Re: Resetting an iPhone 8 after VO bug

[Jenine Stanley]

Thanks. That would make sense and I’ll have to try it. My phone rebooted on its 
own once the battery went completely dead. VO came back and I changed the voice 
to Allison to avoid the Siri issues. Let’s hope this works. 

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:16 AM, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi. I don't have an iPhone 8 but I've heard from people that do. Apparently, 
> the volume buttons reset the phone now. It's either hold both the volume 
> buttons down for 5 seconds or hold the volume down button for 5 seconds and 
> the volume up button for 5 seconds individually. Sorry I can't be of any 
> help, a group from Whatsapp was talking about this.
> 
> Shawn
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>> On Oct 10, 2017, at 11:44 AM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’m running iOS 11.1 beta and my VO, which was running the British Siri 
>> voice, just stopped. I have VO sounds but no voice. I have Siri. 
>> 
>> I have tried the 3finger double tap and nothing speaks. 
>> How do you reboot the phone? 
>> 
>> I’ve tried holding the home button and power button together but that 
>> doesn’t seem to work. I learned quickly not to do this with the volume 
>> buttons and power button. that calls 911. Oops. 
>> 
>> Of course Apple recommended going back to 11.02. 
>> 
>> I’d like to continue with the beta though. in the past beta cycles,  
>> 
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Resetting an iPhone 8 after VO bug

[Jenine Stanley]

I’m running iOS 11.1 beta and my VO, which was running the British Siri voice, 
just stopped. I have VO sounds but no voice. I have Siri. 

I have tried the 3finger double tap and nothing speaks. 
How do you reboot the phone? 

I’ve tried holding the home button and power button together but that doesn’t 
seem to work. I learned quickly not to do this with the volume buttons and 
power button. that calls 911. Oops. 

Of course Apple recommended going back to 11.02. 

I’d like to continue with the beta though. in the past beta cycles,  

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color identifying apps

[Jenine Stanley]

I use Examine Selection, labeled once downloaded as just Selection. 

It’s a bit clunky but it’s the most true  to color one I’ve played with and it 
does foreground and background colors as well as patterns. 

I’m rather disappointed in the ability to develop really good color 
identification given the camera and photography elements of the iPhone.

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Seeing AI on iPhone 5S

[Jenine Stanley]

Does Seeing AI’s bar code feature work on an iPhone 5S? 

Thanks.

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Re: Apple Watch with voiceover, use cases and explanatory material

[Jenine Stanley]

There is a good article about Watch bands on the iMore.com <http://imore.com/> 
web site. That’s where I started looking at third party bands, which are, in my 
experience, not only less expensive but in the case of the Milanese Loop bands, 
more effective in fit and closure, plus having a lot more colors to choose from.
> On Sep 17, 2017, at 11:33 AM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I never did understand why anyone would pay that much, but then again, 
> to those who could, it meant something, I suppose. I’ll stick with the Series 
> 3 aluminum. with seashell band. I did find out that the Flash band is in my 
> opinion a cool mix of gray and neon green. May have to grab that one as well. 
> Yeah, I have a number of Watch bands. Don’t ask.On Sep 16, 2017, at 10:06 PM, 
> Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Look to TheBright side, at least you Didn't Pay $10,000 for it, Did you? If 
>> you recall, there was an 1st Generation Apple Watch for about $10,000
>> 
>> Damn Damn
>> What a waste of Moneyy, but I Beleive, the People, who purchased the Apple 
>> Watch at that Price could AAfford it, so Count Your Blessings
>> At 03:03 PM 9/16/2017, you wrote:
>>> I preordered my Series 3 Gen first thing in the morning and only hope that 
>>> soon my phone provider will support the watch soon on its network.
>>> 
>>> I hated the series 1 but wanted this because it was going to have cellular.
>>>> On 15 Sep 2017, at 08:38, Angie Nutt <an...@comproom.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I have the original watch, sport model. Hope to get the 3rd gen for 
>>>> Christmas.
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve been very happy with my watch; I wanted it mainly for the time and 
>>>> notifications. My podcast app gives me notifications so I can keep track 
>>>> of them. As I don’t carry my phone around the house it’s great for 
>>>> texts, Facebook messages etc. I occasionally dictate a reply to a friend 
>>>> and have found this to be very accurate.
>>>> 
>>>> Have recently used the heart monitor when my heart started beating very 
>>>> fast. I like the fact it can vibrate to tell the time as I find this very 
>>>> useful in a noisy location.
>>>> 
>>>> I really wouldn’t want to be without my watch.
>>>> 
>>>> All the best
>>>> Angie
>>>>> On 14 Sep 2017, at 16:11, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I thought I sent out a message on this topic yesterday, but I'm not 
>>>>> seeing it in my sent mail folder, so I don't know where it went. Anyway, 
>>>>> I am considering the new Apple Watch when it comes out next week I guess. 
>>>>> The LTE is intriguing. I know there are people on this list who have 
>>>>> watches, and I'm curious about your use cases. What made the watch 
>>>>> compelling? Up until now, I haven't seen much of any reason to have one. 
>>>>> Also, I am interested in documentation about how you use the watch with 
>>>>> voice over. I suppose there might be a podcast or two on Apple vis. But I 
>>>>> am more a fan of written documentation then I am of podcasts. So, does 
>>>>> anybody know of anything?
>>>>> Mary
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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Re: Apple Watch with voiceover, use cases and explanatory material

[Jenine Stanley]

Yeah, I never did understand why anyone would pay that much, but then again, to 
those who could, it meant something, I suppose. I’ll stick with the Series 3 
aluminum. with seashell band. I did find out that the Flash band is in my 
opinion a cool mix of gray and neon green. May have to grab that one as well. 
Yeah, I have a number of Watch bands. Don’t ask.On Sep 16, 2017, at 10:06 PM, 
Robin  wrote:
> 
> Look to TheBright side, at least you Didn't Pay $10,000 for it, Did you? If 
> you recall, there was an 1st Generation Apple Watch for about $10,000
> 
> Damn Damn
> What a waste of Moneyy, but I Beleive, the People, who purchased the Apple 
> Watch at that Price could AAfford it, so Count Your Blessings
> At 03:03 PM 9/16/2017, you wrote:
>> I preordered my Series 3 Gen first thing in the morning and only hope that 
>> soon my phone provider will support the watch soon on its network.
>> 
>> I hated the series 1 but wanted this because it was going to have cellular.
>> > On 15 Sep 2017, at 08:38, Angie Nutt  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I have the original watch, sport model. Hope to get the 3rd gen for 
>> > Christmas.
>> >
>> > I’ve been very happy with my watch; I wanted it mainly for the time and 
>> > notifications. My podcast app gives me notifications so I can keep track 
>> > of them. As I don’t carry my phone around the house it’s great for 
>> > texts, Facebook messages etc. I occasionally dictate a reply to a friend 
>> > and have found this to be very accurate.
>> >
>> > Have recently used the heart monitor when my heart started beating very 
>> > fast. I like the fact it can vibrate to tell the time as I find this very 
>> > useful in a noisy location.
>> >
>> > I really wouldn’t want to be without my watch.
>> >
>> > All the best
>> > Angie
>> >> On 14 Sep 2017, at 16:11, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I thought I sent out a message on this topic yesterday, but I'm not 
>> >> seeing it in my sent mail folder, so I don't know where it went. Anyway, 
>> >> I am considering the new Apple Watch when it comes out next week I guess. 
>> >> The LTE is intriguing. I know there are people on this list who have 
>> >> watches, and I'm curious about your use cases. What made the watch 
>> >> compelling? Up until now, I haven't seen much of any reason to have one. 
>> >> Also, I am interested in documentation about how you use the watch with 
>> >> voice over. I suppose there might be a podcast or two on Apple vis. But I 
>> >> am more a fan of written documentation then I am of podcasts. So, does 
>> >> anybody know of anything?
>> >> Mary
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Apple Watch with voiceover, use cases and explanatory material

[Jenine Stanley]

Mary, 

I can’t speak to the written documentation but here are my use cases. I have an 
Apple Watch original so will most likely be upgrading. 

currently I use the Watch to monitor the time on Uber trips, The app is slow to 
load but will give you times until your driver arrives and haptic feedback when 
driver does arrive. this is better in some situations than checking the phone. 

I also use Carrot Weather as a complication but it’s getting slower and slower 
to refresh on the original Watch. 

I like having haptic notifications for messages. this was important with an 
aging and ill family member last year and I used the Watch a lot for messaging 
and phone calls both. I still appreciate the haptics for messages.

Just Press Record has a handy complication for the Watch that I routinely use 
in doctors offices and other places to record appointment times. 

I also use the timer complication for cooking, though I now like the Amazon 
Echo multiple timers when at home cooking. The Watch is very useful though 
otherwise.
> On Sep 14, 2017, at 11:11 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I thought I sent out a message on this topic yesterday, but I'm not seeing it 
> in my sent mail folder, so I don't know where it went. Anyway, I am 
> considering the new Apple Watch when it comes out next week I guess. The LTE 
> is intriguing. I know there are people on this list who have watches, and I'm 
> curious about your use cases. What made the watch compelling? Up until now, I 
> haven't seen much of any reason to have one. Also, I am interested in 
> documentation about how you use the watch with voice over. I suppose there 
> might be a podcast or two on Apple vis. But I am more a fan of written 
> documentation then I am of podcasts. So, does anybody know of anything?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Voice Vision app?

[Jenine Stanley]

Looks like it’s not working on iOS11 yet. 
> On Aug 13, 2017, at 3:47 PM, Cara Quinn <caraqu...@caraquinn.com> wrote:
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> Hi Jenine,
> 
> Sorry about that! :)
> 
> Here are the details on VV.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> —
> Voice Vision
> 
> By Zhi Zheng
> 
> Description:
> 
> This is a utility to help visual impaired persons to get a quick view of the 
> surrounding environment by the camera.It helps you to detect 
> walls,doors,windows,light sources.You can use it to know object's colors .
> This application convert image from the back camera to sound . It scans from 
> left to right ,one to four times per second .A pixel from the image generate 
> a tone at pitch from 440HZ to 15000HZ,the brightness controls the loudness of 
> the tone. The pixels from the top generate high pitch sounds , and the pixels 
> from the bottom of the image generate low pitch sounds . There are about 30 
> pixels generate sounds at the same time ,like 30 peoples sing together with 
> different loudness.
> There is a realtime color picker , which tells you the color name of the 
> pixel of the center of the video frame .
> There is a image color analyzer ,which report the percentage of colors of a 
> image .
> 
> https://appsto.re/us/QSVKI.i
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> On Aug 13, 2017, at 9:27 AM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Cara, 
> 
> You mentioned an app called Voice Vision. Details? the app I found is written 
> in what I presume is Dutch and I can’t figure out how to get it to do what it 
> does, not so much because I don’t speak or read Dutch but more that I’m not 
> sure exactly what it does. 
> 
> I am familiar with the VOICE  from Peter Meijer, whose name I’m sure I’ve 
> spelled wrong, the system of interpreting things via sound. Is this that 
> system? 
> 
> Thanks for any info. 
> 
> Btw, I wish I had time these days to shoot and do some archery practice. That 
> and riding are my pleasure things and I don’t have time for either, haven’t 
> in years. I need to fix this. 
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Re: Voice Vision app?

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Thanks much. 
> On Aug 13, 2017, at 3:47 PM, Cara Quinn <caraqu...@caraquinn.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jenine,
> 
> Sorry about that! :)
> 
> Here are the details on VV.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> —
> Voice Vision
> 
> By Zhi Zheng
> 
> Description:
> 
> This is a utility to help visual impaired persons to get a quick view of the 
> surrounding environment by the camera.It helps you to detect 
> walls,doors,windows,light sources.You can use it to know object's colors .
> This application convert image from the back camera to sound . It scans from 
> left to right ,one to four times per second .A pixel from the image generate 
> a tone at pitch from 440HZ to 15000HZ,the brightness controls the loudness of 
> the tone. The pixels from the top generate high pitch sounds , and the pixels 
> from the bottom of the image generate low pitch sounds . There are about 30 
> pixels generate sounds at the same time ,like 30 peoples sing together with 
> different loudness.
> There is a realtime color picker , which tells you the color name of the 
> pixel of the center of the video frame .
> There is a image color analyzer ,which report the percentage of colors of a 
> image .
> 
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> On Aug 13, 2017, at 9:27 AM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Cara, 
> 
> You mentioned an app called Voice Vision. Details? the app I found is written 
> in what I presume is Dutch and I can’t figure out how to get it to do what it 
> does, not so much because I don’t speak or read Dutch but more that I’m not 
> sure exactly what it does. 
> 
> I am familiar with the VOICE  from Peter Meijer, whose name I’m sure I’ve 
> spelled wrong, the system of interpreting things via sound. Is this that 
> system? 
> 
> Thanks for any info. 
> 
> Btw, I wish I had time these days to shoot and do some archery practice. That 
> and riding are my pleasure things and I don’t have time for either, haven’t 
> in years. I need to fix this. 
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Voice Vision app?

[Jenine Stanley]

Cara, 

You mentioned an app called Voice Vision. Details? the app I found is written 
in what I presume is Dutch and I can’t figure out how to get it to do what it 
does, not so much because I don’t speak or read Dutch but more that I’m not 
sure exactly what it does. 

I am familiar with the VOICE  from Peter Meijer, whose name I’m sure I’ve 
spelled wrong, the system of interpreting things via sound. Is this that 
system? 

Thanks for any info. 

Btw, I wish I had time these days to shoot and do some archery practice. That 
and riding are my pleasure things and I don’t have time for either, haven’t in 
years. I need to fix this. 

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Re: Accessible iOS App - Where To Shoot by NSSF

[Jenine Stanley]

Damn gang, don’t mess with this list. We have some fire power here, backed by 
knowledge and experience. 
> On Aug 13, 2017, at 4:56 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Kara, I collect a lot of heavy military  equipment like that.  The Grenade 
> launcher I bought when I lived in Florida.  In Florida you’re still free in 
> the United States unlike the whacky left win north east (with the exception 
> of New Hampshire, the live free or die state).  In Florida I had to check a 
> box that said I was buying the launcher for sporting use and because it’s 
> also automatic I had to make sure it was older than April 1986.  I also have 
> an M16-A3, an H MP5 and a lot of long guns that are more conventional.  I 
> want to buy a Vietnam era M60 so I can mount the grenade launcher to it and 
> have the whole package.  Big money though to find a vietnam era M60 still in 
> working condition in the original crates.
> http://www.autoweapons.com <http://www.autoweapons.com/> is a good resource 
> and also has a good explanation of the paperwork required.  Basically an ATF 
> review every year and a background check up front and a $250 filing fee for 
> each weapon.  I had an advantage because I have done classified work for 
> Uncle Sam in the past and had to be cleared so the background process was 
> mainly completed and I just had to show my storage facility to an agent for 
> inspection.
> 
> On the Archery side I do have a couple crossbows and a compound bow with the 
> arrows that you can mount raiser blades in the heads.  For hand weapons I 
> have several machetes and I have a few of the KGB Russian tactical knives 
> that had the CO2 fired blades .
> 
> I collect a lot of weird stuff though.  Between my Cousin and I we have 
> everything from original Russian AK47 fully automatic rifles to the actually 
> used props from Star Trek and The Next generation including phasers, Scotty’s 
> dilithium crystals and Spock’s ears actually used on set. I have the Captains 
> chair from the original series, Chinese throwing stars, Japanese swords, 
> comic books and on and on not just heavy artillery.
> 
> And come by any time you want, that goes for anyone on list just call 
> first.:). (Especially before you get to my gate)
> 
>  
> 
> 
>   
> 
>> On Aug 12, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Cara Quinn <caraqu...@caraquinn.com 
>> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Scott,
>> 
>> Jeez! I was going to say I could come and visit you to tweak you a little 
>> bit in person when I am in the area, but dang, there’d be nothing left of me 
>> to bury! lol!
>> 
>> How did you happen to come by a vintage grenade launcher anyway if I might 
>> ask?
>> 
>> There’s a little gun shop near me which has all sorts of vintage full auto 
>> firearms but I’m betting they don’t see too many weapons like that.
>> 
>> I am friends with a luthier who creates crazy contraptions on the side. He 
>> has a giant home-made multi-colored day-glow cannon that he shoots bowling 
>> balls out of up in the mountains. They go about five miles! lol!
>> 
>> I’ll just settle for my little 9mils. :)
>> 
>> I am lousy with an AR 15 but awesome with 9s.
>> 
>> There is supposedly a blind shooter up in your area whom I believe has 
>> developed an audio-based scope. Apparently he’s quite good with it.
>> 
>> Just out of curiosity, what kind of ear protection do you use with your m79? 
>> -Or do you use any?
>> 
>> Anyway, thanks for the interesting post and glad you like the app.
>> 
>> I was glad to find it.
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
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>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 8:32 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> This is very cool.  The hardware I have is a little bit on the excessive 
>> side for most gun clubs but luckily in the live free or die state, here in 
>> the woods my neighbors are enthusiasts and don’t mind when I bring out the 
>> M79 for a little fresh air.  We buy old cars from junk yards for under $100 
>> and blow the hell out of them with the M79 or my neighbor has a Bofers 
>> automatic cannon.
>> 
>> I used to have a source for small beepers that were flat disks you could 
>> stick to a clay pigeon and have a

Re: Accessible iOS App - Where To Shoot by NSSF

[Jenine Stanley]

Thanks much for this. Yes, I’m a shooter, prefer archery but ...
> On Aug 10, 2017, at 6:56 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
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> Hi All,
> 
> For those who shoot, this app shows you ranges etc near you. It also contains 
> news and info about the NSSF National Shooting Sports Foundation. I believe 
> the app also shows archery ranges as well, for those who prefer something a 
> bit quieter and a lot less automatic! lol!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> —
> Where To Shoot by NSSF
> 
> https://appsto.re/us/7ArLM.i
> 
> Description:
> 
> Search for shooting ranges near you, view video shooting tips and find other 
> resources for shooters. Managed by the National Shooting Sports Foundation 
> (NSSF), Where To Shoot is the web's most comprehensive directory of shooting 
> ranges in the U.S. and Canada. This app brings that directory into the palm 
> of your hand. A great resource for all gun owners, hunters and shooters.
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Re: scheduling an Uber ride?

[Jenine Stanley]

Yep, this is fairly easy to set up. Keep in mind that it’s a 15 minute span 
rather than an exact time. I believe you also get a notification just before 
the 15 minutes starts and then another when you have a driver. 

I’ve only done this once with Uber and haven’t tried it on Lyft yet though we 
do have it here, and it worked well.
> On Aug 1, 2017, at 8:31 PM, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:
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> Sarai,
>  
> I just used this last week and it worked like a charm. Near the bottom of the 
> screen, somewhere above the Home button, is a button that says “schedule a 
> ride in advance.” If you don’t locate it then swipe either right or left 
> until you hear it say just that and then double tap the button.
>  
> On the following screen, you can change the date of the ride if it isn’t the 
> current date. Then go down a bit and there are picker buttons to select 
> hour/minutes and either AM/PM. Once you have the date of your ride then move 
> your finger near the bottom of the screen, probably just above the Home 
> button again and double tap to “set the date.”
>  
> On the following screen you will set your pick up location and destination.
>  
> Once you get the address set the next screen for type of Uber ride you want 
> will come up automatically. If your good with the uber-x economy then again, 
> just above the home button is a “schedule ride” button. Double tap it and 
> your ride will be set.
>  
> If at any time you need to cancel the ride you can double check it under the 
> “upcoming rides” area.
>  
> Once your wait time starts I don’t think it will notify you until your ride 
> is at the location.
>  
> I do wish they would make communicating with the driver easier or at least 
> more apparent on the screens.
>  
> Good luck.
>  
> Eileen
> From: Sarai Bucciarelli <>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 5:01 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <>
> Subject: scheduling an Uber ride?
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> Hi guys:
> I was told we can now schedule an Uber ride, but I cannot figure out how to
> do with Voiceover. Help!
> 
> 
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Re: IOS Beta 11 mail app

[Jenine Stanley]

My Reply button is not labeled either but all other buttons are in the mail 
app, public beta 3. 

