Re: Advice needed

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Yes.  In VO settings, on both devices, there is a setting for how you want VO 
to indicate Caps.  I have mine set to use pitch, so Capital letters are spoken 
at a higher pitch.  I think the other options are play sound and speak Cap.  
That setting is under Accessibility, Voiceover, verbosity.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Aug 23, 2022, at 9:59 AM, Kerryann F. Ifill  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks donna,
> 
> I have my sound effects off so will turn them on till I get comfortable.
> But that brings me to hopefully my final issue for today (smile).
> Voiceover - neither on the iphone or ipad - announces caps.
> 
> any ideas?
> 
> Regards
> 
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 10:47 AM 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> Hi KerryAnn,
> 
> Re Quicknav, I don’t use it on the Mac, either, but it’s absolutely essential 
> for working on the iPad.  After you press the left and right arrows, you will 
> know that it’s activated because you will hear a little upward trill.  You’ll 
> hear a downward trill when you deactivate it.
> HTH,
> Donna
> 
>> On Aug 23, 2022, at 9:42 AM, Kerryann F. Ifill > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks everyone for all the suggestions; they are helping. Not quite getting 
>> everything sorted but i'm encouraged that its possible.Here are a few other 
>> issues:
>> 1. HOw can I bring up the event details in the calendar app? I can create 
>> the event, and I'm loving adding the zoom link directly. I'm adding 
>> agenda/other documents to the aevent. Issue: when I return to the app later, 
>> I can't locate the event details section. Any ideas what step i'm missing? I 
>> locate hte event in the list, I double tap, but the event details don't 
>> present themselves.
>> 
>> 2. In pages, its not so much the "genda" that was the issue. I was trying to 
>> number a list o fitems, but when I tap on formatting and so on, the 
>> numbering option delted the text not add numbering.
>> 
>> 3. I must admit I don't use quicknave much, but will incorporate going 
>> forward. the issue is though, that pressing left and right arrow 
>> simulatneously does not appear to do anything.  but will try again.
>> 
>> Thanks much
>> Regards
>> Kerryann Ifill
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Re: Advice needed

[Kerryann F. Ifill]

Thanks donna,

I have my sound effects off so will turn them on till I get comfortable.
But that brings me to hopefully my final issue for today (smile).
Voiceover - neither on the iphone or ipad - announces caps.

any ideas?

Regards

On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 10:47 AM 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries <
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hi KerryAnn,
>
> Re Quicknav, I don’t use it on the Mac, either, but it’s absolutely
> essential for working on the iPad.  After you press the left and right
> arrows, you will know that it’s activated because you will hear a little
> upward trill.  You’ll hear a downward trill when you deactivate it.
> HTH,
> Donna
>
> On Aug 23, 2022, at 9:42 AM, Kerryann F. Ifill 
> wrote:
>
>
>> Thanks everyone for all the suggestions; they are helping. Not quite
>> getting everything sorted but i'm encouraged that its possible.Here are a
>> few other issues:
>
> 1. HOw can I bring up the event details in the calendar app? I can create
> the event, and I'm loving adding the zoom link directly. I'm adding
> agenda/other documents to the aevent. Issue: when I return to the app
> later, I can't locate the event details section. Any ideas what step i'm
> missing? I locate hte event in the list, I double tap, but the event
> details don't present themselves.
>
> 2. In pages, its not so much the "genda" that was the issue. I was trying
> to number a list o fitems, but when I tap on formatting and so on, the
> numbering option delted the text not add numbering.
>
> 3. I must admit I don't use quicknave much, but will incorporate going
> forward. the issue is though, that pressing left and right arrow
> simulatneously does not appear to do anything.  but will try again.
>
> Thanks much
> Regards
> Kerryann Ifill
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Re: Advice needed

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi KerryAnn,

Re Quicknav, I don’t use it on the Mac, either, but it’s absolutely essential 
for working on the iPad.  After you press the left and right arrows, you will 
know that it’s activated because you will hear a little upward trill.  You’ll 
hear a downward trill when you deactivate it.
HTH,
Donna

