Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes
I too would have to agree with scott! On Sep 5, 2009, at 8:33 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > > Nice post, Scott. These are all very good points. > donna > > -Original Message- > From: Scott Chesworth > Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 6:44 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application > Updated With Accessibility Fixes > > > Cara - Appologies if it came across as less than constructive critique > at your end, I thought I made it pretty obvious that I wasn't knocking > Josh's efforts at all. Perhaps it was the comparrison that came over > wrong, for what it's worth, it was written light heartedly at this > end. Not everyone thinks the same, hence why I kept it on list and > suggested either a poll or for more folks to chime in. > A few thoughts from the slow costly access and mobile camp, of course > they're going to be from my own point of view, can't help that, but my > thought processes aren't too outragious (most of the time): > Surely the majority of people who'd be browsing high traffic lists > like this on a mobile device would have some sort of data plan in > place, or risk bankruptcy. Seeing as how not every platform is as > slick and quick as the iPhone though, wouldn't it make more sense for > those people to receive a couple of extra kb of text in their email > per day at most rather than launch their browser, wait for a whole > webpage to download on what could likely be a flakey connection, then > take on the frustration of navigating the content (no disrespect, it's > a well laid out site, my point is that mobile browsing in the main is > fairly horrible). > For the pay-per-minute folks or similar, again, sticking in one app > and downloading an email with the full content as a couple kb of text > verses firing up their prefered choice of browser and downloading a > whole page of HTML would save time and money would it not? > All I can say is that, although it's from my own point of view, I'm > moving to a new pad next week and will be getting my net access from a > horrid mixture of those two options, and the above makes more sense to > me as I'm fast approaching the week or so of access-less trauma lol. > Plus, I'm not sure if you've made it through the whole thread yet, but > you seem to have quite a few people not minding the updates, but > prefering the full content. Clearly not everyone is as grouchy as us > troublemakers that started the debate, but that part of it doesn't > seem to be going away. > > Scott - I get why you forward your posts linked to stay on the right > side of people's terms and conditions, but seeing as all the posts I > can remember have been written by a contributor to maccessibility.net, > I'd hope they have permission to republish there own stuff. > > Hopefully this doesn't tread on anyone's toes too hard, just my 2 > cents worth. > > Scott > > On 9/5/09, Cara Quinn wrote: >> >> Once again you all really do need to remember here that just >> because those of us here in America seem to have basically fast, >> free- >> flowing internet access, that's just not the case in all areas of the >> world, or even in this country. (US) >> >> There are many people whom pay based on bandwidth used. So, each >> additional minute they spend downloading email is more money they >> spend out-of-pocket. >> >> This isn't even touching on the vast audience on mobile devices… >> >> Quite simply put, this model of posting with a summary and link >> really is the best balance we know of, currently, to work well for >> everyone. >> >> Honestly, since when is it so very difficult to click on a link?… >> >> As I said, this is not some push to get traffic to the site. this >> is simply meant as a quick, courteous way of posting good, relevant, >> timely info that everyone can benefit from, in a way that they can >> easily work with. I hope this makes sense… >> >> Just as a side note here, you all really should know (not to put >> poor Josh on the spot here :) ) but Josh has really out done himself >> here with the Maccessibility network site, putting extreme amounts of >> hours / effort into it so that your user experience really can be >> superb. And, I for one, think he's done a fab job! >> >> So once again, might I simply ask that we consider contributing >> suggestions / critique in a positive way, and perhaps share >> suggestions with Josh and I, which you feel might actually benefit >> the >> larger user base, r
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes
Thanks. I didn't have my feelings hurt as I did think that this group had hoped to get iPhone stuff moved to the viphone list. I do also think that there are far too few blinks using any sort of Apple equipment to really support as many lists as we have already. Of course, I started the vo...@lists.hofstader.com for bs'ing about things related to vo with no boundaries at all and, just this past week, I suggested yet another list for us hacker types so we don't bore people with real lives . Happy Labor Day, cdh On Sep 6, 2009, at 2:42 PM, Cara Quinn wrote: > > Hi Chris, who told you to move discussions from here?… > > To everyone, for future reference, if Josh or I say a topic is okay > for the list, regardless of what any other lister says, then that > topic is fine to bring up on the list. > > iPhone topics (even that of ATT issues related to the iPhone) are > okay here. The reason is this; many new people who may be curious > about Apple, whether it be Mac or iPhone etc. may find this list > before the VIPhone group. So these discussions are relevant here. This > really is meant to be a general purpose Apple list with a tendency > toward Mac discussion. > > Now, as far as listers getting bothered or asking that a topic be > moved from this list; people are welcome to write Josh and I regarding > these sorts of requests, however as I said, as this is a more diverse > list, in some senses, than the VIPhone group. If anyone has issues > with postings here, talk to Josh or myself privately. If we need to > ask a lister to move a topic, we certainly will. > > HOpe this makes sense and if anyone has questions, please don't > hesitate to write me at: > > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > Have an awesome day!… > > Smiles, > > Cara :) > --- > View my Online Portfolio at: > > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn > > Follow me on Twitter! > > https://twitter.com/ModelCara > > On Sep 6, 2009, at 6:13 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote: > > > Some of us have been told to move iPhone discussions to the viphone > list rather than posting them here. I'm on the fence about this issue > as the Macintosh and iPhone have very different user interfaces, do a > whole bunch of different things but work together almost seamlessly. > I recently had a weird issue with AT&T and put it on the viphone list > as such is really out of bounds for a Mac user. > > I've no solutions as allowing and prohibiting iPhone questions and > statements here have both good and bad potential outcomes. > > cdh > On Sep 5, 2009, at 6:47 PM, Cara Quinn wrote: > >> >> Hi Ben, no you didn't spell my name wrong, but thanks for the >> concern. YOu rock! :) >> >> Now, regarding iPhone discussion here; my apologies if I ever made >> it seem that it was unwelcome. >> >> In the list guidelines I continually post, I specifically mention >> that all Apple content is welcome here. I.E. This means Mac, iPhone, >> Apple TV, iPods etc. >> >> yes this list has Mac in its name, but it's not limited to just >> Macintosh discussion. >> >> thanks for your note, and I sure hope this clears this up. >> >> have an awesome weekend!… >> >> Smiles, >> >> Cara :) >> --- >> View my Online Portfolio at: >> >> http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn >> >> Follow me on Twitter! >> >> https://twitter.com/ModelCara >> >> On Sep 4, 2009, at 12:02 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >> >> >> Why am I getting these? When the 3gs first came out, I seem to >> remember that Cara was quite adamant that discussion of it on the mv >> list was off topic so she created a new list for it. Surely, things >> like this would fit in better on the other list? >> >> Sorry if I spelt your name wrong btw Cara. >> >> On 04/09/2009, Maccessibility wrote: >>> >>> FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes >>> >>> The FaceBook.com iPhone application has been updated to version >>> 3.02. The >>> update focuses on VoiceOver compatibility, and accessibility fixes. >>> The >>> rapidity >>> with which the developer has addressed the accessibility issues is >>> extraordinary, and we applaud FaceBook for this response. >>> The application is exceptionally usable now, with only a couple of >>> unlabeled >>> controls which can be quickly [...] >>> >>> You can read the rest of this news item at: >>> http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/09/04/facebook-iphone-application-updated-with-accessibility-fixes/ >>> >>> The Mac-cessibility Network >>> "...it's all within our reach..." >>> http://maccessibility.net >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kind regards, BEN. >> >> email: bmustillr...@gmail.com >> msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com >> web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) >> >> >> >> >>> > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr..
