazing, as he

Re: My comparison of the scene live GPS and BlindSquare

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Kawal, are you talking about Blindsquare? It has all element labeled and it
also has help system built on each element. If you have enabled hints in
your iOS, you'll hear explanations of each element as you go. When you know
how to use it, you can leave hints on in iOS on and disable help system
from Blindsquare settings.

By listening this instructive podcast, you will know every detail of it:
http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/blindsquare-feature-packed-navigational-tool-blind-ios-users



On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:

 I have only tried it when I open the App. I can't get Tracking to work
 either. Is the map a picture map? I don't know how to use the tracking
 feature. Nothing seems to be labelled or perhaps I don't no what to do with
 it.

 On 8 Jul 2013, at 12:53 PM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  In current version shaking works when you are on main screen. In version
 1.43 (sent to Apple for review) it will work on any screen.
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On 8.7.2013, at 14.50, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:
 
  I have enabled shaking in settings.
 
  On 8 Jul 2013, at 12:46 PM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Blindsquare does announce intersections/cross streets, also when
 traveling by car. In next version released soon, it will do it even in
 speed faster than 30 mph. It has been tested to work okay in 75 mph (120
 km/h).
 
  About shaking: have you enabled it from settings? It's good to know
 that shaking gesture notices movement sideways when you hold your phone
 in hand.
 
  Blindsquare shouldn't stop while you are going. It registers it to iOS
 as workout application and iOS makes decision if it should be go to sleep
 to save battery.
 
  I have plan to implement so called smart background operation in near
 future. It will solve also your issue, you can then decide if you want to
 have total control and responsibility of battery consumption.
 
  Ps. Yes, I'm on Sendero list but mostly just listening
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On 8.7.2013, at 12.46, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:
 
  This feature of shaking the phone  does not work on my I phone at
 all. I have the same problem as Christa. Why can't Blind square announce
 Cross streets? The Seeing I App is not in the UK yet either. But when it
 is, I'll be sure to get it. I don't know if any of you are on the Sendero
 List, but perhaps the developer of Blind Square should get on it as the
 Sendero App is using Blind Square as well. I do not have a foresquare
 account so perhaps the feature that The Sendero App uses would be of no use
 to me when I got it. Also Blind square stops working when I've done 15
 minutes and it gos to sleep. Why can't blind square wake up automatically
 when you start moving?
 
  On 8 Jul 2013, at 10:21 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa 
 ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  That's one of the things that will improve in future. Now you can
 always shake to ask your current location.
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On 8.7.2013, at 12.14, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com
 wrote:
 
  Hi
  I can't say anything about the Seeing eye gps as it hasen't come to
 Sweden yet, however i've tried Blindsquare and am not friends with it at
 all. I'm probably doing something wrong but i have noticed that when i turn
 into a street, Blindsquare doesn't announce the street i have turned into
 before i am well into it, maybe one or two blocks down and if i'm on the
 wrong street i may not know it for quite some time. The trekker breeze is
 quite responsive in this matter. I don't know why it is like this, maybe i
 don't know how to manage blindsquare.
  /Krister
 
  7 jul 2013 kl. 22:54 skrev Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com
 :
 
  Hi,
  Blindsquare is $15 for life, seeing eye is $70 for a year or $130
 for 3 hers. I am so glad that I haven't purchased seeing eye. Blindsquare
 is truly amazing
  On 2013-07-07, at 3:32 PM, Randy George george.ra...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Hi everyone,
  I would also like to thank everyone for their comparisons of the
 two products, as I have been considering purchasing a blind friendly
 pedestrian GPS system for sometime now. I have a random question, how much
 does each Cost?
  Thanks so much,
  Randy
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Jul 7, 2013, at 3:23 PM, Christine Grassman 
 cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I only acquired Blind Square recently, and haven't really given
 it a go yet.  I can tell you that I am disappointed thus far with Seeing
 Eye GPS.
  1. It tells me I am home when I am at my neighbor's house, and
 that my home is behind me when I do arrive home.
  2. It announces intersections far too early.
  3.  It does not say turn right or turn left when one is
 actually at the corner where one wishes to turn -- whereas Navigon is
 excellent at this.
  4. It names POI's I am near but does not indicate left or
 right -- I do not know if using the location wand will help with this.  I
 have

Re: My comparison of the scene live GPS and BlindSquare

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Ok, please do so and get back to me if you need more explanations! It's
super easy when you know what you can do with it and how :-)


On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:

 Yes I was talking about Blind Square. I will listen to the podcast. Thank
 you very much for the feed.

 On 8 Jul 2013, at 01:45 PM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Kawal, are you talking about Blindsquare? It has all element labeled and
 it also has help system built on each element. If you have enabled hints in
 your iOS, you'll hear explanations of each element as you go. When you know
 how to use it, you can leave hints on in iOS on and disable help system
 from Blindsquare settings.

 By listening this instructive podcast, you will know every detail of it:
 http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/blindsquare-feature-packed-navigational-tool-blind-ios-users



 On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:

 I have only tried it when I open the App. I can't get Tracking to work
 either. Is the map a picture map? I don't know how to use the tracking
 feature. Nothing seems to be labelled or perhaps I don't no what to do with
 it.

 On 8 Jul 2013, at 12:53 PM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  In current version shaking works when you are on main screen. In
 version 1.43 (sent to Apple for review) it will work on any screen.
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On 8.7.2013, at 14.50, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:
 
  I have enabled shaking in settings.
 
  On 8 Jul 2013, at 12:46 PM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Blindsquare does announce intersections/cross streets, also when
 traveling by car. In next version released soon, it will do it even in
 speed faster than 30 mph. It has been tested to work okay in 75 mph (120
 km/h).
 
  About shaking: have you enabled it from settings? It's good to know
 that shaking gesture notices movement sideways when you hold your phone
 in hand.
 
  Blindsquare shouldn't stop while you are going. It registers it to
 iOS as workout application and iOS makes decision if it should be go to
 sleep to save battery.
 
  I have plan to implement so called smart background operation in near
 future. It will solve also your issue, you can then decide if you want to
 have total control and responsibility of battery consumption.
 
  Ps. Yes, I'm on Sendero list but mostly just listening
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On 8.7.2013, at 12.46, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:
 
  This feature of shaking the phone  does not work on my I phone at
 all. I have the same problem as Christa. Why can't Blind square announce
 Cross streets? The Seeing I App is not in the UK yet either. But when it
 is, I'll be sure to get it. I don't know if any of you are on the Sendero
 List, but perhaps the developer of Blind Square should get on it as the
 Sendero App is using Blind Square as well. I do not have a foresquare
 account so perhaps the feature that The Sendero App uses would be of no use
 to me when I got it. Also Blind square stops working when I've done 15
 minutes and it gos to sleep. Why can't blind square wake up automatically
 when you start moving?
 
  On 8 Jul 2013, at 10:21 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa 
 ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  That's one of the things that will improve in future. Now you can
 always shake to ask your current location.
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On 8.7.2013, at 12.14, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com
 wrote:
 
  Hi
  I can't say anything about the Seeing eye gps as it hasen't come
 to Sweden yet, however i've tried Blindsquare and am not friends with it at
 all. I'm probably doing something wrong but i have noticed that when i turn
 into a street, Blindsquare doesn't announce the street i have turned into
 before i am well into it, maybe one or two blocks down and if i'm on the
 wrong street i may not know it for quite some time. The trekker breeze is
 quite responsive in this matter. I don't know why it is like this, maybe i
 don't know how to manage blindsquare.
  /Krister
 
  7 jul 2013 kl. 22:54 skrev Matt Dierckens 
 matt.dierck...@gmail.com:
 
  Hi,
  Blindsquare is $15 for life, seeing eye is $70 for a year or $130
 for 3 hers. I am so glad that I haven't purchased seeing eye. Blindsquare
 is truly amazing
  On 2013-07-07, at 3:32 PM, Randy George george.ra...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Hi everyone,
  I would also like to thank everyone for their comparisons of the
 two products, as I have been considering purchasing a blind friendly
 pedestrian GPS system for sometime now. I have a random question, how much
 does each Cost?
  Thanks so much,
  Randy
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Jul 7, 2013, at 3:23 PM, Christine Grassman 
 cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I only acquired Blind Square recently, and haven't really given
 it a go yet.  I can tell you that I am disappointed thus far with Seeing
 Eye GPS.
  1. It tells me I am home when I am at my neighbor's

Re: My comparison of the scene live GPS and BlindSquare

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

:-) Its purpose is to give you good knowledge where you are when you travel
by bus or you think your taxi driver tries to get more money from you than
necesssery.