Actually, my proximity sensor seems to be working better under this beta than 
it has for a long time.
> On Jul 27, 2017, at 7:17 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> Report anything to apple.
> By the way i can not access airplay from the control center on my ios 11 test 
> devices.
> I will have to report this i think.
> /
> 
>> 27 juli 2017 kl. 08:30 skrev Simon Fogarty > >:
>> 
>> Hi Listers,
>>  
>> In the mail app within IOS 11 beta 3 I believe it was that I installed 
>> yesterday,
>>  
>> I’m finding that the reply and delete buttons only say button not reply or 
>> delete
>> yet the compose and move buttons which are on either side of the reply & 
>> delete buttons at the bottom of the screen do have the words or vo alt tags 
>> being read out,
>>  
>> also I’m noticing that when on a phone call and go to take the phone away 
>> from my ear the procsimity sensor isn’t kicking in to life and letting the 
>> phone go to handsfree,
>>  
>> the last phone call I was on also didn’t give me a speaker or headphones 
>> option to switch to.
>>  
>> Crazy. Pretty sure these were there in the previous beta version.
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Re: Removal of 3D Touch app switching gesture in iOS 11 confirmed as intentional change

[Jenine Stanley]

In Public Beta 2 the app switcher has been reversed to its original positioning 
with most recently opened app on the far right. Also the 4-finger swipe to 
change apps has been restored. Yay!
> On Jul 23, 2017, at 11:33 PM, Singing Sparrow  wrote:
> 
> in the public beta 2 i believe this button is also still there.
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/1/2017 12:52 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Button is still there in IOS 11 public beta 1.
>> 
>> Touch to return to call is also similarly placed.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 9:29 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The impression I got from the article was that this button goes away in 
>>> ios11. 11. Maybe I misunderstood what I read. I hope I did, because I use 
>>> that a lot. And I'm aware of the app switcher. I'm also aware that the home 
>>> button is apparently going away completely in terms of a physical feelable 
>>> button on the next phone. So it will be interesting how Apple makes that 
>>> easily findable with VO.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
 
 Mary,
 When you go into a link from an e-mail, there is a return to mail button 
 in the top left corner.  As far as returning to a previous app is 
 concerned, we have an app switcher for that.
 
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Re: cursor position in Pages

[Jenine Stanley]

Thanks much. I have been considering purchasing your book and now I’m really 
considering doing so. 
> On Jul 22, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hello Jenine,
> 
> You can get the position of the insertion point by doing VO-F4-F4, or of the 
> mouse pointer from top left of screen by doing VO-F5-F5 or from top left of 
> window with VO-F5-F5-F5.
> You can use tab stops which allow you to align left, right, centre or decimal.
> All this information is in our book.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 22 Jul 2017, at 19:14, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I’m trying to align things in a simple Pages document and cannot recall if 
>> there’s a way to determine the position of the cursor for alignment. I want 
>> to have things aligned under each other using tabs, old school I know, but 
>> just need to know cursor position. 
>> 
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cursor position in Pages

[Jenine Stanley]

I’m trying to align things in a simple Pages document and cannot recall if 
there’s a way to determine the position of the cursor for alignment. I want to 
have things aligned under each other using tabs, old school I know, but just 
need to know cursor position. 

Thanks!

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Re: How about that Watch OS 3.2.3 update?

[Jenine Stanley]

I’m not seeing as big a difference, though admittedly I do see a tad more 
responsiveness but I’m running an Original which is getting progressively 
slower and slower. 
> On Jul 20, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> this is great to hear, Scott, as I haven't yet updated.  Will get on that 
> today.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jul 20, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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>>  Wondering if anyone else found the Watch OS update as good as I did.  
>> The watch seems far more responsive, screen sensitivity seems more 
>> predictable and there’s an over all snap in the platform now when voice over 
>> is active.  Big improvement.  I’m specifically using a series 2 Steel 42MM 
>> watch in this example.
>> 
>> Thanks
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Re: ios 11 beta

[Jenine Stanley]

Regardless of beta software on the Watch, I’ve had times when the Ping feature 
didn’t work. Simply turning off and back on at the phone end, once I found said 
phone that is, restored it. 

As for how to get the Watch beta for watchOS4, that I haven’t done yet, still 
running the betas for watch OS3, 3.2.3 Beta 4 to be exact.

Not sure how productive it will be to run watchOS4 on this original model as 
it’s slowing significantly at app opening. I’ll be curious to see if they 
introduce a new Watch this fall.
> On Jul 3, 2017, at 2:27 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Janine,
>  
> Thanks for that,
> Yeah I reset my watch lastnight and as I’m not a dev I assume the watch os is 
> the production os and yes after the reset I can now again ping my phone from 
> my watch,
>  
> And to add to this for those watch owners with apple earPods
>  
> Merry xmas  I had my watch talking to me automatically through my earPods 
> when I took them out of the case and put them in my ears they picked up my 
> watch before they picked up the phone
>  
> The watchs VO volume was pretty quiet so I’ll have to play around with it 
> tonight.
>  
> But now the pods connect with out issue to the watch.
>  
> .
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jenine Stanley
> Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 2:13 AM
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> Subject: Re: ios 11 beta
>  
> Simon, Just tried this using iOS11 beta on my 6S and my original Apple Watch 
> running watchOS 3.2.3 Dev beta 4 and it works. Before I updated the Watch 
> though and was using a public version of watchOS, it also worked. I do so 
> wish they’d make it a complication, yes I use it that much.
> On Jul 2, 2017, at 4:12 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> Can someone with an apple watch and is using the IOS 11 beta check for me 
> that the
> ping your phone 
> feature of the watch 
> isnt’ working currently?
>  
>  
> Just wanting to confirm that’ it’s not just me and is an issue with the  beta
> Note that the watch is running the latest production OS release not a beta.
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Re: ios 11 beta

[Jenine Stanley]

That’s Chick to you, Sir. *grin*
> On Jul 2, 2017, at 10:29 AM, David & his pack of dogs 
> <myguidedo...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Girls and their toys.  LOL.  
>  
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jenine Stanley
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>  
> Simon, Just tried this using iOS11 beta on my 6S and my original Apple Watch 
> running watchOS 3.2.3 Dev beta 4 and it works. Before I updated the Watch 
> though and was using a public version of watchOS, it also worked. I do so 
> wish they’d make it a complication, yes I use it that much.
>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 4:12 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Can someone with an apple watch and is using the IOS 11 beta check for me 
>> that the
>> ping your phone 
>> feature of the watch 
>> isnt’ working currently?
>>  
>>  
>> Just wanting to confirm that’ it’s not just me and is an issue with the  beta
>> Note that the watch is running the latest production OS release not a beta.
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Re: ios 11 beta

[Jenine Stanley]

Simon, Just tried this using iOS11 beta on my 6S and my original Apple Watch 
running watchOS 3.2.3 Dev beta 4 and it works. Before I updated the Watch 
though and was using a public version of watchOS, it also worked. I do so wish 
they’d make it a complication, yes I use it that much.
> On Jul 2, 2017, at 4:12 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Can someone with an apple watch and is using the IOS 11 beta check for me 
> that the
> ping your phone 
> feature of the watch 
> isnt’ working currently?
>  
>  
> Just wanting to confirm that’ it’s not just me and is an issue with the  beta
> Note that the watch is running the latest production OS release not a beta.
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Re: Removal of 3D Touch app switching gesture in iOS 11 confirmed as intentional change

[Jenine Stanley]

H, the 3D touch gesture where you press on the left edge of the screen to 
bring up app switcher still works. what doesn’t work is the 4-finger swipe to 
move between apps. This makes me extremely sad as I love that gesture and used 
it all the time. 

I’d be curious to know the reasoning behind removing such things as 
multi-tasking when those are the very things people really want and, I assume, 
the competition has had for a while now.
> On Jun 30, 2017, at 7:58 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Well, this is from a public source. So hopefully it's OK to post here. 
> Bummer. This and the loss of the ability to return to the previous app you 
> were in from another app or unfortunate. I use that last feature a lot to go 
> back to mail when I've gone to a website. I wonder why they're doing this.
> Mary
> 
> Removal of 3D Touch app switching gesture in iOS 11 confirmed as intentional 
> change
> 9to5Mac  /  Benjamin Mayo
> 
>  
> 
> Whilst iOS 11 includes a lot of new stuff to enjoy, there are also a few 
> features that have been left behind. One such example is a lesser-known 3D 
> Touch gesture that enabled faster access to the iPhone app switcher and a 
> quick shortcut to move back to the previous app. Both of these elements are 
> no longer present in iOS 11 and a bug report appears to confirm that this was 
> an intentional removal rather than an outstanding bug.
> 
> 
> Bryan Irace filed a Radar about the removal of the 3D Touch convenience 
> gesture and posted the Apple engineer’s reply on Twitter 
> .
> 
> Short but sweet, it unfortunately states that the feature has been removed on 
> purpose and will not be returning: ‘Please know that this feature was 
> intentionally removed.’
> 
> In case you aren’t aware exactly what feature we are referencing, try it out 
> for yourself: on an iOS 10 device with 3D Touch, iPhone 6s or iPhone 7, press 
> deeply at the left edge of the screen to open the app switcher.
> 
> Instead of lifting immediately, drag across to seamlessly switch from the 
> current app to the previous one. This was much faster than double-tapping the 
> Home Button and dragging between open app ‘cards’, but will simply stop 
> working when users upgrade to iOS 11.
> 
> Apple engineering has confirmed that 3D Touch multitasking was intentionally 
> removed in iOS 11. I am livid. pic.twitter.com/kiCcLq9XMB 
> 
> — Bryan Irace (@irace) June 30, 2017 
> 
> 
> You can see Craig Federighi demo the gesture at the original iPhone 6s event 
> below, which heralded 3D Touch as a marquee feature. It’s fair to say that 
> the functionality was not a critical part of the iOS experience; it was meant 
> as a power user shortcut to a very common action.
> 
> It’s unclear why Apple would remove something that was so useful — perhaps it 
> interferes with the gestures of the upcoming bezel-less iPhone 8 somehow, 
> although it’s hard to envision how it might clash.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Original Article: 
> https://9to5mac.com/2017/06/30/ios-11-3d-touch-app-switching-gesture-removed/ 
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Jenine Stanley]

OK, I see what you all are talking about now. Yes, you can find your purchased 
apps but if they aren’t on your phone, there’s no download button and double 
tapping them doesn’t get them back.
> On Jun 29, 2017, at 2:42 PM, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, it's definitely broken here too.
>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 14:47, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Ah I see this, no more purchased button.
>> 
>> Good point Nimer and glad to see you on here.
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:45 AM, Nimer Jaber <nimerjab...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Updating works fine... the issue is if you are downloading apps that you 
>>> previously had installed, either on another device or even on the same 
>>> device after a reset or an uninstall.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 8:16 AM Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> I haven’t tried downloading apps but updating seems to work.
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Nimer Jaber <nimerjab...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> This is broken… just saw this thread.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 16:21, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like
>>>>> downloading apps is broken.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so might 
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> a good reason to try it.
>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but not
>>>>>>> installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when going to
>>>>>>> install them?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps that
>>>>>>> you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the 
>>>>>>>> 1-finger
>>>>>>>> flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of “Arrange 
>>>>>>>> Apps”
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> will say “Edit Mode”.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and Drop
>>>>>>>> where it used to say Move App.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second.
>>>>>>>> Treat
>>>>>>>> this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder you 
>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> location, flick down and you will see an action to drop the item into
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> folder.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder I
>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>> you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger flick. give it
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app moving.
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>> How do one drag and drop?
>>>>>>>>> And where did you find about that feature?
>>>>>>>>> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will do.
>>>>>>>>> /A
>>>>>>>>>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley
>>>>>>>>>> <dragonwalke...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but operate
>>>>>>>&

Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Jenine Stanley]

Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so might be a 
good reason to try it.
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but not
> installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when going to
> install them?
> 
> Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps that
> you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
> 
> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the 1-finger
>> flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of “Arrange Apps” it
>> will say “Edit Mode”.
>> 
>> If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and Drop
>> where it used to say Move App.
>> 
>> Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second. Treat
>> this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder you want or
>> location, flick down and you will see an action to drop the item into that
>> folder.
>> 
>> Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder I believe
>> you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger flick. give it some
>> time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app moving.
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> How do one drag and drop?
>>> And where did you find about that feature?
>>> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will do.
>>> /A
>>>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but operate
>>>> differently.
>>>> 
>>>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me to a
>>>> sign in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back to the
>>>> home screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the time. Yes,
>>>> reporting this.
>>>> 
>>>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving them
>>>> from most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The Home
>>>> designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand off to
>>>> work, say to switch back after an accidental hand off occurs.
>>>> 
>>>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish
>>>> depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
>>>> 
>>>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to go
>>>> into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader
>>>> though so just a different way of doing things.
>>>> 
>>>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I didn’t
>>>> realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop but
>>>> once I figured it out, I do like it.
>>>> 
>>>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no issues
>>>> updating or searching for apps.
>>>> 
>>>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the iOS
>>>> beta, things seem to be working OK though.
>>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert <scottslistm...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on
>>>>> my 6S behaving any differently.
>>>>> 1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an
>>>>> actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
>>>>> 2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around
>>>>> erradically.
>>>>> 3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the hour.
>>>>> E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather
>>>>> condition and tempature is not read by VO.
>>>>> 4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text
>>>>> shortcuts appear not to be functioning. It works fine using the
>>>>> onscreen keyboard.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Scott
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/28/17, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .

Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Jenine Stanley]

I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the 1-finger flick 
down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of “Arrange Apps” it will say 
“Edit Mode”. 

If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and Drop where 
it used to say Move App. 

Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second. Treat this 
just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder you want or 
location, flick down and you will see an action to drop the item into that 
folder. 

Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder I believe you 
have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger flick. give it some time as 
it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app moving.
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> How do one drag and drop?
> And where did you find about that feature?
> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will do.
> /A
>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com>:
>> 
>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but operate 
>> differently. 
>> 
>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me to a sign 
>> in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back to the home 
>> screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the time. Yes, 
>> reporting this. 
>> 
>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving them from 
>> most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The Home designation is 
>> gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand off to work, say to 
>> switch back after an accidental hand off occurs. 
>> 
>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish 
>> depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
>> 
>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to go into 
>> the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader though so 
>> just a different way of doing things. 
>> 
>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I didn’t 
>> realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop but once 
>> I figured it out, I do like it. 
>> 
>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no issues 
>> updating or searching for apps. 
>> 
>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the iOS 
>> beta, things seem to be working OK though.
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert <scottslistm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on
>>> my 6S behaving any differently.
>>> 1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an
>>> actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
>>> 2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around 
>>> erradically.
>>> 3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the hour.
>>> E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather
>>> condition and tempature is not read by VO.
>>> 4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text
>>> shortcuts appear not to be functioning. It works fine using the
>>> onscreen keyboard.
>>> 
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> On 6/28/17, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>  Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/28/2017 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>>> Yeah sure but one of the main gestures not working correctly wasn't
>>>>> something I expected.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 2:07 AM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
>>>>> 
>>>>> Simon,
>>>>>  That IS the whole idea behind betas. Your mission is to seek out and
>>>>> destroy all bugs. Its not to get a sneak peek at the future.
>>>>> 
>>>>

Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Jenine Stanley]

I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but operate 
differently. 

1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me to a sign in 
screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back to the home screen. 
This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the time. Yes, reporting this. 

2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving them from most 
recent on the right to most recent on the left. The Home designation is gone 
and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand off to work, say to switch back 
after an accidental hand off occurs. 

3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish depending 
on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.

4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to go into the 
files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader though so just a 
different way of doing things. 

5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I didn’t realize 
you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop but once I figured 
it out, I do like it. 

6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no issues updating 
or searching for apps. 

Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the iOS beta, 
things seem to be working OK though.
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
> here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on
> my 6S behaving any differently.
> 1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an
> actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
> 2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around erradically.
> 3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the hour.
> E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather
> condition and tempature is not read by VO.
> 4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text
> shortcuts appear not to be functioning. It works fine using the
> onscreen keyboard.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 6/28/17, E.T.  wrote:
>>Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/28/2017 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> Yeah sure but one of the main gestures not working correctly wasn't
>>> something I expected.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 2:07 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
>>> 
>>> Simon,
>>>That IS the whole idea behind betas. Your mission is to seek out and
>>> destroy all bugs. Its not to get a sneak peek at the future.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/27/2017 3:57 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
 Hi List,
 
 
 
 Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my
 suggestion would be DON”T!
 
 
 
 I have and although a number of things are looking good
 
 I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as
 lively as normal,
 
 A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase
 without closing the app and then reopening it.
 
 Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not
 noticed it before but a feature to download all purchased ring and
 alert tones infact it’s all tones whether you have purchased or made them
 yourself.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.
 
 
 
 But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.
 
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Re: Keychain issues

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Thanks Robert, 

I’ll also look under Safari preferences for this password.
> On Jun 20, 2017, at 8:10 PM, Robert Carter <nc5rn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> By default, the keychain password is the same password that you use to unlock 
> your Mac.
> 
> Robert Carter
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 6:46 PM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Can someone explain to me how to retrieve a password stored in Keychain? I 
>> don’t recall ever setting a master Keychain password, which it asks for on 
>> my Mac when trying to retrieve one. This is a web site log in that I had 
>> automatically chosen by Safari rather than trying to remember one. Now I 
>> need said password for another device, my iPhone on a 3rd party app where it 
>> can’t just be filled in apparently. 
>> 
>> Help!
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Keychain issues

[Jenine Stanley]

Can someone explain to me how to retrieve a password stored in Keychain? I 
don’t recall ever setting a master Keychain password, which it asks for on my 
Mac when trying to retrieve one. This is a web site log in that I had 
automatically chosen by Safari rather than trying to remember one. Now I need 
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Re: Nearby Explorer vs. Blind Square?

