Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

['Alex Hall' via MacVisionaries]

Christine, you may have said earlier, so forgive the repeat. What's the status 
of your hard drive? Specifically, how full is it? If you open Activity Monitor, 
how much ram is in use?

In Activity Monitor, interact with the toolbar, then with the tab view radio 
group. Choose the memory tab, stop interacting twice, and vo-right to the 
table. The processes here should be sorted by highest memory usage, so look at 
what the top ones are. If you vo-right past the table, you can find the total 
ram, used ram, swap details, and other information that may shed light on the 
problem. Thinking back, I seem to recall some similar problems on my 2012 Air 
when its drive got really full, but I may be mis-remembering that.

--
Alex Hall




> On Aug 15, 2018, at 07:04, Christine Grassman  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Hi, Tim. Yes, I do have a “guest account” on my MacBook. Initially, there 
>> was no issue. However, after a while, the problem cropped up again, although 
>> not to the same bothersome extent. I mustsay, however, that if I could get 
>> it to the less bothersome level, I could live with it. Why would this make 
>> such a difference?
> Christine
> 
>> On Aug 15, 2018, at 6:50 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I believe that it was mentioned earlier, but, the best way to determine 
>> what's going on here, would be to create a new account on your Mac.  If this 
>> new account has the same issues with Safari, then it is something to do with 
>> the processing pwer of your Mac, otherwise, if things seem to work fine in 
>> this new account, then there's a conflict of sorts in the existing account.  
>> This is much faster and easier than a total clean install and will give you 
>> a good answer.  To create a new user, go into System Preferences, Users & 
>> Groups, unlock the lock, then press on the Add user button.  Once the user 
>> has been created, logout of the current user, log into the new one, then try 
>> Safari.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Aug 15, 2018, at 06:03, Christine Grassman > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> I do not hae any issues on iOS devices either, but I am not a touch-screen 
>>> only fan, and Iprefer a keyboard for task-heavy items, and have no patience 
>>> for dealing with extra components like external keyboards.
>> Christine 
>> 
>>> On Aug 14, 2018, at 7:49 PM, David Chittenden >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, this is one of the reasons I decided to upgrade to the latest Windows 
>>> machine rather than a new Mac.
>>> 
>>> However, my primary reason is: Apple refuses to upgrade the Mac to 
>>> touchscreen, and Windows Narrator is now quite useable. It is the only 
>>> screen reader I am currently using on my new machine.
>>> 
>>> All that said, my primary devices are my iPhone X and my iPad Pro 10.5. 
>>> And, I will most likely switch back to Mac if Apple ever makes it a 
>>> touchscreen device.
>>> 
>>> Oh, and no busy busy problems on my iOS devices.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 14 Aug 2018, at 23:11, Christine Grassman >>> > wrote:
 
 It happens with Google Chrome as well, and it freezes completely and does 
 not allow me to do a thing, no matter what I press. It’ll say “VoiceOver 
 off,” but not “VoiceOver on,” and it will be silent for a long time, or 
 say “busy,” no matter what I press, though I can almost always get out and 
 can do something with another application. But as soon as I go back to the 
 web, it freezes until it is good and ready. Sometimes, this will happen in 
 Mail: busy, freeze, click, and “VoiceOver on”. 
 
> On Aug 14, 2018, at 1:18 AM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Try navigating up from the bottom of the page or searching for something 
> specific in the web page.  Also try using Google Chrome rather than 
> Safari.
> Marshall
> 
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Christine Grassman > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Could you be more specific about “navigating around the problem area”? 
>>> Everything freezes, and I have to wait for a few seconds up to a couple 
>>> of minutes before I hear a click and “VoiceOver on,” . . . and then if 
>>> I attempt again the task I was attempting, again, and again, and again, 
>>> ad nauseam.
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate aroun

Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

[gerrycook]

Hi everyone well upon going to the library i found the cashes folder but,  just 
above that,  was cash delete.  I’m running the latest version of hi sierra,  
wonder if there’s something new their? to fix up the web browser problem that 
you’ve had. 
cheers gerry have a nice day
Email: gerryc...@optusnet.com.au
Skype: gerry.cook1 
Twitter: @gerrycook52

> On 15 Aug 2018, at 12:55 am, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I believe you can get some ad blockers for web pages. Doesn’t always work but 
> worth when it does.
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 10:22 PM, Christine Grassman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> When it happened infrequently, once a day or less, it was fine, especially 
>>> when little things like waiting a few seconds or toggling VO worked. Now it 
>>> literally happens virtually every time I use a browser to do anything of 
>>> significance.
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 10:15 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have noticed that a lot of this happens on web sites that insist on 
>>> putting a bunch of frames of advertisements on them, on those sites, safari 
>>> is worse than chrome, but yes, it is very annoying when it happens.
>>> 
 On Aug 13, 2018, at 4:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem 
 area.  I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can 
 think of is for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility 
 every time it happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable 
 consequences in terms of support.
 Marshall
 