On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Nicholas Parsons 
mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote:

 Did you say BlindSquare works while driving? What's the purpose of this?
 Does it mean I can now go and drive a car by myself and just have
 BlindSquare direct me? That would be pretty awesome, even if I had to stick
 to 30 MPH. :)

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Re: blind square

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Foursquare itself is a game millions of people plays around the world.
Blindsquare (and now also Seeing Eye) benefits of the fact that this
crowdsourced game creates worlds largest active register of places around
the world. If some place is missing, someone playing Foursquare will add it
and give it category + address information, because they earn points in a
game!

If you like to play this game, BlindSquare has full support for it too. You
can also check-in to places without publishing information about your
location to anyone. You still earn points and hear your score and who of
your Foursquare friends are in front of you.

I know some visually impaired are friends in Foursquare and share their
checkins. They will get push notifications about friends checkins and get
to know if they are near each other.

I have plans to have even more benefits if you start playing game while
using BlindSquare. For example, from your check-ins, BlindSquare could
learn what type of restaurants you tend to like and suggestions will get
better and better.

I once more want to say that it is not needed to play Foursquare or even
have Foursquare account to use BlindSquare. It is just an extra twist and
kind of cool to be able to do checkin by shaking the device or even get you
automatically checked in places you have given this permission.


On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi Mike.
 With foursquare, you can do something called, checking in.
 This means, you check in to the place,and you get points for checking in
 to the place. Sometimes, places like stores or restaurants will give you
 specials for checking in with 4square.

 On 2013-07-08, at 12:06 PM, Mike Busboom mbusb...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hello Matt,
 
  Since I have never used BlindSquare or 4Square, I do not know what you
 mean when you talk about checking in to a place.  Could you clarify or
 refer me to some explanatory information.
 
  Thanks and best regards!
 
  Mike
 
  On 8,Jul,2013, at 5:25 PM, Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Hi Mike.
  No, you do not need an account with 4square to use the app. The only
 reason you would need it is if you anted to check in at the place you were
 going to.
  On 2013-07-08, at 11:11 AM, Mike Busboom mbusb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I really enjoyed reading your posting, and I have one question:
 
  Before using BlindSquare, do you need to have an account with 4Square?
  I had heard that this was necessary, but I don't know for sure.
 
  Thank you very much,
 
  Mike
 
  On 29,Jun,2013, at 8:06 AM, Vivianna irish...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  i absolutely love this app.  i am still learning the new city that i
 have moved to and, this app is great for that.  yesterday, for example, i
 was on paratransit.  well, you know how they tend to drive you about, who
 knows where, while on your way to your destination?  i started my blind
 square app and just had a listen as we were going along.  we pulled into a
 parking lot, i shook the phone and it told me we were at a grocery store.
  i asked the driver; hey, are we at the grocery store and he said; we sure
 are.
  it's great for learning new streets as well as what's around you when
 on out of town trips also.
  i do use my navigation apps with ear buds though instead of
 bluetooth.  i think it's just the nature of the beast but, things seem to
 be cut out completely or the first part is chopped off.
 
  Vivianna
 
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Re: i phone users.

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

My steps were for VoiceOver too. When toy double tap and hold, do you hear
Editings apps?


On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Okay, here is the steps I followed, and it happens to me every time on my
 iPhone for S.
 Number one search for place or  get one from my places. Number to simulate
 the location.
 Number three I think it will do this also if you do tracking. Number four
 press the home key again, and go to the app switcher.
 Five try to edit the apps with double tap and hold using voice over. I
 have no idea what you do if you're not using voice over.
 I have had to restart the phone before to make the app  switcher   behave
 properly after this.
 Regards,
 GG

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 29, 2013, at 12:38 PM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hello Eugenia!

 I have not able to reproduce this. To understand it better, can you
 explain in which phase it works differently for you? I describe my steps
 here:

 1) Press Home to close BlindSquare
 2) Double tap home to open App Switcher
 3) Select BlindSquare
 4) Double tap and hold until you hear Editing apps
 5) Double tap
 6) Press Home to close App Switcher

 That will close BlindSquare.


 On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Hi again
 As far as I remember, that is right that it's not just BlindSquare that I
 couldn't stop. However, for some weird reason, and it may be an iOS  thing
 like you  say, I have never had this happen when exiting any other program.
 I have Navigon On my iPhone also, and it has never done this with the app
 switcher.  However  it wants not to stop  either. So, like you say, it is
 probably something you can't do anything about.


 Regards,
 Gigi

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 29, 2013, at 4:52 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Yes, try that out. The thing you describe is something that app has no
 control of, so it's iOS feature/problem. I believe you can't stop any other
 app either?


 On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Thanks. I did not know about 15 minutes that it would stop anyway.
 However, I am having a problem using the app switcher to close the program
 after I go in to BlindSquare. The husband turn voiceover off, and he had
 the same problem. I had to restart the iPhone. What happens is using voice
 over you have to double tap and hold in order to get into the edit apps to
 take them off of the app switcher. However the app switcher refuses to go
 into the editing feature and instead opens whatever program you Happened to
 touch. If I restart the iPhone, it doesn't do that. This is really weird,
 and I have never seen this happen before.

 However, now that I know about 15 minutes, maybe I'll just leave it
 alone since I have a for S iPhone.
 Regards,
 Gigi

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 29, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hello!

 This has nothing to do with if it detects if you are home or not, it is
 just that you have set it to run in background and it will until you stop
 it. In iOS 6 there is feature that will stop it automatically after a while
 anyway (you will hear it announced when it does) so it will not take
 battery more than 15 minutes or so. There might be limitations on which
 device models it does this, I think it needs at least 4S model.

 You can always stop it from App Switcher and it is the best way if you
 want to use all background features. Maybe someone on this list can help
 you how to do it with voiceover.
 There are other options too, you can find more info from here:
 http://blindsquare.com/faq/#why-does-it-keep-talking



 On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 2:32 AM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Hi there
 I am still too new to Blind Square to start saying what I want as
 features. There are some other programs that I can mention, like TapTapSee,
 just to name one, that I love.

 I do have a question, however, that I intended to put on the list
 anyway. Has anybody had trouble closing Blind Square? I have had a weird
 problem that if I want to close the program, and I go to the app switcher,
 and press double tap and hold to edit applications, the iPhone wants to
 open the program instead of going to edit apps. The reason I want to close
 it is because if I have put in a destination, and the program thinks I'm
 not there, it keeps talking and won't stop. This is because, for instance,
 my house is at 1019, but the program thinks I'm at 1015, which, by the way,
 is better than some GPS programs I've used. So far, this is the only thing
 that I had trouble with. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.

 Regards,
 Gigi
 On Jun 28, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hello you all!

 Thank you Eugenia for this nice posting where you describe so well the
 level of independence an iDevice can make possible.

 If Apple develops their products with great vision without

Re: i phone users.

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Yes, try that out. The thing you describe is something that app has no
control of, so it's iOS feature/problem. I believe you can't stop any other
app either?


On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Thanks. I did not know about 15 minutes that it would stop anyway.
 However, I am having a problem using the app switcher to close the program
 after I go in to BlindSquare. The husband turn voiceover off, and he had
 the same problem. I had to restart the iPhone. What happens is using voice
 over you have to double tap and hold in order to get into the edit apps to
 take them off of the app switcher. However the app switcher refuses to go
 into the editing feature and instead opens whatever program you Happened to
 touch. If I restart the iPhone, it doesn't do that. This is really weird,
 and I have never seen this happen before.

 However, now that I know about 15 minutes, maybe I'll just leave it alone
 since I have a for S iPhone.
 Regards,
 Gigi

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 29, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hello!

 This has nothing to do with if it detects if you are home or not, it is
 just that you have set it to run in background and it will until you stop
 it. In iOS 6 there is feature that will stop it automatically after a while
 anyway (you will hear it announced when it does) so it will not take
 battery more than 15 minutes or so. There might be limitations on which
 device models it does this, I think it needs at least 4S model.

 You can always stop it from App Switcher and it is the best way if you
 want to use all background features. Maybe someone on this list can help
 you how to do it with voiceover.
 There are other options too, you can find more info from here:
 http://blindsquare.com/faq/#why-does-it-keep-talking



 On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 2:32 AM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Hi there
 I am still too new to Blind Square to start saying what I want as
 features. There are some other programs that I can mention, like TapTapSee,
 just to name one, that I love.