[Jenine Stanley]

obtained from the US system on a perfect day.
>>>>> Note: inclimate weather will always significantly reduce GPS as long as
>>>>> current technologies are being used. This has to do with how radio waves
>>>>> and atmospheric conditions interact, amongst other factors.
>>>>> 
>>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2/03/2017, at 16:37, Jonathan C. Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have been putting off purchasing either of these apps. I was ready to
>>>>>> purchase BlindSquared when Nearby Explorer was first demonstrated, and
>>>>>> i have been debating if the bus time announcements were worth the cost
>>>>>> of Nearby Explorer.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The major GPS issues i have with the low cost solutions I currently use
>>>>>> is for the last few yards and i am not sure either of these Apps will
>>>>>> help. Examples are is my bus stop here or at the next pole? Or when
>>>>>> there are six bus stops clustered near a train stop. Or thirdly where
>>>>>> is the front of the building i just walked ten blocks to.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mar 1, 2017, at 4:15 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> For bus / train public transit, I very strongly encourage trying an
>>>>>>> app called moovit.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Moovit is the only public transit app I have used which automatically,
>>>>>>> and consistently, announces the stop where I need to get off the bus
>>>>>>> just before the stop. It gives a couple announcements, one from a
>>>>>>> couple hundred metres before (at the previous bus stop (so one can
>>>>>>> trigger the stop request signal), and one when it is time to get off
>>>>>>> the bus. These announcements occur when the live route tracking is
>>>>>>> active. The walking between bus stops, to the first bus stop, and to
>>>>>>> the final destination, is not very good for the blind pedestrian, but
>>>>>>> the actual bus and train travel announcements are better than any
>>>>>>> other app I have used.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Between bus stops, and to my destination, I usually use Apple Maps. My
>>>>>>> fiancé, on the other hand, prefers Google Maps. She is sighted, and
>>>>>>> finds its visual layout to be much more appealing.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>>>>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>>>>>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 2/03/2017, at 03:40, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Donna,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The answer to your question really depends on how you plan to use
>>>>>>>> GPS. When you travel, do you walk or mostly ride in vehicles?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If you walk, are you interested in planning routes to places or just
>>>>>>>> hearing the street names as you go?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> When you ride, are you usually the navigator for a driver or are you
>>>>>>>> taking public transit?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> both apps handle all of these tasks well but if you really want to
>>>>>>>> plan routes or look around easily virtually, I’d suggest spending the
>>>>>>>> money on Nearby Explorer. It does take up over 4gb on the phone but
>>>>>>>> maps are available when you don’t have coverage which is nice. If you
>>>>>>>> ever worked with the Trekker in its original form, this app is as
>>>>>>

Re: Nearby Explorer vs. Blind Square?

[Jenine Stanley]

That’s $39 per year subscription. Still a decent sale price but just know that 
it’s a subscription.
> On Mar 1, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Seeingeye gps is on sell until Monday. $39.
> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
> 
>> On Mar 1, 2017, at 8:40 AM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Donna, 
>> 
>> The answer to your question really depends on how you plan to use GPS. When 
>> you travel, do you walk or mostly ride in vehicles? 
>> 
>> If you walk, are you interested in planning routes to places or just hearing 
>> the street names as you go? 
>> 
>> When you ride, are you usually the navigator for a driver or are you taking 
>> public transit? 
>> 
>> both apps handle all of these tasks well but if you really want to plan 
>> routes or look around easily virtually, I’d suggest spending the money on 
>> Nearby Explorer. It does take up over 4gb on the phone but maps are 
>> available when you don’t have coverage which is nice. If you ever worked 
>> with the Trekker in its original form, this app is as close to its supreme 
>> functionality and easy learning curve as anything I’ve seen. 
>> 
>> That said, if money is an issue and you just want to hear intersecting 
>> streets and POIs, BlindSquare is great. It does much more but is a bit more 
>> technical or involved in how it gets you there. It does not do route 
>> planning in advance unless going through another app like Maps, Google Maps 
>> or Seeing eye GPS. 
>> 
>> As always, just my opinions here. Your mileage will no doubt vary.
>>> On Mar 1, 2017, at 8:12 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Now that we're moving back to a real city--at least relatively 
>>> speaking--I'm thinking about using my phone a little more for GPS and 
>>> related tasks.  I'm thinking about nearby explorer, but it comes with a 
>>> pretty hefty price tag.  Does it offer any significant advantages over 
>>> Blind Square?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Nearby Explorer vs. Blind Square?

[Jenine Stanley]

Donna, 

The answer to your question really depends on how you plan to use GPS. When you 
travel, do you walk or mostly ride in vehicles? 

If you walk, are you interested in planning routes to places or just hearing 
the street names as you go? 

When you ride, are you usually the navigator for a driver or are you taking 
public transit? 

both apps handle all of these tasks well but if you really want to plan routes 
or look around easily virtually, I’d suggest spending the money on Nearby 
Explorer. It does take up over 4gb on the phone but maps are available when you 
don’t have coverage which is nice. If you ever worked with the Trekker in its 
original form, this app is as close to its supreme functionality and easy 
learning curve as anything I’ve seen. 

That said, if money is an issue and you just want to hear intersecting streets 
and POIs, BlindSquare is great. It does much more but is a bit more technical 
or involved in how it gets you there. It does not do route planning in advance 
unless going through another app like Maps, Google Maps or Seeing eye GPS. 

As always, just my opinions here. Your mileage will no doubt vary.
> On Mar 1, 2017, at 8:12 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Now that we're moving back to a real city--at least relatively speaking--I'm 
> thinking about using my phone a little more for GPS and related tasks.  I'm 
> thinking about nearby explorer, but it comes with a pretty hefty price tag.  
> Does it offer any significant advantages over Blind Square?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: VoiceOver losing speech in Finder on macOS Sierra (was: VoiceOver losing speech on Macbook)

[Jenine Stanley]

I’ve turned VO off then invoked it again using Siri.
> On Feb 7, 2017, at 3:14 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
> wrote:
> 
> I’ve had the same problem with VoiceOver speech going silent when using the 
> Finder in macOS Sierra, only using later model Macs and different voices. 
> I’ve experienced this on all three of my Macs: 2011 MacBook Air, 2011 iMac, 
> and 2012 iMac. I use Nuance Karen as my VoiceOver voice. VoiceOver speech 
> goes silent when I’m using just the arrow keys to navigate the Finder in 
> column view mode. I can get speech back again by interacting with the Finder 
> browser and navigating up and down a few times using the arrow keys and the 
> VO keys. Speech will then work normally again for a little while before I 
> encounter the same problem again.
> 
>> On 19 Dec 2016, at 6:59 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> 2012 13 inch pro.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BBS
>> Sent: Monday, 19 December 2016 2:27 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: VoiceOver losing speech on Macbook
>> 
>> Also, forgot to mention this, but I think that ad was misleading. The last 
>> MacBooks to have DVD drives in them were I think either the 2012 or 2013 
>> models. Someone can clear that up for me if I'm wrong but 2010 models were 
>> certainly not the last ones in them to have DVD drives in them.
>> 
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10 Twitter Handle: 
>> shawnk_aka_bbs Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Skype Username: 
>> bbstheblindrapper Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BBS
>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 7:18 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: VoiceOver losing speech on Macbook
>> 
>> Yep that would explain why Alex is crashing your computer. It's an issue 
>> with 2010 Macs that needs to be addressed but probably won't be. I would use 
>> a different voice.
>> 
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10 Twitter Handle: 
>> shawnk_aka_bbs Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Skype Username: 
>> bbstheblindrapper Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris G
>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 7:40 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: VoiceOver losing speech on Macbook
>> 
>> Hi Shawn,
>> Thanks for that.  You are correct, it is a mid 2010 laptop.
>> It runs circles around my mac mini mid 2009 model, so I'm extremely happy 
>> with it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chris Grabowski
>> Mystic Access
>> Where the magic is in learning.
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>> 
>> 
>>  Original Message 
>> From: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Sent: Saturday, Dec 17, 2016 10:40 PM EST
>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>> Subject: VoiceOver losing speech on Macbook
>> 
>> Hey Chris, if you went to the Apple Menu and About This Mac, you could find 
>> out what year it's from. I kinda find that odd that a 2012 machine would 
>> have the Alex issue because it's only 4 years old but who knows. I know that 
>> 2010 models have this which is why I'm avoiding Alex like the plague until 
>> Apple fixes him. And I assume that you're running Sierra.2 so my question 
>> about Alex crashing older Macs like mine has been answered, and sadly it 
>> still is.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Chris G  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I have a Macbook pro 13 inch with 16gb ram and a TB SSHD.  This is the 
>> one that has the DVD drive on the right side.
>> 
>> I have the latest mac os installed on it.
>> 
>> From time to time using Alex the speech will just die.  I can still 
>> move around the screen and hear the VO sound effects.  If I toggle VO 
>> with command F5 it doesn't come back.  I must press and hold power to 
>> get the computer up and running again.
>> 
>> Does anyone have any suggestions, maybe if I were to use another voice 
>> other than Alex?
>> 
>> ChrisI could be in the middle of navigating around and poof, no speech. 
>> It is random.
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> 

Re: VoiceOver losing speech in Finder on macOS Sierra (was: VoiceOver losing speech on Macbook)

[Jenine Stanley]

Having the same issue with a late 2013 iMac as well. Thought I was losing my 
mind for a bit. that’s still possible so glad to know others are having this 
issue.

The voices in my head have put me on hold for the next representative.
> On Feb 7, 2017, at 3:24 PM, Robert Cole  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I’m having  the same problem using a late 2015 iMac. Have this been reported 
> to Apple?
> 
>> On Feb 7, 2017, at 3:14 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve had the same problem with VoiceOver speech going silent when using the 
>> Finder in macOS Sierra, only using later model Macs and different voices. 
>> I’ve experienced this on all three of my Macs: 2011 MacBook Air, 2011 iMac, 
>> and 2012 iMac. I use Nuance Karen as my VoiceOver voice. VoiceOver speech 
>> goes silent when I’m using just the arrow keys to navigate the Finder in 
>> column view mode. I can get speech back again by interacting with the Finder 
>> browser and navigating up and down a few times using the arrow keys and the 
>> VO keys. Speech will then work normally again for a little while before I 
>> encounter the same problem again.
>> 
>>> On 19 Dec 2016, at 6:59 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 2012 13 inch pro.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BBS
>>> Sent: Monday, 19 December 2016 2:27 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: VoiceOver losing speech on Macbook
>>> 
>>> Also, forgot to mention this, but I think that ad was misleading. The last 
>>> MacBooks to have DVD drives in them were I think either the 2012 or 2013 
>>> models. Someone can clear that up for me if I'm wrong but 2010 models were 
>>> certainly not the last ones in them to have DVD drives in them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10 Twitter Handle: 
>>> shawnk_aka_bbs Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Skype Username: 
>>> bbstheblindrapper Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BBS
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 7:18 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: VoiceOver losing speech on Macbook
>>> 
>>> Yep that would explain why Alex is crashing your computer. It's an issue 
>>> with 2010 Macs that needs to be addressed but probably won't be. I would 
>>> use a different voice.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10 Twitter Handle: 
>>> shawnk_aka_bbs Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Skype Username: 
>>> bbstheblindrapper Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris G
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 7:40 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: VoiceOver losing speech on Macbook
>>> 
>>> Hi Shawn,
>>> Thanks for that.  You are correct, it is a mid 2010 laptop.
>>> It runs circles around my mac mini mid 2009 model, so I'm extremely happy 
>>> with it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chris Grabowski
>>> Mystic Access
>>> Where the magic is in learning.
>>> http://www.MysticAccess.com
>>> 
>>> Check out our eclectic and comprehensive assistive technology podcasts at:
>>> http://www.MysticAccessPodcast.com
>>> 
>>> Join our free announce-only mailing list to receive product news, podcast 
>>> updates and exclusive coupon codes. Please send a blank email to:
>>> 
>>> manews-subscribe@mysticaccess.email
>>> 
>>> Contact:
>>> 
>>> Phone: (716) 543-3323  (Ext. 500)
>>> 
>>> Twitter: MysticAccess
>>> Facebook: mysticaccessempower
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Original Message 
>>> From: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Sent: Saturday, Dec 17, 2016 10:40 PM EST
>>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>>> Subject: VoiceOver losing speech on Macbook
>>> 
>>> Hey Chris, if you went to the Apple Menu and About This Mac, you could find 
>>> out what year it's from. I kinda find that odd that a 2012 machine would 
>>> have the Alex issue because it's only 4 years old but who knows. I know 
>>> that 2010 models have this which is why I'm avoiding Alex like the plague 
>>> until Apple fixes him. And I assume that you're running Sierra.2 so my 
>>> question about Alex crashing older Macs like mine has been answered, and 
>>> sadly it still is.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Chris G  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I have a Macbook pro 13 inch with 16gb ram and a TB SSHD.  This is the 
>>> one that has the DVD drive on the right side.
>>> 
>>> I have the latest mac os installed on it.

Re: Naming Your Personal Digital Assistant

[Jenine Stanley]

Chris, is that across the Echo line of products? 

My nephew’s girlfriend is named Alexa and that never ceases to be amusing.
> On Jan 29, 2017, at 7:41 AM, Chris G  wrote:
> 
> With the amazon echo, I understand it is now possible to change the wake word 
> to computer.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> Chris Grabowski
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> 
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> 
> 
> 
>  Original Message 
> From: Stacey Robinson
> Sent: Saturday, Jan 28, 2017 7:31 PM EST
> To: Macvisionaries
> Subject: Naming Your Personal Digital Assistant
> 
> My top choice would be Data. I think I’d follow that with computer. If I 
> couldn’t use those I’d just want to say Hello cancel my appointment or set my 
> alarm.
> 
> Peace,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>   
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
> On Jan 28, 2017, at 6:24 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> As some of you know, there are plans in the works to allow some popular
> digital assistants to respond to custom named prompts.
> 
> While, as far as I know anyway, Apple as not yet disclosed plans to allow
> for this, it is my hope that someday, they will.
> 
> So, I was just thinking about what name I would like to use for Siri, were I
> given the option.  Hence, the subject of this thread.
> 
> Of course, being a lifelong Star Trek fan, my first inclination would be to
> set my trigger word to "Computer"; as in, "Computer, cancel my appointment
> with Oprah for tomorrow."   (smile)
> 
> However, as I began to think about it, I decided that perhaps, just perhaps,
> the word "Computer", may not be the best choice, in the long run.
> 
> So, I came up with three names that I would like to use for my AI or
> personal digital assistant with one runner-up.  They are:
> 
> 1.
> Christine.
> 
> 2.
> Maggie,.
> 
> 3.
> Cecil.
> 
> Runner-up:  Bobby.
> 
> (Big Smile)
> 
> Okay, it's your turn, please reply with your 3 top choices for your AI, were
> you given the option.
> 
> I look forward to reading all your replies,
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Naming Your Personal Digital Assistant

[Jenine Stanley]

I love this thread! I use the male British voice for my Siri and call him 
Oliver, though he does sound eerily like a former coworker named Sebastian. 

Here are my 3 new names though in no particular order. 

Data 
AI 
and of course, Computer 

No stupid (deleted expletive) is not one of mine, not yet anyway. 
> On Jan 29, 2017, at 1:58 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark. I can only think of one name. There's this sportscaster on a channel 
> here in Canada called Roger's Sportsnet who I have a deep crush on named 
> Sophia. So I'd probably name my AI after her. Lol.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Jan 28, 2017, at 6:31 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> My top choice would be Data. I think I’d follow that with computer. If I 
>> couldn’t use those I’d just want to say Hello cancel my appointment or set 
>> my alarm.
>> 
>> Peace,   
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>  
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>> 
>>> On Jan 28, 2017, at 6:24 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,  
>>> 
>>> As some of you know, there are plans in the works to allow some popular
>>> digital assistants to respond to custom named prompts.  
>>> 
>>> While, as far as I know anyway, Apple as not yet disclosed plans to allow
>>> for this, it is my hope that someday, they will.  
>>> 
>>> So, I was just thinking about what name I would like to use for Siri, were I
>>> given the option.  Hence, the subject of this thread.  
>>> 
>>> Of course, being a lifelong Star Trek fan, my first inclination would be to
>>> set my trigger word to "Computer"; as in, "Computer, cancel my appointment
>>> with Oprah for tomorrow."   (smile)
>>> 
>>> However, as I began to think about it, I decided that perhaps, just perhaps,
>>> the word "Computer", may not be the best choice, in the long run.
>>> 
>>> So, I came up with three names that I would like to use for my AI or
>>> personal digital assistant with one runner-up.  They are:  
>>> 
>>> 1.
>>> Christine.
>>> 
>>> 2.
>>> Maggie,.
>>> 
>>> 3.
>>> Cecil.
>>> 
>>> Runner-up:  Bobby.
>>> 
>>> (Big Smile)
>>> 
>>> Okay, it's your turn, please reply with your 3 top choices for your AI, were
>>> you given the option.
>>> 
>>> I look forward to reading all your replies,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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porting email boxes from one Mac to another

[Jenine Stanley]

I’m in the process of switching from my MBP as primary computer to my iMac. I 
have a couple questions. 

1. How do I get my VO profile from one machine to the other? I’m assuming 
that’s the correct name for the file in which settings are saved such as voices 
for particular actions, speech settings, etc.

2. I have a number of specially created mailboxes. How can I port them from the 
MBP to the iMac? Can I back up the MBP and then restore things on the Mac? 

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Just Press Record and DropBox

[Jenine Stanley]

Just Press Record does allow you to save to DropBox. It’s under the share 
sheet. I have Google Drive but didn’t see it on the share sheet. You can share 
the recording and/or transcript this way. 
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Re: Object Recognition in Photos App

[Jenine Stanley]

I think it would be much harder with objects as we often want a face to be 
centered but there could be more than 1 object to recognize in a photo. 
Jenine Stanley
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> On Dec 23, 2016, at 4:22 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi, i tried something funny today, take a picture of our xmas tree, it
> works, but now to the next thing, did we not once have a application
> that could guide, us in point the cam or some such?
> Now if it could say the object before we took the picture, now that
> would be cool, i know it can do it with , faces.
> 
> On 12/23/16, Vaughn Brown <jazzdress...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thank you Sandy and Tim.
>> Happy Hilidays!
>> Vaughn
>> 
>> On 12/21/16, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> Live photos are only 1 to 2 seconds of video  the sound is there but very
>>> quick and in some situaitons very difficult to hear.
>>> 
>>> Try listening with headphones on and turn the vol up
>>> 
>>> Good luck.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
>>> Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2016 1:00 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Object Recognition in Photos App
>>> 
>>> Hi. I was told that you get a bit of audio with live photos! I’m not
>>> hearing
>>> any audio when I open a live photo?
>>>> On 21 Dec 2016, at 03:29, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Sandi mentioned this in another thread that many may not be paying
>>>> attention to, so I thought I would bring it up in a new thread as I
>>>> believe that this is a cool feature.  In the Photos app in both iOS 10
>>>> and
>>>> Sierra, over 4000 objects can be recognized.  For example, you could
>>>> enter
>>>> snow in the search field, and Photos will try to find all the pics in
>>>> your
>>>> Photos Library with snow in the picture.  You can even use Siri to find
>>>> things by asking her things like, "Could you find all my photos with a
>>>> dog
>>>> in the picture?"  It will then put the results into a collection for you
>>>> so you can check them out.  This moves beyond just the people and places
>>>> search ability, so is becoming very interesting from a VO user's
>>>> prospective.
>>>> 
>>>> I've only played with it a little, and only on my Mac, since my iPhone
>>>> is
>>>> half-way across the country being repaired.  It found the pictures quite
>>>> well, but I couldn't really confirm what was in the actual picture
>>>> results
>>>> since I couldn't figure out if there was a way to get descriptions and
>>>> such.
>>>> 
>>>> Very interesting indeed.  Thanks for bringing this up Sandi.
>>>> 
>>>> Later...
>>>> 
>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
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Re: Iphone stuttering, frequency, triggers, recurrence

[Jenine Stanley]

I’ve had the double synth effect on my 6S running one of the earlier beta 10.2 
versions and have heard some breaking up of the speech since then but not the 
double effect or changing to the compact voice. I’m using the US Siri male 
voice for VO. 