> On Aug 23, 2022, at 9:42 AM, Kerryann F. Ifill  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks everyone for all the suggestions; they are helping. Not quite getting 
> everything sorted but i'm encouraged that its possible.Here are a few other 
> issues:
> 1. HOw can I bring up the event details in the calendar app? I can create the 
> event, and I'm loving adding the zoom link directly. I'm adding agenda/other 
> documents to the aevent. Issue: when I return to the app later, I can't 
> locate the event details section. Any ideas what step i'm missing? I locate 
> hte event in the list, I double tap, but the event details don't present 
> themselves.
> 
> 2. In pages, its not so much the "genda" that was the issue. I was trying to 
> number a list o fitems, but when I tap on formatting and so on, the numbering 
> option delted the text not add numbering.
> 
> 3. I must admit I don't use quicknave much, but will incorporate going 
> forward. the issue is though, that pressing left and right arrow 
> simulatneously does not appear to do anything.  but will try again.
> 
> Thanks much
> Regards
> Kerryann Ifill
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Re: Advice needed

[Kerryann F. Ifill]

>
>
> Thanks everyone for all the suggestions; they are helping. Not quite
> getting everything sorted but i'm encouraged that its possible.Here are a
> few other issues:

1. HOw can I bring up the event details in the calendar app? I can create
the event, and I'm loving adding the zoom link directly. I'm adding
agenda/other documents to the aevent. Issue: when I return to the app
later, I can't locate the event details section. Any ideas what step i'm
missing? I locate hte event in the list, I double tap, but the event
details don't present themselves.

2. In pages, its not so much the "genda" that was the issue. I was trying
to number a list o fitems, but when I tap on formatting and so on, the
numbering option delted the text not add numbering.

3. I must admit I don't use quicknave much, but will incorporate going
forward. the issue is though, that pressing left and right arrow
simulatneously does not appear to do anything.  but will try again.

Thanks much
Regards
Kerryann Ifill

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Re: Advice needed

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

No, not sure why this doesn’t work, but it doesn’t.  I press Ctrl up arrow to 
jum to the top of the scrreen, and then click the All Inboxes button.  Then 
arrow over to the message list.  Like I said, it works, but it’s less efficient.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 20, 2022, at 1:10 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> K don’t have an iPad, but I’m curious as to whether a Keyboard user could 
> use VO J to navigate through containers on an iPad? 
> 
>> On Aug 20, 2022, at 12:37, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi KerryAnn,
>> 
>> Mail is definitely one of those things that’s more efficient on the Mac.  
>> Remember that the iPad uses containers, so you’ll have one thing, for 
>> example your message list, in one, and then the currently open message in 
>> another.  Honestly, when I’m working in Mail, I often use a combination of 
>> the keyboard and just touching the screen if I want to move quickly from one 
>> container to another.
>> 
>> I hope that helps.  If you want to let us know specifically what your 
>> problems are in Mail and Pages, we can probably help you a little better.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Aug 20, 2022, at 11:51 AM, Kerryann Ifill  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi thank so much! i have a brailliant 20 and a focus 40. i also purchased 
>>> the apple smart keyboard.
>>> My chief challenge is using the mail app, mastering that is driving me up 
>>> the creek in sane. 
>>> I'll give it a further look through and thanks!
>>> Pages is another area of concern.
>>> Will keep you posted.
>>> Thanks again 
>>> 
>>> Kerryann F. Ifill 
>>> 
> On 20 Aug 2022, at 10:57 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
 Hi KerryAnn,
 
 If you are thinking your iPad will replace your Mac, I assume you’re 
 thinking you’ll use it with an external keyboard?  Here is a link to some 
 info about that:
 https://support.apple.com/guide/ipad/use-voiceover-with-an-apple-external-keyboard-ipad9a246749/ipados
 
 Keep in mind, though, that there’s a fair amount of variation among 
 different keyboards, so commands and options may vary, depending on your 
 keyboard.  If you are a braille user, I highly recommend the Mantis from 
 APH as a good qwerty keyboard/display combo.  If you prefer Perkins style 
 input, here is an AppleVis link discussing that:
 https://www.applevis.com/guides/using-braille-display-ios-introduction   
 I also think that Kliph, who is on this list, has some resources for that, 
 so hopefully he can respond to your question, too.  If none of this 
 information is what you’re looking for, you might give us more details 
 about what you are having trouble with.
 