 I do have a question, however, that I intended to put on the list anyway.
 Has anybody had trouble closing Blind Square? I have had a weird problem
 that if I want to close the program, and I go to the app switcher, and
 press double tap and hold to edit applications, the iPhone wants to open
 the program instead of going to edit apps. The reason I want to close it is
 because if I have put in a destination, and the program thinks I'm not
 there, it keeps talking and won't stop. This is because, for instance, my
 house is at 1019, but the program thinks I'm at 1015, which, by the way, is
 better than some GPS programs I've used. So far, this is the only thing
 that I had trouble with. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.

 Regards,
 Gigi
 On Jun 28, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hello you all!

 Thank you Eugenia for this nice posting where you describe so well the
 level of independence an iDevice can make possible.

 If Apple develops their products with great vision without interacting
 with end user too much, I develop BlindSquare together with end users, bit
 by bit bringing it to the level you could never get by traditional
 development style. I welcome you all to take part of this journey by giving
 your ideas what you would like to see in future versions.

 BR, Ilkka, BlindSquare dev




 On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Hi guys
 When I started out thinking about an accessible phone, I never dreamed
 that I would get a device that would have a GPS like BlindSquare on it and
 that I could get a restaurant menu on it with a braille display. I never
 dreamed of a program where I could take pictures of an item in my
 refrigerator or a can in my cabinet and find out what the thing was. When
 people talked about the camera, I remember thinking Well, who cares! I
 remember Johnathan you doing a podcast or some kind of presentation for
 Freedom Scientific talking about braille displays with an iPhone and I was
 sitting there thinking about what a stupid idea this was to have a braille
 display hooked up to a phone of all things. I remember saying to myself:
 Why would anybody want music, email, etc. on a phone of all things? Of
 course, guess what I have on my iPhone these days! I just plain flat didn't
 get it what things I could do with an iPhone. I kept thinking of it as a
 phone instead of a little bitty computer with the ability to make phone
 calls. I have a blind friend who has decided she will an iPhone eventually,
 but she doesn't get yet either. She keeps saying to me: Well, I can do all
 that right now. I guess she won't get it either until she gets one
 herself. She would love BlindSquare, but she doesn't know it yet. It's a
 case of finding out you wanted something you didn't know you wanted until
 you got it.

 Regards,
 Gigi


 On Jun 27, 2013, at 5

Re: i phone users.

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Hello Eugenia!

I have not able to reproduce this. To understand it better, can you explain
in which phase it works differently for you? I describe my steps here:

1) Press Home to close BlindSquare
2) Double tap home to open App Switcher
3) Select BlindSquare
4) Double tap and hold until you hear Editing apps
5) Double tap
6) Press Home to close App Switcher

That will close BlindSquare.


On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Hi again
 As far as I remember, that is right that it's not just BlindSquare that I
 couldn't stop. However, for some weird reason, and it may be an iOS  thing
 like you  say, I have never had this happen when exiting any other program.
 I have Navigon On my iPhone also, and it has never done this with the app
 switcher.  However  it wants not to stop  either. So, like you say, it is
 probably something you can't do anything about.


 Regards,
 Gigi

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 29, 2013, at 4:52 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Yes, try that out. The thing you describe is something that app has no
 control of, so it's iOS feature/problem. I believe you can't stop any other
 app either?


 On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Thanks. I did not know about 15 minutes that it would stop anyway.
 However, I am having a problem using the app switcher to close the program
 after I go in to BlindSquare. The husband turn voiceover off, and he had
 the same problem. I had to restart the iPhone. What happens is using voice
 over you have to double tap and hold in order to get into the edit apps to
 take them off of the app switcher. However the app switcher refuses to go
 into the editing feature and instead opens whatever program you Happened to
 touch. If I restart the iPhone, it doesn't do that. This is really weird,
 and I have never seen this happen before.

 However, now that I know about 15 minutes, maybe I'll just leave it alone
 since I have a for S iPhone.
 Regards,
 Gigi

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 29, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hello!

 This has nothing to do with if it detects if you are home or not, it is
 just that you have set it to run in background and it will until you stop
 it. In iOS 6 there is feature that will stop it automatically after a while
 anyway (you will hear it announced when it does) so it will not take
 battery more than 15 minutes or so. There might be limitations on which
 device models it does this, I think it needs at least 4S model.

 You can always stop it from App Switcher and it is the best way if you
 want to use all background features. Maybe someone on this list can help
 you how to do it with voiceover.
 There are other options too, you can find more info from here:
 http://blindsquare.com/faq/#why-does-it-keep-talking



 On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 2:32 AM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Hi there
 I am still too new to Blind Square to start saying what I want as
 features. There are some other programs that I can mention, like TapTapSee,
 just to name one, that I love.

 I do have a question, however, that I intended to put on the list
 anyway. Has anybody had trouble closing Blind Square? I have had a weird
 problem that if I want to close the program, and I go to the app switcher,
 and press double tap and hold to edit applications, the iPhone wants to
 open the program instead of going to edit apps. The reason I want to close
 it is because if I have put in a destination, and the program thinks I'm
 not there, it keeps talking and won't stop. This is because, for instance,
 my house is at 1019, but the program thinks I'm at 1015, which, by the way,
 is better than some GPS programs I've used. So far, this is the only thing
 that I had trouble with. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.

 Regards,
 Gigi
 On Jun 28, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hello you all!

 Thank you Eugenia for this nice posting where you describe so well the
 level of independence an iDevice can make possible.

 If Apple develops their products with great vision without interacting
 with end user too much, I develop BlindSquare together with end users, bit
 by bit bringing it to the level you could never get by traditional
 development style. I welcome you all to take part of this journey by giving
 your ideas what you would like to see in future versions.

 BR, Ilkka, BlindSquare dev




 On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Hi guys
 When I started out thinking about an accessible phone, I never dreamed
 that I would get a device that would have a GPS like BlindSquare on it and
 that I could get a restaurant menu on it with a braille display. I never
 dreamed of a program where I could take pictures of an item in my
 refrigerator or a can in my cabinet and find out what the thing was. When
 people talked about the camera, I remember thinking Well, who

Re: i phone users.

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Hello you all!

Thank you Eugenia for this nice posting where you describe so well the
level of independence an iDevice can make possible.

If Apple develops their products with great vision without interacting with
end user too much, I develop BlindSquare together with end users, bit by
bit bringing it to the level you could never get by traditional development
style. I welcome you all to take part of this journey by giving your ideas
what you would like to see in future versions.

BR, Ilkka, BlindSquare dev




On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Hi guys
 When I started out thinking about an accessible phone, I never dreamed
 that I would get a device that would have a GPS like BlindSquare on it and
 that I could get a restaurant menu on it with a braille display. I never
 dreamed of a program where I could take pictures of an item in my
 refrigerator or a can in my cabinet and find out what the thing was. When
 people talked about the camera, I remember thinking Well, who cares! I
 remember Johnathan you doing a podcast or some kind of presentation for
 Freedom Scientific talking about braille displays with an iPhone and I was
 sitting there thinking about what a stupid idea this was to have a braille
 display hooked up to a phone of all things. I remember saying to myself:
 Why would anybody want music, email, etc. on a phone of all things? Of
 course, guess what I have on my iPhone these days! I just plain flat didn't
 get it what things I could do with an iPhone. I kept thinking of it as a
 phone instead of a little bitty computer with the ability to make phone
 calls. I have a blind friend who has decided she will an iPhone eventually,
 but she doesn't get yet either. She keeps saying to me: Well, I can do all
 that right now. I guess she won't get it either until she gets one
 herself. She would love BlindSquare, but she doesn't know it yet. It's a
 case of finding out you wanted something you didn't know you wanted until
 you got it.

 Regards,
 Gigi


 On Jun 27, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Kerri shalo...@shaw.ca wrote:

 *grin, seriously addicted grin.
 On 2013-06-27, at 2:13 PM, Chenelle Hancock filmchenelle1...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 Hello  everyone,


 I have been an apple I Phone  user  Since  October 31, 209. When I first
 purchased  my very  first I Phone 3. g s.  I had never  texted  anyone that
 I knew with a smart phone. I didn't  have the proper access  to a smart
 phone where I could text, send email or instant  messages  let alone
  download  music and video content.  Without  having sighted
 assistancevery. So when I had my brand new I phone inside  of my hands. I
 was so elated  with joy I did not know what  to do with myself  at first.
 Now  I cannot ever see myself with out one. Now I  not only have an I
 phone  4. s. But I have a makdck book  pro and a time capsule along  with
 an I pad mini and  and finally  I have a Apple TV.  That Is how invested
  in all things apple that I am at the moment.
 For the record I will never go back to the Windows  operating system ever
 again as long as I live.
 Sincerely,  Chenelle

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Re: i phone users.