 
> On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
> 
> I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
> utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what 
> web browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what 
> I do, whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read through 
> headings or other information, busy becomes a monster and is costing 
> literally taking hours out of my days to complete the simplest tasks to 
> more involved ones.
> Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
> Genius Bar might accomplish?
> Christine
> 
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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

[Christine Grassman]

> Hi, Tim. Yes, I do have a “guest account” on my MacBook. Initially, there was 
> no issue. However, after a while, the problem cropped up again, although not 
> to the same bothersome extent. I mustsay, however, that if I could get it to 
> the less bothersome level, I could live with it. Why would this make such a 
> difference?
Christine

> On Aug 15, 2018, at 6:50 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I believe that it was mentioned earlier, but, the best way to determine 
> what's going on here, would be to create a new account on your Mac.  If this 
> new account has the same issues with Safari, then it is something to do with 
> the processing pwer of your Mac, otherwise, if things seem to work fine in 
> this new account, then there's a conflict of sorts in the existing account.  
> This is much faster and easier than a total clean install and will give you a 
> good answer.  To create a new user, go into System Preferences, Users & 
> Groups, unlock the lock, then press on the Add user button.  Once the user 
> has been created, logout of the current user, log into the new one, then try 
> Safari.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Aug 15, 2018, at 06:03, Christine Grassman  > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> I do not hae any issues on iOS devices either, but I am not a touch-screen 
>> only fan, and Iprefer a keyboard for task-heavy items, and have no patience 
>> for dealing with extra components like external keyboards.
> Christine 
> 
>> On Aug 14, 2018, at 7:49 PM, David Chittenden > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, this is one of the reasons I decided to upgrade to the latest Windows 
>> machine rather than a new Mac.
>> 
>> However, my primary reason is: Apple refuses to upgrade the Mac to 
>> touchscreen, and Windows Narrator is now quite useable. It is the only 
>> screen reader I am currently using on my new machine.
>> 
>> All that said, my primary devices are my iPhone X and my iPad Pro 10.5. And, 
>> I will most likely switch back to Mac if Apple ever makes it a touchscreen 
>> device.
>> 
>> Oh, and no busy busy problems on my iOS devices.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 14 Aug 2018, at 23:11, Christine Grassman  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It happens with Google Chrome as well, and it freezes completely and does 
>>> not allow me to do a thing, no matter what I press. It’ll say “VoiceOver 
>>> off,” but not “VoiceOver on,” and it will be silent for a long time, or say 
>>> “busy,” no matter what I press, though I can almost always get out and can 
>>> do something with another application. But as soon as I go back to the web, 
>>> it freezes until it is good and ready. Sometimes, this will happen in Mail: 
>>> busy, freeze, click, and “VoiceOver on”. 
>>> 
 On Aug 14, 2018, at 1:18 AM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Try navigating up from the bottom of the page or searching for something 
 specific in the web page.  Also try using Google Chrome rather than Safari.
 Marshall
 
 
> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Could you be more specific about “navigating around the problem area”? 
>> Everything freezes, and I have to wait for a few seconds up to a couple 
>> of minutes before I hear a click and “VoiceOver on,” . . . and then if I 
>> attempt again the task I was attempting, again, and again, and again, ad 
>> nauseam.
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem 
>> area.  I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can 
>> think of is for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility 
>> every time it happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable 
>> consequences in terms of support.
>> Marshall
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
>>> utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what 
>>> web browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter 
>>> what I do, whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read 
>>> through headings or other information, busy becomes a monster and is 
>>> costing literally taking hours out of my days to complete the simplest 
>>> tasks to more involved ones.
>>> Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
>>> Genius Bar might accomplish?
>>> Christine
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> The following information is im

Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I believe that it was mentioned earlier, but, the best way to determine what's 
going on here, would be to create a new account on your Mac.  If this new 
account has the same issues with Safari, then it is something to do with the 
processing pwer of your Mac, otherwise, if things seem to work fine in this new 
account, then there's a conflict of sorts in the existing account.  This is 
much faster and easier than a total clean install and will give you a good 
answer.  To create a new user, go into System Preferences, Users & Groups, 
unlock the lock, then press on the Add user button.  Once the user has been 
created, logout of the current user, log into the new one, then try Safari.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 15, 2018, at 06:03, Christine Grassman  wrote:



> I do not hae any issues on iOS devices either, but I am not a touch-screen 
> only fan, and Iprefer a keyboard for task-heavy items, and have no patience 
> for dealing with extra components like external keyboards.
Christine 