 FWIW, I have both an iPad and a MacBook Air.  I love my iPad, and I use it 
 a lot.  But I find the Mac to be far more efficient.  I can generally get 
 things done more quickly and easily on the Mac.  Personally, and of course 
 this is subjective, if I had to choose one or the other, I’d choose the 
 Mac.
 Good luck,
 Donna
 
> On Aug 20, 2022, at 9:23 AM, Kerryann F. Ifill  
> wrote:
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> Hello all,
> 
> I've recently had to retire my mac from active service and in the interim 
> i'm trying ot decide betwee getting a new mac or an ipad.  I am currently 
> using an ipad for a few months and i'm struggling badly with a few 
> aspects.
> Does anyone know where I can find an up to date training manual/guide for 
> using th eipad with voiceover?
> 
> Thanks loads for any advice.
> 
> Regards
> Kerryann
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Re: Advice needed

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi KerryAnn,

I’m unable to duplicate these issues, at least the mail issues.  I’m typing on 
my Mantis now, and it is paired with my iPad.  Tab and Shift-Tab move through 
the message fields.  One thing to remember is that when typing in a text field, 
you need to have Quicknav on. then, when you want to move around out of that 
field, you need to turn Quicknav back off.  It’s a little bit of a hassle, but 
like I said, the iPad is less efficient than the Mac.  By that I mean that it 
takes more keystrokes to accomplish a task in many situations.  I agree that 
navigating to the send button is kind of slippy.  That’s one of those instances 
where I just reach over and tap that area of the iPad.  That will 
autoomatically move focus to that area.

I’ve never tried to create an agenda in Pages, so I can’t help you with that.
Best,
Donna


Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 22, 2022, at 9:28 AM, Kerryann F. Ifill  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> HI again,
> 
> I'll try to explain.
> 
> I have an email to send, I go to compose (this is on the ipad).
> I cannot navigate around the various areas. I can input the body, but its a 
> pain to locate the "to filed. If I get that done, editing the subject is 
> another stres. and then locating the sned button.
> I know where all these things are supposed ot be and I'm very good wiht tech, 
> but the ipad is really driving me crazy.
> In pages, I was trying to write an agenda and number the items. I listed them 
> but I cant seem to navigate by line.
> I selected all the items, but when I go to formatting, I can't get the 
> numbering to work.
> Its a series of issues like these that are not functioing in the way I expect 
> from suing ht emac and hte iphone. I had an ipad eons ago and I don't recall 
> having these kinds of issues.
> 
> Any advice?
> 
> Regards
> Kerryann Ifill 
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Re: Advice needed

[Kerryann Ifill]

the problem is that when i try that it gets stuck in one area and i can’t 
locate the necessary buttons. its frustrating to say the least.
i’m wondering. if there is some view or such setting i didn’t do correctly.

Kerryann F. Ifill

> On 22 Aug 2022, at 9:28 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> After entering text into the body, try swiping left to get back to the other 
> fields and Send button.
> 
> Later…
> 
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>>> On Aug 22, 2022, at 08:27, Kerryann F. Ifill  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> HI again,
>> 
>> I'll try to explain.
>> 
>> I have an email to send, I go to compose (this is on the ipad).
>> I cannot navigate around the various areas. I can input the body, but its a 
>> pain to locate the "to filed. If I get that done, editing the subject is 
>> another stres. and then locating the sned button.
>> I know where all these things are supposed ot be and I'm very good wiht 
>> tech, but the ipad is really driving me crazy.
>> In pages, I was trying to write an agenda and number the items. I listed 
>> them but I cant seem to navigate by line.
>> I selected all the items, but when I go to formatting, I can't get the 
>> numbering to work.
>> Its a series of issues like these that are not functioing in the way I 
>> expect from suing ht emac and hte iphone. I had an ipad eons ago and I don't 
>> recall having these kinds of issues.
>> 
>> Any advice?
>> 
>> Regards
>> Kerryann Ifill 
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Re: Advice needed