It seems to happen when I do have a number of apps open and running so power 
could be the issue but that said, I haven’t checked *every* time for this so 
can’t verify.
Jenine Stanley
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> On Dec 12, 2016, at 1:17 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> This 6 is a few generations out now so likely under powered.  That’s a guess 
> anyway.  On the 6S and 7+ things seem pretty stable, especially the 7+.  Then 
> again, the A10 chip has the same processing power as the 13 inch MacBook Pro 
> so I would hope so.:)
> 
> 
>> On Dec 12, 2016, at 1:08 PM, Christine Grassman <cgrassman1...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Speaking only for myself, of course, I have an iPhone 6, using the latest 
>> iOS, with the Australian male voice by default, but this has happened with 
>> Alex as well. Not compressed, and with or without apps in the background.
>> Christine
>> 
>>> On Dec 12, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, what voice are you using and are you using the compact or full 
>>> uncompressed voice?  I have not experienced this but I’m running the 7+ 
>>> with the latest processor so it may be an issue of horse power.  Do you 
>>> have a lot of apps running in the background?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 12, 2016, at 12:17 PM, Cheree Heppe <che...@dogsc4me.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Vo stuttering seems to happen when using the phone following accessing 
>>>> apps.
>>>> Disabling vo and re-engaging sets vo temporarily right.
>>>> The vo stuttering sounds the way a Windows speech synth does when two 
>>>> iterations of synths  run simultaneously.
>>>> Anyone experiencing this?
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Skype Call Recorder

[Jenine Stanley]

Sadly I think you may be correct here. Certainly what I have has no tags or 
help messages when hitting VO-shift-h on the unlabeled controls. 
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> On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:57 PM, michael babcock <michael.babcoc...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I don’t think “Skype call recorder” from the app store is accessible. . (i 
> could be wrong)  ow much was it? I remember having to go threw the process of 
> getting a refund because i thought it was what i wanted
> You want:
> Call Recorder for Skype - The Skype Audio/Video HD Call Recording …
> http://www.ecamm.com/mac/callrecorder/ 
> <http://www.ecamm.com/mac/callrecorder/>
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>> <clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't remember the order of those buttons, but you got the right thing. Do 
>> a VO+Shift+H on the buttons to see what they are. There are help tags 
>> included. I'd tell them to ya, but I'm not by the mac right this sec where I 
>> can look. Sorry about that.
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
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>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Jenine Stanley" 
>> <dragonwalke...@gmail.com>
>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 2:07 PM
>> Subject: Skype Call Recorder
>> 
>> 
>> I bought Call Recorder for Skype from the Mac App store and have a question 
>> for anyone using it.
>> 
>> When I bring it up along with Skype, there are 2 unlabeled buttons and an 
>> unlabeled checkbox. It says I have no recordings even if I do interact with 
>> the buttons and press them or check the checkbox. What am I doing 
>> wrong?Thanks. Also, I’m hoping the app store version is the one I want. 
>> Looking into the FaceTime version as well.
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>> 
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Skype Call Recorder

[Jenine Stanley]

I bought Call Recorder for Skype from the Mac App store and have a question for 
anyone using it. 

When I bring it up along with Skype, there are 2 unlabeled buttons and an 
unlabeled checkbox. It says I have no recordings even if I do interact with the 
buttons and press them or check the checkbox. What am I doing wrong?Thanks. 
Also, I’m hoping the app store version is the one I want. Looking into the 
FaceTime version as well.
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



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Re: iPhone headset recommendations

[Jenine Stanley]

I am lusting for the Airpods. Enough said there.
Jenine Stanley
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> On Nov 17, 2016, at 1:52 AM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, that is what I am waiting for. I currently use my earpods, and my cheap 
> Bluetooth earpiece when necessary.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 17/11/2016, at 19:02, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Just a thought here,
>> 
>> And ok I don’t' think the base / treble  is going to work but what about the 
>> not yet released apple wifi earposds?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Thursday, 17 November 2016 6:40 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iPhone headset recommendations
>> 
>> I can help you with everything but the base adjustment.  On the cordless 
>> side, the Plantronics Voyager 5220 is a fantastic headset with the best 
>> noise cancelation I’ve used so far and that’s saying something because 
>> plantronics has kick ass sound cancelation in their products for a long time 
>> now.  The battery life is good, lots of audio queues and they have a UC 
>> model that can snap in to your phone system as well as cell phone.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 16, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, I actually use that headset also, though the microphone is sketchy for 
>>> phone calls. I have the corded model. I had one of the original Aftershokz 
>>> bluetooth models but the power port died fairly early on.
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 16, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I use a headset from Aftershokz. They are bone-conduction which means they 
>>>> don't cover your ears. I was getting a lot of ear infections and I thought 
>>>> maybe it was because my ears were covered for 8 hours a day. Plus I was 
>>>> worried about the effect headphones had on my hearing. That's not 
>>>> scientific. I know of no studies that show that wearing headphones over 
>>>> your ears damages your hearing. But I figure bone conduction is less 
>>>> likely to have an effect because the sound is not trapped in your ear 
>>>> canal. Anyway, the big problem with this headset is that it has a battery. 
>>>> It is a rechargeable battery built into the chord. That has two problems, 
>>>> the chord has extra weight to it and you have to periodically recharge the 
>>>> headset. You can recharge them while using them but it makes an annoying 
>>>> buzzing sound. The rechargeable battery is pretty small and it is designed 
>>>> to clip onto your collar so it is tolerable. All in all, I would probably 
>>>> buy another headset like this if this one broke. But it is not ideal. It 
>>>> does have a volume control but not a bass/treble control.
>>>> 
>>>> I also have an Aftershokz bluetooth headphone, without a microphone. That 
>>>> actually is really nice. It also has a battery but you'd expect that. The 
>>>> battery life is really long and the sound quality is way better thanI 
>>>> expected. As I said, this is just a pair of headphone but I would think 
>>>> the bluetooth headset by the same company would pretty much be the same 
>>>> thing only with a microphone attach.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> n 11/15/2016 03:31 PM, Jenine Stanley wrote:
>>>>> Sorry, I wasn’t paying attention when this thread came up earlier but now 
>>>>> I have a need for a specific type of headset.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I use my iPhone 6S for work calls and I need a good headset, money being 
>>>>> a minimal concern here, that has both a volume control separate from the 
>>>>> phone and a control for bass/trebel.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’d take a bluetooth recommendation but prefer wired for this situation.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> Jenine Stanley
>>>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Todd
>>>> 
>>>&

Re: iPhone headset recommendations

[Jenine Stanley]

I generally really like the Apple earpods and the design is fairly good in my 
ears. I am losing some low frequency hearing though and as a good bit of my job 
involves phone calls, I need to maximize my listening ability on said phone. 
Granted the best headset in the world isn’t going to make someone else’s crappy 
cell phone sound any better but at least I can try. 

I’m considering buying a pair of the lightning earpods as I hear the base is 
fuller on them.
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



> On Nov 17, 2016, at 12:57 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Janine,
> 
> What is wrong with the apple headphones for your mobile?
> 
> I use mine all the time for phone calls and music etc if I need to shut 
> myself away from life in general.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jenine Stanley
> Sent: Thursday, 17 November 2016 4:03 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone headset recommendations
> 
> Hi, I actually use that headset also, though the microphone is sketchy for 
> phone calls. I have the corded model. I had one of the original Aftershokz 
> bluetooth models but the power port died fairly early on.
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 16, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I use a headset from Aftershokz. They are bone-conduction which means they 
>> don't cover your ears. I was getting a lot of ear infections and I thought 
>> maybe it was because my ears were covered for 8 hours a day. Plus I was 
>> worried about the effect headphones had on my hearing. That's not 
>> scientific. I know of no studies that show that wearing headphones over your 
>> ears damages your hearing. But I figure bone conduction is less likely to 
>> have an effect because the sound is not trapped in your ear canal. Anyway, 
>> the big problem with this headset is that it has a battery. It is a 
>> rechargeable battery built into the chord. That has two problems, the chord 
>> has extra weight to it and you have to periodically recharge the headset. 
>> You can recharge them while using them but it makes an annoying buzzing 
>> sound. The rechargeable battery is pretty small and it is designed to clip 
>> onto your collar so it is tolerable. All in all, I would probably buy 
>> another headset like this if this one broke. But it is not ideal. It does 
>> have a volume control but not a bass/treble control.
>> 
>> I also have an Aftershokz bluetooth headphone, without a microphone. That 
>> actually is really nice. It also has a battery but you'd expect that. The 
>> battery life is really long and the sound quality is way better thanI 
>> expected. As I said, this is just a pair of headphone but I would think the 
>> bluetooth headset by the same company would pretty much be the same thing 
>> only with a microphone attach.
>> 
>> 
>> n 11/15/2016 03:31 PM, Jenine Stanley wrote:
>>> Sorry, I wasn’t paying attention when this thread came up earlier but now I 
>>> have a need for a specific type of headset.
>>> 
>>> I use my iPhone 6S for work calls and I need a good headset, money being a 
>>> minimal concern here, that has both a volume control separate from the 
>>> phone and a control for bass/trebel.
>>> 
>>> I’d take a bluetooth recommendation but prefer wired for this situation.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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Re: iPhone headset recommendations

[Jenine Stanley]

Thanks for this info. I was talking to a support person at Plantronix who also 
recommended that very model as well as a lower end one, the Black Wire 315. 
Anyone used that model? 

Both of these are on my Black Friday shopping list to look at.
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



> On Nov 16, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I can help you with everything but the base adjustment.  On the cordless 
> side, the Plantronics Voyager 5220 is a fantastic headset with the best noise 
> cancelation I’ve used so far and that’s saying something because plantronics 
> has kick ass sound cancelation in their products for a long time now.  The 
> battery life is good, lots of audio queues and they have a UC model that can 
> snap in to your phone system as well as cell phone.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 16, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, I actually use that headset also, though the microphone is sketchy for 
>> phone calls. I have the corded model. I had one of the original Aftershokz 
>> bluetooth models but the power port died fairly early on.
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 16, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I use a headset from Aftershokz. They are bone-conduction which means they 
>>> don't cover your ears. I was getting a lot of ear infections and I thought 
>>> maybe it was because my ears were covered for 8 hours a day. Plus I was 
>>> worried about the effect headphones had on my hearing. That's not 
>>> scientific. I know of no studies that show that wearing headphones over 
>>> your ears damages your hearing. But I figure bone conduction is less likely 
>>> to have an effect because the sound is not trapped in your ear canal. 
>>> Anyway, the big problem with this headset is that it has a battery. It is a 
>>> rechargeable battery built into the chord. That has two problems, the chord 
>>> has extra weight to it and you have to periodically recharge the headset. 
>>> You can recharge them while using them but it makes an annoying buzzing 
>>> sound. The rechargeable battery is pretty small and it is designed to clip 
>>> onto your collar so it is tolerable. All in all, I would probably buy 
>>> another headset like this if this one broke. But it is not ideal. It does 
>>> have a volume control but not a bass/treble control.
>>> 
>>> I also have an Aftershokz bluetooth headphone, without a microphone. That 
>>> actually is really nice. It also has a battery but you'd expect that. The 
>>> battery life is really long and the sound quality is way better thanI 
>>> expected. As I said, this is just a pair of headphone but I would think the 
>>> bluetooth headset by the same company would pretty much be the same thing 
>>> only with a microphone attach.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> n 11/15/2016 03:31 PM, Jenine Stanley wrote:
>>>> Sorry, I wasn’t paying attention when this thread came up earlier but now 
>>>> I have a need for a specific type of headset.
>>>> 
>>>> I use my iPhone 6S for work calls and I need a good headset, money being a 
>>>> minimal concern here, that has both a volume control separate from the 
>>>> phone and a control for bass/trebel.
>>>> 
>>>> I’d take a bluetooth recommendation but prefer wired for this situation.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Jenine Stanley
>>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
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Re: iPhone headset recommendations

[Jenine Stanley]

Hi, I actually use that headset also, though the microphone is sketchy for 
phone calls. I have the corded model. I had one of the original Aftershokz 
bluetooth models but the power port died fairly early on.
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



> On Nov 16, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I use a headset from Aftershokz. They are bone-conduction which means they 
> don't cover your ears. I was getting a lot of ear infections and I thought 
> maybe it was because my ears were covered for 8 hours a day. Plus I was 
> worried about the effect headphones had on my hearing. That's not scientific. 
> I know of no studies that show that wearing headphones over your ears damages 
> your hearing. But I figure bone conduction is less likely to have an effect 
> because the sound is not trapped in your ear canal. Anyway, the big problem 
> with this headset is that it has a battery. It is a rechargeable battery 
> built into the chord. That has two problems, the chord has extra weight to it 
> and you have to periodically recharge the headset. You can recharge them 
> while using them but it makes an annoying buzzing sound. The rechargeable 
> battery is pretty small and it is designed to clip onto your collar so it is 
> tolerable. All in all, I would probably buy another headset like this if this 
> one broke. But it is not ideal. It does have a volume control but not a 
> bass/treble control.
> 
> I also have an Aftershokz bluetooth headphone, without a microphone. That 
> actually is really nice. It also has a battery but you'd expect that. The 
> battery life is really long and the sound quality is way better thanI 
> expected. As I said, this is just a pair of headphone but I would think the 
> bluetooth headset by the same company would pretty much be the same thing 
> only with a microphone attach.
> 
> 
> n 11/15/2016 03:31 PM, Jenine Stanley wrote:
>> Sorry, I wasn’t paying attention when this thread came up earlier but now I 
>> have a need for a specific type of headset.
>> 
>> I use my iPhone 6S for work calls and I need a good headset, money being a 
>> minimal concern here, that has both a volume control separate from the phone 
>> and a control for bass/trebel.
>> 
>> I’d take a bluetooth recommendation but prefer wired for this situation.
>> 
>> Thanks.
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>> 
>> 
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iPhone headset recommendations

[Jenine Stanley]

Sorry, I wasn’t paying attention when this thread came up earlier but now I 
have a need for a specific type of headset. 

I use my iPhone 6S for work calls and I need a good headset, money being a 
minimal concern here, that has both a volume control separate from the phone 
and a control for bass/trebel. 

I’d take a bluetooth recommendation but prefer wired for this situation.

Thanks.
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Re: KNFB Reader on Iphone

[Jenine Stanley]

Funny you should mention this today. I had an issue with my computer and did 
use KNFB Reader to read the screen. In cases where that doesn’t work, such as 
if there’s glare coming in the window or the screen is just not reading for 
whatever reason, I use a combination of TapTap See, KNFB Reader and Bespecular 
to get the info I need. Between the 3 of these apps, I’m amazed at how much I 
can actually solve independently. 

KNFB Reader does do a fairly good job of reading LCD screens if there is not 
any glare. That’s sometimes hard to judge so view whatever it is you’re 
scanning from several angles.
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> On Nov 15, 2016, at 1:28 PM, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi. Eye Of Providence is a app that matches the KNFB Reader for accuracy when 
> it comes to scanning results. 10 pics free and then you can by a bundle of 
> 100 pics.  
> 
>> On 15 Nov 2016, at 13:27, becky knaub <becnc...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:becnc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I'm not sure if it will or not. Sometimes things like that will but if 
>> there's any kind of glare or anything it won't. I would suggest if you need 
>> to read the computer screen using TapTapSee, Be My Eyes or BeSpecular. I 
>> have used TapTapSee and Be My Eyes to read things on the computer that 
>> VoiceOver wasn't reading.
>> 
>> Becky and Hazel
>> 
>> On Nov 15, 2016, at 6:56 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have had luck with this as well as reading screens of devices with 
>>> dedicated LCD or LED screens that don’t have any sort of accessibility 
>>> features.
>>> 
>>> To be honest, KNFB reader always surprises me with what it actually reads.  
>>> The iPhone 7+ does a very good job as well but I’ve had remarkable results 
>>> from the 6 forward.
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 15, 2016, at 3:16 AM, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> of cores everyone is searching to  find the best accessibility tools
>>>> to help surviving in life, and I read about the KNFB reader on Iphone,
>>>> the only thing that will make me buy it is, does it read the computer
>>>> screen, if I  found something that I could not read with Voice over?
>>>> this is the most important part for me. because,  the KNFB reader will
>>>> not read Arabic, but if it can read the computer screen, I will buy it
>>>> now.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> 
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>>>> Faculty ofmusical education
>>>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
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Re: Amadeus Pro Question

[Jenine Stanley]

Brian, 

You can also move to specific points in a file if you know the approximate time 
with command-g. Type in the time using the following format. Minutes followed 
by quotation marks then seconds with no spaces. 

To find the current time in the recording, move to the tool bar and interact 
with it. 

I highly recommend Jonathan Mosen’s book on Amadeus Pro if you choose to do 
more with this app. It gives a good foundation for using the app. 
Jenine Stanley
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> On Nov 9, 2016, at 6:18 PM, Brian Fischler <brianfisch...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for all this info playing around with it now, just trying to get going 
> with some basic cutting.
>> On Nov 9, 2016, at 5:58 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net 
>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> First, let’s deal with the run time.  You can find it in the tool bar over 
>> on the very right hand side.  Now, let’s discuss quickly moving through a 
>> file.  Sounds like you need to know how to zoom in and out.  So, here goes.  
>> To zoom out as much as possible, press the dash key, (just to the right of 
>> the zero key on the number row)  This will give you the greatest degree of 
>> playback curser movement possible.  To zoom in, which will do the opposite, 
>> use the plus simble.
>> 
>> Now, have you figured out markers yet?  Believe me, using markers really 
>> speeds things up quite nicely.  I suspect this is a good time to talk about 
>> curser routing.  Actually, you have to cursers to deal with.  You can think 
>> of one of them as a kind of playback head.  It moves when you use the right 
>> and left arrow keys.  But, bear this in mind, you are still not moving the 
>> actual insertion point;  just the playback head curser.  So, let’s say you 
>> get to a spot where you want to drop a marker.  You’d press space to stop, 
>> and then, press Command+y.  This will instantly rout the actual insertion 
>> point to the spot your play head is on.  IF you press the p key, you set a 
>> marker.  There’s another way to set a marker which will open a nameing 
>> dialog but we will not deal with that here.  IF you find yourself in a 
>> situation where you want or need to rout the playback head curser to the 
>> insertion point, just use shift+command+y.  That should be enough to at 
>> least get you started.
>> 
>> Oh, when you select a piece of audio, the usual rules apply.  Copy to clip 
>> board is command+c.  Paste is Command+v and so on.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Nov 9, 2016, at 4:45 PM, Brian Fischler <brianfisch...@me.com 
>>> <mailto:brianfisch...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey guys,
>>> 
>>> Thanks will try escape next time as I to quit the app and started over. Any 
>>> idea what the key commands are to quickly jump through a large audio file 
>>> and where you can find the running time of a piece as I cannot seem to 
>>> figure this out for the life of me. Thanks again.
>>>> On Nov 9, 2016, at 5:27 PM, Robert Cole <mr.robertc...@icloud.com 
>>>> <mailto:mr.robertc...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> When it happened to me, I had to close the app and reopen it.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 9, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Brian Fischler <brianfisch...@me.com 
>>>>> <mailto:brianfisch...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just got Amadeus Pro and am learning how to use it. I was using space bar 
>>>>> to play and the arrows to rewind and fast forward but now all of the 
>>>>> sudden the space will activate whatever VO is focused on not play and 
>>>>> pause and the arrows instead of rewind and fast forward instead move me 
>>>>> through the application. How do I get back to the arrows and space bar 
>>>>> controlling playback. Also how do you quickly jump through time without 
>>>>> suing the arrow keys and how can you see the time you are at for a 
>>>>> recording? Thanks,
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Re: charging iPhone 7+ issues

[Jenine Stanley]

Mary, 

I don’t have an iPhone 7 but my 6S does get quite warm occasionally when 
charging. It doesn’t happen all the time though.
Jenine Stanley
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> On Oct 21, 2016, at 7:41 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
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> Hi List,
>  
>   I just received my iPhone 7+ 2 days ago and used the battery upp completely 
> before charging it last night.
>  
> Now when I got up this morning and unplugged it from ac power  the phone felt 
> very warm and I could not unlock it with the pin code or get it to turn vo 
> off / on
>  
> I started getting a bit concerned that things might be wrong but finally foud 
> the instructions on how to reboot the iPhone 7 range, power and volume down,
> This seemed to correct issues I was having with pin input and fingerprint 
> scanning
>  
> The charging seemed to really screw up the input.
>  
> H has anyone else noticed this sort of behaviour with their phones  
> especially the device heating up when charging 
> Warm enough for me to feel it through the leather wallet case it was in, I 
> never felt this with my 6s+ or previous 6 etc.
>  
> Cheers for any info.
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Re: Transferring and reading text files on iOS devices

[Jenine Stanley]

Not sure if this works for you but I use Voice Dream Reader for this purpose. 
The files won’t directly transfer into it unless you email them to yourself and 
export then open them in Voice Dream Reader. You can also transfer them to your 
iCloud drive in a special folder which is located inside the Reader folder that 
Voice Dream sets up if you choose to use iCloud Drive. this folder is called 
Loader and is where the files reside until transferred to your iPhone. 

