Re: VMware's Fusion now free for personal use!

[Matthew Janusauskas]

Same for me Doug. I received no such notification, and don’t seem to be able to 
log in with my previous credentials. Password reset request also does nothing.

> On May 26, 2024, at 8:25 AM, Doug Lee  wrote:
> 
> Interesting that they wanted action so fast, and also that I did not receive 
> any such email as a VMWare Workstation
> user. I actually opened my VMware account by purchasing Fusion many years 
> ago. Though the website article describing
> this move to subscription models does not mention Workstation, I wonder if 
> this will eventually affect me also.
> 
> On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 07:44:41AM -0400, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:
> Yes, Broadcom bought VMware. They sent an email in April requiring
> existing accounts to take action by early May.
> 
> I simply registered anew. The form is a bit fussy, but it does work.
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:
>>   Did Broad.com take over VMware? If so, did they keep user accounts?
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>> -Helen Keller
>> My e-Mail:
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 5/25/2024 11:04 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Dear All:
>>> 
>>> Broadcom has recently announced that personal use of VMware Fusion will
>>> henceforth be free of charge. The instructions for getting a free copy
>>> seem a bit contorted, but they were never all that easy from VMware easy
>>> in my experience!
>>> 
>>> The following link details how to get a copy for personal use and also
>>> points to the announcement from Broadcom:
>>> 
>>> https://www.mikeroysoft.com/post/download-fusion-ws/
>>> 
>>> I plan to get Fusion on my laptop in the next week or so, so I'll follow
>>> up here with any observations based on my experience.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Janina
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Re: Preparing for a new Mac?

[Matthew Janusauskas]

I also did this with no problems at all.


> On Jul 16, 2023, at 1:03 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Oh, good! Very glad to hear it.  Thanks for letting me know.
> Donna
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 12:00 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes Donna I am sure, did it this year when I went from a stock mbp
>> 2023 to a custom mbp 2023. It was super smooth.
>> 
>> On 7/16/23, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>> Hi Lenron,
>>> 
>>> Are you sure that reinstalling from a Time Machine backup when going from
>>> silicon to silicon works?  I’d love to go back to using Time Machine to do
>>> this.  It’s definitely the easiest way to migrate your content.  I just
>>> don’t ever want to go through all that headache again. :)
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 16, 2023, at 11:33 AM, lenron brown  wrote:
 
 going from a silicon to another works just fine. There is no way I am
 going to start fresh every single time. My computer is setup as a
 production system, and having to start from square one if nothing is
 broken is not something I am trying to do.
 
 On 7/16/23, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
  wrote:
> By way of contrast, I’ve always set up every new Mac from a Time-machine
> backup.  So that’s what I did when I got my Apple Silicon Mac.  It was a
> total nightmare!  I spent the better part of a week trying to get the
> new
> Mac up and running.  Most of that time I was in recovery mode, because
> that
> was the only thing I could access.  With lots of support from this list,
> I
> tried everything, including reinstalling the OS.  Nothing worked and
> eventually I gave up and returned it for a new Mac.  Even though next
> time
> I’ll be going from one silicon Mac to another, I don’t think I’ll ever
> restore from a Time Machine backup again.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:59 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Perhaps so.
>> I know of at least a half dozen who have attempted setting up a new
>> Apple
>> silicon Mac from a Time Machine backup of their Intel Mac, and everyone
>> of
>> them ended up with an unusable Mac that had to be returned to Apple.
>> I have never been in favor of setting up a new Mac from a Time Machine
>> backup, even in the Intel days.
>> I have always viewed setting up a new Mac as an opportunity for a fresh
>> start, that leaves behind all the clutter and miscellaneous garbage
>> that
>> had accumulated over time on my old Mac.
>> It is a bit more time consuming to start fresh, but I have always felt
>> the
>> effort was worthwhile.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:49, Sarah Massengale 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I did, and from what it sounds like, I might have gotten very lucky.
>> Sarah K Massengale
>> Certified Professional in Accessibility Core Competencies, CPACC
>> District 6 Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of South
>> Carolina
>> (803) 410-2735
>> skmasseng...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 11:47 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Did you restore from a Time Machine backup of your Intel Mac?
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:37, Sarah Massengale 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just as a heads up I did restore my M1 Mac from an Intel based Mac.  I
>>> had know issue at all with it, and the process was extremely quick.
>>> Sarah K Massengale
>>> Certified Professional in Accessibility Core Competencies, CPACC
>>> District 6 Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of South
>>> Carolina
>>> (803) 410-2735
>>> skmasseng...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 16, 2023, at 11:28 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
 
 Whatever you do, do not attempt to setup your new Mac with Apple
 silicon, from a Time Machine backup from an Intel Mac.
 The 2 Macs have different internal hardware, and different versions
 of
 the macOS that are not compatible with one another.
 Everyone I know who has attempted setting up a new Apple silicon Mac
 from a Time Machine backup from an Intel Mac, has rendered their new
 Apple silicon Mac unusable, and has had to return it to Apple.
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 
 On Jul 16, 2023, at 10:09, Herbie Allen 
 wrote:
 
 Several things. Make sure you have access to all your passwords.
 Keychain is a good way to go, but there are other ways. Back up all
 your
 files to cloud storage, iCloud, Dropbox, etc. Don’t delete your old
 Mac
 until you are satisfied you have everything on the new one.
 
> On Jul 16, 2023, at 09:22, Maurice A. 

Re: Time Tracking

[Matthew Janusauskas]

A solid option for project-based time tracking is Harvest 
https://www.harvestapp.com 


> On Dec 3, 2022, at 2:29 AM, Yolanda Thompson  wrote:
> 
> I have used Trelo and like it.
> 
> On 12/2/22, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
>> Thanks, but no. I need an app to track time per client/project and task and
>> keep a log of all time entries so they can be totaled up.
>> 
>>> On Dec 3, 2022, at 12:15 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not sure if this is the type of thing you want, but the Clock app has a
>>> Stopwatch function as well as a timer.
>>> 
 On Dec 2, 2022, at 23:13, Brandon Olivares 
 wrote:
 
 Any time tracking recommendations for the Mac? I need something for my
 business where I want to track time for clients, just for personal
 reference so I know how much time I’m spending on each client.
 
 At my job we use Toggl but the web interface isn’t the most accessible,
 though the app isn’t bad.
 
 Any other suggestions?
 
 Thanks,
 Brandon
 
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Re: Phantom Disabling of Commanders

[Matthew Janusauskas]

I also recently experienced this.