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

After entering text into the body, try swiping left to get back to the other 
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> On Aug 22, 2022, at 08:27, Kerryann F. Ifill  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> HI again,
> 
> I'll try to explain.
> 
> I have an email to send, I go to compose (this is on the ipad).
> I cannot navigate around the various areas. I can input the body, but its a 
> pain to locate the "to filed. If I get that done, editing the subject is 
> another stres. and then locating the sned button.
> I know where all these things are supposed ot be and I'm very good wiht tech, 
> but the ipad is really driving me crazy.
> In pages, I was trying to write an agenda and number the items. I listed them 
> but I cant seem to navigate by line.
> I selected all the items, but when I go to formatting, I can't get the 
> numbering to work.
> Its a series of issues like these that are not functioing in the way I expect 
> from suing ht emac and hte iphone. I had an ipad eons ago and I don't recall 
> having these kinds of issues.
> 
> Any advice?
> 
> Regards
> Kerryann Ifill 
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Re: Advice needed

[Kerryann F. Ifill]

>
>
> HI again,


I'll try to explain.

I have an email to send, I go to compose (this is on the ipad).
I cannot navigate around the various areas. I can input the body, but its a
pain to locate the "to filed. If I get that done, editing the subject is
another stres. and then locating the sned button.
I know where all these things are supposed ot be and I'm very good wiht
tech, but the ipad is really driving me crazy.
In pages, I was trying to write an agenda and number the items. I listed
them but I cant seem to navigate by line.
I selected all the items, but when I go to formatting, I can't get the
numbering to work.
Its a series of issues like these that are not functioing in the way I
expect from suing ht emac and hte iphone. I had an ipad eons ago and I
don't recall having these kinds of issues.

Any advice?

Regards
Kerryann Ifill

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Re: Advice needed

[Herbie Allen]

K don’t have an iPad, but I’m curious as to whether a Keyboard user could use 
VO J to navigate through containers on an iPad? 

> On Aug 20, 2022, at 12:37, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> Hi KerryAnn,
> 
> Mail is definitely one of those things that’s more efficient on the Mac.  
> Remember that the iPad uses containers, so you’ll have one thing, for example 
> your message list, in one, and then the currently open message in another.  
> Honestly, when I’m working in Mail, I often use a combination of the keyboard 
> and just touching the screen if I want to move quickly from one container to 
> another.
> 
> I hope that helps.  If you want to let us know specifically what your 
> problems are in Mail and Pages, we can probably help you a little better.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Aug 20, 2022, at 11:51 AM, Kerryann Ifill > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi thank so much! i have a brailliant 20 and a focus 40. i also purchased 
>> the apple smart keyboard.
>> My chief challenge is using the mail app, mastering that is driving me up 
>> the creek in sane. 
>> I'll give it a further look through and thanks!
>> Pages is another area of concern.
>> Will keep you posted.
>> Thanks again 
>> 
>> Kerryann F. Ifill 
>> 
>>> On 20 Aug 2022, at 10:57 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi KerryAnn,
>>> 
>>> If you are thinking your iPad will replace your Mac, I assume you’re 
>>> thinking you’ll use it with an external keyboard?  Here is a link to some 
>>> info about that:
>>> https://support.apple.com/guide/ipad/use-voiceover-with-an-apple-external-keyboard-ipad9a246749/ipados
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Keep in mind, though, that there’s a fair amount of variation among 
>>> different keyboards, so commands and options may vary, depending on your 
>>> keyboard.  If you are a braille user, I highly recommend the Mantis from 
>>> APH as a good qwerty keyboard/display combo.  If you prefer Perkins style 
>>> input, here is an AppleVis link discussing that:
>>> https://www.applevis.com/guides/using-braille-display-ios-introduction 
>>>    
>>> I also think that Kliph, who is on this list, has some resources for that, 
>>> so hopefully he can respond to your question, too.  If none of this 
>>> information is what you’re looking for, you might give us more details 
>>> about what you are having trouble with.
>>> 
>>> FWIW, I have both an iPad and a MacBook Air.  I love my iPad, and I use it 
>>> a lot.  But I find the Mac to be far more efficient.  I can generally get 
>>> things done more quickly and easily on the Mac.  Personally, and of course 
>>> this is subjective, if I had to choose one or the other, I’d choose the Mac.
>>> Good luck,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Aug 20, 2022, at 9:23 AM, Kerryann F. Ifill >>> > wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
 I've recently had to retire my mac from active service and in the interim 
 i'm trying ot decide betwee getting a new mac or an ipad.  I am currently 
 using an ipad for a few months and i'm struggling badly with a few aspects.
 Does anyone know where I can find an up to date training manual/guide for 
 using th eipad with voiceover?
 
