Re: Checking the battery level on my new MacBook

[Kaare Dehard]

Hi, the way I do it is I press the BOM key twice This gets me into the status 
menu. I then use the left and right arrows to walk through the items, and one 
of them is battery level. It will give you the percentage and whether it’s 
charging or not. Hope this helps.
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> On Oct 1, 2024, at 10:54 AM, Brian Hansen  wrote:
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> Is there a voice-Over command key combo I can use to find out the battery 
> status of my MacBook? I’m running the latest Mac operating system. Thanks for 
> anyand all help.
> Blessings,
> 
> Brian
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Re: Do Ray-ban AI glasses require a subscription? (was Solved: Meta Glasses on iPhone)

[Kaare Dehard]

No, however, you do have to let them set up an account, which is free through 
your Facebook. The initial set up will guide you through this.
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> On Sep 5, 2024, at 8:14 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> I have a question about these glasses.  Do they require a subscription to Era?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
>> On Sep 3, 2024, at 10:58 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Aha! The problem is Meta View doesn't like Voice Over much. Here's how I
>> solved my problem:
>> 
>> 1. I turned off Voice Over while in the Meta View "Share Data" screen.
>> 
>> 2. I scrolled down with three fingers.
>> 
>> 3. The greyed Share and Don't Share buttons where now actionable, i.e.
>> no longer dimmed (or greyed). I made my selection and continued the
>> setup process.
>> 
>> Pretty hoakey, imo. Doesn't speak well for Meta at all, imo.
>> 
>> PS: Seems this issue's been there at least a few weeks. I found an Apple
>> Vis post with the same problem here:
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ipados/stuck-sharing-data-screen-meta-view-app
>> 
>> 
>> That message is from July. Come on, Meta. Fix your big bugs!
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> 
>> 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries writes:
>>> Hi Brad:
>>> 
>>> I've enabled Voice Over image descriptions in those settings. It was the
>>> only function not previously enabled. The problem screen remains a
>>> problem as described, unfortunately.
>>> 
>>> Argh!
>>> 
>>> Bradford Snyder writes:
 You may want to enable VoiceOver???s Screen Recognition feature, and see 
 if that helps.
 I have found it to be very useful in certain situations where an apps 
 screen is unreadable.
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 
> On Sep 2, 2024, at 09:19, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> Ive recently acquired the Meta Ray-Ban AI enabled glasses and paired them 
> to my iPhone. I also
> have the Meta View app installed and I've successfully created a login
> for myself.
> 
> I'm stuck on a screen I can't get beyond, and the sighted folks I've
> shown that screen to sede no way beyond it either. The screen header
> reads:
> 
> Share Additional Data to Improve Meta Products?
> 
> Both the Share and Don't Share buttons are greyed. the On screen
> instructions say "Scroll to continue," but there seems to be nothing
> further to scroll to, nothing up and nothing down. Apparently, there's
> also no control hidden from IOS on this screen (as it turns out there is 
> on Android).
> 
> So, I'm stuck with no obvious path forward. Any suggestions most
> welcome!
> 
> I'm aware there are Facebook and Whatsapp groups for this device, but
> I'm still avoiding the meta ecosystem as much as I can. I'd rather not
> sign up for Whatsapp nor Facebook if I can avoid it.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Janina
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Re: iPhone 15 Pro Max

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Also if you wait until the new ones come in and your heart is still set on the 15 Pro Max, you will get what you want at a somewhat discounted price.Sent from my iPhoneOn Aug 13, 2024, at 1:46 PM, Bradford Snyder  wrote:I would wait.  Never buy an iPhone in August unless you absolutely have no choice.New iPhones will be out in about a month.For what you will pay now for an iPhone 15 Pro or Pro Max, you will soon be able to get an iPhone 16 Pro or Pro Max for the same price, and the 15s will be reduced in price by about $100 once the new models are released.- Brad -


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Re: Connecting an MBA m1 via Ethernet?

[Kaare Dehard]

I have found that this is also necessary. I did go on Amazon, and I did find a 
hub that had a USB-C connecter for the MacBook Air, and it had several 
different ports, including the ethernet port. The brand and name escapes me, 
but looking on Amazon, you should be able to find various products within 
various price ranges that will suit your needs.

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> Hi all,
> 
> There are times when this would be advantageous.  Is there any way to do it?  
> Adapters, etc?
> TIA,
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Re: Computer help again

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In both cases, you should be able to use the command Okees to open both the 
folders under my documents, and your PDF files.

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> On Jun 25, 2023, at 5:05 PM, Rebecca Sabo  wrote:
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> Hi again all,
> I need some more help with my mack .  I was wondering how to open a folder in 
> my document folder on the mack?  I also saved too of my textbooks in my 
> documents but they are pdfs how do I open them on the mack to read them ?  I 
> tried doing VOL seven to hear the time it will not do it and also when I try 
> VOL eight to fine out what my battery is .  I have a late 2014 matchbook 
> laptop.
> Any help with these items .
> Becky 
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Re: Identifying a Contact as VIP

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I was able to do it on my phone. When going through the email at the top, 
you’ll have your address or their address as a button double tap that and a 
context menu will come up. One of the items is add to  VIP.

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> On Feb 21, 2023, at 6:13 AM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
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> Good Morning,
> 
> Way back when, I managed to assign my two nieces “VIP” status.  But I can’t 
> recall how I did that.  There a couple other contacts I would likewise to 
> assign as VIP.  Can anyone offer any suggestions as how this can be done?
> 
> 
> 
> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
> - "I can't change the direction of the wind, but"
> - "I can adjust my sails to always reach my destination."
> - Jimmy Dean
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Re: Disappearing External Drive and Finder issue

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There is an issue with finder on and off in Ventura. If it gives the no window 
message cmd-option-escape will allow you to re-launch the finder and may solve 
the concern.


> On Feb 1, 2023, at 4:31 PM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
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> Thanks.  This is not an older Mac, it’s a 2020 M1.  SO I guess I will 
> disconnect all the external drives, all three of them, and restart.  I 
> neglected to say that when the Finder stops working, I have to open a program 
> like Mail to shut down the computer at all, and it might take it several 
> minutes to do it.  
> 
> I just disconnected all the external drives, I have three, and I hope I don’t 
> lose them all as one of them is my Time Machine backup.  The Mac turned on 
> very quickly.  SO Now I guess I will start trying to reconnect these things.  
> What fun.  
> 
> 
>> On Feb 1, 2023, at 3:19 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> There could be a number of things. The age of your Mac, the cord, or the 
>> drive itself. If yours is an older Mac though, that is most likely the 
>> issue. Restart your mac and then plug in the drive. When you open it, give 
>> the drive a couple minutes to load. There could also be a formatting issue.
>> 
>>> On Feb 1, 2023, at 15:13, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> Hello.  I bought a nice big hard disc to store books, movies, and music on. 
>>>  It is connected to my Mac mini via a cable.  I got messages saying that it 
>>> had not been ejected properly, though, of course, it had not been ejected 
>>> at all.  If I try to go to my external drives, the finder just stops 
>>> working altogether.  SO right now, I am running first aid on the one of 
>>> them that I can see.  But is there anything else I can do besides either 
>>> give up or call AppleCare?  By the way, when the Finder stops working, I 
>>> can’t open files from anywhere and apps like TextEdit won’t launch either, 
>>> though Mail and Safari still work.  Does this necessarily mean that the 
>>> external disc is corrupted?  Do I need to go further than just the Disc 
>>> Utility?  Thanks for any guidance.
>>> 
>>> My poor, ailing Mac!
>>> 
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Re: Ran into an issue with Ventura

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No, but I did have the empty finder issue that was mentioned in the beta 
product. I’m kind of surprised that they let that one through. I had to use. 
Force quit and reset the finder to get it going again. I could not, of course 
do this with the finder, I had to have my phone handoff and open Safari page 
and do it that way. Really strange that this did not get fixed and beta.

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> On Oct 30, 2022, at 12:06 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> Curious if anyone else has had this issue since updating to Ventura. I when 
> to use Safari to  upload to Youtube and while I could find the file, I could 
> not select it in any way for it to upload. No problems before the update and 
> I was at least able to get it to work with Chrome.
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Re: Updating Mac OS?

[Kaare Dehard]

Have you tried going into system preferences, and then software update? It might flag it there.Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 17, 2022, at 6:48 PM, etscrivani via MacVisionaries  wrote:Hello All, I have a Mac Book Pro that I bought in 2014. When I look in the “About This Mac” area it tells me it’s a “Late 2013” model. I am currently running Big Sir 15.7 on it. For months it has been notifying me that there is an update to Monterey which I don’t find when I check in preferences or the updates when I check under the about this Mac. When/if I get a notification about it I cannot get to that either. Other than the computer being too old for the newer OS, does any one know of any other reason why I am unable to get the download?  Thanks for any pointers. Eileen   



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Re: I recommend against upgrading to IOS 16

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I hope that when you get the new phone that iOS 16 isn’t pre-installed. I have 
a X R and minimal misbehaving and focus issues have been observed after 
upgrade. Annoying but nothing that’s been a show-stopper.

> On Sep 15, 2022, at 10:58 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> I have not.  I need to upgrade my phone, so I’m just hanging in there until I 
> get my 14 Pro.
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Devin Prater > > wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone having really bad issues, have you tried resetting the phone? I know, 
>> last ditch effort, but it may fix some things and put you at the point where 
>> 16 is usable.
>> Devin Prater
>> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com 
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>> 
>> 
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>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 9:49 PM 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> Did the latter.  I’ll check to make sure screen recognition is off.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> > On Sep 14, 2022, at 8:27 PM, Herbie Allen > > > wrote:
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>> > Odd, I have not experienced this issue. I have the known bugs with the 
>> > lock screen, but everywhere else works just fine. Make sure Screen 
>> > recognition is off. Also, try turning VO off and then back on.
>> > 
>> >> On Sep 14, 2022, at 20:25, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> >> > >> > wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> No.  I’m experiencing them while in various apps.  One that jumps to mind 
>> >> is Mail.  I frequently have trouble getting mail messages to open.
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Donna
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >>> On Sep 14, 2022, at 8:23 PM, Herbie Allen > >>> > wrote:
>> >>> 
>> >>> Am I correct in that you are experiencing these double tapping issues on 
>> >>> the lock screen?
>> >>> 
>>  On Sep 14, 2022, at 20:20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  >  > wrote:
>>  
>>  I’ve never experienced that until this upgrade.  The strange thing 
>>  about all this is that the behavior is very inconsistent.  Sometimes 
>>  I’ll double tap and everything’s good.  Other times I can double-tap 
>>  and double-tap forever and nothing happens.
>>  Cheers,
>>  Donna
>>  
>>  
>> > On Sep 14, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Herbie Allen > > > wrote:
>> > 
>> > We have had that issue for a number of years now. What’s frustrating 
>> > is it has not been resolved.
>> > 
>> >> On Sep 14, 2022, at 14:21, Jessica Moss > >> > wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> I’ve found this to be an issue as well, along with something strange 
>> >> happening with my phone screen this morning.  I went into my recent 
>> >> contacts, and tried calling back someone who was close to the top of 
>> >> the screen, and ended up calling someone else instead, not realizing 
>> >> what happened.
>> >> Then just to help prevent this from happening again, I decided to go 
>> >> into the more info menu, just to make sure I was calling the right 
>> >> person, and my screen apparently jumped again, and went into 
>> >> information for the wrong contact, and it took about 3 tries for me 
>> >> to select the right one.
>> >> Is anyone else noticing this?
>> >> 
>> >>> On Sep 14, 2022, at 3:01 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> >>> > >>> > wrote:
>> >>> 
>> >>> Hi all,
>> >>> 
>> >>> After approx 24 hours with IOS 16, I have come to the conclusion 
>> >>> that my phone is only marginally usable.  In addition to the swiping 
>> >>> issue previously discussed, I’m also finding that often when I tap 
>> >>> an icon or a mail message, the item will not open.  Sometimes I can 
>> >>> work around this by doing a tap and hold, but other times I cannot.
>> >>> 
>> >>> Everyone’s mileage may vary, of course, and from what I read on 
>> >>> AppleVis, the usability may vary from one model to another.  FWIW, I 
>> >>> have a 12 mini.  However, I wanted to post this to the list, just to 
>> >>> warn others that they might be in for a bumpy ride with IOS 16.  
>> >>> Were I you, I would wait, and hope for another release that fixes 
>> >>> some of these issues.  This is the worst accessibility experience 
>> >>> I’ve ever had with Apple, since getting my first iPhone in 2009.  
>> >>> I’ve actually written Accessibility to ask about downgrading, which 
>> >>> I have never done before.
>> >>> Cheers,
>> >>> Donna
>> >>> P.S.  If others have had a better experience, feel free to post and 
>> >>> disagree, so that listers can have the most complete information 
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Re: A Basic Question on Changing Sound Sources

[Kaare Dehard]

Hi, kelly.
When in the list have you tried typing the first letter of the usb device to 
force a direct jump to the item you want?


> On Jun 7, 2022, at 9:52 AM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
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> Hi,
>  
> Maybe I’m missing it but is there a way to move through the list of sound 
> sources for output and not have each sound source selected as you move.  For 
> example, if my Mac output is set to speakers, the next item in order in my 
> list of sound sources in the table is my Apple TV device.  The third is a USB 
> sound device I have connected.
>  
> Late at night, I want to switch to the USB device but it often first results 
> in some sound going to the Apple TV.
>  
> I’m interacting with the table of devices with output selected in the Sound 
> item in System Preferences.
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Re: A zoom annoyance with voiceover

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Thanks to all! My Zoom experience is enhanced with your suggestions.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 20, 2022, at 5:44 AM, Julie Rattray  wrote:
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> You can customise what announcements you here using the settings features - 
> Tim has posted  about this before - but go in to settings and I think it is 
> either under the accessibility tab or notifications (in zoom) and you can 
> customise what you hear in terms of zoom announcements.
> 
> I am fortunate that I can turn speech off and then use my braille display 
> with zoom which gets rid of so many of these issues - but it is still useful 
> to customise the zoom announcements as they come from zoom itself not VO  
> 
>> On 19 May 2022, at 17:04, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> it depends of which device you are speaking.
>> On a Mac you can disable theese  messages in the Zoom settings. On an iPhone 
>> you could tap three fingers three times to disable the voice of VoiceOver.
>> 
>> I often use Zoom on my Mac. And I need VoiceOver to be switched on to take 
>> notes along the meeting. VoiceOver very often anounces „Zoom has new 
>> window“. Is anyone aware of a way to avoid this message on a Mac and keep 
>> VoiceOver on?
>> 
>> Thanks and all the best
>> Jürgen
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> Am 19.05.2022 um 17:41 schrieb Patrick Ford :
>>> 
>>> Hi, you can turn on 'do not disturb' or you can shut off voice over if you 
>>> don't need it while listening and/or speaking -
>>> Come and See
>>> scripturepassage-subscr...@groups.io
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>>>> On May 19, 2022, at 11:29 AM, Kaare Dehard  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi folks, I’m wondering if the announcements of chat messages can be 
>>>> suppressed while in a meeting. If not do our zoom users have alternative 
>>>> methods to deal with this so as to not be distracted during presentations?
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A zoom annoyance with voiceover

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Hi folks, I’m wondering if the announcements of chat messages can be suppressed 
while in a meeting. If not do our zoom users have alternative methods to deal 
with this so as to not be distracted during presentations?