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes
Hi Chris, who told you to move discussions from here?… To everyone, for future reference, if Josh or I say a topic is okay for the list, regardless of what any other lister says, then that topic is fine to bring up on the list. iPhone topics (even that of ATT issues related to the iPhone) are okay here. The reason is this; many new people who may be curious about Apple, whether it be Mac or iPhone etc. may find this list before the VIPhone group. So these discussions are relevant here. This really is meant to be a general purpose Apple list with a tendency toward Mac discussion. Now, as far as listers getting bothered or asking that a topic be moved from this list; people are welcome to write Josh and I regarding these sorts of requests, however as I said, as this is a more diverse list, in some senses, than the VIPhone group. If anyone has issues with postings here, talk to Josh or myself privately. If we need to ask a lister to move a topic, we certainly will. HOpe this makes sense and if anyone has questions, please don't hesitate to write me at: caraqu...@caraquinn.com Have an awesome day!… Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Sep 6, 2009, at 6:13 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote: Some of us have been told to move iPhone discussions to the viphone list rather than posting them here. I'm on the fence about this issue as the Macintosh and iPhone have very different user interfaces, do a whole bunch of different things but work together almost seamlessly. I recently had a weird issue with AT&T and put it on the viphone list as such is really out of bounds for a Mac user. I've no solutions as allowing and prohibiting iPhone questions and statements here have both good and bad potential outcomes. cdh On Sep 5, 2009, at 6:47 PM, Cara Quinn wrote: > > Hi Ben, no you didn't spell my name wrong, but thanks for the > concern. YOu rock! :) > > Now, regarding iPhone discussion here; my apologies if I ever made > it seem that it was unwelcome. > > In the list guidelines I continually post, I specifically mention > that all Apple content is welcome here. I.E. This means Mac, iPhone, > Apple TV, iPods etc. > > yes this list has Mac in its name, but it's not limited to just > Macintosh discussion. > > thanks for your note, and I sure hope this clears this up. > > have an awesome weekend!… > > Smiles, > > Cara :) > --- > View my Online Portfolio at: > > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn > > Follow me on Twitter! > > https://twitter.com/ModelCara > > On Sep 4, 2009, at 12:02 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > > > Why am I getting these? When the 3gs first came out, I seem to > remember that Cara was quite adamant that discussion of it on the mv > list was off topic so she created a new list for it. Surely, things > like this would fit in better on the other list? > > Sorry if I spelt your name wrong btw Cara. > > On 04/09/2009, Maccessibility wrote: >> >> FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes >> >> The FaceBook.com iPhone application has been updated to version >> 3.02. The >> update focuses on VoiceOver compatibility, and accessibility fixes. >> The >> rapidity >> with which the developer has addressed the accessibility issues is >> extraordinary, and we applaud FaceBook for this response. >> The application is exceptionally usable now, with only a couple of >> unlabeled >> controls which can be quickly [...] >> >> You can read the rest of this news item at: >> http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/09/04/facebook-iphone-application-updated-with-accessibility-fixes/ >> >> The Mac-cessibility Network >> "...it's all within our reach..." >> http://maccessibility.net >> >> >>> >> > > > -- > Kind regards, BEN. > > email: bmustillr...@gmail.com > msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com > web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) > > > > >> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes
Some of us have been told to move iPhone discussions to the viphone list rather than posting them here. I'm on the fence about this issue as the Macintosh and iPhone have very different user interfaces, do a whole bunch of different things but work together almost seamlessly. I recently had a weird issue with AT&T and put it on the viphone list as such is really out of bounds for a Mac user. I've no solutions as allowing and prohibiting iPhone questions and statements here have both good and bad potential outcomes. cdh On Sep 5, 2009, at 6:47 PM, Cara Quinn wrote: > > Hi Ben, no you didn't spell my name wrong, but thanks for the > concern. YOu rock! :) > > Now, regarding iPhone discussion here; my apologies if I ever made > it seem that it was unwelcome. > > In the list guidelines I continually post, I specifically mention > that all Apple content is welcome here. I.E. This means Mac, iPhone, > Apple TV, iPods etc. > > yes this list has Mac in its name, but it's not limited to just > Macintosh discussion. > > thanks for your note, and I sure hope this clears this up. > > have an awesome weekend!… > > Smiles, > > Cara :) > --- > View my Online Portfolio at: > > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn > > Follow me on Twitter! > > https://twitter.com/ModelCara > > On Sep 4, 2009, at 12:02 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > > > Why am I getting these? When the 3gs first came out, I seem to > remember that Cara was quite adamant that discussion of it on the mv > list was off topic so she created a new list for it. Surely, things > like this would fit in better on the other list? > > Sorry if I spelt your name wrong btw Cara. > > On 04/09/2009, Maccessibility wrote: >> >> FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes >> >> The FaceBook.com iPhone application has been updated to version >> 3.02. The >> update focuses on VoiceOver compatibility, and accessibility fixes. >> The >> rapidity >> with which the developer has addressed the accessibility issues is >> extraordinary, and we applaud FaceBook for this response. >> The application is exceptionally usable now, with only a couple of >> unlabeled >> controls which can be quickly [...] >> >> You can read the rest of this news item at: >> http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/09/04/facebook-iphone-application-updated-with-accessibility-fixes/ >> >> The Mac-cessibility Network >> "...it's all within our reach..." >> http://maccessibility.net >> >> >>> >> > > > -- > Kind regards, BEN. > > email: bmustillr...@gmail.com > msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com > web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes
Nice post, Scott. These are all very good points. donna -Original Message- From: Scott Chesworth Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 6:44 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes Cara - Appologies if it came across as less than constructive critique at your end, I thought I made it pretty obvious that I wasn't knocking Josh's efforts at all. Perhaps it was the comparrison that came over wrong, for what it's worth, it was written light heartedly at this end. Not everyone thinks the same, hence why I kept it on list and suggested either a poll or for more folks to chime in. A few thoughts from the slow costly access and mobile camp, of course they're going to be from my own point of view, can't help that, but my thought processes aren't too outragious (most of the time): Surely the majority of people who'd be browsing high traffic lists like this on a mobile device would have some sort of data plan in place, or risk bankruptcy. Seeing as how not every platform is as slick and quick as the iPhone though, wouldn't it make more sense for those people to receive a couple of extra kb of text in their email per day at most rather than launch their browser, wait for a whole webpage to download on what could likely be a flakey connection, then take on the frustration of navigating the content (no disrespect, it's a well laid out site, my point is that mobile browsing in the main is fairly horrible). For the pay-per-minute folks or similar, again, sticking in one app and downloading an email with the full content as a couple kb of text verses firing up their prefered choice of browser and downloading a whole page of HTML would save time and money would it not? All I can say is that, although it's from my own point of view, I'm moving to a new pad next week and will be getting my net access from a horrid mixture of those two options, and the above makes more sense to me as I'm fast approaching the week or so of access-less trauma lol. Plus, I'm not sure if you've made it through the whole thread yet, but you seem to have quite a few people not minding the updates, but prefering the full content. Clearly not everyone is as grouchy as us troublemakers that started the debate, but that part of it doesn't seem to be going away. Scott - I get why you forward your posts linked to stay on the right side of people's terms and conditions, but seeing as all the posts I can remember have been written by a contributor to maccessibility.net, I'd hope they have permission to republish there own stuff. Hopefully this doesn't tread on anyone's toes too hard, just my 2 cents worth. Scott On 9/5/09, Cara Quinn wrote: > >Once again you all really do need to remember here that just > because those of us here in America seem to have basically fast, free- > flowing internet access, that's just not the case in all areas of the > world, or even in this country. (US) > >There are many people whom pay based on bandwidth used. So, each > additional minute they spend downloading email is more money they > spend out-of-pocket. > >This isn't even touching on the vast audience on mobile devices… > >Quite simply put, this model of posting with a summary and link > really is the best balance we know of, currently, to work well for > everyone. > >Honestly, since when is it so very difficult to click on a link?… > >As I said, this is not some push to get traffic to the site. this > is simply meant as a quick, courteous way of posting good, relevant, > timely info that everyone can benefit from, in a way that they can > easily work with. I hope this makes sense… > >Just as a side note here, you all really should know (not to put > poor Josh on the spot here :) ) but Josh has really out done himself > here with the Maccessibility network site, putting extreme amounts of > hours / effort into it so that your user experience really can be > superb. And, I for one, think he's done a fab job! > >So once again, might I simply ask that we consider contributing > suggestions / critique in a positive way, and perhaps share > suggestions with Josh and I, which you feel might actually benefit the > larger user base, rather than just yourself or a small group?… We'd > definitely appreciate feedback in this way. > >Thanks for reading and once again, do have a lovely weekend!… > > Smiles, > > Cara :) > --- > View my Online Portfolio at: > > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn > > Follow me on Twitter! > > https://twitter.com/ModelCara > > On Sep 5, 2009, at 1:22 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > > > If the email contained the full text of th
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes
Hey again Scott, for the record, I'm actually one of these people who would prefer to read the post in the message, however, this is not something I'd ever advocate for nor sign off on, simply because I truly feel it's not the best way to manage these types of postings to these lists. I simply will not do what I really feel is not in the best interest of this community as a whole; even if it's just a small detail like this. Small details beget large details. :) Anyway, the ratios are not necessarily wrong. We must remember that we're really not hearing from the majority here. This list is several hundred strong. :) -And growing, I might add! woohoo for us!… So since that's the case, we need to consider that others may not share interest in receiving full updates. As I've said before, sending full posts without links really eliminates the choice of those who aren't interested in reading those messages. They're simply forced to download the message in it's entirety whether they like it or not. Whereas, this current model uses less bandwidth and allows choice on both ends. I guess for now, I'm still open to discussing this off-list, but it's probably best to leave this for the moment. We're really going to stay with this model as long as it's the best one which serves the largest user base well. As I said, you're more than welcome to write me privately to continue this and I'll say the same to others as well. I definitely would like to keep up to date with user feedback on list performance. Thanks again and you know the whole weekend thing! L8rs! Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Sep 5, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: I see your point, just for some reason, I appear to be making the same one in reverse lol. If this is mainly about the convenience of those on flakey or expensive connections, and every maccessibility post is going to be relevant and of interest to a good number of people, plus the majority of people in this thread on their good connections so far have asked for the same thing, I'm missing the sticking point. In my mind, if the size of the email with a full content is considerably less to download than the full page would be for those interested in reading the post, and the majority of people find these posts of interest no matter what connection they're on, then surely it's a win win situation to switch to the method people are actually asking for. As much as the way it's done now was a neat idea to try out and looks quite slick, the ratios seem wrong. Sorry to harp on, just trying to get a point across because I'm soon to be part of the antique collection club. If I really don't have a point and there's no intentions of changing things, tell me to shut my face and I'll stop flogging this horse with no offence taken. A fab weekend back at ya... Scott On 9/6/09, Cara Quinn wrote: > > Scott, no prob; > > :) I actually wasn't pointing any fingers on the critique thing but > rather suggesting that ppl might begin thinking in the direction you > are in the sense of what would benefit the whole rather than a few > parts. > > To address your issue, yes, if someone wanted to read the article > on a slow / 'paid' connection, that it would probably be easier / less > costly to simply post the entirety of the post in the message itself, > but if you look at this then, for the user who'd either rather not > read it, or who simply wants the quick update, they benefit as they > don't need to download the entire article and can then simply > download / delete the abbreviated version as it were. > > This gives the interested user a choice of whether they choose to > see the entire posting, and doesn't require other users to download a > larger message without a choice in the matter. -Make sense?… > > This gives everyone a choice with minimal waste of time / bandwidth… > > It really does seem like the best option we can think of, but > seriously, if ppl can come up with something better, then we'd sure > listen… :) > > Anyway, hope I've addressed everything here, and if not, then > please shout out! K?… > > Have a terrific weekend!… > > Smiles, > > Cara :) > --- > View my Online Portfolio at: > > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn > > Follow me on Twitter! > > https://twitter.com/ModelCara > > On Sep 5, 2009, at 3:44 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: > > > Cara - Appologies if it came across as less than constructive critique > at your end, I thought I made it pretty obvious that I wasn't knocking > Josh's efforts at all. Perhaps it was the comparrison that came over > wrong, for what it's worth, it was written light heartedly at this > end. Not everyone thinks the same, hence why I kept it on list and > suggested either a poll or for more folks to chime in. > A few thoughts from the slow costly
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes
I see your point, just for some reason, I appear to be making the same one in reverse lol. If this is mainly about the convenience of those on flakey or expensive connections, and every maccessibility post is going to be relevant and of interest to a good number of people, plus the majority of people in this thread on their good connections so far have asked for the same thing, I'm missing the sticking point. In my mind, if the size of the email with a full content is considerably less to download than the full page would be for those interested in reading the post, and the majority of people find these posts of interest no matter what connection they're on, then surely it's a win win situation to switch to the method people are actually asking for. As much as the way it's done now was a neat idea to try out and looks quite slick, the ratios seem wrong. Sorry to harp on, just trying to get a point across because I'm soon to be part of the antique collection club. If I really don't have a point and there's no intentions of changing things, tell me to shut my face and I'll stop flogging this horse with no offence taken. A fab weekend back at ya... Scott On 9/6/09, Cara Quinn wrote: > >Scott, no prob; > >:) I actually wasn't pointing any fingers on the critique thing but > rather suggesting that ppl might begin thinking in the direction you > are in the sense of what would benefit the whole rather than a few > parts. > >To address your issue, yes, if someone wanted to read the article > on a slow / 'paid' connection, that it would probably be easier / less > costly to simply post the entirety of the post in the message itself, > but if you look at this then, for the user who'd either rather not > read it, or who simply wants the quick update, they benefit as they > don't need to download the entire article and can then simply > download / delete the abbreviated version as it were. > >This gives the interested user a choice of whether they choose to > see the entire posting, and doesn't require other users to download a > larger message without a choice in the matter. -Make sense?… > >This gives everyone a choice with minimal waste of time / bandwidth… > >It really does seem like the best option we can think of, but > seriously, if ppl can come up with something better, then we'd sure > listen… :) > >Anyway, hope I've addressed everything here, and if not, then > please shout out! K?… > >Have a terrific weekend!… > > Smiles, > > Cara :) > --- > View my Online Portfolio at: > > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn > > Follow me on Twitter! > > https://twitter.com/ModelCara > > On Sep 5, 2009, at 3:44 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: > > > Cara - Appologies if it came across as less than constructive critique > at your end, I thought I made it pretty obvious that I wasn't knocking > Josh's efforts at all. Perhaps it was the comparrison that came over > wrong, for what it's worth, it was written light heartedly at this > end. Not everyone thinks the same, hence why I kept it on list and > suggested either a poll or for more folks to chime in. > A few thoughts from the slow costly access and mobile camp, of course > they're going to be from my own point of view, can't help that, but my > thought processes aren't too outragious (most of the time): > Surely the majority of people who'd be browsing high traffic lists > like this on a mobile device would have some sort of data plan in > place, or risk bankruptcy. Seeing as how not every platform is as > slick and quick as the iPhone though, wouldn't it make more sense for > those people to receive a couple of extra kb of text in their email > per day at most rather than launch their browser, wait for a whole > webpage to download on what could likely be a flakey connection, then > take on the frustration of navigating the content (no disrespect, it's > a well laid out site, my point is that mobile browsing in the main is > fairly horrible). > For the pay-per-minute folks or similar, again, sticking in one app > and downloading an email with the full content as a couple kb of text > verses firing up their prefered choice of browser and downloading a > whole page of HTML would save time and money would it not? > All I can say is that, although it's from my own point of view, I'm > moving to a new pad next week and will be getting my net access from a > horrid mixture of those two options, and the above makes more sense to > me as I'm fast approaching the week or so of access-less trauma lol. > Plus, I'm not sure if you've made it through the whole thread yet, but > you seem to have quite a few people not minding the updates, but > prefering the full content. Clearly not everyone is as grouchy as us > troublemakers that started the debate, but that part of it doesn't > seem to be going away. > > Scott - I get why you forward your posts linked to stay on the right > side of people's terms and conditions, but seeing as all the posts
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes
Scott, no prob; :) I actually wasn't pointing any fingers on the critique thing but rather suggesting that ppl might begin thinking in the direction you are in the sense of what would benefit the whole rather than a few parts. To address your issue, yes, if someone wanted to read the article on a slow / 'paid' connection, that it would probably be easier / less costly to simply post the entirety of the post in the message itself, but if you look at this then, for the user who'd either rather not read it, or who simply wants the quick update, they benefit as they don't need to download the entire article and can then simply download / delete the abbreviated version as it were. This gives the interested user a choice of whether they choose to see the entire posting, and doesn't require other users to download a larger message without a choice in the matter. -Make sense?… This gives everyone a choice with minimal waste of time / bandwidth… It really does seem like the best option we can think of, but seriously, if ppl can come up with something better, then we'd sure listen… :) Anyway, hope I've addressed everything here, and if not, then please shout out! K?… Have a terrific weekend!… Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Sep 5, 2009, at 3:44 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: Cara - Appologies if it came across as less than constructive critique at your end, I thought I made it pretty obvious that I wasn't knocking Josh's efforts at all. Perhaps it was the comparrison that came over wrong, for what it's worth, it was written light heartedly at this end. Not everyone thinks the same, hence why I kept it on list and suggested either a poll or for more folks to chime in. A few thoughts from the slow costly access and mobile camp, of course they're going to be from my own point of view, can't help that, but my thought processes aren't too outragious (most of the time): Surely the majority of people who'd be browsing high traffic lists like this on a mobile device would have some sort of data plan in place, or risk bankruptcy. Seeing as how not every platform is as slick and quick as the iPhone though, wouldn't it make more sense for those people to receive a couple of extra kb of text in their email per day at most rather than launch their browser, wait for a whole webpage to download on what could likely be a flakey connection, then take on the frustration of navigating the content (no disrespect, it's a well laid out site, my point is that mobile browsing in the main is fairly horrible). For the pay-per-minute folks or similar, again, sticking in one app and downloading an email with the full content as a couple kb of text verses firing up their prefered choice of browser and downloading a whole page of HTML would save time and money would it not? All I can say is that, although it's from my own point of view, I'm moving to a new pad next week and will be getting my net access from a horrid mixture of those two options, and the above makes more sense to me as I'm fast approaching the week or so of access-less trauma lol. Plus, I'm not sure if you've made it through the whole thread yet, but you seem to have quite a few people not minding the updates, but prefering the full content. Clearly not everyone is as grouchy as us troublemakers that started the debate, but that part of it doesn't seem to be going away. Scott - I get why you forward your posts linked to stay on the right side of people's terms and conditions, but seeing as all the posts I can remember have been written by a contributor to maccessibility.net, I'd hope they have permission to republish there own stuff. Hopefully this doesn't tread on anyone's toes too hard, just my 2 cents worth. Scott On 9/5/09, Cara Quinn wrote: > > Once again you all really do need to remember here that just > because those of us here in America seem to have basically fast, free- > flowing internet access, that's just not the case in all areas of the > world, or even in this country. (US) > > There are many people whom pay based on bandwidth used. So, each > additional minute they spend downloading email is more money they > spend out-of-pocket. > > This isn't even touching on the vast audience on mobile devices… > > Quite simply put, this model of posting with a summary and link > really is the best balance we know of, currently, to work well for > everyone. > > Honestly, since when is it so very difficult to click on a link?… > > As I said, this is not some push to get traffic to the site. this > is simply meant as a quick, courteous way of posting good, relevant, > timely info that everyone can benefit from, in a way that they can > easily work with. I hope this makes sense… > > Just as a side note here, you all really should know (not to put > poor Josh on the spot here :) ) b
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Hi Ben, no you didn't spell my name wrong, but thanks for the concern. YOu rock! :) Now, regarding iPhone discussion here; my apologies if I ever made it seem that it was unwelcome. In the list guidelines I continually post, I specifically mention that all Apple content is welcome here. I.E. This means Mac, iPhone, Apple TV, iPods etc. yes this list has Mac in its name, but it's not limited to just Macintosh discussion. thanks for your note, and I sure hope this clears this up. have an awesome weekend!… Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Sep 4, 2009, at 12:02 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: Why am I getting these? When the 3gs first came out, I seem to remember that Cara was quite adamant that discussion of it on the mv list was off topic so she created a new list for it. Surely, things like this would fit in better on the other list? Sorry if I spelt your name wrong btw Cara. On 04/09/2009, Maccessibility wrote: > > FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes > > The FaceBook.com iPhone application has been updated to version > 3.02. The > update focuses on VoiceOver compatibility, and accessibility fixes. > The > rapidity > with which the developer has addressed the accessibility issues is > extraordinary, and we applaud FaceBook for this response. > The application is exceptionally usable now, with only a couple of > unlabeled > controls which can be quickly [...] > > You can read the rest of this news item at: > http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/09/04/facebook-iphone-application-updated-with-accessibility-fixes/ > > The Mac-cessibility Network > "...it's all within our reach..." > http://maccessibility.net > > >> > -- Kind regards, BEN. email: bmustillr...@gmail.com msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Cara - Appologies if it came across as less than constructive critique at your end, I thought I made it pretty obvious that I wasn't knocking Josh's efforts at all. Perhaps it was the comparrison that came over wrong, for what it's worth, it was written light heartedly at this end. Not everyone thinks the same, hence why I kept it on list and suggested either a poll or for more folks to chime in. A few thoughts from the slow costly access and mobile camp, of course they're going to be from my own point of view, can't help that, but my thought processes aren't too outragious (most of the time): Surely the majority of people who'd be browsing high traffic lists like this on a mobile device would have some sort of data plan in place, or risk bankruptcy. Seeing as how not every platform is as slick and quick as the iPhone though, wouldn't it make more sense for those people to receive a couple of extra kb of text in their email per day at most rather than launch their browser, wait for a whole webpage to download on what could likely be a flakey connection, then take on the frustration of navigating the content (no disrespect, it's a well laid out site, my point is that mobile browsing in the main is fairly horrible). For the pay-per-minute folks or similar, again, sticking in one app and downloading an email with the full content as a couple kb of text verses firing up their prefered choice of browser and downloading a whole page of HTML would save time and money would it not? All I can say is that, although it's from my own point of view, I'm moving to a new pad next week and will be getting my net access from a horrid mixture of those two options, and the above makes more sense to me as I'm fast approaching the week or so of access-less trauma lol. Plus, I'm not sure if you've made it through the whole thread yet, but you seem to have quite a few people not minding the updates, but prefering the full content. Clearly not everyone is as grouchy as us troublemakers that started the debate, but that part of it doesn't seem to be going away. Scott - I get why you forward your posts linked to stay on the right side of people's terms and conditions, but seeing as all the posts I can remember have been written by a contributor to maccessibility.net, I'd hope they have permission to republish there own stuff. Hopefully this doesn't tread on anyone's toes too hard, just my 2 cents worth. Scott On 9/5/09, Cara Quinn wrote: > >Once again you all really do need to remember here that just > because those of us here in America seem to have basically fast, free- > flowing internet access, that's just not the case in all areas of the > world, or even in this country. (US) > >There are many people whom pay based on bandwidth used. So, each > additional minute they spend downloading email is more money they > spend out-of-pocket. > >This isn't even touching on the vast audience on mobile devices… > >Quite simply put, this model of posting with a summary and link > really is the best balance we know of, currently, to work well for > everyone. > >Honestly, since when is it so very difficult to click on a link?… > >As I said, this is not some push to get traffic to the site. this > is simply meant as a quick, courteous way of posting good, relevant, > timely info that everyone can benefit from, in a way that they can > easily work with. I hope this makes sense… > >Just as a side note here, you all really should know (not to put > poor Josh on the spot here :) ) but Josh has really out done himself > here with the Maccessibility network site, putting extreme amounts of > hours / effort into it so that your user experience really can be > superb. And, I for one, think he's done a fab job! > >So once again, might I simply ask that we consider contributing > suggestions / critique in a positive way, and perhaps share > suggestions with Josh and I, which you feel might actually benefit the > larger user base, rather than just yourself or a small group?… We'd > definitely appreciate feedback in this way. > >Thanks for reading and once again, do have a lovely weekend!… > > Smiles, > > Cara :) > --- > View my Online Portfolio at: > > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn > > Follow me on Twitter! > > https://twitter.com/ModelCara > > On Sep 5, 2009, at 1:22 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > > > If the email contained the full text of the article I probably > wouldn't have minded so much. If a user is going through a list of > there emails and only reading the ones that interest them, assuming > there not interested in yours, its not going to take any more time to > skip over your email if the full text is included as apposed to it > not. As it stands, I see this purely as advertising for your network > since i'm going to have to visit your site just to get the full story. > > No hard feelings intended. > > On 05/09/2009, Larry Wanger wrote: >> >> I don't mind the updates from the Mac site bu