 Thanks loads for any advice.
 
 Regards
 Kerryann
 
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Re: Advice needed

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi KerryAnn,

Mail is definitely one of those things that’s more efficient on the Mac.  
Remember that the iPad uses containers, so you’ll have one thing, for example 
your message list, in one, and then the currently open message in another.  
Honestly, when I’m working in Mail, I often use a combination of the keyboard 
and just touching the screen if I want to move quickly from one container to 
another.

I hope that helps.  If you want to let us know specifically what your problems 
are in Mail and Pages, we can probably help you a little better.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Aug 20, 2022, at 11:51 AM, Kerryann Ifill  wrote:
> 
> Hi thank so much! i have a brailliant 20 and a focus 40. i also purchased the 
> apple smart keyboard.
> My chief challenge is using the mail app, mastering that is driving me up the 
> creek in sane. 
> I'll give it a further look through and thanks!
> Pages is another area of concern.
> Will keep you posted.
> Thanks again 
> 
> Kerryann F. Ifill 
> 
>> On 20 Aug 2022, at 10:57 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi KerryAnn,
>> 
>> If you are thinking your iPad will replace your Mac, I assume you’re 
>> thinking you’ll use it with an external keyboard?  Here is a link to some 
>> info about that:
>> https://support.apple.com/guide/ipad/use-voiceover-with-an-apple-external-keyboard-ipad9a246749/ipados
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> Keep in mind, though, that there’s a fair amount of variation among 
>> different keyboards, so commands and options may vary, depending on your 
>> keyboard.  If you are a braille user, I highly recommend the Mantis from APH 
>> as a good qwerty keyboard/display combo.  If you prefer Perkins style input, 
>> here is an AppleVis link discussing that:
>> https://www.applevis.com/guides/using-braille-display-ios-introduction 
>>    
>> I also think that Kliph, who is on this list, has some resources for that, 
>> so hopefully he can respond to your question, too.  If none of this 
>> information is what you’re looking for, you might give us more details about 
>> what you are having trouble with.
>> 
>> FWIW, I have both an iPad and a MacBook Air.  I love my iPad, and I use it a 
>> lot.  But I find the Mac to be far more efficient.  I can generally get 
>> things done more quickly and easily on the Mac.  Personally, and of course 
>> this is subjective, if I had to choose one or the other, I’d choose the Mac.
>> Good luck,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Aug 20, 2022, at 9:23 AM, Kerryann F. Ifill >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> I've recently had to retire my mac from active service and in the interim 
>>> i'm trying ot decide betwee getting a new mac or an ipad.  I am currently 
>>> using an ipad for a few months and i'm struggling badly with a few aspects.
>>> Does anyone know where I can find an up to date training manual/guide for 
>>> using th eipad with voiceover?
>>> 
>>> Thanks loads for any advice.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Kerryann
>>> 
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Re: Advice needed

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi  Kerryann,
John, who is on this list, has a terrific site, mac for the blind, 
which has entire sections of  guides by  device and usage, including 
some for the Ipad.

Depending on your setup and IOS, you may find many treasures there.
Karen



On Sat, 20 Aug 2022, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi KerryAnn,

If you are thinking your iPad will replace your Mac, I assume you???re thinking 
you???ll use it with an external keyboard?  Here is a link to some info about 
that:
https://support.apple.com/guide/ipad/use-voiceover-with-an-apple-external-keyboard-ipad9a246749/ipados
 


Keep in mind, though, that there???s a fair amount of variation among different 
keyboards, so commands and options may vary, depending on your keyboard.  If 
you are a braille user, I highly recommend the Mantis from APH as a good qwerty 
keyboard/display combo.  If you prefer Perkins style input, here is an AppleVis 
link discussing that:
https://www.applevis.com/guides/using-braille-display-ios-introduction 

I also think that Kliph, who is on this list, has some resources for that, so 
hopefully he can respond to your question, too.  If none of this information is 
what you???re looking for, you might give us more details about what you are 
having trouble with.