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Re: Teams

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I have tried teams on both Mac and PC and although better with JAWS I really 
think the user experience could be better. It seems counter intuitive.

> On Apr 29, 2022, at 10:35 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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> I’ve never had any luck with it either.  I had to do a lot of playing around 
> with it to figure out how to do simple things like respond to chats, and 
> after I’d finally managed to navigate to the window where the messages were 
> displayed, then get back to where I was supposed to be able to respond, I 
> couldn’t remember what I’d done, so I gave up on it quickly.
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2022, at 9:49 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
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>> Hi Folks,
>> 
>> would you agree Microsoft Teams is more than terrible to use on a Mac using 
>> VoiceOver? Or am I doing something fundamentally wrong?
>> 
>> I tried the shortcuts which are possible for the use with VoiceOver but most 
>> of them didn’t work reliably.
>> 
>> What are your expeeriences regarding Teams on the Mac?
>> 
>> All the best
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Re: help with using iPhone without a home button

[Kaare Dehard]

Just do a three fingerflip up and it will close t he o ne that you’re currently 
on.

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Re: help with using iPhone without a home button

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Congratulations on the new hardware! In order to get to your home screen or the 
screen before you slide your finger from the middle bottom of the screen and 
when you hear the second tone, release it. To get to the app switcher wait till 
you hear three tones your sliding up and that will open up. Hope this helps!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2021, at 11:44 AM, rhonda.part...@att.net wrote:
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> Hello I got a new iPhone 12 and need some tips to use voiceover without a 
> home button.
> Thanks.
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Re: Screen Curtain iPhone 7

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Try a three finger triple tap instead of a four tap. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 15, 2021, at 9:45 AM, michael dailey  wrote:
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> Somehow I have turned on screen curtain on an iPhone 7.  I have tried doing 
> a 3 fingered quit 4 taps, but that does not seem to work.  I have tried to 
> get Siri to turn it off but that doesn’t work either.
> 
> Any suggestions?
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Re: Accessible Metronome apps for iOS

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Hi Ben, try smart metronome. It’s not completely accessible but I think it will 
do what you want and the price is certainly right at free.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 26, 2019, at 12:40 PM, B G  wrote:
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> Any recommendation would be gratefully received. I'm looking for one
> covering different beats e.g. 4/4 3/4, 6/8 and so forth.
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Re: Hi my name is Dora!

[Kaare Dehard]

Hi, I have an older about to retire iMac, I use it for day to day use, web 
social media etc. I’m also dabbling with amadeus pro learning about recording:) 
I find that I personally don’t have need of anything that windows offers, as I 
have my hands full with other activities, although use windows for work.

Cheers and welcome to the list!
> On Feb 16, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Dora Speck  wrote:
> 
> Totally understand.
> I mainly use my Mac for my English course. Plus social networking is well.
> I also use my Windows computer for gaming and socializing as well.
> 
> Dora Speck
> 
> [Sent from my iPhone]
> 
> On Feb 16, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  > wrote:
> 
>> I have an I Mac and a Mac mini.  I’ve been using the Mac since 2010 but 
>> unfortunately or is it fortunate, you decide, during the day I use Windows, 
>> because I work full time at the RNIB here in the UK as a braille 
>> Transcriber.  So let’s say for now my Mac computers is like a hobby because 
>> I can only use the Mac when I’m at home.  I feel very comfortable on the Mac 
>> but i’m in my comfort zone.
>> 
>> Anyway, I’m not a very big contributor on this list because of time as there 
>> isn’t enough hours in the day or night for me to be able to say much on this 
>> list.  A very dear friend introduced me to the Macvisionary list in 2010 and 
>> I was helped by this very dear friend in order to become proficient in the 
>> Mac.  Unfortunately the person is in another part of the world but they know 
>> who they are and so I am very grateful to the person.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 16 Feb 2016, at 07:27, Dora Speck >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Fair enough. :)
>>> Where can I get Trillion?
>>> 
>>> Dora Speck
>>> 
>>> [Sent from my iPhone]
>>> 
 On Feb 15, 2016, at 11:22 PM, BBS >>> > wrote:
 
 Unfortunately, I can't tell you that. Apple has a strict rule when it 
 comes to disclosing new features or bug fixes. I'm afraid you'll have to 
 wait until the next release and find out for yourself.
 
 
 Shawn
 Sent from my White MacBook
 Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
 Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
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 Subject: Re: Hi my name is Dora!
 
 That's good!
 There's mo way around the lagginess is there?
 
 Dora Speck
 
 [Sent from my iPhone]
 
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 11:17 PM, BBS  > wrote:
> 
> I think it was made in 2005 or somewhere around there. As for your 
> question about downgrading, I've thought of doing that but I've stopped 
> myself. I'm a beta tester for both El Capitan and iOS 9 so I want to make 
> the experience better for people, not worse and if I can do that, I'm 
> happy.
> 
> 
> Shawn
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> 
> Subject: Re: Hi my name is Dora!
> 
> Hey there.
> Nice to meet you Simon, and Thank you all for the welcome messages!
> When did this group start?
> 
> Dora Speck
> 
> [Sent from my iPhone]
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 11:05 PM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Dora,
>> 
>> Welcome to the list.
>> 
>> I'm Simon and I'm from the deep south of the world.
>> 
>> New Zealdnd that is.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
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>> ] On Behalf Of Dora Speck
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>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>> Subject: Hi my name is Dora!
>> 
>> Hello. I'm Dora. I'm from British Columbia, Canada. I'm 24, totally 
>> blind and single. I hope to make new conne

Re: iPhone versus iPad

[Kaare Dehard]

Hi, I haven’t found it to be so, there are a few apps I’ve seen around that are 
iPad exclusive, and the layout for things like the keyboard is a bit different. 
Sometimes having more working room is it’s own advantage, but unless you need 
one of those exclusive apps, off the top of my head, I’d say probably not.
> On Dec 17, 2015, at 10:34 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Is there any great advantages to using an iPad versus an iPhone? I see that 
> there will be a larger screen area but that's about the only advantage I can 
> see. This will translate into perhaps easier access to sections of an app 
> like numbers or pages, but besides that is the iPad worth buying?
> 
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Re: OSX 10.11.2

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Not particularly, the cutting out issues still exist for me and the build has 
only gotten marginally better but not worth the hype.
> On Dec 9, 2015, at 9:48 AM, jeff `greene  wrote:
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> Hi, Just wondering if people on the list are having better experience
> with the new 10.11.2 over 10.11.1? I'm still on Yosemite because I had
> a bad experience with El Ca[pitan the first time I upgraded. So, was
> just wondering if the new update is more stable etc?
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Re: VO Guide

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There’s a really basic one that ships with, guiding you how much do you need? 
> On Nov 4, 2015, at 12:31 PM, Jamie Tachiyama  wrote:
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> Could someone point me to a good tutorial on VO?  I have to get up to
> speed for work by tomorrow.  Rather than dive into the manual, I was
> hoping there might be a good tutorial on VO that I could go through.
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Re: IOS 9 impressions?

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Yes you can upgrade from 4s and up. Some features may not be available such as 
3d touch but I have just done a 5c. The time of reboot was somewhat extended 
however and took me about half an hour.
> On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
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> Can I upgrade a 5S to IOS9?
> 
> Blessings,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>   
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
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>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 7:41 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?
>> 
>> I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery drain seems 
>> higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears battery 
>> issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of uppercase or 
>> capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use.  Other than 
>> that not to many impressions yet.  What are you all experiencing?
>> 
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Re: Another way to solve the navigation problem in new iTunes

[Kaare Dehard]

Yep, but I got detailed about the stuff, remembering when I was young at this 
and confused a vo-space with a mouse click. Sometimes verbosity has it’s 
reasons:).
> On Aug 22, 2015, at 9:50 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> In other words, you click the mouse on the item. 
> Sent from my IPhone
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>> On Aug 22, 2015, at 8:47 AM, Kaare Dehard  wrote:
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>> Okay folks, a lister has the problem of not being to navigate through the 
>> album list in the usual way. I’ve set up voiceover to have the mouse cursor 
>> follow the vo cursor, then instead of following the old vo-space I add a 
>> shift key to the combo and the stuff gets exposed for viewing.
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Another way to solve the navigation problem in new iTunes

[Kaare Dehard]

Okay folks, a lister has the problem of not being to navigate through the album 
list in the usual way. I’ve set up voiceover to have the mouse cursor follow 
the vo cursor, then instead of following the old vo-space I add a shift key to 
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Re: iTunes problem--playing albums

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I have found that for me after interacting with the album grid, navigating 
using the arrow keys opens the albums which you can then tab across as usual. 
It’s new, but me thinks not improved.
> On Aug 20, 2015, at 2:55 PM, Marcia Yale  wrote:
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> I believe I'm now using iTunes 12.2, under OS10.10.5, but I couldn't verify
> this because the "About iTunes" item isn't reading anything with VoiceOver!
> Anyway, before this update, I would interact with my album grid, and
> VO-space on an album title I wanted to play, then interact with the album
> details and move to the track list. Pressing VO-Space on the title does
> nothing now--no details appear, and I can't figure out what I'm doing
> differently. Any help would be appreciated!
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Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

[Kaare Dehard]

Hey whatever works for ya. I switch depending on need but as a long ago and 
long time windows user for work which involves a lot of browsing, I’ve been 
more partial to dom.
> On Jun 17, 2015, at 8:17 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
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> Hi there 
> I very seldom use DOM mode. I’ve tried it a few times, and it didn’t get me 
> what I wanted. Maybe I just don’t do enough web browsing. 
> 
> Gigi 
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>> On Jun 17, 2015, at 6:52 AM, Anne Robertson > > wrote:
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>> I prefer groups mode in general as I find it more efficient. DOM mode seems 
>> tedious to me as it’s harder to skip elements when you know a website well. 
>> I have a short cut to switch between navigation modes for those times when 
>> DOM mode is better, such as when using the Safari Reader. In Groups mode, 
>> links are often read in the wrong place in Groups mode.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 17 Jun 2015, at 13:28, Ray Foret Jr >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi there.
>>> 
>>> Subject line pretty much says it all. Due to a problem that Chris was 
>>> having about a week ago reporting issues with beta software he is testing, 
>>> Somebody here suggested group navigation rather then DOM navigation.  I 
>>> manage a google group myself, and, I was wondering why I couldn't edit or 
>>> clear the group welcome message.  When I swwitched to group mode, however, 
>>> I found that I could in fact do so.  While in DOM, though, this is not 
>>> possible.  However, having stayed in group navigation for a while now, I 
>>> find that much more interaction is needed and it's a little harder to tell 
>>> what is where.  Takes a little more time, it seems to me, to navigate in 
>>> group mode rather than DOM.  So, for those of y'all who choose to navigate 
>>> in group mode, any tips I my try to help make it faster, or, would DOM be 
>>> just better in most cases?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> 
>>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
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Re: time for Apple to get a new default voice

[Kaare Dehard]

I hope Alex stics around for a while. Historically it did for software voices 
what dec-talk did in the 80s for hardware synths. However times were different 
and Alex has always been more responsive than I ever remember dec being:).
> On Jun 10, 2015, at 2:28 PM, christopher hallsworth  
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> Might be coming next year . Seriously though, I don't ever want Apple 
> to remove Alex. He's fantastic for someone with moderately severe to profound 
> hearing loss which I have. The other voices included are fine, but doesn't 
> cut it like Alex.
>> On 10 Jun 2015, at 18:46, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
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>> Hi Ray. I don't really want Apple to get rid of Alex. I lve the fact that he 
>> takes breaths and everything. I am with you on one thing though, I hope 
>> Apple considers making the Siri voices available in El Capitan. After all, 
>> you can get them for NVDA in Windows so why can't it be done on the Mac?
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent from my White MacBook
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Subject line pretty much says it all.  Nothing against Alex mind you:  but, 
>>> frankly, I reckon it's high time Apple adopted a new and much more updated 
>>> default voice.  The new Siri male US English voice might perhaps be a good 
>>> choice.  Here's hoping we see this one in Elcapitan.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: Interesting messenger related issues

[Kaare Dehard]

Hi to Tim and all. To sumerize, did the data check on messages, all was well it 
was a bad contact card that got me.

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Interesting messenger related issues

[Kaare Dehard]

Hi folks, having an issue with finding a messenger that works correctly with OS 
X 10. latest. After mavericks it got tricky. 
I have tried messages, but for some reason my online contacts as well as my 
display name are not working. It shows a display name for another and removed 
user. Adium seems to not want to connect at all giving an unspecified error. 

Question: Is there something I forgot to change somewhere that isn’t obvious, 
and are there other multi-purpose messengers that may fit better?

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Re: Apple concept would require users to input health data to keep using their iPhone

[Kaare Dehard]

I usually just lerk here, but if we are to eventually have to submit to a 
socially acceptable version of screening such as medical checks, I’ll be hoping 
android picks  it up a bit. The thought that one must meet a particular 
standard and have an automatic process chastise one for socially poor behaviour 
is somewhat creepy. My grandparents were both involved to some extent in the 
second world war to prevent hitler from imposing this kind of thing, so if Cook 
or any of his merry lads want to do this, then I’m not a happy fellow.it up 
some.n Apr 11, 2015, at 10:18 AM, The Believer  
wrote:
> 
>   That is a real stretch. Is it not then arrogance that we must tap the Agree 
> button, not once, but twice on iOS updates? I sense a hysteria growiing here. 
> I sense a few people rebelling by tossing their iPhones at Apple stores and 
> walking away. (smiles)
> 
> From The Believer. . .
>   By way of the Chariots of the
> Gods cameth the Aliens who
> dwelt amongst the humans,
> and bringeth much knowledge.
> 
> On 4/11/2015 1:30 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>> As far as I’m concerned, this is the height of arrogance on the part of 
>> Apple, trying to tell us what’s healthy and what isn’t. As if anyone had all 
>> the answers. They seem to be trying to turn us all into 
>> obsessive-compulsives!
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11 Apr 2015, at 05:49, The Believer  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Careful reading of this article suggests that it in fact would be a user 
>>> option. The "required" bit does not mean if you do not comply, you do not 
>>> get to use your iPhone. It means, if you set this up, your iPhone acts as a 
>>> coach ensuring you follow your regimen.
>>> 
>>> From The Believer. . .
>>>   By way of the Chariots of the
>>> Gods cameth the Aliens who
>>> dwelt amongst the humans,
>>> and bringeth much knowledge.
>>> 
>>> On 4/10/2015 8:32 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
 I don't think something like that would ever fly in this country.
 Americans do not like being told what to do with respect to their
 personal lives and habits. I can't imagine anybody in Apple marketing
 letting this one slipped through. I'm not going to lose any sleep over
 it. Smile.
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Apr 10, 2015, at 7:33 PM, Barry Hadder >>> > wrote:
 
> 
>> http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/03/26/apple-concept-would-require-users-to-input-health-data-to-keep-using-their-iphone
> 
> 
> Barry Hadder
> bhad...@gmail.com 
> 
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Re: Apple's accessibility strategy (was Re: To the NFB haters on this list: was; Re: NFB Resolution)

[Kaare Dehard]

To me, and second post in 2 days:) it doesn't particularly matter why,
Apple has done it, and done it with style. How many times, folks, has
it happened that someone's done a marginal job that really doesn't fit
the bill for anything but the regulations?