I believe you can do the same thing with voice Dream Writer as well. In fact, 
that’s how I do things, with either app, depending on what I want to do with 
the information. I’ve also used Google Docs but that’s cloud based. HTH
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> On Sep 25, 2016, at 8:50 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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> Dear Macvisionaries subscribers,
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> I am in need of an iOS app that makes it possible to transfer text files from
> a Mac or from another operating system to an iOS device (e.g., an iPhone), 
> then
> read them quickly later on. The text files need to be stored on the iPhone or
> iPad, not on a server somewhere.
> 
> For example, if I am about to travel, I can store flight and hotel information
> in a text file for quick retrieval, instead of having to scroll through my
> e-mail to find it.
> 
> I found File App, which appears to do what I want, but the latest version is
> not accessible with VoiceOver under iOS. It claims to support ftp for file
> transfers, which would be excellent, but the "swipe to continue" screen
> displayed when the app starts presents difficulties.
> 
> Suggested apps would be most welcome. The solution needs to enable file
> transfers from systems other than Mac OS, but it should also be accessible
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Re: Whart will people use Siri for on the Mac?

[Jenine Stanley]

Mine is quite slow on my mid 2012 MBP but I do use it for opening apps. I also 
appreciate quickly getting my system stats with it. Not sure whatelse I’ll use 
it for but possibly opening web pages will be something worthwhile.
Jenine Stanley
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> On Sep 24, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> I find it helpful for quickly sending tweets or messages, opening apps, 
> getting the definitions or spellings of words, and looking for 
> files/pictures. For instance, I needed to find a particular picture I'd taken 
> the previous day, so simply told Siri to "show pictures I took yesterday". 
> Yes, it's easier to do things on a Mac than an iPhone with a keyboard, but 
> it's often easier with Siri, even on the Mac. I might not have Messages open, 
> or I might be in the middle of something and want to dash off a reply as soon 
> as I can. Or I might be writing something, and just need to check a 
> definition before typing a word; Siri is far faster than typing the word, 
> looking it up, and finding the web content holding the definitions. The 
> latter is more thorough, but all I need is a quick check. Finally, Siri is 
> great for quickly playing music, especially for Apple Music subscribers. Even 
> if you don't use that service, Siri can play any song, artist, or playlist in 
> your library, just like on iOS. Don't want to deal with iTunes? Just tell 
> Siri to play a song, or that you love or don't like the current song, or any 
> similar commands.
>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 19:09, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com 
>> <mailto:kgli...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> I don't know why Siri is on the Mac as I find it very weird being able to 
>> tell Siri what to do as I'm use to it on the I phone but not so on the Mac.  
>> You see, I'm use to typing on the Mac and dictating on my I phone.
>> 
>> So out of interest, what will people use Siri for on the Mac?  Apart from 
>> asking Siri daft questions, and asking Siri to send your messages and short 
>> replies to your e-mails, what else can you do as you can't  take your I Mac 
>> or Mac Mini out of the house!
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Re: Search tab in iOS app store seems totally busted!

[Jenine Stanley]

No trouble here with a 6S either. Just tried to break it too and nothing out of 
the ordinary happened. tried swiping, touching and sliding around the screen to 
find things. all worked. Doesn’t mean it’s not happening but it’s not happening 
here. 
Jenine Stanley
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> On Sep 16, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Danny Noonan <danny.p.noo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Perhaps it's evice specific as I'm having no trouble on my 6. 
> 
> Danny
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 17 Sep. 2016, at 4:45 am, don bishop <w6...@donbishop.org 
> <mailto:w6...@donbishop.org>> wrote:
> 
>> Yes, I've noticed that too.  
>> 
>> Don  
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Christopher-Mark Gilland  <clgillan...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 11:43 am
>> Subject: Search tab in iOS app store seems totally busted!
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So... When I go, in iOS10 to the app store, then to the search tab, I only 
>>> some of the time now see my search box at the top of the screen.  If I do 
>>> see it, I double tap.  The keyboard comes up, but if I then flick back up 
>>> to the text box, it doesn't say is editting.  If I try using Siri to 
>>> dictate, nothing gets inserted into the box.  If I manually type my query 
>>> in, it'll then type in the box, but the search button isn't showing at the 
>>> bottom of the keyboard.  in fact, as soon as I put my finger in the bottom 
>>> right quadrant of the screen to tap search, the keyboard disappears 
>>> entirely, and I land on the update tab instead.  I know I quote, need to 
>>> just move my finger up a little bit.  Trust me, I am profoundly familiar 
>>> with the app store, and how it works.  I'm doing this 100% correctly, I 
>>> assure you beyond a doubt.
>>> 
>>> Plus, I have enough low vision to see what it's doing.  I'm definitely 
>>> doing it correctly.
>>> 
>>> The one time I somehow managed to get the search to carry out, mind you I 
>>> dono what the heck I did to do so, there were no results.  The key word I 
>>> searched for, just to see if I could make anything come up, not that I was 
>>> gonna download it was, Pokimon G.  No results came up after doing the 
>>> search.  Further, when I clicked clear search after the search field, it 
>>> wouldn't clear out what I typed.
>>> 
>>> I've rebooted the phone.  NO good.  I disconnected and reconnected to my 
>>> wifi.  No good.  I tried on cellular.  No good.  I even factory reset the 
>>> phone.  NO good, and no, after doing so, I didn't restore from a backup.  I 
>>> don't do that with major updates like this.  I just start over clean.
>>> 
>>> It wasn't doing this earlier this morning,  and what's weirded on the mac 
>>> is, when I open ITunes, I can't even get to the store anymore with 
>>> command+Shift+Have in the update that just came out.  It bwonks at me, if I 
>>> try.  I literally have to vo+Right arrow to the store radio button, then 
>>> VO+Space on it.  Incredibly, incredibly! clunky!
>>> 
>>> Is anyone else seeing this stuff?
>>> 
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Re: Skype contacts question

[Jenine Stanley]

Thanks, I fixed it. It’s not showing contacts I’ve favorited in the phone app 
but at least it’s now showing everyone. Now to get my audio to work. that’s a 
whole other batch of fun. 
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> On Sep 14, 2016, at 10:09 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>   When you select Contacts from the sidebar and jump to the window you will 
> find tabs along there, the first says All. The third one I think it is, will 
> say Skype. Select that and you will see your Skype only contacts.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 9/14/2016 5:29 AM, Jenine Stanley wrote:
>> Question about Skype contacts.
>> 
>> So I have Skype contacts on my phone app, people not in my standard Contacts 
>> app but for whom I have contacts via Skype.
>> 
>> Then I try to open Skype on my Mac, log in with the same info as on the 
>> phone and those contacts are not appearing but everyone from my regular 
>> Contacts app is.
>> 
>> Do I have to re-add each of these people from the phone app?
>> 
>> Yes, I hate Skype!
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Skype contacts question

[Jenine Stanley]

Question about Skype contacts. 

So I have Skype contacts on my phone app, people not in my standard Contacts 
app but for whom I have contacts via Skype. 

Then I try to open Skype on my Mac, log in with the same info as on the phone 
and those contacts are not appearing but everyone from my regular Contacts app 
is. 

Do I have to re-add each of these people from the phone app? 

Yes, I hate Skype! 

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Re: Here is the Text of the User Manual for the Nearby Explorer, for iOS, GPS Navigation App

[Jenine Stanley]

Not to defend Mike, as he can do that himself, but he didn’t realize that the 
app does indeed identify POIs when possible with the side of street information 
included. He made a correction on the Nearby Explorer lists to his assumption. 
I’m sure he’ll go back in and correct the podcast or have an adendum for it. 


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> On Aug 28, 2016, at 3:17 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Janine is correct. I didn't listen to the podcast, but if Mike said that in 
> general it didn't identify the side of the street for the destination, he was 
> wrong.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 11:40 AM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The provision of information is not condescending. The podcast I heard 
>> describing the product demonstrated that it did not identify the side of the 
>> street for the destination. Therefore, I concluded that it never identifies 
>> it. In the podcast, it was stated that the Android version of the product 
>> identifies the side of the street. If the iOS version also identifies it 
>> when possible, I will likely purchase it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:32 PM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> At the risk of also being condescending, I’ll chime in here. 
>> 
>> Nearby Explorer does identify which side of the street the destination is on 
>> if it can do so. There are some address schemes which do not make this 
>> possible. Sometimes it’s also recorded incorrectly when the mappers put in 
>> geocodes for things like points of interest. 
>> 
>> I’d wager that your other GPS solution gets it wrong at least a couple 
>> times, but maybe not in the immediate areas where you use it. 
>> 
>> to answer your question/train of thought though, Nearby Explorer does 
>> provide this information when possible. 
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:40 PM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the education, David. It's a little condescending but I'll leave 
>>> it at that.
>>> 
>>> Just to be clear, I have another GPS solution which will identify the side 
>>> of the street of the destination. I do not want to spend the money for this 
>>> unless it will do the same. This has nothing to do with GPS accuracy, 
>>> orientation skills, or international travel. It should have been obvious 
>>> that what I intended to state was that I wanted to know the side of the 
>>> street of the destination. Not sure why anyone would need GPS to inform 
>>> them if they (the person traveling) are on the left or right side of the 
>>> street.
>>> 
>>> Also, I might be deafblind or there might be several other reasons why one 
>>> would prefer this feature. Mainly, it exists in other GPS apps and I like 
>>> it. I do not use GPS to travel to familiar locations. If the map identifies 
>>> the side of the street for specific addresses, it should be included in the 
>>> information available to a blind user if possible.
>>> If I did not already own a solution where it is available, I might purchase 
>>> this with faith that it might be added in the future.
>>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 7:39 AM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> When the accuracy is very good, one ends up very close to the location. 
>>> When the accuracy is not as good, one ends up within the block. In that 
>>> case, good O skills will get the person to the location; such skills as 
>>> asking people in the area.
>>> 
>>> I travel independently, and internationally, using GPS, with excellent 
>>> success. It is another tool in my travel toolbox. It is not the ultimate 
>>> tool, it is another tool.
>>> 
>>> Oh, and when the GPS signal is very pool, it is necessary to fall back on 
>>> O skills without GPS.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 28 Aug 2016, at 22:40, Geoff Stephens <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I guess I am smart enough to be able to tell which side of the street I am 
>>>> on. The concern is about the destination.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 10:58 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> 
>

Re: Here is the Text of the User Manual for the Nearby Explorer, for iOS, GPS Navigation App

[Jenine Stanley]

At the risk of also being condescending, I’ll chime in here. 

Nearby Explorer does identify which side of the street the destination is on if 
it can do so. There are some address schemes which do not make this possible. 
Sometimes it’s also recorded incorrectly when the mappers put in geocodes for 
things like points of interest. 

I’d wager that your other GPS solution gets it wrong at least a couple times, 
but maybe not in the immediate areas where you use it. 

to answer your question/train of thought though, Nearby Explorer does provide 
this information when possible. 
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



> On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:40 PM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the education, David. It's a little condescending but I'll leave 
> it at that.
> 
> Just to be clear, I have another GPS solution which will identify the side of 
> the street of the destination. I do not want to spend the money for this 
> unless it will do the same. This has nothing to do with GPS accuracy, 
> orientation skills, or international travel. It should have been obvious that 
> what I intended to state was that I wanted to know the side of the street of 
> the destination. Not sure why anyone would need GPS to inform them if they 
> (the person traveling) are on the left or right side of the street.
> 
> Also, I might be deafblind or there might be several other reasons why one 
> would prefer this feature. Mainly, it exists in other GPS apps and I like it. 
> I do not use GPS to travel to familiar locations. If the map identifies the 
> side of the street for specific addresses, it should be included in the 
> information available to a blind user if possible.
> If I did not already own a solution where it is available, I might purchase 
> this with faith that it might be added in the future.
> On Aug 28, 2016, at 7:39 AM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> When the accuracy is very good, one ends up very close to the location. When 
> the accuracy is not as good, one ends up within the block. In that case, good 
> O skills will get the person to the location; such skills as asking people 
> in the area.
> 
> I travel independently, and internationally, using GPS, with excellent 
> success. It is another tool in my travel toolbox. It is not the ultimate 
> tool, it is another tool.
> 
> Oh, and when the GPS signal is very pool, it is necessary to fall back on O 
> skills without GPS.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 28 Aug 2016, at 22:40, Geoff Stephens <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I guess I am smart enough to be able to tell which side of the street I am 
>> on. The concern is about the destination.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 10:58 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Given the inaccuracies which are inherrant in GPS thus far, I would not 
>>> trust any app which claimed to be able to tell you which side of the street 
>>> you are currently on. GPS is not that accurate.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 28 Aug 2016, at 14:05, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hmm. Let me know when the iOS version announces the side of the street. 
>>>> This is definitely a deal breaker for me.
>>>> On Aug 21, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It's designed for blind users, but currently it only works in the United 
>>>> States and Canada.
>>>>> On Aug 21, 2016, at 1:31 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>> I didn’t know that this app was available for the Iphone.
>>>>> Is this an app thats designed for blind users or is it some other 
>>>>> features that people like with this app.
>>>>> /A
>>>>>> On 20 Aug 2016, at 17:14, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello Mark.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just in case, you sent to the Macvisionary list.  Did you mean to do 
>>>>>> that or did you mean to send it to the GPS list?  I knew you’d get it 
>>>>>> and I’m really glad you did as I was going to ask you to do that.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Kawal.
>>>>>&g

Re: Here is the Text of the User Manual for the Nearby Explorer, for iOS, GPS Navigation App

[Jenine Stanley]

Thanks David, you beat me to this one. 

Also, what we have to remember regarding GPS is that any app, yes even the 
blindness specific ones, used in real time assumes you are in the middle of the 
street, rather than on a sidewalk. This is how the maps are designed which are 
at the heart of every GPS program. 

There are apps, like Key Nav for the BrailleNote series of products, PC Maps 
and I’m sure others, that allow you to explore in a virtual mode which does put 
you on one side or other of a street to a point. again, these are only as 
accurate as the maps. 
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



> On Aug 27, 2016, at 10:58 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Given the inaccuracies which are inherrant in GPS thus far, I would not trust 
> any app which claimed to be able to tell you which side of the street you are 
> currently on. GPS is not that accurate.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 28 Aug 2016, at 14:05, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm. Let me know when the iOS version announces the side of the street. This 
>> is definitely a deal breaker for me.
>> On Aug 21, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
>> 
>> It's designed for blind users, but currently it only works in the United 
>> States and Canada.
>>> On Aug 21, 2016, at 1:31 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I didn’t know that this app was available for the Iphone.
>>> Is this an app thats designed for blind users or is it some other features 
>>> that people like with this app.
>>> /A
>>>> On 20 Aug 2016, at 17:14, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Mark.
>>>> 
>>>> Just in case, you sent to the Macvisionary list.  Did you mean to do that 
>>>> or did you mean to send it to the GPS list?  I knew you’d get it and I’m 
>>>> really glad you did as I was going to ask you to do that.
>>>> 
>>>> Kawal.
>>>>> On 20 Aug 2016, at 15:38, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Everyone,  
>>>>> 
>>>>> I must say that I am extremely impressed with the Nearby Explorer, for 
>>>>> iOS, GPS navigation app, developed by the American Printing House for the 
>>>>> Blind.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, for your convenience, in either enjoying the app or determining 
>>>>> whether or not to purchase it, I am pasting in the complete text of its 
>>>>> user manual, below my signature line.
>>>>> 
>>>>> A couple of things to note, however:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1.
>>>>> Currently, this app only supports navigation in the United States and 
>>>>> Canada.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2.
>>>>> At the time of this post, the cost of the app is, in the U.S. App Store 
>>>>> anyway, $79.99.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 3.
>>>>> In order to successfully install the app, which includes its built-in map 
>>>>> of North America, you must have at least 4GB of free space available on 
>>>>> your iOS device.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 4.
>>>>> The direct URL to the online user manual, which includes a in-page 
>>>>> hyperlinked table of contents, omitted in this post, is:
>>>>> http://tech.aph.org/ne/index.html
>>>>> 
>>>>> 5.
>>>>> I have not edited the contents of this text in any way.  I simply copied 
>>>>> the text from the website; therefore some of the formatting may not be 
>>>>> consistent with the HTML version of the manual.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Finally, to you old-timers out there, I am delighted to report that this 
>>>>> app reminds me a great deal of the groundbreaking, GPS navigation 
>>>>> solution for the blind and low vision that started it all; I am 
>>>>> referring, of course, to Code Factory’s Mobile Geo.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> Okay, on to the show.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> Enjoy and Happy & Safe Traveling,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mark
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nearby Explorer for iOS User's Guide
>>>>> 
>>>>> Copyright 2016
>>>>> 
>>>>> American Printing House for th

checking progress of downloads

[Jenine Stanley]

I feel completely stupid here as I think I’ve asked this before but is there a 
quick way to check the progress of a download from Safari? 

I’ve gone to the tool bar and interacted with the Downloads button but nothing 
seems to happen. 

Thanks.
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Re: Travel bluetooth keyboard recommendations?

[Jenine Stanley]

The Logitech keyboard I mentioned has a mechanical, and very tactile, on-off 
switch on the back. It also can pair with iOS or Windows devices by way of a 
switch on the front. 