> On Apr 1, 2022, at 10:58 AM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
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> Hello All,
> 
> I ran into a strange phenomenon that I refer to as “Phantom Disabling of 
> Commanders.”  I’ve had the commander for announcing date and time deployed on 
> my Mac Mini for years, but it wasn’t working today.  I launched the VO 
> configuration and discovered that these had been turned off.  I have no idea 
> how this might have happened, when one considers the several deliberate 
> keystrokes required to open VO configuration, select “Commanders” from the 
> associated table and then move to the checkbox to turn off this feature I 
> find it very hard to imagine doing this accidentally.
> 
> Does anybody have any thoughts in this regard?
> 
> 
> * * * * * * * * * * * *
> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
> - "Whatever the mind of man can conceive and believe, it can achieve."
> - Napoleon Hill
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Re: google docs

[Matthew Janusauskas]

The documented keyboard command is Option + Enter.


> On Feb 28, 2022, at 8:40 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to click a link in a google doc on my Mac in order to register for 
> something. so far I haven't been able to do it. it doesn't show up if I press 
> vo-command-l. vo reads it but. it's as though it's in a block of text. I 
> thought I'd enabled accessibility too. has anybody ever done this?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: VO Jumping Out of Mail: Was - Improving music app experience

[Matthew Janusauskas]

I’m also having the same experience.


> On Feb 4, 2022, at 12:41 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> Mine is an M1 MBP with TouchBar as well.  And, no,I did not accidentally 
> touch the TouchBar either.  Curiouser ad curiouser.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Feb 4, 2022, at 11:37, Brian Hansen > > wrote:
>> 
>> I’m running the latest MacOS, and it’s doing the same thing to me. I haven’t 
>> found a pattern to it as of yet, but it seems to be taking place when I 
>> delete a mail message after reading it.
>> 
>>> On Feb 4, 2022, at 12:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Well, VO just jumped out of the Mail app a few seconds ago.  I guarantee 
>>> that I did not touch the Trackpad.  My left hand wasn’t even on my MBP, and 
>>> I had just hit the return key to open a Mail message with my right middle 
>>> finger.  All other appendages weren’t even close to the Trackpad.  I also 
>>> did some testing yesterday and this morning, and even if I do touch the 
>>> Trackpad purposely with my thumb, it does not jump to the Finder like the 
>>> behaviour seems to do.
>>> 
>>> Oh well, if others can’t duplicate it, it’s just one of those things that 
>>> happens to some, but not others, and I’m the unlucky one this time :).
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Feb 3, 2022, at 14:41, Anders Holmberg >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi!
 I don’t have that issue as I am using an external keyboard.
 Just because my hands are quite big I have to use an external one.
 /A
 
> 3 feb. 2022 kl. 21:05 skrev Les Kriegler  >:
> 
> I would agree with Brad‘s comments here. It is so easy to activate the 
> touchpad. I pay attention to it and it still happens on occasion.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:14 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Correction to my shortcuts:
>> 
>> •cmd-left and cmd-right do the same as using just the left or right 
>> arrows.  The difference is that when you add the cmd key, the focus 
>> location within the Music window is not as picky.
>> • to fast-forward or rewind within a song, add the option key to the 
>> above.  That is, cmd-option-left or cmd-option-right.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:53, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> When it comes to the Search field, I prefer keyboard shortcuts.  So, to 
>>> search for something, press cmd-f.  This will automatically take you to 
>>> the search field.  After entering your information, press return.  
>>> Often, VO will auto-jump over to the results.  If it doesn’t, try VO-j.
>>> 
>>> Some other hits for easier navigation and use:
>>> 
>>> • I change the view of my playlists to Song view as I find the columns 
>>> that are created easier to navigate in/through.
>>> • use VO-FN-left or VO-FN-right to quickly move to the first or last 
>>> item in the Music window.  Sometimes, you need to hit the command twice.
>>> • Use VO-cmd-t to quickly get to the sidebar table.
>>> 
>>> Know that there’s tons of keyboard shortcuts in the Music app.  Many of 
>>> these are not commonly found in menus.
>>> 
>>> • space will play/pause the currently selected title.
>>> • left/right arrow will do previous/next song.
>>> • cmd-up or cmd-down will turn up/down the volume.
>>> • press return to start playing when you’re focused on a song you wish 
>>> to play.
>>> • press cmd-right and hold to fast-forward within a song, cmd-left to 
>>> rewind within.
>>> 
>>> Note that the above commands do not require VO keys at all, they are 
>>> simply built-in Music media controls.  Also note that if you’ve moved 
>>> out of the music app, or if you’ve brought VO focus to certain parts of 
>>> the Music app screen, these commands may be unresponsive.  Just bring 
>>> focus close to somewhere where the play button is and they’ll start 
>>> working again.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> 

Re: Moving YouTube Slider?

[Matthew Janusauskas]

Another useful keyboard command is using the number keys to jump in 10% 
increments - ex. Press 5 to jump to the 50% time reference.


> On Dec 8, 2021, at 11:29 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> Yes
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 10:24, Fazil M. > > wrote:
>> 
>> What does it mean, would I be able to jump ahead in time in a playing video 
>> or rewind it?
>>  
>> Thanks!
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  > > On Behalf Of Herbie Allen
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2021 9:21 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Moving YouTube Slider?
>>  
>> You should be able to VO right passed the slider.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 22:01, Fazil M. >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Jumping youtube video in time.
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  >> > On Behalf Of Herbie Allen
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2021 7:54 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: Moving YouTube Slider?
>>>  
>>> What do you mean by the Youtube slider?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 7, 2021, at 19:32, Fazil M. >>> > wrote:
  
 Hi, Group.
 How can I move Youtube slider, please?
 Thanks!
  
  
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Re: Slack and Voice-over, Can anyone help please?

[Matthew Janusauskas]

Yes, it appears the regression causing the VoiceOver speech interruption issue 
has been resolved. 


> On Oct 20, 2021, at 8:39 AM, Brandon Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Slack seems to be working again. has anyone else noticed that?
> 
> Brandon
> 
> On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 12:05 PM Sadam Ahmed  > wrote:
> Hi all, 
> I’ve recently started a new role as QA software tester at a new firm. 
> A lot of my responsibilities and tasks come via Slack. 
> Whilst the iPhone app is a bit clunky, I'm able to use it to smash my KPI’S. 
> Unfortunately, the same can’t be said of the desktop app. 
> I’m noticing VO cutting off speech and a horrible UI in general. 
> 
> Would love to utilise my MacBook Pro M1 and upcoming iMac for more of my 
> workflow in this position. 
> I thank you in advance for any feedback. 
> Love this list as it’s always been helpful when I’ve asked for help in the 
> past. 
> Sincerely, 
> Sadam Ahmed 
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Re: Slack and Voice-over, Can anyone help please?