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Hello!

This has nothing to do with if it detects if you are home or not, it is
just that you have set it to run in background and it will until you stop
it. In iOS 6 there is feature that will stop it automatically after a while
anyway (you will hear it announced when it does) so it will not take
battery more than 15 minutes or so. There might be limitations on which
device models it does this, I think it needs at least 4S model.

You can always stop it from App Switcher and it is the best way if you want
to use all background features. Maybe someone on this list can help you how
to do it with voiceover.
There are other options too, you can find more info from here:
http://blindsquare.com/faq/#why-does-it-keep-talking



On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 2:32 AM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Hi there
 I am still too new to Blind Square to start saying what I want as
 features. There are some other programs that I can mention, like TapTapSee,
 just to name one, that I love.

 I do have a question, however, that I intended to put on the list anyway.
 Has anybody had trouble closing Blind Square? I have had a weird problem
 that if I want to close the program, and I go to the app switcher, and
 press double tap and hold to edit applications, the iPhone wants to open
 the program instead of going to edit apps. The reason I want to close it is
 because if I have put in a destination, and the program thinks I'm not
 there, it keeps talking and won't stop. This is because, for instance, my
 house is at 1019, but the program thinks I'm at 1015, which, by the way, is
 better than some GPS programs I've used. So far, this is the only thing
 that I had trouble with. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.

 Regards,
 Gigi
 On Jun 28, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hello you all!

 Thank you Eugenia for this nice posting where you describe so well the
 level of independence an iDevice can make possible.

 If Apple develops their products with great vision without interacting
 with end user too much, I develop BlindSquare together with end users, bit
 by bit bringing it to the level you could never get by traditional
 development style. I welcome you all to take part of this journey by giving
 your ideas what you would like to see in future versions.

 BR, Ilkka, BlindSquare dev




 On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Hi guys
 When I started out thinking about an accessible phone, I never dreamed
 that I would get a device that would have a GPS like BlindSquare on it and
 that I could get a restaurant menu on it with a braille display. I never
 dreamed of a program where I could take pictures of an item in my
 refrigerator or a can in my cabinet and find out what the thing was. When
 people talked about the camera, I remember thinking Well, who cares! I
 remember Johnathan you doing a podcast or some kind of presentation for
 Freedom Scientific talking about braille displays with an iPhone and I was
 sitting there thinking about what a stupid idea this was to have a braille
 display hooked up to a phone of all things. I remember saying to myself:
 Why would anybody want music, email, etc. on a phone of all things? Of
 course, guess what I have on my iPhone these days! I just plain flat didn't
 get it what things I could do with an iPhone. I kept thinking of it as a
 phone instead of a little bitty computer with the ability to make phone
 calls. I have a blind friend who has decided she will an iPhone eventually,
 but she doesn't get yet either. She keeps saying to me: Well, I can do all
 that right now. I guess she won't get it either until she gets one
 herself. She would love BlindSquare, but she doesn't know it yet. It's a
 case of finding out you wanted something you didn't know you wanted until
 you got it.

 Regards,
 Gigi


 On Jun 27, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Kerri shalo...@shaw.ca wrote:

 *grin, seriously addicted grin.
 On 2013-06-27, at 2:13 PM, Chenelle Hancock filmchenelle1...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 Hello  everyone,


 I have been an apple I Phone  user  Since  October 31, 209. When I first
 purchased  my very  first I Phone 3. g s.  I had never  texted  anyone that
 I knew with a smart phone. I didn't  have the proper access  to a smart
 phone where I could text, send email or instant  messages  let alone
  download  music and video content.  Without  having sighted
 assistancevery. So when I had my brand new I phone inside  of my hands. I
 was so elated  with joy I did not know what  to do with myself  at first.
 Now  I cannot ever see myself with out one. Now I  not only have an I
 phone  4. s. But I have a makdck book  pro and a time capsule along  with
 an I pad mini and  and finally  I have a Apple TV.  That Is how invested
  in all things apple that I am at the moment.
 For the record I will never go back to the Windows  operating system ever
 again as long as I live.
 Sincerely,  Chenelle

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Re: blind square on android

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Hello!

I think Android will be interesting platform in the future. I'm building
BSq alone without any investors and I'm investing all my time to bring new
features to iOS version. In first year I released 12 versions with more
than 70 new features. So, Android version is on plans but it will not
happen soon.


On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 3:27 AM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:

 How about a version for android? That would be awesome, and you would not
 have to include a TTS engine with it since Android allows the built in tts
 to be used. We need more developers to spend time on android the way they
 do on IOS, especially because more and more blind people are starting to
 use this platform
 On Jun 28, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Hello you all!
 
  Thank you Eugenia for this nice posting where you describe so well the
 level of independence an iDevice can make possible.
 
  If Apple develops their products with great vision without interacting
 with end user too much, I develop BlindSquare together with end users, bit
 by bit bringing it to the level you could never get by traditional
 development style. I welcome you all to take part of this journey by giving
 your ideas what you would like to see in future versions.
 
  BR, Ilkka, BlindSquare dev
 
 
 
 
  On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
  Hi guys
  When I started out thinking about an accessible phone, I never dreamed
 that I would get a device that would have a GPS like BlindSquare on it and
 that I could get a restaurant menu on it with a braille display. I never
 dreamed of a program where I could take pictures of an item in my
 refrigerator or a can in my cabinet and find out what the thing was. When
 people talked about the camera, I remember thinking Well, who cares! I
 remember Johnathan you doing a podcast or some kind of presentation for
 Freedom Scientific talking about braille displays with an iPhone and I was
 sitting there thinking about what a stupid idea this was to have a braille
 display hooked up to a phone of all things. I remember saying to myself:
 Why would anybody want music, email, etc. on a phone of all things? Of
 course, guess what I have on my iPhone these days! I just plain flat didn't
 get it what things I could do with an iPhone. I kept thinking of it as a
 phone instead of a little bitty computer with the ability to make phone
 calls. I have a blind friend who has decided she will an iPhone eventually,
 but she doesn't get yet either. She keeps saying to me: Well, I can do all
 that right now. I guess she won't get it either until she gets one
 herself. She would love BlindSquare, but she doesn't know it yet. It's a
 case of finding out you wanted something you didn't know you wanted until
 you got it.
 
  Regards,
  Gigi
 
 
  On Jun 27, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Kerri shalo...@shaw.ca wrote:
 
  *grin, seriously addicted grin.
  On 2013-06-27, at 2:13 PM, Chenelle Hancock filmchenelle1...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 
  Hello  everyone,
 
  I have been an apple I Phone  user  Since  October 31, 209. When I
 first purchased  my very  first I Phone 3. g s.  I had never  texted
  anyone that I knew with a smart phone. I didn't  have the proper access
  to a smart phone where I could text, send email or instant  messages  let
 alone  download  music and video content.  Without  having sighted
 assistancevery. So when I had my brand new I phone inside  of my hands. I
 was so elated  with joy I did not know what  to do with myself  at first.
  Now  I cannot ever see myself with out one. Now I  not only have an I
 phone  4. s. But I have a makdck book  pro and a time capsule along  with
 an I pad mini and  and finally  I have a Apple TV.  That Is how invested
  in all things apple that I am at the moment.
  For the record I will never go back to the Windows  operating system
 ever again as long as I live.
  Sincerely,  Chenelle
 
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Re: Bone conduction your phones with iPhone

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

I have tested many bone conduction headphones and AfterShokz is the best
ones I have used.
You need first decide if you want it with wires or wireless.

My suggestion with wires is
AfterShokz Sportz M2 -model. It has microphone too, so you can make phone
calls too and control Siri.

For wireless there is
AfterShokz Bluez -model. It is using bluetooth and it has microphone too.


On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.ukwrote:

 Hello Gigi,

 I have Aftershokz headphones and love them, especially when out using GPS
 on my iPhone. They're really comfortable and work well.

 Cheers,

 Anne


 On 14 Jun 2013, at 20:30, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

  Hi guys
  I bought BlindSquare for my iPhone yesterday. It recommends getting bone
 conduction your phones, and I found the ones on Amazon for aftershock. The
 reviews I read seemed somewhat mixed. But these people were using them for
 different things that I want to use them for. A lot of them were using it
 for music and phone calls. However, I want to hear GPS information on. If
 anybody's got some of these things, do you like them?
  Regards,
  Gigi
 
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Re: Blind Square again

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Yes, that's how to do it. In next version you can also search it in advance
and mark as favorite: Then you find it from your My Places.

