GMail in Apple Mail?

[John JD Denning]

I recently added a gmail account to Mail. I keep telling it to save  
the password. I check the little box, and next time I launch Mail it  
asks for the password again.

Anyone know why Gmail in Mail is having such a hard time. My other  
email accounts, both POP and IMAP don't have any problem retaining the  
password.

 - JD -
John Denning
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AIM: denni...@me.com
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Re: GMail in Apple Mail?

[John JD Denning]

I tend to think it is a gmail problem. Else I'd see it in other  
accounts.

On Aug 18, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Thomas McMahan wrote:

> As to why the problem is, I don't know, mine doesn't do it on a  
> regular basis, but every once in a while it will want a password  
> from one of the gmail acounts.  Starting to wonder if it's a gmail  
> issue verses an Apple mail issue.


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Re: GMail in Apple Mail?

[John JD Denning]

It is ImAP.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 18, 2009, at 10:41, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

> You did not indicate if this was POP or IMAP that was experienceing  
> the issue.  For POP, I know that if the POP server gives any error  
> during login, then Apple mail will pop up the password message, even  
> if the error is "Sorry you are logged into the server somewhere  
> else".  I suggest you ignore the error message, but then your  
> mailbox will go off line. Just wait about 1/2 hour and then bring it  
> on line and see if you get the message again.  You might want to try  
> the connection doctor to see what is going on. I would suggest the  
> activity monitor in mail windows sub-menu, but I don't think I have  
> been able to track updates in that window very well.
>
> Jon
>
> On Aug 18, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Thomas McMahan wrote:
>
>> As to why the problem is, I don't know, mine doesn't do it on a  
>> regular basis, but every once in a while it will want a password  
>> from one of the gmail acounts.  Starting to wonder if it's a gmail  
>> issue verses an Apple mail issue.
>>
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2009, at 7:27 AM, John JD Denning wrote:
>>
>>> I recently added a gmail account to Mail. I keep telling it to  
>>> save the password. I check the little box, and next time I launch  
>>> Mail it asks for the password again.
>>>
>>> Anyone know why Gmail in Mail is having such a hard time. My other  
>>> email accounts, both POP and IMAP don't have any problem retaining  
>>> the password.
>>>
>>> - JD -
>>> John Denning
>>> Facebook: www.facebook.com/jdiver
>>> AIM: denni...@me.com
>>> A+ MCSA MCSE ITILv3
>>> And glad to be a Mac snob again!
>>> Roswell, GA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: GMail in Apple Mail?

[John JD Denning]

Thanks that makes sens. I will check it out.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 19, 2009, at 5:00, Kieren  wrote:

>
> This issue is usually caused by having more than 1 password for the
> given server saved in your keychain
> so say there are 2 passwords for pop.gmail.com Mail will take the
> first and ignore all following ones.
> if the first is wrong then you will be prompted for the password each
> time it wants to access the account.
>
> You can easily rectify this in Applications -> Utilities ->  Keychain
> Access   by searching for say gmail and see how many items show up
> with the same account.
> you can view the saved passwords for each item and delete the
> incorrect one, leaving 1 correct one.
> alternatively delete all pop/imap/smtp items for that server and
> startup mail and enter the correct ones there.
>
> HTH
>
> Kieren
>
> On Aug 18, 11:49 pm, John JD Denning  wrote:
>> It is ImAP.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2009, at 10:41, Jonathan Cohn   
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> You did not indicate if this was POP or IMAP that was experienceing
>>> the issue.  For POP, I know that if the POP server gives any error
>>> during login, then Apple mail will pop up the password message, even
>>> if the error is "Sorry you are logged into the server somewhere
>>> else".  I suggest you ignore the error message, but then your
>>> mailbox will go off line. Just wait about 1/2 hour and then bring it
>>> on line and see if you get the message again.  You might want to try
>>> the connection doctor to see what is going on. I would suggest the
>>> activity monitor in mail windows sub-menu, but I don't think I have
>>> been able to track updates in that window very well.
>>
>>> Jon
>>
>>> On Aug 18, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Thomas McMahan wrote:
>>
>>>> As to why the problem is, I don't know, mine doesn't do it on a
>>>> regular basis, but every once in a while it will want a password
>>>> from one of the gmail acounts.  Starting to wonder if it's a gmail
>>>> issue verses an Apple mail issue.
>>
>>>> On Aug 18, 2009, at 7:27 AM, John JD Denning wrote:
>>
>>>>> I recently added a gmail account to Mail. I keep telling it to
>>>>> save the password. I check the little box, and next time I launch
>>>>> Mail it asks for the password again.
>>
>>>>> Anyone know why Gmail in Mail is having such a hard time. My other
>>>>> email accounts, both POP and IMAP don't have any problem retaining
>>>>> the password.
>>
>>>>> - JD -
>>>>> John Denning
>>>>> Facebook:www.facebook.com/jdiver
>>>>> AIM: denni...@me.com
>>>>> A+ MCSA MCSE ITILv3
>>>>> And glad to be a Mac snob again!
>>>>> Roswell, GA
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Re: GMail in Apple Mail?

[John JD Denning]

I checked my keychain even searched for both gmail, and google. Don't  
find any gmail entry. Also searched for my gmail address.

I may just archive that keychain and create a clean one. There is some  
really old garbage in there.

On Aug 19, 2009, at 5:00 AM, Kieren wrote:

> This issue is usually caused by having more than 1 password for the
> given server saved in your keychain
> so say there are 2 passwords for pop.gmail.com Mail will take the
> first and ignore all following ones.
> if the first is wrong then you will be prompted for the password each
> time it wants to access the account.


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Re: Not seeing any of my gmail fioklders in mail.

[John JD Denning]

Interesting, I have the reverse. I see folders I didn't create and  
would rather not have. I just created my gmail account recently. I'm  
used to IMAP with my mobileme acct and Outlook at work. But Gmail  
seems to have a mind of it's own.

I have two folders that I can see, nothing new shows in them until I  
select them, then they populate. Things get sent to the SPAM folder  
and there is no rime or reason, and no filter that I can find doing it.

I post to this list, it doesn't show up in the list mailbox I have. It  
does show up in All Mail, and sent. OK I see why it shows up in sent,  
but it should also show as an incoming email on the group.

Guess I have to read more of the help files, is there one titled,  
"black art of Gmail."

On Aug 26, 2009, at 8:07 AM, matthew dyer wrote:

>
> Good morning all,  I went and created folders as well as filteras for
> some of the messages I am getting.  The problem is that in mail I do
> not see them in the mail boxes tabole.  If I go to move a message to
> one of thoughes mail boxes they show up but not in the mailboxes
> table.  Is there anything I need to do in mail tio fix this>?  Thanks.
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
> -- 
> You can lead a heart to love, but you can't make it fall.
>
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Re: Not seeing any of my gmail fioklders in mail.

[John JD Denning]

Yes Jon, IMAP. appreciate your mini tutorial. I'll explore it. In my  
folder list (Mac Mail) I have the Gmail account, and under that is  
"Gmail" it has folders under it. But then at the same lever as Gmail I  
have more folders 2 I created one for this list and one for VIPHONE  
list.


On Aug 26, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

> Are you talking about Gmail mail labels? I assume you are using  
> iMap...


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Re: Stanza EBook reader

[John JD Denning]

Some of you are saying it's usable. I can't get it to move to another  
page. Buttons are not labeled, not a big problem. I can get to the  
contents, select a section. Read one paragraph or part of a paragraph  
at a time. And even then it chops words and will skip some words,  
especially anything in quotes. But then I can't move to the next page  
of a section.

That was a waste of $5 unless someone here has a tip. But if you have  
to jump through hoops to gain partial functionality then I'd have to  
say it isn't accessible.

On Aug 27, 2009, at 6:45 AM, Esther wrote:

>
> Hello Dotty,
>
> This isn't Sarah, but you can get the latest iPhone manual in at least
> two ways.  I posted to the macvisionaries list about 3 weeks ago that
> there were versions of some of the O'Reilly manuals being sold as
> iPhone apps:
> There's a version of Pogue's "iPhone: The Missing Manual, Third
> Edition" that cover the iPhone 3GS available as an iPhone app for  
> $4.99:
> http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=324601015&mt=8
> There's a version of "Switching to the Mac: The Missing Manual,
> Leopard edition" from O'Reilly Media, Inc. that's available as an
> iPhone app for $4.99:
> http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=325837189&mt=8
> There are a few other books, but I don't know whether these are
> accessible with VO on the iPhone 3GS, since I don't have an iPhone.
> However you could try the free version "iPhone: The Missing Manual
> Lite" to check whether you can read that:
>
> http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=324686471&mt=8
>
> Then you could upgrade to the full paid version of Pogue's book if you
> found it worthwhile.
>
> You can also get these books from O'Reilly as DRM-free ePub bundles.
> This includes PDF and ePub formats. If you go to http://oreilly.com/ebooks/
>  (or Google O'Reilly ebook bundles) you can create an
> account, and then search for books, like "iPhone missing manual" in
> the search field, then find the link for the third edition:
>
> http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596804299/
>
> Under Buying Options, arrow down to the Ebook  format (Mobi, PDF,
> ePub) and press the Add to Cart button.
>
> On the web page for your shopping cart, enter the coupon code:  
> STANZACAT
> O'Reilly ebook purchases through Stanza on the iPhone qualify for a
> 40% discount (for an unspecified period). Press the button to either
> continue shopping or proceed to checkout. On the checkout page you
> should see the discount applied to the order summary  before you
> complete your check out.  Under "Order Summary" there will be a note
> like "You saved $8.00 on this order" (e.g. in the case of the latest
> iPhone Missing Manual Book  -- which is $12.00 for the ebook bundle
> with the discount).
>
> You access the files by logging into your account on the O'Reilly
> pages, and choosing the link for "Electronic Media", then download the
> format you want for each purchased book.  I've tried PDF, which reads
> fine in Preview or Skim on the Mac, and ePub, which also works in the
> Stanza desktop reader that you can download from Lexcycle's pages.
>
> I've found that the Stanza desktop reader mostly works. There are some
> differences in how well depending on the source of the epub, and I
> prefer the PDFs for greater flexibility of navigation.
>
> HTH
>
> Cheers.
>
> Esther
>
>
> On Aug 26, 2009, Dorothea Martin wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello, Sarah,
>> Can you tell me where you found this manual? Thanks.
>>
>> Dotty Martin
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 26, 2009, at 4:08 AM, "Sarah Cranston" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Have you been able to read comfortably with Stanza?  I have the
>>> latest
>>> iPhone manual from David Pogue and it opens in Stanza.  It appears
>>> as though
>>> most words are divided by spaces, making reading very tedious and
>>> uncomfortable.  Have you had a different result?
>>>
>>> Sarah Cranston
>>>
>>> To join the Blind Sudoku Discussion Group, write to
>>> blind-sudoku-subscr...@googlegroups.com
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Justin Harford" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:28 PM
>>> Subject: Stanza EBook reader
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> There is a free EBook reader called Stanza.  It enables you to put
>>> books on your iPhone, and read them without an internet connection.
>>> It is mostly along in accessibility, but has some stuff to be
>>> improved
>>> before we could use it productively.  It would be awesome if some of
>>> you could take a look at this program from Lexcycle and maybe give
>>> them some of your own input so they can see that there are a number
>>> of
>>> interested blind takers of their product.  They have a forum where
>>> people can post suggestions.  Here are the forums
>>>
>>> http://www.lexcycle.com/forum
>>>
>>> I have started a thread which you may find by searching
>>> "accessibility".  You can read that and add to it, or make your own
>>> t

Re: clean install or upgrade?

[John JD Denning]

I've done only upgrades since Panther on my 4 year old iMac G5.  
Upgrades work fine in most cases. Just as any time you do brain  
surgery on your OS, have a backup. Also disconnect any external  
drives. You don't have to, but it's a best practice.

I'll do an update on my Macbook, but a clean install on one of our  
Mini's, it had a dead HD, so this was a perfect time to fix that.

On Aug 28, 2009, at 5:28 AM, Chris G wrote:

>
> Hi,
> I'm planning on doing an upgrade.  So we will see how that goes.
> Chris
>
>
>
> On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 07:06:45 +0100
> william lomas  wrote:
>
>>
>> you go to the utilities menu in the installer i think chose disc
>> utility then erase and install.
>> I will watch feedback over next couple months then upgrade but at
>> present what I have is working
>>
>> On 28 Aug 2009, at 06:54, Jessi and Goldina wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I plan to do a clean install also and plan to record it too. I'm not
>>> sure if I'll spread it around, I guess it depends on how well I feel
>>> it goes, lol. this is my first time ever installing an OS on any
>>> platform though, so I thought it should be recorded haha. can  
>>> someone
>>> explain the steps for doing a "clean install?" I'm sure it's been
>>> discussed to death but I've been away at my cabin and had about 2000
>>> messages in my inbox so didn't pay much attention as I rapidly
>>> deleted, lol. I assume a clean install means deleting leopard and  
>>> all
>>> other data? which would of course mean backing up first...I can't  
>>> use
>>> time machine cuz it won't work with my external drive without me
>>> deleting everything off it and I'm so not doing that, so I plan to
>>> just copy and paste all my data and stuff over. I guess I'll lose my
>>> emails, but maybe there's some way other than time machine of
>>> archiving them before I do this?
>>>
>>> and now I'll stop rambling, I'm sure I'm not making much sense. it's
>>> time for bed and book for me. but I just wanna make sure I have all
>>> the steps in place for when the big moment comes!!! I'm pretty  
>>> excited
>>> about it!!
>>> Jessi and Goldina
>>> On 27-Aug-09, at 9:55 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>>

 I would reccomend that you do a clean install, it may take a bit  
 more
 time to reinstall everything, but it's usually more reliable,
 certainly that's what I'm going to do, and I plan on recording mac
 pod
 cast number 10, dedicated to the install of snow leopard, so stay
 tuned for that.
 On Aug 27, 2009, at 9:17 AM, a radix wrote:

> Hello, i am ordering sl via the phone now. I wonder, is an upgrade
> (so not a totally clean install) recommended? I know it is a VERY
> BAD IDEA on a iwndows machine but i wonder if it is ok on a mac? I
> would actually like it if my current settings could be used.
> Greetings, Anouk
>
>>


>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>
>
> -- 
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>
>
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Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Updated - FaceBook.com Updates iPhone App, Rendering it Inaccessible for VoiceOver Users

[John JD Denning]

did make a polite request via their link and did get a reply back that  
they are going to look into it.

I've also contacted other app makers who's apps are either not  
accessible, or were and are now not. I hope it's an education process,  
most have come back with a positive response. Though not promising  
anything and I didn't expect them to, but rather expressing interest  
to look further into it, or plans for a future update.

Not being a programmer I have NO idea what is involved. But I hope we  
get to a day where it's just expected to work.