[Matthew Janusauskas]

It will take less of your time to send a Slack message of 
/feedback [Description of issue] 
Then it has to send the emails to the mailing list. 

Much more effective than just hoping it will be fixed in my opinion. 


> On Oct 13, 2021, at 6:29 AM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Matthew and and Brandon for the feedback. 
> Yes, the desktop app is very disappointing at the moment. 
> I shall send through a bug report but won’t get to it for a while as quite a 
> number of large software projects are in beta or UAT mode. 
> Will use the web UI for now or the iPhone or iPad app. 
> Glad to know that it was working ok in the past. 
> Hopefully, They will fix these bugs as Slack is used by a number of blind 
> professionals and it would be advantageous for my workflow if I can just use 
> Mac on the job. 
> Sincerely, 
> Sadam Ahmed 
> 
>> On 13 Oct 2021, at 11:42 am, Matthew Janusauskas  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> It appears to be a recent regression. The easiest way to report it directly 
>> to the Slack team is to use the /feebdack command from any conversation 
>> window. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 8, 2021, at 11:17 AM, Brandon Olivares  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not sure when you started using it, but I literally just started noticing 
>>> this issue earlier this week. Before then, it worked great: no 
>>> interruptions in speech at all. I’ve been thinking of asking about it on 
>>> this list as well.
>>> 
>>> The web version works pretty well if you want to try that. I’m hoping 
>>> whatever bug there is in the desktop app gets fixed. Not really sure if 
>>> it’s worth reporting or even how I would do it.
>>> 
>>> Brandon
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 8, 2021, at 12:04 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all, 
>>>> I’ve recently started a new role as QA software tester at a new firm. 
>>>> A lot of my responsibilities and tasks come via Slack. 
>>>> Whilst the iPhone app is a bit clunky, I'm able to use it to smash my 
>>>> KPI’S. 
>>>> Unfortunately, the same can’t be said of the desktop app. 
>>>> I’m noticing VO cutting off speech and a horrible UI in general. 
>>>> 
>>>> Would love to utilise my MacBook Pro M1 and upcoming iMac for more of my 
>>>> workflow in this position. 
>>>> I thank you in advance for any feedback. 
>>>> Love this list as it’s always been helpful when I’ve asked for help in the 
>>>> past. 
>>>> Sincerely, 
>>>> Sadam Ahmed 
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Re: Slack and Voice-over, Can anyone help please?

[Matthew Janusauskas]

 It appears to be a recent regression. The easiest way to report it directly to 
the Slack team is to use the /feebdack command from any conversation window. 


> On Oct 8, 2021, at 11:17 AM, Brandon Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
> Not sure when you started using it, but I literally just started noticing 
> this issue earlier this week. Before then, it worked great: no interruptions 
> in speech at all. I’ve been thinking of asking about it on this list as well.
> 
> The web version works pretty well if you want to try that. I’m hoping 
> whatever bug there is in the desktop app gets fixed. Not really sure if it’s 
> worth reporting or even how I would do it.
> 
> Brandon
> 
>> On Oct 8, 2021, at 12:04 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, 
>> I’ve recently started a new role as QA software tester at a new firm. 
>> A lot of my responsibilities and tasks come via Slack. 
>> Whilst the iPhone app is a bit clunky, I'm able to use it to smash my KPI’S. 
>> Unfortunately, the same can’t be said of the desktop app. 
>> I’m noticing VO cutting off speech and a horrible UI in general. 
>> 
>> Would love to utilise my MacBook Pro M1 and upcoming iMac for more of my 
>> workflow in this position. 
>> I thank you in advance for any feedback. 
>> Love this list as it’s always been helpful when I’ve asked for help in the 
>> past. 
>> Sincerely, 
>> Sadam Ahmed 
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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Matthew Janusauskas]

I used migration assistant moving from an Intel MacBook Pro to an M1 MacBook 
Pro and did not experience any issues.

Matthew


> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:57 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Since you are most likely migrating from an older Intel-based Mac, to a new 
> M1 Mac, you should be aware that the 2 systems are very different and not 
> compatible.
> A couple of users on this list have tried using a Time Machine backup from 
> their older Intel-based Mac, to setup their new M1 Mac, and the results were 
> devastating.  In both of these cases, the new M1 Mac was rendered unusable,, 
> and had to be returned to Apple.
> 
> Transferring your data and applications using the Migration assistant may be 
> a safer option to consider.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jul 20, 2021, at 08:19, alia robinson  > wrote:
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> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
> 
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Re: Login window keeps popping up!

[Matthew Janusauskas]

It’s my pleasure Tim. It’s great to see that it appears Apple has improved the 
accessibility of the process significantly.


> On Jun 9, 2021, at 4:00 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, I guess that it is possible.  The M1 architecture is different than that 
> of the Intel and thus they may have improved that functionality.  Thanks for 
> the heads-up, I’ll look into using VO in Safe mode on one of the M1’s here.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2021, at 2:41 PM, Matthew Janusauskas > <mailto:mjanusaus...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> Is it possible that safe mode functions differently on M1 machines? I 
>> followed the steps I found via Google search that involved booting to the 
>> startup / recovery menu, selecting the normal startup drive and holding down 
>> the Shift key to make the Continue button change to continue in safe mode. 
>> The system then started with what seemed to be a minimal state without any 
>> usual startup apps etc. Audio and VoiceOver was fully functional.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2021, at 9:36 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Safe mode is not accessible to VO so I wouldn’t go there.  The values are 
>>> definitely configurable in the regular GUI interface.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 9, 2021, at 5:40 AM, Caitlyn Furness >>> <mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Can you outline the steps to boot up into safe mode and then change the 
>>>> sleep values, please?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Cait
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 11:37 PM, Matthew Janusauskas >>>> <mailto:mjanusaus...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> The only way I was able to change the display sleep value in battery 
>>>>> preferences and get it to stick was to boot into safe mode and do it from 
>>>>> there. I’ve never had to do that before. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 4:19 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There usually is not a lock in this pane, but maybe take a look down 
>>>>>> near the bottom of this pane and see if there’s the lock to unlock in 
>>>>>> order to make changes.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Later…
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 3:10 PM, Matthew Janusauskas >>>>>> <mailto:mjanusaus...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks for the confirmation of the bug and advice on this. I’ve sent a 
>>>>>>> report via Feedback Assistant.
>>>>>>> Just now when trying to follow your suggestions I’m finding the 
>>>>>>> controls in the battery preferences all to be dimmed out. A restart 
>>>>>>> didn’t make a difference either. Any other suggestions to try?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Matthew
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 7, 2021, at 12:13 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Yes, that is a bug.

Re: Login window keeps popping up!