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yes, well said, we use starband http://starband.net and we only have 5 gb internet transfer for every seven day roling average, and trust me friends, you don't know how much you use the internet untel you geto n starband:( mike On Sep 5, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Cara Quinn wrote: > > Once again you all really do need to remember here that just > because those of us here in America seem to have basically fast, free- > flowing internet access, that's just not the case in all areas of the > world, or even in this country. (US) > > There are many people whom pay based on bandwidth used. So, each > additional minute they spend downloading email is more money they > spend out-of-pocket. > > This isn't even touching on the vast audience on mobile devices… > > Quite simply put, this model of posting with a summary and link > really is the best balance we know of, currently, to work well for > everyone. > > Honestly, since when is it so very difficult to click on a link?… > > As I said, this is not some push to get traffic to the site. this > is simply meant as a quick, courteous way of posting good, relevant, > timely info that everyone can benefit from, in a way that they can > easily work with. I hope this makes sense… > > Just as a side note here, you all really should know (not to put > poor Josh on the spot here :) ) but Josh has really out done himself > here with the Maccessibility network site, putting extreme amounts of > hours / effort into it so that your user experience really can be > superb. And, I for one, think he's done a fab job! > > So once again, might I simply ask that we consider contributing > suggestions / critique in a positive way, and perhaps share > suggestions with Josh and I, which you feel might actually benefit the > larger user base, rather than just yourself or a small group?… We'd > definitely appreciate feedback in this way. > > Thanks for reading and once again, do have a lovely weekend!… > > Smiles, > > Cara :) > --- > View my Online Portfolio at: > > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn > > Follow me on Twitter! > > https://twitter.com/ModelCara > > On Sep 5, 2009, at 1:22 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > > > If the email contained the full text of the article I probably > wouldn't have minded so much. If a user is going through a list of > there emails and only reading the ones that interest them, assuming > there not interested in yours, its not going to take any more time to > skip over your email if the full text is included as apposed to it > not. As it stands, I see this purely as advertising for your network > since i'm going to have to visit your site just to get the full story. > > No hard feelings intended. > > On 05/09/2009, Larry Wanger wrote: >> >> I don't mind the updates from the Mac site but would rather get the >> full posting rather than just a half paragraph. I know that one >> reason >> updates come in this way is to encourage people to visit the actual >> site. But, I think its an extra and unnecessary step myself. >> >> >> >> On Sep 4, 2009, at 7:56 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: >> >>> >>> Hello; I get a lot of email daily from the several lists I'm >>> subscribed to. I don't personally have a problem with the news >>> updates as long as they are really news. I think the more important >>> question with this one is does this mean they have or plan to fix >>> the >>> regular facebook so mac users can start enjoying it again? I >>> understand the iphone is the current wave and all, but I hope that >>> doesn't mean the people at facebook have forgotten about how >>> unaccessible their site is with a mac. Let me know if you have >>> heard >>> or experienced anything different regarding this issue. Thanks, Max >>> On Sep 4, 2009, at 6:03 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: >>> Hi, I don't mean to come over as unsupportive Josh, because I'm 110% behind what you do with lioncourt and maccessibility, to the point where soon after Christmas when my schedule will have changed significantly I'd love to start contributing myself or at least figure out some way of supporting more actively. Having said all that, that wasn't the reply I expected James and Ben would get man. The kind chap who offers me very competitive deals on Viagra usually slightly less than once per day isn't of dissimilar mind when it comes to the actual principal here. It doesn't say anywhere to my knowledge that this list doubles up as a kind of newswire, so perhaps this would be a good point to have one of Cara's polls... she loves 'em! If it turns out that myself James and Ben are grouchy old men so be it, but if not then perhaps you could tweak the automation to deliver automatic posts to the most relevant list? My personal gripe here is that even when I don't pass over one of these automated posts, I only get a snippet of the
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Once again you all really do need to remember here that just because those of us here in America seem to have basically fast, free- flowing internet access, that's just not the case in all areas of the world, or even in this country. (US) There are many people whom pay based on bandwidth used. So, each additional minute they spend downloading email is more money they spend out-of-pocket. This isn't even touching on the vast audience on mobile devices… Quite simply put, this model of posting with a summary and link really is the best balance we know of, currently, to work well for everyone. Honestly, since when is it so very difficult to click on a link?… As I said, this is not some push to get traffic to the site. this is simply meant as a quick, courteous way of posting good, relevant, timely info that everyone can benefit from, in a way that they can easily work with. I hope this makes sense… Just as a side note here, you all really should know (not to put poor Josh on the spot here :) ) but Josh has really out done himself here with the Maccessibility network site, putting extreme amounts of hours / effort into it so that your user experience really can be superb. And, I for one, think he's done a fab job! So once again, might I simply ask that we consider contributing suggestions / critique in a positive way, and perhaps share suggestions with Josh and I, which you feel might actually benefit the larger user base, rather than just yourself or a small group?… We'd definitely appreciate feedback in this way. Thanks for reading and once again, do have a lovely weekend!… Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Sep 5, 2009, at 1:22 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: If the email contained the full text of the article I probably wouldn't have minded so much. If a user is going through a list of there emails and only reading the ones that interest them, assuming there not interested in yours, its not going to take any more time to skip over your email if the full text is included as apposed to it not. As it stands, I see this purely as advertising for your network since i'm going to have to visit your site just to get the full story. No hard feelings intended. On 05/09/2009, Larry Wanger wrote: > > I don't mind the updates from the Mac site but would rather get the > full posting rather than just a half paragraph. I know that one reason > updates come in this way is to encourage people to visit the actual > site. But, I think its an extra and unnecessary step myself. > > > > On Sep 4, 2009, at 7:56 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: > >> >> Hello; I get a lot of email daily from the several lists I'm >> subscribed to. I don't personally have a problem with the news >> updates as long as they are really news. I think the more important >> question with this one is does this mean they have or plan to fix the >> regular facebook so mac users can start enjoying it again? I >> understand the iphone is the current wave and all, but I hope that >> doesn't mean the people at facebook have forgotten about how >> unaccessible their site is with a mac. Let me know if you have heard >> or experienced anything different regarding this issue. Thanks, Max >> On Sep 4, 2009, at 6:03 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I don't mean to come over as unsupportive Josh, because I'm 110% >>> behind what you do with lioncourt and maccessibility, to the point >>> where soon after Christmas when my schedule will have changed >>> significantly I'd love to start contributing myself or at least >>> figure >>> out some way of supporting more actively. >>> >>> Having said all that, that wasn't the reply I expected James and Ben >>> would get man. The kind chap who offers me very competitive deals >>> on >>> Viagra usually slightly less than once per day isn't of dissimilar >>> mind when it comes to the actual principal here. It doesn't say >>> anywhere to my knowledge that this list doubles up as a kind of >>> newswire, so perhaps this would be a good point to have one of >>> Cara's >>> polls... she loves 'em! If it turns out that myself James and Ben >>> are >>> grouchy old men so be it, but if not then perhaps you could tweak >>> the >>> automation to deliver automatic posts to the most relevant list? My >>> personal gripe here is that even when I don't pass over one of these >>> automated posts, I only get a snippet of the story. As long as the >>> subject lines are well thought out, which so far they always have >>> been, I'll know whether I want to read a news story or not - having >>> to >>> load the extra page seems superfluous. >>> >>> Again, no treading on toes intended, I just think they have a point >>> where the principal is concerned here and wanted to add a bit of >>> weight. >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> On 9/4/09, Josh de Lioncourt
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There is also the concern that posting an entire article may very well violate the terms of use or copyright. I don't post entire articles since most generally have a disclaimer that clearly states no reprint, redistribution bla bla etc. and that is why I send the link only. Whether or not anyone enforces this I don't know, but some mailing lists do not allow reposting of articles either. On Sep 5, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Brett Campbell wrote: > > I'm guessing the link is to increase the hit count to the site. > > Brett > > > On Sep 5, 2009, at 6:16 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> >> Hi all, >> >> I personally agree with Anna on both points. I'm not on the viphone >> list, so appreciate that this news gets posted over here. And I >> think that since the iphone is running a version of VO, Iphone news >> is appropriate and relevant. I do also agree though that it would >> be nice if Josh could just paste the article rather than simply >> including a link to the maccessibility website. >> Best, >> Donna >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Woody Anna Dresner >> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 12:48 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application >> Updated With Accessibility Fixes >> >> >> Hi, >> >> Since the lack of accessibility of the iPhone Facebook application >> has >> been discussed frequently in the past few days, I thought this news >> posting was completely relevant. The news updates in general are >> interesting and of high quality. Keep bringing them on, I say. It >> would be nice if they included the whole article, rather than a link >> to the rest of the story, though. >> >> Best, >> Anna >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Okay All, I haven't finished reading this thread yet, but first off, just let me say there's no hijacking going on here at all. Josh and I moderate both this and the VIPhone group as well as administrate Maccessibility.net . So both these lists and the site are a part of eachother. Secondly, I suggested that we automate the list postings, as it not only saves work for us, as we'd post this info by hand anyway, but it also allows you all to receive the posts to the site in a more timely fashion. Lastly, the link is not some effort to boost traffic to the site. :) This was designed as a convenience for all of you. Some listers don't want to receive large emails with articles they don't want. So rather than having an entire article in a message, it makes more sense to post a small blurb along with a link that people can click on if they would like to read the full article. Ya know, we really are doing are best here to help keep this community well-informed as well as to make the very best group of resources available to you that we possibly can. We are honestly trying to appeal in the best way we can, to the needs of the whole so I'd really invite your understanding in regard to our efforts?