> On Aug 14, 2018, at 7:49 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Yes, this is one of the reasons I decided to upgrade to the latest Windows 
> machine rather than a new Mac.
> 
> However, my primary reason is: Apple refuses to upgrade the Mac to 
> touchscreen, and Windows Narrator is now quite useable. It is the only screen 
> reader I am currently using on my new machine.
> 
> All that said, my primary devices are my iPhone X and my iPad Pro 10.5. And, 
> I will most likely switch back to Mac if Apple ever makes it a touchscreen 
> device.
> 
> Oh, and no busy busy problems on my iOS devices.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 14 Aug 2018, at 23:11, Christine Grassman  wrote:
>> 
>> It happens with Google Chrome as well, and it freezes completely and does 
>> not allow me to do a thing, no matter what I press. It’ll say “VoiceOver 
>> off,” but not “VoiceOver on,” and it will be silent for a long time, or say 
>> “busy,” no matter what I press, though I can almost always get out and can 
>> do something with another application. But as soon as I go back to the web, 
>> it freezes until it is good and ready. Sometimes, this will happen in Mail: 
>> busy, freeze, click, and “VoiceOver on”. 
>> 
>>> On Aug 14, 2018, at 1:18 AM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try navigating up from the bottom of the page or searching for something 
>>> specific in the web page.  Also try using Google Chrome rather than Safari.
>>> Marshall
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Christine Grassman  
 wrote:
 
 
 
> Could you be more specific about “navigating around the problem area”? 
> Everything freezes, and I have to wait for a few seconds up to a couple 
> of minutes before I hear a click and “VoiceOver on,” . . . and then if I 
> attempt again the task I was attempting, again, and again, and again, ad 
> nauseam.
 
> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem 
> area.  I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can 
> think of is for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility 
> every time it happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable 
> consequences in terms of support.
> Marshall
> 
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
>> utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what 
>> web browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what 
>> I do, whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read 
>> through headings or other information, busy becomes a monster and is 
>> costing literally taking hours out of my days to complete the simplest 
>> tasks to more involved ones.
>> Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
>> Genius Bar might accomplish?
>> Christine
>> 
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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

[Christine Grassman]

> I do not hae any issues on iOS devices either, but I am not a touch-screen 
> only fan, and Iprefer a keyboard for task-heavy items, and have no patience 
> for dealing with extra components like external keyboards.
Christine 

> On Aug 14, 2018, at 7:49 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Yes, this is one of the reasons I decided to upgrade to the latest Windows 
> machine rather than a new Mac.
> 
> However, my primary reason is: Apple refuses to upgrade the Mac to 
> touchscreen, and Windows Narrator is now quite useable. It is the only screen 
> reader I am currently using on my new machine.
> 
> All that said, my primary devices are my iPhone X and my iPad Pro 10.5. And, 
> I will most likely switch back to Mac if Apple ever makes it a touchscreen 
> device.
> 
> Oh, and no busy busy problems on my iOS devices.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 14 Aug 2018, at 23:11, Christine Grassman  wrote:
>> 
>> It happens with Google Chrome as well, and it freezes completely and does 
>> not allow me to do a thing, no matter what I press. It’ll say “VoiceOver 
>> off,” but not “VoiceOver on,” and it will be silent for a long time, or say 
>> “busy,” no matter what I press, though I can almost always get out and can 
>> do something with another application. But as soon as I go back to the web, 
>> it freezes until it is good and ready. Sometimes, this will happen in Mail: 
>> busy, freeze, click, and “VoiceOver on”. 
>> 
>>> On Aug 14, 2018, at 1:18 AM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try navigating up from the bottom of the page or searching for something 
>>> specific in the web page.  Also try using Google Chrome rather than Safari.
>>> Marshall
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Christine Grassman  
 wrote:
 
 
 
> Could you be more specific about “navigating around the problem area”? 
> Everything freezes, and I have to wait for a few seconds up to a couple 
> of minutes before I hear a click and “VoiceOver on,” . . . and then if I 
> attempt again the task I was attempting, again, and again, and again, ad 
> nauseam.
 
> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem 
> area.  I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can 
> think of is for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility 
> every time it happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable 
> consequences in terms of support.
> Marshall
> 
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
>> utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what 
>> web browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what 
>> I do, whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read 
>> through headings or other information, busy becomes a monster and is 
>> costing literally taking hours out of my days to complete the simplest 
>> tasks to more involved ones.
>> Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
>> Genius Bar might accomplish?
>> Christine
>> 
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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

[David Chittenden]

Yes, this is one of the reasons I decided to upgrade to the latest Windows 
machine rather than a new Mac.

However, my primary reason is: Apple refuses to upgrade the Mac to touchscreen, 
and Windows Narrator is now quite useable. It is the only screen reader I am 
currently using on my new machine.

All that said, my primary devices are my iPhone X and my iPad Pro 10.5. And, I 
will most likely switch back to Mac if Apple ever makes it a touchscreen device.