[Matthew Janusauskas]

Hi Tim,

Is it possible that safe mode functions differently on M1 machines? I followed 
the steps I found via Google search that involved booting to the startup / 
recovery menu, selecting the normal startup drive and holding down the Shift 
key to make the Continue button change to continue in safe mode. The system 
then started with what seemed to be a minimal state without any usual startup 
apps etc. Audio and VoiceOver was fully functional.

Matthew


> On Jun 9, 2021, at 9:36 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Safe mode is not accessible to VO so I wouldn’t go there.  The values are 
> definitely configurable in the regular GUI interface.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2021, at 5:40 AM, Caitlyn Furness > <mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Can you outline the steps to boot up into safe mode and then change the 
>> sleep values, please?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Cait
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 11:37 PM, Matthew Janusauskas >> <mailto:mjanusaus...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The only way I was able to change the display sleep value in battery 
>>> preferences and get it to stick was to boot into safe mode and do it from 
>>> there. I’ve never had to do that before. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 4:19 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> There usually is not a lock in this pane, but maybe take a look down near 
>>>> the bottom of this pane and see if there’s the lock to unlock in order to 
>>>> make changes.
>>>> 
>>>> Later…
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 3:10 PM, Matthew Janusauskas >>>> <mailto:mjanusaus...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for the confirmation of the bug and advice on this. I’ve sent a 
>>>>> report via Feedback Assistant.
>>>>> Just now when trying to follow your suggestions I’m finding the controls 
>>>>> in the battery preferences all to be dimmed out. A restart didn’t make a 
>>>>> difference either. Any other suggestions to try?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Matthew
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 7, 2021, at 12:13 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes, that is a bug.  I believe that I’ve reported it, although multiple 
>>>>>> reports is a good thing and often makes sure that things are addressed 
>>>>>> sooner.  In the meantime, I will usually use the physical trackpad to 
>>>>>> accomplish this.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> • using VO, navigate to the slider.
>>>>>> • interact with it.
>>>>>> • press VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the VO location.
>>>>>> • click the trackpad once and it should announce 50%.  This is too long 
>>>>>> in most cases.
>>>>>> • click and hold and drag to the left very slowly and in small amounts.  
>>>>>> VO will announce the percentage.  20% is about 10 minutes and 50% is 
>>>>>> about 35 minutes.  Normally, when on battery power, I wouldn’t recommend 
>>>>>> going above 30%.  You can go longer when on power if you choose.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Later…
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2021, at 12:36 PM, Matthew Janusauskas 
>>>>>>> mailto:mjanusaus...@gmail.com>

Re: Login window keeps popping up!

[Matthew Janusauskas]

The only way I was able to change the display sleep value in battery 
preferences and get it to stick was to boot into safe mode and do it from 
there. I’ve never had to do that before. 


> On Jun 8, 2021, at 4:19 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> There usually is not a lock in this pane, but maybe take a look down near the 
> bottom of this pane and see if there’s the lock to unlock in order to make 
> changes.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 3:10 PM, Matthew Janusauskas > <mailto:mjanusaus...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks for the confirmation of the bug and advice on this. I’ve sent a 
>> report via Feedback Assistant.
>> Just now when trying to follow your suggestions I’m finding the controls in 
>> the battery preferences all to be dimmed out. A restart didn’t make a 
>> difference either. Any other suggestions to try?
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2021, at 12:13 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Yes, that is a bug.  I believe that I’ve reported it, although multiple 
>>> reports is a good thing and often makes sure that things are addressed 
>>> sooner.  In the meantime, I will usually use the physical trackpad to 
>>> accomplish this.
>>> 
>>> • using VO, navigate to the slider.
>>> • interact with it.
>>> • press VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the VO location.
>>> • click the trackpad once and it should announce 50%.  This is too long in 
>>> most cases.
>>> • click and hold and drag to the left very slowly and in small amounts.  VO 
>>> will announce the percentage.  20% is about 10 minutes and 50% is about 35 
>>> minutes.  Normally, when on battery power, I wouldn’t recommend going above 
>>> 30%.  You can go longer when on power if you choose.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 6, 2021, at 12:36 PM, Matthew Janusauskas >>> <mailto:mjanusaus...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve noticed when trying to change the sleep timeout setting in battery 
>>>> preferences on an M1 MacBook Pro the slider value I set doesn’t tick and 
>>>> reverts to the minimum value. Any ideas on how to fix that?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> Matthew
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 12:36 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, that’s odd.  That usually happens when an MDM, or some sort of 
>>>>> Parental Controls has limited your access.  I wouldn’t think that that is 
>>>>> the case here.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh well, how about we come from another direction.  In System 
>>>>> Preferences, Desktop & Screen Saver, under the Screen Saver tab, make 
>>>>> sure that the Screen Saver is set to some time further away, like 30 
>>>>> minutes to an hour.  Also, in system Preferences, Battery, we’ll select 
>>>>> Battery so we can check its settings.  Make sure that it doesn’t go to 
>>>>> sleep for 15 to 20 minutes when on battery and even longer when on power.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Later…
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Caitlyn Furness >>>>> <mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes, exactly.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks for all your help!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cait
>>>>>> 
>>>>

Re: Login window keeps popping up!

[Matthew Janusauskas]

That was the first thing I checked. There is no lock on that preference pane. 


> On Jun 8, 2021, at 4:19 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> There usually is not a lock in this pane, but maybe take a look down near the 
> bottom of this pane and see if there’s the lock to unlock in order to make 
> changes.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 3:10 PM, Matthew Janusauskas > <mailto:mjanusaus...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks for the confirmation of the bug and advice on this. I’ve sent a 
>> report via Feedback Assistant.
>> Just now when trying to follow your suggestions I’m finding the controls in 
>> the battery preferences all to be dimmed out. A restart didn’t make a 
>> difference either. Any other suggestions to try?
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2021, at 12:13 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Yes, that is a bug.  I believe that I’ve reported it, although multiple 
>>> reports is a good thing and often makes sure that things are addressed 
>>> sooner.  In the meantime, I will usually use the physical trackpad to 
>>> accomplish this.
>>> 
>>> • using VO, navigate to the slider.
>>> • interact with it.
>>> • press VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the VO location.
>>> • click the trackpad once and it should announce 50%.  This is too long in 
>>> most cases.
>>> • click and hold and drag to the left very slowly and in small amounts.  VO 
>>> will announce the percentage.  20% is about 10 minutes and 50% is about 35 
>>> minutes.  Normally, when on battery power, I wouldn’t recommend going above 
>>> 30%.  You can go longer when on power if you choose.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 6, 2021, at 12:36 PM, Matthew Janusauskas >>> <mailto:mjanusaus...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve noticed when trying to change the sleep timeout setting in battery 
>>>> preferences on an M1 MacBook Pro the slider value I set doesn’t tick and 
>>>> reverts to the minimum value. Any ideas on how to fix that?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> Matthew
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 12:36 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, that’s odd.  That usually happens when an MDM, or some sort of 
>>>>> Parental Controls has limited your access.  I wouldn’t think that that is 
>>>>> the case here.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh well, how about we come from another direction.  In System 
>>>>> Preferences, Desktop & Screen Saver, under the Screen Saver tab, make 
>>>>> sure that the Screen Saver is set to some time further away, like 30 
>>>>> minutes to an hour.  Also, in system Preferences, Battery, we’ll select 
>>>>> Battery so we can check its settings.  Make sure that it doesn’t go to 
>>>>> sleep for 15 to 20 minutes when on battery and even longer when on power.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Later…
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Caitlyn Furness >>>>> <mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes, exactly.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks for all your help!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cait
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 12:28 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>

Re: Login window keeps popping up!