I love my Apple keyboard but it’s hard to tell sometimes when it’s on or off.
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> On Aug 13, 2016, at 4:23 PM, Stacey Robinson <stacey...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
> Jenine,
> What type of on off switch does it have?
> I have the apple bluetooth keyboard and can’t tell when it’s off.
> Peace,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>   
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net <mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net>
>> On Aug 13, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:dragonwalke...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Alex, short of the Apple bluetooth keyboard, I use the Logitech K480. It can 
>> pair with 3 devices, which I like, and is fairly sturdy. I’ve had no issues 
>> with mine and have dropped it at least once on a tile floor. the cover 
>> doesn’t feel particularly sturdy but it’s better than it feels. The key 
>> action is awesome as well and the way the spaces between keys are covered 
>> makes it hard to get stuff down in between keys. It also has a little stand 
>> area along the back top for iPad/iPhone if not in an Otterbox case. It’s 
>> about 11.5 inches wide, 8 inches long and about half an inch thick. It takes 
>> 2 Double A batteries, which last a ridiculously long time. 
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com <mailto:dragonwalke...@gmail.com>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2016, at 7:24 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
>>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi list,
>>> I'll be going on a short trip in a couple weeks and plan to bring only my 
>>> iPhone. BSI is great, but for longer messages, I'd like to have something 
>>> better. What is a good keyboard for use with iOS that can travel well? I'm 
>>> not the biggest fan of folding keyboards, as the one I've used was cramped 
>>> and unsteady while typing. I don't want a pocket-sized one, but I do need 
>>> something that won't take up a ton of room in a backpack and that will 
>>> stand up to the rigors of travel without losing key caps or having its 
>>> internals damaged. Obviously, key placement for easy VO control is a huge 
>>> plus, but with the caps lock option in iOS9 that's not as big of a concern 
>>> as it used to be.
>>> 
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>>> Alex Hall
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Travel bluetooth keyboard recommendations?

[Jenine Stanley]

Alex, short of the Apple bluetooth keyboard, I use the Logitech K480. It can 
pair with 3 devices, which I like, and is fairly sturdy. I’ve had no issues 
with mine and have dropped it at least once on a tile floor. the cover doesn’t 
feel particularly sturdy but it’s better than it feels. The key action is 
awesome as well and the way the spaces between keys are covered makes it hard 
to get stuff down in between keys. It also has a little stand area along the 
back top for iPad/iPhone if not in an Otterbox case. It’s about 11.5 inches 
wide, 8 inches long and about half an inch thick. It takes 2 Double A 
batteries, which last a ridiculously long time. 
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



> On Aug 13, 2016, at 7:24 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi list,
> I'll be going on a short trip in a couple weeks and plan to bring only my 
> iPhone. BSI is great, but for longer messages, I'd like to have something 
> better. What is a good keyboard for use with iOS that can travel well? I'm 
> not the biggest fan of folding keyboards, as the one I've used was cramped 
> and unsteady while typing. I don't want a pocket-sized one, but I do need 
> something that won't take up a ton of room in a backpack and that will stand 
> up to the rigors of travel without losing key caps or having its internals 
> damaged. Obviously, key placement for easy VO control is a huge plus, but 
> with the caps lock option in iOS9 that's not as big of a concern as it used 
> to be.
> 
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> Have a great day,
> Alex Hall
> mehg...@icloud.com <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Two questions about Amadeus Pro

[Jenine Stanley]

Command-shift-y will do that. 
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> On Aug 12, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
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> I've just bought Amadeus Pro.  And yes, I did so through the website, not the 
> app store.
>  
> I also have bought Jonathan Mosen's audio tutorial called Amadeus Maestro, 
> which is available on the Mosen Consulting website.  Probably one of the best 
> tutorials/books I've ever! gotten from him, short of Sonosthisia, but we 
> won't cover that in this message.  Anyway...
>  
> I am super super super impressed!  I had a trial back in the days of Amadeus 
> Pro, and really liked it, but now that I really have gone through the 
> tutorial with Jonathan, I feel like I have a brand new appreciation for the 
> software.  I now just have two questions.
>  
> 1.  I know about moving my insertion point to the playhead with command+Y.  
> Is there, however a key shortcut by default that does the oppisit, moving the 
> playhead to the insertion point?
>  
> 2.  I highly doubt it, but, can Amadeus do anything at all with midi?  So, 
> let's say I have a standard either sm0, or preferably, sm1 compliant .mid 
> midi file.  Can I open/import it into Amadeus?  I get that I wouldn't have 
> all things of a full fledged sequencer, like say, a midi event editer, or a 
> note viewer, or a piano roll, etc, but could I at the very! least, get the 
> midi file into Amadeus, or would I first have to find a way to convert either 
> to a lossi or lossless format, like wave/mp3, etc.  Also if it'll somewhat, 
> though very limitedly do midi, do I have the ability with a controller to 
> record midi?  I didn't see anything, and I'm thinking this app probably 
> won't.  I think it's more for audio stuff than for midi, therefore I'm 
> probably gonna have to keep using Logic, ProTools, Garageband, Mainstage, and 
> Reaper for things like that, but! alas, I just figured I'd ask, just in case. 
>  You never know.
>  
> Chris.
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Re: Using MS Word and Excel on the Mac

[Jenine Stanley]

Thanks for this analysis. I need to try Word again on my MBP. I have Office 
360, or is that 365? I can never keep that one in my head. Anyway, I tried Word 
initially and couldn’t get the VO cursor out of the header. 

I wasn’t making any progress with Excel either an
d I use it daily for what I consider mini data bases, i.e., spreadsheets that 
are laid out as tables and that can be sorted and parsed like a database. 

I do like Outlook mail on the Mac but need to use it more often as it’s not 
exactly intuitive. 

The other thing I do is to access our network drive much like you would with 
windows Explorer, which is what I use now to do so. I just exchange files on 
that drive and draw from it current versions of my spreadsheets which are  
updated each night.  Jenine Stanley
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> On Aug 10, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Larry Thacker Jr. <larry.thacker...@gmail.com> 
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> I have recently made the switch myself.  I don’t use Excel regularly but I do 
> use Word.  The good news is that all of the familiar formatting tools and 
> tricks are available on the Mac version.  The Bad news is you may have 
> trouble figuring out how to get at them.  On the one hand Microsoft may be 
> applauded for recognizing that Mac users who are used to the way it works 
> will expect the same behavior from any program running on it.  On the other 
> hand, those of us who are used to the way it works in Windows and have 
> perhaps customized it to our way of working will have a harder time making 
> the adjustment.  What I miss most are the shortcuts I used.  The Ribbon on 
> the Mac is not quite the same and doesn’t have the same level of hotkey 
> access.  You do get some of the navigation that’s more familiar, but I have 
> had a very annoying problem with losing Voiceover focus when going from page 
> to page and especially after performing some function that required going to 
> the ribbon.  VO lands in the header region of the document and does not keep 
> your place when you get back to the body.  Maybe there is something a more 
> experienced Mac user can tell me that would help with that.  Still I find it 
> more familiar and straightforward to use than Pages, though that may be due 
> to lack of familiarity with Pages.  Having said all of that, I am still glad 
> to have left Windows behind and have no plans for going back.  Now in a 
> couple of weeks when I need to do another outline, that may test my resolve.
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2016, at 5:03 PM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I’d like to hear experiences using the current versions, Office 2016, of 
>> Word and Excel with El Capitan. I’m considering switching over to a Mac for 
>> work and those are the programs I use most often.
>> Jenine Stanley
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>> 
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Using MS Word and Excel on the Mac

[Jenine Stanley]

I’d like to hear experiences using the current versions, Office 2016, of Word 
and Excel with El Capitan. I’m considering switching over to a Mac for work and 
those are the programs I use most often.
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Re: Help with Abby fine reader

[Jenine Stanley]

That’s where I got mine also. It’s been so long ago now though that cost is 
irrelevant in my case. It was one of the first apps I purchased after switching 
over to the MacBook Pro. 
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> On Aug 8, 2016, at 4:23 PM, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
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> 
> I got my copy from the Mac App Store. That way, the serial number is embeded 
> in the app, so no activation of any kind is required. Plus, each and every 
> single app from the Mac App Store are tied to your Apple ID, just like apps 
> from the iOS app store, so the app can be installed on as many macs as you 
> like, so long as they are all signed into the same Apple ID.
>> On 8 Aug 2016, at 21:16, Trey Bradley <treyma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi guise I have a Mac how can I purchase Abby Fine Reader and how much does 
>> it cost?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 7, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, 
>>> 
>>> To install the app, yes, copy the file to your applications folder and 
>>> press command-o to open it. the app should then install itself. 
>>> 
>>> If you don’t have a scanning device plugged into your Mac, you will just 
>>> see the computer itself listed under devices. 
>>> 
>>> First 
>>> You will see an area called New
>>> Task. This will be at the far left. Your cursor and focus will land on the 
>>> Title area which should show your computer. 
>>> 
>>> Use VO-Right arrow to move to the Convert to Word button. 
>>> 
>>> Once you activate this button, you will be taken to a standard Open file 
>>> dialog where you can choose the file you want to convert. There are also 
>>> several options in this dialog for how you want that file to be processed. 
>>> 
>>> Hope that helps get you started.
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 6, 2016, at 11:25 PM, Dionipher Herrera <dionip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> copy the abby fine reader to your application folder to install it.
>>>> converting a file to word on the abby fine reader select your file then 
>>>> select word
>>>>> On 06 Aug 2016, at 23:08, denise avant <denise.av...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>> I have a copy of abby fine reader pro for the mac. I was wondering how to 
>>>>> install it. I wanted to know how to open a file, e.g. pdf, and convert it 
>>>>> to a word or text file. If anyone can give e some basic advice on how to 
>>>>> use this program, I would appreciate it. thank you.
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Re: renaming or relabeling apps on the home screen

[Jenine Stanley]

Thanks so much Anne. Interesting behavior when closing the app from App 
Switcher. 
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> On Aug 8, 2016, at 12:04 PM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hello Jenine,
> 
> Double-tap and hold with two fingers. You’ll hear a series of clangs, after 
> which you can type in a new label. Click the Done button and VoiceOver will 
> read the new name.
> Interestingly, in the App Switcher, VO will read the new name, but when you 
> close the app, it will be announced with its original name.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 8 Aug 2016, at 17:47, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I have 2 apps with the same name and want to be able to tell them apart if I 
>> list them both on the Home screen. One is the stock Apple Mail app and the 
>> other is the Voice Dream Mail app. 
>> 
>> I’m using iOS10 beta 3. Is there any way to change what VO reads as the app 
>> name? Thanks. 
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renaming or relabeling apps on the home screen

[Jenine Stanley]

I have 2 apps with the same name and want to be able to tell them apart if I 
list them both on the Home screen. One is the stock Apple Mail app and the 
other is the Voice Dream Mail app. 

I’m using iOS10 beta 3. Is there any way to change what VO reads as the app 
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question about Google Docs and iOS 9.3.4

[Jenine Stanley]

I updated my work phone, a 5S to iOS 9.3.4. 

I receved a document via email attachment and wanted to put it over in Google 
docs. This option no longer appears on my share sheets, either from email, 
DropBox or anywhere else. I can open google Docs and see the files I already 
have but can’t seem to transfer anything. 

Has anyone else experienced this? If so, were you able to fix it? 


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Re: Help with Abby fine reader

[Jenine Stanley]

Hi, 

To install the app, yes, copy the file to your applications folder and press 
command-o to open it. the app should then install itself. 

If you don’t have a scanning device plugged into your Mac, you will just see 
the computer itself listed under devices. 

First 
You will see an area called New
 Task. This will be at the far left. Your cursor and focus will land on the 
Title area which should show your computer. 

Use VO-Right arrow to move to the Convert to Word button. 

Once you activate this button, you will be taken to a standard Open file dialog 
where you can choose the file you want to convert. There are also several 
options in this dialog for how you want that file to be processed. 

Hope that helps get you started.
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



> On Aug 6, 2016, at 11:25 PM, Dionipher Herrera <dionip...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> copy the abby fine reader to your application folder to install it.
> converting a file to word on the abby fine reader select your file then 
> select word
>> On 06 Aug 2016, at 23:08, denise avant <denise.av...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> I have a copy of abby fine reader pro for the mac. I was wondering how to 
>> install it. I wanted to know how to open a file, e.g. pdf, and convert it to 
>> a word or text file. If anyone can give e some basic advice on how to use 
>> this program, I would appreciate it. thank you.
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Retrieving images from KNFB Reader

[Jenine Stanley]

Does anyone know of a way to get the image files from the KNFB Reader app? 

There is a command to view original image but I actually need to get copies of 
those original images prior to OCR and conversion. I don’t see any way to do 
this but maybe I’m missing something. Thanks.
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Re: System volume

[Jenine Stanley]

Jenine Stanley
dragonwalker64@gmail.comYou <mailto:dragonwalker64@gmail.comyou> can also use 
the VO-m command twice to bring up the menu extras. The system volume control 
should be listed there with a slider. Just keep interacting with the menu and 
you’ll get to the slider. 



> On Jun 28, 2016, at 9:03 AM, Matthew Dierckens <matt.dierck...@me.com> wrote:
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> Hello,
> There is a function key on the wired keyboard. It is in the right hand corner 
> somewhere. You can use VO K to get into keyboard help and find it.
> If Function f12 doesn’t work, or if you’re not hearing the sound of the 
> volume, you can try pressing shift f12 to hear the sound.
> God bless.
> Matthew Dierckens
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>> On Jun 28, 2016, at 08:10, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com 
>> <mailto:saqib1...@icloud.com>> wrote:
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>> Hi. How do I turn the system volume up on my Mac Mini as F12 isn’t working. 
>> I don’t have the FN key on this wired Apple keyboard. 
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Re: Adobe Flash player and Mac

[Jenine Stanley]

Well, sadly, this won’t help me as nothing will move, play or otherwise happen 
on this particular web page. I may try it on Chrome and see what happens. 
Thanks everyone for your input.
Jenine Stanley
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> On Jun 26, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Jeffrey Shockley <jawswiz...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hello,
> Yes, Flash content will play. By Interact, I mean that VoiceOver will not see 
> the buttons and stuff within Flash content like Windows screen readers do 
> because the accessibility information is not presented to Mac like it is on 
> Windows. It’s Adobe’s fault. However, lots of things are moving to HTML 5 
> now, so hopefully, before too much longer, Flash won’t really be an issue.
> Hope this helps,
> Jeffrey
>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> 
>> If I install it, will it generally play the content?  If you mean that 
>> VoiceOver won't interact with it, I hope you mean that it is as it is in 
>> windows, when using a screen reader, in that there are a lot of buttons and 
>> controls that can't be accessed, but the material will play, most of the 
>> time.  Thanks for any information.
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> - Original Message - From: "Jeffrey Shockley" <jawswiz...@gmail.com>
>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 9:37 AM
>> Subject: Re: Adobe Flash player and Mac
>> 
>> 
>> Hello,
>> You can get Flash Player for Mac by typing in get.adobe.com/flashplayer in 
>> Safari.
>> While it can be installed, VoiceOver can’t interact with Flash content sadly.
>> Hope this helps,
>> Jeffrey
>>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> I
>>> m trying to complete an on-line course that says I must have Adobe Flash 
>>> player installed and working. I’m using an iMac 2014 running El Cap. I 
>>> can’t get past this point in the course without being able to use Flash.
>>> 
>>> Other parts of the course are totally inaccessible but this flash thing is 
>>> the last straw. So, can I indeed install flash on the Mac, and if I can, 
>>> will it work with VO?
>>> 
>>> I’m beyond frustrated.
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
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Adobe Flash player and Mac

[Jenine Stanley]

All, 

I
m trying to complete an on-line course that says I must have Adobe Flash player 
installed and working. I’m using an iMac 2014 running El Cap. I can’t get past 
this point in the course without being able to use Flash. 

Other parts of the course are totally inaccessible but this flash thing is the 
last straw. So, can I indeed install flash on the Mac, and if I can, will it 
work with VO? 

I’m beyond frustrated.
Jenine Stanley
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Re: weather alerts on ipod & iphone

[Jenine Stanley]

I like the following 2 apps: 

Emergency, Red Cross 
This app allows you to set weather alerts for a number of different areas of 
family members for example and gives those alerts for a number of configurable 
categories. 

Dark Sky
This is a great app in general but also does have alerts for rain in general 
plus storms and other severe weather. 
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> On Jun 17, 2016, at 12:52 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I am looking for a recommendation as to how I can get weather alerts on my 
> ipod and iphone. I'd like the devices to bleap or something if a storm is 
> forecast for my area. Is that possible?
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Info and its movement from Mail to Google Now

[Jenine Stanley]

Excuse my ignorance here but I’m just getting into the whole Google Now thing. 

I’m taking a business trip tomorrow and have forwarded the itinerary from work 
to my Google email inbox. The flight number and hotel have been picked up by 
the Google Now app and show up on my screen when I open the app on my phone 
under Upcoming. Great. 

Now, can I move the message out of my inbox and have these things still be 
registered in Google Now? 

Color me confused. I do have my boarding =pass as an attachment also on the 
same email. Will it appear in Google Now?
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Re: renaming photos again

[Jenine Stanley]

 This is a definite keeper post. Thanks!
Jenine Stanley
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> On May 25, 2016, at 4:06 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> the photos themselves are packaged within the Photos Library, but I strongly 
> suggest that you do not change the file name as it can corrupt your Photos 
> Library database.  What you are actually doing is changing the Description or 
> title of the photo which is done in the Info window for each photo.  So, 
> first, while in Photos, go up to the View menu, under Meta-Data, and choose 
> Title.  Now, select the photo you wish to change the title of, press cmd-i to 
> Get Info, then press VO-f2-f2 to bring up the Window Chooser and choose the 
> Info window.  Change the data in the fields you wish and close the Info 
> window.  In iPhoto, there was a method by which you could batch change titles 
> and iPhoto would append a unique number after each title.  At the moment, 
> this is not an option in the Photos app.  You can change them all to the same 
> title if you wish, by doing a multiple select of the desired photos, then 
> pressing cmd-i to Get Info.  You could then change the title or description.  
> Again, they would all then have the same title or description info which may 
> or may not be what you wish.  In most cases, it is suggested that you change 
> the Description instead of the title as possessing a considerable number of 
> files with the same title isn't necessarily useful.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Later...
> 
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> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On May 25, 2016, at 13:49, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> I thought I remembered that, too, Vaughn.  thanks for helping.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On May 25, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Vaughn Brown <jazzdress...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> Let me think about this. I remember there was a way to do it on IOS.
>> Vaughn
>> 
>> On 5/25/16, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Jeanine,
>>> 
>>> I thought there was a way to do it within photos.  when I first tried this,
>>> I just ended up renaming the VO label, so that is what I want to avoid.
>>> 
>>> I just took a quick look to see if I could locate the file outside of
>>> photos, and didn't have success.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>> On May 25, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Donna,
>>>> 
>>>> Do you want to rename the file containing the photo or video, or do some
>>>> other type of renaming?
>>>> 
>>>> To rename any file, once you’ve figured out what it is of course, find the
>>>> file and go into the context menu with VO-=shift-m. Rename should be on
>>>> the list of possible actions.
>>>> 
>>>> This is how I do it on the Mac, which I’m assuming you’re talking about.
>>>> 
>>>> iOS is still a giant frustration so I rename photo and video files on the
>>>> Mac.
>>>> 
>>>> HTH
>>>> Jenine Stanley
>>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 25, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> A while back we had a discussion about renaming photos and videos.  I
>>>>> can't remember what the out come of that discussion was.  I thought
>>>>> someone had come up with a way to do this, but I've searched my sent-mail
>>>>> and my Mac folder and can't find anything.  Can anyone refresh me on how
>>>>> to do this?
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Donna
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Re: renaming photos again

[Jenine Stanley]

Oh no, sorry. I don’t use these often but have you tried tagging the photo 
file? I believe that’s under the same menu. My tagged photos and folders end up 
in the side bar after devices. 
Jenine Stanley
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> On May 25, 2016, at 2:53 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jeanine,
> 
> I thought there was a way to do it within photos.  when I first tried this, I 
> just ended up renaming the VO label, so that is what I want to avoid.
> 
> I just took a quick look to see if I could locate the file outside of photos, 
> and didn't have success.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On May 25, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Donna, 
>> 
>> Do you want to rename the file containing the photo or video, or do some 
>> other type of renaming? 
>> 
>> To rename any file, once you’ve figured out what it is of course, find the 
>> file and go into the context menu with VO-=shift-m. Rename should be on the 
>> list of possible actions. 
>> 
>> This is how I do it on the Mac, which I’m assuming you’re talking about. 
>> 
>> iOS is still a giant frustration so I rename photo and video files on the 
>> Mac. 
>> 
>> HTH
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 25, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> A while back we had a discussion about renaming photos and videos.  I can't 
>>> remember what the out come of that discussion was.  I thought someone had 
>>> come up with a way to do this, but I've searched my sent-mail and my Mac 
>>> folder and can't find anything.  Can anyone refresh me on how to do this?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
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Re: renaming photos again

[Jenine Stanley]

Donna, 

Do you want to rename the file containing the photo or video, or do some other 
type of renaming? 