On 7/16/14, Jason White  wrote:
> Devin Prater  wrote:
>> I don't think Apple added accessibility for the
>> simple reason that it was a good thing to do, but with Jobs leading the
>> way
>> and how he thinks, he knew we were potential customers and if Apple got
>> us,
>> Microsoft and Android wouldn't have us.
>
> It's true that accessibility provides access to otherwise unavailable
> markets.
> I wouldn't be surprised if regulatory considerations also played a role,
> especially government procurement requirements that mandate support for
> assistive technologies.
>
> Beyond this, there are strong moral reasons for making products accessible
> -
> in modern busines parlance it's called corporate social responsibility.
>
> Finally, speech technologies have applications well beyond the needs of
> people
> with disabilities, and any work that can create a technological advantage
> in
> this area can place one ahead of competitors, especially in connection with
> mobile devices, in-vehicle systems, and other contexts in which vision is
> preoccupied elsewhere.
>
> Accessibility APIs are also valuable for testing purposes, presumably one
> of
> the reasons why Microsoft's latest API is known as "User Interface
> Automation"
> (UIA). With this, developers can write test cases that exercise the entire
> user interface of an application.
>
> I don't know which combination of these or other reasons has most
> influenced
> Apple's policies, or those of any other software developers, other than to
> say
> that, in my experience, regulatory requirements tend to carry considerable
> weight.
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Scanners revisited

[Kaare Dehard]

Okay, wondering if there has been any improvements with scanners and oct for 
the mac. The last time I checked was 3 or 4 years ago. Eye-pal looked 
promising, but I need a solution soon as I don't own a windows machine and 
would prefer privacy for reading my own mail:).

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Re: weird prompt to update software

[Kaare Dehard]

If you are using divx or however you spell it, the movie player and decoder it 
offers weird prompts like described.
On Apr 12, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> Phil,
> 
> I would not assume it is something from Apple, Apple usually lets you know 
> what software is being updated.
> Best,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 12, 2014, at 9:58 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm getting the same notification and I don't know what it is either. I am 
>> assuming it is something from Apple, but that's probably a bad assumption
>> 
>>> On Apr 12, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> For some time now, I've been getting a weird prompt to install a software 
>>> update.  The message reads, "Do you want to install now, or try tonight?"  
>>> But there is no name or company affiliation given. My husband says that 
>>> there is a symbol of an A formed by the crossing of a ruler and a 
>>> protractor.  Has anyone else seen anything like this?  Does anyone know 
>>> what it might be?  So far I keep delaying the update, since I don't know 
>>> what it is.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
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Re: Experience Switching to Mac

[Kaare Dehard]

Mine too. For me it's getting around what I have learned and muscle memory that 
I have used since word 97. I'm sure with practice and lots of it we will find 
our way. Personally, since I don't do a great deal of word processing in my 
home and more at work with their windows machines, I'll probably take my own 
sweet time getting used to it. Really though for me, it's not that windows is 
inherently bad, but I in most things prefer my mac and will still use windows 
at work as to do the things it's strongest in.
On Apr 6, 2014, at 10:06 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:

> Personally, I'm still having a tough time with word processing on the Mac. I 
> want to like and use pages, but I can't figure out styles and formatting 
> using pages. I still haven't found anything that compares with MS office and 
> JAWS for writing and formatting documents. JAWS really does work well with 
> Word and there's no getting around that. Pages seems clunky by comparison, 
> but I probably haven't given it a fair chance. Spreadsheeting with numbers is 
> great, but word processing is still a major deficit on the Mac in my opinion.
> 
> On Apr 6, 2014, at 9:09 PM, Dan Eickmeier  wrote:
> 
>> I've been using a Mac here since February of 2008, and have not  had any
>> reason to switch back to Windows.  Like a lot of people on this thread, , I 
>> got tired of having to pay to keep a JAWS SMA updated, and I also had it 
>> with their system of ILM authorizations.  I too, had  to have my activations 
>>  reset a number of times as well.  And what got me really interested, and 
>> wanting to go to the Mac, is the fact that we can do complete reformats, and 
>> OS installs with VoiceOver.  Even with the unattended install scripts that 
>> are out there for Windows,  and that Winstaller app, which has become 
>> popular now, we still have nothing close to being able to get the  OS, and 
>> do an install with full speech, or even Braille.  
>> On Apr 6, 2014, at 6:59 PM, BBS  wrote:
>> 
>>> Well April, my offr is still on the table. If you like, I can teach you how 
>>> to use Voiceover. That goes for anyone that wants my help. Email me off 
>>> list and we'll set something up.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of April
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2014 4:52 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Experience Switching to Mac
>>> 
>>> Hello.  About ten months ago, I was declared legally blind.  I have been on 
>>> the search for a full diagnosis and prognosis since.  No luck.
>>> 
>>> In December, when my Windows 7 machine became totally unstable, and had 
>>> been reformatted three times in less than a month, I bought a  Mac.  I 
>>> figured, if I had to learn a screen reader, it was best to do so on one 
>>> where the screen reader came built in.
>>> 
>>> So far, no luck learning how to use the screen reader though.  I can turn 
>>> on and off.  That's about it.  I have a 40 page list of random commands, 
>>> and can't figure out what any of the are supposed to do.  A dictionary 
>>> would help.  Perhaps the lines above or below that don't make sense are 
>>> supposed to tell me what they do?  
>>> 
>>> I used to be a web designer, and I thought a screen reader should be easy 
>>> to learn to use.  After all, I'm good with with computers.  
>>> 
>>> I'm also horrible with foreign languages, and figured braille would be 
>>> impossible to learn.  I started the first contracted braille book I'm 
>>> reading last night.  I started learning braille last November.
>>> 
>>> I still use a Windows 7 computer at night.  It takes about 15 minutes to 
>>> turn on, and every scroll of the screen takes forever.  I don't count on it 
>>> for anything.
>>> 
>>> On Saturday, April 5, 2014 4:11:11 PM UTC-4, Scott Duck wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> As I have said, I am thinking about switching to the Mac and have been 
>>> trying to gather more information about it.  To that end, I have been 
>>> asking specific questions.  I will continue to do that but I would like 
>>> some general feedback from people who have made the switch from Windows to 
>>> the Mac.  Why did you switch In the first place?  Having switched, do you 
>>> feel that it was the right choice for you?  Do any of you regret having 
>>> switched or have you even gone back to the PC?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Scott Duck
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Re: Stability of the Mac

[Kaare Dehard]

Hi, Scott.

My personal experience with the mac has definitely been more positive than 
recent windows/jaws experiences. Having said that, for my work, I am still a 
windows user, and it has specifically to do with the work environment and it's 
requirements. I did get malware on my mac so that can happen, but not as much 
or as often as my other machine. Voiceover has rarely crashed and left me 
hanging,  and the times I have had to do a clean install are much more pleasant 
if such a thing could be consider so at all with the mac than the pc 
environment.
On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Scott Duck  wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>  
> As I said previously, I am thinking about getting a Mac and the main reason 
> is that I am tired of the increasing instability of the PC environment.  My 
> first question is, is this really different on a Mac?
>  
> I am using JAWS 15 with Windows 8.  Both are not all that stable.  I have 
> been a JAWS user for 17 years and I have noticed a definite progressive 
> increase in instability with the last few releases.  JAWS crashes frequently 
> and, even if it doesn't crash, it often stops talking when errors occur with 
> other applications.  Then, there's Windows 8.  I don't mind the Windows 8 
> interface but several times per week, I will have a problem that requires me 
> to restart my computer.  I did not have that nearly as much with Windows 7.  
> Also, it isn't unusual for me to install a program which will, either 
> directly or through add ins, make Windows and/or JAWS more unstable.  I then 
> have to decide rather the additional functionality is worth the increased 
> instability.  I'm just tired of all the crashes and reboots and having to use 
> three or four screen readers because I have to run one when another one 
> crashes.
>  
> By contrast, my iPhone and iPad, while not perfect, are certainly more 
> stable.  VoiceOver seldom just stops working.  Of course, every single app is 
> not accessible and they do not all work correctly but any problems with an 
> app are almost always confined only to that app.  When an app crashes, it 
> usually does not also cause VoiceOver or the device to crash.  Is this also 
> true of the Mac?
>  
> I have certainly used technology enough to know that none of it is perfect.  
> However, I would like something that is better than the PC, when it comes to 
> stability.  Over all, in your experience, is the Mac more stable?
>  
> Thanks,
> Scott Duck
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Re: Type2Phone free this weekend

[Kaare Dehard]

Hi there, had the same troubles. I approached it from the mac side of things. I 
asked the mac from the bluetooth menu to set up the device. two go-m's will get 
you to the extras menu. From blootooth menu, just go to setup device. When the 
iPhone is detected select. You will hear a pairing request from the iOS device 
which needs to be given the okay from the device but it should work out 
alright. Got mine working like that.
On 2013-04-21, at 8:30 AM, Yolanda  wrote:

> On 4/20/2013 6:46 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>> I'm loving it so far.
>> 
>> On Apr 20, 2013, at 9:50 AM, Rachel Feinberg wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Stacey,
>>> 
>>> I'm glad to hear that! If you need anymore help, don't hesitate to ask. It 
>>> really is a fantastic app.
>>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2013, at 6:15 AM, Stacey Robinson  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Rachel,
 I got things going this morning.
 Totally cool.
 
 On Apr 19, 2013, at 6:39 PM, Rachel Feinberg wrote:
 
> Activate a text field on your phone, turn quick Nav off on your mac, and 
> be in the Type2Phone app. You should be good to go and able to type.
> 
> On Apr 19, 2013, at 3:32 PM, Stacey Robinson  
> wrote:
> 
>> I now have my phone and mac comunicating. How do I start doing things 
>> with it now.
>> 
>> On Apr 19, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Alex,
>>> I can't seem to get my mac running sl to pair with my phone.
>>> What are the steps I need to take.
>>> Stacey
>>> 
>>> On Apr 19, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 Type2Phone lets your Mac act like a bluetooth keyboard for your iOS 
 device. You just pair the two machines, then it automatically sets 
 everything up and is ready to go whenever you cmd-tab into the app. 
 There are even menu items to issue special commands for Voiceover, and 
 the app is fully accessible. It is normally $4.99, but is currently 
 free. Just open the Mac App Store and search for Type2phone, no 
 spaces, the number 2. I have no idea if there's a Windows version. 
 Enjoy.
 
 
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Re: Safari crashing on Zone BBS Site

[Kaare Dehard]

That's strange, I've used the site and the mac does tend to get along with it. 
From time to time there are congestion related problems on site.
On 2013-04-17, at 1:37 AM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Thanks; it seems to be behaving itself now. I don't know what happened. I 
> haven't rebooted my machine or anything. It could have been a network 
> problem; Macs seem to be a tad techy about that.
> 
> Teresa
> On Apr 16, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Maria & Joe Chapman  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi.  have been on for a few minutes and so far no crashes 
>> God Bless! Maria from australia
>> Newbie mac user.
>> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>> will get you fb as well as email & iMessage.   
>> skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 17/04/2013, at 5:46 AM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> i'm just getting acquainted with zonebbs.com, a gaming site. Safari keeps 
>>> crashing at random points on the site. Does anyone else have this problem?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Teresa
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Re: accessible tv guide

[Kaare Dehard]

Shaw doesn't show listings on their site?? At one point Rogers had a monthly 
mailing list but don't know whether it still exists.

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-02-26, at 11:02 PM, Kerri  wrote:

> Oh man, forgot to mention that that, I am Canadian so I use shaw cable.
> On 2013-02-26, at 8:06 AM, ernest mccullough  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hey Chris: I have time warner Can yu send me the same suggestion?
>> Thanks, Regards,
>> 
>> Ernest.
>> 
>> On 2/26/13, Christopher-Mark Gilland  wrote:
>>> Apple TV, definitely not.  As for an accessible TV guide, do you use Time
>>> Warner?
>>> 
>>> If so, I can provide you with a really really really really! nice
>>> suggestion.
>>> 
>>> Chris Gilland.
>>> Founder of CLG Productions
>>> http://www.clgproductions.com
>>> E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com
>>> Phone: 803-760-7136
>>> Toll-Free: 1-888-405-3185
>>> Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except weekends and holidays.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Kerri" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 13:42
>>> Subject: accessible tv guide
>>> 
>>> 
 Hello, all. Is there an accessible tv guide online? Also, does apple tv
 have a built in tv guide which will work since it has voice over? I know
 these questions are probably proof of my senility but it is after all, a
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Re: o. t.: Microsoft Office for Mac! Important: read and leave comments!