[Matthew Janusauskas]

Thanks for the confirmation of the bug and advice on this. I’ve sent a report 
via Feedback Assistant.
Just now when trying to follow your suggestions I’m finding the controls in the 
battery preferences all to be dimmed out. A restart didn’t make a difference 
either. Any other suggestions to try?

Matthew


> On Jun 7, 2021, at 12:13 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, that is a bug.  I believe that I’ve reported it, although multiple 
> reports is a good thing and often makes sure that things are addressed 
> sooner.  In the meantime, I will usually use the physical trackpad to 
> accomplish this.
> 
> • using VO, navigate to the slider.
> • interact with it.
> • press VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the VO location.
> • click the trackpad once and it should announce 50%.  This is too long in 
> most cases.
> • click and hold and drag to the left very slowly and in small amounts.  VO 
> will announce the percentage.  20% is about 10 minutes and 50% is about 35 
> minutes.  Normally, when on battery power, I wouldn’t recommend going above 
> 30%.  You can go longer when on power if you choose.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2021, at 12:36 PM, Matthew Janusauskas > <mailto:mjanusaus...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> I’ve noticed when trying to change the sleep timeout setting in battery 
>> preferences on an M1 MacBook Pro the slider value I set doesn’t tick and 
>> reverts to the minimum value. Any ideas on how to fix that?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 12:36 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Well, that’s odd.  That usually happens when an MDM, or some sort of 
>>> Parental Controls has limited your access.  I wouldn’t think that that is 
>>> the case here.
>>> 
>>> Oh well, how about we come from another direction.  In System Preferences, 
>>> Desktop & Screen Saver, under the Screen Saver tab, make sure that the 
>>> Screen Saver is set to some time further away, like 30 minutes to an hour.  
>>> Also, in system Preferences, Battery, we’ll select Battery so we can check 
>>> its settings.  Make sure that it doesn’t go to sleep for 15 to 20 minutes 
>>> when on battery and even longer when on power.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Caitlyn Furness >>> <mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, exactly.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for all your help!
>>>> 
>>>> Cait
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 12:28 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, you went to system Preferences, Security & Privacy, pressed the Lock 
>>>>> button, entered your password, pressed the Advanced button and the 
>>>>> checkbox for logging out after so much time was dimmed?  Is that where 
>>>>> you went and what you are saying is dimmed?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Later…
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Caitlyn Furness >>>>> <mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No, the choice for login options in the advanced tab was dimmed..  I am 
>>>>>> really stumped!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cait
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 12:12 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>> >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@go

Re: Login window keeps popping up!

[Matthew Janusauskas]

Hi Tim,

I’ve noticed when trying to change the sleep timeout setting in battery 
preferences on an M1 MacBook Pro the slider value I set doesn’t tick and 
reverts to the minimum value. Any ideas on how to fix that?

Thanks.

Matthew


> On Jun 3, 2021, at 12:36 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Well, that’s odd.  That usually happens when an MDM, or some sort of Parental 
> Controls has limited your access.  I wouldn’t think that that is the case 
> here.
> 
> Oh well, how about we come from another direction.  In System Preferences, 
> Desktop & Screen Saver, under the Screen Saver tab, make sure that the Screen 
> Saver is set to some time further away, like 30 minutes to an hour.  Also, in 
> system Preferences, Battery, we’ll select Battery so we can check its 
> settings.  Make sure that it doesn’t go to sleep for 15 to 20 minutes when on 
> battery and even longer when on power.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Caitlyn Furness > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, exactly.
>> 
>> Thanks for all your help!
>> 
>> Cait
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 12:28 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> So, you went to system Preferences, Security & Privacy, pressed the Lock 
>>> button, entered your password, pressed the Advanced button and the checkbox 
>>> for logging out after so much time was dimmed?  Is that where you went and 
>>> what you are saying is dimmed?
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jun 3, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Caitlyn Furness >>> > wrote:
 
 No, the choice for login options in the advanced tab was dimmed..  I am 
 really stumped!
 
 Cait
 
 
> On Jun 3, 2021, at 12:12 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If you mean that the Advanced button is dimmed, then you need to first 
> click on the Lock button, then enter your password to unlock the lock.  
> Once it is unlocked, the Advanced button should no longer be dimmed.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 9:18 AM, Caitlyn Furness > > wrote:
>> 
>> It’s dimmed out..
>> 
>> Cait
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 11:13 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> In that same Security & Privacy window, unlock the lock, then press the 
>>> Advanced button.  Check if it is set to logout after a certain amount 
>>> of inactivity.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jun 3, 2021, at 9:09 AM, Caitlyn Furness >>> > wrote:
 
 That button was unchecked..  not sure what to do from here..
 
 Thanks,
 Caitlyn from rainy Ontario
 
 
> On Jun 3, 2021, at 10:57 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> It sounds like you have the "Require password after sleep or screen 
> saver checkbox” checked.  You can find this in System Preferences, 
> Security & Privacy, in under the General tab.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 8:26 AM, Caitlyn Furness 
>> mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim!
>> 
>> It’s happening about every 5 mins after logging in.  If I am doing 
>> email it doesn’t interrupt, but if I am listening to music, for 
>> example, it definitely does interrupt.  Totally annoying!
>> 
>> This is happening across all users on this laptop..
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Cait
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 10:23 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' 

Re: Launch bar or similar?

[Matthew Janusauskas]

Launchbar is one of the first apps I install on any new Mac. It's
incredibly useful, powerful and has very good accessibility.


On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 4:30 PM Traci Duncan  wrote:

> Hi all, I have used launch bar for years. Lol, and I am already missing
> it. Before I download it though, does anyone use this app, or something
> similar?
>
> Thanks,
> Traci
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Re: Standard VO COmmands

[Matthew Janusauskas]

Doesn’t the VoiceOver bypass commandwork around this?