On Aug 29, 2009, at 9:25 AM, Maccessibility wrote:

>
> Updated - FaceBook.com Updates iPhone App, Rendering it Inaccessible  
> for
> VoiceOver Users
>
> Recently, FaceBook.com updated their iPhone application to version  
> 3.0.
> Apparently, no attention to accessibility was paid, as the app has  
> gone from
> being a fantastic interface for VOiceOver users, to being entirely  
> inaccessible.
> The application now consists of endless unlabeled buttons, and an  
> exploration
> throughout the app reveals no other information anywhere.
> We are advising VoiceOver [...]
>
> You can read the rest of this news item at:
> http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/08/29/facebook-com-updates-iphone-app-rendering-it-inaccessible-for-voiceover-users/
>
> The Mac-cessibility Network
> "...it's all within our reach..."
> http://maccessibility.net
>
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Re: Snow leopard clean install and restoring home folder from time machine

[John JD Denning]

Yes that is true. You can choose time Machine or a vackup.  I have  
done three like that now. Woorked great.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 3, 2009, at 5:14, Simon Cavendish  
 wrote:

>
> When I was listening to Mike Arigo's podcast on Installing SL from
> scratch, having eraseed the hard drive, there seemed to be an option
> during the installation to retrieve one's home folder from Time
> Machine. Is it true? Does that mean that during the installation you
> can choose this option and copy back into Snow Leopard your home
> folder with all your applications and other files? Canit be safely
> done with voiceover and wirelessly? It's probably a dumb question from
> a lay person but any info would be appreciated. I have my Time Machine
> backing up my data regularly. Otherwise if you wanted to do a clean
> install, how would you bring all your personal folder data back
> without having to reinstall all your applications yet again?
>
> Best wishes
>
> Simon
>
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Re: Snow leopard clean install and restoring home folder from time machine

[John JD Denning]

Yes you can indeed can.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 3, 2009, at 6:21, william lomas   
wrote:

>
> could I choose a super duper backup
>
> On 3 Sep 2009, at 10:40, John JD Denning wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes that is true. You can choose time Machine or a vackup.  I have
>> done three like that now. Woorked great.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 3, 2009, at 5:14, Simon Cavendish
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> When I was listening to Mike Arigo's podcast on Installing SL from
>>> scratch, having eraseed the hard drive, there seemed to be an option
>>> during the installation to retrieve one's home folder from Time
>>> Machine. Is it true? Does that mean that during the installation you
>>> can choose this option and copy back into Snow Leopard your home
>>> folder with all your applications and other files? Canit be safely
>>> done with voiceover and wirelessly? It's probably a dumb question
>>> from
>>> a lay person but any info would be appreciated. I have my Time
>>> Machine
>>> backing up my data regularly. Otherwise if you wanted to do a clean
>>> install, how would you bring all your personal folder data back
>>> without having to reinstall all your applications yet again?
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >

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Re: Snow leopard clean install and restoring home folder from time machine

[John JD Denning]

If you let it bring in the backup it restores everything. You can  
select what to restore. You will be prompted

It is quite slick  truy it


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 3, 2009, at 7:26, william lomas   
wrote:

>
> but if you do it that way will it jsut put the will lomas, my home
> folder, back with all my aps, downloads, music, preferences, etc?
>
> On 3 Sep 2009, at 12:10, John JD Denning wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes you can indeed can.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 3, 2009, at 6:21, william lomas 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> could I choose a super duper backup
>>>
>>> On 3 Sep 2009, at 10:40, John JD Denning wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes that is true. You can choose time Machine or a vackup.  I have
>>>> done three like that now. Woorked great.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 3, 2009, at 5:14, Simon Cavendish
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> When I was listening to Mike Arigo's podcast on Installing SL from
>>>>> scratch, having eraseed the hard drive, there seemed to be an
>>>>> option
>>>>> during the installation to retrieve one's home folder from Time
>>>>> Machine. Is it true? Does that mean that during the installation
>>>>> you
>>>>> can choose this option and copy back into Snow Leopard your home
>>>>> folder with all your applications and other files? Canit be safely
>>>>> done with voiceover and wirelessly? It's probably a dumb question
>>>>> from
>>>>> a lay person but any info would be appreciated. I have my Time
>>>>> Machine
>>>>> backing up my data regularly. Otherwise if you wanted to do a  
>>>>> clean
>>>>> install, how would you bring all your personal folder data back
>>>>> without having to reinstall all your applications yet again?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best wishes
>>>>>
>>>>> Simon
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >

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Re: super duper

[John JD Denning]

If you want to do a clean install of SL, and install from a backup you  
can do so as part of the install. Or rather at the end of the restore  
you are asked if you want to restore from a Time Machine backup, an  
external drive, or I believe another Mac. I've done two from external  
backups. One I didn't have connected at the time I did the install of  
SL. When I got to that prompt I plugged in the USB drive, it  
recognized the drive and offered it as the external backup.

Then once selected you can choose what from that backup you want  
restored, Users, Applications, Preferences, not sure what else. I  
selected all, and away it went. Took about 30 minutes to restore. Once  
done it worked great, just like I did an upgrade.

If you would rather just copy things over you can do that also. And  
once you have a new clone of your SL system you can always just have  
Superduper clone it back the other way. Remember a clone is just that  
an exact working copy.

I have Time Machine running on one external drive and I do a Smart  
Clone with Superduper every week. And right before I do something like  
install a new OS.

On Sep 4, 2009, at 8:40 AM, william lomas wrote:

>   hi all I am using super duper to clone my mac hard disk. I may do a
> clean install eventually of Snowleopard. SO, If I wish to put back my
> home folder do I after buying super duper, boot from firewire


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Re: super duper

[John JD Denning]

If you do a smart copy with superduper it only copies the changes.  
Saves LOTS LOTS of time. It keeps your clone up to date. And you can  
schedule it to run whenever you want. I checked I have it update 3  
times a week. I believe you have to pay for it for those features. But  
it's well worth the cost of the program.

On Sep 5, 2009, at 2:31 AM, william lomas wrote:

> so, if i use my super duper Leopard clone to put back what I want
> John, if I clone againw tih SL on it will super duper just note the
> changes?


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Re: super duper

[John JD Denning]

I'm not sure. I had to do a new one because I changed drives, so  
didn't test that. Give it a shot. If you did an upgrade then it's the  
same drive. I'd assume it would work just have lots more to copy as  
new. If it doesn't work it will tell you. I'm really impressed with  
this program.

Anyone know of something like this for Windows? I need to fix up a  
poor windows user friend who needs something easy and fool proof.

On Sep 5, 2009, at 7:16 AM, william lomas wrote:

> John if I smart backup now I bought it when I have installed SL, will
> that bring the backup drive up to date with the new OS files etc?
> Or should I do a complete clone again when SL is on here?


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Re: super duper scheduling

[John JD Denning]

10 to 15 minutes to scan a full system and backup changed items  
doesn't seem long to me. I am assuming you have it set to backup ALL,  
not just your user folders. So we're not just talking about documents  
you edit. But anything system files settings files anything that it  
backs up it looks to see if it changed. Think how long it took to do a  
complete backup the first time, likely over an hour, maybe much more.

But if you want to know you can look at the logs and see exactly what  
it backed up, and what it did.

Just schedule it to backup on it's own at a time when you don't use  
your computer. Then you'll never see how long it takes. Just a good  
idea to check on it every so often to be SURE it backed up. Before an  
important change like upgrading to SL I booted from my Superduper  
Clone just to be sure it booted fine. I had before also, just wanted  
to be super sure I was good to go.

I used to be an Enterprise Backup System Administrator. I backed up  
servers all over the country. It takes time to move data on the  
fastest of systems. That's why I personally don't believe in cloud  
backups as backups. Only a place to archive some important files. To  
me a backup is what I get with SD. Something I can turn to in the  
event of a failure to get me back up and working with no or little  
loss of date or time. (backup soapbox.)

You can save lots of time and just have it backup your user folder.  
But if you had to restore your system you'd have to install an OS, get  
and install any updates and 3rd party applications, and install that  
backup. So give it the 15 minutes at 3 am or whenever you sleep, and  
rest good knowing you are ready.

On Sep 6, 2009, at 4:01 AM, william lomas wrote:

>   hi all when i do a smart backup why is so much changing since 
> last
> night I have hardly done anything yet it takes at least ten fifteen
> ormore minutes to do a smart backup?
> It is strange it takes a long time to scan the whole drive again to
> note changes


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Re: iPhone VO home button oddity

[John JD Denning]

Out off the boox you turrn VO on in iTunes

I have some sight and love the  new feature.

Camera now works great.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 11, 2009, at 8:08, Charlie Doremus   
wrote:

> Good point Donna. I never looked at it from that position. Maybe  
> Apple will get enough feedback and add this feature to their next  
> update.
>
> The steps Apple has taken have been great for blind and low vision  
> folks, but you have to remeber that Rome wasn't built in a day and  
> baby steps are far better then no steps at all.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 11, 2009, at 1:26 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>
>> Yeah, but sighted customers would never even have to know this  
>> feature existed. It wouldn't impact their useage in any way.
>> Donna
>>
>> From: Charlie Doremus 
>> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:00 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iPhone VO home button oddity
>>
>> The market audience for the iPhone is 99% sighted and sadly they  
>> have more clout. I understand your point, it is a big step in the  
>> right direction.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Chris Blouch   
>> wrote:
>>
>> So I upgraded my iPhone to the 3.1 OS which now has the option to  
>> have a
>> triple click of the home button toggle VO on or off. Great if you  
>> want
>> to quick set an iPhone back to the regular gesture system for  
>> somebody
>> else to use and then get VO back on again. What seems odd to me is  
>> that
>> this feature isn't enabled by default. So that means the out of the  
>> box
>> experience still requires sighted assistance to turn on VO the first
>> time. From there the triple home click preference can be set to  
>> toggle
>> VO. Why not ship it that way from the factory for a truly self- 
>> service
>> experience?
>>
>> CB
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: iPhone VO home button oddity

[John JD Denning]

Is there a tripple click cmd for non VO users?

I have a sighted friend who uses VO while driving.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 11, 2009, at 9:36, peter apgar  wrote:

>
> I would have to disagree.  The I phone is designed for the general
> population.  by removing one of the gestures  you are there by
> removing some of the sighted users accessability.  we are a limited
> population and by making voiceover available by means of I tunes it
> maximizes accessability with out anoying the majority of their sales.
> could you picture a sighted person haveing all of their gestures
> respond differently?  WTF would  probably be the first words out of
> their mouths.
> On Sep 11, 2009, at 2:48 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:
>
>>
>> great question and suggestion.  tell apple through their  
>> accessibility
>> section.  Take care, Max
>> On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:59 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> So I upgraded my iPhone to the 3.1 OS which now has the option to
>>> have a
>>> triple click of the home button toggle VO on or off. Great if you
>>> want
>>> to quick set an iPhone back to the regular gesture system for
>>> somebody
>>> else to use and then get VO back on again. What seems odd to me is
>>> that
>>> this feature isn't enabled by default. So that means the out of the
>>> box
>>> experience still requires sighted assistance to turn on VO the first
>>> time. From there the triple home click preference can be set to
>>> toggle
>>> VO. Why not ship it that way from the factory for a truly self-
>>> service
>>> experience?
>>>
>>> CB
>>>

>>
>>
>>>
>>
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Re: VoiceOver and File Maker

[John JD Denning]

If someone does have the answer I'd also like to know.

On Oct 5, 2009, at 9:06 PM, John Panarese wrote:

> Someone asked me this question via the telephone.  Does anyone
> know the status of VoiceOver accessibility with the latest versions of
> File Maker and Ben



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Sound Studio & Skype

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Anyone know if I can use Sound Studio to record Skype calls? I know I  
can with Audio Hijack pro, but I'd rather not buy another piece of  
software just for this.




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Re: 1Password Accessibility

[John JD Denning]

I use 1Password on my Mac, iPhone, and iPad to sync and maintain strong 
passwords. The iPad version has a small problem. VO won't read the icons to 
choose the different sections, like Logins, wallet, secure notes, and settings. 
The rest of the interface appears working well.

I've not used VO with 1Password on the Mac.

I believe you can try before you buy. I HIGHLY recommend it. It really has 
enabled me to use strong and different passwords everywhere I go since it can 
generate them in any length and complexity you want, and it remembers them.

They are working on the one VO problem I mentioned above. In fact the person 
there I spoke to is visually impaired, though not a VO user.

On Sep 29, 2010, at 8:05 PM, Chantelle Griffiths wrote:

> Has anyone ever used the 1Password app for Mac or iPhone/iPad and if so, is
> it accessible at all? Mac Update has a 40% off promo for today and it's also
> highly recommended with a 20% discount coupon in the "Take Control of
> Passwords on the Mac" eBook. 

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Read line by line

[John JD Denning]

I admit my VO skills are not great, I mostly use Zoom. But two of my friends 
who rely on VO and recently got their first Mac have this same question.

We'd like to be able to read down a page, document, or web page line by line 
using the arrow keys? Can that be done?

Also to move through all objects on a web page, like with the tab key, no 
matter if it's a link, or heading or what, from top of page to bottom.


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Re: Read line by line

[John JD Denning]

Thanks everyone for your responses.


On Feb 3, 2010, at 4:53 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Apple made it possible in 10.6 to read by using only the arrow keys on 
> websites. However, it seems like a really flaky solution, and doesn't seem to 
> work all of the time.
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have not found a way to read by line when on the internet.
>> 
>> Les
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Re: Additional help needed with Reading line by line

[John JD Denning]

Is there a new VO user document that covers this, and more? A tutorial where a 
newbie can turn? I'm an old Mac user, but want to start using VO more and more. 
I prefer some kind of tutorial over just lists of commands. 

Some of the reasons I'd like to use VO is that Zoom has so many focus problems. 
And since it's been that way since Tiger I'll assume apple is likely not going 
to do much about it.

And I do prefer good keyboard access in any case.

On Feb 5, 2010, at 3:05 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> First of all, there are two ways of navigating websites: DOM and Groups. I 
> have set a hot key in Keyboard Commander to switch between these modes as I 
> prefer Groups mode in general, but DOM mode for reading articles straight 
> through.
> 
> DOM mode only allows you to move left and right, but Groups mode lets you 
> move in all directions. Groups mode collects items together into Groups like 
> paragraphs. You can interact with a group to examine what's inside more 
> closely. It all depends on how a website is coded as to whether you can read 
> line by line.
> 
> Now for Quick Nav. Turn Quick Nav on by pressing the left and right arrows at 
> the same time smartly.
> Interact with an item by pressing the right and down arrows together.
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Re: First, or Second Generation Track Pad?

[John JD Denning]

Hi, I have the original trackpad. It does eat batteries. I use rechargeable, 
and I seem to have to recharge them way too often. That's my only complaint 
about it. But because of that I'm actually not using it with voice over right 
now I just got tired of charging the batteries.

I would be interested if anyone has experience with both trackpads to know if 
there's any difference in usage. I need for voiceover.

Sent from my iPhone

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> 
> I have found a used first generation  track pad for $60, if it isn't gone 
> already.  This sound like a good deal to me, but is the new one worth the 
> extra money?  I read somewhere, I don't remember where, that the first 
> generation one is perhaps easier to use, but that it loves batteries.  Thanks 
> for any opinions.
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Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[John JD Denning]

Greetings, I would be very interested. I'm a very long time Mac user. But very 
new to relying on voiceover. So I have much to learn. And would sure appreciate 
the opportunity.