[Kaare Dehard]

Just to add some. My wife has it. I can access most menus but none of the 
editing area. This is why I don't use word. I need access to view the document 
I am building. I have not explored this thoroughly by any means. I wish to have 
it accessible because it is a good program, but will either patiently wait for 
it or find another alternative:) 

On 2013-02-03, at 12:24 PM, ROD SKENE  wrote:

> Hi Sara,
> I don't have MS Office for the Mac and can't give you any specific details on 
> its inaccessibility . However, I want you to know  I would   purchase it if I 
> heard on this list it became  useable with Voiceover. Thanks for your 
> interest in making MS Office accessible.
> Rod
> 
> On Jan 31, 2013, at 1:34 AM, J.P.  wrote:
> 
>> Hey guys, 
>> We are always saying how inaccessible Office for Mac is. The head of 
>> Microsoft's Mac accessibility team is reading this post. Those of you who 
>> have used the software, please give examples where we know it's 
>> inaccessible. Sara, who head's their team is giving us an opportunity that a 
>> lot of developers don't. I know for myself, I would rather load one piece of 
>> software. Rather then having to use a virtual machine. 
>> Thanks, J. p. 
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Re: how we became apple users

[Kaare Dehard]

I got my apple start with an apple 2 E I used word talk ironically developed by 
the same folk that went n to bring us window-eyes.
On 2013-01-12, at 8:08 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

> I couldn't ever really figure Bex out, but a classmate of mine always 
> prefered it to ProWords.  I tried using Bex 1 time I think it was, and went 
> right back to ProWords, sense for some reason, I kept having to do an insert 
> command, when I was just typing a simple document, and my vision teacher kept 
> having to redo something over and over and was like "you lost your insert," 
> so that was the last time I ever attempted to use it, sense I decided it was 
> more trouble in my oppinion than it was worth and found ProWords a lot easier.
> On Jan 12, 2013, at 11:50 AM, Mark Baxter wrote:
> 
>> BEX *DOES* exist on the Mac; it's called TextEdit, and it can do WAY more 
>> than Bex ever could.  THough, I did go to Dartmouth with an Apple 2C as my 
>> main computer, and wrote all my papers with BEX.  I also had sorta a crush 
>> on Jessie Casum from Raised Dot computing.
>> 
>> • Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>> • AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
>> • MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
>> • My home page:
>> • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
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Re: stanza

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Folks:

Here is a link I'll leave it for a week. It wasn't corrupted when I opened it 
so good luck
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12373038/Stanza.dmg
On 2013-01-01, at 3:55 PM, Lisette Wesseling  wrote:

> Yeah but that copy on cnet  seems to be corrupt. At least at my end.
> 
> On 2/01/2013, at 9:40 AM, Kaare Dehard  wrote:
> 
>> I just got it from cnet, if you can't find it folks I'll post it as a 
>> dropbox for you since it is allowed to be copied.
>> On 2013-01-01, at 3:29 PM, Lisette Wesseling  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi
>>> Does anybody know where I can download this? I've tried cnet.com but the 
>>> file  appears to be corrupted. When I try to open the app I'm told the app 
>>> is damaged and to eject the disc image.
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> Lisette
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Re: stanza

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I just got it from cnet, if you can't find it folks I'll post it as a dropbox 
for you since it is allowed to be copied.
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> Hi
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> damaged and to eject the disc image.
> Thanks in advance.
> Lisette
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iTunes 11 shortcuts

[Kaare Dehard]

Hi:
An article listing convinent shortcuts for iTunes 11, and the Mac.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-57560867-263/convenient-itunes-11-keyboard-shortcuts/

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Re: playing ave file on the mac.

[Kaare Dehard]

Two things you can do. 1) Try vlc it plays all my avi's. Also you may try 
getting quicktime to search for items that will be able to play. I use one 
called divix plus that I got through asking for quick times recommendations. 
Sorry about the spelling of the program, haven't got it handy presently.
On 2012-12-17, at 8:15 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

> I've just downloaded several files that are in ave format, and my mac refuses 
> to play them.  Does anyone know of an extention/secondary piece of software 
> that will play them, or am I just out of luck and will have to convert them 
> to another format?
>  If I end up having to convert them, what video format will they need to be 
> in order to play them?playing ave files on the mac.   
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Re: Voiceover in mountain lion

[Kaare Dehard]

also, when pulling up a large links list, unlike lion, you don't wait for 5 to 
10 seconds for the links list to populate.
On 2012-11-20, at 11:35 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

> The biggest area of improvement is in web access, you no longer get the 
> safari busy messages. There are a few other improvements such as with drag 
> and drop, I never have a need to use that though so can't say how big of a 
> difference it is.
> Original message:
>> Well, my question is: has improve Mountain Lion's voiceover if you compare 
>> this version to the Lion's version? ... or it is the same voiceover?...
> 
>> thanks
> 
>> El martes, 20 de noviembre de 2012 10:58:35 UTC+1, Gigi escribió:
> 
>> Hi Marcello
>> What specifically do you mean by what are the differences? Is there certain 
>> part of voiceover you're asking about?
>> Gigi
> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Nov 20, 2012, at 3:46 AM, marcelo > 
>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Hi guys!
> 
>> is there something new on voiceover in mountain lion? or is the same as we 
>> had in lion?...
> 
>> thanks.
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Re: Is it as i suspect, - Can you not use a Brailiant2 40 with a Mac using bluetooth?

[Kaare Dehard]

Hi there, I have the same display with no issues. I went in to
voiceover menu to braille and had it detect. The only suggestion I
have a t this point is to do a quick check for updates to ensure it is
all the latest and gratest. I had that issue with Lion as it did not
support this display but as soon as I upgraded to mountain lion all
worked. You may wish to set the channel on the brailliant to auto or
force the bluetooth but beyond that it ought to work for you... Best
of luck!

On 11/21/12, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
> Hello there.
> I just got a shiny new braille display, a Humanware Brailiant2 40, at least
> that's what it says when you start it up. My problem is that i can't for the
> life of me get my Imac to recognize and work with the display using
> Bluetooth. When i try to connect it the mac says something along the lines
> of: "Can not connect to the device. Voiceover can not load the driver for
> Brailiant 40. If this device needs to be in terminal mode to be used as a
> braille display, please make sure that it is." or something, i can't exactly
> quote the dialog since it's in Swedish. Anyhow, i can't establish a
> bluetooth connection between the display and the Mac running Mountain Lion
> 10.8.2. What gives here?
> /Krister
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Re: iPhone says "no simcard installed"

[Kaare Dehard]

please let us know what if anything apple has to say regarding this. I have the 
same concern, and have replaced the card with no real change.
On 2012-11-14, at 2:50 PM, Mary Scott  wrote:

> My phone occasionally notifies me that there is no sim card installed.  
> Usually it works fine but right now turning and off again is not fixing it.  
> Any ideas what is going on?  Mel  
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Re: braille on osx and dots 7 and 8

[Kaare Dehard]

Hi, I believe the best policy here would be to explain to accessibility through 
both mail and phone. We've been lucky with apple that they do listen, and even 
if it takes some time, improvements can be accomplished. 
I think that if braille display users came to them with a list of behaviours 
they'd like modified and why it may happen. 

On 2012-10-29, at 10:06 AM, William Windels  wrote:

>   Hello,
> About braille and osx, I find it frustrating that voiceover is underlining 
> the braille with dot's 7 and 8 in so many cases.
> e.g. in menu-items, in read-only text and perhaps in other places.
> 
> I don't know how it exactly works but, when it's underlined without specific 
> reason:
> - capital letters can't be showed on the braille display,
> - marked text can't be shown as marked text since dots 7 and 8 are always 
> present.
> - Like in windows, with screenreader, you can define which lay-out should be 
> underlined, e.g. bold, italic, … text.
> - you can't see the place of the cursor on the braille display…
> 
> I know, you can check out dots 7 and 8 on the braille panel in voiceover 
> utility but when you do this, you will not have any off the advantages as 
> described above.
> 
> So, my questions to you all:
> are there any ways to have the advantages like described above?
> If others have also the same frustrations as me, what can we do to push apple 
> on a efficient way?
> If you want to post to accessibility about this , use the followup number 
> 234596995
> 
> Kind regards ,
> William Windels
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Re: braille display

[Kaare Dehard]

me too, just have troubles using it things like using the keyboard to do 
command-l and pull a links list. If anyone could point me in the right 
direction I'd love ya. I have done the rtfm, but am still at a loss.

On 2012-10-02, at 10:10 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
wrote:

> I like the Brailliant BI40. It's not bulky.
> On Oct 1, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Scott Berry wrote:
> 
>> Do you have any braille displays in mind?  Humanware has some.  So does 
>> Freedom Scientific.
>> 
>> 
>> Scott
>> On 9/30/2012 12:42 PM, Marianne Denning wrote:
>>> This is a cross post because I hope for several responses.  I am
>>> purchasing a braille display for an elementary student.  This student
>>> has excellent skills with access technology.  The student will be
>>> using it with an IDevice and a Mac running OS 10 and Windows 7.  JAWS
>>> is the screen reader on Windows.  I want a portable display but not
>>> too small so I am looking at a 32 cell display or a 40 cell display.
>>> Please let me know your experiences.  The student uses a Braillenote
>>> too.
>>> 
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Brailliant bi 40 and opening a links list

[Kaare Dehard]

Hi folks, any users of the above display or similar know how to get a links 
list through the braille keyboard? I can't seem to get that navigation down. Is 
it part of the stock list of commands, or is it one that requires customization?

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Re: braille display

[Kaare Dehard]

The Brailliant is pretty good, I like the braille. This is however the first 
display I've owned myself and had access to for more than a half hour or so. 
Moving from speech to braille has been a bit of a shift and I'll begin another 
thread, but all in all a good experience.
On 2012-10-01, at 9:00 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen  
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> Hi.
> The brailliant display has in my opinion much better braille cells. The 
> brailliant has a much better carrying case, it can not fall out, the focus 
> can fall out of the bag. You can have the brailliant display sitting on your 
> knees, that can be a little insecure with the focus. There are some 
> advantages with the focus as well, but to me the braille cells seems noisy.
> 
> I sometimes wonder why most blind people are choosing 40 cells braille 
> displays. I feel much better with something like 32 cells, and it is a little 
> more handy too.
> 
> The only thing I do not like about brailliant is that I sometimes experience 
> problems with the bluetooth conectivity on IPhone, but maybe that has been 
> solved on IPhone 5, it looks like there has been some improvements in IOS 6.
> 
> I am both using brailliant and focus. It is important that your student tries 
> the displays, because it is so different how the display works for 
> individuals.
> Best regards Annie.
> 
> Den Oct 2, 2012 kl. 12:29 AM skrev "M. Taylor" :
> 
>> Marianne,
>> 
>> I strongly recommend the Focus since your student is a Jaws user.  
>> 
>> There are definite user advantages to using the Focus with Jaws such as
>> being able to set the level of Braille firmness.  This is one of my favorite
>> features.  
>> 
>> I also like the ability to reverse the Braille panning directions on the
>> Focus.  I am not certain if this is a Focus specific setting in Jaws, but it
>> is definitely a proverbial game changer for me.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marianne Denning
>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 3:18 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: braille display
>> 
>> Scott, I think I have narrowed it down to either the Brailliant 40 or Focus
>> 40.  Since he uses JAWS the Focus 40 may be the better choice.
>> That is what I am hoping to learn.
>> 
>> On 10/1/12, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> Hello out there.
>>> I just bought a new braille display, and so far I like it. It is new 
>>> to the Mac and IOS devices. I got the Braille Edge 40 this past 
>>> weekend. The inputs are actually doing better than I was having with 
>>> my Focus 40. I didn't have ghluetooth before, and I do not now. This 
>>> display also can be a stand-alone device. It doesn't go on the 
>>> Internet like say my PacMate in theory does, but I decided I didn't need
>> that, what with having the Mac and the iPhone.
>>> 
>>> So far the only thing I'm having is loosing connection with the iPhone 
>>> and having to re-establish it. This only has happened when I turn the 
>>> Braille display off or get out of communication with the iPhone. I may 
>>> have to inquiffe about that. It doesn't lose contact while operating 
>>> so far, and I didn't have the same problem with the Mac. I've only had 
>>> it since Friday, so maybe I'm doing something wrong. If anybody has 
>>> any ideas, please let me know.
>>> Regards,
>>> Gigi
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Scott Berry  wrote:
>>> 
 Do you have any braille displays in mind?  Humanware has some.  So 
 does Freedom Scientific.
 
 
 Scott
 On 9/30/2012 12:42 PM, Marianne Denning wrote:
> This is a cross post because I hope for several responses.  I am 
> purchasing a braille display for an elementary student.  This 
> student has excellent skills with access technology.  The student 
> will be using it with an IDevice and a Mac running OS 10 and Windows 
> 7.  JAWS is the screen reader on Windows.  I want a portable display 
> but not too small so I am looking at a 32 cell display or a 40 cell
>> display.
> Please let me know your experiences.  The student uses a Braillenote 
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Re: dropbox and vo question

[Kaare Dehard]

found it, and thanks to all for your responses. I wasn't paying attention 
enough and didn't notice the "dropbox" options in the context menu right off. 
The public link for what I needed was acquired and appropriately distributed. 
Thanks again all.
On 2012-09-23, at 11:10 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Wrong.  the public link option is still there.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Sep 23, 2012, at 9:57 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I believe in the most recent version of dropbox, they have gotten rid of the 
>> copy public link option.  But,  make sure your interacting with the browser 
>> before pressing VO shift M for the context menu or, you might not get the 
>> dropbox menu.
>> 
>> hth
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Sep 23, 2012, at 10:51 PM, Kaare Dehard  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks, that part I'm squared up with. It's when I've made the grand 
>>> deposit and which to ask for a link to the file for public desimination 
>>> that I'm having troubles with..
>>> 
>>> Cheers.
>>> On 2012-09-23, at 9:53 PM, Chris Bruinenberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> i do vo+shift+m
>>>> then i go to the dropbox option.
>>>> Good luck.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Chris Bruinenberg
>>>> 
>>>> cbrui...@gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 23, 2012, at 6:52 PM, Kaare Dehard  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi folks, Just got me the mountain kitty and got drop-box all set. 
>>>>> Question: If I drop something in the public folder, how do I do a right 
>>>>> click or a ctrl-click? Thanks.
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Re: dropbox and vo question

[Kaare Dehard]

Thanks, that part I'm squared up with. It's when I've made the grand deposit 
and which to ask for a link to the file for public desimination that I'm having 
troubles with..

Cheers.
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> i do vo+shift+m
> then i go to the dropbox option.
> Good luck.
> 
> Thanks.
> Chris Bruinenberg
> 
> cbrui...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
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>> Hi folks, Just got me the mountain kitty and got drop-box all set. Question: 
>> If I drop something in the public folder, how do I do a right click or a 
>> ctrl-click? Thanks.
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dropbox and vo question

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Hi folks, Just got me the mountain kitty and got drop-box all set. Question: If 
I drop something in the public folder, how do I do a right click or a 
ctrl-click? Thanks.

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another scanning products question

[Kaare Dehard]

Hi folks. To add to these products, I heard somewhere that Eyepal was available 
for the mac. This was some time ago and I had also heard that they were working 
on improvements as it was rudimentary. 
Does anyone know how eye pal is now with the mac, have the improvements been 
made?On 2012-08-06, at 11:35 AM, Matthew Campbell wrote:

> Hello Anne.
> How do you preform OCR with Vuscan?
> Thanks,
> Matthew Campbell.
> 
> 
> On 2012-08-05, at 1:11 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Chenelle,
>> 
>> VueScan costs $39.95 for a one-year license, or $79.95 for a lifetime 
>> license. It supports the vast majority of scanners and produces excellent 
>> images. It can also do OCR but isn't as good as ABBYY FineReader for this. I 
>> think that FineReader costs around $80 dollars but can't say for sure as I'm 
>> in the euro zone not the US.
>> 
>> You have to buy VueScan direct from the developer, at
>> 
>> 
>> So, the combination of VueScan and ABBYY FineReader is cheaper than DocuScan 
>> but takes more setting up.
>> 
>> I put together a little user guide for VueScan with ABBYY FineReader, so if 
>> you choose to go that route, let me know and I'll send it to you.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 5 Aug 2012, at 15:27, Chenelle Hancock wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi  anne,
>>> 
>>> thanks so much for the  advice i really do appreciate it.  however, do abby 
>>> find reader or doc you scan cost anything and how much  would they both be 
>>> to purchase  if i had to get either one or the other?.
>>> thanks so much again for your help.
>>> sincerely, chenelle
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Re: adium verses trillion?