… WE'd certainly welcome constructive feedback and suggestions. Please do consider being supportive of us as well, as we are for you if you would?… It would truly mean a lot. We'll continue doing the best we can to keep these lists and The Maccessibility network the very best resources for this community that they can be. Thanks for reading and do have a lovely weekend!… Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Sep 5, 2009, at 10:29 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Oh, I'm sure that's it. But I tend to agree with a friend on another list, who refers to that practice as "Hi-jacking traffic to one's list". Donna > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brett Campbell > Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 12:27 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application > Updated > With Accessibility Fixes > > > I'm guessing the link is to increase the hit count to the site. > > Brett > > > On Sep 5, 2009, at 6:16 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> >> Hi all, >> >> I personally agree with Anna on both points. I'm not on the viphone >> list, so appreciate that this news gets posted over here. And I >> think that since the iphone is running a version of VO, Iphone news >> is appropriate and relevant. I do also agree though that it would >> be nice if Josh could just paste the article rather than simply >> including a link to the maccessibility website. >> Best, >> Donna >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Woody Anna Dresner >> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 12:48 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application >> Updated With Accessibility Fixes >> >> >> Hi, >> >> Since the lack of accessibility of the iPhone Facebook application > has >> been discussed frequently in the past few days, I thought this news >> posting was completely relevant. The news updates in general are >> interesting and of high quality. Keep bringing them on, I say. It >> would be nice if they included the whole article, rather than a link >> to the rest of the story, though. >> >> Best, >> Anna >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > > >> > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.78/2347 - Release Date: > 09/05/09 05:51:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes
If the email contained the full text of the article I probably wouldn't have minded so much. If a user is going through a list of there emails and only reading the ones that interest them, assuming there not interested in yours, its not going to take any more time to skip over your email if the full text is included as apposed to it not. As it stands, I see this purely as advertising for your network since i'm going to have to visit your site just to get the full story. No hard feelings intended. On 05/09/2009, Larry Wanger wrote: > > I don't mind the updates from the Mac site but would rather get the > full posting rather than just a half paragraph. I know that one reason > updates come in this way is to encourage people to visit the actual > site. But, I think its an extra and unnecessary step myself. > > > > On Sep 4, 2009, at 7:56 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: > >> >> Hello; I get a lot of email daily from the several lists I'm >> subscribed to. I don't personally have a problem with the news >> updates as long as they are really news. I think the more important >> question with this one is does this mean they have or plan to fix the >> regular facebook so mac users can start enjoying it again? I >> understand the iphone is the current wave and all, but I hope that >> doesn't mean the people at facebook have forgotten about how >> unaccessible their site is with a mac. Let me know if you have heard >> or experienced anything different regarding this issue. Thanks, Max >> On Sep 4, 2009, at 6:03 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I don't mean to come over as unsupportive Josh, because I'm 110% >>> behind what you do with lioncourt and maccessibility, to the point >>> where soon after Christmas when my schedule will have changed >>> significantly I'd love to start contributing myself or at least >>> figure >>> out some way of supporting more actively. >>> >>> Having said all that, that wasn't the reply I expected James and Ben >>> would get man. The kind chap who offers me very competitive deals on >>> Viagra usually slightly less than once per day isn't of dissimilar >>> mind when it comes to the actual principal here. It doesn't say >>> anywhere to my knowledge that this list doubles up as a kind of >>> newswire, so perhaps this would be a good point to have one of Cara's >>> polls... she loves 'em! If it turns out that myself James and Ben >>> are >>> grouchy old men so be it, but if not then perhaps you could tweak the >>> automation to deliver automatic posts to the most relevant list? My >>> personal gripe here is that even when I don't pass over one of these >>> automated posts, I only get a snippet of the story. As long as the >>> subject lines are well thought out, which so far they always have >>> been, I'll know whether I want to read a news story or not - having >>> to >>> load the extra page seems superfluous. >>> >>> Again, no treading on toes intended, I just think they have a point >>> where the principal is concerned here and wanted to add a bit of >>> weight. >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> On 9/4/09, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: iPhone discussion has always been welcome here. :) The other list is more strictly focused on the iPhone, but we would have to also ban iPod, Airport Express/Extreme, and all sorts of other things from this list if we banned iPhone discussion. After all, the iPhone is used in conjunction with your computer, one of those computer types is the Mac. Cara and I discussed posting the news updates to this list. They have pretty much always been posted by someone, usually me, manually. We've automated the process to give ourselves a little less work. Since the updates average less than a message a day, we feel they are of use to more people than to whom they are an irritation. You can also filter those messages, if you wish, using your mail client's message rules. On Sep 4, 2009, at 12:02 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > > Why am I getting these? When the 3gs first came out, I seem to > remember that Cara was quite adamant that discussion of it on the > mv > list was off topic so she created a new list for it. Surely, things > like this would fit in better on the other list? > > Sorry if I spelt your name wrong btw Cara. > > On 04/09/2009, Maccessibility wrote: >> >> FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes >> >> The FaceBook.com iPhone application has been updated to version >> 3.02. The >> update focuses on VoiceOver compatibility, and accessibility >> fixes. >> The >> rapidity >> with which the developer has addressed the accessibility issues is >> extraordinary, and we applaud FaceBook for this response. >> The application is exceptionally usable now, with only a couple of >> unlabeled >> controls which can be
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes
I don't mind the updates from the Mac site but would rather get the full posting rather than just a half paragraph. I know that one reason updates come in this way is to encourage people to visit the actual site. But, I think its an extra and unnecessary step myself. On Sep 4, 2009, at 7:56 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: > > Hello; I get a lot of email daily from the several lists I'm > subscribed to. I don't personally have a problem with the news > updates as long as they are really news. I think the more important > question with this one is does this mean they have or plan to fix the > regular facebook so mac users can start enjoying it again? I > understand the iphone is the current wave and all, but I hope that > doesn't mean the people at facebook have forgotten about how > unaccessible their site is with a mac. Let me know if you have heard > or experienced anything different regarding this issue. Thanks, Max > On Sep 4, 2009, at 6:03 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> I don't mean to come over as unsupportive Josh, because I'm 110% >> behind what you do with lioncourt and maccessibility, to the point >> where soon after Christmas when my schedule will have changed >> significantly I'd love to start contributing myself or at least >> figure >> out some way of supporting more actively. >> >> Having said all that, that wasn't the reply I expected James and Ben >> would get man. The kind chap who offers me very competitive deals on >> Viagra usually slightly less than once per day isn't of dissimilar >> mind when it comes to the actual principal here. It doesn't say >> anywhere to my knowledge that this list doubles up as a kind of >> newswire, so perhaps this would be a good point to have one of Cara's >> polls... she loves 'em! If it turns out that myself James and Ben >> are >> grouchy old men so be it, but if not then perhaps you could tweak the >> automation to deliver automatic posts to the most relevant list? My >> personal gripe here is that even when I don't pass over one of these >> automated posts, I only get a snippet of the story. As long as the >> subject lines are well thought out, which so far they always have >> been, I'll know whether I want to read a news story or not - having >> to >> load the extra page seems superfluous. >> >> Again, no treading on toes intended, I just think they have a point >> where the principal is concerned here and wanted to add a bit of >> weight. >> >> Scott >> >> On 9/4/09, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: >>> >>> >>> iPhone discussion has always been welcome here. :) The other list is >>> more strictly focused on the iPhone, but we would have to also ban >>> iPod, Airport Express/Extreme, and all sorts of other things from >>> this >>> list if we banned iPhone discussion. After all, the iPhone is used >>> in >>> conjunction with your computer, one of those computer types is the >>> Mac. >>> >>> Cara and I discussed posting the news updates to this list. They >>> have >>> pretty much always been posted by someone, usually me, manually. >>> We've >>> automated the process to give ourselves a little less work. Since >>> the >>> updates average less than a message a day, we feel they are of use >>> to >>> more people than to whom they are an irritation. >>> >>> You can also filter those messages, if you wish, using your mail >>> client's message rules. >>> >>> On Sep 4, 2009, at 12:02 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >>> Why am I getting these? When the 3gs first came out, I seem to remember that Cara was quite adamant that discussion of it on the mv list was off topic so she created a new list for it. Surely, things like this would fit in better on the other list? Sorry if I spelt your name wrong btw Cara. On 04/09/2009, Maccessibility wrote: > > FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes > > The FaceBook.com iPhone application has been updated to version > 3.02. The > update focuses on VoiceOver compatibility, and accessibility > fixes. > The > rapidity > with which the developer has addressed the accessibility issues is > extraordinary, and we applaud FaceBook for this response. > The application is exceptionally usable now, with only a couple of > unlabeled > controls which can be quickly [...] > > You can read the rest of this news item at: > http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/09/04/facebook-iphone-application-updated-with-accessibility-fixes/ > > The Mac-cessibility Network > "...it's all within our reach..." > http://maccessibility.net > > >> > -- Kind regards, BEN. email: bmustillr...@gmail.com msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) > >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subs