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> On Jul 8, 2016, at 08:02, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Guys,
>  
> I have been using a mac now for just over 10 years.  I started in the days of 
> mac OSX 10.4.1 Tiger with a Power Mac G4 Quick Silver.
>  
> I am at the point now where I could not function without my mac, end of 
> story!  There are a few things on Windows I still do, but very few.  I'd say 
> out of an 8 hour work day, I'm probably only in Windows maybe 30 minutes to 
> an hour out of that timeframe.
>  
> So, here is what I am thinking.  For those who live in the US, or have 
> telephone calling to the states, how interested would people like Andy, or 
> Arnald etc. be with me coordinating and teaching a 1 hour class on the basics 
> of the mac OS from the standpoint of someone blind who has used Windows all 
> their life?  Make it very clear that I do not plan to charge for this class.  
> I would very gladly vollenteer my time to do this for you all in a group 
> setting.  The classes would not be all lecture based.  I would make them very 
> interactive.  This means, though I might have a small portion of the class 
> devoted to lecture, 95% of the hour would be helping you all better 
> understand Voiceover, and your new mac system.  Over time, the coriculum 
> would be:
>  
> Deciding which mac is right for you
> The differences in keyboard layouts
> Identifying the FN, CTRL, Option, and command keys
> Discussing the Voiceover modifier keys
> Turning on your mac for the very first time ever
> Turning on Voiceover with no sighted help
> Basic VO keyboard navigation
> Basic VO trackpad navigation
> Why trackpad gestures over keyboard navigation
> Completing the first time setup assistant
> Creating an Apple ID/ICloud ID, and why
> The basics of Quick Nav
> Accessing and navigating menu bars
> Accessing and navigating menu extras, and what they are
> Connecting to a wifi network
> Configuring Finder view options to your liking
> Accessing right click context menus
> Navigating the dock, and what is it
> Switching between opened applications
> The Running applications window
> Switching between opened windows within an application
> The Window chooser
> System Preferences, and useful configurations
> The Finder, and basic navigation
> Opening files/folders
> Explaining concepts of volumes vs. drives
> The Finder sidebar
> The finder browser
> Icon, list, and column views within the Finder
> Changing between the three different views
> Renaming files/folders
> Copy/pasting files/folders
> Selecting files/folders contiguously
> Selecting file/folders noncontiguously
> Adding items to the dock
> Aliuses, what are they, and how to create them
> Properly disconnecting USB drives, and external media
> Closing opened windows
> Quitting applications
> Force quitting applications, and when to do so
> An entire class hour long devoted to the Voiceover Utility
> An entire class devoted to the concept of interacting
> Routing the mouse pointer
> Querying location of keyboard, Voiceover, and mouse focus
> Getting very detailed coordinant locations of cursors
> Moving and resizing windows with no sighted help
> Hiding vs. minimizing
> Zooming vs. maximizing
> Closing vs. quitting
> Setting some useful preferences for Safari
> Two dedicated classes to surfing the web
> One dedicated class to working with E-mail
> Three dedicated classes to the basics of ITunes
> The extreme basics of Quicktime, and why you'd need it
> Basic word processing/text editting
> A very basic introduction to Pages
> A very basic introduction to Numbers
> A very basic introduction to Keynote
> The mac App Store
> Software Update
> Disk Utility
> An incredibly extremely basic intro to Terminal
> The notification Center
> Audio/Midi Setup, and its rare uses
> An intro to the stocked DVD player
> An intro to Airplay
> Booting into System Recovery
> Imaging your drive with Super Duper
> Time Machine, and its uses
> Migration Assistant, and its uses
> Installing, reinstalling, and clean installing OSX
> Troubleshooting misbehaving login items
> An intro to Activity Monitor
> An intro to ICloud Drive
> An Intro to Keychain Manager
>  
> The final class will be wishing everyone farewell with the mac, and 
> answerring any questions which may have not already been covered.
>  
> Upon completion, everyone would receive an electronically e-mailed 
> certifiquet certifying their full completion in the corse.
>  
> Along the way, some weeks will have weekly assignments which I will ask the 
> group to complete for the next class.
>  
> If I do this for you guys, and I do it for free, then realize, I am giving 
> you a $300 value.  Normally, this corse is charged at $300, but seeing how 
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Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[John JD Denning]

No Skype.

Sent from my iPhone

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> are free unless I have to come there to assist you.
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>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> I wish I could take this offer up Chris but I live in the UK and work full 
>> time, 5 days a week!  What a shame, it would have been ideal as I’m OK on 
>> the Mac but would love a one-to-one with someone as I need to improve and be 
>> more independent.  The last time someone  offered to help me with my Mac, 
>> the person made it his business to make my life rather messy and gave me a 
>> lesson to remember.
>> 
>> So I wish everyone luck who takes up this offer.
>> 
>> Kawal. 
>>> On 8 Jul 2016, at 13:02, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Guys,
>>>  
>>> I have been using a mac now for just over 10 years.  I started in the days 
>>> of mac OSX 10.4.1 Tiger with a Power Mac G4 Quick Silver.
>>>  
>>> I am at the point now where I could not function without my mac, end of 
>>> story!  There are a few things on Windows I still do, but very few.  I'd 
>>> say out of an 8 hour work day, I'm probably only in Windows maybe 30 
>>> minutes to an hour out of that timeframe.
>>>  
>>> So, here is what I am thinking.  For those who live in the US, or have 
>>> telephone calling to the states, how interested would people like Andy, or 
>>> Arnald etc. be with me coordinating and teaching a 1 hour class on the 
>>> basics of the mac OS from the standpoint of someone blind who has used 
>>> Windows all their life?  Make it very clear that I do not plan to charge 
>>> for this class.  I would very gladly vollenteer my time to do this for you 
>>> all in a group setting.  The classes would not be all lecture based.  I 
>>> would make them very interactive.  This means, though I might have a small 
>>> portion of the class devoted to lecture, 95% of the hour would be helping 
>>> you all better understand Voiceover, and your new mac system.  Over time, 
>>> the coriculum would be:
>>>  
>>> Deciding which mac is right for you
>>> The differences in keyboard layouts
>>> Identifying the FN, CTRL, Option, and command keys
>>> Discussing the Voiceover modifier keys
>>> Turning on your mac for the very first time ever
>>> Turning on Voiceover with no sighted help
>>> Basic VO keyboard navigation
>>> Basic VO trackpad navigation
>>> Why trackpad gestures over keyboard navigation
>>> Completing the first time setup assistant
>>> Creating an Apple ID/ICloud ID, and why
>>> The basics of Quick Nav
>>> Accessing and navigating menu bars
>>> Accessing and navigating menu extras, and what they are
>>> Connecting to a wifi network
>>> Configuring Finder view options to your liking
>>> Accessing right click context menus
>>> Navigating the dock, and what is it
>>> Switching between opened applications
>>> The Running applications window
>>> Switching between opened windows within an application
>>> The Window chooser
>>> System Preferences, and useful configurations
>>> The Finder, and basic navigation
>>> Opening files/folders
>>> Explaining concepts of volumes vs. drives
>>> The Finder sidebar
>>> The finder browser
>>> Icon, list, and column views within the Finder
>>> Changing between the three different views
>>> Renaming files/folders
>>> Copy/pasting files/folders
>>> Selecting files/folders contiguously
>>> Selecting file/folders noncontiguously
>>> Adding items to the dock
>>> Aliuses, what are they, and how to create them
>>> Properly disconnecting USB drives, and external media
>>> Closing opened windows
>>> Quitting applications
>>> Force quitting applications, and when to do so
>>> An entire class hour long devoted to the Voiceover Utility
>>> An entire class devoted to the concept of interacting
>>> Routing the mouse pointer
>>> Querying location of keyboard, Voiceover, and mouse focus
>>> Getting very detailed coordinant locations of cursors
>>> Moving and resizing windows with no sighted help
>>> Hiding vs. minimizing
>>> Zooming vs. maximizing
>>> Closing vs. quitting
>>> Setting some useful preferences for Safari
>>> Two dedicated classes to surfing the web
>>> One dedicated class to working with E-mail
>>> Three dedicated classes to the basics of ITunes
>>> The extreme basics of Quicktime, and why you'd need it
>>> Basic word processing/text editting
>>> A very basic introduction to Pages
>>> A very basic introduction to Numbers
>>> A very basic introduction to Keynote
>>> The mac App Store
>>> Software Update
>>> Disk Utility
>>> An incredibly extremely basic intro to Terminal
>>> The n

Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[John JD Denning]

I could be wrong, but I think that might be a setting that one can change. On 
our end. Include your email or not. But I've noticed that same behavior.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 18:25, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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>  
> Not there was anything objectionable in my message, but I wonder why some 
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>  
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> Peggy, you're gonna need to write me off list privately and give me your 
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>  
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FileMaker, or other database?

[John JD Denning]

Hello all, does anybody have any experience using FileMaker, or another 
database on the Mac? Are you still use FileMaker a lot. But not for the last 
several years and not at all with voiceover. Curious to know if it plays well 
with voiceover.

Thanks

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Re: FileMaker, or other database?

[John JD Denning]

Wow, I'm a bit surprised. Nobody here has any experience with any database 
program on the Mac? I'd really like to know about FileMaker, but any database 
you might be using with success.

Thanks

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2016, at 15:15, John JD Denning  wrote:
> 
> Hello all, does anybody have any experience using FileMaker, or another 
> database on the Mac? Are you still use FileMaker a lot. But not for the last 
> several years and not at all with voiceover. Curious to know if it plays well 
> with voiceover.
> 
> Thanks
> 
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Re: FileMaker, or other database?

[John JD Denning]

Thanks for the input both of you. It's hard to justify the high cost of 
FileMaker for my very easy needs. I would use bento if it was still around and 
modern. But I'm really disappointed that FileMaker hasn't come out with a light 
version a stripped-down version for home users. At a much lower cost. I don't 
need all the power of a modern FileMaker.

I don't even need relational. A flat file system would be good. But I would 
love the power and or most of the advanced features of today's FileMaker. The 
capabilities of version four would do me just fine.

Thanks again.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 26, 2016, at 16:20, Slau Halatyn  wrote:
> 
> FileMaker is accessible for the most part. I haven’t tried creating new 
> templates but I’m using a database I created back around 1992 with FileMaker 
> 4 and it’s working just fine. Dialogs and such are fully accessible. I found 
> it just a tad confusing when trying to create a brand new database within 
> FileMaker 12 but I’m sure with a little sighted assistance, I could get 
> around that initial hurdle. I simply haven’t had the need since I have that 
> template I created back in the day.
> HTH,
> Slau
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2016, at 1:25 PM, John JD Denning  wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, I'm a bit surprised. Nobody here has any experience with any database 
>> program on the Mac? I'd really like to know about FileMaker, but any 
>> database you might be using with success.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 23, 2016, at 15:15, John JD Denning  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all, does anybody have any experience using FileMaker, or another 
>>> database on the Mac? Are you still use FileMaker a lot. But not for the 
>>> last several years and not at all with voiceover. Curious to know if it 
>>> plays well with voiceover.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: FileMaker, or other database?

[John JD Denning]

The last time I looked you couldn't do any creation on that app. It was purely 
a means to utilize a database on your phone. But I'll check it out to see if 
anything is changed. Thanks for the thought.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 27, 2016, at 03:12, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure how light it is but there is a filemaker go app for the IOS 
> platform.
> 
> I know you can upload the filemaker database file to your IOS device and view 
> the database data in different  report formats on your device, possibly you 
> can produce a small database using that 
> 
> Oh and it's free, I'm not sure if it's got an OSX application version.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John JD Denning
> Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2016 8:41 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: FileMaker, or other database?
> 
> Thanks for the input both of you. It's hard to justify the high cost of 
> FileMaker for my very easy needs. I would use bento if it was still around 
> and modern. But I'm really disappointed that FileMaker hasn't come out with a 
> light version a stripped-down version for home users. At a much lower cost. I 
> don't need all the power of a modern FileMaker.
> 
> I don't even need relational. A flat file system would be good. But I would 
> love the power and or most of the advanced features of today's FileMaker. The 
> capabilities of version four would do me just fine.
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2016, at 16:20, Slau Halatyn  wrote:
>> 
>> FileMaker is accessible for the most part. I haven’t tried creating new 
>> templates but I’m using a database I created back around 1992 with FileMaker 
>> 4 and it’s working just fine. Dialogs and such are fully accessible. I found 
>> it just a tad confusing when trying to create a brand new database within 
>> FileMaker 12 but I’m sure with a little sighted assistance, I could get 
>> around that initial hurdle. I simply haven’t had the need since I have that 
>> template I created back in the day.
>> HTH,
>> Slau
>> 
>>> On Jul 26, 2016, at 1:25 PM, John JD Denning  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, I'm a bit surprised. Nobody here has any experience with any database 
>>> program on the Mac? I'd really like to know about FileMaker, but any 
>>> database you might be using with success.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 23, 2016, at 15:15, John JD Denning  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello all, does anybody have any experience using FileMaker, or another 
>>>> database on the Mac? Are you still use FileMaker a lot. But not for the 
>>>> last several years and not at all with voiceover. Curious to know if it 
>>>> plays well with voiceover.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: FileMaker, or other database?

[John JD Denning]

That's a good idea. I'm not sure I can do what I want with that. Because I 
would like something my wife could use. But I'm going to explore that. Thanks 
much.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 27, 2016, at 10:20, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
> Are you looking for a GUI solution?  
> 
> If not, the Mac comes with SQLite3 installed and you can use it to create 
> your own databases via the terminal.  You can invoke it by typing:
> 
> sqlite3 databasename
> 
> If the database doesn’t exist, it will create it, if it does exist, it loads 
> it into memory.  You can then enter SQL commands at the command prompt.
> 
> Type .help for help and .quit to quit.
> 
> HTH,
> Jeff
> 
> 
>> On Jul 27, 2016, at 10:11 AM, John JD Denning  wrote:
>> 
>> The last time I looked you couldn't do any creation on that app. It was 
>> purely a means to utilize a database on your phone. But I'll check it out to 
>> see if anything is changed. Thanks for the thought.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 27, 2016, at 03:12, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure how light it is but there is a filemaker go app for the IOS 
>>> platform.
>>> 
>>> I know you can upload the filemaker database file to your IOS device and 
>>> view the database data in different  report formats on your device, 
>>> possibly you can produce a small database using that 
>>> 
>>> Oh and it's free, I'm not sure if it's got an OSX application version.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John JD Denning
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2016 8:41 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: FileMaker, or other database?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the input both of you. It's hard to justify the high cost of 
>>> FileMaker for my very easy needs. I would use bento if it was still around 
>>> and modern. But I'm really disappointed that FileMaker hasn't come out with 
>>> a light version a stripped-down version for home users. At a much lower 
>>> cost. I don't need all the power of a modern FileMaker.
>>> 
>>> I don't even need relational. A flat file system would be good. But I would 
>>> love the power and or most of the advanced features of today's FileMaker. 
>>> The capabilities of version four would do me just fine.
>>> 
>>> Thanks again.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 26, 2016, at 16:20, Slau Halatyn  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> FileMaker is accessible for the most part. I haven’t tried creating new 
>>>> templates but I’m using a database I created back around 1992 with 
>>>> FileMaker 4 and it’s working just fine. Dialogs and such are fully 
>>>> accessible. I found it just a tad confusing when trying to create a brand 
>>>> new database within FileMaker 12 but I’m sure with a little sighted 
>>>> assistance, I could get around that initial hurdle. I simply haven’t had 
>>>> the need since I have that template I created back in the day.
>>>> HTH,
>>>> Slau
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 26, 2016, at 1:25 PM, John JD Denning  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wow, I'm a bit surprised. Nobody here has any experience with any 
>>>>> database program on the Mac? I'd really like to know about FileMaker, but 
>>>>> any database you might be using with success.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 23, 2016, at 15:15, John JD Denning  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello all, does anybody have any experience using FileMaker, or another 
>>>>>> database on the Mac? Are you still use FileMaker a lot. But not for the 
>>>>>> last several years and not at all with voiceover. Curious to know if it 
>>>>>> plays well with voiceover.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Is there a keyboard command to bring the mouse?