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Hi there, that is very subjective. May I suggest you test-drive  each of them 
in order to determine which meets your needs best? As far as I'm aware they are 
both free. Adium is available at http://www.adiumx.com and trillium is 
available in the app store.On 2012-08-05, at 12:02 PM, Kliphton wrote:

> Has anyone used both these apps?  Some say trillion is the best, some say 
> adium is.  I want the best one that works with voice over.  They both say you 
> can chat on face book, windows live, yahoo chat, Google talk, and aim.  So 
> thoughts from anyone who has used both?
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Re: Source for Macs

[Kaare Dehard]

Hi Dan, you may wish to try the macmall, try googling it, or 
http://www.appleinsider.com they have discounted pricing on some mac models.
On 2012-07-15, at 9:09 PM, Dan Rathburn wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Besides the Apple store, is there a reliable source for used or refurbished 
> Macs?
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Re: Getting an app out of full screen mode in Lion?

[Kaare Dehard]

Hi, press control-command-f to toggle this in and out of full screen mode.
On 2011-07-24, at 7:20 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> In order to do this, press control option f2 to open the window chooser menu, 
> you should have an item there that says something about switching out of full 
> screen mode.
> On Jul 23, 2011, at 11:06 PM, Doug Lawlor wrote:
> 
>> Hello list:
>> Has anyone found a way to get an app out of full screen mode? I was taking a 
>> look at Mail and pressed the button to make the app full screen. I just 
>> don't know how to get it out of this mode again.
>> 
>> Thanks, 
>> 
>> Doug
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Re: File Sharing, Windows and Mac, oh my

[Kaare Dehard]

Hi I have mine working, however I had to turn off the anti-virus third party 
stuff. My knowledge is limited, but I did add an account password… I turned on 
filesharing in windows and on the mac side in nethe system preferences. It is a 
bit spotty and had to re-boot windows a couple of times. I hope to learn more 
about networks and be able to provide a better answer in the future.
On 2011-07-24, at 3:42 PM, Jeff Bishop wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Is anyone on list able to share folders across both their Windows and Mac
> machines? I would like to be able to copy files to and from each machine if
> at all possible. I am running Windows 7 and Lion. I am wondering if Lion
> Server may help out here? Anyone got any good pointers on this topic?
> 
> I know I could use Dropbox but boy is that slow.
> 
> Jeff
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Airdrop

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Hello to all and who ever asked about airdrop. From the finder you can access 
it as a item from the go menu. I don't have both the machine running presently, 
so can't offer you anymore.

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Re: Adding voices

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Thanks, Shameless. there are times when I'm just not tuned in to it. Will give 
it a go.
On 2011-07-23, at 11:51 AM, Shameless FanGirl wrote:

> Open the VO utility, find the Speech tab and tab over to voices popup. VO 
> space on that, and arrow down to custom… select that,  and you're presented 
> with a list of all voices available, including those from Apple proper. Arrow 
> up and down through the list, until you locate one you like, tab over to 
> play, and you can hear samples of said voices. Between the list of voices, 
> and their subsequent play buttons are checkboxes for each. Check all the 
> voices you want to use, tab to the oK button, and from there, software update 
> comes up, and it behaves like ago other install. I downloaded 7 of them last 
> night via this method, was able to do them simultaneously, and it was easily 
> the fastest nearly 3 gigs I've ever downloaded. :)
> 
> I Hope that helps you
> On Jul 23, 2011, at 10:56 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote:
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>> Okay, where in the voiceover utility do you go to get the additional voices?
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Adding voices

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Okay, where in the voiceover utility do you go to get the additional voices?

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Re: Getting Nowhere Trying to Burn Lion on DVD; Help?!

[Kaare Dehard]

Hi, are you likely to get the same results from the below info if you right 
click this new image and click the "burn button?
On 2011-07-22, at 10:25 AM, Shen wrote:

> Teresa,
> Yes, you did miss a couple of steps. Here is what I did.
> 1. You were right about finding the "InstallMacLion.app" open the shortcut 
> menu and click show package content.
> 2. Find the folder called "Shared Resources".
> 3. Inside that folder, you will find a file called InstallESD.dmg.
> 4. Copy that file to a new location such as the desktop.
> 5. I think you know the rest. Launch disc Utilities and burn the dmg file to 
> a dvd.
> 
> Enjoy
> 
> On Jul 22, 2011, at 12:59 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
> 
>> Hi, all,
>> 
>> Well, clearly, I've made a decidedly wrong turn here. I may have done 
>> something entirely wrong or missed something, so here is what I've done.
>> 
>> I had to download Lion again, as it disappeared on me in the first go-round. 
>> Once I downloaded it, I found Install Lion.app in the apps folder. I used 
>> the contextual menu to find the  "show contents" option, and did not find a 
>> dmg file. I then chose 'burn to disc" and it did that.
>> 
>> I rebooted and pressed C for a number of seconds once I heard the startup 
>> sound from the Mac Mini's external speaker. I got the usual login screen. I 
>> tried it again with the same result.
>> 
>> I had doubts that a .app file/folder would burn as an image, and I am 
>> thinking I did not burn an install file to the disc.
>> 
>> What now?
>> 
>> TiA,
>> Teresa
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Re: upgrading from leopard to snowleopard

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it allows for booting from the optical drive rather than the hard disk. 
Esential for installs.
On 2011-07-17, at 10:52 AM, Deedra Waters wrote:

> By the way, what does holding down the C key do on restart?
> Kaare Dehard wrote
> | Hi, I didn't have any difficulty. Of course if you are using time machine, 
> don't forget to back up first...
> | 
> | When I did the leopard to snowy upgrade, I first backed up system with time 
> machine, just in case...
> | Then inserted the dvd and restarted... when I restarted, holding down the 
> (c) key will boot from dvd.
> | 
> | It does take quite a bit more time to boot up with dvd, so patients is the 
> key here. I then pressed command-f5 expressed more patients while voiceover 
> loaded up, then after it came on it is just a matter of working through the 
> prompts.
> | 
> | If this is your first time, feel free to take your time, and all should go 
> well.
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Re: upgrading from leopard to snowleopard

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Hi there, the ap-store does not work with leopard. Sorry but to get lion you 
need snowy to get the ap-store which then you can obtain lion.
On 2011-07-17, at 10:19 AM, Deedra Waters wrote:

> I'm not sure on this since i've not even turned the thing on yet, but
> does anyone know if the mac store works with leophard? If so would i be
> better waiting till lion is released then doing the upgrade?
> Kaare Dehard wrote
> | Hi, I didn't have any difficulty. Of course if you are using time machine, 
> don't forget to back up first...
> | 
> | When I did the leopard to snowy upgrade, I first backed up system with time 
> machine, just in case...
> | Then inserted the dvd and restarted... when I restarted, holding down the 
> (c) key will boot from dvd.
> | 
> | It does take quite a bit more time to boot up with dvd, so patients is the 
> key here. I then pressed command-f5 expressed more patients while voiceover 
> loaded up, then after it came on it is just a matter of working through the 
> prompts.
> | 
> | If this is your first time, feel free to take your time, and all should go 
> well.
> | On 2011-07-17, at 9:44 AM, Deedra Waters wrote:
> | 
> | > Does anyoneknow how easy this would be? I've got an intel mac running
> | > leopard butneed to upgrade the os. How dificult is this?
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Re: upgrading from leopard to snowleopard

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Hi, I didn't have any difficulty. Of course if you are using time machine, 
don't forget to back up first...

When I did the leopard to snowy upgrade, I first backed up system with time 
machine, just in case...
Then inserted the dvd and restarted... when I restarted, holding down the (c) 
key will boot from dvd.

It does take quite a bit more time to boot up with dvd, so patients is the key 
here. I then pressed command-f5 expressed more patients while voiceover loaded 
up, then after it came on it is just a matter of working through the prompts.

If this is your first time, feel free to take your time, and all should go well.
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> Does anyoneknow how easy this would be? I've got an intel mac running
> leopard butneed to upgrade the os. How dificult is this?
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Re: average ram for a blind user?

[Kaare Dehard]

Hi folks, I just saved my pennies and maxed out my machines as much as
 I can afford. macbook pro and imac all with 8.On 2011-06-25, at 12:45 PM, 
Geoff Shang wrote:

> On Sat, 25 Jun 2011, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
> 
>> Naama,
> 
> I'm Naama's husband.  Of course, she can answer for herself, but I helped 
> make the decision.
> 
>> you say you upgraded your iMac, and you are pleased with the results, how 
>> much did you have in the past, what speed of RAM, which Mac do you have, 
>> what bus speed, what processor, how fast was the spin speed on your hard 
>> drive, what cache level etc.
> 
> This is a 2011-model iMac withan I5 quad-core and a 500 gb 7200 RPM hard 
> drive.  We bought it with the extra RAM.
> 
>> you are implying that the pure RAM improvement made this difference, but the 
>> implication is that you had a perfect machine and that the RAM slowed things 
>> down, you may have had a lesser machine, and the RAM made things better for 
>> you.
> 
> Actually, she didn't imply this.  She actually said:
> 
> "I upgraded my iMac to 8gigs of ram and I am not sorry in the learst."
> 
> This is not to say that she would have been unhappy with 4 gb of RAM, just 
> that she's happy she opted to buy the extra 4 gb.
> 
> It is quite possible that a recent iMac will operate just fine on 4 gb of RAM 
> for the foreseeable future.  But macs are not cheap.  As things are, we could 
> not really afford to make this purchase, but we did because another computer 
> died and we felt it was time to make the switch.  As such, we felt that 8 gb 
> of RAM would future-proof the machine as much as possible without being a 
> major expense.
> 
> It's worth remembering that the iMac by default comes with 4 gb of RAM. Yes, 
> it also comes wiht Garage Band and iMovie Maker, and quite possibly that 4 gb 
> of RAM is to accommodate these sorts of software.  But the fact is that it 
> does ship with it and we use VoiceOver on top of these things.
> 
> Someone already mentioned the system requirements for Lion.  I can't help but 
> wonder how much RAM the 2012 or 2013 era iMacs will ship with.
> 
> I guess my view is that if you can afford the upgrade and plan to get the 
> most out of your mac, there's no harm in doing it.  Certainly it won't harm 
> anything.  If things are running fine and you can't really justify the 
> expense, don't worry about it for now.
> 
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Re: bible app for the mac?

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I can't spell either:) you may wish to either google it or respond to cj's 
email for his disk image. I don't have mine any more.
On 2011-06-15, at 10:10 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote:

> Is that going to be in the app store, or do I have to google it?
> Kliphton SR
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> 
> On Jun 15, 2011, at 9:04 PM, Kaare Dehard wrote:
> 
>> the name of the app you're looking for is elequent.
>> On 2011-06-15, at 9:02 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote:
>> 
>>> Someone posted the name of a bible app for the Mac, said it use to be 
>>> called macsword, but now it's something else.  Could that person post that 
>>> app name again please?  Thanks.
>>> Kliphton SR
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Re: bible app for the mac?

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the name of the app you're looking for is elequent.
On 2011-06-15, at 9:02 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote:

> Someone posted the name of a bible app for the Mac, said it use to be called 
> macsword, but now it's something else.  Could that person post that app name 
> again please?  Thanks.
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Re: netflix on the mac???

[Kaare Dehard]

Hi, have done this and got the t-shirt. There is a version of silverlight for 
the mac, and it works for netflix. I had the trial and used it for a couple of 
days. I didn't find any real accessibility show-stopers to excuse the bad pun.
On 2011-06-07, at 8:49 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote:

> Tried to to  watch netflix on my new imac, it's asking me to install 
> microsoft silver light, I'm asumming there is no mac version, so how do I 
> watch netflix on the mac??
> 
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Re: All the new features in Lion

[Kaare Dehard]

probably! What I look at is does this benefit me? I just conservatively use, 
and toward the end of the month, procrastonating the decision, until some 
reviews come out, and snap it up before my gig limit which I never reach most 
months gets snapped up. That month I'll actually use what I pay for!
On 2011-06-07, at 4:00 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> Now just imagine you live in canada  and you have a 20 gb softcap on your 
> adsl.  Even if you have cable with a 60 gb cap are you really going to want 
> this juggernaut?
> 
> Best,
> 
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> User support consultant,
> Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf,
> 1-888-255-5194
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> 
> On 2011-06-07, at 2:00 PM, Shen wrote:
> 
>> 4gb is such a relative term. Who knows exactly what the size of the
>> download will be. It could be 4.2 GB.
>> If you are not 1 of those people who has to have it the day it is
>> released, I'm almost willing to bet that there will be enough noise
>> made that Apple will have to put it on a DVD for people to purchase.
>> Just give it a little time.
>> I don't think people are ready for such a large download. Imagine, if
>> you have a standard T1 speed on your DSL connection. Assuming the
>> download speed is steady at the maximum throughput, it will take close
>> to 8 hours to download 4GB.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/7/11, Brandon Misch  wrote:
>>> i read somewhere about it being 4gb.
>>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2011, at 9:59 AM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>>> 
 Dude, are you serious? I would much rather buy it!
 
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 Subject: Re: All the new features in Lion
 
 i think the size of the download will be 4gb.
 
 On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:10 AM, Nickus de Vos wrote:
 
> Hi all, I think it's going to be a problem for a lot of people that
> the lion isn't availible on disc, one reason would be as you mentioned
> hard drive chrashes etc and the other is that you would have to
> download it and I saw something about a 4 GB download. Everybody
> doesn't have fast uncapped internet. Who knows if it comes out and
> people start complaining apple will maybe release it on disc. I'm glad
> that it's only $29 though...
> 
> Donna Goodin wrote:
>> Yeah,  there's a fair amount about VO in the list of new features that
 Seren forwarded yesterday.
>> Donna
>> 
>> On Jun 7, 2011, at 12:49 AM, Zachary Kline wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Ricardo,
>>> They do mention VO on both the Lion and iOS 5 sites, as a matter of
 fact.
>>> Best,
>>> Zack.
>>> On Jun 6, 2011, at 7:44 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>> 
 I wish they would at least put out some notes about voiceover when
 they
 put out the features list for  the new OS.  I don't expect Apple to devote
 time to Voiceover in the keynote of course but, I don't think it should be
 much trouble to mention new VO features on the site.
 
 JMO.
 
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 On Jun 6, 2011, at 10:13 PM, Brandon Misch wrote:
 
> this all sounds great. good thing voiceover has some new features.
> 
> On Jun 6, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Søren Jensen wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> You can already see the new features in Lion at the following link:
>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/whats-new/features.html
>> Best regards:
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Re: All the new features in Lion

[Kaare Dehard]

I think there will be some apethy about this, as a lot of people who download 
large torrent files won't care.