On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 8:37 PM 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries <
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Thanks Donna, that helps. Now I will let the 1Password devs know
> there is a conflict.
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
>
> On 1/17/2019 1:47 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > ET,
> >
> > Yes, it performs the same function for me (now running Mojave).
> > Best,
> > Donna
> >
> >> On Jan 17, 2019, at 3:43 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries <
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>Can someone confirm if VO-command-q is one of the default shortcuts?
> On my system it is 'find next block quote'. It causes a conflict in
> 1Password 7. Thanks.
> >>
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Re: One Password

[Matthew Janusauskas]

I would recommend contacting 1Password support if you have not already done so. 
They are very interested in the accessibility of their apps and are always 
receptive to feedback and suggestions.

Matthew


> On May 7, 2018, at 10:34 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Hello ET,
> 
> Thanks for that. So when bringing up the mini I either hit tab or VOarrow 
> pass the search panel to the table of suggestions. I think I then have to 
> interact but as soon as I interact with the table, a new window pops up. I 
> think I even tried this with cursor tracking off. Having access to the 
> 1Password  details table is great, but I would prefer to have the jump to pop 
> up window VO stroke use to get there.  
> 
> Jonathan 
> 
>> On May 7, 2018, at 10:59 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Jonathan,
>>  Use the shortcut cmd-shift-c to copy the password for the selected item. I 
>> briefly launched the mini and after entering the master password, landed on 
>> search which brought up the item list table. I will look at tis again later.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>> On 5/7/2018 7:42 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>>> WOuldn't it be nice (I can't try right now) if we can set a hot spot or 
>>> windowspot to the copy password button on the 1 Password page. I suppose to 
>>> be sure would also need to add one for the table listing the selected item 
>>> in the 1Password database.
>>> Also, has anybody recently had success with the 1 password mini tool bar 
>>> item? Last time I tried to use it, the first item in the search results   
>>> view caused a popup that blocked additional navigation within the search 
>>> results÷
>>> Best Wishes,
>>> Jonathan
>>> On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 9:57 PM E.T. >> > wrote:
>>>   Marie,
>>>That is correct, after entering the msster password, you are
>>>   landed
>>>   on the search field. Do a VO-j to jump to the sidebar and select Logins
>>>   if its not already highlighted. Do another VO-j to jump to the items
>>>   list. Another VO-j to jump to the details table for the item you
>>>   highlighted. You do NOT need to be in edit mode to view the username
>>>   and
>>>   password. Unless you saved all your entries without passwords (you did
>>>   say none of the entries have passwords), the password field will be
>>>   right after the username and by default will be concealed. VO-j will
>>>   jump you around to the sidebar, items list, and details table.
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>>   Many believe that we have been visited
>>>   in the past. What if it were true?
>>>   On 5/6/2018 5:29 PM, Marie Lyons wrote:
 That’s not what happens here. When I open one password I am in a
>>>   search field and if I type the name of the account it shows up with
>>>   only the user name, no password. I had to edit the account to get
>>>   the details table to come up.
 
 Marie Lyons
 
> On May 6, 2018, at 11:42 AM, Robert Carter >>   > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When you are in 1password, you will first be on an items list.
>>>   This shows you the list of items that you have entered. When you
>>>   down arrow to the desired item, hold down the vo keys and press the
>>>   letter j. This will put you in the details table. If you vo right
>>>   arrow in the details table, you will see your username first and vo
>>>   right again to see your password entry. The password itself may be
>>>   concealed and not show. If you interact with the password field, you
>>>   can use vo and right arrow to get to a menu. You can press vo space
>>>   on the menu to open it and use the down arrow to choose reveal which
>>>   if you press vo space to select this option, your password will appear.
> 
> Robert Carter
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 5, 2018, at 8:17 PM, Marie Lyons >>   > wrote:
>> 
>> I need to find a password so I can input it into my phone. One
>>>   Password is on my Mac but not the phone. When I went into the app
>>>   the table listed my user name but not passwords. How can I access
>>>   that info?
>> 
>> Marie Lyons
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: password managers?

[Matthew Janusauskas]

Lastpass also is a viable option.


On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 10:47 AM, E.T.  wrote:

>Had. As in past tense. Think they offer a trial version. By the way if
> you buy both Windows and macOS, the iOS app is free.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 3/7/2017 8:34 AM, jeff `greene wrote:
>
>> Hi E.T., I thought one password had VO issues?
>> Thanks Jeff
>>
>>
>> On 3/7/17, E.T.  wrote:
>>
>>> 1Password. Supports Windows, macOS and iOS,
>>>
>>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On 3/7/2017 5:11 AM, jeff `greene wrote:
>>>
 Hi, So I'm getting tired of forgetting passwords and am thinking about
 getting a password manager. Does anyone know of one that's accessible
 with VO and also works under windows 10 with Jaws or System Access?
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Re: Most efficient way to read emails

[Matthew Janusauskas]

I have heard mention several times of this efficiency recipe that Mark has for 
quickly reading through large amounts of mail using mail.app on the Mac. I 
would be interested in the details. Perhaps a short guide on AppleVis would be 
helpful to many?

> On Dec 16, 2015, at 10:56 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan, this is quite exciting to me. So does that mean you could write 
> a script that puts the subject column first, and that upon running that 
> script, the change would stick?
> If so, I would be super interested in such a script. It would be even better 
> if the settings were folder specific, but I'm guessing that's not possible?
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
>> On 17/12/2015, at 10:15 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> I have tested, that you can change the order the columns in the standard 
>> view of mail using AppleScript. 
>> 
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn 
>> 
>> On Dec 16, 2015, at 2:52 PM, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>>> For what it's worth, I also use the five-line preview. Often, this is 
>>> enough to let me read the entire message, or at least most of it. If I need 
>>> to open it, I press enter, and VO reads it automatically. I can press vo-a 
>>> to speed up the reading process, but that's not usually necessary. When 
>>> done, cmd-w closes the message and I'm back in the list.
>>> 
>>> I always keep the preview pane closed, because with it opened, arrowing 
>>> past a message is enough to mark it 'read' even if I didn't read it. I also 
>>> use the modern layout, because the classic one doesn't support the preview 
>>> text I mentioned before. yes, classic layout lets me sort the order of 
>>> columns in the messages table, but losing that preview isn't worth saving a 
>>> second by hearing the subject first, to me at least.
>>> 
>>> This is a highly personal choice, and is based on what you are used to, how 
>>> you read messages, and so on. Play with both layouts and see which you like 
>>> best. I really can't offer anything more specific than that, because the 
>>> 'best' way is subjective.
 On Dec 16, 2015, at 14:39, Georgina Joyce > wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 I too am a fan of the Apple mail. I do not use classic view., I have 5 
 lines showing. I just curser down and 5 lines is enough to judge whether I 
  want to open it. Most messages I don’t bother. I just hit the delete key. 
 This is using the wired keyboard. I only expand the thread I want to read. 
 I haven’t found how to have 5 lines displayed for individual messages in a 
 thread. I hit return to open message if I want to read more than the 5 
 lines. Or in a threaded message. I also use a smart mailbox with all my 
 unread messages. Other rules for my PayPal receipts for example, are 
 automatically moved into their respective mailboxes. I do need to open 
 such messages to gain the read flag.
 