[John JD Denning]

I hadn't thought of that overlapping problem either. But I've been in the habit 
of using spaces for various applications. Or having the window set up like 
Safari takes half of the screen and email takes the other half of the screen 
and they don't overlap. But that's the benefit of having a very big display a 
27 inch retina display. I do like to hide other applications


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 30, 2016, at 14:42, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anne,
> 
> wow, thanks for this!  I didn't even know the hide command existed.
> 
> Unfortunately, bringing the mouse did not solve my problem on this page, but 
> it's still good to know how to do it.  I'm sure I'll need it at some point in 
> the future.  Thanks to everyone for your help with this.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jul 30, 2016, at 2:41 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Donna,
>> 
>> I regularly have to bring the mouse to the VoiceOver cursor and haven’t 
>> encountered the problems Eric described. However, I am in the habit of 
>> hiding any other open applications using the command Cmd-Option-h. This 
>> keeps the screen clear for the current application.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29 Jul 2016, at 22:06, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Erik,
>>> 
>>> Thanks so much for this!  I'm glad I hadn't imagined that such a keyboard 
>>> command existed. :)
>>> 
>>> Haven't been able to try it out yet, I'll let you know how it goes.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Jul 29, 2016, at 8:34 AM, erik burggraaf  
 wrote:
 
 Sorry, I forgot to add, when pressing control option command f5, the 
 feedback will be the contents of the voiceover cursor, indicating that the 
 mouse has been routed to the voiceover cursor; However, clicking may yeald 
 unexpected results because mac os lets you stack windows on top of 
 eachother, but voiceover doesn't indicate that such a window is present.  
 So, you may think you're clicking on some mouse only button on a webpage 
 in a safari window when in fact you're clicking on a file icon in finder 
 or notification text in a hidden dialog box.  Thus, routing the mouse and 
 clicking is an inexact process.  It's also worth noting that some 
 clickable options won't work with the trackpad as long as voiceover is 
 turned on.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik Burggraaf
 Freelance jack of many trades!  Visit my website:
 http://www.theoutofworkbum.work
 Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform for 
 persons with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities:
 http://www.inclusiveandroid.com
 
> On Jul 29, 2016, at 9:28 AM, erik burggraaf  
> wrote:
> 
> Control option command f5 is what I use.
> 
> hth,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> Freelance jack of many trades!  Visit my website:
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> Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform for 
> persons with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities:
> http://www.inclusiveandroid.com
> 
>> On Jul 29, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I know that may be a dumb question, but I'm thinking there is one and I 
>> can't remember what it is.  I'm trying to force the mouse to route to 
>> the voiceover cursor, similar to the Route Jaws to PC in JAWS.
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
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Re: An observation

[John JD Denning]

I agree 100% with your observation. I switch back-and-forth due to work and 
home, and even with VoiceOver I have grown to really appreciate the Mac. Yes 
you're right it's not perfect but we are getting better all the time.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 09:34, Larry Thacker Jr.  
> wrote:
> 
> I’ve been a PC user for nearly 30 years.  I’ve been through DOS and all the 
> flavors of Windows.  The first PC screen reader I used was made by IBM and I 
> don’t remember the name.  I had Artic Business Vision after that, then Vert, 
> then Vocal-Eyes before moving to Windows where I was a happy devotee of 
> Window-Eyes until I was forced into JAWS by work.  On my hopefully soon to be 
> retired home PC I now use NVDA and it’s more than good enough for what I do 
> at home.  I got my Mac this March.
> 
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Audio ducking off and on

[John JD Denning]

Greetings all, I have an annoyance that I hoped upgraded to iOS 10 would 
resolve. I wonder what I might have set wrong. Often when ice flick up or down 
I get audio ducking on, audio ducking off.

I made sure it's not in the rotor. But I can't get rid of the darn thing. It's 
really annoying, when you flick up for something and instead of doing the flick 
it says audio ducking on. Has anybody else experienced this? Is there anyway to 
disable this audio ducking on and off swipe?

Sent from my iPhone


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Re: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac computer before updating to Sierra

[John JD Denning]

It appears there's been a lot of discussion on this subject. And I'm kind of 
surprise. Because I was just pointed out backing up the Mac is incredibly 
simple and straightforward. Go get a USB or thunderbolt hard drive plugged in 
and use Time Machine. That's the simplest way.

I do to back ups when using super Duper to a thunderbolt raid drive. That is 
incredibly fast. And I do a time machine back up to a USB three drive.

I love the clones, it's great to just be able to change your start up disk and 
be right where you were when you did the back up. Everyone should have a back 
up. It's just the cost of a external drive. Save yourself lots of aggravation 
and go out and get an external drive. If you ever need it you'll be glad you did

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> On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:01, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> No again you’re wrong.  You do not need an airport or time capsule for time 
> machine.  That’s just nonsense.  Any hard disk will work.  You can connect 
> directly via USB, you can connect via network to some drives, you can use a 
> time capsule if you want, you can use an airport router with a hard drive 
> attached to provide backups to a whole network but these are not 
> requirements.  A single external pluggable hard disk is all you need.  Also, 
> it totally restores on a blank disk, no reinstallation of programs or 
> operating system, it’s just a full backup which you can fully restore from.  
> None of the rest matters a hill of beans.
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Singing Sparrow  wrote:
>> 
>> I can see chris's points because time machine is really not a true back up 
>> and also since you need a time capsel, or airport express router and the 
>> like for time machine to work the way chris stated to do a true back up 
>> would be more of the slutation then time machine.
>> 
>>> On 9/21/2016 8:30 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> This is such bunk, sometimes Chris I think you talk to hear your self talk.
>>> 
>>> Of course it’s a true backup, when the hell is it a requirement to boot off 
>>> the backup.  By this logic Veritas and the rest of the mass backup 
>>> solutions aren’t a backup either.  Just because the data is stored in a 
>>> database or in an on-tap file system or time machine doesn’t mean it’s not 
>>> a full backup.  If you restore from time machine you’ll get back to exactly 
>>> where you were when that snapshot was taken.  IF I used a terabyte tape 
>>> library would that make my backup less valid because you don’t boot from 
>>> tape?  I don’t get it. 
>>> 
>>> Helga, Time Machine will do exactly what you want to do and secure that 
>>> school data just fine.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 21, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 The problem with Time Machine is, it's not an exact image of your drive.  
 It's great for basic things, and for backing up your apps, files, and 
 settings, but if you want to really get technical, it's not, at the end of 
 the day, a true OS backup regardless what anyone says.  For instance, show 
 me how to boot from a time machine backup.  You can't.  Point I hope 
 taken.  At least, if you *can!* literally boot from a  drive soly created 
 by TM, then I'm totally unaware of how to do so.
  
 This is exactly why I use Super Duper.  Though they'd encourage you to buy 
 and register it, you don't actually have to.  It never will expire on you, 
 but there are just some features that won't be enabled.  Those features by 
 no means are door stoppers though.  For instance.  I'm a pro musician as a 
 lot of you know.
  
 So, when a new major OS like this comes out, it's always the million 
 dollar question, will ProTools work with this OS with no problems?  At 
 first, usually, the answer is no.  But, I always try anyway.  This being 
 said, I don't use Time Machine for those situations.  I'll instead fire up 
 Super Dooper, take an exact bootable, mind you, snapshot image of my 
 drive's current state, then, I'll update, and if something goes 
 disastrous, it's no big deal.  I just roll back from that image I made, 
 and within an hour or two, I'm downgraded and right back in perfect 
 working order as if I'd never updated to start with.
  
 So yeah, call me weird.  I like the idea of what Apple did with Time 
 Machine, but I just don't think it's fair to tell people it's a full 
 backup sollution.  It's not.  It sort of is, but it sort of isn't, if you 
 catch my jidst.  If all you want is to back up your files, settings, and 
 apps, then OK, whatever, go for it, but if you're really wanting to be the 
 most optimally safe as possible, then look  into a full backup sollution 
 like Super Duper, or Carbon Copy Cloner, etc.  Trust me, in the long run, 
 it just may save you a day or more of hard hard work.
 ---
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 Training Instructor.
>

Re: Audio ducking off and on

[John JD Denning]

Yes, I've rebooted it several times since this is been a problem. I'm not sure 
if it started with iOS 9 I think so. But couldn't swear to that.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 17:30, David Chittenden  wrote:
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> Have you tried rebooting your iPhone?
> 
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>> On 22/09/2016, at 04:57, John JD Denning  wrote:
>> 
>> Greetings all, I have an annoyance that I hoped upgraded to iOS 10 would 
>> resolve. I wonder what I might have set wrong. Often when ice flick up or 
>> down I get audio ducking on, audio ducking off.
>> 
>> I made sure it's not in the rotor. But I can't get rid of the darn thing. 
>> It's really annoying, when you flick up for something and instead of doing 
>> the flick it says audio ducking on. Has anybody else experienced this? Is 
>> there anyway to disable this audio ducking on and off swipe?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Hourly vibration on the apple watch.

[John JD Denning]

Hi, no I don't believe there's anyway to set a vibration or chime at the hour 
mark. But the vibration time isn't limited to a particular watch face. I really 
love this feature. You could set it up for any watch face.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 10:01, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> I know there is Mickey and Mimi mouse clocks that announces the time every 
> hour but i wonder if there is something that can make the watch vibrate on 
> every hour?
> I really need such an app but haven’t found one yet.
> There is Diiiy or something similar but it wont vibrate on the apple watch, 
> only the iphone.
> Any thoughts?
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Mouse not working when zoomed in with VO on

[John JD Denning]

Hello, Since my macOS upgrade to 10.12 I’m experiencing a problem with the 
mouse.

If I’m using VO, and need to zoom in to use the mouse. The mouse pointer 
vanishes. If I zoom all the way out the pointer is there, but once I zoom in 
and touch the mouse, no pointer.

Anyone see this?


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Re: 1Password Update

[John JD Denning]

Greetings all, I just got the 1Password update. In my browser it displayed the 
code. And says I can go to one password to compare it. But I don't find where 
the code is displayed in one password. Can somebody comment about that where do 
you compare the code and agree to it?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2016, at 15:37, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   If you do not have the automatically check for updates option selected, you 
> can almost always find the option on the menu bar. If you bought an app from 
> the app store, those updates will appear in the app store.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>> On 10/20/2016 11:58 AM, Marie Lyons wrote:
>> How does one update? I didn’t see an update selection in the menu; unless, I 
>> missed it .
>> 
>> Marie Lyons
>>> On Oct 19, 2016, at 7:01 PM, Nicholas Parsons 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> VoiceOver will announce when a new window is displayed. You should listen 
>>> out for it, as it’s easy to miss. VoiceOver says something like, ‘System 
>>> has new window’, or, ‘1Password has new window.’
>>> 
 On 19 Oct. 2016, at 8:09 am, E.T.  wrote:
 
 The 6.3.4 update has to do with browser extensions. Before, you would 
 download and install the extension. This was changed. Now, you would be 
 prompted to compare a code with that shown in the browser. Simpler.
 
 What I encountered prompts a question. Safari showed the code and the 
 dialog indicated that one was to go to 1Password and compare the code 
 there. The mystery was. where was that code being displayed in 1Password?
 
 Turned out it was in a popover. Invoking the Window chooser then took me 
 there and I completed the task.
 
 It was not obvious. So is this actually typical behavior? Is this where 
 one develops a habit of checking the Window chooser?
 
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iPhone glucose meter recommendation

[John JD Denning]

Greetings all. I hope there's someone out there with diabetes with experience 
with a glucose meter that works well with your iPhone and voiceover. If anybody 
can make a recommendation or share any thoughts I would appreciate it. I don't 
want to just be able to port the information for logging but I'd like something 
that either has good speech itself, or relies on the iPhone.

Thank you


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Re: iPhone glucose meter recommendation

[John JD Denning]

Thanks everybody for your comments. Yes I started with Google searches, and 
have found a number. But I've not read any comments by blind users. It looks 
like there's one in development now that's very promising and one that I found 
that looked really great but it only works with older iPhones. I'm gonna keep 
looking. I do have a prodigy that I just received. Haven't even used it yet. 
Just put in the batteries and it talks. I've been using for years and Accu Chek 
compact. And what I love about that is that holds a canister that contain 17 
strips. So I never have to mess with strips. I love that for the convenience 
factor. But it doesn't talk at all.