FWIW, I have both an iPad and a MacBook Air.  I love my iPad, and I use it a 
lot.  But I find the Mac to be far more efficient.  I can generally get things 
done more quickly and easily on the Mac.  Personally, and of course this is 
subjective, if I had to choose one or the other, I???d choose the Mac.
Good luck,
Donna


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Hello all,

I've recently had to retire my mac from active service and in the interim i'm 
trying ot decide betwee getting a new mac or an ipad.  I am currently using an 
ipad for a few months and i'm struggling badly with a few aspects.
Does anyone know where I can find an up to date training manual/guide for using 
th eipad with voiceover?

Thanks loads for any advice.

Regards
Kerryann

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Re: Advice needed

[Kerryann Ifill]

Hi thank so much! i have a brailliant 20 and a focus 40. i also purchased the 
apple smart keyboard.
My chief challenge is using the mail app, mastering that is driving me up the 
creek in sane. 
I'll give it a further look through and thanks!
Pages is another area of concern.
Will keep you posted.
Thanks again 

Kerryann F. Ifill 

> On 20 Aug 2022, at 10:57 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi KerryAnn,
> 
> If you are thinking your iPad will replace your Mac, I assume you’re thinking 
> you’ll use it with an external keyboard?  Here is a link to some info about 
> that:
> https://support.apple.com/guide/ipad/use-voiceover-with-an-apple-external-keyboard-ipad9a246749/ipados
> 
> Keep in mind, though, that there’s a fair amount of variation among different 
> keyboards, so commands and options may vary, depending on your keyboard.  If 
> you are a braille user, I highly recommend the Mantis from APH as a good 
> qwerty keyboard/display combo.  If you prefer Perkins style input, here is an 
> AppleVis link discussing that:
> https://www.applevis.com/guides/using-braille-display-ios-introduction   
> I also think that Kliph, who is on this list, has some resources for that, so 
> hopefully he can respond to your question, too.  If none of this information 
> is what you’re looking for, you might give us more details about what you are 
> having trouble with.
> 
> FWIW, I have both an iPad and a MacBook Air.  I love my iPad, and I use it a 
> lot.  But I find the Mac to be far more efficient.  I can generally get 
> things done more quickly and easily on the Mac.  Personally, and of course 
> this is subjective, if I had to choose one or the other, I’d choose the Mac.
> Good luck,
> Donna
> 
>> On Aug 20, 2022, at 9:23 AM, Kerryann F. Ifill  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I've recently had to retire my mac from active service and in the interim 
>> i'm trying ot decide betwee getting a new mac or an ipad.  I am currently 
>> using an ipad for a few months and i'm struggling badly with a few aspects.
>> Does anyone know where I can find an up to date training manual/guide for 
>> using th eipad with voiceover?
>> 
>> Thanks loads for any advice.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Kerryann
>> 
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Re: Advice needed

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi KerryAnn,

If you are thinking your iPad will replace your Mac, I assume you’re thinking 
you’ll use it with an external keyboard?  Here is a link to some info about 
that:
https://support.apple.com/guide/ipad/use-voiceover-with-an-apple-external-keyboard-ipad9a246749/ipados
 


Keep in mind, though, that there’s a fair amount of variation among different 
keyboards, so commands and options may vary, depending on your keyboard.  If 
you are a braille user, I highly recommend the Mantis from APH as a good qwerty 
keyboard/display combo.  If you prefer Perkins style input, here is an AppleVis 
link discussing that:
https://www.applevis.com/guides/using-braille-display-ios-introduction 
   
I also think that Kliph, who is on this list, has some resources for that, so 
hopefully he can respond to your question, too.  If none of this information is 
what you’re looking for, you might give us more details about what you are 
having trouble with.