To rename any file, once you’ve figured out what it is of course, find the file 
and go into the context menu with VO-=shift-m. Rename should be on the list of 
possible actions. 

This is how I do it on the Mac, which I’m assuming you’re talking about. 

iOS is still a giant frustration so I rename photo and video files on the Mac. 

HTH
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



> On May 25, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> A while back we had a discussion about renaming photos and videos.  I can't 
> remember what the out come of that discussion was.  I thought someone had 
> come up with a way to do this, but I've searched my sent-mail and my Mac 
> folder and can't find anything.  Can anyone refresh me on how to do this?
> Thanks,
> Donna
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Re: Apple Watch on Wifi.

[Jenine Stanley]

There is no such option. When setting up the Watch it derives information about 
wifi networks through your phone. If that doesn’t make sense, I can go into 
very basic details and bore you to death.  
Jenine Stanley
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> On May 25, 2016, at 4:52 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Could someone please tell me where in my watch interface I can find the wifi 
> options for connecting the watch directly to my wifi networks?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 May 2016 6:26 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Watch on Wifi.
> 
> Try forgetting and re-adding the Wi-Fi network on your iPhone.  Sometimes I 
> found that if the watch had been set up after the Wi-Fi network, then the 
> watch didn’t receive the necessary key.  Also make sure your Wi-Fi network 
> offers DHCP (almost always the case), you’re using a simple shared key 
> (almost always the case) and that you aren’t using any MAC address filtering 
> (you’ll know if you are, most likely).
> 
> You’ll know if it worked because the Settings glance says “Connected” and 
> Ping iPhone will work even if you turn Bluetooth off on your iPhone.
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Re: Apple Watch saying "no Siri connection"?

[Jenine Stanley]

Alex, 

There really isn’t a fix to my knowledge. Luckily turning it on and off usually 
works but if it really gets stuck, which has happened to me twice in a year of 
daily wear, you may have to unpair and pair it again. No big deal in terms of 
complexity but frustrating none the less.

And why is it that these things decide to get flaky right when you really need 
them and the info they’re providing?
Jenine Stanley
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> On May 24, 2016, at 9:14 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> My Apple Watch has been humming along perfectly since I got it about two 
> months ago. Then, within the last few days, it's lost its Siri connection 
> twice. Plus, today, it only received some notifications, not all that it 
> should have. Both times, turning it off and on again has fixed the problem, 
> but I can't see why this would happen out of the blue after many weeks of no 
> problems at all. Is there a better fix for this? Any troubleshooting I can 
> do? Thanks in advance.
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Re: Apple Watch on Wifi.

[Jenine Stanley]

Scott, is there anything else that needs setting when giving both networks the 
same name? Sorry if I missed that. 

Hey, I’m not quite 1 of the 1% but creeping that way. I judge not. 
Jenine Stanley
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> On May 24, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> 
> Well, you say that now but when people find out I’m one of the 1% all bets 
> are off.:)
> 
> One more point on the 2.4 verses 5G thing that’s worth mentioning since you 
> mentioned issues.  The 2.4 signal carries further and penetrates walls better 
> etc but is slower.  The 5.0 GHZ can carry well but interacts with walls and 
> things more and provides more speed do to the literal higher bandwidth.  Now 
> there’s a lot of other factors here including the type of network (N, G, AC 
> etc) and a lot of other things that probably get to technical for this list 
> but the advantage to joining both networks with different names or having 
> both assigned the same name is your device can select the best frequency for 
> the conditions.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> 
>> On May 24, 2016, at 9:39 AM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you so much for that excellent explanation. You are worth every penny 
>> they pay you for such things.
>> Jenine Stanley
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 24, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dona, SSID is a fancy word that keeps people like me employed.  It means 
>>> the network name, so if you’ve set your network name to something other 
>>> than the default NetGear or DLink you’ve changed your SSID.:)  On modern 
>>> routers you have a separate field for 2.4 and 5.0 ghz and many people do 
>>> something like my-home-network-24g and my-home-network-5g so they can 
>>> individually connect to each.  This is fine but won’t support the watch.  I 
>>> have all mine set to the same so whether you join 2.4 or 5.0 it’s the same 
>>> name and then the adapter figures out what’s best.
>>> 
>>> Make more sense?
>>> 
>>> :)
>>> 
>>> Let me know if you haven’t changed your network name and would like more 
>>> specifics.  I’m betting you have though
>>> 
>>>> On May 24, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> OK, maybe this is a dumb question, but I've never paid any attention to 
>>>> the SSID.  How do you set them up to use the same one?
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>>> On May 24, 2016, at 7:52 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>> Sorry for missunderstanding you.
>>>>> Will do that later on here.
>>>>> /A
>>>>>> 24 maj 2016 kl. 14:39 skrev Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Why not use the same SSID on 5.0 and 2.4, your phone will auto join 5.0 
>>>>>> and your watch 2.4 and things work nicely.  This is what i do at home.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 24, 2016, at 8:11 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>> Ok, so here we have the sollution.
>>>>>>> I use 5ghz wifi for my Iphone which i prefer over 2.4 ghz.
>>>>>>> So i guess i will have to use bluetooth anyway.
>>>>>>> /A
>>>>>>>> 23 maj 2016 kl. 15:32 skrev Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net>:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> So yes and no.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Yes, the watch can work over WiFi, you have to have WiFi calling 
>>>>>>>> enabled on the phone and you have to have the same SSID on 2.4 and 5.0 
>>>>>>>> GHZ.  The watch only works on a 2.4 ghz connection so if you’re 5.0 
>>>>>>>> only it won’t work.
>>>>>>>>If you can connect, yes the watch will attach to WiFi and allow 
>>>>>>>> for WiFi calling.  I don’t think the full feature set is available 
>>>>>>>> over WiFi but calling is.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hope that helps.
>>>>>>>> So
>>>>>>>>> On May 23, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se&

Re: Apple Watch on Wifi.

[Jenine Stanley]

Thank you so much for that excellent explanation. You are worth every penny 
they pay you for such things. 
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



> On May 24, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Dona, SSID is a fancy word that keeps people like me employed.  It means the 
> network name, so if you’ve set your network name to something other than the 
> default NetGear or DLink you’ve changed your SSID.:)  On modern routers you 
> have a separate field for 2.4 and 5.0 ghz and many people do something like 
> my-home-network-24g and my-home-network-5g so they can individually connect 
> to each.  This is fine but won’t support the watch.  I have all mine set to 
> the same so whether you join 2.4 or 5.0 it’s the same name and then the 
> adapter figures out what’s best.
> 
> Make more sense?
> 
> :)
> 
> Let me know if you haven’t changed your network name and would like more 
> specifics.  I’m betting you have though
> 
>> On May 24, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, maybe this is a dumb question, but I've never paid any attention to the 
>> SSID.  How do you set them up to use the same one?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On May 24, 2016, at 7:52 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Sorry for missunderstanding you.
>>> Will do that later on here.
>>> /A
 24 maj 2016 kl. 14:39 skrev Scott Granados :
 
 Why not use the same SSID on 5.0 and 2.4, your phone will auto join 5.0 
 and your watch 2.4 and things work nicely.  This is what i do at home.
 
> On May 24, 2016, at 8:11 AM, Anders Holmberg  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Ok, so here we have the sollution.
> I use 5ghz wifi for my Iphone which i prefer over 2.4 ghz.
> So i guess i will have to use bluetooth anyway.
> /A
>> 23 maj 2016 kl. 15:32 skrev Scott Granados :
>> 
>> So yes and no.
>> 
>> Yes, the watch can work over WiFi, you have to have WiFi calling enabled 
>> on the phone and you have to have the same SSID on 2.4 and 5.0 GHZ.  The 
>> watch only works on a 2.4 ghz connection so if you’re 5.0 only it won’t 
>> work.
>>  If you can connect, yes the watch will attach to WiFi and allow for 
>> WiFi calling.  I don’t think the full feature set is available over WiFi 
>> but calling is.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> So
>>> On May 23, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Anders Holmberg  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Not sure whats going on here but from what i understand its possible to 
>>> use apple watch on wifi together with the Iphone?
>>> When i turn Bluetooth off my apple watch seem to not be connected to my 
>>> Iphone.
>>> At least it tells me so.
>>> So i did a ping for the Iphone but it didn’t seem to help.
>>> This is with the Iphone SE and a 42 mm apple watch stainless steel.
>>> Both devices uses the most up to date version.
>>> Any thoughts
>>> /AA
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Re: Apple Watch on Wifi.

[Jenine Stanley]

I wasn’t aware of the 2.4 versus 5gb wifi issue. Could explain some former 
inconsistencies here at home. At work, no problems. 
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> On May 24, 2016, at 8:11 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Ok, so here we have the sollution.
> I use 5ghz wifi for my Iphone which i prefer over 2.4 ghz.
> So i guess i will have to use bluetooth anyway.
> /A
>> 23 maj 2016 kl. 15:32 skrev Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net>:
>> 
>> So yes and no.
>> 
>> Yes, the watch can work over WiFi, you have to have WiFi calling enabled on 
>> the phone and you have to have the same SSID on 2.4 and 5.0 GHZ.  The watch 
>> only works on a 2.4 ghz connection so if you’re 5.0 only it won’t work.
>>  If you can connect, yes the watch will attach to WiFi and allow for 
>> WiFi calling.  I don’t think the full feature set is available over WiFi but 
>> calling is.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> So
>>> On May 23, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Not sure whats going on here but from what i understand its possible to use 
>>> apple watch on wifi together with the Iphone?
>>> When i turn Bluetooth off my apple watch seem to not be connected to my 
>>> Iphone.
>>> At least it tells me so.
>>> So i did a ping for the Iphone but it didn’t seem to help.
>>> This is with the Iphone SE and a 42 mm apple watch stainless steel.
>>> Both devices uses the most up to date version.
>>> Any thoughts
>>> /AA
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Re: Apple Watch on Wifi.

[Jenine Stanley]

The Watch uses wifi only if it is on the same network as your phone. This way 
you can go out of bluetooth range but if you’re on the same network, you can 
still use many of the Watch features. This works for me primarily when I go to 
my main workplace from my home office. the wifi is the same throughout the 
building so things like Siri still work even if my phone is out of range.
Jenine Stanley
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> On May 23, 2016, at 6:31 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
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> I was under the impression that the Apple Watch uses Bluetooth, not wifi.
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> Subject: Apple Watch on Wifi.
> 
> 
> Hi!
> Not sure whats going on here but from what i understand its possible to use 
> apple watch on wifi together with the Iphone?
> When i turn Bluetooth off my apple watch seem to not be connected to my 
> Iphone.
> At least it tells me so.
> So i did a ping for the Iphone but it didn’t seem to help.
> This is with the Iphone SE and a 42 mm apple watch stainless steel.
> Both devices uses the most up to date version.
> Any thoughts
> /AA
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Re: battery drain on 6S

[Jenine Stanley]

Wow, I am pretty much just the opposite, using my phone for just about 
everything but a phone lately. 
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> On May 23, 2016, at 2:26 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>   Since I still view my iPhone as a phone, I do not use it heavily. Main use 
> at the moment is phone calls and text messaging. I could probably go 2-3 days 
> before the charge drops below 20%. But generally, I rarely let it go below 
> 75% in case of major storms or other natural disasters such as earthquakes so 
> I charge it at least every other night.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 5/23/2016 10:58 AM, Jenine Stanley wrote:
>> Thanks much. About how long does your battery last before getting down to, 
>> say, 10%?
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 23, 2016, at 10:05 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  I myself have auto lock set to never. I will manually lock the phone when 
>>> I am not going to use it. You also can set brightness to zero. I have most 
>>> apps set to never use data if there is no wifi.
>>> 
>>>  This article may provide more ideas.
>>> 
>>> <http://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/iphone/iphone-ipad-battery-life-ios-9-battery-saving-tips-2016-3513323/>
>>> 
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>>> Many believe that we have been visited
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>>> 
>>> On 5/23/2016 6:33 AM, Jenine Stanley wrote:
>>>> Thanks much. those are things I’ve tried, including the home/power button 
>>>> reset.
>>>> 
>>>> I think I’ve found the culprit. I had my auto lock set to “never”. This 
>>>> sucks one’s battery dry. Setting it back to 5 minutes does help 
>>>> significantly.
>>>> 
>>>> I had it set for “never” because I was taking notes during a day-long 
>>>> meeting and didn’t want to have to keep unlocking my phone.
>>>> 
>>>> My other question though is how to remove things from the lock screen. 
>>>> I’ve got a lot of stuff on there I don’t really want or need and it does 
>>>> drain battery.
>>>> 
>>>> Then to tackle the data issue.
>>>> Jenine Stanley
>>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 23, 2016, at 9:19 AM, sadam ahmed <sadam.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Jenine,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Have you tried clearing out the app switcher?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sometimes that can cause problems.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You might also  want to consider a fresh restore just to be sure it's not 
>>>>> software related.
>>>>> 
>>>>> After that if you're still experiencing issues a trip to the Apple Store 
>>>>> is in order.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sadam Ahmed
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 23/05/2016 9:55 PM, Jenine Stanley wrote:
>>>>>> I think I recall someone else having this issue recently but for some 
>>>>>> reason my phone battery is draining at what I think is an alarming rate. 
>>>>>> I’m also using data at an alarming rate. I’m checking the settings and 
>>>>>> have the wifi mode turned off that uses data when there’s a weak celular 
>>>>>> signal.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Not sure what’s causing the huge battery drain though. I’m going into 
>>>>>> the battery settings to see how much each app is using but that doesn’t 
>>>>>> seem to match the drain I’m experiencing.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>> Jenine Stanley
>>>>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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Re: battery drain on 6S

[Jenine Stanley]

Thanks much. About how long does your battery last before getting down to, say, 
10%? 
Jenine Stanley
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> On May 23, 2016, at 10:05 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>   I myself have auto lock set to never. I will manually lock the phone when I 
> am not going to use it. You also can set brightness to zero. I have most apps 
> set to never use data if there is no wifi.
> 
>   This article may provide more ideas.
> 
> <http://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/iphone/iphone-ipad-battery-life-ios-9-battery-saving-tips-2016-3513323/>
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 5/23/2016 6:33 AM, Jenine Stanley wrote:
>> Thanks much. those are things I’ve tried, including the home/power button 
>> reset.
>> 
>> I think I’ve found the culprit. I had my auto lock set to “never”. This 
>> sucks one’s battery dry. Setting it back to 5 minutes does help 
>> significantly.
>> 
>> I had it set for “never” because I was taking notes during a day-long 
>> meeting and didn’t want to have to keep unlocking my phone.
>> 
>> My other question though is how to remove things from the lock screen. I’ve 
>> got a lot of stuff on there I don’t really want or need and it does drain 
>> battery.
>> 
>> Then to tackle the data issue.
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 23, 2016, at 9:19 AM, sadam ahmed <sadam.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Jenine,
>>> 
>>> Have you tried clearing out the app switcher?
>>> 
>>> Sometimes that can cause problems.
>>> 
>>> You might also  want to consider a fresh restore just to be sure it's not 
>>> software related.
>>> 
>>> After that if you're still experiencing issues a trip to the Apple Store is 
>>> in order.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> Sadam Ahmed
>>> 
>>> On 23/05/2016 9:55 PM, Jenine Stanley wrote:
>>>> I think I recall someone else having this issue recently but for some 
>>>> reason my phone battery is draining at what I think is an alarming rate. 
>>>> I’m also using data at an alarming rate. I’m checking the settings and 
>>>> have the wifi mode turned off that uses data when there’s a weak celular 
>>>> signal.
>>>> 
>>>> Not sure what’s causing the huge battery drain though. I’m going into the 
>>>> battery settings to see how much each app is using but that doesn’t seem 
>>>> to match the drain I’m experiencing.
>>>> 
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>> Jenine Stanley
>>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: battery drain on 6S

[Jenine Stanley]

Thanks much. those are things I’ve tried, including the home/power button 
reset. 

I think I’ve found the culprit. I had my auto lock set to “never”. This sucks 
one’s battery dry. Setting it back to 5 minutes does help significantly. 

I had it set for “never” because I was taking notes during a day-long meeting 
and didn’t want to have to keep unlocking my phone. 

My other question though is how to remove things from the lock screen. I’ve got 
a lot of stuff on there I don’t really want or need and it does drain battery. 

Then to tackle the data issue. 
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



> On May 23, 2016, at 9:19 AM, sadam ahmed <sadam.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jenine,
> 
> Have you tried clearing out the app switcher?
> 
> Sometimes that can cause problems.
> 
> You might also  want to consider a fresh restore just to be sure it's not 
> software related.
> 
> After that if you're still experiencing issues a trip to the Apple Store is 
> in order.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Sadam Ahmed
> 
> On 23/05/2016 9:55 PM, Jenine Stanley wrote:
>> I think I recall someone else having this issue recently but for some reason 
>> my phone battery is draining at what I think is an alarming rate. I’m also 
>> using data at an alarming rate. I’m checking the settings and have the wifi 
>> mode turned off that uses data when there’s a weak celular signal.
>> 
>> Not sure what’s causing the huge battery drain though. I’m going into the 
>> battery settings to see how much each app is using but that doesn’t seem to 
>> match the drain I’m experiencing.
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
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battery drain on 6S

[Jenine Stanley]

I think I recall someone else having this issue recently but for some reason my 
phone battery is draining at what I think is an alarming rate. I’m also using 
data at an alarming rate. I’m checking the settings and have the wifi mode 
turned off that uses data when there’s a weak celular signal.  

Not sure what’s causing the huge battery drain though. I’m going into the 
battery settings to see how much each app is using but that doesn’t seem to 
match the drain I’m experiencing. 