 HTH
 
 Gena
 
 
> On 16 Dec 2015, at 16:26, M. Taylor  > wrote:
> 
> Hello Traci,
> 
> I am a huge fan of the Mac Mail application.  In fact, I think it the 
> absolute best resource that the Mac has to offer.  With it, I can go 
> through hundreds and hundreds of messages in just a few minutes with a 
> minimum of keystrokes as VoiceOver automatically reads each message as it 
> comes into focus.  
> 
> Having said this, there are a few things one must do in which to get this 
> to happen.
> 
> IN this post, I will only sketch out the broad strokes as a more detailed 
> description would take more time to list than I have, at the moment.
> 
> 1.
> You must use the Default layout view, complete with the preview pane 
> intact.  More simply put, do not modify the default view.
> 
> 2.
> You must use the conversation view with all conversations, collapsed.  
> 
> 3.
> Your primary navigation key will be the Tab Key along with the arrow 
> keys.  Generally speaking, there is no need to use the enter key, the 
> command+o key combo nor the command+w key-combo.
> 
> If you would like more details on how to use the application as I do, 
> please send me a message, off-list and we can schedule a time for a live 
> walk-through, via phone.
> 
> Mark   
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Traci Duncan
> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 7:57 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> 

Re: Most efficient way to read emails

[Matthew Janusauskas]

Hi Mark,

I wasn’t suggesting a podcast, but more of a short written guide on how to set 
it up and the key benefits in efficiency that it offers so as many might 
benefit from the information as possible.

Matthew

> On Dec 17, 2015, at 3:02 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hello Matthew,
> 
> It’s been quite a while since I produced a demonstration podcast.  Frankly,  
> until very recently, no one on the list has ever expressed an interest in my 
> method for using the Mail application.  
> 
> I can tell you that I have fought long and hard with apple to retain the 
> validity of the technique I use.  Thank goodness, they continue to listen and 
> as a result, I think El Capitan Mail is the finest version of the 
> application, yet.
> 
> Simply put, aside from my iOS banking apps that allow me to independently 
> manage my financial affairs, the El Capitan mail application is my favorite 
> utility of all time.
> 
> Perhaps we could conduct a live conference call during which I could demo the 
> application.
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Janusauskas
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 12:34 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Most efficient way to read emails
> 
> I have heard mention several times of this efficiency recipe that Mark has 
> for quickly reading through large amounts of mail using mail.app on the Mac. 
> I would be interested in the details. Perhaps a short guide on AppleVis would 
> be helpful to many?
> 
> On Dec 16, 2015, at 10:56 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan, this is quite exciting to me. So does that mean you could write 
> a script that puts the subject column first, and that upon running that 
> script, the change would stick?
> If so, I would be super interested in such a script. It would be even better 
> if the settings were folder specific, but I'm guessing that's not possible?
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
> 
> On 17/12/2015, at 10:15 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have tested, that you can change the order the columns in the standard view 
> of mail using AppleScript. 
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
> On Dec 16, 2015, at 2:52 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
> For what it's worth, I also use the five-line preview. Often, this is enough 
> to let me read the entire message, or at least most of it. If I need to open 
> it, I press enter, and VO reads it automatically. I can press vo-a to speed 
> up the reading process, but that's not usually necessary. When done, cmd-w 
> closes the message and I'm back in the list.
> 
> I always keep the preview pane closed, because with it opened, arrowing past 
> a message is enough to mark it 'read' even if I didn't read it. I also use 
> the modern layout, because the classic one doesn't support the preview text I 
> mentioned before. yes, classic layout lets me sort the order of columns in 
> the messages table, but losing that preview isn't worth saving a second by 
> hearing the subject first, to me at least.
> 
> This is a highly personal choice, and is based on what you are used to, how 
> you read messages, and so on. Play with both layouts and see which you like 
> best. I really can't offer anything more specific than that, because the 
> 'best' way is subjective.
> On Dec 16, 2015, at 14:39, Georgina Joyce <g...@gena-j.me.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I too am a fan of the Apple mail. I do not use classic view., I have 5 lines 
> showing. I just curser down and 5 lines is enough to judge whether I  want to 
> open it. Most messages I don’t bother. I just hit the delete key. This is 
> using the wired keyboard. I only expand the thread I want to read. I haven’t 
> found how to have 5 lines displayed for individual messages in a thread. I 
> hit return to open message if I want to read more than the 5 lines. Or in a 
> threaded message. I also use a smart mailbox with all my unread messages. 
> Other rules for my PayPal receipts for example, are automatically moved into 
> their respective mailboxes. I do need to open such messages to gain the read 
> flag.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Gena
> 
> 
> 
> On 16 Dec 2015, at 16:26, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hello Traci,
> 
> I am a huge fan of the Mac Mail application.  In fact, I think it the 
> absolute best resource that the Mac has to offer.  With it, I can go through 
> hundreds and hundreds of messages in just a few minutes with a minimum of 
> keystrokes as VoiceOver automatically reads each mess

Re: Sonos Controler.

[Matthew Janusauskas]

Sonos does seem to be quite receptive and responsive to accessibility
concerns. The more people that contact them directly about it the more
likely they are to address the concerns in an upcoming software update.


On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 7:24 AM, Kevin White richmond...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for the information. I've played with it some, and while it is
 not an ideal situation for controlling the Sonos playback experience,
 I find that it does meet my needs for basic music library management.
 I hope that the devs incorporate text labels for the buttons as I am
 not confident enough with the interface layout to start setting up
 tags for buttons.
 Best,
 Kevin

 On 7/19/15, Buddy Brannan bu...@brannan.name wrote:
  If the buttons have hints, can one not label with VO+slash? Not ideal,
 and
  certainly we want the dev to fix it, but...?
 
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 mjanusaus...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  While the Sonos controller for Mac does have accessibility hints on many
  of the controlls that are helpful when using VoiceOver most of the
 buttons
  and controlls do not actually have text labels which makes it not very
  efficient or enjoyable to use unfortunately. Hopefully this will be
  improved in the future.
 