FWIW, I have both an iPad and a MacBook Air.  I love my iPad, and I use it a 
lot.  But I find the Mac to be far more efficient.  I can generally get things 
done more quickly and easily on the Mac.  Personally, and of course this is 
subjective, if I had to choose one or the other, I’d choose the Mac.
Good luck,
Donna

> On Aug 20, 2022, at 9:23 AM, Kerryann F. Ifill  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I've recently had to retire my mac from active service and in the interim i'm 
> trying ot decide betwee getting a new mac or an ipad.  I am currently using 
> an ipad for a few months and i'm struggling badly with a few aspects.
> Does anyone know where I can find an up to date training manual/guide for 
> using th eipad with voiceover?
> 
> Thanks loads for any advice.
> 
> Regards
> Kerryann
> 
> -- 
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Advice needed

[Kerryann F. Ifill]

Hello all,

I've recently had to retire my mac from active service and in the
interim i'm trying ot decide betwee getting a new mac or an ipad.  I am
currently using an ipad for a few months and i'm struggling badly with a
few aspects.
Does anyone know where I can find an up to date training manual/guide for
using th eipad with voiceover?

Thanks loads for any advice.

Regards
Kerryann

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Advice needed

[Kerryann Ifill]

Hi all:

I’m seeking some advice. I sent my Mac in for a battery replacement 2 weeks ago 
and since its return my internet connectivity seems diminished.

Someone suggested I should reset to factory defaults. Oh I forgot I’m running 
Catalina; having read the various issues on here with Big sur, I have decided 
to stay away from it.

Any suggestions?

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Re: Advice needed on creating a utility installer

[Esther]

Hi Doug,

If your utility is command-line based, but shell scriptable, you might  
be able to wrap it in an Automator workflow.  Automator lets you run  
shell scripts and AppleScripts as individual actions in the workflow.  
There may be better solutions that others can suggest, though.

Cheers,

Esther

On Jul 25, 2009, at 20:15, Doug Lee wrote:

>
> I have a utility, written in Python, that I think a number of blind
> Mac Skype users might want to use.  The problem is, it's currently
> rather complex to install:  It requires the Skype4Py module, which can
> be had from the Skype Developer Zone web site.  It's command-line
> based and so tends to require you to start the Terminal to use it.  It
> is also something I think people will want to have started
> automatically, either at boot time or when Skype is launched.  The
> utility has several features, but perhaps most interesting to most
> people here are its ability to make the Mac produce sounds indicating
> online statuses of contacts as you arrow through the contact list, and
> its provision of some shortcut commands for common tasks, like "pvm"
> to read the oldest remaining unplayed voicemail.
>
> Because of the installation complexity problem, the utility is not
> really ready for public consumption at this point.  However, I welcome
> advice on how to create an easy-to-use installation system for this
> thing.  I'm not sure if it should be a .dmg, a .pkg, or what.  I do
> want the user to have easy ways to do at least the following though:
> Install the utility, update the utility, install and update Skype4Py,
> launch the utility, arrange for auto launch of the utility, and remove
> the utility and possibly Skype4Py.  I'm wondering if a .dmg containing
> both the utility and Skype4Py would work, but I don't know how one
> makes a .dmg that just installs normally, or one whose application can
> be auto-launched.
>
> Thanks for any assistance.
>
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Advice needed on creating a utility installer

[Doug Lee]

I have a utility, written in Python, that I think a number of blind
Mac Skype users might want to use.  The problem is, it's currently
rather complex to install:  It requires the Skype4Py module, which can
be had from the Skype Developer Zone web site.  It's command-line
based and so tends to require you to start the Terminal to use it.  It
is also something I think people will want to have started
automatically, either at boot time or when Skype is launched.  The
utility has several features, but perhaps most interesting to most
people here are its ability to make the Mac produce sounds indicating
online statuses of contacts as you arrow through the contact list, and
its provision of some shortcut commands for common tasks, like "pvm"
to read the oldest remaining unplayed voicemail.

Because of the installation complexity problem, the utility is not
really ready for public consumption at this point.  However, I welcome
advice on how to create an easy-to-use installation system for this
thing.  I'm not sure if it should be a .dmg, a .pkg, or what.  I do
want the user to have easy ways to do at least the following though:
Install the utility, update the utility, install and update Skype4Py,
launch the utility, arrange for auto launch of the utility, and remove
the utility and possibly Skype4Py.  I'm wondering if a .dmg containing
both the utility and Skype4Py would work, but I don't know how one
makes a .dmg that just installs normally, or one whose application can
be auto-launched.

Thanks for any assistance.


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