Oh, and no busy busy problems on my iOS devices.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

> On 14 Aug 2018, at 23:11, Christine Grassman  wrote:
> 
> It happens with Google Chrome as well, and it freezes completely and does not 
> allow me to do a thing, no matter what I press. It’ll say “VoiceOver off,” 
> but not “VoiceOver on,” and it will be silent for a long time, or say “busy,” 
> no matter what I press, though I can almost always get out and can do 
> something with another application. But as soon as I go back to the web, it 
> freezes until it is good and ready. Sometimes, this will happen in Mail: 
> busy, freeze, click, and “VoiceOver on”. 
> 
>> On Aug 14, 2018, at 1:18 AM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Try navigating up from the bottom of the page or searching for something 
>> specific in the web page.  Also try using Google Chrome rather than Safari.
>> Marshall
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Christine Grassman  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 Could you be more specific about “navigating around the problem area”? 
 Everything freezes, and I have to wait for a few seconds up to a couple of 
 minutes before I hear a click and “VoiceOver on,” . . . and then if I 
 attempt again the task I was attempting, again, and again, and again, ad 
 nauseam.
>>> 
 On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem 
 area.  I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can 
 think of is for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility 
 every time it happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable 
 consequences in terms of support.
 Marshall
 
 
> On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
> 
> I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
> utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what 
> web browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what 
> I do, whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read through 
> headings or other information, busy becomes a monster and is costing 
> literally taking hours out of my days to complete the simplest tasks to 
> more involved ones.
> Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
> Genius Bar might accomplish?
> Christine
> 
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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
You may try to change it to see if that helps.
Not sure it does though.
/A

> 14 aug. 2018 kl. 15:05 skrev Christine Grassman :
> 
> Thank you; I do have it set to act this way already.
> Christine
> 
> 
>> On Aug 14, 2018, at 7:27 AM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Can this maybe help.
>> If you open vo utilities and go to the category web and change how Voiceover 
>> is handling the web.
>> THere is something there called navigate web pages with and here we have 2 
>> radiobuttons which are dom or group by object or something like that.
>> I use a swedish version and its hard to translate but something like that.
>> I have mine set to dom order wich seems to work great here.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 14 aug. 2018 kl. 12:39 skrev 'Alex Hall' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>>> 
>>> Have you tried on a different account? If you go to System Preferences and 
>>> make a new user account, then log into it, does the problem persist?
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 14, 2018, at 01:18, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Try navigating up from the bottom of the page or searching for something 
 specific in the web page.  Also try using Google Chrome rather than Safari.
 Marshall
 
 
> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Christine Grassman  > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Could you be more specific about “navigating around the problem area”? 
>> Everything freezes, and I have to wait for a few seconds up to a couple 
>> of minutes before I hear a click and “VoiceOver on,” . . . and then if I 
>> attempt again the task I was attempting, again, and again, and again, ad 
>> nauseam.
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem 
>> area.  I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can 
>> think of is for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility 
>> every time it happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable 
>> consequences in terms of support.
>> Marshall
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman 
>>> mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
>>> utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what 
>>> web browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter 
>>> what I do, whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read 
>>> through headings or other information, busy becomes a monster and is 
>>> costing literally taking hours out of my days to complete the simplest 
>>> tasks to more involved ones.
>>> Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
>>> Genius Bar might accomplish?
>>> Christine
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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

[Jonathan Cohn]

I believe you can get some ad blockers for web pages. Doesn’t always work but 
worth when it does.

> On Aug 13, 2018, at 10:22 PM, Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> When it happened infrequently, once a day or less, it was fine, especially 
>> when little things like waiting a few seconds or toggling VO worked. Now it 
>> literally happens virtually every time I use a browser to do anything of 
>> significance.
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 10:15 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> I have noticed that a lot of this happens on web sites that insist on 
>> putting a bunch of frames of advertisements on them, on those sites, safari 
>> is worse than chrome, but yes, it is very annoying when it happens.
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 4:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem area. 
>>>  I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can think of is 
>>> for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility every time it 
>>> happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable consequences in terms 
>>> of support.
>>> Marshall
>>> 
>>> 
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 wrote:
 
 I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
 utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what 
 web browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what I 
 do, whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read through 
 headings or other information, busy becomes a monster and is costing 
 literally taking hours out of my days to complete the simplest tasks to 
 more involved ones.
 Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
 Genius Bar might accomplish?
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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

[Jonathan Cohn]

To be a little more clear, VoiceOver is a completely separate application from 
Mail, Safari, Chrome or other programs. When VoiceOver says “Mail busy” it 
means that VoiceOver has asked for something from the other program and after a 
reasonable amount of time (perhaps one half a second) VoiceOVer will tell you 
it can’t get that information right now by saying Application Name busy.

So all this is saying is that your application is not talking right to 
VoiceOver. Sometimes it is because that application is too busy sometimes it is 
because the operating system itself is too busy and not giving enough time to 
your primary application. Though Sierra  Apple made strides to give the 
frontmost application more resources.

If your memory on your computer is full, then the computer will try to push 
some of that information to the hard disk this is called swapping and 
significantly reduces performance. If there is very little space on your hard 
disk than swapping can take even longer to perform or might fail. Also web 
sites that are constantly updating with new information can cause the browser 
to go into busy mode, the web site pushes new information the browser has to 
incorporate that information into the screen that is already there and then it 
tells VoiceOver hey I have a new layout and it is even possible that VoiceOVer 
and the browser might chat a bit to get all the details of the new layout. 
Though you might have noticed in El Capitan and newer systems that if you ask 
for a list of items on the page it does not immediately say 5000 items, but 
instead waits until you type a couple of characters. This can certainly help 
with constantly updating pages but there can still be issues.