I can't help but wonder if this technology is coming before people are actually 
ready psychologicly for the change to this cloud computing stuff. Sometimes 
perfectly great stuff flops because although the concepts are great, they come 
before people are willing or able to except them.
On 2011-06-07, at 2:00 PM, Shen wrote:

> 4gb is such a relative term. Who knows exactly what the size of the
> download will be. It could be 4.2 GB.
> If you are not 1 of those people who has to have it the day it is
> released, I'm almost willing to bet that there will be enough noise
> made that Apple will have to put it on a DVD for people to purchase.
> Just give it a little time.
> I don't think people are ready for such a large download. Imagine, if
> you have a standard T1 speed on your DSL connection. Assuming the
> download speed is steady at the maximum throughput, it will take close
> to 8 hours to download 4GB.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/7/11, Brandon Misch  wrote:
>> i read somewhere about it being 4gb.
>> 
>> On Jun 7, 2011, at 9:59 AM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>> 
>>> Dude, are you serious? I would much rather buy it!
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
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>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 8:17 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: All the new features in Lion
>>> 
>>> i think the size of the download will be 4gb.
>>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:10 AM, Nickus de Vos wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all, I think it's going to be a problem for a lot of people that
 the lion isn't availible on disc, one reason would be as you mentioned
 hard drive chrashes etc and the other is that you would have to
 download it and I saw something about a 4 GB download. Everybody
 doesn't have fast uncapped internet. Who knows if it comes out and
 people start complaining apple will maybe release it on disc. I'm glad
 that it's only $29 though...
 
 Donna Goodin wrote:
> Yeah,  there's a fair amount about VO in the list of new features that
>>> Seren forwarded yesterday.
> Donna
> 
> On Jun 7, 2011, at 12:49 AM, Zachary Kline wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ricardo,
>> They do mention VO on both the Lion and iOS 5 sites, as a matter of
>>> fact.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>> On Jun 6, 2011, at 7:44 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> I wish they would at least put out some notes about voiceover when
>>> they
>>> put out the features list for  the new OS.  I don't expect Apple to devote
>>> time to Voiceover in the keynote of course but, I don't think it should be
>>> much trouble to mention new VO features on the site.
>>> 
>>> JMO.
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
>>> www.mobileaccess.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2011, at 10:13 PM, Brandon Misch wrote:
>>> 
 this all sounds great. good thing voiceover has some new features.
 
 On Jun 6, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Søren Jensen wrote:
 
> Hi.
> 
> You can already see the new features in Lion at the following link:
> http://www.apple.com/macosx/whats-new/features.html
> Best regards:
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Re: Voice Over and Pages

[Kaare Dehard]

okay, try interacting with the area using vo-shift- down arrow first.

On 2011-06-04, at 11:49 PM, Sonnia wrote:

> Hello Teresa. :) Honestly, i am not sure what i am doing wrong: i know
> exactly where you are talking about on the page. I found the area to
> interact with but when i am typing in the document,  i get audio
> feedback from VO that what i type isn't being entered. It just makes a
> noise everytime i type a letter but it doesn't speak the text the way
> it should. I don't know if this means there's no text being entered
> (if it doesn't show up on the screen) or if VO can't read it back for
> some reason. I am using my macbook more and more now a days and would
> love to see why this doesn't work. Either that or if someone can help
> me find text editor, that's fair enough.
> 
> Teresa Cochran wrote:
>> Hi, Sonnia,
>> 
>> When you enter the blank template, go to where it says "body" and then 
>> interact with it by pressing VO-shift-down-arrow. Now you can type and do 
>> whatever you like, and it should show up.
>> 
>> hTH,
>> Teresa
>> On Jun 2, 2011, at 3:15 PM, Sonnia wrote:
>> 
>>> Actually i have not done any formatting stuff because i can't get past
>>> this problem i am having (i can't type anywhere.)  I love my macbook,
>>> i use it for movies and itunes etc. It's great but this word
>>> processing issue is annoying.
>>> 
>>> richard watson wrote:
 Hi Sonia,
 Have you done any work with columns and formatting text such as
 knowing what font and style things are set to. I am a new pages user
 as well, a recent mac convert.
 thanks
 rick
 
 
 On 6/2/11, Sonnia  wrote:
> Hello. @Anne, i also use the blank template. I noticed i don't have
> this problem (not finding where to type) with a document that already
> has text in it. It's just blank docs that give me a hard time. @
> Matthew i have no clue which version of Iworks i have, i recently went
> under the apple menu and selected the software update feature so i am
> assuming all is up to date.
> 
> Anne Robertson wrote:
>> Hello Sonnia,
>> 
>> What kind of document did you open in Pages? I always select the blank
>> document.
>> 
>> After interacting with Page 1, you should be able to find more elements
>> with which to interact.
>> 
>> Have you listened to the VoiceOver On podcast about Pages and Keynote? It
>> might make things clearer.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> On 1 Jun 2011, at 10:20, Sonnia wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Zack! I do hear exactly what you mentioned: "page 1 group." I
>>> interact with it and hear "interact with group." I can't find anything
>>> else (i type and don't hear my typing spoken back.) I just hear one of
>>> those sound effects trying to tell me my key input doesn't produce
>>> anything.
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Re: Insertion point

[Kaare Dehard]

Hi Ray, I agree with you in an ideal world and all that stuff. I am now a very 
comfy mac user, the only concepts I have not wrapped my head around are the 
delete thing as mentioned prior in this thread, and the groups mode. We all 
have to emerse as much as comfortable and productive 
On 2011-06-01, at 9:12 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Uh, yeah, sure, you can do that; but, why?  Seems to me that if one is going 
> to take the time to learn Voice Over, should not one totally emerce 
> himself/herself in the Mac world?  I myself thought I might take the curser 
> adjustment approach, but, after trying it, I came quickly to see the wisdem 
> of doing things the Mac way.  Still, that option is indeed there; if, for 
> some strange reason, you should feel the temporary need of it.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 1, 2011, at 8:01 PM, Jim Fettgather wrote:
> 
>> Also, in VoiceOver utilities, you can go to the Verbosity category,
>> select the Text tab, and then Select the Speak text to the right of
>> the cursor PopUp button.
>> 
>> I am really glad that this option exists.
>> 
>> On 6/1/11, carolyn Haas  wrote:
>>> Hi David:
>>> Welcom to Mac!:)
>>> 
>>> I actually haven't run across this question a lot.  But, I struggled with
>>> the same issue when starting out with the Mac.  Now, when I go back to that
>>> other system, I'm all thumbs when I have to edit anything. (and I don't mean
>>> the thumbs that can text well either.:)
>>> 
>>> I liked Ray's annalogy.  I'd suggest spending a little time with the text
>>> edit app just writing and working with your delete/backspace key to make it
>>> more familiar to you.  This will make more sense in time.  It's just a
>>> re-learning process.:)
>>> 
>>> One thing that you might find useful is that you can delete to the right of
>>> the cursor by using your FN-key with the delete/backspace to do a forward
>>> delete.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> hth
>>> 
>>> On Jun 1, 2011, at 2:22 PM, David Eagle wrote:
>>> 
 Hello,
 I'm sure this has been asked on this list loads of times but I must
 ask, since I can't find the answer in Google. I have used windows for
 years, I use windows everyday at work. I cannot come home and suddenly
 get to grips with the way that Voice-Over deals
 with cursoring through text. I'm sure you know what I mean. If I was
 using a windows computer with or without a screenreader,
 I could edit text both the same way. My head is hurting with the new
 way of cursoring through text and I'm making so many mistakes; It is
 taking me ages to write simple documents. Is th--
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Re: mac book

[Kaare Dehard]

Hi there, For me it was the most difficult part of my switching experience, but 
like with everything else my difficulties arose from the fact that I expected 
certain types of behavior and didn't get what I had expected:). 
It did take me about 4 or 5 days to embrace the differences and find new ways 
to do old tasks, however once that curve had been climbed, I use safari 
exclusively at home for all of my surfing needs.
On 2011-05-22, at 7:06 AM, gerry cook wrote:

> Hi everyone!  I'm thinking, about getting a mac book pro, and I heard that 
> the web navigation is more difficult with safari, than what i'm use to with 
> jaws, and windows.  I'd love some opinions, and  really enjoying the iphone 
> as i do I was thinking about going with the mac.
> cheers gerry skype gerry.cook1
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Re: Voiceover improvements when updating OS

[Kaare Dehard]

lots of snappiness improvements with vo as far as when you upgrade from 
leopard. In snowy it's also possible to lable controls with a hotkey that 
escapes me for now. Handy when you have a fairly accessible app and no labels 
on some controls.
On 2011-04-12, at 3:43 PM, bigboy529 wrote:

> Hi I used a Mac for the first time today and I must say that I was
> surprised by how good voiceover actually was. Just a question or 2,
> the mac pro I used has OS 10.5.8, will I see any improvements in VO if
> I update OS to the latest 10.6.7 or whatever it is these days? Then
> something else, I found the quik start mac tutorial thing helpfull but
> is there any more tutorials I can get someware, something which will
> teach me some more? The last question for now, I've read someware that
> it is possible to save your VO prefferences on a flash drive to use it
> on another machine, is it possible to save these settings in a file/
> files and then email it to someone to use on their machine?
> Thanks a lot...
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Re: What software comes with Mac OS?

[Kaare Dehard]

I use skype in a limited capacity, I add contacts and make voice and video 
calls. I can speak to it's accessibility from that point of viiew. Yep, it 
works. 

I am not however a full skype feature set user, so you may wish to seek more 
input from others on the list.
On 2011-04-06, at 5:08 AM, bigboy529 wrote:

> is skype accessible using VO?
> 
> Zachary Kline wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Speaking from experience, iChat is accessible, but Adium is preferable. I 
>> have multiple accounts which iChat doesn't support.  You can configure iChat 
>> to speak in a similar manner to Adium, but overall for better functionality 
>> the latter wins hands down.  That being said, I know some people will 
>> probably like iChat for its video conferencing and voice chat abilities, 
>> which as far as I'm aware Adium hasn't quite caught up to yet.  There's also 
>> the fact that yes, it does come with Mac OS, which is nice for convenience 
>> reasons.
>> Hope this helps,
>> Zack.
>> On Apr 5, 2011, at 5:16 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
>> 
>>> Regarding the Ichat application, it's ok as long as you don't have an MSN 
>>> or Facebook account. Someone can correct me on this, but I think Ichat only 
>>> supports Aim. However, you can download a program called Adium free. Don't 
>>> know the website, or should I say forgot it, but google is your friend. 
>>> BTW, is Ichat even accessible?
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> 
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where to start

[Kaare Dehard]

Hi folks.

This is for the developers in the crowd.

I've never programmed anything modern, and would like to try to get started 
learning.

Keeps tv re-runs from causing brain rott.

Question is, after signing up as an apple developer, where is the best place to 
start with all the documentation. I need to get the basics and with all that 
documentation, a starting point would be appreciated.

Thanks!

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Re: question about backing up

[Kaare Dehard]

Hi Try this it may do to help you back up.

After plugging in the external, do a vm-m twice, then right arrow to the time 
machine menu.
Arrow down to back-up and enter on it...
On 2011-04-02, at 4:05 PM, Laura Bratton wrote:

> HI All,
> Last week I got an external hard drive. I was able to perform the first 
> backup just fine. 
> Now I want to perform another backup since it has been a week. I am not able 
> to do this though. I connected the external drive to my mac and then opened 
> timeMachine. Nothing happened when I opened time-machine. What am I doing 
> wrong? any help would be appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Laura 
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Re: introduction

[Kaare Dehard]

you're right almost went nuts not forgetting windows reflexes, and I thought I 
had an open mind when all it was was a empty cavity:).
On 2011-04-02, at 11:31 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

> Hi Sarah:
> That is the major drawback I see newbys do. They are trying to learn the Mac 
> and VO as if they are Windows, and Jaws. That is where a lot of frustration 
> comes from.
> On Apr 1, 2011, at 11:11 PM, Sarah May wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi.  I know that the Mac isn't windows and that Voice over isn't Jaws.  I
>> will treat them as their own individuals.  Thanks for the advice though.
>> 
>> Sarah
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarai Bucciarelli
>> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 7:20 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: introduction
>> 
>> Hi:
>> Just remember, Voiceover isn't Jaws, and the Mac isn't Windows. If you treat
>> them as individuals, you will be fine.
>> On Apr 1, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Sarah May wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Sarah,
>>> 
>>> I chuckled loudly when I read the first line of your message.  Yes, I 
>>> did make out really well for my birthday. *grin*  My friend was 
>>> envious and jealous of me because my Mac is newer than his.  Oh well.  
>>> He can get over it and has.
>>> 
>>> Anyhow, I will take your advice and download the podcasts from Blind 
>>> Cool tech.  I knew I would have somewhat of a learning curve with the 
>>> Mac.  So I am dealing with the frustrations as best as I can.  I look 
>>> forward to the classes and the over the phone training.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the warm welcome Sarah along with others from the list.
>>> 
>>> Sarah
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarai 
>>> Bucciarelli
>>> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 8:40 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: introduction
>>> 
>>> Hi Sarah:
>>> Dang, girl! You so made out for your Birthday! Nice going! First of 
>>> all, go to www.blindcooltech.com. Listen to all podcasts done by Mike 
>>> Arrigo. They will help you out. You will love 1-to1 training. April 
>>> 13th will by my year anaversery with the Mac. You will love it. We've 
>>> all had those frustrations, that's normal. I have a Macbook Pro, 
>>> iPhone, iPod Nano, and Apple TV. I'm quite happy with my Apple 
>>> products. I use an apex, not a Braillesense, so can't help.
>>> 
>>> On Mar 31, 2011, at 7:54 PM, Sarah May wrote:
>>> 
 Hi List!
 
 My name is Sarah.  I'm from Minneapolis, Minnesota and am mostly blind.
>>> For my birthday, a little over a month ago, I received a Macbook.  I 
>>> have always been a PC and Jaws user.  A friend of mine, who visited me 
>>> this past September, had his Macbook with him and he used voice over 
>>> with it.  I thought it was so cool and seemed more user friendly than 
>>> Jaws.  So when my parents gave me the Macbook for my birthday, along 
>>> with a year's worth of training over the phone and at the Apple store 
>>> through Apple cares; I was utterly amazed and taken aback.  My friend, 
>>> who introduced me to the Mac, was in town for my birthday.  My Mom 
>>> said "your Dad and I thought it would be a perfect time to give it to 
>>> you because Mark can help you get acquainted with it while he's here."  
>>> I do love my Macbook and the voice over voices are so much better than 
>>> Jaws voice selections by far!  I am having some frustrations with the 
>>> Mac, but I knew that would be par for the course, because I am 
>>> learning a new type of computer and software.  I alos am unable to 
>>> receive my e-mail through my Macbook yet.  For some reason when I try 
>>> to set up my G mail account, either I do something wrong, or it just 
>>> doesn't want to accept the settings.  Besides that I am navigating 
>>> Safari quite well.  I need to call and set up an appointment, with the 
>>> people at the Apple store near me, to start my year's worth of 
>>> training.  I also received an I-Pod shuffle from my brother along with 
>>> a twenty-five dollar I-tunes gift card from my niece and nephew.  So I 
>>> will be all set with Apple products.  I don't have an I-phone though.  
>>> I looked at one when I needed to purchase a new phone.  It wouldn't 
>>> work for me.  I have very short, wide, and stubby fingers.  When I 
>>> tried to use the touch screen pad the commands wouldn't work for me.  So
>> I'm sticking with Verizon.  I have their Haven phone which I love.
 