RE: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes
But Chris! Your BS is highly entertaining! *grin* Donna > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hofstader > Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 1:11 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated > With Accessibility Fixes > > > I think Josh provides an excellent service and I can click on a link > now and then to get to it. I don't count clicks on my blog but almost > always post a link instead of the article so I don't invade people's > mailboxes with a few thousand words of my bs. > > cdh > On Sep 5, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Brett Campbell wrote: > > > > > I'm guessing the link is to increase the hit count to the site. > > > > Brett > > > > > > On Sep 5, 2009, at 6:16 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > > > >> > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I personally agree with Anna on both points. I'm not on the viphone > >> list, so appreciate that this news gets posted over here. And I > >> think that since the iphone is running a version of VO, Iphone news > >> is appropriate and relevant. I do also agree though that it would > >> be nice if Josh could just paste the article rather than simply > >> including a link to the maccessibility website. > >> Best, > >> Donna > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Woody Anna Dresner > >> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 12:48 AM > >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > >> Subject: Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application > >> Updated With Accessibility Fixes > >> > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> Since the lack of accessibility of the iPhone Facebook application > >> has > >> been discussed frequently in the past few days, I thought this news > >> posting was completely relevant. The news updates in general are > >> interesting and of high quality. Keep bringing them on, I say. It > >> would be nice if they included the whole article, rather than a link > >> to the rest of the story, though. > >> > >> Best, > >> Anna > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.78/2347 - Release Date: > 09/05/09 05:51:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes
Oh, I'm sure that's it. But I tend to agree with a friend on another list, who refers to that practice as "Hi-jacking traffic to one's list". Donna > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brett Campbell > Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 12:27 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated > With Accessibility Fixes > > > I'm guessing the link is to increase the hit count to the site. > > Brett > > > On Sep 5, 2009, at 6:16 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I personally agree with Anna on both points. I'm not on the viphone > > list, so appreciate that this news gets posted over here. And I > > think that since the iphone is running a version of VO, Iphone news > > is appropriate and relevant. I do also agree though that it would > > be nice if Josh could just paste the article rather than simply > > including a link to the maccessibility website. > > Best, > > Donna > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Woody Anna Dresner > > Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 12:48 AM > > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application > > Updated With Accessibility Fixes > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Since the lack of accessibility of the iPhone Facebook application > has > > been discussed frequently in the past few days, I thought this news > > posting was completely relevant. The news updates in general are > > interesting and of high quality. Keep bringing them on, I say. It > > would be nice if they included the whole article, rather than a link > > to the rest of the story, though. > > > > Best, > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.78/2347 - Release Date: > 09/05/09 05:51:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes
I think Josh provides an excellent service and I can click on a link now and then to get to it. I don't count clicks on my blog but almost always post a link instead of the article so I don't invade people's mailboxes with a few thousand words of my bs. cdh On Sep 5, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Brett Campbell wrote: > > I'm guessing the link is to increase the hit count to the site. > > Brett > > > On Sep 5, 2009, at 6:16 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> >> Hi all, >> >> I personally agree with Anna on both points. I'm not on the viphone >> list, so appreciate that this news gets posted over here. And I >> think that since the iphone is running a version of VO, Iphone news >> is appropriate and relevant. I do also agree though that it would >> be nice if Josh could just paste the article rather than simply >> including a link to the maccessibility website. >> Best, >> Donna >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Woody Anna Dresner >> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 12:48 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application >> Updated With Accessibility Fixes >> >> >> Hi, >> >> Since the lack of accessibility of the iPhone Facebook application >> has >> been discussed frequently in the past few days, I thought this news >> posting was completely relevant. The news updates in general are >> interesting and of high quality. Keep bringing them on, I say. It >> would be nice if they included the whole article, rather than a link >> to the rest of the story, though. >> >> Best, >> Anna >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes
I'm guessing the link is to increase the hit count to the site. Brett On Sep 5, 2009, at 6:16 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > > Hi all, > > I personally agree with Anna on both points. I'm not on the viphone > list, so appreciate that this news gets posted over here. And I > think that since the iphone is running a version of VO, Iphone news > is appropriate and relevant. I do also agree though that it would > be nice if Josh could just paste the article rather than simply > including a link to the maccessibility website. > Best, > Donna > > -Original Message- > From: Woody Anna Dresner > Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 12:48 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application > Updated With Accessibility Fixes > > > Hi, > > Since the lack of accessibility of the iPhone Facebook application has > been discussed frequently in the past few days, I thought this news > posting was completely relevant. The news updates in general are > interesting and of high quality. Keep bringing them on, I say. It > would be nice if they included the whole article, rather than a link > to the rest of the story, though. > > Best, > Anna > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes
Hi all, I personally agree with Anna on both points. I'm not on the viphone list, so appreciate that this news gets posted over here. And I think that since the iphone is running a version of VO, Iphone news is appropriate and relevant. I do also agree though that it would be nice if Josh could just paste the article rather than simply including a link to the maccessibility website. Best, Donna -Original Message- From: Woody Anna Dresner Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 12:48 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes Hi, Since the lack of accessibility of the iPhone Facebook application has been discussed frequently in the past few days, I thought this news posting was completely relevant. The news updates in general are interesting and of high quality. Keep bringing them on, I say. It would be nice if they included the whole article, rather than a link to the rest of the story, though. Best, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes
Hi, Since the lack of accessibility of the iPhone Facebook application has been discussed frequently in the past few days, I thought this news posting was completely relevant. The news updates in general are interesting and of high quality. Keep bringing them on, I say. It would be nice if they included the whole article, rather than a link to the rest of the story, though. Best, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes
Hello; I get a lot of email daily from the several lists I'm subscribed to. I don't personally have a problem with the news updates as long as they are really news. I think the more important question with this one is does this mean they have or plan to fix the regular facebook so mac users can start enjoying it again? I understand the iphone is the current wave and all, but I hope that doesn't mean the people at facebook have forgotten about how unaccessible their site is with a mac. Let me know if you have heard or experienced anything different regarding this issue. Thanks, Max On Sep 4, 2009, at 6:03 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: > > Hi, > > I don't mean to come over as unsupportive Josh, because I'm 110% > behind what you do with lioncourt and maccessibility, to the point > where soon after Christmas when my schedule will have changed > significantly I'd love to start contributing myself or at least figure > out some way of supporting more actively. > > Having said all that, that wasn't the reply I expected James and Ben > would get man. The kind chap who offers me very competitive deals on > Viagra usually slightly less than once per day isn't of dissimilar > mind when it comes to the actual principal here. It doesn't say > anywhere to my knowledge that this list doubles up as a kind of > newswire, so perhaps this would be a good point to have one of Cara's > polls... she loves 'em! If it turns out that myself James and Ben are > grouchy old men so be it, but if not then perhaps you could tweak the > automation to deliver automatic posts to the most relevant list? My > personal gripe here is that even when I don't pass over one of these > automated posts, I only get a snippet of the story. As long as the > subject lines are well thought out, which so far they always have > been, I'll know whether I want to read a news story or not - having to > load the extra page seems superfluous. > > Again, no treading on toes intended, I just think they have a point > where the principal is concerned here and wanted to add a bit of > weight. > > Scott > > On 9/4/09, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: >> >> >> iPhone discussion has always been welcome here. :) The other list is >> more strictly focused on the iPhone, but we would have to also ban >> iPod, Airport Express/Extreme, and all sorts of other things from >> this >> list if we banned iPhone discussion. After