Searching by multi-word-search-term works okay but best match is not
always shown first since they are sorted by distance. This is fixed in
soon-to-be-released version.  It shows first best matches sorted by
distance and after them other places that has near match.


On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Lisette Wesseling 
lisettewessel...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi
 Just search for the bank  using the search field, and then you can turn
 tracking on as you physically go there.

 On 3/11/2012, at 5:33 AM, Mary Scott bluespru...@comcast.net wrote:

  Is there a way to tell it where I want to go say, Wells Fargo Bank, and
 it will create a route from my house?  Do I need to go to the bank myself
 and then name it as one of My Places?  I am feeling rather thick headed
 about this.  Sorry.  Mel
 
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Re: Blindsquare again

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Hello!

You can add place when you are at the location. So it takes coordinates
where you are and saves that with the name. Is this the case?

I'm just adding a feature that you can search any foursquare venue and then
add that as a favorite. That way you can also add places where you are not
at the moment...


On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Mary Scott bluespru...@comcast.net wrote:

 I do not understand My Places.  I was thinking I could put the name of a
 place that I go to often and then choose it when I am ready to go there but
 it tells me I am 20 feet from both of them.  I also put in my hair salon
 which it found but the directions seemed backwards.  How do I go from home
 to a place with directions on how to get there?  Mel

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Re: How Best to Track My placees

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

I do have a counters in beta version so I can give some numbers. If you are
in area where there is reasonable amount of places, one call to FourSquare
is 32 KB. I tested that in center of New York, it's 40 KB. One call the get
nearest street crossings (OSM) is 4 KB.

BlindSquare knows the area it has got from 4sq and OSM so it makes new
query when you are on boundary of last query. If you make category search
or search by name, FourSquare result is 10-40 KB.

If we estimate that BS makes 20 queries to 4sq in 60 minutes and 30 to OSM,
it would mean 40*20 + 4*30 = 920 KB / hour. It's about 8 mb/h (mega
bits/hour). I hope my math is okay. I can also test this in practice. If
you drive by car you get more often to the boundaries and BS needs new data.

PS. I'm currently implementing caching. It minimizes data usage when you
are on same area and it gives also possibility to off-line use (for example
preloading area from hotel wifi if you are abroad).


On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 1:28 AM, Mauricio Almeida 
mauriciopmalme...@gmail.com wrote:

 hello there.

 I want to use this app, but iw ould like to discuss something with you
 first.
 do you have any way of estimating how much data it uses? i want to upgrade
 my plan accordingly.

 thank you

 mauricio

 On Nov 3, 2012, at 6:26 PM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 It's 15 USD. You pay it once and use it forever. Big part of the price is
 it's own TTS that some users love and someone would like that it would use
 VoiceOver only.

 I have to also mention that it uses paid high quality backend services for
 OpenStreetMaps that I pay for each users all the time. I just can't lower
 the price to be able to make this kind of app possible. But it's worth it
 anyway :-)

 If you don't like it, there is alway Apple policy that makes returning the
 app possible. App has been available for 6 months and I have seen one
 return!


 On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 5:02 PM, matthew Dyer matthewdyer...@msn.comwrote:

 How much is this app?  Is there a way to try it first before I buy?

 Matthew


 On Nov 3, 2012, at 1:23 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa wrote:

 When you select a target, it reports your distance and clock face to that
 target. When you were on a bus, were you sitting close to window and your
 device on the side of the window? You should do that, then device has GPS
 signal. Otherwise it uses cell tower estimation or even wifi based location
 that can be inaccurate or even wrong: I have seen that database of wifi
 locations is usually just okay but if some people have moved, they have
 moved also that wifi to new address and your location might jump! For this
 reason I have warning mechanism in BlindSquare if it notices this kind of
 jump.

 So, please make sure you have clean coordinates on your places you are
 tracking and make sure you have best possible GPS accuracy when tracking.
 And let me know when you have tested it more.


 On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.comwrote:

 I am confused about how to track.  I set a place from within my places
 which was at an office I work out of.  I set it up at my home address.  It
 reported after I set it up that it was 0 feet; at the time, I ignored that
 message.  I then got on the bus and while on route, started tracking the
 office.  I first heard the target address and it reported 1.7 miles.  I
 assumed that was the distance to the tracking location.  However, as we got
 closer to it, the distance went up.  When I got off the bus, I heard the
 distance reported as close to three miles.  When I got close to the
 location, it reported I was about five feet away, but this occurred on a
 previous trip before I had set a location to track.  So my question is what
 does the distance represent?  Is it the distance from my house where I set
 the location to the actual location?  By the way, when I reached my home on
 the return trip, I heard my address announced, as well as the tracked
 location of 0 feet.  I thought tracking a location meant the closer you
 got, the smaller the distance to the location?  Please explain how this
 works.  Thanks.

 Les
 On Nov 2, 2012, at 1:30 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hello! When you have searched the target (by category list, search,
 recent places or My Places) and you are on page that shows name, address,
 phone number etc. (what information exists for that place), there are two
 buttons:

 1) Start Tracking: BS starts to report constantly distance and clock
 face direction where the place is. This is not turn-by-turn
 2) Plan a route: BS finds what navigation apps you have installed and
 you can start Navigon, TomTom, MotionX or Apple Maps to navigate to
 selected target. BS will stay on background reporting street crossings and
 POIs



 On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:58 AM, keith weatherly 
 musicma...@walterharper.org wrote:

 hello, i just bought the blindsquare app today and i was just wondering
 how do i get it to tell me how to get

Re: Best GPS for me?

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Yes, that's my plan. Actually, recording functionality is already
implemented and has been in use for beta testers for several months. I use
it to fine tune how street crossings are reported: Beta testers can record
a route and email it to me. I then open route on top of the map where I can
see exactly how it worked out (it shows route, all spoken texts, locations
of crossings, locations of spoken texts, all sensor information etc.). I
really need to thank all beta testers for recording routes (hundreds of
miles) for me.

What we need next is functionality that speaks you through a route. I'm
going to use that both for recorded routes but also for turn-by-turn
navigation. I have some other work going on before this but this is on a
short list of next development tasks.

Best place would be front pocket of jacket. It's important to place it
screen facing your chest. BS will use compass instead of GPS if you are
indoors or if you are not moved. It notices your device orientation but it
expects the device to be that way.



On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Krister Ekstrom
kris...@kristersplace.comwrote:

 Hi Ilkkaa,
 Will it be possible in a future version of Blind square to record routes
 that you walk and have the app guide you along those routes, much as the
 Trekker Breeze does now with more or less good results? And on another
 subject, what is the best way to carry the phone while using Blindsquare? I
 want to carry the phone in a pocket so that i at least have one hand free.
 /Krister

 2 nov 2012 kl. 20:03 skrev Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com:

  Great, I'll study that and I already have some ideas...
 
 
  On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Juan Pablo jpcula...@gmail.com wrote:
  Sure, I understand. But with the new 6.1 won’t be necessary bs launches
 apple maps to do it. wlEmoticon-smile[1].png
 
  From: Ilkka Pirttimaa
  Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 4:32 PM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Best GPS for me?
 
  I can't comment 6.1 due to NDA...
 
  But BS uses Apple Maps already in 6.0 -- It launches Apple Maps with
 navigation started and stays background adding comments about street
 crossings and POIs.
 
 
  On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Juan Pablo jpcula...@gmail.com wrote:
  Ilkka,
  There is comming a very interesting feature in iOS6.1. Now in beta for
 developers, I reed in some foruns that will be possible uses apple maps in
 third apps. Blindscare going to use this one?
  From: Ilkka Pirttimaa
  Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 1:44 PM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Best GPS for me?
 
  If you have iOS6, BlindSquare can launch it's turn-by-turn, so you don't
 need anything else. If you have some other turn-by-turn you like (TomTom,
 Navigon, MotionX), BS can launch them too.
 
  There is a plan for internal turn-by-turn inside BlindSquare but you
 have to wait maybe few months before you find it in BlindSquare.
 
 
  On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Mary Scott bluespru...@comcast.net
 wrote:
  I am a little confused.  Are you saying that in order for me to get turn
 by turn prompts for a targeted destination like going from my house to the
 bank, I need an additional GPS like Tom Tom also?  Mel
 
  On Nov 2, 2012, at 3:36 AM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Version 1.20 is now in the App Store.
 