 I'm hoping that all you experienced Mac users with voice over will be 
 able
>>> to answer all the questions that is newbie will have for you when I 
>>> get stuck in a jam. *smile*  I know that I'll love switching over to 
>>> the Mac even though I'll get frustrated from time-to-time.  Also I'm 
>>> wondering if any of you are Braille Sense product users?  And if so 
>>> are you able to use your Braille Sense product

Re: Accessible Games For The Mac

[Kaare Dehard]

I had a bad time with it, I clicked on the download link for the installer and 
got jibberish on my screen... No downloads folder with an install.

On 2011-04-01, at 4:58 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:

> Hi,
> Oh, wow, audioquake works on the mac, do you have a specific URL to get it?
> Courtney
> On Apr 1, 2011, at 1:41 AM, James Malone wrote:
> 
>> Oh, don't forget Audio Quake on the mac. I have yet to try it, but 
>> apparently its great.
>> On 01/04/2011, at 4:26 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi. I was just reading the latest digest for the list and someone asked 
>>> about accessible games for the Mac. And the answer is, yes, there are 
>>> indeed other accessible games for this lovely computer besides Chess. 
>>> There's a company called RS Games that have made their games 
>>> cross-platformed. Their game client includes Monopoly, Uno, Blackjack, and 
>>> Yatzee. Check them out at http://zanosoft.net/rsgames/ and try them out for 
>>> yourself. The games are self-voicing so you can turn off or mute Voice Over.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
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Re: introduction

[Kaare Dehard]

also voiceover does have some pretty good help available and of course as 
mentioned the keyboard help. The voiceover help is accessed with vo-h.

Cheers, and good to see you've given this platform a chance.
On 2011-04-01, at 1:25 PM, Sarah May wrote:

> 
> Hi Sarah,
> 
> I chuckled loudly when I read the first line of your message.  Yes, I did
> make out really well for my birthday. *grin*  My friend was envious and
> jealous of me because my Mac is newer than his.  Oh well.  He can get over
> it and has.
> 
> Anyhow, I will take your advice and download the podcasts from Blind Cool
> tech.  I knew I would have somewhat of a learning curve with the Mac.  So I
> am dealing with the frustrations as best as I can.  I look forward to the
> classes and the over the phone training.
> 
> Thanks for the warm welcome Sarah along with others from the list.
> 
> Sarah
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarai Bucciarelli
> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 8:40 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: introduction
> 
> Hi Sarah:
> Dang, girl! You so made out for your Birthday! Nice going! First of all, go
> to www.blindcooltech.com. Listen to all podcasts done by Mike Arrigo. They
> will help you out. You will love 1-to1 training. April 13th will by my year
> anaversery with the Mac. You will love it. We've all had those frustrations,
> that's normal. I have a Macbook Pro, iPhone, iPod Nano, and Apple TV. I'm
> quite happy with my Apple products. I use an apex, not a Braillesense, so
> can't help. 
> 
> On Mar 31, 2011, at 7:54 PM, Sarah May wrote:
> 
>> Hi List!
>> 
>> My name is Sarah.  I'm from Minneapolis, Minnesota and am mostly blind.
> For my birthday, a little over a month ago, I received a Macbook.  I have
> always been a PC and Jaws user.  A friend of mine, who visited me this past
> September, had his Macbook with him and he used voice over with it.  I
> thought it was so cool and seemed more user friendly than Jaws.  So when my
> parents gave me the Macbook for my birthday, along with a year's worth of
> training over the phone and at the Apple store through Apple cares; I was
> utterly amazed and taken aback.  My friend, who introduced me to the Mac,
> was in town for my birthday.  My Mom said "your Dad and I thought it would
> be a perfect time to give it to you because Mark can help you get acquainted
> with it while he's here."  I do love my Macbook and the voice over voices
> are so much better than Jaws voice selections by far!  I am having some
> frustrations with the Mac, but I knew that would be par for the course,
> because I am learning a new type of computer and software.  I alos am unable
> to receive my e-mail through my Macbook yet.  For some reason when I try to
> set up my G mail account, either I do something wrong, or it just doesn't
> want to accept the settings.  Besides that I am navigating Safari quite
> well.  I need to call and set up an appointment, with the people at the
> Apple store near me, to start my year's worth of training.  I also received
> an I-Pod shuffle from my brother along with a twenty-five dollar I-tunes
> gift card from my niece and nephew.  So I will be all set with Apple
> products.  I don't have an I-phone though.  I looked at one when I needed to
> purchase a new phone.  It wouldn't work for me.  I have very short, wide,
> and stubby fingers.  When I tried to use the touch screen pad the commands
> wouldn't work for me.  So I'm sticking with Verizon.  I have their Haven
> phone which I love.
>> 
>> I'm hoping that all you experienced Mac users with voice over will be able
> to answer all the questions that is newbie will have for you when I get
> stuck in a jam. *smile*  I know that I'll love switching over to the Mac
> even though I'll get frustrated from time-to-time.  Also I'm wondering if
> any of you are Braille Sense product users?  And if so are you able to use
> your Braille Sense product with the Mac?  I have a Braille Sense Plus.  I'm
> just curious.
>> 
>> Well, I thought I'd introduce myself by saying hello and look forward in
> learning a lot from this list.
>> 
>> Sarah
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Re: An informal Podcast regarding Pro Tools

[Kaare Dehard]

Hi Kevin, got a 404 error when trying to access.
On 2011-03-19, at 3:00 AM, Kevin Reeves wrote:

> Hey folks. While cleaning my apartment at 4 in the morning, I turned on the 
> iPod and did about an hour or so worth of stream of consciousness chatting 
> regarding Pro Tools. I go through it's back story on how we got where we are 
> now, and tried to answer the 2 main questions that everyone's posing right 
> now.
> 
> 1. How accessible is it, ie, what can I do with it.
> 
> 2. How much better or worse is it than Sonar.
> 
> I think that a tutorial is important, but like everyone else, the time it 
> takes is really daunting. So, for now, I'm gonna throw up some really 
> informal things just to get some dialog started. Maybe I'll even do some 
> quick recording of me working on a session so that folks can get an idea of 
> how Pro Tools operates in a real world situation. This might be better than 
> trying to plan out a huge tutorial. At least this would give potential 
> switchers a chance to hear it in action, allow me to discuss what I'm doing 
> while I'm doing it, and be able to see what I'm able to accomplish. But for 
> now, enjoy this discussion. It will be appearing on Blind Cool Tech soon. 
> I've uploaded it to their servers.
> 
> http://kevinreeves.net/InformalProToolsTalk.mp3.
> 
> Thanks so much, and I hope this sort of sheds some light for folks who have 
> not yet made the decision to get a rig.
> 
> Kevin
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Re: Macbook Pro VS. Macbook Air.

[Kaare Dehard]

if you're doing something like music production that requires a lot of space on 
a grand scale then the pro. Mine was my desktop replacement.

On 2011-03-07, at 7:29 PM, Wes Smith wrote:

> So I'm trying to decide between a Macbook Pro, or a Macbook AIr.  I would get 
> a educational discount (I'm in college.)  I looked at the specs, and they 
> both look good.  Though, the MAcbook Air is only flash, and it's biggest is 
> 128 gig I think.  While the Macbook pro has a 500 gig HD (I wouldn't need 
> that, just 320 gigs.)  And, the Macbook Pro  solid state, and it has a 
> superdrive, while the Macbook AIr doesn't.   I don't really care about the 
> weight and how thin the Macbook Air is.  SO, I guess my question would be, 
> what do you  guys recommend?  It's a toss up for me.  LOL.
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Re: macbook air vs ipad 2

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I think that the refresh of the air was done last month, and they don't really 
sem to release new products in cycles shorter than yearly. If you can afford 
the waiting, it may be as early as next year before a new one comes out.
On 2011-03-05, at 8:41 PM, Denise Avant wrote:

> hi,
> thanks everyone for the input. i will do the air, though i may wait to see if 
> apple releases a new one.
> 
> On Mar 5, 2011, at 7:10 PM, Neil James wrote:
> 
>> Agreed. The air is a really nice machine. If you have the means and wouldn't 
>> mind a slightly larger machine though, I hardily recomamnd the 13 inch air 
>> with the faster cpu and twice the capacity of the ssd. I have the 13 inch 
>> air with the 128 gig ssd and 4 gb ram and it is screaming fast for what my 
>> needs are.
>> 
>> Neil
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 4, 2011, at 9:53 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote:
>> 
>>> air has also got my vote. unless there is something that is both ipad and 
>>> ios specific you are hoping to accomplish...
>>> On 2011-03-04, at 12:50 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The IPad is wonderful but honestly, the Air is probably a better fit if 
>>>> you have the IPhone already.
>>>> 
>>>> Typing is easier for most with a real keyboard and you get the whole OSx 
>>>> environment.  The Air should also be more powerful.
>>>> 
>>>> Either device will be good but I'd vote air.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 4, 2011, at 5:48 AM, Denise Avant wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> hello all,
>>>>> i am contemplating getting another apple device. i need something that is 
>>>>> light to take when i travel. i was thinking of the ipad 2 because you can 
>>>>> get pages to write with. the only problem here is that there is no port 
>>>>> for external media like a usb drive, is there?
>>>>> my other alternative is that i can get the macbook air. but its a little 
>>>>> bigger. i really don't need a screen. but i would have a port for 
>>>>> external media. of course i would miss all of those apps you can have on 
>>>>> the ipad.
>>>>> that can be negated by the fact that i have an iphone.
>>>>> well, i would be interested in hearing from those with the air. i know 
>>>>> the ipad 2 is not out yet, but i'm sure there are some first generation 
>>>>> ipad users here.
>>>>> thanks.
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Re: macbook air vs ipad 2

[Kaare Dehard]

air has also got my vote. unless there is something that is both ipad and ios 
specific you are hoping to accomplish...
On 2011-03-04, at 12:50 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

> The IPad is wonderful but honestly, the Air is probably a better fit if you 
> have the IPhone already.
> 
> Typing is easier for most with a real keyboard and you get the whole OSx 
> environment.  The Air should also be more powerful.
> 
> Either device will be good but I'd vote air.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 4, 2011, at 5:48 AM, Denise Avant wrote:
> 
>> hello all,
>> i am contemplating getting another apple device. i need something that is 
>> light to take when i travel. i was thinking of the ipad 2 because you can 
>> get pages to write with. the only problem here is that there is no port for 
>> external media like a usb drive, is there?
>> my other alternative is that i can get the macbook air. but its a little 
>> bigger. i really don't need a screen. but i would have a port for external 
>> media. of course i would miss all of those apps you can have on the ipad.
>> that can be negated by the fact that i have an iphone.
>> well, i would be interested in hearing from those with the air. i know the 
>> ipad 2 is not out yet, but i'm sure there are some first generation ipad 
>> users here.
>> thanks.
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Re: accessible apple devices

[Kaare Dehard]

as far as I know Joe, the ipod clasics are not accessible. Apple tv is, and all 
other ipods. s
On 2011-03-04, at 11:31 AM, Joe Paton wrote:

> Hi folks,
> 
> Which apple devices are not accessible with vo?
> 
> Obviously I know about the IPhone, IPad, Mac computer range;  For example, 
> are all ipods, ipod touches, Nanos accessible?
> 
> Many Many thanks,
> 
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Re: some good and some possibly bad news for bo users

[Kaare Dehard]

I doubt ole alex is getting the elbow from apple. They have novelty voices and 
other stuff like fred that is still about from the 80s, so given the way they 
like to keep stuff alex has a long way to go before getting a divorce from 
apple.
On 2011-03-02, at 12:11 PM, carolyn Haas wrote:

> Hi Mary:
> I recently wrote to Apple Accessibility regarding voicing.  I inquired about 
> the possibility of the Alex voice being made available for the iPad.  The 
> response I got was encouraging in that Accessibility indicated they had 
> gotten a lot of good feedback about Alex, and they couldn't comment as to 
> whether he'd be brought over there.  Nothing in their response seemed to 
> point toward  his being retired, but instead, they , mentioned his 
> popularity.:)
> 
> So, there's a bit of hope for us Alex fans.
> 
> 
> 
> Carolyn
> On Mar 2, 2011, at 9:46 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
> 
>> According to the article found at
>> http://www.tuaw.com/
>> Mac OS 10 offers high quality multi-lingual voices,
>> There are going to be a whole lot of high quality voices, in a variety of 
>> languages, available for download in the next iteration of Apple's os. For 
>> me, the one possible sour note was the reference to Samantha and Tom as an 
>> improvement over Alex that we have now. I hope this will not mean that Apple 
>> will decide to retire Alex in favor of what are, for me at least, vastly 
>> inferior voices in Samantha and Tom. There will be other English voices, the 
>> ones we know on the IPhone. Indeed, it sounds like the voices that are 
>> coming to Lion are those we now have on the I-devices. Great for speakers of 
>> languages other than English. Great for folks who prefer a non-U.S. English 
>> reading voice. But a definite leap backwards if they can Alex in favor of 
>> what's on the IPhone now, even if they include the male voice.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> Mary Otten
>> motte...@gmail.com
>> 
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Re: Mac OS X Lion

[Kaare Dehard]

it's a developer version, so let them know it's hastling you. As the eventual 
consumer, I'll love ya for it man.
On 2011-02-28, at 3:40 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:

> I'm trying to install OSX lion on my 2010 macbook pro, and it gives me
> an error after preparing to install. Am I dong something wrong? I'm
> just installing the system in the same partition as my current one,
> macintosh hd.
> Should I be doing something different? I didn't make any changes when
> I burned the disk image, I simply burned it with disk utility.
> 
> On 2/27/11, T wood  wrote:
>> I highly doubt it. I would really like to actually see all 4 gb of ram with
>> sl being used. I've tried and the most I can get it up to is 2 point
>> something. Fusion, I can see if you had a virtual machine, but even then 2
>> for each gets me by just fine.
>> 
>> Yet again, the price of the ssd was absolutely rediculous. Considering I
>> have a lot of things I like to bring with me, going to the 512 gb ssd for
>> over 500 dollars was crazy. Yes, I did want a bad (insert language here)
>> computer, but I just couldn't justify it, battery life increase or not.
>> 
>> 
>> On 2011-02-25, at 4:36 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>> 
>>> If your experiencing slow writes, get an SSD. If your utilising all of
>>> your 4GB then perhaps an upgrade is in order, but SSD's decrease
>>> bootup time and the time it takes to open apps amongst other things.
>>> 
>>> On 25/02/2011, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
 Actually I might bun my next laptop up to 8 but tha'ts just me. Iwant the
 fasted thing inteh universe, Ok not really but I'm not happy wiht 4 gigs.
 My
 mac still slows down when saving  a 4 hour long file lol!
 Sarah Alawami
 
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 On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:11 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
 
> Lets be honest though, it's not like ram is expencive unless your
> looking for ddr which you won't be. Even on sl, you should see a
> difference if you bump it up to 2 or 4GB.
> 
> On 25/02/2011, Brandon Misch  wrote:
>> i know
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>> 
>>> If it is, you're screwed.
>>> 
>>> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
>>> Skype: leogirl48
>>> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
>>> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 1:47 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
>>> 
>>> i hope that it isn't over 1 gb
>>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>>> 
 I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the ram requirements
 are.
 