Hope all this information helps,

Jonathan Cohn 
 
> On Aug 14, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
> 
> It happens with Google Chrome as well, and it freezes completely and does not 
> allow me to do a thing, no matter what I press. It’ll say “VoiceOver off,” 
> but not “VoiceOver on,” and it will be silent for a long time, or say “busy,” 
> no matter what I press, though I can almost always get out and can do 
> something with another application. But as soon as I go back to the web, it 
> freezes until it is good and ready. Sometimes, this will happen in Mail: 
> busy, freeze, click, and “VoiceOver on”. 
> 
>> On Aug 14, 2018, at 1:18 AM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Try navigating up from the bottom of the page or searching for something 
>> specific in the web page.  Also try using Google Chrome rather than Safari.
>> Marshall
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Christine Grassman  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 Could you be more specific about “navigating around the problem area”? 
 Everything freezes, and I have to wait for a few seconds up to a couple of 
 minutes before I hear a click and “VoiceOver on,” . . . and then if I 
 attempt again the task I was attempting, again, and again, and again, ad 
 nauseam.
>>> 
 On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem 
 area.  I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can 
 think of is for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility 
 every time it happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable 
 consequences in terms of support.
 Marshall
 
 
> On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
> 
> I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
> utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what 
> web browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what 
> I do, whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read through 
> headings or other information, busy becomes a monster and is costing 
> literally taking hours out of my days to complete the simplest tasks to 
> more involved ones.
> Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
> Genius Bar might accomplish?
> Christine
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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

[Jonathan Cohn]

Some other possibilities:

1. Use the reader function of the browser (Safari cmd-shift-R).
2. Turn off JavaScript for the browser (this will be in the developer tools. 
3. Increase the memory or decrease the number of windows you have open.
4. Make sure you have enough disk space so that the computer can both swap and 
rearrange files as necessary. It used to be the rule to have twice as much swap 
space as you have memory, and to have 10% of disk free. (Though in BSD Unix, 
that 10% used to be taken care of automatically in the fact that the disk was 
full when you got to 110% full. 

I don’t believe you mentioned any of the specifications of your system. Age, 
memory size, memory used OS version these can all effect performance.

Jonathan Cohn 

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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Same area in the web category, if Live Regions is enabled, disable 
it. Long shot.


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On 8/14/2018 6:05 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:

Thank you; I do have it set to act this way already.
Christine


On Aug 14, 2018, at 7:27 AM, Anders Holmberg > wrote:


Hi!
Can this maybe help.
If you open vo utilities and go to the category web and change how 
Voiceover is handling the web.
THere is something there called navigate web pages with and here we 
have 2 radiobuttons which are dom or group by object or something like 
that.

I use a swedish version and its hard to translate but something like that.
I have mine set to dom order wich seems to work great here.
/A

14 aug. 2018 kl. 12:39 skrev 'Alex Hall' via MacVisionaries 
>:


Have you tried on a different account? If you go to System 
Preferences and make a new user account, then log into it, does the 
problem persist?


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On Aug 14, 2018, at 01:18, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


Try navigating up from the bottom of the page or searching for 
something specific in the web page.  Also try using Google Chrome 
rather than Safari.

Marshall


On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Christine Grassman 
mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com>> wrote:




Could you be more specific about “navigating around the problem 
area”? Everything freezes, and I have to wait for a few seconds up 
to a couple of minutes before I hear a click and “VoiceOver on,” . 
. . and then if I attempt again the task I was attempting, again, 
and again, and again, ad nauseam.


On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the 
problem area.  I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other 
thing I can think of is for everyone who has this issue to call 
Apple Accessibility every time it happens.  Unfortunately, this 
might have undesirable consequences in terms of support.

Marshall


On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman 
mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a 
disk utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no 
matter what web browser I use, no matter how close to my router I 
am, no matter what I do, whenever I perform searches, try to fill 
anything out, read through headings or other information, busy 
becomes a monster and is costing literally taking hours out of my 
days to complete the simplest tasks to more involved ones.
Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something 
visiting the Genius Bar might accomplish?