So I'll keep looking for the perfect solution. And if any of you find a perfect 
solution please let me know. Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 15, 2017, at 13:24, Dan D.  wrote:
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> 
> A google with:
> 
> iphone glucose meter
> 
> will get a ton of responses.
> 
> 
> They work by sending the result to the iphone/ipad where the app can voice 
> and/or store the result.  Make sure the app is voice accessable.
> 
> One from the above google appears to be an apple product.  One factor is
> the cost of strips.  Actual meters are often given away because they know
> the real money is in the strips which can vary greatly in price.
> 
> Also check with your insurance company because they often will only support 
> certain meters and strips.
> 
>> On Sat, 14 Jan 2017, John JD Denning wrote:
>> 
>> Greetings all. I hope there's someone out there with diabetes with 
>> experience with a glucose meter that works well with your iPhone and 
>> voiceover. If anybody can make a recommendation or share any thoughts I 
>> would appreciate it. I don't want to just be able to port the information 
>> for logging but I'd like something that either has good speech itself, or 
>> relies on the iPhone.
>> 
>> Thank you
>> 
>> 
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Re: Accessible Password Manager

[John JD Denning]

I use 1Password on my Mac, and iOS devices. I like it. I still haven't figured 
out a good workflow for websites. But I can access what I need and it does 
well. I support person send me the keystrokes to be able to do it smoother. I 
need to play around with it a bit more to be really proficient and fast. But as 
I said I can use it I can get to everything I have secured notes, credit cards, 
websites, serial numbers for apps. And it's all accessible. The weak link is 
just my voiceover scales. I'm just learning to do without site.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 9, 2017, at 10:09, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   1Password works well under Windows and Sierra. I use it mainly on the 
> Windows machine while I get used to certain parts of Sierra.
> 
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>> On 6/9/2017 1:36 AM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> If that was supposed to be 1password, I have not used it on the Mac, but
>> on Windows, I am unable to get it to fill in passwords... when I
>> activate the context menu, I get an option for 1password, and when
>> pressing it, it tells me that it can't connect with something or other,
>> or it needs something... I don't really remember what it says, and I do
>> use windows at work, so definitely would prefer if there was a
>> multi-platform option... Lastpass would be great, except that I can't
>> seem to be able to access the last pass extension to have it fill in
>> passwords... not sure this made any sense, but if you say that 1password
>> is better on the Mac side, then I will play around with it and see if I
>> can fix the error on the Windows side.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:44 AM gary-melconian > > wrote:
>> 
>>Have you use 1 pas manaer.  
>> 
>>__ __
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>>*Subject:* Accessible Password Manager
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>>__ __
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>>Hello,
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>>__ __
>> 
>>I am looking for an accessible password manager. In the past, I have
>>been a last pass user, however I cannot figure out how to fill
>>passwords in with the Lastpass safari extension... I can get into
>>the context menu and find last pass as an option, however attempting
>>to activate it achieves no results. So, do you have a preferred
>>password manager? I would use auto-fill in Safari, however I do not
>>get the option to save some websites, and often times passwords are
>>not filled... this especially happens with the new login page that
>>gmail is using, but I have been able to reproduce that on other
>>sites as well. This happens with the latest release of Mac OS,.
>> 
>>__ __
>> 
>>Thanks for any suggestions as to a workable password manager.
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Re: focus jumping while typing

[John JD Denning]

I have had it happen only in numbers. And it's happened quite a few times. I 
wish I knew a fix for it because it is incredibly annoying.

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> On Aug 3, 2017, at 23:51, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> It seems like in the last few weeks I have started having an issue where my 
> focus jumps around in my document or email while I am typing. I will be 
> happily typing along and all of a sudden my focus will be at the beginning of 
> my line paragraph or document. When typing this email for example I all of a 
> sudden had VO telling me no links when I typed an l on something and have had 
> to relocate my place several times.
> 
> Has anyone else ever had this happen or have any ideas what could be causing 
> it? At first I thought it might be app specific or that I was hitting the 
> touchpad but it's happened to me in mail, text edit and pages.
> 
> I am using a 2011 macbook pro with Sierra 10.12.5 and 16 gigs of ram.
> 
> If anyone has any assistance to offer I would greatly appreciate it. It is 
> very annoying to have to stop and find my location every word and a half 
> while typing.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
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Re: re faceID with vo

[John JD Denning]

Regarding the buyer was charging for the AirPods. You won't have to wait for a 
new AirPods. They'll be selling the Charging Case separately. I'm really glad 
they're going to do that. I'll be surprised if we see new AirPod hardware 
anytime soon. They can do a lot in software.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 13, 2017, at 08:25, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Re the face ID with voiceover issues,
> Well as in Jonathans email, it’s not going to be an issue,
>  
> May be the biggest issue will be getting your face in the direct line of the 
> front camera but it appears Apple have thought of that one also.
>  
> What it comes down to is what the user wants or more specifically requires in 
> their smart phone,
>  
> I’d love the x but hey it’s pricy here so it will be a big thing to think of 
> over the next 6 weeks.
>  
> Worst case is I wait till September next year when they bring out a new 
> version.
> Surely it can only be better.what I am waiting for is the Earpods series 2 
> which is seemingly going to have the wireless charging case that will work 
> with the airpad charging system as demonstrated in the keybote this morning,
> It would be great if I had one thing charging all devices watch, phone and 
> pods,
> I only then need to worry about my iPad mini,
>  
> I am wondering how we will get on using the ano emojis
> Which were demo’d in the presentation,
>  That will be interesting for us, but I’m sure apple figured that one out 
> also.
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Re: getting rid of the annoying Do Not Disturb driving prompt?

[John JD Denning]

Same here. I had it set to manual and we get a number prompt a day. Very 
annoying. I changed it to the automatic when connected to Bluetooth in the car. 
Since I never connected to anything in my car I wonder if that might work. But 
I wish there was just an off switch.

I’m glad they have this feature. It’s a good feature. For people who drive. If 
I could just tell it I don’t need it. I’d be happy.

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> On Sep 25, 2017, at 06:18, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Thanks Mark. But that is how it is currently set, and I'm still getting the 
> prompt.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 1:18 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Donna,
>> 
>> From within the Do Not Disturb settings area of your phone, set do not 
>> disturb while driving to manual as opposed to automatic.  This should stop 
>> the prompting for the feature.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 7:33 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: getting rid of the annoying Do Not Disturb driving prompt?
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> So, since upgrading to IOS 11 this morning, every time I get in the car, the 
>> next time I wake up my phone, I get that stupid message about turning on Do 
>> not Disturb while driving.  Given that I am never the driver, I'd really 
>> like to make that message go away.  Anyone know if this is possible?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Apple Watch VoiceOver volume problems

[John JD Denning]

I just sent the below to Apple accessibility. Have any other Apple Watch users 
experience problem setting the volume?




Hello, I’ve had an Apple Watch since it first came out. I just upgraded to a 
generation three GPS only model. I love the watch. But am experiencing some 
oddities that I haven’t previously had. Controlling the volume. I’ve tried the 
two finger tap and hold and move up or down and I can hear it say 60% 90% 70%. 
But no change in the volume also the numbers that it saying almost appeared to 
be random it doesn’t slowly go up as I move up and slowly go down as I move 
down it’s seem to jump around.

So OK I went to the watch app on my iPhone a plus. I set the voiceover volume 
there. And it doesn’t make any difference what I had it set at the volume 
doesn’t go up or down. I could set an 100% or I could set it at 40% it’s still 
the same. The VoiceOver speech rate does change when I change it on my phone. 
But not the volume.

Also over the last few days my Apple Watch has decided to connect with my 
AirPods. But the volume there is extremely faint I can hardly hear it. And I 
can’t find anyway to increase that volume. I tried the methods above, but 
nothing changes it. The Apple Watch software version is 4.0. My iPhone is 
11.0.2.

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Re: Apple Watch VoiceOver volume problems

[John JD Denning]

The one thing I like about my new Apple Watch Series 3, is it is not sluggish. 
I have the original Apple Watch. That at times was an exercise in frustration. 
But I’m really really please with this one in house Siri responds and VoiceOver 
response. I have seldom had to restart my watch. Certainly not once a day maybe 
once every couple of months.

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> On Oct 8, 2017, at 14:15, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Harry,
> 
> I have a series 2 watch running Watch OS 3.
> 
> However, I have found it very useful to reboot my watch, at least once a day 
> and, after doing so, using the digital crown triple-press to turn VoiceOver 
> off, then back on, for best results.  
> 
> I do this because, sometimes, VoiceOver can become sluggish.  
> 
> Given that there is a lot of sluggishness when the watch reboots, if you have 
> no useable vision, I can understand that you may choose not to do this, 
> however.
> 
> Mark 
> 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Harry Bell
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Watch VoiceOver volume problems
> 
> Yes, on my Watch series 3, when I slide two fingers up the screen I do hear 
> volume percentages, but often the volume simply bounced back to its previous 
> level when I lift my fingers off. I'm quite nervous about trying to change 
> volume as I'm not confident I can get VoiceOver volume back again. I've also 
> experienced VoiceOver disappearing entirely for no obvious reason, which I 
> cursed by holding down both buttons to do a hard reset. Let's hope a fix will 
> come! 
> Harry
> 
>> On 8 Oct 2017, at 17:38, John JD Denning  wrote:
>> 
>> I just sent the below to Apple accessibility. Have any other Apple Watch 
>> users experience problem setting the volume?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hello, I’ve had an Apple Watch since it first came out. I just upgraded to a 
>> generation three GPS only model. I love the watch. But am experiencing some 
>> oddities that I haven’t previously had. Controlling the volume. I’ve tried 
>> the two finger tap and hold and move up or down and I can hear it say 60% 
>> 90% 70%. But no change in the volume also the numbers that it saying almost 
>> appeared to be random it doesn’t slowly go up as I move up and slowly go 
>> down as I move down it’s seem to jump around.
>> 
>> So OK I went to the watch app on my iPhone a plus. I set the voiceover 
>> volume there. And it doesn’t make any difference what I had it set at the 
>> volume doesn’t go up or down. I could set an 100% or I could set it at 40% 
>> it’s still the same. The VoiceOver speech rate does change when I change it 
>> on my phone. But not the volume.
>> 
>> Also over the last few days my Apple Watch has decided to connect with my 
>> AirPods. But the volume there is extremely faint I can hardly hear it. And I 
>> can’t find anyway to increase that volume. I tried the methods above, but 
>> nothing changes it. The Apple Watch software version is 4.0. My iPhone is 
>> 11.0.2.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: audio switching on AirPods with latest software?

[John JD Denning]

That seems to be my experience as well. Has a mind of its own and cuts in and 
out when you don’t want it. I wish I had some control over it regardless of how 
supposed to work I wish you could set a priority.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2017, at 09:23, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> for me it works somehow but not as expected. If I hear an audiobook on my 
> iPhone and want to look what time it is, the watch sound comes across but I 
> can only hear parts of the numbers of the watch. And then it regularly 
> happens the audio router gets so confused that VoiceOver completely looses 
> the voice or seems to switch randomely between the watch and the iPhone 7. So 
> I’d rather see this feature disabled then not working correctly. Frankly said 
> it’s annoying as it is at the moment.
> Jürgen
> 
> 
>> Am 20.10.2017 um 15:11 schrieb Daniel Miller :
>> 
>> Hi Alex,
>> Unfortunately, this is still not working the way it’s intended. If you have 
>> your phone playing audio, and the watch makes it sound, the AirPods still do 
>> not switch to that device. I reported this to Apple, yet they have no clue 
>> why it’s behaving like this. They also said I’m the first person to report 
>> that issue. Who knows when or if it will ever get fixed.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone  
>> 
>>> On Oct 20, 2017, at 7:11 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all, but especially AirPods users,
>>> Some time ago there was a discussion on the list about audio switching with 
>>> AirPods. If you had them connected to a phone and a watch, for instance, 
>>> they would play audio from the phone but would switch to playing watch 
>>> audio when the watch made a sound. If my understanding is right, this is 
>>> working in iOS 11 and watchOS 4. If I have all this right, I have some 
>>> questions. If not, can someone explain what does happen with these three 
>>> devices? Thanks.
>>> 
>>> * When the watch plays a notification or other small sound, does it go 
>>> through the AirPods, or is it only VO speech and music that does? If the 
>>> former, doesn't it get annoying to have VO or media interrupted for a 
>>> sound, given that the watch is supposed to help your devices be less 
>>> interrupting?
>>> 
>>> * Does this work on other devices? Would it work on Apple TV or a Mac?
>>> 
>>> * Is there a way to turn the feature off?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any responses. The more I think about it, this kind of switching 
>>> would be quite convenient in a lot of situations. I just worry about 
>>> notification sounds interrupting my iPhone's audio. 
>>> 
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Re: Major bug in iOS 11.1

[John JD Denning]

I just tried some links in an email I just received. They work as normal. Open 
up Safari and took me to the page.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 2, 2017, at 06:07, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
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> Try triple clicking on a link to open it instead.
> 
> 
> Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> The constantly barefooted Ray
> 
>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 9:25 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I don’t know if this has been present in Ios  11 since it’s inception, since 
>> I only just now upgraded. But the problem is that when you have links in an 
>> email which you need to use because they expand segments of the email, they 
>> don’t work. Two examples are the Blind Bargains newsletter and eight email 
>> that I get from my CSA. It’s a newsletter. And if I want to actually read 
>> the verious segments of this newsletter, I must be able to access these 
>> links and I can’t. Thank you Apple you screwed up again. I can’t imagine 
>> sighted people putting up with this crap. If you get emails that have links 
>> that you need to expand within the email, please write to Apple 
>> accessibility and urge them to fix this problem.
>> Mary
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Re: Major bug in iOS 11.1

[John JD Denning]

And so to be sure I understand. You’re talking about with in page links. So you 
open an email, there’s a link that drops you down to another part of the email. 
Rather than you open an email there’s a link that takes you to further content 
on the web.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 2, 2017, at 08:18, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> My issue isn’t with opening links that take me into Safari into the webpage. 
> That works. What doesn’t work, at least for me, are links with in an email 
> message that don’t actually open another page, but rather expand, for lack of 
> a better word, to let you see more text which then might include a link to 
> take you somewhere else. That expansion does not work anymore for me. I sent 
> sieghard a sample blind bargains newsletter, and will be curious to see if he 
> has the same problem.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2017, at 3:27 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> I am also able to open links as normal.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Nov 2, 2017, at 5:19 AM, John JD Denning  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just tried some links in an email I just received. They work as normal. 
>>> Open up Safari and took me to the page.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 2, 2017, at 06:07, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Try triple clicking on a link to open it instead.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
>>>> blind:
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> 
>>>> The constantly barefooted Ray
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 9:25 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don’t know if this has been present in Ios  11 since it’s inception, 
>>>>> since I only just now upgraded. But the problem is that when you have 
>>>>> links in an email which you need to use because they expand segments of 
>>>>> the email, they don’t work. Two examples are the Blind Bargains 
>>>>> newsletter and eight email that I get from my CSA. It’s a newsletter. And 
>>>>> if I want to actually read the verious segments of this newsletter, I 
>>>>> must be able to access these links and I can’t. Thank you Apple you 
>>>>> screwed up again. I can’t imagine sighted people putting up with this 
>>>>> crap. If you get emails that have links that you need to expand within 
>>>>> the email, please write to Apple accessibility and urge them to fix this 
>>>>> problem.
>>>>> Mary
>>>>> 
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Re: Major bug in iOS 11.1

[John JD Denning]

OK, I’m no help with that. I saw on the 11.1 release notes that was listed as 
fixed. But I don’t have any emails that would have in page links to test that 
with.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 2, 2017, at 09:29, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> That is correct. Within page links.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2017, at 6:25 AM, John JD Denning  wrote:
>> 
>> And so to be sure I understand. You’re talking about with in page links. So 
>> you open an email, there’s a link that drops you down to another part of the 
>> email. Rather than you open an email there’s a link that takes you to 
>> further content on the web.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 2, 2017, at 08:18, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My issue isn’t with opening links that take me into Safari into the 
>>> webpage. That works. What doesn’t work, at least for me, are links with in 
>>> an email message that don’t actually open another page, but rather expand, 
>>> for lack of a better word, to let you see more text which then might 
>>> include a link to take you somewhere else. That expansion does not work 
>>> anymore for me. I sent sieghard a sample blind bargains newsletter, and 
>>> will be curious to see if he has the same problem.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 2, 2017, at 3:27 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I am also able to open links as normal.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 2, 2017, at 5:19 AM, John JD Denning  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I just tried some links in an email I just received. They work as normal. 
>>>>> Open up Safari and took me to the page.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 2, 2017, at 06:07, Raymond Foret Jr  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Try triple clicking on a link to open it instead.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
>>>>>> blind:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The constantly barefooted Ray
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 9:25 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I don’t know if this has been present in Ios  11 since it’s inception, 
>>>>>>> since I only just now upgraded. But the problem is that when you have 
>>>>>>> links in an email which you need to use because they expand segments of 
>>>>>>> the email, they don’t work. Two examples are the Blind Bargains 
>>>>>>> newsletter and eight email that I get from my CSA. It’s a newsletter. 
>>>>>>> And if I want to actually read the verious segments of this newsletter, 
>>>>>>> I must be able to access these links and I can’t. Thank you Apple you 
>>>>>>> screwed up again. I can’t imagine sighted people putting up with this 
>>>>>>> crap. If you get emails that have links that you need to expand within 
>>>>>>> the email, please write to Apple accessibility and urge them to fix 
>>>>>>> this problem.
>>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>> 
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Magnifier?