all, the iPhone is used in >> conjunction with your computer, one of those computer types is the >> Mac. >> >> Cara and I discussed posting the news updates to this list. They have >> pretty much always been posted by someone, usually me, manually. >> We've >> automated the process to give ourselves a little less work. Since the >> updates average less than a message a day, we feel they are of use to >> more people than to whom they are an irritation. >> >> You can also filter those messages, if you wish, using your mail >> client's message rules. >> >> On Sep 4, 2009, at 12:02 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >> >>> >>> Why am I getting these? When the 3gs first came out, I seem to >>> remember that Cara was quite adamant that discussion of it on the mv >>> list was off topic so she created a new list for it. Surely, things >>> like this would fit in better on the other list? >>> >>> Sorry if I spelt your name wrong btw Cara. >>> >>> On 04/09/2009, Maccessibility wrote: FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes The FaceBook.com iPhone application has been updated to version 3.02. The update focuses on VoiceOver compatibility, and accessibility fixes. The rapidity with which the developer has addressed the accessibility issues is extraordinary, and we applaud FaceBook for this response. The application is exceptionally usable now, with only a couple of unlabeled controls which can be quickly [...] You can read the rest of this news item at: http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/09/04/facebook-iphone-application-updated-with-accessibility-fixes/ The Mac-cessibility Network "...it's all within our reach..." http://maccessibility.net > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Kind regards, BEN. >>> >>> email: bmustillr...@gmail.com >>> msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com >>> web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) >>> >> >> >>> >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes
Hi, I don't mean to come over as unsupportive Josh, because I'm 110% behind what you do with lioncourt and maccessibility, to the point where soon after Christmas when my schedule will have changed significantly I'd love to start contributing myself or at least figure out some way of supporting more actively. Having said all that, that wasn't the reply I expected James and Ben would get man. The kind chap who offers me very competitive deals on Viagra usually slightly less than once per day isn't of dissimilar mind when it comes to the actual principal here. It doesn't say anywhere to my knowledge that this list doubles up as a kind of newswire, so perhaps this would be a good point to have one of Cara's polls... she loves 'em! If it turns out that myself James and Ben are grouchy old men so be it, but if not then perhaps you could tweak the automation to deliver automatic posts to the most relevant list? My personal gripe here is that even when I don't pass over one of these automated posts, I only get a snippet of the story. As long as the subject lines are well thought out, which so far they always have been, I'll know whether I want to read a news story or not - having to load the extra page seems superfluous. Again, no treading on toes intended, I just think they have a point where the principal is concerned here and wanted to add a bit of weight. Scott On 9/4/09, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > > > iPhone discussion has always been welcome here. :) The other list is > more strictly focused on the iPhone, but we would have to also ban > iPod, Airport Express/Extreme, and all sorts of other things from this > list if we banned iPhone discussion. After all, the iPhone is used in > conjunction with your computer, one of those computer types is the Mac. > > Cara and I discussed posting the news updates to this list. They have > pretty much always been posted by someone, usually me, manually. We've > automated the process to give ourselves a little less work. Since the > updates average less than a message a day, we feel they are of use to > more people than to whom they are an irritation. > > You can also filter those messages, if you wish, using your mail > client's message rules. > > On Sep 4, 2009, at 12:02 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > >> >> Why am I getting these? When the 3gs first came out, I seem to >> remember that Cara was quite adamant that discussion of it on the mv >> list was off topic so she created a new list for it. Surely, things >> like this would fit in better on the other list? >> >> Sorry if I spelt your name wrong btw Cara. >> >> On 04/09/2009, Maccessibility wrote: >>> >>> FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes >>> >>> The FaceBook.com iPhone application has been updated to version >>> 3.02. The >>> update focuses on VoiceOver compatibility, and accessibility fixes. >>> The >>> rapidity >>> with which the developer has addressed the accessibility issues is >>> extraordinary, and we applaud FaceBook for this response. >>> The application is exceptionally usable now, with only a couple of >>> unlabeled >>> controls which can be quickly [...] >>> >>> You can read the rest of this news item at: >>> http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/09/04/facebook-iphone-application-updated-with-accessibility-fixes/ >>> >>> The Mac-cessibility Network >>> "...it's all within our reach..." >>> http://maccessibility.net >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kind regards, BEN. >> >> email: bmustillr...@gmail.com >> msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com >> web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) >> >> > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes
iPhone discussion has always been welcome here. :) The other list is more strictly focused on the iPhone, but we would have to also ban iPod, Airport Express/Extreme, and all sorts of other things from this list if we banned iPhone discussion. After all, the iPhone is used in conjunction with your computer, one of those computer types is the Mac. Cara and I discussed posting the news updates to this list. They have pretty much always been posted by someone, usually me, manually. We've automated the process to give ourselves a little less work. Since the updates average less than a message a day, we feel they are of use to more people than to whom they are an irritation. You can also filter those messages, if you wish, using your mail client's message rules. On Sep 4, 2009, at 12:02 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > > Why am I getting these? When the 3gs first came out, I seem to > remember that Cara was quite adamant that discussion of it on the mv > list was off topic so she created a new list for it. Surely, things > like this would fit in better on the other list? > > Sorry if I spelt your name wrong btw Cara. > > On 04/09/2009, Maccessibility wrote: >> >> FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes >> >> The FaceBook.com iPhone application has been updated to version >> 3.02. The >> update focuses on VoiceOver compatibility, and accessibility fixes. >> The >> rapidity >> with which the developer has addressed the accessibility issues is >> extraordinary, and we applaud FaceBook for this response. >> The application is exceptionally usable now, with only a couple of >> unlabeled >> controls which can be quickly [...] >> >> You can read the rest of this news item at: >> http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/09/04/facebook-iphone-application-updated-with-accessibility-fixes/ >> >> The Mac-cessibility Network >> "...it's all within our reach..." >> http://maccessibility.net >> >> >>> >> > > > -- > Kind regards, BEN. > > email: bmustillr...@gmail.com > msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com > web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes
I'm with Ben here. I don't really appreciate receiving Maccessibility updates. Is there not a list I can subscribe to if I want to receive them? Not only that, but they are snippets with a link to the full story. I request that these not be sent to macvisionaries. On 9/4/09, ben mustill-rose wrote: > > Why am I getting these? When the 3gs first came out, I seem to > remember that Cara was quite adamant that discussion of it on the mv > list was off topic so she created a new list for it. Surely, things > like this would fit in better on the other list? > > Sorry if I spelt your name wrong btw Cara. > > On 04/09/2009, Maccessibility wrote: >> >> FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes >> >> The FaceBook.com iPhone application has been updated to version 3.02. The >> update focuses on VoiceOver compatibility, and accessibility fixes. The >> rapidity >> with which the developer has addressed the accessibility issues is >> extraordinary, and we applaud FaceBook for this response. >> The application is exceptionally usable now, with only a couple of >> unlabeled >> controls which can be quickly [...] >> >> You can read the rest of this news item at: >> http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/09/04/facebook-iphone-application-updated-with-accessibility-fixes/ >> >> The Mac-cessibility Network >> "...it's all within our reach..." >> http://maccessibility.net >> >> >> > >> > > > -- > Kind regards, BEN. > > email: bmustillr...@gmail.com > msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com > web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes
Why am I getting these? When the 3gs first came out, I seem to remember that Cara was quite adamant that discussion of it on the mv list was off topic so she created a new list for it. Surely, things like this would fit in better on the other list? Sorry if I spelt your name wrong btw Cara. On 04/09/2009, Maccessibility wrote: > > FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes > > The FaceBook.com iPhone application has been updated to version 3.02. The > update focuses on VoiceOver compatibility, and accessibility fixes. The > rapidity > with which the developer has addressed the accessibility issues is > extraordinary, and we applaud FaceBook for this response. > The application is exceptionally usable now, with only a couple of unlabeled > controls which can be quickly [...] > > You can read the rest of this news item at: > http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/09/04/facebook-iphone-application-updated-with-accessibility-fixes/ > > The Mac-cessibility Network > "...it's all within our reach..." > http://maccessibility.net > > > > > -- Kind regards, BEN. email: bmustillr...@gmail.com msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes
FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes The FaceBook.com iPhone application has been updated to version 3.02. The update focuses on VoiceOver compatibility, and accessibility fixes. The rapidity with which the developer has addressed the accessibility issues is extraordinary, and we applaud FaceBook for this response. The application is exceptionally usable now, with only a couple of unlabeled controls which can be quickly [...] You can read the rest of this news item at: http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/09/04/facebook-iphone-application-updated-with-accessibility-fixes/ The Mac-cessibility Network "...it's all within our reach..." http://maccessibility.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