Christine

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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Christine,
OK this is starting to sound  like my att internet box issue!
When the busy gets that bad I Un plug the power from my ATT Box which is my 
gate way to the web.
after several minutes my att box  connection comes back up and all is well for 
a while.
I had a att tech guy tell me that att updates its software every once and a 
while about every 4 to 6 weeks here and thats why i have to reset the modem.
He said when the att box boots back up it updates its software and gets back to 
normal, until the next att update! :(
its worth a shot being as both of your browsers are acting the same!
The one thing in common is the internet box so to speak!
HTH
Chuck
"God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert Einstein’



On Aug 14, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:

> It happens with Google Chrome as well, and it freezes completely and does not 
> allow me to do a thing, no matter what I press. It’ll say “VoiceOver off,” 
> but not “VoiceOver on,” and it will be silent for a long time, or say “busy,” 
> no matter what I press, though I can almost always get out and can do 
> something with another application. But as soon as I go back to the web, it 
> freezes until it is good and ready. Sometimes, this will happen in Mail: 
> busy, freeze, click, and “VoiceOver on”. 
> 
>> On Aug 14, 2018, at 1:18 AM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Try navigating up from the bottom of the page or searching for something 
>> specific in the web page.  Also try using Google Chrome rather than Safari.
>> Marshall
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Christine Grassman  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 Could you be more specific about “navigating around the problem area”? 
 Everything freezes, and I have to wait for a few seconds up to a couple of 
 minutes before I hear a click and “VoiceOver on,” . . . and then if I 
 attempt again the task I was attempting, again, and again, and again, ad 
 nauseam.
>>> 
 On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem 
 area.  I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can 
 think of is for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility 
 every time it happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable 
 consequences in terms of support.
 Marshall
 
 
> On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
> 
> I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
> utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what 
> web browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what 
> I do, whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read through 
> headings or other information, busy becomes a monster and is costing 
> literally taking hours out of my days to complete the simplest tasks to 
> more involved ones.
> Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
> Genius Bar might accomplish?
> Christine
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It happens with Google Chrome as well, and it freezes completely and does not 
allow me to do a thing, no matter what I press. It’ll say “VoiceOver off,” but 
not “VoiceOver on,” and it will be silent for a long time, or say “busy,” no 
matter what I press, though I can almost always get out and can do something 
with another application. But as soon as I go back to the web, it freezes until 
it is good and ready. Sometimes, this will happen in Mail: busy, freeze, click, 
and “VoiceOver on”. 

> On Aug 14, 2018, at 1:18 AM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Try navigating up from the bottom of the page or searching for something 
> specific in the web page.  Also try using Google Chrome rather than Safari.
> Marshall
> 
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Christine Grassman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Could you be more specific about “navigating around the problem area”? 
>>> Everything freezes, and I have to wait for a few seconds up to a couple of 
>>> minutes before I hear a click and “VoiceOver on,” . . . and then if I 
>>> attempt again the task I was attempting, again, and again, and again, ad 
>>> nauseam.
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem area. 
>>>  I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can think of is 
>>> for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility every time it 
>>> happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable consequences in terms 
>>> of support.
>>> Marshall
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman  
 wrote:
 
 I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
 utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what 
 web browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what I 
 do, whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read through 
 headings or other information, busy becomes a monster and is costing 
 literally taking hours out of my days to complete the simplest tasks to 
 more involved ones.
 Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
 Genius Bar might accomplish?
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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

[Christine Grassman]

Thank you; I do have it set to act this way already.
Christine


> On Aug 14, 2018, at 7:27 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Can this maybe help.
> If you open vo utilities and go to the category web and change how Voiceover 
> is handling the web.
> THere is something there called navigate web pages with and here we have 2 
> radiobuttons which are dom or group by object or something like that.
> I use a swedish version and its hard to translate but something like that.
> I have mine set to dom order wich seems to work great here.
> /A
> 
>> 14 aug. 2018 kl. 12:39 skrev 'Alex Hall' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>> 
>> Have you tried on a different account? If you go to System Preferences and 
>> make a new user account, then log into it, does the problem persist?
>> 
>> --
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 14, 2018, at 01:18, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try navigating up from the bottom of the page or searching for something 
>>> specific in the web page.  Also try using Google Chrome rather than Safari.
>>> Marshall
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Christine Grassman >>> > wrote:
 
 
 
> Could you be more specific about “navigating around the problem area”? 
> Everything freezes, and I have to wait for a few seconds up to a couple 
> of minutes before I hear a click and “VoiceOver on,” . . . and then if I 
> attempt again the task I was attempting, again, and again, and again, ad 
> nauseam.
 
> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem 
> area.  I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can 
> think of is for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility 
> every time it happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable 
> consequences in terms of support.
> Marshall
> 
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman > > wrote:
>> 
>> I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
>> utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what 
>> web browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what 
>> I do, whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read 
>> through headings or other information, busy becomes a monster and is 
>> costing literally taking hours out of my days to complete the simplest 
>> tasks to more involved ones.
>> Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
>> Genius Bar might accomplish?
>> Christine
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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Can this maybe help.
If you open vo utilities and go to the category web and change how Voiceover is 
handling the web.
THere is something there called navigate web pages with and here we have 2 
radiobuttons which are dom or group by object or something like that.
I use a swedish version and its hard to translate but something like that.
I have mine set to dom order wich seems to work great here.
/A