[John JD Denning]

Greetings, I like the built in magnifier that you reach from the control panel. 
Does anybody know if there is another way to open it? So you don’t have to 
first open the control panel control center. A quick way to get Addit.

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Re: Magnifier?

[John JD Denning]

My apology, I assumed everybody would know what I’m thinking of. No I’m talking 
about the iPhone.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 18, 2017, at 11:33, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
> I’m assuming you mean settings if this is on a Mac?  If so, here are all the 
> keyboard shortcuts for Zoom:
> 
> Turn on- cmd+option+8. 
> Increase magnification-cmd+option +, or - to decrease. 
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>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 8:33 AM, John JD Denning  wrote:
>> 
>> Greetings, I like the built in magnifier that you reach from the control 
>> panel. Does anybody know if there is another way to open it? So you don’t 
>> have to first open the control panel control center. A quick way to get 
>> Addit.
>> 
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Re: Magnifier?

[John JD Denning]

Thanks, I’ll do that.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 18, 2017, at 11:47, Matthew Dierckens  wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> You can set up your accessibility shortcut to do both voiceover and magnifyer.
> Go to settings, general, accessibility, accessibility shortcut.
> 
> God bless.
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>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 09:33, John JD Denning  wrote:
>> 
>> Greetings, I like the built in magnifier that you reach from the control 
>> panel. Does anybody know if there is another way to open it? So you don’t 
>> have to first open the control panel control center. A quick way to get 
>> Addit.
>> 
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Re: Magnifier?

[John JD Denning]

Odd, I don’t have magnifier as a choice for the triple click. AssistiveTouch 
zoom invert colors voiceover and a few others, but no magnifier.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 18, 2017, at 11:52, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   The OP is talking about iOS which has a control center.
> 
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>> On 11/18/2017 8:47 AM, Matthew Dierckens wrote:
>> Hi John,
>> You can set up your accessibility shortcut to do both voiceover and 
>> magnifyer.
>> Go to settings, general, accessibility, accessibility shortcut.
>> God bless.
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>>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 09:33, John JD Denning >> <mailto:jdenning1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Greetings, I like the built in magnifier that you reach from the control 
>>> panel. Does anybody know if there is another way to open it? So you don’t 
>>> have to first open the control panel control center. A quick way to get 
>>> Addit.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Magnifier?

[John JD Denning]

No, not zoom. I mean magnifier, that uses the camera to magnify something. 
Turns your iOS device into a CCTV.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 18, 2017, at 12:04, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   You do mean Zoom, do you not?
> 
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>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
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>> On 11/18/2017 8:58 AM, John JD Denning wrote:
>> Odd, I don’t have magnifier as a choice for the triple click. AssistiveTouch 
>> zoom invert colors voiceover and a few others, but no magnifier.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 11:52, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   The OP is talking about iOS which has a control center.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>>> On 11/18/2017 8:47 AM, Matthew Dierckens wrote:
>>>> Hi John,
>>>> You can set up your accessibility shortcut to do both voiceover and 
>>>> magnifyer.
>>>> Go to settings, general, accessibility, accessibility shortcut.
>>>> God bless.
>>>> Matthew Dierckens
>>>> Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
>>>> Macintosh, IOS  and Windows Trainer
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>>>> Canadian Phone: 519-962-9140
>>>> U.S. phone: 573-401-1018
>>>> Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com <mailto:matt.dierck...@me.com>
>>>>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 09:33, John JD Denning >>>> <mailto:jdenning1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Greetings, I like the built in magnifier that you reach from the control 
>>>>> panel. Does anybody know if there is another way to open it? So you don’t 
>>>>> have to first open the control panel control center. A quick way to get 
>>>>> Addit.
>>>>> 
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Re: Magnifier?

[John JD Denning]

OK folks, this is weird! It was not in my accessibility shortcut list. I was 
not able to choose it. But I see why. You have to actually turn it on, enable 
it. Then that puts it in the list. You don’t selected from the list of other 
items you selected by turning it on. It’s not consistent with any of the other 
settings. But in any case I’ve got it in my triple click now.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 18, 2017, at 14:25, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Ahh ok and yes I see it in there now and yes its listed in the 
> Accessibility Shortcuts.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 11/18/2017 10:52 AM, John JD Denning wrote:
>> No, not zoom. I mean magnifier, that uses the camera to magnify something. 
>> Turns your iOS device into a CCTV.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 12:04, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   You do mean Zoom, do you not?
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>>> On 11/18/2017 8:58 AM, John JD Denning wrote:
>>>> Odd, I don’t have magnifier as a choice for the triple click. 
>>>> AssistiveTouch zoom invert colors voiceover and a few others, but no 
>>>> magnifier.
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 11:52, E.T.  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>   The OP is talking about iOS which has a control center.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>>>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>>>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>>>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 11/18/2017 8:47 AM, Matthew Dierckens wrote:
>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>> You can set up your accessibility shortcut to do both voiceover and 
>>>>>> magnifyer.
>>>>>> Go to settings, general, accessibility, accessibility shortcut.
>>>>>> God bless.
>>>>>> Matthew Dierckens
>>>>>> Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
>>>>>> Macintosh, IOS  and Windows Trainer
>>>>>> JAWS for windows Certified - 2016
>>>>>> Canadian Phone: 519-962-9140
>>>>>> U.S. phone: 573-401-1018
>>>>>> Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com <mailto:matt.dierck...@me.com>
>>>>>>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 09:33, John JD Denning >>>>>> <mailto:jdenning1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Greetings, I like the built in magnifier that you reach from the 
>>>>>>> control panel. Does anybody know if there is another way to open it? So 
>>>>>>> you don’t have to first open the control panel control center. A quick 
>>>>>>> way to get Addit.
>>>>>>> 
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Re: Reading EPUB books on the Mac

[John JD Denning]

Hi, I was recently turned onto voice dream. It works really well, it’s designed 
for visually impaired and dyslexic. It’s very customizable.

As far as notifications can’t really comment I don’t get too many notifications 
that interrupt.

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> On Nov 18, 2017, at 18:47, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Hi all. What are ways that listers read EPUB and other eBooks on the Mac? I 
> know about iBooks, but how usable is it with Voiceover and whole books? Also, 
> how do people deal with reading when notifications come in and stop voiceover 
> from reading further?
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Re: Reading EPUB books on the Mac

[John JD Denning]

And my apologies again. Yes clearly says Mac, and I was thinking iOS. I’ve read 
so many more books on my iPhone and iPad that I have on my back. On my Mac I 
have used iBooks. But I haven’t read for any length of time only look for parts 
of a document.

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> On Nov 18, 2017, at 20:14, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The iBooks app is very usable with VO.  Myself, I've turned off the 
> notifications for Mail so that all I hear is the ding, not the preview of the 
> message.  This has stopped the interruptions for me.  I guess I might still 
> get some iMessage interruptions, but I've decided to leave those enabled 
> since I usually find those I receive more important than the multitude of 
> eMails.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 18, 2017, at 17:26, John JD Denning  wrote:
> 
> Hi, I was recently turned onto voice dream. It works really well, it’s 
> designed for visually impaired and dyslexic. It’s very customizable.
> 
> As far as notifications can’t really comment I don’t get too many 
> notifications that interrupt.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 18:47, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all. What are ways that listers read EPUB and other eBooks on the Mac? I 
>> know about iBooks, but how usable is it with Voiceover and whole books? 
>> Also, how do people deal with reading when notifications come in and stop 
>> voiceover from reading further?
>> Devin Prater
>> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
>> JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World 
>> Services for the Blind
>> 
>> 
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Re: Software updates on iPhone.

[John JD Denning]

Hi, I don’t get notifications for app updates. I have a setting under 
notifications for the App Store to only give me temporary banners. But in there 
you could choose to have no notifications at all. So you can’t look at the 
settings for the App Store you have to go into notifications and then the 
settings for the App Store in there.

I hope that’s what you’re looking for.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 23, 2017, at 12:54, Maria Reyes  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> When you get the popup hit remind me later. I don't think there is a way that 
> you can turn it off totally.
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
> behalf of Stacey Robinson 
> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 10:47:05 AM
> To: Macvisionaries
> Subject: Software updates on iPhone.
>  
> Can anyone tell me if there’s a way to tell your iPhone SE not to alert you 
> to software updates?
> I’d rather check for them manually.
> 
> Peace,
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Re: Is There a Bug in the Watch OS Timer App?

[John JD Denning]

Interesting, I’ve never experienced any such problems with the timer. And I use 
it daily, often multiple times a day. The most common way that I started though 
is with Siri. Though I have done custom timers and selected one of the already 
pre-defined timer buttons. Good luck on tracking that down. I hope somebody has 
an idea.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 27, 2017, at 13:57, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Yesterday, I attempted, without success, to set a custom countdown time via
> the timer app, on my Apple Watch running the latest OS.
> 
> Try as I may, I could not activate the Start button as it remained, dimmed.
> 
> 
> Steps to reproduce:
> 
> 1.
> Using the Timer Complication, launch the Timer app.
> 
> 2.
> Select Custom.
> 
> 3.
> Set any time interval and attempt to activate the Start button.
> 
> Can anyone reproduce this bug?
> 
> Perhaps it has already been posted to the list?
> 
> Thank you,
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Re: Steps to fix the pointer not following VoiceOver cursor.

[John JD Denning]

I see what you mean about following the message. Thanks for sharing that. So is 
Apple admitting that there is some bug, or unexpected behavior that maybe they 
will resolve the future update?

When I use Numbers, I constantly have the cursors lose each other. So I have to 
do voiceover at five to bring them all back together.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 31, 2017, at 20:10, Gerry Cook  wrote:
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> Hi Mike and e.t. I got this message from bryan an apple adviser about how to 
> fix the bug with the mouse pointer and the voiceover cursor I hope you can 
> understand how it came out when he wrote the message as he said it came from 
> an apple server. hope it helps in some way. All the best. 
> cheers gerry have a nice day
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>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: Bryan Neher 
>> Subject: Steps to fix the pointer not following VoiceOver cursor.
>> Date: 16 November 2017 at 10:59:30 pm AEDT
>> To: gerrycoo...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Hi Gerry,
>> 
>>  Here are the steps to temporarily resolve the issue with the pointer 
>> not following the voiceover cursor in Sierra.
>> 
>> 
>> To get the VoiceOver cursor to start following the mouse pointer again you 
>> have to toggle the setting in a specific order. This will resolve the issue 
>> temporarily until the Mac is restarted or VoiceOver is disabled.
>>  
>> 1) Go into VoiceOver Utility > Navigation.
>> 2) Put a checkmark next to "Synchronize keyboard focus and VoiceOver cursor".
>> 3) Click on the Mouse pointer: pop-up menu and re-select "Moves VoiceOver 
>> cursor" (even if it is already selected).
>> 4) Remove the checkmark next to "Synchronize keyboard focus and VoiceOver 
>> cursor".
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Bryan Neher
>> Applecare Senior Advisor
>> WW Accessibility
>> bne...@apple.com
>> 1-877-416-4271 ext. 1138937
>> Sunday, Monday, Friday and Saturday 3:00 AM - 1:00 PM CDT
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Re: Seeking Tutorial on Numbers or Microsoft XL

[John JD Denning]

I’d also be interested in such a tutorial. As well for other apps and just the 
OS with voiceover. I’m using my Mac and getting things done. But I really would 
like to learn more and be a power user.

I’m speaking up to Torio specific to voiceover. I’m down with the Mac.


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> On Jan 11, 2018, at 13:31, Des Delgadillo  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> I’ve gotten quite used to Numbers because of work, but I’m far from a power 
> user. I’d certainly like to change that.
> 
> Does anyone know of a tutorial that will acquaint me with all the necessary 
> shortcuts and functions available in either Apple numbers or Microsoft XL? I 
> have both on my Mac and just want to master one or both. I was particularly 
> fond of Ann Robertson’s E-Book on Pages and wonder if something similar 
> exists for Numbers?
> 
> Any direction is super appreciated.
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> Best,
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Reference books for Apple accessibility?

[John JD Denning]

Hi all, are there any books, documents to help learning all the voiceover in 
accessibility features for both the Apple Watch, and the Mack OS? I’m aware of 
a book written for iOS.

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Recipe apps and sites?

[John JD Denning]

Greetings all, for years I enjoyed using the all recipes website and app. I 
particularly like their app on my iPad. But that was when I had a lot more 
eyesight. Now using voice over their new app really stinks. It’s not fun to use 
at all. Lots of unlabeled buttons and links.

Is anybody familiar with a recipe

App that works well with VoiceOver?

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Re: 3-Finger Quadruple Tap

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Hi, what are you do is either delete anything extra after I paste it. Or if 
that doesn’t work for some reason I’ll go through the extra step of first 
pasting it into just a note, so I have a text, and then delete the extra 
characters there, and then re-copy just what I want.

I don’t think there’s any other way to do it.

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> On Feb 14, 2018, at 12:08, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
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> Hi, 
> Since this feature is only a VO feature, it is meant to copy all of the text 
> VO just spoke. That would include links, table messages, etc. I just delete 
> the extra stuff after I paste it into the app.
> Aleeha 
> 
>> On Feb 14, 2018, at 10:34 AM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
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>> When reading ME-mail message with a code that needs to be copied into a 
>> field for another app, the three finger quadruple tap seems to drag along 
>> extraneous data. For example, a friend of mine got a gift code from Amazon 
>> and when she tried to copy it to the Paste board she also got “table end.“
>> 
>> does anybody know a way to eliminate including the element label in this 
>> procedure?
>> - Sent from Bill's iPhone 6 (iOS 11.2.5) via iCloud
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Re: 3-Finger Quadruple Tap

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The reasonable solution from Apple would be a verbosity setting that doesn’t 
read element labels. There are times that I would turn the reading of them off. 
Like reading lots of emails that I just want to read from start to finish and 
they have so many tables just to place their graphics in. I would love to just 
read through without all that information but then be able to turn it back on 
easily when I need it.