  Les
  On Nov 2, 2012, at 1:30 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Hello! When you have searched the target (by category list, search,
 recent places or My Places) and you are on page that shows name, address,
 phone number etc. (what information exists for that place), there are two
 buttons:
 
  1) Start Tracking: BS starts to report constantly distance and clock
 face direction where the place is. This is not turn-by-turn
  2) Plan a route: BS finds what navigation apps you have installed
 and you can start Navigon, TomTom, MotionX or Apple Maps to navigate to
 selected target. BS will stay on background reporting street crossings and
 POIs
 
 
 
  On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:58 AM, keith weatherly 
 musicma...@walterharper.org wrote:
  hello, i just bought the blindsquare app today and i was just
 wondering how do i get it to tell me how to get from one point to the next
 point? for example when i come out of my apartment and want to walk to the
 store across the street from the apartment complex or maybe the church a
 little ways down the street. Are there certon settings that i need to use?
 I was riding in the car with a friend and it did anounce when he was at the
 diferent streets as well as the stores in view. I just want to know how i
 can use it for walking and get constent prompt to my destonation. Thank you
 in advance.
  - Original Message - From: Ilkka Pirttimaa 
 ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:13 AM
 
  Subject: Re: Best GPS for me?
 
 
  Yes, just open App Store on your iPhone and search blindsquare.
  Here is link

Re: How Best to Track My placees

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

It's 15 USD. You pay it once and use it forever. Big part of the price is
it's own TTS that some users love and someone would like that it would use
VoiceOver only.

I have to also mention that it uses paid high quality backend services for
OpenStreetMaps that I pay for each users all the time. I just can't lower
the price to be able to make this kind of app possible. But it's worth it
anyway :-)

If you don't like it, there is alway Apple policy that makes returning the
app possible. App has been available for 6 months and I have seen one
return!


On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 5:02 PM, matthew Dyer matthewdyer...@msn.com wrote:

 How much is this app?  Is there a way to try it first before I buy?

 Matthew


 On Nov 3, 2012, at 1:23 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa wrote:

 When you select a target, it reports your distance and clock face to that
 target. When you were on a bus, were you sitting close to window and your
 device on the side of the window? You should do that, then device has GPS
 signal. Otherwise it uses cell tower estimation or even wifi based location
 that can be inaccurate or even wrong: I have seen that database of wifi
 locations is usually just okay but if some people have moved, they have
 moved also that wifi to new address and your location might jump! For this
 reason I have warning mechanism in BlindSquare if it notices this kind of
 jump.

 So, please make sure you have clean coordinates on your places you are
 tracking and make sure you have best possible GPS accuracy when tracking.
 And let me know when you have tested it more.


 On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am confused about how to track.  I set a place from within my places
 which was at an office I work out of.  I set it up at my home address.  It
 reported after I set it up that it was 0 feet; at the time, I ignored that
 message.  I then got on the bus and while on route, started tracking the
 office.  I first heard the target address and it reported 1.7 miles.  I
 assumed that was the distance to the tracking location.  However, as we got
 closer to it, the distance went up.  When I got off the bus, I heard the
 distance reported as close to three miles.  When I got close to the
 location, it reported I was about five feet away, but this occurred on a
 previous trip before I had set a location to track.  So my question is what
 does the distance represent?  Is it the distance from my house where I set
 the location to the actual location?  By the way, when I reached my home on
 the return trip, I heard my address announced, as well as the tracked
 location of 0 feet.  I thought tracking a location meant the closer you
 got, the smaller the distance to the location?  Please explain how this
 works.  Thanks.

 Les
 On Nov 2, 2012, at 1:30 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hello! When you have searched the target (by category list, search,
 recent places or My Places) and you are on page that shows name, address,
 phone number etc. (what information exists for that place), there are two
 buttons:

 1) Start Tracking: BS starts to report constantly distance and clock
 face direction where the place is. This is not turn-by-turn
 2) Plan a route: BS finds what navigation apps you have installed and
 you can start Navigon, TomTom, MotionX or Apple Maps to navigate to
 selected target. BS will stay on background reporting street crossings and
 POIs



 On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:58 AM, keith weatherly 
 musicma...@walterharper.org wrote:

 hello, i just bought the blindsquare app today and i was just wondering
 how do i get it to tell me how to get from one point to the next point? for
 example when i come out of my apartment and want to walk to the store
 across the street from the apartment complex or maybe the church a little
 ways down the street. Are there certon settings that i need to use? I was
 riding in the car with a friend and it did anounce when he was at the
 diferent streets as well as the stores in view. I just want to know how i
 can use it for walking and get constent prompt to my destonation. Thank you
 in advance.
 - Original Message - From: Ilkka Pirttimaa 
 ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.**com macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 
 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:13 AM

 Subject: Re: Best GPS for me?


  Yes, just open App Store on your iPhone and search blindsquare.
 Here is link too: https://itunes.apple.com/us/**
 app/blindsquare/id500557255?**mt=8https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/blindsquare/id500557255?mt=8

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Re: Best GPS for me?

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

If you have iOS6, BlindSquare can launch it's turn-by-turn, so you don't
need anything else. If you have some other turn-by-turn you like (TomTom,
Navigon, MotionX), BS can launch them too.

There is a plan for internal turn-by-turn inside BlindSquare but you have
to wait maybe few months before you find it in BlindSquare.


On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Mary Scott bluespru...@comcast.net wrote:

 I am a little confused.  Are you saying that in order for me to get turn
 by turn prompts for a targeted destination like going from my house to the
 bank, I need an additional GPS like Tom Tom also?  Mel

 On Nov 2, 2012, at 3:36 AM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote:

 Version 1.20 is now in the App Store.

 Les
 On Nov 2, 2012, at 1:30 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hello! When you have searched the target (by category list, search, recent
 places or My Places) and you are on page that shows name, address, phone
 number etc. (what information exists for that place), there are two buttons:

 1) Start Tracking: BS starts to report constantly distance and clock
 face direction where the place is. This is not turn-by-turn
 2) Plan a route: BS finds what navigation apps you have installed and
 you can start Navigon, TomTom, MotionX or Apple Maps to navigate to
 selected target. BS will stay on background reporting street crossings and
 POIs



 On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:58 AM, keith weatherly 
 musicma...@walterharper.org wrote:

 hello, i just bought the blindsquare app today and i was just wondering
 how do i get it to tell me how to get from one point to the next point? for
 example when i come out of my apartment and want to walk to the store
 across the street from the apartment complex or maybe the church a little
 ways down the street. Are there certon settings that i need to use? I was
 riding in the car with a friend and it did anounce when he was at the
 diferent streets as well as the stores in view. I just want to know how i
 can use it for walking and get constent prompt to my destonation. Thank you
 in advance.
 - Original Message - From: Ilkka Pirttimaa 
 ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.**com macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:13 AM

 Subject: Re: Best GPS for me?


  Yes, just open App Store on your iPhone and search blindsquare.
 Here is link too: https://itunes.apple.com/us/**
 app/blindsquare/id500557255?**mt=8https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/blindsquare/id500557255?mt=8

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Re: Best GPS for me?

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Hallo Matthew!

I'm BlindSquare developer and to answer your question I would start by
saying This is something else. It's kind of swiss army knife app for the
blind. I had initial idea how to do augmented reality app for the blind but
within 6 months I have done 4 major releases implementing ideas what users
have requested. Some feature requests still are under planning and I'm not
going to break it by introducing complexity. It should be super easy to use
for everybody.

You can find this from this chain but I'll repost what I wrote earlier.
About what BlindSquare does: It reports automatically street addresses
while you walk, next street crossing, automatic pedometer reading
(you have walked 700 meters in 7 minutes) and reporting of nearby
places by categories (it automatically picks most popular places
within selected radius, based on foursquare check-ins). This all
happens just by launching the app so it takes no time to start using
the app, even if you don't use FourSquare yourself.

If you take phone out of the pocket, you can search categories, set
reporting certain category on/off, look around (you get information
what kind of places and what street crossings are in different
directions), search with free search term, view information of places
(name, address, phone number, www-site, twitter feed), start
navigation to the place or do foursquare check-in.

When you jump into the bus, BlindSquare  automatically notices it and
starts reporting street crossing while bus is making a turn so you can
keep track where you are.

You can also add placemarks for yourself. They are synced to iCloud so
if you have several devices (for example iPad + iPhone), you always
get informed when you get near that place. Some users use this to give
warning about bus stop they need to get off.