> 14 aug. 2018 kl. 12:39 skrev 'Alex Hall' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Have you tried on a different account? If you go to System Preferences and 
> make a new user account, then log into it, does the problem persist?
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 14, 2018, at 01:18, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Try navigating up from the bottom of the page or searching for something 
>> specific in the web page.  Also try using Google Chrome rather than Safari.
>> Marshall
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Christine Grassman >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 Could you be more specific about “navigating around the problem area”? 
 Everything freezes, and I have to wait for a few seconds up to a couple of 
 minutes before I hear a click and “VoiceOver on,” . . . and then if I 
 attempt again the task I was attempting, again, and again, and again, ad 
 nauseam.
>>> 
 On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem 
 area.  I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can 
 think of is for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility 
 every time it happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable 
 consequences in terms of support.
 Marshall
 
 
> On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman  > wrote:
> 
> I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
> utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what 
> web browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what 
> I do, whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read through 
> headings or other information, busy becomes a monster and is costing 
> literally taking hours out of my days to complete the simplest tasks to 
> more involved ones.
> Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
> Genius Bar might accomplish?
> Christine
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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Have you done a reinstall of the OS?
Do you know how to do this?
/A

> 13 aug. 2018 kl. 23:49 skrev 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem area.  
> I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can think of is 
> for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility every time it 
> happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable consequences in terms of 
> support.
> Marshall
> 
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
>> utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what web 
>> browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what I do, 
>> whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read through headings 
>> or other information, busy becomes a monster and is costing literally taking 
>> hours out of my days to complete the simplest tasks to more involved ones.
>> Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
>> Genius Bar might accomplish?
>> Christine
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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

['Alex Hall' via MacVisionaries]

Have you tried on a different account? If you go to System Preferences and make 
a new user account, then log into it, does the problem persist?

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> On Aug 14, 2018, at 01:18, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Try navigating up from the bottom of the page or searching for something 
> specific in the web page.  Also try using Google Chrome rather than Safari.
> Marshall
> 
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Christine Grassman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Could you be more specific about “navigating around the problem area”? 
>>> Everything freezes, and I have to wait for a few seconds up to a couple of 
>>> minutes before I hear a click and “VoiceOver on,” . . . and then if I 
>>> attempt again the task I was attempting, again, and again, and again, ad 
>>> nauseam.
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem area. 
>>>  I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can think of is 
>>> for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility every time it 
>>> happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable consequences in terms 
>>> of support.
>>> Marshall
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman  
 wrote:
 
 I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
 utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what 
 web browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what I 
 do, whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read through 
 headings or other information, busy becomes a monster and is costing 
 literally taking hours out of my days to complete the simplest tasks to 
 more involved ones.
 Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
 Genius Bar might accomplish?
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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

['Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries]

Try navigating up from the bottom of the page or searching for something 
specific in the web page.  Also try using Google Chrome rather than Safari.
Marshall


> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Could you be more specific about “navigating around the problem area”? 
>> Everything freezes, and I have to wait for a few seconds up to a couple of 
>> minutes before I hear a click and “VoiceOver on,” . . . and then if I 
>> attempt again the task I was attempting, again, and again, and again, ad 
>> nauseam.
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem area.  
>> I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can think of is 
>> for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility every time it 
>> happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable consequences in terms 
>> of support.
>> Marshall
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
>>> utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what web 
>>> browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what I do, 
>>> whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read through 
>>> headings or other information, busy becomes a monster and is costing 
>>> literally taking hours out of my days to complete the simplest tasks to 
>>> more involved ones.
>>> Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
>>> Genius Bar might accomplish?
>>> Christine
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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

[Christine Grassman]

This helped for about ten wonderful minutes. :)


> On Aug 13, 2018, at 7:59 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> HI Christine,
> 
> Heres what  I do once in a while to clear sluggish VO movement & the "busy" 
> issue, by deleting the Caches folder.
> 
> To empty out the Caches folder on your computer, you’ll need to open up 
> Finder first. 
> 
> With Voiceover on, you can press V O D, and it should default to Finder. Then 
> press V O Space. 
> 
> Once Finder is the focused application, press V O M to get to the menu bar, 
> then V O Right until you reach the Go menu. In the Go menu, select Go To 
> Folder. 
> 
> The location is ~/Library
> 
> Once you’ve typed that in, press Return. 
> 
> In the Library folder, you can select the Caches folder and then press 
> Command Delete to move it to trash. 
> 
> I recommend restarting the computer after you do this. 
> HTH
> Chuck
> YMMV
> "God does not play dice with the universe"
> "Albert Einstein’
> 
> On Aug 13, 2018, at 7:45 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Could you be more specific about “navigating around the problem area”? 
>>> Everything freezes, and I have to wait for a few seconds up to a couple of 
>>> minutes before I hear a click and “VoiceOver on,” . . . and then if I 
>>> attempt again the task I was attempting, again, and again, and again, ad 
>>> nauseam.
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem area. 
>>>  I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can think of is 
>>> for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility every time it 
>>> happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable consequences in terms 
>>> of support.
>>> Marshall
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman >>> > wrote:
 
 I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
 utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what 
 web browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what I 
 do, whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read through 
 headings or other information, busy becomes a monster and is costing 
 literally taking hours out of my days to complete the simplest tasks to 
 more involved ones.
 Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
 Genius Bar might accomplish?
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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

[Christine Grassman]

> When it happened infrequently, once a day or less, it was fine, especially 
> when little things like waiting a few seconds or toggling VO worked. Now it 
> literally happens virtually every time I use a browser to do anything of 
> significance.