Sent from my iPhone

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> inconvenient.  It would be helpful if Apple were able to offer a toggle to 
> silence the inclusion of element labels so this gesture could copy only the 
> desired information into the paste-board.
> 
> Now, I fully understand that this likely will not happen.  Software design, 
> implementation and testing activity would probably prove too costly, but one 
> can always dream; right? 
> 
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Re: Mark on HomePod

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Well, congrats on the HomePod. If you’re in the Apple ecosystem as I am, I 
think you’ll really like it. In fact that’s probably why they’re urging people 
to take it home and give it a try, many more are liking it then not. Are used 
to use my AirPods for listening to podcasts while I was working, it was easier 
to pause and resume them then it was from my iPhone. But now I’ve been using 
the HomePod I love it. I don’t regret my purchase at all. I hope you enjoy.

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> On Feb 15, 2018, at 21:10, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> 
> Well, first let me thank you for your replies.  I really do enjoy a good
> technology discussion.
> 
> Second, today I went to my local Apple Store and purchased the space gray
> HomePod.  
> 
> What I found interesting is that, at this location, anyway, they were really
> pushing the device.  In fact, the sale rep stated several times, "Well, buy
> it and if you don't like it, just bring it back."  I was a bit surprised at
> this.  
> 
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> reps were talking to people and expressing the same sentiment.  In fact,
> their somewhat pushy demeanor almost turned me off my purchase but, as I did
> not have a digital assistant, I decided to add HomePod to my Apple family of
> products.  
> 
> As for the ring residue problem?  I purchased a 3-dollar mouse pad to place
> under the unit.  
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> weekend.
> 
> Mark
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Re: Has anyone noticed Siri getting exponentially worse?

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Are use dictation quite a bit. Every day. On my iPhone as I’m doing now, and 
out on my HomePod. And I have very, very little problem with it. Sometimes when 
Siri fumbles, I know it’s because I did.
I’ve not done any, editing on this message. It’s all straight dictation.


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> I have noticed that when dictating to Siri on my iPhone X, the recognition is 
> absolutely terrible!  I spend much more time correcting dictation than I ever 
> used to.  Just wondering if anyone else--either using a X or not--has noticed 
> the same thing?
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Re: Major Numbers Issue Question

[John JD Denning]

The only thing I can think of off the top of my head is make sure you don’t 
have any filters active. If you’re doing any filtering you can’t type in there. 
Turn off the filtering and you should be able to.

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> Hey All,
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> Not sure if this is device specific. I am running the latest build of High 
> Sierra and Numbers. And Numbers will not allow me to type anything in the 
> Column header rows. I am talking about the first row going down vertically. 
> Anyone else having this issue? Thanks, 
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Re: installing Homekit devices

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No, I found it to be an incredibly easy process. I have about 13 different 
HomeKit devices. And they have all paired very easily. Just the scan of a code.

The only part of the process that I couldn’t take care of myself. Was to select 
an appropriate icon to go with the device.

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> My husband and I just purchased a OneLink smoke alarm, hoping to be able to 
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> Homekit allowed me to be able to interact with the alarm.  The short version 
> of our story is that we've spent all morning trying to get it to work.  We 
> finally got the smoke alarm working, but after four hours and two calls to 
> tech support, never got it paired with Homekit.  I'm just wondering if those 
> of you who use Homekit for other devices usually have this much trouble 
> getting devices set up?  We're returning the smoke alarm and just going with 
> a cheap one, and giving up have it work with Homekit.  But I would like to 
> use it for other devices, so would like to know if people generally find 
> devices hard to set up.
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Re: installing Homekit devices

[John JD Denning]

Eve has announced a smoke alarm. I’m considering getting theirs once it’s 
released. I have a number of Eva switches, and motion to tactor, and they work 
beautifully, and were a snap to set up.

Sent from my iPhone

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> We purchased the same smoke alarm. Unlike other HomeKit devices we have, this 
> particular device is extremely difficult to set up and use. It took us a few 
> hours to get both devices working properly together. I do not recommend this 
> smoke alarm.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> 
> 
>> On 17 Dec 2018, at 05:42, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> My husband and I just purchased a OneLink smoke alarm, hoping to be able to 
>> pair it with HomeKit.  It cost $250, but we figured it was worth it if 
>> Homekit allowed me to be able to interact with the alarm.  The short version 
>> of our story is that we've spent all morning trying to get it to work.  We 
>> finally got the smoke alarm working, but after four hours and two calls to 
>> tech support, never got it paired with Homekit.  I'm just wondering if those 
>> of you who use Homekit for other devices usually have this much trouble 
>> getting devices set up?  We're returning the smoke alarm and just going with 
>> a cheap one, and giving up have it work with Homekit.  But I would like to 
>> use it for other devices, so would like to know if people generally find 
>> devices hard to set up.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: Curious things since the last watch update.

[John JD Denning]

Hello, I have the latest watchOS, and a fourth generation Wi-Fi only watch. I 
have not experienced any issues like you describe. I seldom open the Watch app 
on my phone. Only if I need to actually set something in there that I can’t do 
otherwise.

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> On Jan 2, 2019, at 08:49, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi, Kawal,
> 
> I have the watch app on my phone, but I do not usually have it open.  And I 
> have not experienced the things you describe.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jan 2, 2019, at 4:02 AM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Hello.
>> 
>> Since the last watch OS update, my Apple watch four has been doing funny 
>> things and am wondering if anyone else has been experiencing this.
>> 
>> My watch at times is starting very slowly when I reboot the watch. When it 
>> does that, certain applications such as the breathe or heart rate isn't 
>> there. All I have is a space with nothing in it. Then if the watch reboots 
>> as normal, the applications appear. I was told to have the watch app running 
>> on my I phone but so far I haven't done that yet.
>> 
>> Do others have their watch app running on their I phone or like me I don't 
>> bother starting the watch app.
>> 
>> Thank you. 
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Reddit

[John JD Denning]

Greetings, anyone useReddit? 

I’m using their app, and if you use it you know it has lots of voiceover 
issues. But I can read things and even reply to specific threads. But what I 
don’t see how to do is to start a thread. Can that be done in the iPhone app 
via voice over?

Thanks

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Re: Reddit

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I don’t see it in the App Store. How does one get it? Sounds great.

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> On Feb 3, 2019, at 16:08, Des Delgadillo  wrote:
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> Look into Dystopia for Reddit. It's an app still in beta but I use it every 
> day and it's phenomenal. It was designed with VO in mind and makes strong use 
> of rotor actions to perform tasks in the app. 
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>> Greetings, anyone useReddit? 
>> 
>> I’m using their app, and if you use it you know it has lots of voiceover 
>> issues. But I can read things and even reply to specific threads. But what I 
>> don’t see how to do is to start a thread. Can that be done in the iPhone app 
>> via voice over?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
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Re: Reddit

[John JD Denning]

Thanks, looking forward to it.

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> On Feb 4, 2019, at 12:34, Des Delgadillo  wrote:
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> Hey there,
> 
> Right now it’s only in Beta. You can sign up at this Google form link to 
> receive additional info on how to install the beta. 
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScx1k4hxB6mN6P9KFzfYjZKn4JaCP_pPp3XuFxJ0UPnQFsz8w/viewform
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> HTH,
> 
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> 
>> On Feb 3, 2019, at 1:21 PM, John JD Denning  wrote:
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>> I don’t see it in the App Store. How does one get it? Sounds great.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2019, at 16:08, Des Delgadillo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Look into Dystopia for Reddit. It's an app still in beta but I use it every 
>>> day and it's phenomenal. It was designed with VO in mind and makes strong 
>>> use of rotor actions to perform tasks in the app. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 3, 2019, at 11:48 AM, John JD Denning  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Greetings, anyone useReddit? 
>>>> 
>>>> I’m using their app, and if you use it you know it has lots of voiceover 
>>>> issues. But I can read things and even reply to specific threads. But what 
>>>> I don’t see how to do is to start a thread. Can that be done in the iPhone 
>>>> app via voice over?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Apple Pay

[John JD Denning]

The last two times when I set up my new iPhone and I did a restore from my 
secure iTunes back up I believe all I had to enter was the security code. I 
didn’t have to completely re-enter the card data. What if you’re back up at 
your restoring from is in iCloud then I believe you have to enter everything.

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>   Whenever the Apple ID password is changed, one must set up Apple Pay again. 
> I'm curious to know if its possible to do this without need to manually enter 
> the information on the iPhone.
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Smart thermostat

[John JD Denning]

Hello all, I’ve had a nest thermostat for years, the original version. I’d like 
to change it out with something that’s HomeKit compatible. Anybody out there 
use a homekit, or other smart thermostat? I’d be very interested in your 
opinion on accessibility both of the app, and the device itself.

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Re: Smart thermostat

[John JD Denning]

Yes, that’s definitely on my shortlist. The problem is I’ve not actually heard 
from anybody who is really used it. Would love to get some first-hand accounts. 
I downloaded their app. Of course I can’t really do anything with it. But all 
their set up instructions seem to be very usable. And often that’s not the 
case. So hopes are high.

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> I don't know about its accessibility, but the Eco B4 has come highly 
> recommended, and it is supposed to be HomeKit compatible.  It's what we're 
> going to look at when we replace our Nest.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
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>> Hello all, I’ve had a nest thermostat for years, the original version. I’d 
>> like to change it out with something that’s HomeKit compatible. Anybody out 
>> there use a homekit, or other smart thermostat? I’d be very interested in 
>> your opinion on accessibility both of the app, and the device itself.
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Re: question about Clean my MacX

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Good to know, thanks. I am also interested in getting it.

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> On Mar 1, 2019, at 12:09, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   Woks fine for me. It is a  but different from the prior version but its 
> accessible.
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>> On 3/1/2019 9:05 AM, Raymond Foret Jr wrote:
>> Just wondering if anybody out here uses CleanMyMacX and how accessible it 
>> is.  Many advanced thanks.
>> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
>> blind:
>> Sincerely,
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Re: thoughts on iPhone XR?

[John JD Denning]

Hi, I have the XR, and love it. I love the face ID. It’s very fast, and very 
convenient. I like the size of the phone I like everything about it. Can’t 
think of any drawbacks whatsoever. My wife has the 10 S, and it’s just smaller 
than I like. Hig

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> I know that some of you out there have the iPhone XR.  How do you like it?  
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Re: thoughts on iPhone XR?

[John JD Denning]

The EXR does indeed have stereo speakers. They work just fine. Though I seldom 
listen to stereo music from the speakers it does work. Really the differences 
are the camera in the screen. And I can’t see the difference in the screen 
between my EXR and my wife’s ex S.

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> On Mar 3, 2019, at 11:32, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Thanks, Anders.  That's strange about it not having a stereo speaker.  I'm 
> glad you mentioned it, I just assumed that would come on all the phones.  I 
> have sort of gotten used to it, guess I'll have to think about how much that 
> matters.
> 
> Thanks for responding.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Mar 3, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Well, so far i do like it more than my old Android phone.
>> BUt yeah i wish it could been smaller.
>> I sometimes have problems unlocking the phone with faceId as its to fast.
>> They say this beast is having good battery power and yes it has but it could 
>> be a lot better i think in regards to how big it is and the Lcd display.
>> But i am no engineering so what do i know?
>> Its a hole lot better than my Iphone Se though.
>> There is no stereo speaker which from my perspective is not a problem but 
>> you should be aware of that if you’re getting used to that.
>> But the sound of VoiceOver is really great even though i think it sounds a 
>> bit boxy or something like that.
>> You’re always welcome to ask questions about it if you have any.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 2 mars 2019 kl. 15:10 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I know that some of you out there have the iPhone XR.  How do you like it?  
>>> Anything you don't like?
>>> 
>>> I had planned to skip upgrading this year, but I just got an offer from 
>>> Apple to buy an XR for $249 if I trade in my iPhone X.  It's tempting.  And 
>>> it'd be a lot cheaper than whatever upgrading when next fall's phones come 
>>> out will be, so I'm kind of thinking about it.
>>> 
>>> One specific thing I'm curious about is the improved face ID.  I don't like 
>>> it on the X, but have read that it is faster on the newer phones.  Does 
>>> anyone have experience with this?  Also, how is the feel?  I've read that 
>>> it's wider, and that's something I don't really need.
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Got my space on the harddisk back.

[John JD Denning]

I just purchased the app after we were talking about it a week or so ago. I 
love it! I can’t believe the crap that I cleaned out of my system. Stuff from 
way back in Tygart days, 10.4. I wasn’t having any problems with my Mac. But it 
sure was nice to clean out really old extensions and a lot of deadwood.

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> On Mar 9, 2019, at 10:25, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   Sometimes one must take those reviews with a grain of salt. I run the app 
> weekly, have been for probably 3-4 years;
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>> On 3/9/2019 5:19 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>> Hi!
>> I read bad reviews on clean my mac x here in Sweden.
>> But i seldom use clean my mac as my computer normally works quet well anyway.
>> /A
>>> 8 mars 2019 kl. 23:29 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>>   The trash is always the suspect when space seems to be in short supply. 
>>> If CleanMyMac is not dumping trash then I would go look at it and find out 
>>> why its not doing it. I use the app al the time and ti never fails.
>>> 
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>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
 On 3/8/2019 12:45 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
 Hi!
 I really don’t know what i actually did but it seems that i got the 
 missing space back on my macintosh hd.
 Today i had only 45 Gig left and now i have 453 gig left.
 It seems that when i i opened the trash folder i found that it was not 
 empty so i emtying the trash and seem to have made the trick.
 So i did this manually and not with the cleanmymac app which i have done 
 this with before.
 Seems i can’t rely on that app much.
 But i am really happy now to have all this space back.
 /A
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Re: apple watch heart rate

[John JD Denning]

I believe if you go into your Watch app and the settings for work out choose 
multiple metric and then go to the work out you want heart rate for. You can 
add heart rate as one of the metrics. I think if you do that it will show the 
heart rate as you’re working out.

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> On Mar 16, 2019, at 17:27, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hello.
> 
> When you are exercising, the Apple Watch will not say what your heart rate 
> is. You need to stop and have a look for it on the screen of the watch. So 
> maybe that might not be a solution for you. I may be wrong, but are use my 
> watch on a daily basis to walk on my treadmill. I have to look for my heart 
> rate to see what it is each time I want to find out. It is not very difficult 
> but you need to stop what you are doing to do this. Maybe someone else will 
> have a suggestion for you. Thank you.
> 
> Kawal.
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>> On 16 Mar 2019, at 12:39 am, John Weir  wrote:
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>> I am Vickie Weir, I originally spent four years during the development of 
>> Voice over testing voice over for Apple with a group of about 20 of us.  Any 
>> way, I am interested in using the apple watch 4  to monitor my pulse rate 
>> while I exercise.  I am totally blind.   I would like the watch to say, on 
>> Bluetooth, to my ear phone what the heart rate is, on a constant basis, as I 
>> exercise.  I am 52 years old and have to keep it under certain limits.
>> 
>> Have any of you used it this way, I know that the watch can measure the 
>> heart rate, but since I cant see I need to hear the result.  Can siri be 
>> used? and I cant be searching all over the watch while exercising.
>> 
>> Thanks for any help I can get.  Vickie
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Re: apple watch heart rate

[John JD Denning]

If it’s there, and I’m pretty sure it will be, you’ll have to activate the 
watch and flick through it. If I’m walking I have no problem doing that. But if 
I was running or many other other sports that might be difficult.