  Matthew
 
 
  On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 7:04 AM, jeff `greene greenebo...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  Hi Kevin, I used to use the sonos controller on the mac but found it
  annoying. I installed it then used it to add my audio book library to
  it. Then, I used the iphone sonos app to play my audio book library on
  the sonos. The one problem I had was the sonos app on the mac kept
  trying to send all audio to the sonos speaker even when it was powered
  off.
  HTH Jeff
 
 
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   Hi there,
   I'm relatively new to the Mac, and am wondering if I will be able to
   use the Sonos controller app with voiceover. I already use it mostly
   on my phone, but I'd like to be able to add my Mac's music library.
   Thanks in Advance for any tips, guidance, or advice.
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Re: Sonos Controler.

[Matthew Janusauskas]

While the Sonos controller for Mac does have accessibility hints on many of
the controlls that are helpful when using VoiceOver most of the buttons and
controlls do not actually have text labels which makes it not very
efficient or enjoyable to use unfortunately. Hopefully this will be
improved in the future.

Matthew


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 Hi Kevin, I used to use the sonos controller on the mac but found it
 annoying. I installed it then used it to add my audio book library to
 it. Then, I used the iphone sonos app to play my audio book library on
 the sonos. The one problem I had was the sonos app on the mac kept
 trying to send all audio to the sonos speaker even when it was powered
 off.
 HTH Jeff


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  Hi there,
  I'm relatively new to the Mac, and am wondering if I will be able to
  use the Sonos controller app with voiceover. I already use it mostly
  on my phone, but I'd like to be able to add my Mac's music library.
  Thanks in Advance for any tips, guidance, or advice.
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RE: waking up macbook pro

[Matthew Janusauskas]

 

Yes I also experience this on a MacBook Air running Mavericks.  I have
not found a solution so far.

 

Matthew

 

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 10:50 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: waking up macbook pro

 

Hi,

 

It appears to be an activation of VoiceOver kind of problem.  The
computer is actually functioning properly, VO is just not ready to speak
to you.  So, if your Mac requires you to enter your password, just go
ahead and enter it.  If you're wanting to start a specific app, you can
still press VO-d to go to the Desktop and press the first couple letters
of the Dock shortcut and press return to open it.  Usually, somewhere in
that process, VO will start announcing what you're doing.  It's kind of
a pain but, you are correct in that it is a Mavericks thing.

 

Later...

 

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada 

 

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Hi all!
One of the things I've always liked about my macbook pro is that I could
close the lid and when I re-opened it I had almost instant access to the
computer.
Since Mavericks that is not the case.  Voiceover will not speak at
first, and there is about 10 seconds in which I cannot do anything at
all but patiently wait for my computer to have its morning cup 'o jo
after waking up;
Does anybody else have this sluggish problem?
Thanks,
Jim

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RE: Password Manager

[Matthew Janusauskas]

1Password works quite well and both the OS X and iOS apps are
accessible.

Matthew


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Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 9:59 PM
To: MacVisionaries
Subject: Password Manager

What is a good password manager for the Mac? And is there also an 
iPhone vcersion so the two can be synced?

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RE: Downcast for mac now available in the mac app store!

[Matthew Janusauskas]

Hello,

 

Does the Mac version have AirPlay support?

 

Matthew

 

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Fischler
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 12:26 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Downcast for mac now available in the mac app store!

 

At first glance the app for the mac is 100 percent accessible. The
Downcast for mac app seems to be very similar to the iTunes player
layout. I only have played around with it for a few minutes, and so far
have gotten all of my podcasts from my iPhone on to the mac, just by
clicking the refresh button. All of my episodes have not synched up yet,
but I am working on figuring that out, as I am not really sure how
iPhone sync works with Downcast, if anyone has figured that out, please
let us know. I have gotten an episode to play, and went in and
downloaded an episode that wasn't already there, all very simple to do,
and very accessible. After only a few minutes, I would have to say that
just like their iPhone app, Downcast has knocked it out of the park with
their mac app and accessibility. I haven't played around with all of the
features yet, but I have yet to come across an unlabeled button or
anything I can't get to. If anyone else has run out to buy this app like
me, please let us know your thoughts as. Thanks


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Hi all,

 

Downcast for mac is now available in the mac app store! Link is below:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/downcast/id668429425?mt=12
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/downcast/id668429425?mt=12 ), Downcast
for iOS is on sale!
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/downcast/id393858566?mt=8
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/downcast/id393858566?mt=8 

It's a fantastic app on iOS and is just as fantastic on the mac!

 

Cheers,

 

Scott

 

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RE: organizing bookmarks

[Matthew Janusauskas]

Can anyone explain the difference between folders and collections for Safari 
bookmarks?

Matthew



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Andre Nuno Soares
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 17:44
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: organizing bookmarks

Hello Laura,

After you press Command Option B you'll be in a Search Text Field. VO left 
arrow once and you'll find a table. Interact with it (VO-Shift-down arrow)and 
you'll see categories for History (for the list of web pages you have visited 
so far) Bookmarks Bar, Bookmarks Menu, All RSS Feeds, and one entry for each 
bookmark import, if you did any.
Use the up and down arrow keys to move between the categories.

You probably have been adding bookmarks to the Bookmarks Menu, so select that 
and stop interacting with the table (VO-Shift-up arrow). VO-right arrow twice 
and you're at a different table. Interact with it and you'll see all your 
bookmarks.

To create a bookmark folder navigate to the bookmark immediately above where 
you want the folder to be and press Command-Shift-N. Type the name you want to 
give it (you won't hear it being echoed) and finish with Enter.

To change a bookmark location in the Menu, just cut it (Command-X) and paste it 
(Command-V), again on the bookmark immediately above where you want this one to 
be.

To change the name or URL of a bookmark, select it and press VO-Shift-M for the 
application menu, where you'll find this and other options.


Hope I managed  to be clear :-)

Cheers,
André

On Mar 16, 2011, at 10:38 PM, Laura Bratton wrote:

 Hi Andre,
 Once I have pressed command option B how  do I make the changes that
 you listed?
 Thanks,
 Laura
 
 Andre Nuno Soares wrote:
 Hello Laura,
 
 Command Option B displays all your bookmarks . In here you can change your 
 bookmarks display order, their name or URL, add bookmark folders,etc.
 Was this what you were looking for?
 
 
 
 HTH,
 André
 
 On Mar 15, 2011, at 10:02 PM, Laura Bratton wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 Is there  a way to organize  my  bookmarks? on my PC I could organize the 
 bookmarks by alphabet. can that be done on the mac?
 Thanks for the help,
 Laura
 
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