> On Aug 13, 2018, at 10:15 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> I have noticed that a lot of this happens on web sites that insist on putting 
> a bunch of frames of advertisements on them, on those sites, safari is worse 
> than chrome, but yes, it is very annoying when it happens.
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 4:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem area.  
>> I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can think of is 
>> for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility every time it 
>> happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable consequences in terms 
>> of support.
>> Marshall
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
>>> utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what web 
>>> browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what I do, 
>>> whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read through 
>>> headings or other information, busy becomes a monster and is costing 
>>> literally taking hours out of my days to complete the simplest tasks to 
>>> more involved ones.
>>> Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
>>> Genius Bar might accomplish?
>>> Christine
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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

[Mike Arrigo]

I have noticed that a lot of this happens on web sites that insist on putting a 
bunch of frames of advertisements on them, on those sites, safari is worse than 
chrome, but yes, it is very annoying when it happens.

> On Aug 13, 2018, at 4:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem area.  
> I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can think of is 
> for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility every time it 
> happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable consequences in terms of 
> support.
> Marshall
> 
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
>> utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what web 
>> browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what I do, 
>> whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read through headings 
>> or other information, busy becomes a monster and is costing literally taking 
>> hours out of my days to complete the simplest tasks to more involved ones.
>> Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
>> Genius Bar might accomplish?
>> Christine
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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

[CHUCK REICHEL]

HI Christine,

Heres what  I do once in a while to clear sluggish VO movement & the "busy" 
issue, by deleting the Caches folder.

To empty out the Caches folder on your computer, you’ll need to open up Finder 
first. 

With Voiceover on, you can press V O D, and it should default to Finder. Then 
press V O Space. 

Once Finder is the focused application, press V O M to get to the menu bar, 
then V O Right until you reach the Go menu. In the Go menu, select Go To 
Folder. 

The location is ~/Library

Once you’ve typed that in, press Return. 

In the Library folder, you can select the Caches folder and then press Command 
Delete to move it to trash. 

I recommend restarting the computer after you do this. 
HTH
Chuck
YMMV
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"Albert Einstein’

On Aug 13, 2018, at 7:45 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:

> 
> 
>> Could you be more specific about “navigating around the problem area”? 
>> Everything freezes, and I have to wait for a few seconds up to a couple of 
>> minutes before I hear a click and “VoiceOver on,” . . . and then if I 
>> attempt again the task I was attempting, again, and again, and again, ad 
>> nauseam.
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem area.  
>> I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can think of is 
>> for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility every time it 
>> happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable consequences in terms 
>> of support.
>> Marshall
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
>>> utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what web 
>>> browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what I do, 
>>> whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read through 
>>> headings or other information, busy becomes a monster and is costing 
>>> literally taking hours out of my days to complete the simplest tasks to 
>>> more involved ones.
>>> Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
>>> Genius Bar might accomplish?
>>> Christine
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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

[Christine Grassman]

> Could you be more specific about “navigating around the problem area”? 
> Everything freezes, and I have to wait for a few seconds up to a couple of 
> minutes before I hear a click and “VoiceOver on,” . . . and then if I attempt 
> again the task I was attempting, again, and again, and again, ad nauseam.

> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem area.  
> I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can think of is 
> for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility every time it 
> happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable consequences in terms of 
> support.
> Marshall
> 
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
>> utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what web 
>> browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what I do, 
>> whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read through headings 
>> or other information, busy becomes a monster and is costing literally taking 
>> hours out of my days to complete the simplest tasks to more involved ones.
>> Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
>> Genius Bar might accomplish?
>> Christine
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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

['Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries]

The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem area.  I 
realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can think of is for 
everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility every time it happens.  
Unfortunately, this might have undesirable consequences in terms of support.
Marshall


> On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman  
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> first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what web browser I 
> use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what I do, whenever I 
> perform searches, try to fill anything out, read through headings or other 
> information, busy becomes a monster and is costing literally taking hours out 
> of my days to complete the simplest tasks to more involved ones.
> Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the Genius 
> Bar might accomplish?
> Christine
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Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

[Christine Grassman]

I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk utility 
first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what web browser I 
use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what I do, whenever I 
perform searches, try to fill anything out, read through headings or other 
information, busy becomes a monster and is costing literally taking hours out 
of my days to cpmplete the simplest tasks to more involved ones.
Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the Genius 
Bar might accomplish?
Christine

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