Hope it works, let us know. And I said it that way now on my watch so I’ll 
probably play with it as well.

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> On Mar 16, 2019, at 18:27, John Weir  wrote:
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> But if it shows it as I am doing it since I cant see, how do I know.  Can i 
> ask seri what my rate is or can seri keep sending me the rate by bluetooth so 
> I can wear a bluetooth ear piece? thanks  Vickie
> 
>> On 3/16/19 5:08 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Thanks for that, I have now done as you have said and I will see what 
>> happens tomorrow. Just as an experiment.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On 16 Mar 2019, at 9:35 pm, John JD Denning  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I believe if you go into your Watch app and the settings for work out 
>>> choose multiple metric and then go to the work out you want heart rate for. 
>>> You can add heart rate as one of the metrics. I think if you do that it 
>>> will show the heart rate as you’re working out.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 16, 2019, at 17:27, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello.
>>>> 
>>>> When you are exercising, the Apple Watch will not say what your heart rate 
>>>> is. You need to stop and have a look for it on the screen of the watch. So 
>>>> maybe that might not be a solution for you. I may be wrong, but are use my 
>>>> watch on a daily basis to walk on my treadmill. I have to look for my 
>>>> heart rate to see what it is each time I want to find out. It is not very 
>>>> difficult but you need to stop what you are doing to do this. Maybe 
>>>> someone else will have a suggestion for you. Thank you.
>>>> 
>>>> Kawal.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On 16 Mar 2019, at 12:39 am, John Weir  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am Vickie Weir, I originally spent four years during the development of 
>>>>> Voice over testing voice over for Apple with a group of about 20 of us.  
>>>>> Any way, I am interested in using the apple watch 4  to monitor my pulse 
>>>>> rate while I exercise.  I am totally blind.   I would like the watch to 
>>>>> say, on Bluetooth, to my ear phone what the heart rate is, on a constant 
>>>>> basis, as I exercise.  I am 52 years old and have to keep it under 
>>>>> certain limits.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Have any of you used it this way, I know that the watch can measure the 
>>>>> heart rate, but since I cant see I need to hear the result.  Can siri be 
>>>>> used? and I cant be searching all over the watch while exercising.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for any help I can get.  Vickie
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Re: Web page loaded sound not playing?

[John JD Denning]

I updated my iMac right when the update came out. I just this morning had that 
symptom. I was on a website, went to a new page in the audio cut out. I quit 
Safari and opened it again and the Audi was back and didn’t give me any more 
problems that session.

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> On Mar 29, 2019, at 10:46, Matt Turner  wrote:
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> Hi folks.
> I just updated to the latest version of the OS.
> using Safari, the sound use to play when a page was loaded.
> I don't think I changed any sound settings in VO.
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Re: Homekit not showing up in settings, and how do I add another person to our Home

[John JD Denning]

It’s in the Home app. The add and edit homes  button on the top left

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> Hi all,
> 
> so I have two questions that are part of the same issue.  I'm trying to add 
> my husband to our home in Homekit.  I read online that this is done in 
> settings.  But when I go into settings, Home doesn't show up.  I looked 
> through all my apps, and also under general.  Where is Homekit in Settings?
> 
> Second, if it isn't in settings, then the information on iMore was wrong.  
> How do I give my husband access to our home?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Homekit not showing up in settings, and how do I add another person to our Home

[John JD Denning]

I’ve not had any items that I had to manually enter a code. Everything has been 
a code that you just scan. Just point the camera at it you don’t even have to 
have it right side up. Unless I’ve been so darn lucky that they’ve always been 
right side up.

Here is the Apple website.
https://www.apple.com/ios/home/accessories/


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> Hey ET,
> 
> If you google Compatible products with Apple Home, one result you'll get is 
> an Apple page that lists compatible products.
> 
> One product that my husband and I have been particularly happy with is the 
> Wemo smart plug.  You plug it into an outlet, and you can control all kinds 
> of stuff with it.  It's also very easy to pair with HomeKit because you don't 
> have to enter a code.  Many of the other products require you to enter a 
> code, so you will need sighted assistance to set them up.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 11:17 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  Just have to ask, how does one research products that are compatible with 
>> HomeKit? It may be time I check it out.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>>> On 3/31/2019 8:14 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Thanks, John and Tim.  That did it.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 9:22 AM, John JD Denning  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It’s in the Home app. The add and edit homes  button on the top left
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 09:29, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> so I have two questions that are part of the same issue.  I'm trying to 
>>>>> add my husband to our home in Homekit.  I read online that this is done 
>>>>> in settings.  But when I go into settings, Home doesn't show up.  I 
>>>>> looked through all my apps, and also under general.  Where is Homekit in 
>>>>> Settings?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Second, if it isn't in settings, then the information on iMore was wrong. 
>>>>>  How do I give my husband access to our home?
>>>>> TIA,
>>>>> Donna
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Re: Change in Apple Watch behavior

[John JD Denning]

Another possibility is that it is easy to inadvertently turn on auto speak on a 
complication. If you move to a complication and you swipe up for the various 
actions one of them is an able auto speak. I’ve accidentally turned it on on 
some items in the past.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 13, 2019, at 11:51, Brett Campbell  wrote:
> 
> I have switched watch faces without realizing it, the watch face may have 
> more complications. Just my experience.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 13, 2019, at 8:32 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Since waking up this morning, my watch has begun announcing the time, my 
>> activity status and the temperature when I tap it.  It used to just speak 
>> the time and the temperature.  I'm not sure why it changed.  Does anyone 
>> know if there is a way to control what VO speaks on the watch when you tap 
>> it?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Change in Apple Watch behavior

[John JD Denning]

Hmm... I see that you solve that, but I’ll go ahead and answer in case others 
run into this. Because I know I’ve done it more than once. If I flick left and 
right I move between my complications and the watch face. So the way I have 
mine set up tap once and it’s the time flick left once he goes to activity 
flicker left again and I got a battery when it says battery if I flick up he 
goes into the various actions the first one being enable auto speak

I have five complications on my watch face. I hope that helps somebody. Just 
like an iOS, sometimes I change the language when I don’t intend to. I get the 
rotor change the language when I think it’s on something else. All part of the 
fun.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 13, 2019, at 14:05, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi, John,
> 
> This sounds like it could be the problem, but I seem to be missing something. 
>  When I swipe up, it just moves me to the next complication.  Am I leaving 
> out a step?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
>> On Apr 13, 2019, at 12:59 PM, John JD Denning  wrote:
>> 
>> Another possibility is that it is easy to inadvertently turn on auto speak 
>> on a complication. If you move to a complication and you swipe up for the 
>> various actions one of them is an able auto speak. I’ve accidentally turned 
>> it on on some items in the past.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 13, 2019, at 11:51, Brett Campbell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have switched watch faces without realizing it, the watch face may have 
>>> more complications. Just my experience.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 13, 2019, at 8:32 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> Since waking up this morning, my watch has begun announcing the time, my 
>>>> activity status and the temperature when I tap it.  It used to just speak 
>>>> the time and the temperature.  I'm not sure why it changed.  Does anyone 
>>>> know if there is a way to control what VO speaks on the watch when you tap 
>>>> it?
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Donna
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Re: Change in Apple Watch behavior

[John JD Denning]

That’s something. I wonder why the difference. Because to me the behavior is 
just like on the phone you flick left and right through the screen to go to 
different elements and up and down to choose specific actions on those 
elements. Odd.

Probably to do with a different watch faces. I’m using I believe it’s the 
utility analog face very stark face basically just the hands and then up to 
five complications.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 13, 2019, at 15:32, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey John,
> 
> Not sure how we got set up differently, but mine's the reverse.  Flicking up 
> and down takes me through the complications, flicking left and right takes me 
> through the different options.
> 
> Thanks for the help, though, I wouldn't have thought of this had you not 
> suggested it.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Apr 13, 2019, at 2:04 PM, John JD Denning  wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm... I see that you solve that, but I’ll go ahead and answer in case 
>> others run into this. Because I know I’ve done it more than once. If I flick 
>> left and right I move between my complications and the watch face. So the 
>> way I have mine set up tap once and it’s the time flick left once he goes to 
>> activity flicker left again and I got a battery when it says battery if I 
>> flick up he goes into the various actions the first one being enable auto 
>> speak
>> 
>> I have five complications on my watch face. I hope that helps somebody. Just 
>> like an iOS, sometimes I change the language when I don’t intend to. I get 
>> the rotor change the language when I think it’s on something else. All part 
>> of the fun.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 13, 2019, at 14:05, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, John,
>>> 
>>> This sounds like it could be the problem, but I seem to be missing 
>>> something.  When I swipe up, it just moves me to the next complication.  Am 
>>> I leaving out a step?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 13, 2019, at 12:59 PM, John JD Denning  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Another possibility is that it is easy to inadvertently turn on auto speak 
>>>> on a complication. If you move to a complication and you swipe up for the 
>>>> various actions one of them is an able auto speak. I’ve accidentally 
>>>> turned it on on some items in the past.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 13, 2019, at 11:51, Brett Campbell  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have switched watch faces without realizing it, the watch face may have 
>>>>> more complications. Just my experience.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2019, at 8:32 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Since waking up this morning, my watch has begun announcing the time, my 
>>>>>> activity status and the temperature when I tap it.  It used to just 
>>>>>> speak the time and the temperature.  I'm not sure why it changed.  Does 
>>>>>> anyone know if there is a way to control what VO speaks on the watch 
>>>>>> when you tap it?
>>>>>> TIA,
>>>>>> Donna
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Re: earpods gen 2

[John JD Denning]

Probably the easiest way maybe the only way, is to check the battery status in 
the notification area on your phone. That not only shows that it’s charging but 
I’ll give you the exact percentage of where it’s at.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 16, 2019, at 23:24, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi list,
>  
> Just wondering if anyone else that has the earpods gen 2  has any thoughts on 
> how to know if your pods are charging wirelessly and even more so
> How to know if they are fully charged?
>  
> The little LED on the  front really doesn’t do it for me.
>  
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Apple TV Amazon app?

[John JD Denning]

Hello all, I have an Apple TV fourth generation, and the Amazon app. Whenever I 
start the Amazon app the voice changes completely. Totally different voice 
settings, and it Hass to tell me how to use the app. And there is no way to 
shut up that preamble. At least that icy.

Does anybody know, are there settings for the Amazon app speech? And my big 
hands find using a rotor on the 80 bitty remote less than easy. Any tips or 
advice appreciated.

Thanks

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Re: Apple TV Amazon app?

[John JD Denning]

Thanks, I’ll give that a try. Good idea.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2018, at 14:31, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:
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> John,
>  
> Regarding the voice changing I’m not sure what might be causing that. So far 
> as the preamble of directions, I think that if you turn off hints that might 
> correct the annoying rambling in the Amazon app. There is a roter, at least 
> on my Apple TV, and turning on/off hints is one of the items I can dial to 
> and the flick up/down to change it from on/off.
>  
> HTH.
>  
> Eileen
>  
> From: John JD Denning
> Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2018 1:15 PM
> To: Mac Visionaries
> Subject: Apple TV Amazon app?
>  
> Hello all, I have an Apple TV fourth generation, and the Amazon app. Whenever 
> I start the Amazon app the voice changes completely. Totally different voice 
> settings, and it Hass to tell me how to use the app. And there is no way to 
> shut up that preamble. At least that icy.
> 
> Does anybody know, are there settings for  the Amazon app speech? And my big 
> hands find using a rotor on the 80 bitty remote less than easy. Any tips or 
> advice appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> 
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Re: watch os 5 weirdness

[John JD Denning]

I haven’t noticed that specifically. But I did have one weirdness. I wasn’t 
able to change VoiceOver volume with two finger tap and swipe. I turned off the 
watch and when I turned it back on everything work properly.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2018, at 06:13, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> HI Listers,
> 
> So I've installed watch os 5 to my series 2 watch and suddenly I've got a 
> couple of missing apps from the modula complication on the watch,
> 
> 
> When I look at the watch face the  top left and bottom right complications 
> are not showing,
> 
> Vo says there should be something in their places but nothing is actually 
> saying it's there.
> And I can't get any action from the space that is left,
> 
> Yet when I go in to customise the display it says that just press record and 
> HR monitor should be in those positions 
> 
> Has anyone else noticed anything like this?
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Re: watch os 5 weirdness

[John JD Denning]

You probably have already done this, but just a thought.

Remove those complications from the face, restart the watch, and then add those 
complications back. Sometimes just kicking something gets things back in order.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2018, at 03:11, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Yeah I've still got a missing name to just press record in the top left,
> And surprisingly the HR monitor from apples complications 
> 
> It's on the top left and bottom right that are simply not  speaking the names 
> of those complications 
> 
> Weird and surprising that it's happening on the utility face also.
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> Behalf Of John JD Denning
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 September 2018 1:55 AM
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> Subject: Re: watch os 5 weirdness
> 
> I haven’t noticed that specifically. But I did have one weirdness. I wasn’t 
> able to change VoiceOver volume with two finger tap and swipe. I turned off 
> the watch and when I turned it back on everything work properly.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Sep 18, 2018, at 06:13, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> HI Listers,
>> 
>> So I've installed watch os 5 to my series 2 watch and suddenly I've got a 
>> couple of missing apps from the modula complication on the watch,
>> 
>> 
>> When I look at the watch face the  top left and bottom right complications 
>> are not showing,
>> 
>> Vo says there should be something in their places but nothing is actually 
>> saying it's there.
>> And I can't get any action from the space that is left,
>> 
>> Yet when I go in to customise the display it says that just press record and 
>> HR monitor should be in those positions 
>> 
>> Has anyone else noticed anything like this?
>> 
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Re: Dealbreaker alert!

[John JD Denning]

Hello, there is so much we have to learn about the Siri Shortcuts app. I’ve 
successfully crazy hated a couple of fairly complex ones. But I’d like to do 
more with it.

Regarding at returning to the Siri Shortcuts app. I think that depends on your 
last action. I have a script that the last thing it does is open an app it 
opens that app and stops there. It does not return to the Shortcuts app. What 
if your last action was something that runs internally to the shortcuts a half, 
then it stops there with the Shortcuts app having focus.

They could easily fix this I have an action to go to home screen. But I don’t 
see any such action.

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> On Sep 21, 2018, at 06:36, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I have encountered what i think is a big deal breaker for the shortccuts app 
> unless i have misunderstood  something here.
> When i add a customized shortcut to Siri and run it from the home screen or 
> anywhere else outside the shortcuts app, Siri runs the shortcut as expected, 
> but leaves the shortcuts app open in the foreground, so you have to close the 
> app yourself when the shortcut is run.
> Why would it do that?
> I thought that Siri would run the short cut and then jump me back to the home 
> screen or wherever i am when asking Siri to fire off the shortcut, otherwise 
> what’s the point of customizing shortcuts so it can be run by Siri? 
> I mean, i don’t want to see the shortcuts editor after having run a 
> customized shortcut, i want to be back in the work flow of my iPhone
> Is this the expected behaviour and if so can i change it so that it can be 
> run without me seeing the shortcuts editor afterwards?
> /Krister
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