On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 4:32 PM, matthew Dyer matthewdyer...@msn.com wrote:

Hi,

 What is this blind square?  Is this a gps app?  Thanks.


 On Nov 1, 2012, at 11:58 PM, keith weatherly wrote:

  hello, i just bought the blindsquare app today and i was just wondering
 how do i get it to tell me how to get from one point to the next point? for
 example when i come out of my apartment and want to walk to the store
 across the street from the apartment complex or maybe the church a little
 ways down the street. Are there certon settings that i need to use? I was
 riding in the car with a friend and it did anounce when he was at the
 diferent streets as well as the stores in view. I just want to know how i
 can use it for walking and get constent prompt to my destonation. Thank you
 in advance.
  - Original Message - From: Ilkka Pirttimaa 
 ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:13 AM
  Subject: Re: Best GPS for me?
 
 
  Yes, just open App Store on your iPhone and search blindsquare.
  Here is link too:
 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/blindsquare/id500557255?mt=8
 
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Re: Best GPS for me?

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

I can't comment 6.1 due to NDA...

But BS uses Apple Maps already in 6.0 -- It launches Apple Maps with
navigation started and stays background adding comments about street
crossings and POIs.


On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Juan Pablo jpcula...@gmail.com wrote:

   Ilkka,
  There is comming a very interesting feature in iOS6.1. Now in beta for
 developers, I reed in some foruns that will be possible uses apple maps in
 third apps. Blindscare going to use this one?
  *From:* Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Friday, November 02, 2012 1:44 PM
 *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: Best GPS for me?

  If you have iOS6, BlindSquare can launch it's turn-by-turn, so you don't
 need anything else. If you have some other turn-by-turn you like (TomTom,
 Navigon, MotionX), BS can launch them too.

 There is a plan for internal turn-by-turn inside BlindSquare but you have
 to wait maybe few months before you find it in BlindSquare.


 On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Mary Scott bluespru...@comcast.netwrote:

 I am a little confused.  Are you saying that in order for me to get turn
 by turn prompts for a targeted destination like going from my house to the
 bank, I need an additional GPS like Tom Tom also?  Mel

  On Nov 2, 2012, at 3:36 AM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote:

  Version 1.20 is now in the App Store.

 Les
  On Nov 2, 2012, at 1:30 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hello! When you have searched the target (by category list, search,
 recent places or My Places) and you are on page that shows name, address,
 phone number etc. (what information exists for that place), there are two
 buttons:

 1) Start Tracking: BS starts to report constantly distance and clock
 face direction where the place is. This is not turn-by-turn
 2) Plan a route: BS finds what navigation apps you have installed and
 you can start Navigon, TomTom, MotionX or Apple Maps to navigate to
 selected target. BS will stay on background reporting street crossings and
 POIs



 On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:58 AM, keith weatherly 
 musicma...@walterharper.org wrote:

 hello, i just bought the blindsquare app today and i was just wondering
 how do i get it to tell me how to get from one point to the next point? for
 example when i come out of my apartment and want to walk to the store
 across the street from the apartment complex or maybe the church a little
 ways down the street. Are there certon settings that i need to use? I was
 riding in the car with a friend and it did anounce when he was at the
 diferent streets as well as the stores in view. I just want to know how i
 can use it for walking and get constent prompt to my destonation. Thank you
 in advance.
 - Original Message - From: Ilkka Pirttimaa 
 ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.**com macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 
 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:13 AM

 Subject: Re: Best GPS for me?


  Yes, just open App Store on your iPhone and search blindsquare.
 Here is link too: https://itunes.apple.com/us/**
 app/blindsquare/id500557255?**mt=8https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/blindsquare/id500557255?mt=8

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Re: Best GPS for me?

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Great, I'll study that and I already have some ideas...


On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Juan Pablo jpcula...@gmail.com wrote:

   Sure, I understand. But with the new 6.1 won’t be necessary bs launches
 apple maps to do it. [image: Smile]

  *From:* Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Friday, November 02, 2012 4:32 PM
 *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: Best GPS for me?

 I can't comment 6.1 due to NDA...

 But BS uses Apple Maps already in 6.0 -- It launches Apple Maps with
 navigation started and stays background adding comments about street
 crossings and POIs.


 On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Juan Pablo jpcula...@gmail.com wrote:

   Ilkka,
  There is comming a very interesting feature in iOS6.1. Now in beta for
 developers, I reed in some foruns that will be possible uses apple maps in
 third apps. Blindscare going to use this one?
  *From:* Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Friday, November 02, 2012 1:44 PM
 *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  *Subject:* Re: Best GPS for me?

   If you have iOS6, BlindSquare can launch it's turn-by-turn, so you
 don't need anything else. If you have some other turn-by-turn you like
 (TomTom, Navigon, MotionX), BS can launch them too.

 There is a plan for internal turn-by-turn inside BlindSquare but you have
 to wait maybe few months before you find it in BlindSquare.


  On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Mary Scott bluespru...@comcast.netwrote:

  I am a little confused.  Are you saying that in order for me to get
 turn by turn prompts for a targeted destination like going from my house to
 the bank, I need an additional GPS like Tom Tom also?  Mel

  On Nov 2, 2012, at 3:36 AM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote:

  Version 1.20 is now in the App Store.

 Les
  On Nov 2, 2012, at 1:30 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hello! When you have searched the target (by category list, search,
 recent places or My Places) and you are on page that shows name, address,
 phone number etc. (what information exists for that place), there are two
 buttons:

 1) Start Tracking: BS starts to report constantly distance and clock
 face direction where the place is. This is not turn-by-turn
 2) Plan a route: BS finds what navigation apps you have installed and
 you can start Navigon, TomTom, MotionX or Apple Maps to navigate to
 selected target. BS will stay on background reporting street crossings and
 POIs



 On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:58 AM, keith weatherly 
 musicma...@walterharper.org wrote:

 hello, i just bought the blindsquare app today and i was just wondering
 how do i get it to tell me how to get from one point to the next point? for
 example when i come out of my apartment and want to walk to the store
 across the street from the apartment complex or maybe the church a little
 ways down the street. Are there certon settings that i need to use? I was
 riding in the car with a friend and it did anounce when he was at the
 diferent streets as well as the stores in view. I just want to know how i
 can use it for walking and get constent prompt to my destonation. Thank you
 in advance.
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 ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.**commacvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 
 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:13 AM

 Subject: Re: Best GPS for me?


  Yes, just open App Store on your iPhone and search blindsquare.
 Here is link too: https://itunes.apple.com/us/**
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Re: How Best to Track My placees

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

When you select a target, it reports your distance and clock face to that
target. When you were on a bus, were you sitting close to window and your
device on the side of the window? You should do that, then device has GPS
signal. Otherwise it uses cell tower estimation or even wifi based location
that can be inaccurate or even wrong: I have seen that database of wifi
locations is usually just okay but if some people have moved, they have
moved also that wifi to new address and your location might jump! For this
reason I have warning mechanism in BlindSquare if it notices this kind of
jump.

So, please make sure you have clean coordinates on your places you are
tracking and make sure you have best possible GPS accuracy when tracking.
And let me know when you have tested it more.


On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am confused about how to track.  I set a place from within my places
 which was at an office I work out of.  I set it up at my home address.  It
 reported after I set it up that it was 0 feet; at the time, I ignored that
 message.  I then got on the bus and while on route, started tracking the
 office.  I first heard the target address and it reported 1.7 miles.  I
 assumed that was the distance to the tracking location.  However, as we got
 closer to it, the distance went up.  When I got off the bus, I heard the
 distance reported as close to three miles.  When I got close to the
 location, it reported I was about five feet away, but this occurred on a
 previous trip before I had set a location to track.  So my question is what
 does the distance represent?  Is it the distance from my house where I set
 the location to the actual location?  By the way, when I reached my home on
 the return trip, I heard my address announced, as well as the tracked
 location of 0 feet.  I thought tracking a location meant the closer you
 got, the smaller the distance to the location?  Please explain how this
 works.  Thanks.