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 Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
 
 i can't say yet
 
 On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:34 AM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
 
> Do you think my mac will run it? I have a regular mac book with two
> gigs
 of
> ram.
> 
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> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:46 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
> 
> i just hope the ram requirements aren't higher this time.
> 
> On Feb 24, 2011, at 8:39 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
> 
>> I'd like to be one. I just don't have the hardware to dedicate to
>> the
> task. :(
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> On Feb 24, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>> 
>>> Wonders if there are any blind VoiceOver developers or beta
>>> testers?
 This
> is very important, considering this is a major Mac OS X update. It
> needs
 to
> be tested thoroughly. Based on polling Twitter, specific followers
>>

Re: demand for yet another podcast?

[Kaare Dehard]

sounds great, I like the work mike has done, but there really is a lot of room 
for alternate perspectives.
On 2011-02-23, at 5:45 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> Hi guys,
> 
> Sometime in the next few days a new macbook is arriving here.  It's a custom 
> built with 8 gb ram and solid state drive...  the works.
> 
> Is there demand for yet another podcast series?  Another person taking a new 
> mac out of the box and demonstrating mac basics, mail, safari, other mac 
> applications, and consepts, third party software and so on?
> 
> I'd be willing to do this in my own unique stammering style, but I'd like to 
> see some demand.  It will be duplicating much of other people's work in some 
> areas.  Plus it will be a great sacrifice on my part since I'll have to slow 
> down and take it easy on my new macbook, adding things one at a time and 
> recording and documenting, smiles.  I won't be able to marathon the setup and 
> run away with my new macbook.  I'd be more than happy to do it though if it 
> really will be useful.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> User support consultant,
> Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf,
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Re: Success, then failure . . .

[Kaare Dehard]

try adding @gmail.com to the end of your sender user name. That worked for me.
On 2011-02-23, at 9:37 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:

> Hello again, folks.  I managed to fix incoming mail, but my attempt to
> send email from my Apple mail inbox was unsuccessful.  I have the
> outgoing server set as "smtp" -- my password is now recognized, but I
> am receiving a message that the smtp server is rejecting my sender
> name!  I checked to see if there was a stray punctuation mark, and
> that all was spelled correctly and without caps. I am at a loss as to
> what to try next, especially since Google support stinks.
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Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box

[Kaare Dehard]

hmm, I like the fact that we all want accessible apps, and most vendors are 
great, there are a few that aren't from our point of view, although they offer 
products we would otherwise like. 
I think you're right, and talking to a non-responsive vendor at this point 
won't work. Their responce is minimally polite and nothing more. So, your 
suggestion is a good one. I don't immagine it would be terribly difficult to 
make a drop box accessible, but politically they've decided to dig in. Is there 
an alternative service we might gravitate to that would provide similar 
functionality? 
On 2011-02-22, at 8:27 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> I don't think this is a good idea.  Apple won't cut off their nose to spite 
> their face.  And I for one don't expect them to.  They have done all they can 
> from their end.  Do you realize how many thousands if not tens of thousands 
> off apps that would be essentially band from the platform?  Sure, some would 
> comply but, Most wouldn't.  They would just go on developing for windows.  
> before long, there wouldn't be any Macs to speak of.  Why would anyone want a 
> Mac, when you couldn't get any apps for it.  I think people aren't looking at 
> the big picture here.  Accessibility is just a piece of a really big puzzle.  
> A small piece at that.  My suggestion is to not even waste anymore time 
> writing dropbox.  Start contacting the tech sites like cnet, boygenius, 
> macrumors, etc.  Let them know whats going on.  Our number is to few, and 
> dollars to short to have a direct effect.  But you can embarrass the hell out 
> of them.  No company wants bad press over something like excluding people 
> with a disability from having access to their product.  Especially on the Mac 
> OSX platform where accessibility is a given as long as developers follow 
> certain guidelines.
> 
> JMO
> 
> Ricardo Walker
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> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 22, 2011, at 8:06 AM, LaMcAs wrote:
> 
>> Ok so why don't we all email Apple with regard to this - if they have
>> created an accessible OS then developers must conform to it? If we did this
>> in force then may Apple can make their vendors comply?
>> 
>> 
>> Larry & Elliot GD (Guide Dog)
>> London, UK
>> 
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>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jes Smith
>> Sent: 22 February 2011 08:32
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box
>> 
>> Hi all.
>> As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac
>> is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers
>> would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or,
>> there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far
>> as I'm concerned.
>> I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu,
>> but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And
>> honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual
>> complaints have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done
>> nothing to show us that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign the
>> petition, but don't think it will help much.
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Re: Steve Jobs has only six weeks to live, according to the inquirerer

[Kaare Dehard]

Well considering the source and it's legendary journalistic integrety, not much.

Accessibility is making them some money and gaining them a lot of loyalty 
amongst this and other elements of the blind community, and they love that sort 
of thing. Apple is as much a marketting company as it is a electronics one. I'm 
confident that accessibility will continue to be addressed in any succession 
plan they have.
On 2011-02-17, at 7:12 PM, Jes Smith wrote:

> Hi al,
> 
> So, what will happen to Apple's Accessibility team after Jobs is gone? Will 
> we lose access to voice over, or will it cease to be updated? What do you 
> guys think?
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Re: Regarding mac Os server.

[Kaare Dehard]

I'd love to look at that too ryan if you can send a link out.
On 2011-02-10, at 11:00 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:

> What do you mean by a PDF version of the server?  A PDF is a document format. 
>  Do you mean you want a PDF version of the documentation for the server?  
> Would HTML documentation be acceptable?
> just curious
> 
> On Feb 10, 2011, at 10:32 PM, Mike Huckabay wrote:
> 
>> Hi dus enny one know where I can get a PDF version of mac OS server?  I'm 
>> thinking of getting a mac server for my house so I can do more file sharing 
>> and what not.
>> Also is there enny good demo's of OS server at all thanks.
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Re: what's the deal with ebay and safari??

[Kaare Dehard]

try logging in th hub.ebay.com 
On 2011-02-10, at 11:00 PM, trahern culver wrote:

> hey all what's the deal with ebay and safari? some of the key features
> like the buy  now check box are not accssable with voice over does any
> one know how to solve this problem??
> 
> your help with this question would be most welcome!!!
> 
> kind regards trahern.
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Re: scanning

[Kaare Dehard]

right, I need something quick,not exactly clean but reliable when running. Now 
thinking vuescan/abby combo and some decent scanner, any recommendations for 
nice workable rugged scanners that don't have a printer or fax or a million 
other things that they're part of?

Thanks.
On 2011-01-29, at 2:47 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> Hi,  The EyePal is a band-aid solution at this point, a very platinum 
> band-aid if I may say so.  I'm recommending it to clients because it's easy 
> and it works and they won't have to pick up the tab for most of it.  My 
> clients are for the most part either elderly and fearful or studentish and in 
> need of something quick and effective.  The EyePal serves in both regards.  
> If it had true mac software I'd have no reservations.  As it is, it's fast, 
> portable, effective, nice-looking on a desk, easy to use and easy to teach.  
> And the price is slowly coming down.  Doubtful it will ever be as cheep as an 
> off the shelf product, but I've never seen an off the shelf product do what 
> EyePal does.  Some one prove it to me.  I'd love to see it, and I'll be right 
> there on the bandwagon as soon as it happens, but til then it's the eyepal.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> User support consultant,
> Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf,
> 1-888-255-5194
> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
> 
> On 2011-01-28, at 1:06 PM, Kaare Dehard wrote:
> 
>> Hi, just to add to your contribution, eyepal, anyone tried the mac version, 
>> and with what resault? I'm in a hurry to get a solution, and am not sure I'm 
>> fond of buying two programs, also, which scanners work best these days. As I 
>> understand things things do shift from time to time depending on product 
>> availability.
>> On 2011-01-28, at 12:45 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote:
>> 
>>> Greetings Ann and others,
>>> 
>>> Okay, so I gather the reason to get both VUEScan and FineReader is that the 
>>> former will run the scanner and the latter provides a much better OCR 
>>> result.  Does finereader resolve the orientation?  There are eight ways to 
>>> put a page on the scanner and only one is correct.  One would not need to 
>>> run through all four iterations for the blank side, but for many items 
>>> which are not always printed lengthwise, it could take as many as four 
>>> scans to get it right.  Mean time, when the orientation is not correct, it 
>>> takes much longer to recognize, and you end up with a garbage result.
>>> 
>>> So I will probably download VUEScan and see for myself but thought I'd ask 
>>> here, because if ABBYY cannot determine orientation, I will stick with 
>>> K1000 for the foreseeable future.
>>> 
>>> Best regards.
>>> Geoff
>>> all four 
>>> On Jan 28, 2011, at 10:29 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello Erik,
>>>> 
>>>> I can get ABBYY FineReader to recognise my Canon Lide 700F portable USB 
>>>> scanner, but it's a bit fiddly. I find it much easier and more effective 
>>>> to use VueScan to do the scanning and FineReader to do the OCR.
>>>> 
>>>> VueScan produces beautiful images and FineReader does an almost perfect 
>>>> job with OCR.
>>>> 
>>>> I set VueScan to produce TIFF files and set TIFF files to always open with 
>>>> ABBYY FineReader.
>>>> 
>>>> In this way, I launch VueScan, scan as many pages as I need, then 
>>>> FineReader is launched automatically. I've set a shortcut for "Convert to 
>>>> Text Document", so all I then have to do is enter the file name and where 
>>>> to put it.
>>>> 
>>>> It all sounds much more complicated than it really is.
>>>> 
>>>> I've demonstrated this scanning procedure to very sceptical Windows users 
>>>> and they were impressed by its quality and efficiency.
>>>> 
>>>> I'll send you my user guide off list so you can see for yourself.
>>>> 
>>>> cheers,
>>>> Anne
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Re: scanning

[Kaare Dehard]

Hi, just to add to your contribution, eyepal, anyone tried the mac version, and 
with what resault? I'm in a hurry to get a solution, and am not sure I'm fond 
of buying two programs, also, which scanners work best these days. As I 
understand things things do shift from time to time depending on product 
availability.
On 2011-01-28, at 12:45 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote:

> Greetings Ann and others,
> 
> Okay, so I gather the reason to get both VUEScan and FineReader is that the 
> former will run the scanner and the latter provides a much better OCR result. 
>  Does finereader resolve the orientation?  There are eight ways to put a page 
> on the scanner and only one is correct.  One would not need to run through 
> all four iterations for the blank side, but for many items which are not 
> always printed lengthwise, it could take as many as four scans to get it 
> right.  Mean time, when the orientation is not correct, it takes much longer 
> to recognize, and you end up with a garbage result.
> 
> So I will probably download VUEScan and see for myself but thought I'd ask 
> here, because if ABBYY cannot determine orientation, I will stick with K1000 
> for the foreseeable future.
> 
> Best regards.
> Geoff
> all four 
> On Jan 28, 2011, at 10:29 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
> 
>> Hello Erik,
>> 
>> I can get ABBYY FineReader to recognise my Canon Lide 700F portable USB 
>> scanner, but it's a bit fiddly. I find it much easier and more effective to 
>> use VueScan to do the scanning and FineReader to do the OCR.
>> 
>> VueScan produces beautiful images and FineReader does an almost perfect job 
>> with OCR.
>> 
>> I set VueScan to produce TIFF files and set TIFF files to always open with 
>> ABBYY FineReader.
>> 
>> In this way, I launch VueScan, scan as many pages as I need, then FineReader 
>> is launched automatically. I've set a shortcut for "Convert to Text 
>> Document", so all I then have to do is enter the file name and where to put 
>> it.
>> 
>> It all sounds much more complicated than it really is.
>> 
>> I've demonstrated this scanning procedure to very sceptical Windows users 
>> and they were impressed by its quality and efficiency.
>> 
>> I'll send you my user guide off list so you can see for yourself.
>> 
>> cheers,
>> Anne
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Re: Switching to Mac the missing manual

[Kaare Dehard]

waiting for bookshare to get canadians a better deal for stuff this book would 
be interesting to have... However...
On 2011-01-23, at 10:12 PM, heather kd5cbl wrote:

> That's good, guess they fixed it.  I never received a response as to weather 
> or not it was fixed.  I bought mine from the publisher and downloaded it 
> because, I no longer have a membership with bookshare.  Heather
> - Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 9:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Switching to Mac the missing manual
> 
> 
> As someone who just downloaded the book recently, I can say that Bookshare's 
> copy works fine for me.
> 
> On Jan 23, 2011, at 6:59 PM, heather kd5cbl wrote:
> 
>> I don't know if bookshare ever fixed their coppy or not, it wasn't working 
>> the last time I tried. Heather
>> - Original Message - From: "Candie Stiles" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 8:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: Switching to Mac the missing manual
>> 
>> 
>> That book is available from book share if you'd like to download it there.
>> On Jan 23, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi:
>>> I wanted a purchased copy of this book, and thought I was finding a gem at 
>>> the app store.  I bought an iPad version, and it is a mess with VO.  I 
>>> brought it into my Apple store, and my trainer says indeed it isn't 
>>> accessible.  Guess I waisted $5.99.  That store can sure confuse me easily. 
>>>  I thought it was odd seeing that book as an App.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Anyhow, Guess I'm disrecommending the app.
>>> 
>>> Carolyn H
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Re: Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and iPhones?

[Kaare Dehard]

It may just be what we aren't used to, five fingered gestures seem foreign  
now. HOwever, it wasn't too too long ago that using a touch screen for the 
blind was also way out in left field:) smiles.
On 2011-01-17, at 6:51 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> I don't think this will effect VO accessibility much.  They can simply turn 
> it from triple press of home, to triple press of sleep/power button.  As far 
> as the iPhone is concerned, I'm more worried about these 4 and 5 finger 
> gestures they're reportedly thinking about.  It wouldn't be any trouble on a 
> iPad with all that screen real estate but, on an iPhone?  I couldn't imagine 
> many adults being able to do a 5 finger pinch gesture with comfort.  The 
> screen is just too small.
> 
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> 
> 
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
> 
>> Saw this story and thought I'd pass it along. This could spell trouble for 
>> some of the accessibility features on the iPhone, for example, 
>> triple-clicking the home button to toggle VO on and off.
>> 
>> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/13/apple-to-remove-home-button-from-future-ipads-and-iphones/
>> 
>> Kevin
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