Thoughts?
Jenine Stanley
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Re: Saving to Suvfolders

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You should be able to select Documents from the sidebar then move to the scroll 
area and move to the folder you want and open it with command O. Once it’s 
open, stop interacting and do a Home (function) VO-right arrow to go to the 
Save button. 

that should work.
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> John
> 
> I seem not be able to get into the browser. I can only seem to do is select 
> “Documents” from the Sidebar. I even have columns selected in the Browser.
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Re: adding a mailbox to favorites with yosemite

[Jenine Stanley]

Did you try VO-shift-F3 to toggle cursor tracking to off? It didn’t make much 
of a difference when I did this butit does supposedly solve the issue.
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> On May 10, 2016, at 9:52 AM, Jim Gatteys <jgatt...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Ialso tried vo-command-f5 to move and announce the position of the mouse.  It 
> does not seem to be routing the mouse when I do that command.  Any ideas?
> 
>> On May 10, 2016, at 8:29 AM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Did you try moving with the arrow keys to change the position of the mailbox 
>> in the favorites list? I found when doing so that if I was to the left of 
>> the In Box, it wouldn’t drop the item.
>> Jenine Stanley
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>> 
>> 
>> 
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>>> 
>>> Hi all!
>>> Previously I've been able to add mailboxes to the favorites bar in mac mail 
>>> using the standard drag and drop commands.  I just tried it again to add an 
>>> additional mailbox to the favorites bar and now it says can't drop item.  I 
>>> was using command-comma to mark and command-period to drop.  Any 
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Re: adding a mailbox to favorites with yosemite

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Did you try moving with the arrow keys to change the position of the mailbox in 
the favorites list? I found when doing so that if I was to the left of the In 
Box, it wouldn’t drop the item.
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> Hi all!
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Re: Slack on iOS and Watch OS

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I saw how Slack allowed reading Direct messages and mentions but not general 
list messages. 

The focus issue drove me away from the iOS version.
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> On May 5, 2016, at 8:14 PM, Kevin Chao <kevincha...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I've used Slack on Watch and iOS?
> Watch is allows reading mentions and messages with VoiceOver
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> interested in Watch OS as I’ve seen the VO focus issues on iOS. Would love to 
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Slack on iOS and Watch OS

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Is anyone successfully using Slack on iOS or Watch OS? I’m particularly 
interested in Watch OS as I’ve seen the VO focus issues on iOS. Would love to 
understand the app more and propose it for some work projects.
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Re: How Do You Use iOS?

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Donna, Third eye is fairly new and doesn’t recognize as many things as TapTap 
See. Also, TapTap See can recognize pictures on your camera roll. 
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> On May 4, 2016, at 8:55 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Just curious, why would one want to have both Tap Tap See and Third Eye?  Is 
> there something that one does that the other doesn't?
> Thanks,
> Donna
>> On May 4, 2016, at 7:53 AM, Christine Grassman <cgrassman1...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> “Read this” recognizes and reads the label, such as nutrition facts. 
>> “Recognize this” simply identifies the object, such as “glass” or “door”. At 
>> least that is what I have discovered with minimal use; I downloaded it only 
>> yesterday. 
>> Christine
>> 
>>> On May 4, 2016, at 8:50 AM, Jessica Moss <junglebookfa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ok, with the third eye app, what’s the difference between the recognize 
>>> this, and the read this, options?  This is probably a dumb question, but 
>>> either way, it takes a pic of the image and reads it.
>>>> On May 3, 2016, at 7:47 AM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have way too many apps on my phone right now but the ones I use most 
>>>> are: 
>>>> 
>>>> Just Press Record
>>>> Due (appointment and reminder app)
>>>> Carrot Weather
>>>> Moovit (transit app)
>>>> Transit times 
>>>> Overcast (podcast listening app)
>>>> FaceBook and Twitter for social networking
>>>> Roger (walky-talky app) 
>>>> Hound and Google Now (search apps)
>>>> Bacon Reader (for managing Reddit and sub-reddit threads)
>>>> HBO Now (strictly for Game of Thrones)TapTap See, KNFB Reader and Third 
>>>> Eye for product identification
>>>> 
>>>> Light detector 
>>>> 
>>>> Those are the most often used ones in no particular order.
>>>> Jenine Stanley
>>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 3, 2016, at 6:54 AM, Angie Nutt <an...@comproom.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi
>>>>> 
>>>>> The apps I use at the moment are:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kindle, one of my favourites; KNFB Reader occasionally; Tweetings for 
>>>>> Twitter; Facebook; a couple of TV related apps called Sky+ and Sky Q; 
>>>>> Notes, often for jotting down grocery lists; Reminders, almost daily; 
>>>>> Calendar; Mail, though more for reading than writing; Access Note, mainly 
>>>>> for writing down my dreams, then sink thee notes to Dropbox, so there’s 
>>>>> another one slipped in there :) and Safari, probably my most used app; 
>>>>> and how could I forget: Music.
>>>>> 
>>>>> All the best
>>>>> Angie
>>>>>> On 30 Apr 2016, at 08:35, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I just want to thank you all for contributing to this thread.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Honestly, I cannot stop smiling when I read your lists of apps and 
>>>>>> discover all of the various ways you use them.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> To those who have not yet posted, please remember that you do not need 
>>>>>> to list only apps that have not yet been mentioned; just list the apps 
>>>>>> that you use and how you use them if they are not self-explanatory.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Personally, I am making a list of all of the marvelous apps you have 
>>>>>> brought to my attention that I have not yet explored.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From the bottom of my heart, I thank you and, let’s keep ‘em coming.  
>>>>>> (Big, Big, Smile).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 3:46 PM
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: How Do You Use iOS?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Mark, cool thread here’s my response to add to the others.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1. Good Mail for Enterprise, it’s a secure mail clien

Re: How Do You Use iOS?

[Jenine Stanley]

The other nice part about the Watch app is that you can review the most recent 
recordings via the Watch so if you recorded a phone number or appointment, you 
don’t have to dig into your iCloud drive to find it.
Jenine Stanley
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> On May 4, 2016, at 5:59 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> HI Donna,
> 
> It's great, it runs from my watch so I can start it and finish it on the 
> watch and the recording is saved directly to iCloud drive for you to call on 
> when it's needed.
> 
> I find it's great quality recording and it works both on the phone and the 
> watch, and the recording can be longer than what I've been able to get voice 
> recorder to take 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Wednesday, 4 May 2016 12:08 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How Do You Use iOS?
> 
> Hi Jeanine,
> 
> Just curious, what is it that you like about Just Press Record as opposed to 
> say the built-in Voice Memos app?  I'm just wondering.  People have talked 
> about that app before, but I've never understood what it's advantages are.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On May 3, 2016, at 6:47 AM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I have way too many apps on my phone right now but the ones I use most are: 
>> 
>> Just Press Record
>> Due (appointment and reminder app)
>> Carrot Weather
>> Moovit (transit app)
>> Transit times
>> Overcast (podcast listening app)
>> FaceBook and Twitter for social networking Roger (walky-talky app) 
>> Hound and Google Now (search apps) Bacon Reader (for managing Reddit 
>> and sub-reddit threads) HBO Now (strictly for Game of Thrones)TapTap 
>> See, KNFB Reader and Third Eye for product identification
>> 
>> Light detector
>> 
>> Those are the most often used ones in no particular order.
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 3, 2016, at 6:54 AM, Angie Nutt <an...@comproom.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> The apps I use at the moment are:
>>> 
>>> Kindle, one of my favourites; KNFB Reader occasionally; Tweetings for 
>>> Twitter; Facebook; a couple of TV related apps called Sky+ and Sky Q; 
>>> Notes, often for jotting down grocery lists; Reminders, almost daily; 
>>> Calendar; Mail, though more for reading than writing; Access Note, mainly 
>>> for writing down my dreams, then sink thee notes to Dropbox, so there’s 
>>> another one slipped in there :) and Safari, probably my most used app; and 
>>> how could I forget: Music.
>>> 
>>> All the best
>>> Angie
>>>> On 30 Apr 2016, at 08:35, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I just want to thank you all for contributing to this thread.  
>>>> 
>>>> Honestly, I cannot stop smiling when I read your lists of apps and 
>>>> discover all of the various ways you use them.
>>>> 
>>>> To those who have not yet posted, please remember that you do not need to 
>>>> list only apps that have not yet been mentioned; just list the apps that 
>>>> you use and how you use them if they are not self-explanatory.  
>>>> 
>>>> Personally, I am making a list of all of the marvelous apps you have 
>>>> brought to my attention that I have not yet explored.
>>>> 
>>>> From the bottom of my heart, I thank you and, let’s keep ‘em coming.  
>>>> (Big, Big, Smile).
>>>> 
>>>> Mark
>>>> 
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 3:46 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: How Do You Use iOS?
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Mark, cool thread here’s my response to add to the others.
>>>> 
>>>> 1. Good Mail for Enterprise, it’s a secure mail client owned by RIM now 
>>>> that I use to access my work email.  Since it’s a secure network we need 
>>>> to use a client like this to access exchange.
>>>> 
>>>> 2. iMessage, I use the native messaging app as well as the Mac app to work 
>>>> with engineers in the field or other coworkers.  It’s great for me as I 
>>>> can respond on any device so it makes working very simple if I can cut and 
>>>> paste to the 

Re: Transfering apps to Apple Watch.

[Jenine Stanley]

It’s still the case. Ifg an app has a Watch app component, it will appear on 
your Watch shortly after being downloaded to your phone.
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



> On May 3, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Sadam Ahmed <sadam.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Is there way to have newly purchased apps on iPhone automatically appear on 
> the Watch.
> 
> In Watch OS 1.1 this was the case.
> 
> Thanks for any insight.
> 
> Yours sincerely,
> 
> Sadam Ahmed
> 
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Re: How Do You Use iOS?

[Jenine Stanley]

Donna, 

The Watch app is indeed amazing and is my lower right complication on my Watch 
face. The quality is quite good as well on both Watch and phone. 

I like the Phone app because it records in an uncompressed format, mpeg4.  You 
can change the names of the files and set up folders, etc. 

I was never a big user of the Voice Memos app and I’m sure it can do the same 
things but there is that Watch app. 
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



> On May 3, 2016, at 8:08 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jeanine,
> 
> Just curious, what is it that you like about Just Press Record as opposed to 
> say the built-in Voice Memos app?  I'm just wondering.  People have talked 
> about that app before, but I've never understood what it's advantages are.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On May 3, 2016, at 6:47 AM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I have way too many apps on my phone right now but the ones I use most are: 
>> 
>> Just Press Record
>> Due (appointment and reminder app)
>> Carrot Weather
>> Moovit (transit app)
>> Transit times 
>> Overcast (podcast listening app)
>> FaceBook and Twitter for social networking
>> Roger (walky-talky app) 
>> Hound and Google Now (search apps)
>> Bacon Reader (for managing Reddit and sub-reddit threads)
>> HBO Now (strictly for Game of Thrones)TapTap See, KNFB Reader and Third Eye 
>> for product identification
>> 
>> Light detector 
>> 
>> Those are the most often used ones in no particular order.
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 3, 2016, at 6:54 AM, Angie Nutt <an...@comproom.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> The apps I use at the moment are:
>>> 
>>> Kindle, one of my favourites; KNFB Reader occasionally; Tweetings for 
>>> Twitter; Facebook; a couple of TV related apps called Sky+ and Sky Q; 
>>> Notes, often for jotting down grocery lists; Reminders, almost daily; 
>>> Calendar; Mail, though more for reading than writing; Access Note, mainly 
>>> for writing down my dreams, then sink thee notes to Dropbox, so there’s 
>>> another one slipped in there :) and Safari, probably my most used app; and 
>>> how could I forget: Music.
>>> 
>>> All the best
>>> Angie
>>>> On 30 Apr 2016, at 08:35, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I just want to thank you all for contributing to this thread.  
>>>> 
>>>> Honestly, I cannot stop smiling when I read your lists of apps and 
>>>> discover all of the various ways you use them.
>>>> 
>>>> To those who have not yet posted, please remember that you do not need to 
>>>> list only apps that have not yet been mentioned; just list the apps that 
>>>> you use and how you use them if they are not self-explanatory.  
>>>> 
>>>> Personally, I am making a list of all of the marvelous apps you have 
>>>> brought to my attention that I have not yet explored.
>>>> 
>>>> From the bottom of my heart, I thank you and, let’s keep ‘em coming.  
>>>> (Big, Big, Smile).
>>>> 
>>>> Mark
>>>> 
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 3:46 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: How Do You Use iOS?
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Mark, cool thread here’s my response to add to the others.
>>>> 
>>>> 1. Good Mail for Enterprise, it’s a secure mail client owned by RIM now 
>>>> that I use to access my work email.  Since it’s a secure network we need 
>>>> to use a client like this to access exchange.
>>>> 
>>>> 2. iMessage, I use the native messaging app as well as the Mac app to work 
>>>> with engineers in the field or other coworkers.  It’s great for me as I 
>>>> can respond on any device so it makes working very simple if I can cut and 
>>>> paste to the same conversation on my laptop and pick it up on the phone.
>>>> 
>>>> 3. CNBC, I use the watch lists and also love the automatic notifications 
>>>> so I get my important breaking financial news.
>>>> 
>>>> 4. Ootunes / i heart radio / radio.com / tune in pro/ XM sirius, these are 
>>>> the streaming music / media apps I use.  I like the XM because it syncs 
>>>> with my car, the 

Re: How Do You Use iOS?

[Jenine Stanley]

I have way too many apps on my phone right now but the ones I use most are: 

Just Press Record
Due (appointment and reminder app)
Carrot Weather
Moovit (transit app)
Transit times 
Overcast (podcast listening app)
FaceBook and Twitter for social networking
Roger (walky-talky app) 
Hound and Google Now (search apps)
Bacon Reader (for managing Reddit and sub-reddit threads)
HBO Now (strictly for Game of Thrones)TapTap See, KNFB Reader and Third Eye for 
product identification

Light detector 

Those are the most often used ones in no particular order.
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



> On May 3, 2016, at 6:54 AM, Angie Nutt <an...@comproom.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> The apps I use at the moment are:
> 
> Kindle, one of my favourites; KNFB Reader occasionally; Tweetings for 
> Twitter; Facebook; a couple of TV related apps called Sky+ and Sky Q; Notes, 
> often for jotting down grocery lists; Reminders, almost daily; Calendar; 
> Mail, though more for reading than writing; Access Note, mainly for writing 
> down my dreams, then sink thee notes to Dropbox, so there’s another one 
> slipped in there :) and Safari, probably my most used app; and how could I 
> forget: Music.
> 
> All the best
> Angie
>> On 30 Apr 2016, at 08:35, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> I just want to thank you all for contributing to this thread.  
>> 
>> Honestly, I cannot stop smiling when I read your lists of apps and discover 
>> all of the various ways you use them.
>> 
>> To those who have not yet posted, please remember that you do not need to 
>> list only apps that have not yet been mentioned; just list the apps that you 
>> use and how you use them if they are not self-explanatory.  
>> 
>> Personally, I am making a list of all of the marvelous apps you have brought 
>> to my attention that I have not yet explored.
>> 
>> From the bottom of my heart, I thank you and, let’s keep ‘em coming.  (Big, 
>> Big, Smile).
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 3:46 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: How Do You Use iOS?
>> 
>> Hi Mark, cool thread here’s my response to add to the others.
>> 
>> 1. Good Mail for Enterprise, it’s a secure mail client owned by RIM now that 
>> I use to access my work email.  Since it’s a secure network we need to use a 
>> client like this to access exchange.
>> 
>> 2. iMessage, I use the native messaging app as well as the Mac app to work 
>> with engineers in the field or other coworkers.  It’s great for me as I can 
>> respond on any device so it makes working very simple if I can cut and paste 
>> to the same conversation on my laptop and pick it up on the phone.
>> 
>> 3. CNBC, I use the watch lists and also love the automatic notifications so 
>> I get my important breaking financial news.
>> 
>> 4. Ootunes / i heart radio / radio.com / tune in pro/ XM sirius, these are 
>> the streaming music / media apps I use.  I like the XM because it syncs with 
>> my car, the other apps are just good over the air aggregators.
>> 
>> 5. WhatsApp: secure messaging that’s encrypted end to end.  Migrating to 
>> this away from other apps for security reasons.
>> 
>> 6. Bria soft phone, allows me to connect to my PBX, enables me to encrypt 
>> both the payload and signaling for my calls and has very good features that 
>> are totally accessible.  Also supports video.
>> 
>> 7. Open VPN: allows me to connect to my own Open VPN server from my phone so 
>> when on public WiFi or other open environments I can encrypt my 
>> communications.  Supports very long keys and SHA-512 hashing firewall 
>> feature so very secure, especially good for traveling internationally
>> 
>> 8. Apple Pay: love it, use it with my phone and watch.  B of A is also 
>> introducing card free ATM machines that you use your phone to authenticate.
>> 
>> 9. Bank of America App: basic banking app
>> 
>> 10. RSA Security:  Allows me to authenticate at work.  Use pin + RSA back 
>> end to produce a code I enter when logging in that changes every 60 seconds.
>> 
>> 11. GPGtools:  Allows me to encrypt and decrypt emails securely.
>> 
>> 12. IMAP weather Radio for weather alerts.
>> 
>> And as mentioned your good ol Major League Baseball app to listen to the San 
>> Francisco Giants or if anyone asks up here the Red Socks.:)
>> 
>> Other than that I like the included apps like the stocks app, music, video, 
>> and c

Re: Battery on an iPhone 6s

[Jenine Stanley]

I’d love to see any responses to this, Mary as I’m finding the same thing on my 
6S. I rarely make it through 8 hours without getting down to 18%or so. 
Jenine Stanley
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> On May 2, 2016, at 6:22 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> It seems to me that the battery life on my iPhone 6s is not anything close to 
> what it was when I got this phone towards the end of last year. Of course, 
> memory overtime is subjective, and I am a heavy user of the phone. I saw a 
> recently a post somewhere the talked about being able to check the battery 
> cycles on your Mac. And the person who wrote the article said that he was 
> pleasantly surprised to see that his Mac still had lots of battery cycles 
> left. Is there anyway to do that with the phone? I bought my phone through my 
> carrier. And I suspect that if I go there and say that my battery life is not 
> like it used to be, they are going to say something like prove it. And I 
> can't. Any advice?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: status of download

[Jenine Stanley]

Thanks Andrew, I didn’t know about folder actions.
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> On May 2, 2016, at 6:03 AM, Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Jenine,
> 
> This is a bit fiddly.  In Safari, interact with the toolbar and find the 
> "downloads' button.  Activate it and find the table of downloads. interact 
> again and you will be able to move through the downloads.  Interact with the 
> row that you are interested in and you should find the info on the progress 
> there.  That's the only way I have found to ascertain the progress.
> 
> Another way I deal with it is by enabling folder actions on my downloads 
> folder so that when a download finishes, I'm notified of it by a dialog.  To 
> enable folder functions, find the downloads folder in your home folder, go to 
> contextual menu with vo+shift+m and go down to the "services" item. Expand 
> the item with right arrow key, and the first item in this submenu is "enable 
> folder actions".  Activate it and you will be able to decide how you want 
> your folder actions to work.
> 
> Hope this will help.
> 
> Andrew
>> On 1 May 2016, at 14:29, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Could someone refresh me on how to hear the status of a download from 
>> Safari? Thanks.
>> Jenine Stanley
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Re: status of download

[Jenine Stanley]

Much thanks. 

I do it rarely but when there’s a large download, it’s hugely helpful. Now your 
tip goes into my Tips folder. 
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> On May 1, 2016, at 9:31 AM, Carter Temm <crtbrai...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Command option l in the Safari window, then interact with the table, and 
> interact with the file you want to hear progress
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On May 1, 2016, at 8:29 AM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Could someone refresh me on how to hear the status of a download from 
>> Safari? Thanks.
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
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