 Les
 On Nov 2, 2012, at 1:30 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hello! When you have searched the target (by category list, search, recent
 places or My Places) and you are on page that shows name, address, phone
 number etc. (what information exists for that place), there are two buttons:

 1) Start Tracking: BS starts to report constantly distance and clock
 face direction where the place is. This is not turn-by-turn
 2) Plan a route: BS finds what navigation apps you have installed and
 you can start Navigon, TomTom, MotionX or Apple Maps to navigate to
 selected target. BS will stay on background reporting street crossings and
 POIs



 On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:58 AM, keith weatherly 
 musicma...@walterharper.org wrote:

 hello, i just bought the blindsquare app today and i was just wondering
 how do i get it to tell me how to get from one point to the next point? for
 example when i come out of my apartment and want to walk to the store
 across the street from the apartment complex or maybe the church a little
 ways down the street. Are there certon settings that i need to use? I was
 riding in the car with a friend and it did anounce when he was at the
 diferent streets as well as the stores in view. I just want to know how i
 can use it for walking and get constent prompt to my destonation. Thank you
 in advance.
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 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:13 AM

 Subject: Re: Best GPS for me?


  Yes, just open App Store on your iPhone and search blindsquare.
 Here is link too: https://itunes.apple.com/us/**
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Hello! When you have searched the target (by category list, search, recent
places or My Places) and you are on page that shows name, address, phone
number etc. (what information exists for that place), there are two buttons:

1) Start Tracking: BS starts to report constantly distance and clock face
direction where the place is. This is not turn-by-turn
2) Plan a route: BS finds what navigation apps you have installed and you
can start Navigon, TomTom, MotionX or Apple Maps to navigate to selected
target. BS will stay on background reporting street crossings and POIs



On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:58 AM, keith weatherly musicma...@walterharper.org
 wrote:

 hello, i just bought the blindsquare app today and i was just wondering
 how do i get it to tell me how to get from one point to the next point? for
 example when i come out of my apartment and want to walk to the store
 across the street from the apartment complex or maybe the church a little
 ways down the street. Are there certon settings that i need to use? I was
 riding in the car with a friend and it did anounce when he was at the
 diferent streets as well as the stores in view. I just want to know how i
 can use it for walking and get constent prompt to my destonation. Thank you
 in advance.
 - Original Message - From: Ilkka Pirttimaa 
 ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.**com macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:13 AM

 Subject: Re: Best GPS for me?


  Yes, just open App Store on your iPhone and search blindsquare.
 Here is link too: https://itunes.apple.com/us/**
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Re: Best GPS for me?

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When you add your wifes workplace to My Places following happens:

1) When you get within selected radius, place is mentioned
automatically when you get close (so, in a bus you get warning)
2) When you are within selected radius, selecting My Places category
lists this place and you can start tracking
3) When ever you go to Tools / My Places you get list of ALL of your
places. You can start navigation or tracking from there even if you
are outside of radius

If you start tracking the place, it is not mentioned so often when you
are more than 500 meters away. Distance and direction is reported more
often when you get closer.

Basically on main screen, everything is in scope of selected radius.
When you go sub screens, you get wider look (search, my places)

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Re: Best GPS for me?

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Yes, just open App Store on your iPhone and search blindsquare.
Here is link too: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/blindsquare/id500557255?mt=8

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Re: Best GPS for me?

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

For your knowledge, version 1.20 is sent to Apple for review. It will
have following changes:

NEW FEATURE: Works on background. You can disable this from settings.
NEW FEATURE: FourSquare leaderboard announcements
NEW FEATURE: Volume can be changed
NEW FEATURE: Web page of the venue can be opened
NEW FEATURE: Accessibility information is shown (Only Helsinki, Finland)
NEW FEATURE: Full support for iPhone 5
NEW FEATURE: Support for iOS 6 navigation
NEW FEATURE: If Speech switch is set to off, it's automatically turned
on if you use any other function
CHANGE: New version of Acapela speech synthesis
CHANGE: Selected radius is saved
CHANGE: Maximum speaking rate increased
CHANGE: Better control for bluetooth speakers
FIX: Upside Down orientation supported with iPhone 5
FIX: Minor fixes for iOS 6

NOTICE: Landscape usage is not supported anymore with iPhone because
it caused some problems. Compass still works in any orientations if
your screen is towards you. With iPhone 5 you can place your device to
your pocket upside down and compass notices this.
Usage of the proximity sensor is removed because it caused problems
for people reading screen from short distance. It is not needed
anymore since lock screen is now supported (background operation).
Background operation is on by default. It is not possible to listen to
music with background operation turned on. You can enable music
listening from settings.

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Re: Best GPS for me?

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You can check-in to Home too, so you will get points :-)

FourSquare will not publish location of your home outside of your
friends. I just checked that when I'm not logged in, 4sq give overall
map of the area with text Since this is a home, the exact location is
not shared here. This map is of the approximate area.

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Tammy tcl...@rogers.com wrote:
 Hi,

 Can you check in there on foursquare as well and have it show up publicly as
 home or whatever you've called it?


 Tammy

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 I'm glad you like it. Next version is in Apple for review and it
 support background operation too among other new features.

 You can add a personal place by going to Tools (second button form top
 of the screen) and My places. It gives a list of your places and you
 can use it as any search result list: Browse places, open for more
 info, start tracking etc. On top bar there is Add-button.

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Re: Blindsquare (was Best GPS for me?)

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It works totally without FourSquare. My initial idea was to make an
app that you can use without any knowledge of smartphones. You don't
even need to have FourSquare account. It can still access foursquare
database and it get's information about other users check-in counts.
That way it knows what is the most popular cafe within 200 meter
radius where ever you are. I think this is kind of cool: People that
likes to play game of FourSquare are helping you to find places that
are the best (or at least most popular) of that category!

No other data source of POI's has this kind of information about REAL
popularity compared to other places.

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Re: Best GPS for me?

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Tammy, currently there is no way to use BlindSquare to add place to
FourSquare. It's planned feature but now you have to do that with
FourSquare client. BlindSquare will then show it in category Shared
Places (I think it describes it better than Private, since it's
shared among your 4sq frends).

In BlindSquare you can add your own places. They are totally private
to only you. They are stored to iCloud and synced in real time to your
other devices if you happen to have for example iPad and iPhone.

I have planned a feature that you could sync your own place to
FourSquare but I haven't done that for 3 reasons:

1) You can already do it by using FourSquare client
2) There is no way to delete own place from FourSquare via API
3) I have so much more interesting ideas under development so I think
you would like them to be implemented first :-)

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Re: Best GPS for me?

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I'm glad you like it. Next version is in Apple for review and it
support background operation too among other new features.

You can add a personal place by going to Tools (second button form top
of the screen) and My places. It gives a list of your places and you
can use it as any search result list: Browse places, open for more
info, start tracking etc. On top bar there is Add-button.

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Re: Best GPS for me?

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Hello! I'm developer of BlindSquare. There is no try-and-buy option
since TTS costs always. You can still use Apple's returning policies,
there is always possibility to return app and get money back.

About what BlindSquare does: It reports automatically street addresses
while you walk, next street crossing, automatic pedometer reading
(you have walked 700 meters in 7 minutes) and reporting of nearby
places by categories (it automatically picks most popular places
within selected radius, based on foursquare check-ins). This all
happens just by launching the app so it takes no time to start using
the app, even if you don't use FourSquare yourself.

If you take phone out of the pocket, you can search categories, set
reporting certain category on/off, look around (you get information
what kind of places and what street crossings are in different
directions), search with free search term, view information of places
(name, address, phone number, www-site, twitter feed), start
navigation to the place or do foursquare check-in.

When you jump into the bus, BlindSquare  automatically notices it and
starts reporting street crossing while bus is making a turn so you can
keep track where you are.

You can also add placemarks for yourself. They are synced to iCloud so
if you have several devices (for example iPad + iPhone), you always
get informed when you get near that place. Some users use this to give
warning about bus stop they need to get off.

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Re: Best GPS for me?

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Thanks Vivianna. Since launch (in late May this year) I have published
3 major releases and 4th is under Apple's review. Most of the features
are ideas from real users and I think this is the only way to get
there what title of this thread says :-)

BR, Ilkka

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Re: Best GPS for me?

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Android hasn't been so good for visually impaired but I have tested
latest version and it seems to catch up Apple. It's true what you say
about TTS. In my development version I have VoiceOver -only but it's
just so bad compared to Acapela TTS that I'll not publish it.

If I find a partner or investor to make it possible to hire dev team,
Android version could be possible. Otherwise I'll continue developing
iOS version only -- I have lot of cool ideas how to bring it to the
next level...

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Re: Best GPS for me?

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BlindSquare uses OpenStreetMaps. It has better license than Google
Maps. There is also neat data available that BS doesn't use - yet. For
example information about traffic lights and locations of entrances.

I've been also speaking to some members of  OpenStreetMap community.
You can't ask them to create new maps as you wish but they love the
idea that when they do add features to the map they can help blind
community.

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